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Is there anyone in planning history with worse outcomes for the cities they've been involved in?

Her influence resulted in 3 of the most expensive cities in the world
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>>1722000
> Her influence resulted in 3 of the most expensive cities in the world
Or: that influence made highly desirable places to live
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>>1722058
>expensive means desirable
That's a shitload of cope right there.
>dude this walk-in closet costs $1500 a month and outside there's always human feces and needles but it costs so much because everyone wants to live here
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>>1722094
>Just move somewhere else then, bro. Or could it be that you... want to live here?
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>>1722094
>expensive means desirable
lol it literally does
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>>1722137
For idiots maybe
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>>1722137
applying for a loan to get that new macbook are we?
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>>1722137
No, not even with the traditional capitalistic theory of supply and demand, it just means that demand outstrips supply to become more expensive, and in most of the areas this is diluted with non-capitalism factors like licenses, fees, and taxes that make it more expensive than it already is.

If the expensive/desirable equilibrium was actually true, than I've got a $50 can of Spam to sell to you. Of course you can get it for cheaper elsewhere (not to mention better meat is less expensive), but it's more expensive, it has to be better, right?
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>>1722297
>it just means that demand outstrips supply
Wow, you were so close. What would you call it when lots people want something? p-popular? d-desirable?
Nobody is going to buy your $50 can of spam while thousands of people across the country are willing to move to New York and pay $2k a month to rent a shoebox.
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>>1722297
Why is there demand, though?
With NYC, and how many places are empty, sure they’re proved too high.
But in general, that’s not the case. In general, if stuff is selling and renting at high prices, that’s because people want to live there. Those places would be empty if they didn’t.
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>>1722094
>supply and demand
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>>1722297
Most unfit analogy I've read all month.
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>>1722000
It’s twofold. She made those cities desirable, but some (Toronto and Vancouver) have asinine zoning laws to help build new housing in really inefficient ways. NYC was unaffordable from the start of her influence, she just made sure they didn’t desecrate Manhattan. These places were saved by the lack of freeways running through their centre’s, though. Even the Gardiner in Toronto feels out of place and dated now. All three cities are simply so desirable to live in because they have the jobs from an economic standpoint and the centres were kept livable.
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>>1722000
> totally ignoring what happened before jacobsism
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an low behold Moses did part the black sea
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>>1722000
The problem with Jacobs is that she has some solutions to legitimate problems with cities and planning but it comes down often to aesthetics (which is often the core complaint of NIMBYs) and is devoid of considering the consequences of what happens when you create cities so valuable it drives up the cost where majority of the people who made places like Lower Manhattan "pleasant to live in" can't afford to live there unless they get a new job in tech or finance.
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>>1722297
>non-capitalism factors like licenses, fees, and taxes
Oh look it's one of the "it's not real capitalism!!!" retards. Go back to being a retard with the socialists and other coping wingcucks.
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>>1722000
>Roastie
>Planning a city
Ahh it makes sense.
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>>1724072
Remind me the gender of Moses, Le Corbusier, Wright and Eisenhower, nigger.
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Of course. Any DOT planner who tries to bulldoze cities and pave highways through them is an obvious dumbass wasting billions of taxpayer dollars.
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>>1722000
This retard has done more harm to cities than anyone who isn't a general.
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>>1722000
yes, Le Corbusier.

At the end the best planning to a city is the planning that based on how cities used to grow.
only in recent years it coming back to it
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>>1724855
>letting unregulated billion dollar development companies “plan” cities around squeezing every last drop of profit out of them is the same thing as a bunch of villagers congregating around a church

Ok
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>>1724857
That's not what I meant.
And cities also morph through human interactions and doing business.
It's all about balance.

My English is not good enough to explain further and I'm too tired.

Also privacy is not taken to account enough when planning cities imo
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>cities should be horrible so that they stay cheap
is kind of a terrible argument.
Just build some good and fast rail line to affordable suburbs. Simple as.
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>>1722094
>>dude this walk-in closet costs $1500 a month
Nice, where do I send my first months' rent check?
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>>1723781
I don't really know shit about what jacobs did for any of these cities in reality, but I can say for sure that a lot of what makes new york so expensive to live in is rent controls and other dumbass, counterproductive policies around housing that restrict supply to a massive degree. I assume it's a similar type of deal for Vancouver and Toronto.
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>>1723855
>Far Chicago
>??? Not realized yet
>Brasilia
Yup, we dodged a bullet
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Obvious troll is obvious
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>>1724892
You need first and last. And refundable deposit. And non-refundable deposit. Oh, you have a pet rock? You need pet rent too.
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>>1722000
What did she do?
Why was it bad?
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>>1722146
>most people
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>>1722000
cities should be the most expensive places to live. They are the center of the thompsons gazelle male territories, where the "most fit" hold. The idea that poor people or softly commies can't still have the same reasonably priced mid to small sized affordable cities in the shadow of high rise knife fight is a misnomer.
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I dont understand why people flock to overcrowded overpriced cities
My old city used to be cheap and grungy and chill now it's full of high strung yuppies, rich chinese students, and homeless insane people
I dont complain on facebook or whatever though I just fucking moved.
Seriously what's the point of staying in a place like this?
Why do rich people bring homeless street shitters wherever they go?
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>>1730071
It's where the jobs are if you're a young professional, and where the potential is if you're a young retard trying to make it in the art world instead of getting a real degree.
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>>1730071
>be <30 straight out of uni
>have STEM degree
>need job
>have $80k in student debt
>have three choices:
>a. live in rural community and make $35k/year doing IT at Bubba's First National
>b. make $80k/year living in a suburb and commuting to and from the city for 3 hours a day
>c. make $80k/year living in the city a short 20 minutes away from work
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>>1730092
>make 35k a year where you can get a house with a garage on 2 acres for 150k
>make 80k a year where you can get a condo that homeless people shit all over and still have to pay for parking g for 450k plus fees
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>>1730101
The american dream: LARPing as a medieval castle lord in your free-standing single family house only to be murdered by your HOA because your lawn was 1.7 inches over regulation length

Yeah I think I'll take my miserabel soibugman existence, at least my neighbors have the decency to leave a passive-aggressive note when they think it was my dog (I don't have a dog) that was barking all night instead of calling the SWAT team
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>>1730101
>still have to pay parking for
You've never lived in a city before lmao
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>>1730103
If you’re smart enough to get into research, there’s some stand alone housing close enough to bike to work in Missoula, for like forestry research, at around $300k-400k for a stand alone house.
The higher level research into lasers is at Bozeman, but the choice of housing there is either about $100k for a mobile house where you have to rent the land, or $1.2M for a real house. Bozeman is very desirable because of big sky skiing and those sort of high adventure things.
Montana, Colorado, Hawaii, and Southern California have some of the best biking and walking cities in the country, so I can’t suggest something too cheap to you. Northern VA has quite a lot of pedestrianable places, but is stupid expensive and the work is probably in DC, so you may have a 40 minute metro ride. NYC is famous for how much people walk to their destination, but they have both Democrat policies and the relatively desirable places to work driving the cost of living to insane amounts.
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>>1730106
If you don't pay to park in your """city""" then you're not the target audience of this thread lmao
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>>1730103
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>>1730101
>house with a garage on 2 acres for 150k
bullshit
show me a house like this that isnt crumbling or in the desert
you are paying at least $200k and even then you still likely have a long commute (read: higher maintenance and fuel costs) and make peanuts compared to working in a city, if you can even find a decent paying job at all
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>>1730101
>live the middle aged lifestyle early
>never get laid
>be a joke
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>>1730126
Damn. Owned.
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Kudos to Jane Jacobs for causing dumbasses to get butthurt several decades after her book was published
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>>1730175
Lmao fag
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>>1724068
>>non-capitalism factors like licenses, fees, and taxes
>Oh look it's one of the "it's not real capitalism!!!" retards

Licenses, fees, and taxes are anti-capitalist socialist phenomena in the context of a democracy.
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Living in the city is a nightmare for people sensible to noise and crowded place:
>upstair neighboor practicing tip tap dance at 11 pm
>close to loud street, ambulance passing during night with full sirens on. May god help you if you live close to a big hospital.
>Road stinks, dog poop everywhere. Trash is mishandled most of the time.
>restaurants close to your house will make sure you smell any ethnic food spice of choice and be sure you cant escape it.
>your outdoor activity are restricted to whatever small park you have nearby, usually unkept and full of noisy people because off course you missed having tons of people around you right?

Only good upside were:
>food delivery works, many choices. But again you do this because you hate going outside in the city in the first place.
>shorter commutes, cycling or public transport makes actual sense.
>probably you have more services close to you depending on what area you live in. But doesnt really matter with internet since most paperwork stuff can be done online nowadays.
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>>1730590
bizarre incel rant on /n/. weird
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>>1730627
He's not wrong though, go on any dating app outside of the city and it's a freakshow, there's like 5 women per 20 mile radius and the average single woman over 25 or so is a divorced grandmother with prison tattoos and a MAGA hat
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>>1730644
>women should not be people except in relation to their interactions with me
ok, let me know when you get bored of being with a 2d person
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>>1730627
at any point did I say I didn't smash in spite of all this?

>>1730657
>thinks women are people
>being a person means being a colossal POS
Pick one.
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>>1730644
Since the beginning of time, animals compete for territory for status. This all changed cause he knows some rich guy with a country home.
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>>1730711
The more you post, the more I am convince that you're the problem
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>>1730590
Well, that was a very insightful look into the mind of the average urbanist. I don’t think a lack of buses and bike lanes is the reason you’re single buddy.
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>>1730909
Im sure it looks like that from down there.

>>1730911
I have been a prisoner of suburbia all my life. Im stranded in a house that simply from a financial position, I would be an idiot to sell. I have lived for 13 years without a car 11 miles from the nearest city. There is no one more qualified to speak on these issues.
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>>1730980
Lmao this larping faggot cant even keep his story straight
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>>1730987
Show me a single contradiction, brainiac faggot.
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>>1730990
>I grew up rural
>suburban prisoner all my life
Just stfu no one cares about your fag fantasy
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>>1730995
HAHA, but everyone is enthralled with your delusions dismissal? Unlike you, my story is the most important in the history of the world. If you are so goddamn stupid you can't see how there isn't a contradiction in my story, why is your judgement worth anything?
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>>1731002
Take another shot and try it again
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Obvious troll is obvious
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>>1731005
This is what your razor wit come up with.....

>>1731006
get him
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>>1731007
Replying to nonsense drivel is a waste of wits
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>>1731008
If you cup raneth over, you wouldn't be on a budget.
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>>1731012
What?
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>>1731013
You are in a hole. Keep digging.
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>>1731013
>>1731025
Do you two want to get a room and suck each others dicks in private or are you going to keep dancing around in public?
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>>1731036
Im being painfully direct. You however...pic related.
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>>1731036
Could you make sense of what he wrote?
Or are you just here for the fag show?
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>>1722301
If new york area had the zoning laws of Houston or Atlanta it wouldn't be expensive, not that it would be a good thing to turn it into endless suburban sprawl
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>>1731046
Do you really want to be force feed my giant truth dick? Can a rural area not become a suburban one? Is that my whole issue?
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>>1731053
Oh no, the land isn't there. Manhattan is giant bedrock boat in a coastal salt marsh. LA and Chicago, its just shortsightedness. So much cheap former farm land right next door, why build up when you can build out. Everyone pays out the ass for eternity on the backend though with commutes, lost time, capital, logistics, fuel, and endless infrastructure.
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>>1731069
Yes keep eating up that fertile land goy
Food production is passe anyway
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>>1731075
If you rightoids cared about sustainability you wouldn't be raping the ogalalla aquafier like it's going to replenish itself in 2 years
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>>1731075
Some african proved you can grow all the food for one person in the size of a closet. Big farming is a scam. The 1000 mile cesar salad.

>>1731076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxqWUFyq-ZA&t=27s
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>>1731078
Yeah steak and apples and cherries and peaches are for fags anyway
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>>1731092
If it sinks an entire region 10 feet, yes. Plus self reliance and shit.
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>>1731094
You WILL eat the bugs
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>>1731101
that isnt what hes saying at fucking all. not everything has to go to extremes
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>>1731106
You WILL own nothing and you WILL be happy
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>>1731039
>>1731046
Oh you're going to keep touching each others pee-pees in public I see.
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>>1731173
You would like that
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>>1731173
The obvious thing to do is to live in absolute slavery by blindly opposing what ever fantasy you misinterpreted bout George Soros, thereby giving this meaningless stranger the honor of 1000 lifetimes. Good thing I don't speak fag.
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>>1722000
Imagine if none of North America's cities had been ruined by a freeways. Vancouver wouldn't be ridiculously expensive if Edmonton, Denver, Atlanta, etc were also "livable" and "walkable". You wouldn't have every hipster and yuppy wanting to live there if there were plenty of other nice cities to live in.
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>>1730467
kek
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>>1722000
Correlation=\=causation



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