Which is better?Go
It depends on what the bike is for. If you're likely to be riding across rough terrain or doing jumps sloping will be better, for everything else horizontal.
sloped = stiffer, lighter, comfier (because more exposed seatpost)horizontal = microscopic aero advantage
I personally prefer the horizontal top tube. I have a beefy all aluminium handwelded roadbike from the early 2000s from a local bike builder with a horizontal top tube and I dig it. The extra frame space allows a big bikepacking framebag.Sloping top tubes look feminine to me. But they make a lot of sense from a commercial perspective since they are unisex.
>>1802996Also, I like to use a big toptube bag, the zefal T3. On a sloping tube the teardrop shape of the bag does not come to its full potential, but on a straight tube it does
>>1802760sloped is safer for dick
>>1802760sloping but in the right way.
Horizontal is better aesthetics and looks faster. Probably has a very minor aero advantage but that area is already dirty air from the headtube and disruption from thighs Sloped allows for a more compact frame, which is lighter and less flexy, and a longer seatpost, which absorbs more vibrations and is more comfy, so objectively sloped is a design improvement.
>>1803014>>1802869Oops sorry I didn't read this post, perfect summary
>>1802869>lighterno it's not, it's exactly the opposite
>>1802760horizontal looks better. simple as
>>1802760>sloping that's for women right
>>1803047every post by that idiot who habitually ends every post in "simple as" is wrong, simple as
>>1802760The Tour de France was won lo ast year on a Colnago c64 flat top tube.The Giro d Italia last year winner and current leader is doing it on a Pinarello Dogma which has the "shitting dog" top tube.Neither winner's bike has dropped seat stays, the fashion symbol that supposedly every frame needs.
For me it's the step-thru frame.
Horizontal provides more space for bikepacking bags. In fact I think horizontal will make a comeback as bikepacking bikes.
>>1803236BASED and big dick energy
>>1803236holy shit, those welds are nasty.>>1803289>bikepacking
>>1803231>dropped seat stays
>>1803293is there anything wrong with nasty welds other than looks?
>>1803337Those welds look like standard aluminium welds. He's just a salty tranny.
>>1803236So, a women's bike.
>>1803490Yeah I have a pretty high quality 2000s all aluminium roadbike and it has welds that goes in bumps like that
>>1803490not him but i see thousands of feet of aluminum welds a daythose welds are garbagehopefully not a big deal usuallyt. knower
>>1803587thats what welds looked from companies that dont use hydrosmoothing. some companies think it makes welds weaker, idk I think it's just new tech to make them look prettier.
>>1803860Good to know,
Horizontal or gtfo. Sloping top tubes are fugly
>>1803587>high quality>00s>all aluminiumBy the mid 00s any frame of even middling quality had carbon stays, if not full carbon. Anything that was all aluminium by even 2003 is a shitter
>>1803909carbon stays were a totally retarded fad which is now a red flag on old frames Sagan rode an aluminium Allez in 2019 at the TDU
>>1803231Dogma F has dropped stays. TdF was won on a V3Rs, which is sloping and has slightly dropped stays. C64s with high geometry and flat top tube are extremely rare. Almost all of them are sloping.It's amazing how much you managed to get wrong with so little text.
>>1803909>what are CAADs
Horizontal looks betterSloped is betterI ride horizontal cause performance doesn't matter unless you compete.
>>1803584Most women don't have testicles to bash on a horizontal bar with. Most men do.
>>1803236ok aunty, enjoy your 20 kg city bike clunker
>>1803956Mid quality at best?
>>1804153I'll have you know that my step-through is 16 kg!Ngl, I'm planning on building a road bike soon enough, but the heavy step-through is a comfy upright position, and believe it or not, a lot of people seem to compliment it. They mention how omafiets are the comfiest thing they've ever ridden, and they're surprised that a step-through with MTB gearing can do some very respectable speeds.
horizontal because it can fit a bigger framebag
>>1804181I like the way State does their step-through with the Azure, or Brooklyn with the Franklin, from a style perspective. It’s a more extreme sloped bar, but it works.
>>1803918Carbon stays: such a fad that every other tube on every good road bike followed suit as soon as economically practical
>>1802760horizzzzontal. Pleases my esteticity
>>1803236damn i can't find that webm with the cool japanese guys drifting like madmen with their step-thru fixies
Horizontal with 26'' wheels and slack geometry is peak do anything go anywhere bike
>>1802760Both need to be aborted in favor of dutch style
>>1803907I fuck your assholedo you understand me
>>1806426>26" wheels>do anything go anywhere bikeNice, same
>>1806426sport tourers as a faster, more road focused equivalent, are superior
Rigid mtbs are really just the poor mans sport tourer
>>1806426i love your shit man but the fact you're a retro bike nerd and only really can into one kind of bike doesn't make any sense to me why do so many suffer from extreme same bike syndrome
>>1806426like you tried drop bars by putting them on your most mtb-focused aggressive bike with super wide knobblies it just doesn't make sense
>>1802760...just own both.
>>1806426Some day I will have a Yo Eddie...some day...>>1809554Peak bike bell right here. They sound amazing and resonate forever.