how would you design transportation for a city without cars?
>>1714566Everyone can just ride scooters or golf carts instead.
Cargo by highway trucks and rail is dropped off at the edge of the city and resorted like postal mail into swap bodies which then get carried through the city on various routes and craned off at local businesses and cargo bike hubs.
>>1714566what you're asking for has never been tried, OP, so it's a total mystery
>>1714589That's not the point though. The question is how can you create a non-medieval city with modern living standards without cars?
>>1714566Small city, low population
>>1714589OP was asking, how (YOU) would design transportation for a city without cars, genius
>>1714594What "modern living standards" do we have now that a) actually make people happier and b) couldn't be applied to a city with that layout?
>>1714596I think there is a density aspect, with many cities having over 1m in population. But Ancient Rome had a population of 450k, so you can still get major, car-free cities. But you’d need to be comfortable living with people, like your family. And you could not have the modern Consoom mindset of owning excessive amounts of crap you don’t use.
>>1714607> And you could not have the modern Consoom mindset of owning excessive amounts of crap you don’t use.
>>1714566Easy. Just keep everything how it is. Regular Ebikes, scooters, skates and EUC's can easily cover 80% of trips taken thanks to their range and speed, they can even keep up in traffic. When people realize they don't need a passenger vehicle to get themselves around they'll make the switch.
>>1714629I am all for bikes but you fucking faggots always forget that weather proofing and carrying groceries are one of the main reasons people will always buy cars. I don't give a shit about biking in the rain or under the sun, and I go get my groceries by foot, but snow and ice are gonna fuck your shit up on something with less than three wheels, and most people won't want to be outside when it's freezing cold outside.
>>1714661>but snow and ice are gonna fuck your shit up on something with less than three wheelsNot really.
>>1714661>Carry groceriesThe Dutch do it fine. New Yorkers do it fine on the subway. You just have to actually eat human portions and not American portions, and shop every day or two (much easier on foot, and if you’re only getting a days or two of groceries)>iceNo. Go to Fairbanks, and you’ll see plenty of people biking around in winter. It’s easy and cheap to put studded tires in your bike.
I would make sure the built environment has the density for car-free travel first and foremost.
>>1714670I'm a new yorker and I've never had any problems carrying groceries rain or shine.I literally just stop by the grocery on my way home from work a couple times a week. It's not even an issue for 80 year-olds.
Everyone on motorcycles
>>1714566I wouldn't, because planned cities are creepy and dystopian no matter if the planners have "good intentions". Pic related, there's your no-cars planned city of dreams.
>>1714596not dumping garbage and shit directly into the streets
>>1714566Such a city would be hard to properly design "without roads".Forbidding cars from a city centre and minimising the presence of cars from surrounding area is ultimately the only acceptable solution.Surface streets would almost certainly need to exist as "access" routes for the likes of municipal services such as refuse collection, delivery of supplies/food and also enabling emergency services to be able to access areas for medical emergencies, fires and when necessary, law enforcement vehicles for rapid response (but most law enforcement patrols are effective when they're done on foot or on bicycles).Access routes could otherwise serve as pedestrianised locations, and could be freely used by cafés and restaurants for on-street dining... or al fresco as rich people like to say.Extensive bike routes throughout would allow for easy riding for even the most casual of cyclist, and would also reassure many a pedestrian that some "madman cyclist" isn't going to run over them.Public transport would almost certainly need to depend on city size and overall topography. Whether the focus would be on light/heavy rail metro or a tram system, there would need to be 2 major areas to focus on:1. Any network would need to connect well into regional rail and long distance rail2. Space would be available on board to accommodate both wheelchair users as well as bicycles, enabling a passenger to be able to fill in the gaps between the station stop and final destination - naturally any wheelchair user space would have to be prioritised to those who need it most, but such space would be very useful to bring a full sized bicycle on board too.
Prohibit private cars from areas all around the metro area. Build parking decks for people to put their cars in. Expand sidewalks, plant trees and street lgihting, add bike lanes, lower car speed limits in the zones, and put in trams. Commercial vehicles have restricted access to these zones based on purpose and time. Government vehicles are also restricted in the zones. Redevelop in the zones for mixed use mid to high rise only.
>>1714689Naypyidaw is a strange city, and I think that highway was just overengineered in a country where few people actually own cars.Actual "planned cities" tend to not be too bad.I can think of three off the top of my head - Canberra, the capital of Australia, is a planned city designed about government and its needs.Brasilia, the capital of Brazil, is a planned city designed around government buildings and departments.Washington DC, the capital of the United States, is a planned city designed around the Capitol Building and various monuments.Come to think of it... planned cities seem to have a common theme - dedicated capital city focused entirely on containing the seat of government with ample amounts of room dedicated to hold the legislature, highest levels of the judiciary, various kinds of government departments and their civil servants, where applicable house the head of state and also serve as a cradle for various foreign embassies to be constructed close to each other, often close to some sort of foreign ministry.The US, Canada, Brazil, Australia, Myanmar, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Côte d'Ivoire and India all have capital cities which were built as planned cities in order to think of everything that could possibly be needed in one place, with all the infrastructure that could be needed... or so people assumed.You could argue that Washington DC, Ottowa, Ankara and New Delhi have all grown substantially and arguably organically since they were established, but... other planned cities either remain as this kind of strange government construction or they turn into the likes of Dubai - a city so full of Petrodollar investments, they failed to plan for a sewage system, and all the city's shit has to be pumped into trucks to be taken to a different city for processing.
>>1714724I can't speak to brasilia or canberra, but DC is definitely dystopian. It looks like someone sprayed agent orange on the city to prevent buildings from growing past a pre-defined height. All the streets are deliberately made unnecessarily wide to give the counterinsurgency troops a clearer line of fire for mowing down hordes of angry civilians, there's nothing actually on the streets except people rushing from point A to point B, Practically nobody there is "from" DC or plans to stay for longer than the next regime change, unless you count the very poor, and every 48 hours or so the apocalypse now helicopters buzz all the houses reminding the peons that the emperor is in a big hurry.
>>1714566I would consult the Dutch, followed by the Nordics. They're already mostly there, so just copy their homework.
>>1714729Japan does it better
>>1714736At yes Tokyo, the city that famously tore down all it's major roads.
>>1714743Such a car free utopia!
>>1714566It would be retarded to bar all cars but you could restrict car use in the city through walling it and not letting cars (except for approved uses like gas tanker/trash/utility trucks) in except at midday, where everyone is at work. Something like NYC except no cars during rush hour or the afternoon so people can chill on the streets without noise would be pretty cool
>>1714589dude my old neighborhood alone in a Canadian provincial capital sub-1,000,000pop would take up like half of that "city"
>>1714746You literally don't need a car to live in Japan. Car traffic does not impede on pedestrians or rail transit.
>>1714662Yeah we already know you're a badass who can bike at -20C temperature while wearing a t-shirt and never losing balance ever, because slippery surfaces never ever cause accidents. But admit it, most people in the world are not ready to do that. They would rather get on an AC bus, train, or car.>>1714670Well yeah, the subway is fine. But the post says "Regular Ebikes, scooters, skates and EUC's can easily cover 80% of trips taken" when that's far from true in the winter. Those are fine in summer and only if there is actual public transportation in place, but don't expect society to do without a conditioned vehicle (private or not) that easily.
>>1714849Ebikes are much less efficient below 32 degrees fahrenheit; same for all lithium ion batteries, too. I've seen fat tire ebikes that seem to travel just fine.
>>1714858Lithium batteries do fine in cold if you ride non stop. They heat up from discharge.https://youtube.com/watch?v=N0evWj9e7DcYou can't leave/ park them outldoors to freeze, that's bad.
>>1714743>>1714746Try visiting and be amazed when you witness with your own eyes that most residents of that mega metropolis don't use cars.
>>1714566Transportation of goods without cars is non completable business strategy.Transportation of passengers can be solved by banning peoples movement. Workers living pods should be located on territory of their workplace. Most efecient commuting is no commuting at all!!!
>>1714566I wouldn't. Instead I would:>make mostly self-sufficient towns instead of cities with usage specific districts that are far away from other usages which is what causes most car traffic>revert EU law that made mopeds require motorcycle licenses(before European unified driver license all adults, and teens over 14 that passed an exam, were allowed to ride them, at least here in Poland)>make all the counterlaned(one way for cars, two way for bicycles) streets bidirectional for any one or two-wheeled vehicle>finally legalize uniwheelsPunishing someone who needs a car is retarded. The sane thing to do is convincing people that they rarely need one, especially with current technology.
>>1714946>uniwheelsI agreed up to this point. You've probably never ridden one, they're a painful meme and nothing else. Just get an e-skateboard if you need something you can pick up and carry, otherwise get an e-scooter or an e-bike.
>>1714954EUC > eskateboard. It is not even a contest.There are only two compact e things worth using it's ekickscooters (for normies) and EUCs (for cool guys).
>>1714566 Put a helipad at every block?
>>1714849“I’d prefer” is an excuse, not a reason. The layered coat and snow pants are wonderful inventions, as well. Finland has a higher biking rate since they learned how to bike, even with snow and ice.If the city was designed with a pedestrian 1st, bike 2nd mindset, then most people would take it. You have to get studded tires for your car already, so it’s not weird changing tires for seasons. Or, since you don’t pay for insurance or registration per bike, you could get a fat tire with studs all year for winter. And combined still cheaper than a car.
>>1714743>>1714746>oh no there are roadsThat city alone has more population than the Netherlands and the nordic countries combined.
>>1714937This has been tried by utopian socialists, it lead to high suicide rates.
>>1715091Make suicide and its propaganda illegal.Problem solved.
>>1715106>Commits suicide>Puts corpse in jail
>>1714724Cities have been planned since early Antiquity. I do agree with the cagetroll's sentiment about DC height limits being stupid and the streets being too wide but otherwise his posts are just blathering.
>>1715648Btw, Alexander had a professional urban planner. Greeks really had a hard-on for founding cities and you can find Alexandrias as far east as afghanistan and other 'stans' in central asia, founded by veterans from the Greek army.https://www.britannica.com/biography/Dinocrates
>>1714566>how would you design transportation for a city without cars?TUUUUUUUUBES
>>1714566>Car storage on the outskirts of the city>Train from outskirts to central station>buses, light rail, subways and bike/scooter rental for the rest of the way>Would still have mixed-use roads for delivery trucks and the like
>>1715641What is this? Ahh suicide incitement and propaganda!>-500 social points>canceling social accounts>$500000 fine>5 years jail timeSo how does suicide propaganda works for you now?
>>1715660>car storage on the outskirts The city would have to regulate its surroundings so it doesn't go back to car-centrism outside the city limits. Sprawl is real dawg. It would be my dream to do this somewhere flat like Nebraska or Florida. Brick roads, no streetlights, you can see the stars at night, interspersed through every neighborhood a community park... Of course you would really have to have good residents or else it's going to go to shit really fast. Something like Arcosanti but bigger. A real new ancient city
>>1714566Boats instead of cars.
>>1715757Lake, river, bay, man made inlets, or rainwater ditches? Personally I think it's a damn shame when people build over on a natural body of water. See Mexico City. Pic related are man made islands in Xochimilco, they are used for farmland but most of the city is just ugly sprawl. Venice is also built on top of man made islands in the bay of Venice. Discovery Bay, CA on the other hand is a man made lake and it turned out pretty good, even if it is purely residential and not a city.
>>1715660Subways are a stupid idea most everywhere except in very large and very dense cities. They're ridiculously expensive and slow to build, for relatively few advantages over LRT with signal priority.The ideal transit concept is a dense network of high-capacity high-priority LRT, additional bus lines to fill the gaps, and specific heavy rail corridors mainly for suburban and regional trains with few but strategically placed stops in the city, also doubling as a faster metro for very long trips like from one end of the city to the other or to the city center. Prove me protip you can't.
>>1714566You just redesign the car to not have the problems of current cars.And rail. Lots of rail.
>>1715766>They're ridiculously expensive and slow to build, for relatively few advantages over LRT with signal priority.Moscow subway runs at 120 seconds interval average during work day and down to 40 seconds interval during peak hours. You cant replace this with LRT with signal priority, trains would be essentially blocking street traffic permanently.
>>1715773Moscow's subway is so efficiently that even straw dogs use them.
>>1715757How exactly does that improve things?
>>1715773>except in very large and very dense citiesWhich Moscow is.
>>1714566Id probably go with something resembling the streetcar suburb time period of most North American cities but seperate the streetcars from regular road traffic and give them priority at intersections. I'd even probably keep the cars around, they're nice to have if you live in a larger country and like travelling outside the city to farms or parks/nature areas. But for in city travel they wouldn't really have any benefit over any other means of transport with no free parking, narrower streets and more one ways, all with lower speed limits on non major roads. One very specific thing I'd try and do is bring back corner stores/ smaller grocers to create lots of small local CBDs in neighborhoods and/or make grocery and goods delivery a thing people actually want to use rather than needing to go out to buy what they want all the time. Oh and I guess since it snows where I live I'd work towards having a top notch road clearing system, I wonder if you could use steam or geothermal to warm the roads/sidewalks like a heated driveway on the worst days, but theres probably a reason no one does that.
>>1715789 It is a disgusting place to be in. I'd rather ride 20km on a busy streets alongside cars moving at 80kph on my EUC.
>>1714946>Punishing someone who needs a car is retarded. The sane thing to do is convincing people that they rarely need one, especially with current technology.Why can't it just be that simple
>>1714566Near major rail station is thick dense jungle people can sleep on trees
>>1714661>carrying groceriesIn a city this isn't an issue when grocery stores are laid out well. Food deserts, as they're called, cause issues in that you have to start walking really far to get to a store. Ideally each neighborhood has enough stores placed in a way that you never need to walk far. Better yet near transit so you can simply stop on the way home from work which is extremely common here in NYC. In good neighborhoods there's no need to even take transit or have to use a bike, you're 2-10 minutes away to a grocery store by walking. For big trips there's already a solution as well, the tried and true granny cart.
>>1715790You don't need to repave canals.
>>1714566... the exact same way how the Old Town and the other two central quarters operate already?
>>1714689that empty highway looks awfully ripe for some midnight club shenanigans. if only there were an easy way to get to fucking myanmar
>>1714937If I were single and the kitchen had a different design (wall on the bottom has a proper gas or induction range, make the sink bigger, add more cabinets) that place would be totally livable honestly.
>>1714661I live in an appartment building with a grocery store in the ground floor. I carry my groceries with an elevator. I don't even need to go outside.
Dense housing, loads of protected bike lanes, lots of at-grade rail.Without cars in the way you don’t even need to dig a subway until you get super dense.
>>1714566Prolly just a shit ton of light rail and give everything neo renaissance flair because trams are adorable
>>1714792>>1714935It's true that living without a car in tokyo is completely possible, and depending on where you live and work a bike isn't even necessary, but the actual difficult to solve problem isn't passenger traffic, it's commercial and utility traffic. moving physical stuff around to each individual location that is required over distances both long and short is very difficult to accomplish efficiently without trucks.Of course, OP's question was technically "without *cars*" so I guess if you think that truck traffic is totally fine then the answer to the question is "high density mixed zoning with an extensive subway network."
>>1714589>Primo city center space reserved for a churchWhat a waste
>>1714566elevated bike lanes everywhere
>>1714566>classic grid layout with 1-3 lane roads>no stupid speed limits, 60-100kph are perfectly fine>no bike lanes, bikes and other slow things should ride on sidewalks at 20-30kph>to ride on a road, your vehicle must be capable on maintaining speed limit (proper ebikes and EUCs are welcome here)>zero parking space for cars and bicycles>all unattended bicycles are legally considered abandoned property>expensive licenses for taxis and business vehicles to cover road maintenance>private bus system>no rail and other transport monopolies
>>1714566You don't because it isn't the middle ages, they shouldn't bend to a bunch of incel luddites who don't know how to drive.
>>1714566>how would you design transportation for a city without cars?a gigantic arcology, but the upper levels are wholly inaccessible to poor people.
>>1715895>The sane thing to do is convincing people that they rarely need one, especially with current technology.I'm not the type that I'd say "TRAINS ARE 100+ YEAR TECHNOLOGY" as a dismissal to rail-based transit, but one thing that I've never heard train advocates talk about is the transfer/last mile problem. It doesn't matter how nice the trains are, how nice the stations are, how zippy it is, and even if you eliminate the undesirables from it, there's no solution for the fact that you have to wait for trains and figure out how to solve the "last mile" problem.These two problems make transit in reality much more time-consuming (if not at least equal) to car based transit. The private automobile is currently the ONLY option that solves both long-distance travel and the last mile problem.
>>1715765it be cool If the were to restore the canals
>>1720541>>1720649now post your car
>>1714566 Build a huge commiblock around passanger/cargo train station. With basic cheap grocery, bar, school, clinic and police. Lots of police to guard free people from the occupants of this shithole.
>>1714566You do not. Try it in SimCity first, you will fail and go bankrupt.
>>1714582>Everyone can just ride scooters or golf carts instead.please, id rather get struck by a low acceleration, 500lb vehicle than a brodozer or 5000lb eCar
>>1714566>for a cityNo city. A small town with a maximum population of 1500-2000 people. Nobody needs cars anymore.
>>1720649Ah Metropolis! Nice! Try to make the lower-levels flood-proof though!
how am i gonna haul my boat to the lake each weekend?i am a hard working blue collar american, i need to haul my boat to the lake each weekend, you will not infringe upon my rights.your move, libtard
>>1722024why aren't you just leaving it at the marina? that's what my parents do with their yacht
>>1722024not my problem
>>1720338yeah should have been a whorehouse or a cockfighting ring. What would your city centerpiece be? I would go for a massively oversized nascar ring where coalrolling is mandatory.
Suburbs are already designed like car-free cities, because nobody wants traffic by their backyard. Propose through traffic to a suburbanite and you will have war declared on cars instantly.They just don’t go all the way and prefer to generate traffic for car-dependent areas nearby.
>>1722246Suburbs are the most car dependent though. With the winding roads and curses as (without so much as a bike path to connect them), and large fences blocking everywhere, you get areas where going to your back door neighbor’s house could take 25 miles.Instead, look towards military bases. Ft Richardson, AK being a good one. They design the steers for morning PT for the soldiers, bus as a consequence they become very traversable by walking and bikes. You have suburban-like living, with frequent parks and playgrounds for dependents, and the limited space makes the shops, churches, schools, and places of work very close together.As an army brat, I was able to ride my bike for k-6 school, could go to the YMCA by myself, and could go to the playground by myself to meet up with the community children. It was great. Weirded me out that most kids in America don’t do this after moving off-base.
>>1714708Your points are all valid when it comes to restructuring existing cities to operate without cars, but I think OP's question allows us to think a little more out of the box. We have the opportunity to design this city completely from scratch. Things like municipal services don't have to operate using vehicles in our hypothetical city. For example, take refuse collection. Bin lorries became the norm because they are the simplest tool for the job given the environment they are operating in - cities designed for vehicles. If we remove the constraints of preexisting infrastructure we can think of a new "simplest tool". I think that's a more interesting exercise than simply shutting down the thread. How about a subterranean, pneumatic trash collection system? A series of tubes that connect residential structures and carry garbage to a central processing centre?
>>1714937This is how 90% of 20-30 yos live. If not in one room apartments, then in flat shares where they only have access to their bedroom and a communal kitchen. It works just fine.
>>1720338Wanna bet the church was there before the city?
>>1722261I’d imagine the first building was the monastery, which had a road go to it. With the road there, the bridge would be built to cross the river and go to towns beyond, which would make the location popular with traders (plus “next to the monastery” is a good direction to give). After that, you’d get the city with a small church building. The cathedral would be built after more expansion, and would become the town center since everyone in town needs to go to church. That’s what makes sense to me as a historic town development.
>>1714753sounds like a zoning density issue
Spacious sidewalks, protected bike lanes, street-level light rail. Make sure you’ve got enough trees along the sidewalk to keep things cool. Mixed use development and multi story housing throughout.
>>1714661Whatever you say, fatty. Go get in your cagie so you can load up on processed sugar and fat
>>1714743>>1714746All highways in Japan are tolled and it costs ~$100 to drive from Tokyo to Osaka.
>>1714689>Walking in the middle of a highway without cagiesKino
The problem is the modern city has become obsolete in the west because of two things deindustralization and the internet. What's a city function other than concentrated poverty and crime? Pave the city. Created megaburbs with large green zones. Larger multifamily homes. Neighborhoods conected by light rail perhaps mono rail above the roadway. Shipping by heavy rail. Retail zone (mega malls) located adjacent as would a research and manufacturing zone. Rural farms zones would be on outskirts. High speed trains connecting these communties. Education zone all the schools, museums, libraries. Neighborhoods would be pedestrian friendly and roads would be mainly for shipping goods and emergency services. It would be a much different concept than a traditional American city.
>>1723134>What's a city function other than concentrated poverty and crime?amerifat/10 statement
>>1722037>not my problemwell its the problem of many americans who will vote against putting everyone in pods and pacifying traffic
>>1722024>how am i gonna haul my boat to the lake each weekend?Holy shit, americans are really the dumbest people in the world.
>>1723227>many americans who will vote againstAmericans are socially engineered cattle without any real power.
>>1722024this but unironically
okay, for realz though. am i going to have to pay some jewpriced rental carshare thing to move a free or $50 couch from my moms suburb to my pod in the city?>what about wanting to haul a kayak to nature. or if i wanna haul a bbq grill and cooler to the park? i do that kinda shit often so i can have a cheap meal with the buddies when we are out. now i have to pay $70 delivery (each way) to cook $25 woth of meat at the park?i use the bed of my shitty little truck all the time.now we will have to pay some corporation to take our scrap metal and old furniture becuase we will no longer be able to curb it or free-pile it cause no one will have a vehicle to pick that shit up.
>>1723256>too fucking dumb to get a bbq grill to the park without a carapply yourself or deserve to suffer
>>1723256Those are just the sacrifices you have to make in order to not be allowed to have a car.
>>1723258>>too fucking dumb to get a bbq grill to the park without a carokay, how do i get grill and bbq to the parkalso factor in i have bad knees and cant pull loads on a bicycle
>>1723258also how do i get free couch from suburbs to my pod? please consider i am trying to save on costs, thus the point of getting a used/free couch
>>1723263>implying you can afford a pod big enough for a mid-century couch
>>1720338>t. kike vermin
>>1723263If you have to resort to scavenging CL for free couches (eww), how do you have money for a car to begin with?
>>1723279i save money on vehicle purchases and maintenance. i minimize the amount i drive, i dont get parking tickets and i have cheap insurance due to no accidents/ticketsI get all my furniture off the street. my roommate doesnt have a car but she hauls crap home in her company's workvan all the time. do most companies let workers drive their vehicles for non-work buisness? would that be allowed in the no-car regulated city-centre?
>>1714566>how would you design transportation for a city without cars?You wouldn't. People could just go places unimpeded. Car cultures creates the traffic engineers, then the traffic engineers create more fucking traffic. Fuck those guys
>>1723293>I get all my furniture off the street.careful with this especially with upholsered items (((BEDBUGS))) are back
>>1714566I'd start by introducing cars.
>>1714566MONORAILS for primary designation points and secondary traffic hubsAlso designated smaller roads for bicycles and other small personal transport (maybe allow the rent-a-scooter businesses too especially if the city is, you know, too diverse or the crime rates are high for other reasons)Also a speed limit that won't be ever higher than manual bicycle maximum speed achievable by a trained person, just so that visiting bikefags and the like wouldn't kill anyone, plus the city is to be planned in a way where you wouldn't really need to hurry anywayFor the especially rich and need and needful for speed - public helicopter rides
>>1723256>am i going to have to pay some jewpriced rental carshare thing to move a free or $50 couch from my moms suburb to my pod in the city?>>what about wanting to haul a kayak to nature. or if i wanna haul a bbq grill and cooler to the park? i do that kinda shit often so i can have a cheap meal with the buddies when we are out. now i have to pay $70 delivery (each way) to cook $25 woth of meat at the park?Cargo bikes, bro
>>1723138He's right though
>>1723502Some people just want
>>1723534> american> rightmega kek
>>1723423>careful with this especially with upholsered items (((BEDBUGS))) are backyeah, we're pretty picky about what we grab and from where and def give items a thorough bug inspection
>>1723531i have bad knees, i cannot hual cargo on a bicycle. ...so now i have to have to hire someone to haul my "$20 used couch" from the suburbs to a city transfer point where a 2nd person has to be paid to deliver it via cargo bike? and them i am also paying the wage of some logistics person and transfer warehouse? sounds like it would be very expensive to REUSE an old couch.
>>1714566>keep cities exactly as they are>replace cars with pic related
>>1723581So get a fucking cripple card and an exemption, you whiny little shit.
>>1714586aren't these the VW freight trams?never understood why they can't make these rides transport passengers too, it'd be the most comfortable solution for factory workers
>>1723613There's probably just no need for passenger capacity, since if people are going to work on the same production line for a long time, it's more efficient for them to commute directly to whichever building they work in, instead of going to one factory first and waiting to be shuttled to the second.
>>1723613Because passenger trams go on the same routes anyway.
>>1723640yeah, but it needs twice the drivers that way
>>1723642A cargo tram and a passenger tram will still accomplish the same as two combined cargo and passenger trams, and you can run the passenger tram on any other route afterwards, not just the factory route.
>>1714566Only commercial vehicles and freight trains are allowed on car roads, which are all underground.Businesses and distribution centers would have to be directly above where trucks and trains drop freight.Cargo bikes, trailered bikes, side by side bikes, double seater recumbant bikes would all have their own HOV bike lane on bike freeways. Electric scooters, mopeds, and standard ebikes would all need a separate bike freeway parallel to analog bikes, but with fewer and with wider lanes and tailored for old people since that's who rides electric 2 wheeled shit.Golf carts, suped up lawn mowers, electric trikes, and atvs would only be reserved for the outskirts of the city since they'd be so far from the center and would take the longest to go around the whole city if not allowed through it. 3/ 4 wheels would be less fatigue on the user because they don't have to balance, but would be wider and faster and require larger infrastructure.Altogether, it wouldn't be zoned like a traditional city with a center and a sprawl expanding out in all directions. It would be a spiral shape with the edge of the spiral line being the outskirts and the middle of the line being the center. Bridges for bikes would be easy to build, but wouldn't cut straight through since the total diameter of the city would be orders of magnitude smaller than a traditional one.Because of the maximisation of vertical space for transit and smaller horizontal transit infrastructure even an analogue bike could go end to end of a Dallas sized city in under an hour.
>>1723134>Retail zone (mega malls) located adjacent as would a research and manufacturing zone.look at german universities you absoulutely shouldn't zone for research but disperse it throughout a less disperse city
>>1723588is that for beer or gas???
>>1714937As far as pods go that's a pretty shitty layout. Bedroom can be smaller to make more room in the kitchen/living area.
>>1714937This is a 5 star penthouse suite in Asian megacities.I hate you insectoid fetishist, communist NEET, diaper wearing, discord trannies/ furries so much. Day of the nonetworkconnection won't come soon enough.
>>1723958you skipped a couple buzzwords
>>1724355>>1723958Wuflu, PLANdemic, western civilization, deus vult, based, only two genders, blacked, states rights, (((fiat money))), wagie, looksmaxed, day of the rope, honklers, YWNBAW, nofap, GOMAD, gymcel, heightcel, authright, traditional family values
>>1714566first, remove jews
>>1714566an underground train network + walking
>>1722269>I’d imagine the first building was the monasterya monastery is isolated for a reason, but a church is there for the people
>>1714566Install industrial nigger-choppers underground. Now public transport is king. Large cities can be connected with high speed rail, and for smaller distances there's light rail.There's plenty of food. (Plenty of Fertilizer.) Food is a human right. Abortion is illegal, but there's robust welfare programs in place. Automation is incentivized by the money that was previously consumed by certain individuals. Money is diverted to research, recreation, and the arts.Soon cities are redesigned to include bike paths. The obesity crises subsides.Cities are redesigned so that the suburbs can include some mixed use development, and for variable density. The housing crises subsides.Cities compete to buy vacant lots, building parks throughout. People are happy.>>1720339Retard. Just put the bikes on the ground. Some other shit can be elevated.
>>1714566Roller coaster public transit system. Because roller coasters kick ass.
Everyone has to live in the building they work in.
>>1722034Depending on where you live that could be a sure fire way to get it stolen
>>1732138I don't know how people handle living a good distance from where they work, I have never had a job where I needed more than 10 minutes to get to work and I hope to keep it that way
>>1723540Water damage is a bitch to clean up and bad for androids.We're not going to have useless eaters in our utopia are we?
>>1732155Life gets complicated. You might get lured away by money. I went from a no-sweat, 10 minute rural drive to a 1 hr plus each way traffic nightmare for an extra $15K. I work from home now, but way back the only reason we had to go to the office was 'beacause we say so', it wasn't a tech limitation.
>>1732137I don wonder if small little carts like this may be a viable option, lots of short distance ones all around the cityprobably not
>>1714566>demolish the suburbs>replace the former-suburb areas with tens of thousands of tightly packed commie blocks>kill all car lobbyistsits literally this easy, it'll make houston half the size it is now
>>1732155same. All the people I know who work a good distance from home (say over 10km) also chose to do so, buying their house after they already had the job. I'm European though, I'm sure things are a lot different in NA due to the retarded urban design
trams and railpush hand carts on rails animals allowed no cyclists allowed in town
>>1722255>It works just fine.Except mental health is the worst it's ever been.
>>1723581You know electric motors exist, right?
>>1714566Build a City designed for Sedan transport.
>>1714724thought I'd add an Australian point of view for >>1714728. Canberra is considered a complete shithole in Australia. Though I've only visited and haven't lived there myself, I have friends whose family members live there permanently and they all talk about how completely soulless and difficult to navigate it is. It also has an autistic obsession with circles that makes it even more unnecessarily confusing. That said, you could still frame this as not the fault of planned cities, but rather due to the plan itself being shit. Almost all of Canberra's design choices were part of some heavy compromises that ultimately ruined the final product; it might not necessarily be planned cities as a whole that are shitty, but rather the plans for the cities themselves that are shitty
>>1714607>you’d need to be comfortable living with people, like your familysounds great if we just kill all the niggers and junkies so I don't have to live with them
>>1714566Copy and paste a town from Pokémon
I would just out the buildings in convenient places and not worry about cars or parking. If you want to drive everywhere stay in the suburbs.
>good transport means my car is going to be taken away from me, and also limiting cars in cities means I can't haul my fucking couch and groceries inside the city so this is badnearly every country that has top tier transit lives beside cars, some countries have high taxes so it's not as easy to own one as the US, but you can go to the country in your car anywhere and noone stops you, there's just pedestrian and bike focused cities that are more pleasant to be in.
canals and walkways everywhere
Narrows streets with plenty of 5-6 story midrise.
>>1714566Horses, carts and all the poop that entails.
For me it’s Art Deco. If your conveyance looks like a bland industrial piece of machinery suitable for cattle, no one will want to ride it. Buses and trains must look beautiful.
>>1744522they took this from you.
>>1723553Swede here, he's right. You don't abolish cars, you abolish cities.
>>1714592You obviously can’t. The car is a winning modern solution in many situations. A car free city means people must lose on all those metrics. Perhaps not medieval but it would not attract new people.
>>1744522Have we progressed or regressed
>>1715091>it lead to high suicide rates.after the collapse of socialism, not during it
>>1714566train stations every ~800 meterstram stations every ~150 metersroads converted to parks/gardens with lanes for bikes/PEV's
>>1714566Why are the trees see though
>>1746541same reason anime bangs are