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Pros:
- safer than any e-scooter, because large wheels (usually no less than 16")
- better bang for the buck than other PEV's
- easy storage: put it in the trunk, carry it in the train or bus, pull it in your office
- enough oomph to climb steep roads
- usually tens of miles range and 25+mph top speed
- handsfree riding, off-road OK, tail & front lights
- most of all: funny and relaxing

Cons:
- you can't figure how to ride it until you invest a few afternoons to learn
- decent ones go for 1200-1600 bucks, good ones in the 2000-2500 range, high-end ones up to 3700
- what about dragging a 50+ lbs one up the stairs?
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>>1719617
>safer than any e-scooter
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>>1719617
>- better bang for the buck than other PEV's
Really? Where are the batteries? Inside the massive wheel?
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>>1719628
This is my favorite video on the internet.
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As far as I know all these electronic versions are overpriced ass. unicycle, bike, scooted, skateboard. It's all bullshit for now and I hope the reasonably priced good batteries get invented or unjewed soon
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This seems like a troll thread but in case anyone looks at it seriously, are these unicycles, or any other sort of little electric last mile vehicles like the onewheel "skateboards" actually useful? I'm getting a job in a downtown area and am considering getting something like this since the train station is just far enough away from the office that I could save a considerable amount of time with these.
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>>1719673 Have been ridin' Z10 for 2700km with no issues whatsoever. Mostly for 16km commute through a city sidewalks and streets with slow traffic.
>onewheel "skateboards" actually useful
Segways, onewheel, gyroscooters, eskateboards, weak EUCs (with less then 1000w motor and 500wh battery) is just a toys for kids to play on a parking lot.
Get a decent EUC or else stick with a cheap escooter.
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>>1719628
>>1719654

Certainly his beer belly cushioned the crash
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>>1719651
Either on the side or on the top area. It's usually a bunch of 18650 or 21700 type cells.

>>1719654
EUC forums/groups are literally packed with crash videos. Learning by other people's mistakes - and other problems.
The fat dude experienced a cut-off (power loss / shutdown). Either he ignored overpowering/overheating alarms, or an El Cheapo chinkontroller suddenly went on strike.
Currently the only reliable brands are Kingsong and Inmotion.

>>1719703
A decent EUC sports no less than ~2000w motor (enough for accelerating uphill) and ~1000wh battery (enough to do 10-15mi when you forgot to charge the battery)
Suspension ones are pricier but definitely better on non perfectly flat roads.
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>>1719651
On sides, on top, inside (z10). All over the place.
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>>1719774
what's with those side cameras?
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>>1719673
For trips that include hoping over public transit: train, bus etc unicycles (EUC) are very viable yes.
EUC and ekickscooters are only thing worth using.
Other things have too small wheels, so any bump can became obstacle.
Also there is what to do when you can't. ride problem? (on train or inside train station or crowded pathways) Things like scateboards, or one wheel you need to carry and they are heavy, cumbersome, and you are swinging dirty wheel at the level of people's waist. Bad.
Scooters and EUC you can roll around. EUCs are best here, they have smallest footprint and they roll in assisted mode, you just guide them and they roll using their motor themselves.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IDNhdyeEl_c
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>ridiculously overpowered
>no handlebar
>feet next to each other instead of front and back
>somehow safer than escooters
right
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>>1719800
>>ridiculously overpowered
2000 watts continuous? enough for a 200 lbs rider accelerating on a steep road

>>no handlebar
that's by design, you ride it moving your center of gravity.
btw at low speeds (5mph and below) you always fall on your feet; if there was some kind of handlebar, you'd fall down.
for some reason, noone thought an "EUC with handlebar" would be commercially viable.

>>feet next to each other instead of front and back
you're talking about the area including the projected center of gravity.
a smaller area has its pro's and con's.
you can turn literally on a dime.
also, it takes way less time to shutdown and carry around than an electric kickscooter

>>somehow safer than escooters
enjoy your puny 6" wheels, bruh. watch out for the slightest irregularities of the road
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>>1719818
>for some reason, noone thought an "EUC with handlebar" would be commercially viable.
You what?
It's died, but let's appreciate ancestor.
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>>1719673
They won't save you anywhere near as much time as you think because you can't actually go much faster than foot traffic most of the time. Also time you spend not walking is exercise you have to make up some other time so it might save you nothing overall.
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>>1719839
>you can't actually go much faster than foot traffic most of the time
Fortunately that won't be an issue where I'm going. But I see your point.

>>1719792
Thanks for the insight. I didn't know that the assist mode was a feature.

>>1719703
>weak EUCs
I'm not really a heavy guy and there are absolutely no hills where I am, and I don't have to go much more than 2 miles. I don't think I really need something powerful, but then I'm speaking from a position of literally no experience with these at all.
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>>1719830
That toy sports a grand total of two wheels, dude
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu7RUqrgt-c
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>>1719860
>I don't think I really need something powerful, but then I'm speaking from a position of literally no experience with these at all.
Power is life.
But starting with small wheel with 300 watt*hours battery is absolutely ok. There are 140 watt*hours wheels but they are no go for adult, ok fro 80 lbs kid, but for heavier rider its trivial to overpower such wheel.
V5F is good starting wheel, also is fine for public transit hopping, because light and compact, make its easier to carry over ladiers or in and out into the bus.

Also there is V8F/ V8S model, most sold EUC model in the world. Lightest 16 inch wheel, 16 is big step over 14 in ride smoothness over rough roads, bumps, patches etc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDOqXHXM-qo
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>>1719789
Those are speakers
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>>1719886
>Eunuch calling other things toys
LMAO, enjoy your retarded toy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJmSHnYlaQ
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>>1719628
did he died
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>>1720020
yes. his skull was crushed. even if he wore a helmet he would have grade 3 road rash and many broken bones.
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>>1719628
He dun goofed.
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>>1719766
>decent EUC sports no less than ~2000w motor and ~1000wh battery
I could say that anything better then Inmotion V8 is an ok wheel.
>Suspension ones are pricier but definitely better
Suspension and hollow motors are a meme. Don't fall for it.
>>1719839
>you can't actually go much faster than foot traffic most of the time
One could easily cruze around peds at 20-30kph.
>>1719860
>I don't think I really need something powerful
EUC should have powerful enough motor and battery to be capable of delivering enough power to keep you upright on bumps, curbs, stairs, emergency braking. Also it should have at least 16" wheel to handle potholes and coblestone.
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Always thought these things were super lame until I found out the good ones can do 40mph. Makes me want to live in a city so I could blast around the streets at night on one. Been watching hasain or whoever on jewtube and some of the events he does with other e-fags look sweet. Just sucks they cost so much. Unfortunately I can’t justify £>2k on what would realistically be a toy for me. Seems like they’re the best form of personal transport so far though due to their tiny form factor.
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>>1720196
Blasting around the city at night on anything smaller than a car will get you crushed eventually. Most bicycle fatalities happen between midnight and 6 in the morning.
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>>1720352
Sounds like you don't live in Switzerland or Guam.

>>1720046
Yes, suspension adds complexity (another point of failure) and weight, but you will want it every time the road is slightly bumpy. And - of course - when off-roading.

Hollow motors are still in their infancy.

>>1720196
The sweet spot is around 15-20 mph.
Go faster than 25 mph and enjoy drag, air resistance, crosswind, and hope to not to hit a small bump.
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>>1719628
>im so cool bruh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcbPJhXsRaw
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Still trusting in a MEMS gyro or multiple MEMS gyros rather than the stability that comes with multiple wheels?

Interesting.
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>>1719673
e-unicycles are retardedly dangerous, as illustrated in the above video. Just buy or steal an e-scooter. perfect mix of speed and portability.
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>>1721700
>e-unicycles are retardedly dangerous
Not really any more dangerous than an eskate. Difference is the larger wheel and the slight risk of overpowering, but that's just knowing your limits.
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>>1719673
An EUC isn't really a "last mile" vehicle. They're more about eclipsing the micro-mobility market, since most come weatherproof, and with decently large batteries. They're made as transport that you can take to work, roll in with you and stash under your desk, but in a pinch call up an Uber and not be a hassle, since scooters of the same spec usually are a lot bulkier, and you can't just roll a scooter around easily like you can a wheel. They're meant to be an extension of yourself, like a cellphone.
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>>1719617
I just ordered the Begode Nikola AR+. 2700wh (roughly 40 miles at brisk pace) with a waterproof shell, 16x3 tire which is nice and stable, @100v, I feel like it's the perfect starting wheel. My only concern with the extra battery pack is the wobbles that could occur at above 35mph. I can't wait though to mog the fuck out of people. I rode an eskate for a while and would blast around 25mph pumping and carving. No stranger to falls, but I've never gotten seriously injured. I'm still debating whether I need a helmet or not. If so I'm going to get one of those downhill skateboarding helmets instead because I don't like having my field of view cut short, nor do I like big bulky helmets if I'm just gonna wear gloves and maybe shin pads.
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>>1721725
>a helmet cutting your field of view short
A literal brainlet
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>>1721732
It matters when you rely on peaking your shoulder to see what's behind you. You don't see skaters wear helmets even though they do big jumps and rails, because when you know how to fall you end up sliding or rolling. Like I said I've bailed many times doing 25+ and never had more than a scrape, but I could imagine an absolute normie needing a helmet because they have no experience or instinct on how to actually take the inevitable fall.
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>>1721736
the helmet is there for when someone crashes into you, not for when you bail yourself
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>>1721736
also a lot of skaters do wear helmets, especially the ones who do big air. and the ones who don't are edgy kids who slam their heads against the concrete nonetheless
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>>1719910
That's what I don't get, why do they all have to be riced out RGB lit nigger boomboxes? I get that they beep at you for overspeeding etc, but they don't need to be so obnoxious looking.
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>>1719617
I wish they were street legal here....
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>>1719628
High speeds, car road, not paying attention, no gear. He brought it on himself.
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>>1721744
Yes, vert skaters wear helmets, downhill long boarders wear helmets (and for good reason), but those dudes at professional street/park events you see on TV like during the olympics almost never wear helmets you're only really at risk when you fall backwards, unable to catch yourself which is rare, unless the board slips out during a slide, which is where muscle memory tends to save you.

>>1721772
They're just internals, it's not meant to look like anything. Lights and sound plays to your favor to let people see/hear you. The new v12 even has an optional wrrring sound that plays when accelerating. But all EUC's/Monowheels have front headlights and rear taillights as standard. Not all of them have speakers installed.
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>>1721725
>2700wh
That is an overkill. 1500kwh is more then enough for going places. Unless you are planning to participate in aimless group rides.
> Begode Nikola AR+
I would personally go for V11
>>1721799
>Lights and sound plays to your favor to let people see/hear you
They dont. Scared peds are unpredictable. Its better to silently pass them as fast as possible.
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>>1721736
That still doesn't explain how it cuts your field of view short
My explanation is as follows
>tiny head containing tiny brain
>helmet low enough to get in the field of view
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>>1721780 Why it should stop you? Hundreds of thousands riders are ignoring stupid legislations all over the world.
EUCs are ultimate transport of 21 century outlaws. No numberplates, could infiltrate city traffic better then motorcycles, fast, invisible to cameras, difficult to caught.
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>>1721781
Vehicle autopsy has shown that the crash happened because of a seized bearing. Even in a controlled enviroment this kind of malfunction is completely impossible to recover from, any loss of drive on a monowheel is a guranteed wipeout, and a nasty one.
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>>1719628
After a while, I thought "huh, maybe he's not actually going to wreck", but thank god, he does.
If you're going to buy a dumb toy like this, you might as well get the $750 lawnmower engine mini-bike. It's shitloads more fun and you don't like look a total faggot riding one.
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>>1721869
don't forget useless when no battery
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>>1721984 Modern EUCs have 60-80km of real world range. More then enough.
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>>1722003
not for an outlaw
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>>1721833
The V11 is with rudimentary suspension, only goes 31mph and isn't sealed. The Nikola has almost twice the battery, up to 45mph, and is sealed from water ingress. There's no reason to get the v11 when the Nikola is all around better for just a few hundred more buckaro-roos.

>>1721850
All helmets obscure your view, it's just that a motorcycle helmet does it a lot more, while being very heavy and bulky. A skateboard helmet is the opposite, but for something that goes over 30mph you need face protection also, which is why Motocross helmets or specifically downhill longboarding helmets make sense because they offer excellent vision, but even a regular skateboard helmet will protect your skill. I'm not against the use of a helmet, I'm just saying there is a tradeoff that has to be taken into consideration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9yL5usLFgY
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>>1721984
As long as you use some smartwatch to frequently check battery level, you're OK.

You know, they've got regenerative braking. I climbed a hill and got on top with only 17% battery (I wasn't sure I could, I just kept telling me "by 25% I'll turn back, by 20%... by 18%... yeeeah, I did it, 17% left!"). Then went downhill, and it charged up to ~35%; got back home, and still had 9% battery left.
(I'm using an Inmotion EUC, it has quite a conservative battery charge indication and management; for Kingsong and others it's usually recommended to be wary of battery levels below 40-50%).

>>1721916
Just like bicycles, "hurr durr get a motorbike it's cheaper and faster" is not an answer.

The whole EUC appeal is a combination of:
- small, light vehicle you can carry with you in the elevator/train/bus
- fully electric (no smell, no noise)
- handsfree riding
- way safer than an e-kickscooter
- feels like mixing longboard, surfing, skiing, snowboarding
- commuting for more than the conventional "last mile"
Being a little less safe than a conventional bike doesn't change all that.
Just remember its ideal cruising speed is around 15-20mph (that is, below the drag effect threshold).

>>1721869
A few retarded NYC riders zipping around in suicide-seeking mode will eventually get EUC's banned worldwide.

Yet:
- no numberplates (just like bicycles, skateboards, rollerblades, etc)
- could infiltrate city traffic (just like e-skateboards, e-bicycles, rollerblades, etc)
- fast (you forgot it's hard to force manufacturers to sell "slow" vehicles)
- invisible to cameras (just like rollerblading, e-skateboarding, etc)
- difficult to catch (just like rollerbladers, e-skateboarders, e-bikers, etc)

In regard to "fast", a number of manufacturers decided to compete on speed only. Packed in lots of batteries and larger wheels. Result:
- 90-100 lbs EUC's. not anymore "easy to put in the trunk/pull on the stairs/etc"
- 45-55mph EUC's
- "funnier" - aka "enabling more dangerous tricks".
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How do you guys feel safe driving these, I feel scared when going on the rentable e scooters
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>>1722165
because they're Chinese so their life is worth less than a westerner
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>>1722165
It's indeed safe because:
- self-stabilization (energy spent on micro-movements to keep it vertically balanced)
- intuitive stabilization (just like bicycles, you apply power every time you feel you're losing your balance)
- somewhat thick wheels (2.5" tires at 30-35psi)
- the rider only has to move his center of gravity (even extending an arm could suffice)
- at low speeds (say, 5mph or less) you always fall to your feet (and that doesn't happens with e-kickscooters and bicycles).
Fun fact, most riders are in their 40's and 50's.

>>1722162
Those "up to 31mph, up to 45mph" sound like "my peneor is bigger than yours".
You should go for safety considerations first.
For example:
- "will it cut-off with little or no warning?" (Begode/Gotway is quite ill-famed about it)
- "is it prone to unexpected fires?" (can you trust it to charge batteries overnight in your bedroom?)
- "am I really wishing for a high speed wheel instead of a high torque one?" (yes, the "high torque" models feature more acceleration and less speed, and you may want one if you live in a hilly place)
- "will I really need it to infiltrate city traffic and zipping like I was searching for troubles?"
- "are those +5mph worth the risk? do I really need an off-road one to do stupid tricks in front of some camera for the puny purpose of showing off on socials?"
- "am I buying some old shit instead of some brand new model from some reliable manufacturer?" (hint: the only two reliable brands are Inmotion and Kingsong, everything else comes with some big fat warning or uncharted territory flags)
- "how much do I care for my health?"
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>>1722168
>Those "up to 31mph, up to 45mph" sound like "my peneor is bigger than yours".
Nothing wrong with that. If guy is speed freak V11 is not for him. V11 is a limo of EUCs. Also I expect that learning on suspension wheel would be extremely difficult. 16 3" non suspension wheel is easiest size class to learn.
>You should go for safety considerations first.
Gotways indeed had quality control problems in the past. But Nikola model stood up from the beginning as good production quality model of gotway, current batches of Nikola show even better quality control.
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>>1722162
>There's no reason to get the v11 when the Nikola is all around better for just a few hundred more buckaro-roos.
V11 is suspension wheel... It has smoothest ride over small bumps among all EUCs, for rider who just want to chill its a good wheel (though it is maintenance intensive, it's too big and heavy to carry in the hand up ladders and it's also underpowered and under ranged for it's weight class).
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>>1721780
They aren't street legal in my country (70€ fine).
It took me months before telling myself "why should I wait?"
So I told myself I could ride until 5 fines (350€).
Btw I try to never ride in main streets. Never ride around touristic spots. No acrobatic riding, no tricks in public roads, no hassling pedestrians, bikers, car owners.
Also avoid bumpy/damaged/badly paved roads. And known trafficky roads.
Also, wisely choose riding hours:
- late Sunday morning
- weekend afternoons
- late evening (10pm and later).
I had fun for more than 2000 kilometers without problems. The 350€ savings for "dem 5 fines" is still there.
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>>1722162
>All helmets obscure your view
If you had a properly sized head they wouldn't
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>>1722164
>A few retarded NYC riders zipping around in suicide-seeking mode will eventually get EUC's banned worldwide.
I wont mind actually. Its better to keep this hobby for hardcore speedjunkies who would ride it anyway, then to let mass market, normies and goverments to ruin the whole thing.
>>1722181
>Btw I try to never ride in main streets. Never ride around touristic spots. No acrobatic riding, no tricks in public roads, no hassling pedestrians, bikers, car owners. Also avoid bumpy/damaged/badly paved roads. And known trafficky roads.
You are missing most of the fun. EUCs are meant to be ridden dangerously. Heavy wheels for high speeds on the roads, smaller ones for ripping through sidewalks.
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>>1722190
>EUCs are meant to be ridden dangerously.
people like these are why I want to carry a baseball bat when walking
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>>1722190
nice bait, mr. Butthurt
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>>1722168
>Those "up to 31mph, up to 45mph" sound like "my peneor is bigger than yours".
It sounds like that, but really if you want to cruise safely at a certain speed you need a wheel capable of of that, plus a little more so you aren't riding the edge where cutouts can happen. Also a torque-y motor is better at stopping just by the nature of the design since there's no mechanical brakes.

>>1722165
Those rental scooters are not safe, they're the cheapest scooters available on market. For a few hundred more of the actual price of one, you can buy into the Zero line. I had a zero 8 and it felt sturdy as a bike. I tried someone else's rental clone and it felt actually dangerous. No surprise scooters have gotten such a bad rep from them.
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>>1722190
>EUCs are meant to be ridden dangerously
Except the learning curve. The people you see jumping their wheels, getting air off speed bumps and riding down star sets had to practice to get to that point, unlike a scooter, bike or car, which you can hop in/on and act a fool. On an EUC you will be punished swiftly and without mercy for messing about. Basically normies need not apply.
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>>1722202
It's no easier or harder than a bicycle. It's a different skillset, but it takes about the same to be competent at both. The difference is that even if you're good with EUCs they can still fuck you over in ways bikes won't.
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My dad's into EUC and he dislocated his shoulder on it once, hurt himself pretty bad. He wears a fullface and some pads when he's on it though. He recently got one with suspension because of his knees
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most first world countries don't allow unregistered vehicles that go 25+mph
/n/ in particular is so fucking oblivious to how the world works
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>>1722535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EBs7sCOzo
are you that german guy?
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>>1722535
still not as dumb as /o/ desu
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>>1722582
if you're going to ignore the law you might as well drive/ride any random thing like a gokart or a pocket bike, why settle for an electric unicycle of all things
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>>1722535
most first world countries don't enforce such things
you'd know if you actually went outside
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>>1722602
USA isn't a first world country
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>>1722603
USA doesn't have such laws to enforce in the first place.
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>>1722590
>why settle for an electric unicycle of all things
Because all thing can't compete with EUCs.
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>>1722654
a good quality bicycle is better overall, bikes are faster than what normies think, you're not going to have a higher average speed with an EUC in real world use in a city without riding recklessly, and you don't need to wear a fucking full face helmet and padding on a bicycle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbCzWRnKCaI
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>>1722658
First. You didn't mention bicycle in your post >>1722590
>any random thing like a gokart or a pocket bike
Second, first is enough for you. Correct your post >>1722658 regarding your mistake.

Checkmate autist.
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I love my wheel. It is everything I ever wanted out of personal transportation and it makes me feel like I'm living in the version of the future that I wanted as a child. Pic is from today's commute
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>>1722715
>wooden cable poles
Is this Romania or Poland?
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>>1722718
No, just shithole Michigan. I live in poverty and suffering as you can see by our crumbling infrastructure, pls send money so I can buy V12
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>>1722722
Nice.
While i am not American i am in love with depressive American province. Dark Places and Sharp Objects are my favorite fiction books.

>pls send money so I can buy V12
Hell with V12. Gotway is da best. Or you have problems with chinks wheels supply?
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>>1722658

"which generic transportation vehicle is the best?" --> certainly not the EUC

"which generic transportation vehicle is the funniest to ride?" --> probably the EUC

E-bikes, e-kickscooters, e-cars, come without a "fun factor". E-boards, EUC's come with a "fun factor".
"Fun" does not mean "fastest" or "longest range".
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>>1722845
Monos are boring as fuck though. You just stand straight and proceed forward. Bikes, especially non-electric bikes, are way more fun.
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>>1719617
A new thread? Nice!
+1 to bump limit
ps please stay in your containment hole next time, thanks.
>>>1668230
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>>1722535
I have a 60kmph electric scooter, in a country where mopeds have to go 50kmph or lower and still need a learners license to ride. Technically its illegal and should be registered, but I normally dont go that fast anyways. Eventually regulations are gonna catch up though.
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>>1723295
Because this thread is taking away from yet another bike or train one?
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>>1719617
What happens with one of these if the asphalt you're riding on isn't fully smooth? Like if you live in a country with cold winters that freeze the ground and fuck up the pavement over time. Not talking about pot holes or sharp edges/breaks in the pavement but frequent bumps and dips and general unevenness.
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>>1724189 Its PITA. Just like cobblestone. You could easily ride slow at 10-15kph, but anything above would require quite hard work to stay on track.
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>>1724171
based jannies deleted your other troll thread
https://archive.nyafuu.org/n/thread/1722499/
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>>1724238
Somebody really likes trains
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>>1724189
There is no one definitive answer.
It all depends.
If you ride slower you an ride though larger bumps. Also there is speed when riding is possible and slower speed when its comfortable to ride for a given set of unevenness.
Larger wheels and tires ride over bumps better.
Finally there are suspension wheels King Song S18 and V11 that deal with unevenness better than non suspension wheels.
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>>1724238
kek that was my thread, I didn't realize there was already an EUC general on here. I don't post on /n/ desu

t. >>1722715
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tfw i really wanted to get one for when i go back to work in january, but for a 1.92cm tall guy and 96kg, it seems even a 1300€ model isnt enough to ride securely.
ebikes are a no go as it can easely get stolen or people can just flatten my tires (happened to me before).
so i'm gonna have to buy the same fullhard tire escooter i had a year ago, maybe drive it more gently so i dont destroy it too fast.

thats like 900€ for 1 year of commuting (maybe more if i'm nice with it this time), still better than owning a car in my country (count at least 100€ /mo for insurance and gas).
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>>1724721
>but for a 1.92cm tall guy and 96kg, it seems even a 1300€ model isnt enough to ride securely.
V8F will do fine. Just never try to push through tiltback (well this aplies to all wheels) and set up up tiltback speed conservatively (5km/h below advertised 35 km/h max speed).

Also around 1300€ there is pocket rocket MCM5 v2 800wh.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5PSExABxs





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