Are grass-covered tram and railways worth the extra upkeep? My understanding is that they lower the amount of noise and keep the area cooler in the summer compared to things like asphalt or concrete, but have the drawback that they need to be mowed regularly. They also look nicer than most railbeds.
>>1784670just put the lawnmower on the train
it's not this much work, all of these cities got lot's of parks and lawn anyway and equipment to take care of this
>>1784670I didn't know they reduced noise, but I guess it makes sense. I also imagine that they help with drainage, but yeah, I'd think it would be cheaper to add, maintain, and replace than brick/pavement as well as look a lot better.>>1784673This, or just have a specialized maintenance tram that runs over the lines once per week.
I always loved the St. Charles Avenue streetcar in New Orleans for the grassy tracks.
>>1784673(kids screaming as a stray animal is demeated by LawnTram5000)
>>1784677>>1784693wait a minute I have a better idea. Just install moss or some sort of lichen. They don't need to be mowed and don't need a lot of water
>>1784696how well would that absorb water?
>>1784698That's out of my wheelhouse but I think it's worth investigating
>>1784696I think it would have to be on top of some sort of more traditional foundation eg like this cobblestone
>>1784714>>1784696That would be a simple conversion for a lot of existing tramway beds, if the grass idea catches on. I think for construction on rail ties though it makes more sense to use grass/low growing flowerbeds; preferably local flora.
>>1784745>local floraBased pollinator anon
>>1784673>>1784693Don't tease me
>>1784670>but have the drawback that they need to be mowed regularly.You don't have to mow them much, the trams will keep anything trimmed
>>1784673Laughing my little ass off
>>1784670Now that I think about it, this may be the best route to getting tram systems to see mass-adoption in US cities, even expanding service into suburbs. The biggest roadblock to infrastructure projects in the US is our massive number of suburban NIMBYs that don't want to pay for what they see as "big ugly project for poor people". This solves that problem. The only thing that could overtake a NIMBY's hatred of the poor is their love of a nice lawn. By selling this as the formation of miles upon miles of well manicured lawn space in the middle of the city, which you can enjoy en route to a place where you work for a living, metropolitan areas can easily justify the expense of adding a comprehensive mass transit system to the masses.
>summer comes>grass dries up>trams stopped because of fire hazard
>>1784871>is their love of a nice lawnUhhh..... no thanks. Doesn't matter how nice the grass is.
>>1784891Stop building cities in bone dry hellscapes.
>>1784891Tram waters the grass as it goes by
>>1784922KekCheckmate, tram haters
>>1784891Just do it like >>1784922 and have a dedicated tram do a round every now and then during dry day.You could even attach a watering trailer to regular trams.
>>1784919YUCK!!! what's that?
>>1784674This is how I know you never have mowed a blade of grass
>>1784920Cities started in the fucking desert.Grass isn’t something you can have everywhere around the world, stop pushing it
https://www.google.com/search?q=tomix+n+scale+grass+tram+track&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgy7XBuIn3AhWRQc0KHcStAEgQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=414&bih=614&dpr=3#imgrc=L-pHLtlkXRPtsMIf you’re an N scale tram modeler, Tomix makes grassy track.
>>1784920that's all there's gonna be eventually, better start getting used to it
>>1784670- install mower beneath the tram- ...- profit !
>>1784970kek imagine believing this
>>1784891They'd just to a controlled burn of 1 inch grass, if only as a barrier, like they already do.
>reduce runoff>reduce noise>look amazing>reduce urban heat island effect>get to touch grass during commutemore of these please!
>>1784674Holy shit this looks hideous, it should've been slabs.
>>1788651Everything is so beautiful in this picture. Meanwhile, in California
The Eglinton Crosstown here in Toronto will have a grass strip on the surface section... sort of. Only small sections of the surface portion are being done for some reason.
Extra upkeep?In Canada and America they literally mow thousands of square kilometers of grass in the middle of nowhere, just so it keeps up with muh pedicured lawn aesthetic. Example being: On the sides or in between highways/roads, around sidewalks, in "parks", around neighbourhood outskirts and basically everywhere where grass grows that is within viewing distance. And you're worried about grass upkeep of a few long, narrow strips of track? I can tell that OP is europoor, because of his cute naivety and ignorance towards the insanity of the new world.
>>1788808The reason why we trim the grass on the sides of highways in the US (or even do controlled burns) is because hot catalytic converters or sparks thrown from the roadway can spark wildfires. I can speak for the dryer areas, like summer in California
>>1788808Hi there, OP here.I'm actually from the US. Fun fact about all the road/highway grass stuff, that's usually handled by the local county officially, and contracted out to local farmers for next to (or literally) nothing in reality. Farmers get to keep the grass clippings for silage, and may or may not get a small stipend from the local government. County and state parks really only mow an insignificant portion of the acreage of public land in their localities, because small towns/counties only have a small number of parks crews, and states have theirs spread among multiple public use land areas.But I must admit, the landscaping expenses for just good old fashioned grass aren't wild, and may even be comparable to regularly replacing pavers as they get worn out. More and more I'm not seeing downsides to grass tramways.>>1788821Keeping grass short also helps get rid of water faster, which is good for infrastructure.
>>1789341yep, almost have my BS in Civil. You don't want excessive water to destroy the road subgrade, so its important that it absorbs into the ground well.
>>1788808>In Canada and America they literally mow thousands of square kilometers of grass in the middle of nowhere, just so it keeps up with muh pedicured lawn aesthetic.They keep it mowed and maintained so it doesn't become a jungle. If you don't mow an area regularly, brush and trees will start growing there and then it's much more time consuming to clear out.>>1789341>Fun fact about all the road/highway grass stuff, that's usually handled by the local county officially, and contracted out to local farmers for next to (or literally) nothing in reality. Farmers get to keep the grass clippings for silage, and may or may not get a small stipend from the local government.LolThere's no way that is true for most of the US. It's just county work crews and contractors cutting that shit. They're not farmers baling weeds and brush that grow on highway shoulders to feed their livestock that don't eat it to begin with.
>>1789471needs more grass
>>1789441In my area, the electric companies only clear their ROWs once a decade.There's all kinds of machinery for it, and they work fast. They're also messy, and can kick out sizeable chunks of wood.But clipping the grass is more safe, looks better, and it's definitely faster when you factor in the cleanup.
>>1789657imagine one of those riding through your downtown (for this to work you have to imagine your downtown as walkable)
>>1784673Just give him a little stache.
>>1788854Where's the pantograph?
>>1789995The steam conducts the electricity down into the boiler. That's why they call it a 'steam train'.
>>1784688this is what they took from us
>>1790934They didn’t take this one yet. You can still ride the St. Charles line, in service since 1835.
>>1784948>Cities started in the fucking desert.Don't be such an idiot. Cities grew up organically where there was a nexus of fertile ground and trade routes. Where do you find those? Oh yeah, riverways.
This is beautiful, fuck cars everything should be tram.
>>1795203Cars have their place, primarily for deliveries and stuff, but we definitely need more grassy trams in the world.
>>1795232>>1795118>>1793907>>1792975>>1792099>>1791169>>1791167>>1790974>>1790394>>1789989>>1789471>>1788854>>1788751>>1788651>>1784935>>1784688I like comfy greenways. Cozy/10.
I am here to thank you, for this slow burn of grassy goodness.
>>1803982Ah, Mäkelänkatu. It's a bit rushed and noisy outside of summer, but it's well maintained. Tramline 1 has up north its turning loop after passing through the greenery-rich Käpylä suburb, full of small wooden houses. A nice route that unfortunately has quite a sparse timetable outside of peak hours.Pic related. Not grassy, but comfy.
>>1784677>just have a specialized maintenance tram that runs over the lines once per week.Prague has a maintenance tram that waters the grass, lubricates the rails, measures air pollution and has a camera so you can watch it drive through the city cool shit
>>1784688>>1788854>>1791032>>1791167>>1804032best pics itt, why are modern trams so ugly
What if we grew train seeds under the grass?
>>1804045>lubricates the railsSurely you jest.
We tried it in the capital, but alas there are many subhumans there.
>>1808209What’s with the center rail? Is that the Alstom system? Grass+conduit!
>>1808215What would happen if you put a cable between center rail and side rail?
>>1784670In my opinion yes. They should add plant growth to most things.
>>1784670I wonder if they have trams like the NY Metro cleaning trains which just have lawncare equipment attached so they can maintain the lawn without having to worry about damaging the rails
https://www.plazajapan.com/4543736017899/For N scale tram modelers, Tomix makes grassytrack
When it comes to plants, diversity is better. Use local species and varieties.
>>1784693It's a doggy dog world and the kids better get used to it early.
>>1813751This is objectively better for the environment than any EV on the market, and yet every time cities try doing real solarpunk shit, it just looks like overgrown neglect.
>>1814644That's because "overgrown neglect" is the environmentally friendly thing to do. As long as trees aren't growing and destroying the asphalt IMO it's golden
What kind of contaminants get put into the grass via tram use?
>>1806726>>1806797Makes sense with trams I guess, they run on tight corners and spend a lot of time with their flanges in contact with the rails so without lube they'd wear out fast and be noisy as fuck, something you really don't want in an urban area.
>>1784922Do you have any idea how much water grass requires
>>1808215It's fine, it'll work as intended unless flooded. And even then grass platforms are the better water drainers.>>1808376Most likely, nothing. APS rails aren't live unless fully covered by a tram (works by each individual 10-ish meters long conductor rail segment being switched on by a very short range radio signal). So assuming you'd go and short the APS rail to the rolling rail, the possible scenarios are:>driver sees wire, hits the big red stop button (which may cause death and/or injuries, due to excessive deceleration throwing a few passengers off their feet)>driver doesn't see wire. Drives over it, rail goes live.At which point it could go either way:>wire too thin: wire melts. Nobody ever realizes anything happened >wire thick enough: somewhere within a few meters to a few hundreds of meters, a big breaker trips. You just made some tramway operator's day miserable.What you actually want to do is trick the APS >>1820343 rail into thinking there's a tramway above it.>>1820343Wheel flange grease, brake dust and depending on how maintained your shit is, various amounts of gearbox oil, brake fluid or coolant
>>1823144Can this shit fail and keep rail live all the time?
>>1824342>Can shit fail?It shouldn't, but if anything worked as intended transportation accidents investigators wouldn't have a job.Keeping the rail live continuously is highly unlikely, what may reasonably happen however would be some form of coupling between the "wake up" antennas of two consecutive rail sections, leading to a rail segment going live before a tram reaches it (or after it left it). That could be due to some very specific kind of debris, poorly placed third party systems, like signaling loop antennas overlapping two APS rails typically, but Alstom is pretty anal about that and it would need gross negligence to be built as such (I do know of a few such cases but none lead to any accident so far).
>>1813751>ywn watch the tram kick down any tall plants as it glides over them.why even live (in an area that doesn't have this) bros
>>1784947Not him but at least in the tropics the only thing you have to do is mow once or twice a week. Never have to use fertilizers, water it or aerate. Sure it goes a little brown during dry season but one shower and it is noticably greener alreadyOnce you keep it at a certain level for Bermuda, zoysia, Bahia or St. Augustine and it will just take over.I am sure that if you use a naturally occurring species it would be fine without all the USA style lawn care upselling that you see on television.
>>1784688Good lord if a bed of clover covering a mass transit system isn't the comfiest combination of environmentalism and infrastructure on earth, I don't know what is.
>>1802371>a fuckin bus inclineYou truely do see something new everyday.
>>1784948No, cities started in the fertile crescent, which is defined entirely by the fact that it's NOT a desert.
>>1784670just put mowers on the front of the tram and scythes on the sides
>>1804045Mazačka is so precious. She has a fanclub, official merch and she's decorated every Christmas. All because it's a funny orange tram. Warms my heart, I love her too. I watch the livecam daily, max comfy. Too bad she's undergoing maintenance right now.
>>1784693I mean, it's not like the whole regular tram running over a dog won't be as deadly
They recently built this tram here. It's a shame it's going to take like 10 or 20 years for the trees to get a good size
rather than grass, they should plant something like ruschia nana, a succulent which covers the ground and doesn't grow beyond an inch or two. needs a fraction of the water too.
only if they grow grass with white clovers and maybe other small flowers, completely green lawns is such a waste especially when white clovers fix nitrogen and help bees
>>1836256There isn't a "one size-fits-all" solution to the beds for these. For regions where water scarcity isn't a major problem, use local flora that are assertive and beneficial to other local species. However, succulents and cacti are great for Southwestern regions of the US. or other regions where those are serious environmental concerns.
>>1836256>not perennialit's shit
>>1788651I agree with all of these except the noise part. Trams are fucking noisy in sharp turns.
>>1839229this only happens with extremely sharp turns and super old trams, but even this can be fixed with greasing
What a blessed thread
>>1839362Is there any way to have grassy trams but without this boomer obsession with perfect golf course lawns?
>>1839364you could use something other than grasslike clover, or moss