How do these very long and heavy loaded bicycle trailers work? How come it didn't lean back and lift the drive bicycle up in the air?
>>1808747>what is balancing the load
>>1808747this is now a cargo bike thread
>>1808747>How come it didn't lean back and lift the drive bicycle up in the air?dude really?
>>1808747they do that if you dont load them properly
>>1808747It's attached at the rear axle or less commonly at the seat post, not behind the wheel. If something pushes down on those points the bike ain't going anywhere (seat post mount may pull the bike down when you lean into turns though, that's why rear axle mount is preferred)
>>1809539Oh wait I misunderstood the question. For lifting the bike up it's a simple case of weight distribution. Don't put the heavy shit behind the trailer axle.
>>1809403Based. Saw the thread on my phone this morning and patiently waited 9 hours at work so I could return home and start posting cargo bikes in this cargo bike thread.
>>1809653
>>1809665Is a unicycle with a trailer still a unicycle?
>>1809669That's too philosophical a question for me, but here's the same bike with just a rear wheel instead of the cargo platform. Apparently it's perfectly rideable with even the slightest bit of practice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZrQWqlWXtU
>>1809665>onionsIt's like they try to sabotage themselves. Jesus fucking christ.
>>1809682>two top tubes>three downtubes>four "seat tubes">double fork>wagon wheels>Super Strong Frame>single rod brake to stop that tank
>>1809652^_^
>>1811070What's the story with this? The rope looks shooped but the rest doesn't? What the hell is that rack? Is it really that smart to rope a huge item to yourself instead of the vehicle?
I think this the right thread to ask whats the best way to carry groceries on a bike
>>1809653nice toe overlap
>>1811093This is a full bag of shopping and 8 rolls of toilet paper on top
>>1811226It does seem like an issue. Would need an extra four inches.
my rack snapped in half picking up another bike I need a better system
>>1811070hello bent axle my old friend please dont bust off and break my ribs>>1809660based>>1809676sick. cant help but want to see one with that sort of drivetrain on the front, but on the back, with swing arm handlebars on the front engineered all in all so its 2wd. cnt think what it may be called..kinda like a transbar but with arms >>1811093the way that you like best
>>1811262bro just carry or get a trailer 0_0...im frankly baffled you thought that would hold.
>>1811266lol i still think this can work trailers are for dorks
>>1811262that happened to me, I have an old steel mtb I would like to try to build a steel rack and weld it to the frame. I think it's the best option.Do you live by selling the bikes you buy anon?
>>1811262you need a better rack
>>1809682Berliner Soja
>>1811357That's not a bad idea. I'd love to learn to weld or into framebuilding one day. Building a custom cargo bike would be really cool. >Do you live by selling the bikes you buy anon?Nah just a side thing. I make some money but i mostly do it for other reasons. >>1811446lol that pic i love loading shit ridiculously on bikes. >you need a better rackYeah. That rack, 40 year old cheap aluminium that's been through some shit. It was always on borrowed time. I have a steel Tubus rack to replace it with now, should be much stronger, I just need some p-clamps for it because the shogun doesn't have the upper bosses.
Here's the most I ever had on my trek
>>1812017>all that weight on a rear that that isn't even leveldo you hate yourself?
>>1811093on your head with arms extended of course
are axle mounted trailers better than seatpost? or am i high?
>>1812074In some ways. Actually mainly in one way, but a rather important one. Axle mount practically doesn't tug on your bike in weird directions unexpectedly. Seat post mount has the trailer tugging to the left or right or any other direction in any given moment due to the high mounting point and is really unsuited to heavyweight trailers, that's why it's practically disappeared besides on one wheel touring trailers. On the flipside axle mounts have a limited turn angle in one direction (usually to the right) and can't be used as handcarts unless you get one with that explicit feature where you can detach the bar and reattach it at a different angle, or you get one that doubles as a jogger and can be pushed from behind when the swiveling front wheel is attached. In that instance it can basically replace your shopping cart, just make sure it still fits through the cash register.
>>1812356By the way one wheel trailers with axle mounts also exist, but they practically all use a two sided attachment with a vertical swivel axis behind the wheel.
>>1812356Also axle mounts allow you to still use your rack and potentially even smaller panniers.
What's the best way to transport an adult passenger with your bike? I've been looking around a bit but it seems like rear racks are never rated for 30+ kg loads
>>1812366How large, heavy and mobile is this adult? Either way I see a relatively slim chance you'll get around a different bike. If they only have some type of impairment making it difficult for them to balance or steer their own bicycle but they're otherwise mobile and can pedal consider a tandem. Otherwise consider a sufficiently weight rated longtail cargo bike like the Tern GSD (pic related) if your passenger can sit on the rear on their own but not pedal ...
>>1812373... a pedicab/rickshaw trailer (pic related, also the only option potentially allowing you to keep your current bike) if your passenger can sit on a bench on their own ...
>>1812374... or a bike chair if your passenger is more severely disabled and needs to be strapped in well, but in this case you'd probably already be aware of the option and not ask your question.
>>1809672What the fuck is a dog going to do with tiny handlebars?>>1809682>Yo Dawg
>>1812387Help steer of course. In all seriousness these stubs may only be intended as mounting points for headlights or something.
>>1811093If you're one person, a rear rack with panniers should do.>>1811262Why didn't you just ghost ride it?>>1812022Doesn't look like a lot of weight.Probably the most I've ever had on a rear was two 30 racks, two 15lb bags of ice, and an olde Igloo Legend 72 on top.Definitely had the 'tail wagging the dog' effect.
>>1809659I want a train of these. Imagine 30 meters of cargo pulled by a single bike. Imagine the cagie seethe.
>>1812399>Why didn't you just ghost ride it?I've done that a few times. It works better on the flat and when i can take bike paths. This bike was kinda far away, with hills and traffic, plus i wasn't sure if the tires would hold air or if it'd even roll. just strapping it to a backpack woulda worked too because it's pretty light
>>1812374shit that looks awesome to carry my grandparents around
>>1811388based
>>1808747on yer bicyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIWfXkx2gU
>>1808747Towinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeuQSmcOx7Y
>>1811230These things are great 2 of those + some tensioners are enough for 99% of shopping trips
>>1819789Excellent
>>1809682>carrying wood to keep it from rolling awaythey make locking brakes where you push a button for $5. based otherwise
>>1808747Coffee Shop On Tricyclehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79gAcIYYRRY
>>1812366The Companion Bike Seat attachment, say's it will hold 200 lbs, but you also have to consider the weight limits of the bike itself. Mountain bikes are around 300lb limit.
>>1809663"dad can you take us for a ride so we can all stare at your ass in lycra for an hour?"
>>1809667imagine the absolute massacre when you crash that thing. pay attention to where you're going before you end your genetic line ya dumb broad.
>>1809662>ywn live in a world with bicycle fire fighters
>>1823690For me the limiting factor seems to be the rear wheel and tire. With half the bike's weight and 70% of the rider's weight you already have like 60 kilos on the rear, and it's difficult to find tires rates for more than 100 kilos, most are like 80 kilos, so rating wise there's only room for some groceries. Whether that's actually the practical limit or whether the tire can occasionally carry 150 kilos in reality is a different discussion.
>>1809682Is the frame aluminum or something? It seems so unnecessary.
>>1824360>It seems so unnecessary.Yes, but it also says super strong frame on it so it better be super strong.
>>1824361Looking on their site seems to suggest they use steel. I've always seen a normal steel frame as the final frontier of durability.But, fair enough, I guess.
>>1824365But steel rusts if you don't take care of it....
>>1811093I like this way
>>1812395I was guessing they're for off-bike pulling, just enough bar to steer with to park or etc
>>1813766Would probably need about 50 pounds of batteries and at least for the first two axles to be powered, but I think it could be done.
Why are these all still relying on a bicycle with a trailer? Why not a trike with a frame pivot behind the seat that allows the rider to lean into turns while keeping the load level and stable?
Traiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiler
I really want a micro tear drop trailer but I can only find one company that makes them and all the ones on the internet are DIY made.
What are some nobudget options for cargo for neet kings like myself?
>>1809653All that just to tool around Seattle and dab on other faggots buying growlers. The absolute state of hipsters.
>>1809665>large order of Onions>redesign the wheel>no bro, totally comfortable on the spine and perenial nerve>>1809667I used to have a free radical back when cargo bikes were basically conversion kits for old steel frame mountain bikes. Extended the rear wheel about 28" back. I have had four kids stacked on the back, seated just like the rider. No fucking way would I sit kids like that. There is no way for them to bail if things get shitty.
>>1828802Nah, it was actually a German industrial design student's semester project.
>>1826254>>1827863Nice
>>1808747Think I could get away with hauling a trailer carrying 100lbs (45KG) with a city bike with front and rear V-brakes? I'm a little worried the momentum of the load will overwhelm the brakes
>>1832923Good v-brake setup, yesthe question is if you want to service/upgrade your brakes. probably just some expensive softer pads would make them a lot more powerful and if the cable has friction in it replacing it is a good idea. Cleaning your brake track with soapy water then isopropyl alcohol improves brakes a lot and if your arms don't pivot smoothly, then you should remove them and clean/grease the internals. If the arms have a lot of play (a little is ok) then you should upgrade them. You might even just remove the pads, run them a along a file to get to fresh rubber, and clean everything. Especially if they're not adjusted well. It also helps to carefully lightly grease the curved washers and thread of brake pads to make adjustment easier.
>tfw no full sus longtail
>>1832923V brakes are fucking dire lad personally I would reconsider if possible. If not possible, c’est la vie, we all die one day.
>>1833008this. cantis are far superior
>>1832923iunno but what's stopping you from doing an easy trial-run just around your block or something? that's going to tell you better than anon's speculation over the internet
>>1809664But why
>>1833141I don't have a trailer yet
>>1808747Why not just buy a Rikshaw anon
>>1833028lmfao. shit bait
>>1808747>>1830876>>1834298Powered by coffee
>>1834298i kind of want a nice 3 wheel trike. I noticed the only companies who make one that isn't shit is Worksman Cycles and Sun Cycles and the worksman one is heavy AF.The sun one is $750 for the non e version. they gouge with the e version it's 2000 usd.I wish RadBikes made a cargo wagon I'd buy theirs
>>1810104just skid bro
>>1808747>>>this is now a cargo bike threadThis is now a overly critical and analytical Cargo Bike examination thread, where we ponder the question "What purpose do these serve other than to excite the buyer with creative adaptations?"I'll begin....please reply so we know what else is wrong with these designs from a rider's standpoint.>>1808747Suicide Attachment with a crappy radiator hose clamp...wheels on those axles designed to camber if in heavy loads which reduces efficiency greatly and hinders steering with awkward feeling behind you in turns....still ok for flat short rides and personal use.>>1809403Decent adaptation of a hitch with seatpost attachment, but could use a simple top plate on the hitch to hold the Heim Joint in place.....but decent adaptation with a balanced trailer that tracks with ease....front loaders are useless in the hills BTW....any loads should always be carried in the rear.>>1809652Terns are my nemesis as they attract buyers but are mostly short ride commuter vehicles. Adaptations are being created for commercial use but fall short on pacing as they are small wheeled, and require a go-go motor and battery to keep them moving.>>1809653>>1809654Eclectic Executive high class trash.....belongs in a Modern Art Museum. Did I mention the frame is Titanium?>>1809656The Urban Arrow....an elongated battery/motor driven compost bike that has no place carrying that much weight in front of you...imagine all the ladies with jogger/strollers now willing to try to compost their kids....wouldn't that be a trend to sell to Karens and Snowflakes. Don't forget to sit upright and posture yourself or it won't go as fast (backwards thinking). Also in this configuration the SuiSide Attachment is basically used to balance the excessive loads carried at that speed with the grace of a pig wallowing in mud, slow, uneven, and restrictive in its turning radius. But don't worry that front end won't turn for shit anyways so what, right?
>>1835866Continued...>>1809657Another front loader that has balance problems to begin with, as it was heralded by Wobblies from the IWW, but that's ok because adding extra weight to one side will certainly adapt that bike to make it oh so much more efficient for the rider. Did I mention the siderails and outer dropouts are sawed off just to make it appear like the trailer has protection from hitting something? Were they worried about not fitting that huge load in a small skinny bike lane?>>1809659Here we have the demand for the Carla Cargo Freight Train system. Regardless of how annoying an automatic braking mechanism is to a rider in control over their load, the price to bring that invention to market yields a mighty 4600...the most expensive trailer out there. Did I mention that it operates on a small pivotal ball hitch squeezed into a highly suspect screw down clamp with rounded couplings? Keep that spring loaded knob turned just right or else say goodbye to your trailer mid ride....lol>>1809660Obviously the advanced Compost Bike has taken off with Karens and "Community Leaders", but that high speed feel just doesn't work the same with knobby tires. Make sure to wear a helmet when you go superman with your kid strapped into the bucket. Don't they look cute together.>>1809662Not like he couldn't have just placed it on the rack tying it down so it hung over the back end, but hey the word "innovation" is pretty much defined using the most creative artistic loicense there is in order to impress your passer-by's>>1809663Joggers were once the nemesis of bike lanes, but not today, nope, this is a really fast carrier and the side attachment a guaranteed win for cyclists that have weird "aerodynamic" seat posts.>>1809664See you at Burning Man dude!>>1809665Bell Cycle? More like get ready for Bell's Palsy. No words for this dude. Hear those trailers are good for keeping you from popping a wheelie when you take off at breakneck speed.
>>1835873Continued for the Sheer Fuck Of It>>1809666Guy likes his wood. Can't say I blame him, but the need for a solid and symmetrical tie down of heavy loads is key to carrying efficient loads...Please don't fuck it up.>>1809667Too bad there is no juice box holder or lady fart deflector on this model....interesting the rear derailleur was so low? I have a subtle inner hatred for any bike with a frame mod just to accept a specific motor, as interchangeability is basically non-existent if you wanted to mid drive this model>>1809670DIY Guy has a front end that needs better design IMO...steering these is a chore and a new feel that has no true relation to the weight carried as a stable or pivotal platform to carry a load. Try one and tell me this feels fluid to you?>>1809672The side-arm lever is the key to controlling the steering on these bikes. A unique way to avoid having to use cables, which are far simpler and more utilitarian, as they can be woven through the frame pieces, hiding them from catching objects. Hit something with this bar in the way and say goodbye to your bestie ever riding with you again on one.>>1809673Again the Tern/Carla Cargo Combo is a "fantasy made into a reality" for midgets, dwarves, trolls, and hobbits. You can't expect someone to actually shell out that amount of money for an OEM Bike from China that costs about 50 bucks to make the frame, with another 50-100 bucks for the main parts, and about 250 for the battery/motor combos. The hype that you can "haul more" stops flat when there are hills to tackle regularly, so expect to keep 3 batteries on hand fully charged....its only the environment that will suffer more than you will while pedalling, don't worry about it. Nice Industrial background photo....breath deep stooge.>>1809674Once was asked "Is that brake handle work to stop the trailer?" Is it going to back up without locking up automatically is the question.
>>1835877Continued because you refuse to listen to reason or use logic when buying a "Work Bike" and instead are now composting your kids for a good laugh....haha Soilent Green anyone ?>>1809676"perfectly rideable" is a good way to say I can't begin to describe how to ride this thing.>>1809682The one somewhat sane individual on this thread.....and the holder of the heavyweight champion spoke and hub combo title as well. Parked it in front of E-scooters to seem more out of place, or "Vintage", whatever your favorite term of choice might be. Apparently the only Cargo Bike Company with a constant supply of legitimate work around is the beer bike guy. That brake is not one of my favorites as it is the only one on the trike. Nothing but heavy rolling hubs on the rear creating a difficult situation for the operator in steep downhills IMO.>>1811070Way cool rack I never saw before....nice support and angle...imagine the breathing restriction and forced seated position would be a bitch>>1811230A streamlined and weatherproof concept for larger saddlebags here....nice>>1811262Will say ?>>1811320Won't need treads on any rear trailer wheels, as efficiency is the key and traction loss with knobby tires is the worry. Pulling a trailer requires a smooth road. Offroad operation does not need traction, so cross treads are used for smooth riding on trails with little knobs on the side for sandy gravel>>1811388Do you have a license for carrying that much log?>>1811446Wants a trailer but just won't buy one to take the load off his bike. Loves to feel like a Clown at the Circus...thinks it will bring a bigger working salary if he is seen struggling >>1812017This Basket Case is a half-witted one. Why not just match the components on both sides and use the top of the rack for this metal crate? At least wearing a helmet for safety>>1812029Fixating on Fixed Geared bikes will be outdated soon as better 3-5 speed internal-one sprocket hubs are on shelves
>>1809667>chain touching the grass
>>1835882Continues no matter what they make and try to sell without consideration of the owners of their products>>1812373Finds airing out the pits more fun than showering? >>1812374Obviously amateur. Heavy As Fuck Pedicab, and knobby tires....poor guy. California Model Pedicab from way back....used to be in Hawaii till banned, and then shipped 200 to west coast and 200 to east coast buyer. Basically the only thing around for a while and was imitated a few times by smaller shops in random cities. Being my specialty, passenger models rely on balancing the weight over the axles directly so as to be able to pull the weight more easily and to control the turns. This model will push the entire load forward onto the rear axle of the bike when braking so beware if using this design without the more curved Tow Bar. Hubs here are not controlled on the outside so wheels will camber under a load. Hollow point axles will snap in two and require a solid fixed axle of a 3/8" or more with smooth slicks to maintain good pace. 20" High PSI(110lbs/in) Hookworms are the norm. Steel box on wheels is not.>>1812374Whatever those small wheels are for is an enigma. I assume that small peg under the seat means its a male bike?>>1823690Totally Idiot Proof System >>1826365Lower Sidebag Crates are apparently able to carry the momentum better. Use rear brake first please or ass-over-teakettle is the result if not careful.>>1827863Very interesting. I am guessing you were too cheap to get a Uhaul Pickup for 20.00+mileage? And this was the result.>>1833006Genius opted out of adding rear pedals and tandem chain fit up. Like it matters when you are using knobby fat tires in front and skinny in the back with an electric motor.>>1834298Runs on Curried Rice....one wheel drive. I once was paid to advance the frame of a pedicab that used a pillowblock design to house the bearings for the axles of one company's in India adding a differential I designed.
>>1835890Pic related is the new Trailer I am designing for my Work Bike Company's PortfolioI call it The Platform....legendary function and durability and efficiency is top notch for the 750+lb load it can carry.
>>1835891This retardation should not be on the road without a pin through the hitch and a solid plate of metal to rest it on. Their claim that it is "not needed" is elusive and due to their acceptance of their design as a so called faster interchangeability factor added for easy on easy off. That is exactly what can happen when moving too, as the vibrations on a bike are immense and constantly loosening other parts of accessories on the frame, so how is this more stable than a regular Heim joint on a hitch?Ridiculous price to pay when none of them will try to follow a simple engineering concept that attaches around the seatpost and rests on the strongest part of the frame, that also provides the most control over the trailer due to the pressure applied while seated in a turn. All in the name of "innovation".
A T-6 6061 Aluminum Passenger Pedicab I make for small companies to hustle around town with the quickness.
This is what a real hitch looks like from a pro-pedicabber.That hitch pulled over 750 Tons of weight in the first year on the road. Not one complaint.
Why elongate the frame of a cargo bike just to alter the frame to fit a motor?This one has so much space on the rear of the seatstay/chainstay gap between the seatpost tube and tire you could rig a massive 3000-6000W motor and just keep a standard bottom bracket on it. It would have its own secondary chain and sprocket.
The company that makes these has no idea what they are doing by allowing their seatpost hitches to be so high up on the post.Now look at that fucking 4600.00 trailer with a fucking 10 cent hitchThanks for really making a decent product guys
This is some kind of rich fuckoff's idea of tackling a problem with an even more awkward solutionDon't ask me whats under that metal covering, but my guess is the same parts on your bike, making this nothing special.Same limited drivetrains and power boosts from motors and batteries....
A Rabbi once called me to ask for a special design that incorporated my frame designs and a longer platform to carry a mobile Jewish Prayer box. No lie I thought it was a cool idea so I gave him the rock bottom price. He never got back to me as it was just an idea that he wanted to see made all over the country for his Gog and Magog's...but it would have made my company more God-Like for sure....
Some Hubs I designed and had CNC'd
This is how you upsell your product.....lol
This is how hard they try to force the concept of a Work Bike by accessorizing their normal bicycles with accesorizations.This is why they will never be able to keep up with the pace of a vehicle nor replace one throughout an entire 8 hour day.They are really not Work Bikes.
Another Truck Trike invention gone wrong....The bolt on rear end is a farce of innovation as it is made to reduce the storage space needed for them, but if you were in this as a business you would not be storing it in your NYC Flat or Midtown Townhouse, you would be using a small garage or warehouseNot to mention this is just another connection point to break
>>1835909Did I mention the 'HaHa, I have a Front Wheel Drive Trike' theory applied here was lacking any real functional innovation to call a necessary change in the design paradigm of a trike?
>>1835899Thrilled weigh a lot and you need huge batteries to be able to run those more than 5 minutes, tires have a limit
USPS is cancelling 50K jobs if this project does not go through.I mean that they are canning the jobs to afford a mass of Electric Vehicles to create savings, but that also defeats their ethics and forces them into debt financing for most of the next ten years so their replacement of those jobs lost will be very slow until they can recoop their finances to get back to that level of employment. To cope they plan to increase cost of their services, place the majority of sorting and distribution jobs on layoff, or terminate them altogether and rehire for less over time. This is the longest running self-sustaining company out there alive today, and was started by Ben Franklin himself under the ideals that Usury was a bad thing for the Federal Govt to be bound by.In two days I am having a Zoom meeting with the USPS to discuss an alternative plan to incorporate 25,000 of my Trike delivery vehicles into their fleet to save over $100M per year, save the jobs being cut, and generate monies to afford their newer Electric Vehicles out of pocket. In all, the contract proposed will cost around 300 Million for all the parts and components necessary, as well as the working models of trikes, and be a DOT Class B Pedal-Assisted Bike that can be operated by anyone that can pass their piss test.Sounds pretty much a slam dunk for me at 10K each whereas theirs will net them the loss of a century...as they are moving too fast to pay top dollar for a first generation truck with batteries that are still catching fire as well as using Oshkosh Defense vehicles for a ridiculous 6 Billion Contract.
>>1835866>>1835873>>1835877>>1835882>>1835890I was gonna just post this without reading all that text, then I thought "nah, let's give this dude a chance and actually read all his ramblings" so I did, but it turns out it's actually deserved.
>>1835910the trailer sits lower making it more stablethis enables you to stack shit in a taller pile
>>1835913No actually my neighbor has one with the same batteries and hub drive and regularly gets something insane like 30 miles with serious hills and long climbs on subtle inclines.Add two batteries on the side rack and you are golden for 50+ miles on pedal assist or a reduced throttle setting. Power controllers are the new hype that give more specific outputs of juice.>>1835935Thank You>>1835948There is no trailer on a trike photo I posted....the orange frame with front wheel drive is then connected to a set of rear motor hubs. The platform is flat yes, but that also is used to load a massive box onto. The Trike already weighs in at over 250lbs and has three motors all draining one battery. Like 2.5 hours of life according to their tests but that is something of an empty test as well, using their own version of what commercial enterprises wantThe pic I post here is one of the latest fails by a company to create a mass fleet retrofit concept for Amazon. They stockpiled 100 bikes in NYC in a huge space and had an office and were training people to ride them. Due to their intention of carrying a huge load and go slow as molasses, they were trying to fit into the space restrictions imposed on bike lanes using these trikes, so they narrowed their width but kept the box standing up higher than could be safely turned.Instead of a trike that has the capacity to operate in streets they made one that anyone could ride with no license, and featured a smaller electric assisted motor
Here's a massive loader in the front with a huge top heavy weight added with a trailer on the rearI am not keen on these front loaders but adding a retarded trailer to it then restricts every part of an already tweaked steering column and a forced upright position that restricts drive and beats on bent knees harshly.These "pilot" programs all are new so people that are riding them are dazed by the image of riding one and don't realize that this is not good for the long term damages to the body that will be incurred from riding 5 days a week, 350 days a year in a full time gig.These are fucking lame to see taking the lead and are modeled on the Bakfiet style of seat position that they adapted with motivation to "design" a new work bike, but used a very flat platform to test it all on, so they limited their use for a huge amount of the country here as we have huge hills everywhere.
>>1809667>>1809672>>1835978How does it compare to the bakfiet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQhzEnWCgHA
>>1837974https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je1ThOYD8Ic
>>1837974>How does it compare to the bakfiet?If I was getting a massage then I could say something about Bakfiet but since they posture you to use a seated and bent knee position you blow them out faster and wear even faster than that.Normal posture does not make you straighten your back like a clothing store dummy.People get into form when riding and this upright position makes the steering that much more awkward. Imagine steering a large bar over a small wheel almost 2 yards in front of you.And then design it for dead weight, but put your out of control kids in the bucket instead?Composting Kids.....great idea that only the Dutch could invent.
