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What radicalized you?
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>>1704725
Foamers
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>>1704725
Getting robbed on the train
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I think I finally caved on maybe the 50th time someone posted a thread about american suburbs. I thought I could hold out forever but I couldn't handle the slow, grinding attrition. Now I live in Europe and make custom party pace patches for 90s MTB frame bags. I have a craft ale blog and I support free public transport even though I can't remember the last time I got on a bus. I know I'm broken, but I don't know how to be fixed.
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>>1704725
Lenin
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>>1704725
Getting mugged at the bus stop, the smell of homos on the bus, the sound of retards eating likr pigs on the train all pushed me to become a cager.
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Retards trying to limit my freedom because muh polar bars, all the while ignoring the biggest polluter in the planet, China
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>>1704752
Kek
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Cycling on the road for 15 minutes made me hate cars for life
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I know what radicalized you: leftist boomer retard academics who were dumbshit hippies in the 1960s that never grew up, and thanks to their PhD, never really worked a real job in their life.
Bitter, hateful boomers. Selfish pieces of shit who expect you to sacrifice everything so their bullshit ponzi scheme can keep going a bit longer until they drop dead.
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Getting into an accident and being without a car for like 2 weeks made me acutely aware of how retarded most American cities are.
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>>1704771
>BUT WHADDABOUT CHYYYYYYNAAAAAA
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>>1704778
What ponzi scheme are you talking about now? Suburbs?
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>>1704865
America
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This video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HXZ_0wOY96E

The whole channel is basically this board.
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>>1704862
>but what about the single country producing 50% of the worlds CO2
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>>1704942
>>1704771
>CO2 produced making shit for the rest of the world

China somehow manages to produce not even twice as much CO2 as the US while having over 4x the population.
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>>1704945
that's because they lie about their emissions and why scientists are recording higher rates of co2 in the atmosphere rates than a lot of higher estimates predicted
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>>1704918
This faggot is the worst kind of elitist liberal, he could move to the United States and look down upon its population, because he's a college peasant (non-STEM, non law, non MD college education). He can die in a fire for all I care.
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It all started years ago investigating how exactly Germany was able to rebuild their economy after WW1 sooner and better than every one else which ultimately changed my views on nearly everything including transportation.

https://www.nationalists.org/pdf/hitler/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder.pdf
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>>1704962
Very emo cover
>>1704725
Going to school by foot radicalized me
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Reeeeee!

Why won't everyone live in commie blocs and take trains?


Reeeeeee!
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>>1704725
>What radicalized you?
Unironically, being a rideshare cabbie
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>>1705097
>>1704771
>more trains and mixed use buildings means you literally want me to live in hong kong and destroy my car!
every time, btw I own a focus ST
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>>1704918
>>1704961
Wait wasn't the guy who used /pol/ talking points such as wanting the federalisation of europe and to remove redundant countries? I know he made that video, did he delete it?
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>>1704945

China is the largest emitter of co2 since like 2015. Nonstop building of coal plants will do that
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>>1707229
What's the logic here? We're just gonna go by countries total without regards to population size? If you divide China into ten countries without doing anything about emissions suddenly it's fine?
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>>1704771
>all the while ignoring the biggest polluter in the planet, private capital
ftfy
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>>1704771
US is still second and emits way more per person. It's like a 300lb lardass saying they aren't eating too much because a family of four next to them ate 15% more than they did.

America wouldn't use so much more if people drove fucking cars. They all drive trucks and SUVs and never use them most truck beds are empty 90% of the time. Most SUVs simply never get used. People are fucking retards and think they need four wheel drive for winters or dirt roads. I worked as a guide and got s shitty Ford Taurus bubble but car with a mean exhaust leak up "4x4 only" roads reguarly with some wood boards. I drove a Prius an uncle left me through the upstate NY winter for four years fine while I watched people in Raleigh total their trucks and SUVs by the dozen due to 6 inches of snow.

The truck is a $45,000 hand bag for obese men with low T in 95% of cases, which wouldn't bother me if it wasn't also killing the wilderness where real men go.
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Is there any board on 4chan more full of Chi/n/a shills than one?
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>>1704862
Yes.
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>>1707255
>We're just gonna go by countries total without regards to population size?
Isn't the total output what actually affects the environment though? This isn't about which country is more virtuous or anything retarded like that.
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>>1707903
>Isn't the total output what actually affects the environment though?
Yes. Now pay ghg denbt!
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>>1707911
You're still ignoring the whole point of the argument: it's useless to cut your emissions if other countries will keep on emitting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
Learn some game theory.
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>>1707912
No, because cutting your emissions reduces your energy consumption and dependency on foreign energy, as well as still improves your own environment. Not to mention other economic benefits from having good public transportation (compared to what we have currently in NA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IsMeKl-Sv0
It's not simply a competition to have the lowest emissions for no other reason.
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>>1704755
Based
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>>1707973
FIFY
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>>1704918
>Federalize Europe already
dropped
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UV C light and ionizing radiation.
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>>1707929
>use more expensive sources of energy rather than cheaper sources
>???
>profit!!!
Interesting theory, go tell it to China and India. You may be right, but it seems strange that literally nobody wants to do things your way unless they're being forced to for non-economic reasons like environmentalism.
also
>Not to mention other economic benefits from having good public transportation
Not seeing the connection to the topic here; I also approve of good things and dislike bad things.
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>>1704725
Fat people that don't know how to share the road.
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>>1707771
oil is still entirely too cheap in the US for people not to get giant trucks and SUVs, and with electric versions of those vehicles, maybe emissions will go away, but the resouces used to make them and the immense size and weight will still cause so many issues, US needs more taxes on vehicle size, not the insane shit in the UK where you have to get a 1.2l diesel to not get totally fucked but each progressively larger/less efficient vehicle should be way more expensive (also dealers offering ridiculous loans needs to stop, letting people get into a false sense that they can actually afford these new cars and having so many on the road and being built)
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>>1708038
I'm not talking about alternative energy sources, but different means of transportation. Trains and public transport are much more efficient than cars for both manufacturing, use and infrastructure maintenance. Plus relying on cars for transportation encourages suburban sprawl which increases the amount of other infrastructure you need for the exact same tax base, whereas dense urban areas have the tax base much more concentrated.
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>>1708080
Also for most people their car is the second thing they're in the most debt for and (((financing))) is how automakers are making their money these days. Reducing peoples car use would reduce new (((financed))) car purchases since they either would need a car, or wouldn't mind driving an older used car since they're not so dependent on it.
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>>1708081
*wouldn't need a new car
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>>1708080
>I'm not talking about alternative energy sources, but different means of transportation.
Right, sorry bro. Forgot I was on /n/ of all places. carry on.
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>>1704961
>stem
if you go to college to get a job you're a slave
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>>1707775
/an/ possibly
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>>1707912
>i don't have to take responsibility, because others refuse to
this brain dead mentality is ruining western society
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Cars blocking pedestrian crossings.

I'm on the verge of pulling the driver out next time I see them do it.
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>>1704725
Walking a mile used to be typical and is now dangerous.
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>>1708653
Makes me wish I could bunny jump so I could jump up and ride over the hood. That would teach them.
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>>1704771
This
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>>1707775
what's the point of shilling China, China is USA but worse, it's just a neoliberal capitalist hellhole.
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>>1704725
The fucking homeless in San Diego downtown.
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>>1704725
Coming from a country town I always liked the idea of having an expansive train network so i could sit around and relax instead of having to drive 4-6 hours to get to the nearest relevant form of civilization but it wasn't until i went to japan that i guess i could say i got "radicalized"
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>>1704725
studying abroad in germany
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>>1705097
because i want to live in a cardboard box 30 miles outside of town with my own tiny patch of "grass"
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>>1708081
people almost never need to buy a new car, they do it as a status symbol.
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>>1704962
well shit
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>>1704862
If your plan doesn't involve knocking China back into the 9th century you do not care about the environment
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>>1704725
Shouldn't it be so we buy their medicine, while they suppress our cures?
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>>1710237
I care about the local environment, and don’t really care about things like emissions or the like. The large amounts of pavement cause excessive amounts of heating from the sun, destroy drainage and the ability for soil to absorb rainwater, and the sound of cars is very bothersome. A denser city at least would provide shade and reduce the total square area covered and not observing water.
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living in Atlanta
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I’m the opposite of radical. I’m opposed to America’s radical car-only paradigm and I support all the change we’re making to get rid of it.
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>>1710649
this desu fuck I-285, I-85, and I-75
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Traffic. I want them to build as many bike lanes, light rail, high speed rail, and busses as possible so I can drive with less traffic.
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>>1710803
Would you be willing to take those options if presented to you? If not, why would you expect anyone else to? Unless you live in a weird circumstance, like a farm, in the mountains 60 miles from town, drive as a profession (ie trucker or taxi driver), or are an /o/ type who actually likes cars instead of only seeing them as a commuter.
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>>1704752
lmao
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>>1710819
I'm an /o/ poster that actually loves driving and working on my cars. I'd love to be able to take high speed rail if I could.
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>>1704725
So you want to ride giant dildo
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>>1704775
ride on the sidewalk, its groovy i do it.
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>>1710649
>>1710695
Whenever I go to Atlanta I'll find a pretty nice neighborhood, things are going well and I'm enjoying it, then all the sudden after 3 blocks I see they paved a highway through it. Still like biking the beltline though.

t. birmingham native
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My car had an engine tick (Not oil) and was sounding like a rod was gonna bust through the engine last winter.

I decided to start walking to work instead of uber, 2 hours to work, and then 2 hours back, through a foot of snow.

I found it to be quite nice, from there I started to ride my bicycle to work when the snow cleared up, even developed a slight disdain for those dependent on cars.

I still drive a different, but not even 3/4 as much as I used to.
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>>1711230
>Still like biking the beltline though.
the beltline is great. when I moved down it was just starting to get really developed, and I lived next to murder kroger and ponce city market. That was like 7 years ago and I went back recently and holy fuck its so developed and crazy
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>>1704725
my car broke down so i started riding my bike to school instead of driving. i figure if all my tweaker roommates can ride bikes around town, so can i.
and then i didnt fix my truck for like 6 months
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>>1704945
>>1707771
I don't think the ecosystem gives a shit about per capita emissions
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>>1704771
>Retards trying to limit my freedom because muh polar bars, all the while ignoring the biggest polluter in the planet, China
this is why we burn down walmarts during protest
... and any store that sells water from new zealand
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>>1704942
>>but what about the single country producing 50% of the worlds CO2
yeah and were their number one buyer of disposable plastic convience crap
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>>1707912
>You're still ignoring the whole point of the argument: it's useless to cut your emissions if other countries will keep on emitting.
part of cutting emissions is not shipping all the other countries poluting products over here
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>>1708819
>Makes me wish I could bunny jump so I could jump up and ride over the hood. That would teach them.
i jump over car hoods, the drivers reaction is always great
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>>1710068
>because i want to live in a cardboard box 30 miles outside of town with my own tiny patch of "grass"
garage and a plot of outside space is realllllly nice for a diyer without an hoa
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Living in Houston, Texas
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>>1704725
non-nonsensical memes on the most autistic 4chan board
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>>1707912
>be USA
>lead the world in pollution for 80 years
>claim global warming doesn't exist
>finally get overtaken in pollution
>immediately declare all reduction efforts futile because CHYYYYNA
The mental gymnastics of Americans just to continually defend doing far too little are olympic.
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The fact that a 3 mile commute takes 15 minutes by car, but 20 minutes on bike. This is slow, mostly because of all the traffic lights and large road crossings because of the increased amounts of traffic. It’s backed up through several lights, and the only solution is to either remove the businesses and college along this road and just have it be a straight road to the neighborhood, or to redesign the city so less people drive. I like town to have things in it, so I go with the second option. They tried creating a second road to bypass around, but that didn’t work. You also have interstates at a standstill because people are waiting to use the off ramp.
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>>1704945
so youre saying its only going to get worse as china continues to develop? wow
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>>1704725
failing my driving exam
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>>1711625
As long as our lifestyles aren't largely carbon neutral, it's going to get worse as long as any of us continue to exist. Blaming it on certain countries or certain growth (especially if you live in a country where a person for a person you have a larger footprint than those you're blaming) is an utter pea brain take. Until we acknowledge we're all at fault and it takes all of us to find a solution, we can't even hope for one. This isn't a war with sides, this isn't even an ideological war, as of the present there are no people who are on the right side or wrong side, it's caused by all, will affect all, and needs to be fought by all.
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>>1704725
black people.
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>>1707674
wrong
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Is this an Adam Something thread? Check him out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f__nhlHC1g

>>1704755
Actually this.
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>>1704778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwI25UhTtGo
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This boards full of retarded sissy faggot poorfags. Have fun riding the cuckmobile to your minimum wage walmart job. Maybe you'll get a raise so you might be able to afford a moped kek
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>>1713256
Whoa there buddy, that's a lot of projecting. Remember to take your pills before posting.
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>>1704752
Underrated
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>>1705097
Reeee why can't I do things that are literally melting the planet reeeee
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>>1713440
Shouldn't we have all been underwater 20 yrs ago Al Gore?
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>>1713446
Have global temperatures not risen 1C already then? Is Arctic ice not getting smaller every year?
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>>1713219
>>1713220
Stop posting this cringy redditor.
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>>1704725
Driving semis in LA.
So many people that would be better served by decent rail service and some bromptons. If people only used cars for carpool or grocery getting Los Angeles would be halfway livable.
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>>1714513
And the smog covering the whole of California. It's unsettling, coming from somewhere with cleaner air. I really don't like that the haze stretches basically from from the border to Mount Shasta.
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>>1713220
God I hate these holier-than-thou champagne socialists more than anyone else.
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>>1713448
>two more decades
I've survived enough end of the worlds already to stop believing these grifters.
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>>1713220
this dude literally posted a video about how he used to be alt-right and watch those youtube videos but stopped because of Vaush and hbomerbuy. He is incapable of independent thought and bases his entire persona on what other people on youtube tell him to think.
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>>1714523
Either that or he rode the alt right/anti sjw wave while it was popular then conveniently changed ideologies when he saw what YouTube was monetizing and what it was demonetizing
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>>1704725
/o/ here, glad you bike hippies are smart enough to not fall for the electric car meme

Imagine thinking 4000 pounds of electronics and batteries is good for the environment somehow
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>>1714529
This is more trains than bikes. Bikes are great up to 10km commutes, since they also offer quick trips to stores (without finding entrances, parking, and having to worry about fuel/charge) with a high degree of schedule freedom. However, distance does become an issue, and trains can cover your average 15-25 mile American commute with walking (which is why over half of NYC takes public transit, even though their public transit sucks ass). It has less movement freedom, but is faster than biking and cheaper than driving (and cities don’t have enough room for people AND cars).
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>>1714529
They would be good for the environment If the components could be created with recycled materials and If the recycling and creation process had a relatively low carbon footprint and If the electricity they ran on was from generated sustainably.
Big Ifs.
I wish people would get as horny for good infra as they do to consoom.
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>>1704725
lost car in accident, only got 4k for insurance and with covid used car market prices that shit wont get me anything. i looked for alternative methods of transportation, initially a motor cycle but then saw videos talking about ebike/scooter stuff and was intrigued.

weird as it may sound, i tried walking around for once to get places and saw a dude with a bicycle, i could barely hear the e-bike motor as he went by and thought "wow that fucker is moving right along where as it takes me like 1h to walk 3-4 miles wtf"

im a fatso so i wasnt sure about a bike, i settled on an ebike that could carry my mass because i didnt know if i could actually cycle 3-5 miles since i havent been on a bike since i was a teenager, i assumed the worst in myself+had no frame of reference for my capabilities. I could get a fancy new ebike for up to 4,000$ or a shitty used garbo car for 8,000-11,000$ so I went with something new+ less expensive to maintain.

riding around my city in the usa via bicycle is pretty wild. im not saying im better than anyone or that everyone else is wrong, but i realized how different i viewed moving around compared to my family/friends when they would pick me up + we went somewhere. like getting into a car limits your view so much, its so quiet and isolated, you have heat/cooling. there is so much fucking power/mass behind this vehicle and it holds so much compared to my bike w/ a basket + 2 bags + you have to pay insurance and gas and get fucked by traffic a lot I tried to explain this to my family every so often and they just shrug like im a mad man.

idgaf about environmental stuff but when i really thought about how overkill it is to use a car (for my situation&most ppls I think) i started to question transportation in general. i've lost 15 LBS riding a bike and i haven't tried that hard to eat less. Im not sure im “radicalized” but man cars seem pretty fucking dumb the more my 330 pound ass gets around on a bike well enough.
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>>1714647
It really is crazy how your perception of distances, hills, what's near/far to you, and even the noise level of your town/city is shaped by your transportation. I sometimes go for walks and I don't live in a walkable area at all. It reshapes my perception of my area.
Biking does the same, but it's faster so I can see more of town. I don't use it to commute or race or anything, just ride around for fun. I use a car for getting around but my fellow cagies don't realize how bad the car warps your mind.
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>>1707771
>The truck is a $45,000 hand bag for obese men with low T in 95% of cases
Kekd
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>>1711750
welcome brother
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>>1715104
I don't think he meant it that way. But you're still based for posting him.
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>>1714647
>>1714651
nice.
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Around the age of 10 when i started biking to school and almost got killed a few times by regular adults who seemed like theyd be perfectly nice if i met them on the street but seemed in a kind of killing frenzy, willing to risk a 10 yo'ds life to get to work 30s earlier in a car.
22 years later, I hate cagies more than ever and act extremely hostile towards them when they slow me down in rush hour city traffic.
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When I was 12-15 during summer break I'd bike every Friday to a video store about 5 miles from my house each way. They have a policy of renting 5 movies/disks of a series box set for 7 days for 5$ if they've been out for more then 6 months, and also sold cheap PC games and used console games. I live out in the countryside and the video store was in the village over from mine. I really only need a car when going to work because I work in a different town. That's what did me in.
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>>1704725
When my car got stolen by a meth addict. Got a $100 bike on Craigslist and have been NEETing off the insurance money for months.
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>>1704725
some nonsenical meme
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>>1704725
Lmao breathe my V8 fumes wagie
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I just got back from a trip to California. I'm from the south and haven't been in over a decade.
The design of their cities and coastline is atrocious. I found myself FUMING at traffic in the middle of the day, middle of the night, all sorts of times that are easy in my city.
It affected LA especially but even the towns down by San Diego are congested. There's no reason for it. There's no reason to have a 4 lane+2 lane road in the middle of your high rises (that's all one way by the way). There was a sign on the freeway advertising some random day as "car free day" where they want you to bike, walk, or take transit. It was pitiful to see above a """freeway""" of cars going 25mph.
I'm not a car-free advocate because there's value in a car (like when you're leaving a city to go to the countryside), but it's crazy how much our cagie society will put up with.

I was already radicalized, but going through all of that torment reminded me of this thread.
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>>1719231
4 lane+2 turning* lane
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>>1719231
It’s just because there are way too many people there. It used to not be like that but unrestricted immigration from other states and countries will do that.
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>>1719234
A big part is also richfags knocking down all the affordable apartments and replacing them with million dollar condos so trust fund kids can bike/transit to work and have their cosmopolitan urban larp while all of the normal people are forced way out to the suburbs and have to commute back into Hollywood/DTLA/Culver/etc. for work.
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>>1704752
Yeah gonna need to upvote this post
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>>1710695
you forgot I20, and how there is an 85/75/20 intersection in downtown
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>>1719231
Despite my country's atrocious public transport, I still prefer it over driving in the cities. Waiting 15 mins for the train, than doing nothing while riding it for 30 mins is way better than accelerating and braking and paying attention to the idiots going 50 mph on the overtake lane for 45 minutes.
t.europoor
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>>1704771
This is still a brainlet take. The real red pill is that most of the pollution Chiyna produces comes from private Western companies outsourcing to them. Yet if this is the case, why do the global warming leftists love globalism and free trade so much? Why are they against tariffs? Why are they actively trying to scare local manufacturing away with retarded taxes and regulations that make it impossible to compete, just so that they can pollute 10 times as much on the other side of the world? It's all about money and control (surprise!) and absolutely nothing to do with protecting the environment.
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>>1704766
>>1704751
> not using a bicycle
ngmi
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>>1707995
based
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>>1704725
Living in a suburb. My family moved from the city to the suburbs when I was like 8 and I hated that going anywhere required having to have my parents drive me. Then, needing to have a car and license eventually turned me towards answers to my questions of why things are the way they are and eventually I find myself being a "fuck cars" guy for like 4 years before mellowing out and just being anti-car culture.
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>>1708006
He loves the idea so much, he made two videos about it.
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>>1713220
I find myself annoyed by Adam Something and also Not Just Bikes because they both post videos that are just parroted by rose emojis who didn't give a fuck about this stuff even three years ago. Not Just Bikes is smarter but he's basically just rehashing Strong Towns shit and making Twitter lefties feel smart like they're the "first one" to refer to suburbs as a "ponzi scheme". Adam Something is more entertaining but he'll post cringe takes because he wants to signal to the left but can't fully commit to the bit.

It's like the monkey paw. I wanted more YouTube content about transportation shit, but this is what I get. At least donoteat1 was good to watch until he stopped making videos to switch to his sometimes watchable 7 hour podcasts on building with engineering flaws.
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>>1711752
>no argument
what a surprise, you're a retarded faggot
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>>1714523
Okay, and? Everybody is influenced by outside input. Christ.
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Worked for Tesla

Worked for Spacex

Discovered Well There's Your Problem while I worked at Spacex

I hate Musk. I love Train.
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>>1704865
The globalized economy
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>>1708555
If you pay to go to college and don’t even get a job out of it you’re a fucking retard
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>>1721697
>Well There's Your Problem
>start listening to a random episode
>idiotic laughter
>"my pronouns are"
>tab closed
Are there any transportation themed podcasts that don't push the globohomo idpol bullshit?
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Living in Japan
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>>1721727
No, because cities being planned properly means they’re not planned for racist sexist assholes like you.
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>>1721727
I wish I could find something like this. I am extremely right wind compared to these people and I just want to learn more about urban planning/what can be done and not have to fucking deal with racism, equity, trans people and all this shit. It's so exhausting.
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>>1721805
Do you not see how ridiculous it is to suggest that we redesign our cities, but in a way that keeps racial inequities? If you’re not trying to design cities for a tolerant, sustainable future then your just a troll.
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>>1721810
It is possible to have rational discussions about urban planning without making Diversity Inclusion and Equity (TM) and sustainability the only focus. Strong Towns actually started on this premise, that the financials were so bad and so compelling that the other talking points were, quite frankly, irrelevant.
But I seriously doubt you actually hold epic progressive views and are just a troll, so I've been master baited I'm sure
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>>1721810
You don't have to design inequalities. They emerge spontaneously and attempts to socially engineer them away always has unforeseen consequences. Legitimate solutions are nowadays criticized for not having enough white guilt or pandering to blacks.
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>>1719360
americans dont want to admit it but to fix the affordability issue, the government needs to step in and force it to happen, which is sadly "communism"
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>>1721537
Yes. For example I usually wait to form an opinion on something to see what the majority of people think about it and then I join the opposite side.
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>>1707911

>over the period from 1751 to 2017
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>>1723926
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution
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>>1721385
>At least donoteat1 was good to watch until he stopped making videos to switch to his sometimes watchable 7 hour podcasts on building with engineering flaws.
The tragedy of our era
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>>1723931
>Asia has been industrialized for only 80 years or so
>in that time they have caught up to the same amount of CO2 produced as North America over 277 years
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>>1720849
Leftists love tariffs, wtf
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>>1725150
No they don't. If they did, import tariffs would already be in place in most western countries.
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When my gf crashed my truck I briefly had to live without a car in an extremely car dependent place. I realized that this only happening because poor people are shit on by our society.
In a major metro area and tourist destination (Orlando) you cannot take a bike to an agricultural store, its an hour to get 11 miles.
There are so many benefits to public transportation, particularly as a tourist hub. Tourists would be more likely to venture outside of Disneyworld and actually see our downtown, experience our city and spend money elsewhere if it was not for the lack of public transit.
I am seriously considering just quitting my job, taking a pay cut and moving to Boston, NYC or one of like 5 places that actually has public transit.
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>>1704725
Nice propaganda photo right there. Modern cars built after 2015 dont pollute air so much because engines fuel efficiency has increased a lot. Also most of these cars have both catalytic converters and particle filters in the exhaust system. Diesels have adblue or def fluid. Some of the fumes you can see from modern cars tail pipes are actually water vapour because of outside humidity/moisture air thats first taken in and then released back into the air by engine, also from burning ethanol mixed into gasoline. This assuming engine is in good condition and runs correctly. The most pollutive cars are built before 2003.

CO2 is healthy gas for all humans, animals, flowers, trees etc. Its not a pollution or harmful gas. Without CO2 everyone would die. The climate change propaganda of course likes to brainwash people believe CO2 to be bad thing.
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>>1725910
>CO2 is good for us so the amount doesn't matter
Funny take. But otherwise I don't have an issue with your post.
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>>1721344
>leave your bike locked to a pole for 5 minutes
>
>the only thing left is bikelock and a wheel
>the rest is in Poland or some pawn shop in Detroit, depending on where you live
such is the life
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>>1725755
>Tourists would be more likely to venture outside of Disneyworld and actually see our downtown
Visitors go off Disney property all the time in their rental cars, and they're not going to downtown Orlando because it's shitty

>I am seriously considering just quitting my job to move to a place that actually has public transit.
No you're not
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>>1704725
literally nobody wants to share a space with you
stop promoting public transport just because you're desperate to stand close to other people
you sick sick weird freak
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>>1704725
Growing up in the city, the first time I went to visit a friend in the burbs I was amazed we had to drive everywhere and that wasting your life in traffic was normal.
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>>1721805
>>1721727
you two are the real snowflakes here
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>>1704725
da juuuzzzze
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>>1704725
Growing up with boomer parents who insist on driving everywhere. Trapped in a car with them for several hours a week. Nonstop complaining and raging about traffic, gas prices, parking, they're health problems caused by lack of exercise. 90% of the world's problems would be solved if we switched from cars to bicycles and trains.
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>>1725957
>such is the life
Get a 20$ alarm that goes off if anyone even touches it.
Or dont live in the ghetto.
The unspoken rule of real estate is not "location location location", its: check the bureau of statistics ethnic minority map of the neighborhood and its surroundings
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>>1704771
AQI always shows that air quality is worse in east Asia compared to other countries. In the US we do have plenty of coal fired thermal plants however we never seem to get any significant smog/air pollution.
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>>1707674
Also they ignore all the different issues caused by human population growth. Reducing amount of cars wont reduce amount of humans in the world.
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>>1728974
2nd photo. If predictions are going to be true, there will be even more humans in the world.
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>>1713220
/o/ here, electric cars are fun because they accelerate really fucking fast. Imagine hating cars because they don't make fart sounds.
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>>1729017
>/o/ here
Right
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>>1725981
>Visitors go off Disney property all the time in their rental cars, and they're not going to downtown Orlando because it's shitty
Downtown orlando is pretty cool. The problem is that the only functioning transit Orlando has is the bus from the airport to DisneyWorld.
>No you're not
I really am, I always hated driving anyway.
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>>1707995
Thanks king!
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>>1729920
>Downtown orlando is pretty cool.
No it's not
People come to Orlando for Universal, Sea World, and of course Disney.

>The problem is that the only functioning transit Orlando has is the bus from the airport to DisneyWorld.
Exactly. They're serving the needs of travelers, who aren't going to downtown Orlando
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For me its just seeing how much nicer urban areas would be if they weren't designed around car use exclusively. People drive too fast, roads are 3-4 lanes wide, drivers are walled off in their own bubbles just trying to get somewhere.
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>>1730678
Criminologist here. This is actually one of the suspected reasons for the police/community divide. Police used to walk among crowds, get to know business owners.
When the car became popular they became more service oriented and just kind of went from call to call, driving there. Today a cop without a car is seen as useless, even though police foot beats are strongly suspected to increase police/community relations at no cost to public safety assuming full staffing.
There are downsides to this car-based utopia that mutts think they live in.
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>>1731237
Then why are cities with police foot patrols criminal shitholes too?
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>>1731240
Because by the time a city makes a big deal about their "foot patrols" things have gotten so bad that the police can get bullied into doing something they hate: walking, and being forced to interact with people other than for the direct purposes of either shooting or arresting them.

No burger cop will ever voluntarily get out of his car except to buy a donut or to shoot or arrest someone, and politicians will let cops do whatever they want until things have gotten so bad that they've tried making illegal things even more illegal, giving the cops even bigger magazines on their machine guns, and taking away civil liberties even more aggressively, and all those things didn't reduce crime so they'll finally try "radical" approaches like making the cops get out of their armored glass boxes.
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>>1707995
>>1707973
they're the same thing.
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Being a delivery wagie and having to interact with cagers everyday
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I get cops not wanting to get out of the car, especially in the neighborhoods that really need that style of policing. It wouldn’t be that hard to press a gun to the back of their heads before they can even reach for the radio, but being in a car gives them cover and an escape plan.
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>>1704725
>What radicalized you?
Actually using public transit in a multi-ethnic society where a certain ethnicity is allowed to be loud, be obnoxious, litter, violently assault, and rob you without repercussion. These same thugs and their enablers vote for corrupt politicians who are incapable of maintaining the public transit infrastructure, let alone expand it and make it more efficient.
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>>1704725
my state's godawful drivers and rush hour traffic
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>>1704725
After I started commuting into the city by train and realising how convenient it was, and how much more convenient it would be if you could move between suburbs with efficient transport
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>>1704725
Studying abroad in Taipei.
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>>1704725 Public transit and cycling activists are much worse than your average car driver.
>drivers dont want to ban any other king of transport
>drivers dont want to limit speeds, access to certain places, increase taxes
>drivers dont want to ruin existing infrastucture and make it worse, e.g. by reducing road width or adding artificial obstacles
>drivers dont want to waste taxpayers money on unprofitable and filthy public transit
>drivers want nice wide paved streets for anybody. Bikefags included.
>99.9+% of the drivers are polite and careful. There is much less of such people within a bikefags.
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>>1731891
>Drivers are so nice just as long as the entire transportation system is built around them
Geeeeeeeeee willikers
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>>1725154
But the leftists don't control governments, retard
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>>1731891
Based
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>>1731891
>>drivers dont want to ban any other king of transport
Yet they try to kill you when you use "their" roads
>>drivers dont want to limit speeds, access to certain places, increase taxes
Yet they cry and demand for more enforcement when a speeder kills someone near where they live
>>drivers dont want to ruin existing infrastucture and make it worse, e.g. by reducing road width or adding artificial obstacles
Yet they ask for the destruction of fertile farmlands and hysterical buildings to add useless lanes
>>drivers dont want to waste taxpayers money on unprofitable and filthy public transit
Yet they demand "incentives" to buy new electric cars
>>drivers want nice wide paved streets for anybody. Bikefags included.
Yet they park on the kerb destroying it
>>99.9+% of the drivers are polite and careful. There is much less of such people within a bikefags.
see point 1
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>>1731240
Selection bias.
Departments that have programs like this are generally programs that are willing to try anything to improve community relations.
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>>1732165
They're still shitholes dude. Tying crime to cars is one of the more horseshit arguments I've seen on /n/
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>>1704771
hello PragerU
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>>1704725
Seeing day after day how cars shit up my city and how my tax money is funnelled into car centric infrastructure while I get pubkes. Waiting 20 years now for 1 single decent bike lane.
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>>1731891
Highways are unprofitable and a high tax burden, if that’s the angle you’re trying to argue from.
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>>1731891
>drivers dont want to waste taxpayers money on unprofitable and filthy public transit
Obviously not, they'd much rather have all the tax money go to maintenance of this asphalt hellhole our world has become.
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>>1734095
That interchange cost around $260 million. You could only get a couple of miles of transit for that much, but the interchange provides far more utility and economic benefit than the equivalent transit spending could provide.
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>>1704945
They lie and half of the chinks live without water and electricity
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>>1710237
Don’t be so liberal. 9th century is too good for them. Send them back to the fucking Stone Age
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>>1713256
>>>/pol/
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Living in Uganda. Riding in crowded taxis and on boda-boda motorcycles on roads that would get congested at intersections such that anyone who moved could risk a crash made me wish for a better, more uniform state of public transport that didn't rely so heavily on barely built and easily ruined roads
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In college, I lived in a section of the city that was walkable and bikeable. I'd bike to school and back, I'd bike to the downtown river and bike the trail for daily exercise, I could get drunk downtown without worrying about having to drive back (though the walk was unreasonably long; it was Austin which is still a car-dependent city), and I felt that I was living in a lively city and loved being surrounded by a variety of people. That was literally the happiest I was in my entire life compared to when I was living in car-dependent suburban dystopias.

Also, I've watched way too many urban planning videos; I'm probably being brainwashed by the YouTube algorithm but fuck it.
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>>1736692
>That was literally the happiest I was in my entire life compared to when I was living in car-dependent suburban dystopias.
Nothing's stopping you from moving back to the city :-)
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>>1725910

Time for a lesson on dealing with folks who argue on bad faith.

> CO2 is healthy gas for all humans, animals, flowers, trees etc.

No serious person is making an argument that it isn't.


>Its not a pollution or harmful gas.

The moron puts in this strawman here as if this too is the argument. The statement claimed is not a universal statement about the effects of CO2 on the planet. The argument made is that there exist a certain level which is too high.

>Without CO2 everyone would die.

Again, no one is arguing this.

>The climate change propaganda of course likes to brainwash people believe CO2 to be bad thing.

Now, using the retarded premises he makes, he comes up with this brain dead conclusion.
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>>1711310
But it sure cares about the emissions grouped by borders that were formed by political alliances and wars centuries ago. Why doesn't the US become a million small countries at the county level? That'll save the environment, right? All emissions go down, only the silly "per capita" emissions stay the same.
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What's essential /train/ literature?
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>>1726678
>In the US we do have plenty of coal fired thermal plants however we never seem to get any significant smog/air pollution.
You actually enforce air pollution control laws at least somewhat.
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>>1704962
Germany's economy was in pretty bad shape. It was only better if you were one of the people deriving benefit from all the resources being taken from everyone else.
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>>1707973
based

>>1707995
cringe
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>>1730500
>They're serving the needs of travelers, who aren't going to downtown Orlando
Don't build transit to downtown, so people don't go downtown. Therefore, people not going downtown is because people don't want to go downtown. 10/10
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Who says I’m radical? Building everything around cars and only cars is radical.
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>>1732264
I didn't talk about crime, I talked about police/community relations
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>>1737766
Yeah, exactly. Don't spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a useless system that doesn't go where people want to go.

>>1737772
I don't care
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>>1719380
go back to le eddit
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>>1710828
im on /o too while i love cars i hate them at the same time. enjoy riding down a backroad and wrenching but 90% of the time in stuck in traffic and want to blow my brains out
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>>1707995
based
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>>1730500
Ever thought that one of the reasons people might not want to go downtown Orlando is that it's a dystopian concrete and asphalt hellhole with over half of the land area being either highways or parking lots and where a car is absolutely required for a human being to even exist and even then you're just stuck in traffic?
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>>1734097
It's really quite baffling how even at this point there are people who will still make the cost/benefit argument when it has been proven wrong in innumerable occasions and scenarios.
That interchange is not a good investment, but rather a huge and horrible moneysink that cost way too much and takes way too extremely valuable city land area.
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>>1737916
You might be right, but an expensive train to nowhere won't fix that. People don't go (drive and fly) to Orlando to go downtown. They're going to Disney, Universal, and a handful of other spots that aren't near downtown. Anything else is just cope.

>>1737918
>That interchange is not a good investment
Why?
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>>1737919
If people aren't going downtown then why is half of downtown made of highways and parking lots? What the fuck even is a city is if it's a place where nobody goes to?

>Why?
Because it costs a lot to build, takes up a lot of area, and does not provide enough profit to offset these costs.
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>>1737920
>If people aren't going downtown then why is half of downtown made of highways and parking lots?
Highways going to other places
Parking lots because those generate income vs. empty buildings or empty lots
People can go downtown wherever they live, they don't go to Orlando to do that. A train won't get rid of the highways and parking lots, but it will cost a lot of money to build and operate at a continual loss. Give it up

>Because it costs a lot to build,
$200 mil under budget
>takes up a lot of area,
Milwaukee isn't running out of space
>and does not provide enough profit to offset these costs.
Neither do trains
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>>1737921
Cars, highways, and parking lots create a feedback loop. In a car centric city everything is so far away and the city design is so hostile to everything else but driving that you are forced to do all of your traveling by car which also increases the number of people driving. Public transit systems do not work in car centric cities because the distances are so high and population densities so low. People are forced to buy and maintain an expensive car and on top of that to shoulder the cost of car infrastructure, even if they don't own a car and don't use it themselves.

>Highways going to other places
So there are lots parking lots downtown but nobody goes downtown? curious

>A train won't get rid of the highways and parking lots
Right... so they'll just build extremely expensive and space consuming parking lots and highways even if people aren't using them? makes sense.

>Parking lots because those generate income vs. empty buildings or empty lots
Why do you think the only other option is being empty? How can it not enter your imagination that the land could be used for something else, like a useful building? a building that will obviously generate more profit than just a paved lot.
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>>1737927
>Cars, highways, and parking lots create a feedback loop. In a car centric city everything is so far away and the city design is so hostile to everything else but driving that you are forced to do all of your traveling by car which also increases the number of people driving. Public transit systems do not work in car centric cities because the distances are so high and population densities so low. People are forced to buy and maintain an expensive car and on top of that to shoulder the cost of car infrastructure, even if they don't own a car and don't use it themselves.
I don't care

>So there are lots parking lots downtown but nobody goes downtown? curious
Your words, not mine

>Right... so they'll just build extremely expensive and space consuming parking lots and highways even if people aren't using them?
Parking lots are cheaper to build than occupiable structures, that's why they exist, it's the cheapest thing to put on a plot of land that generates income so the owner isn't losing money on property taxes each year. They're also normally not built or owned by the city. Highways move most of the nation's freight and a huge slice of the population, so the government has dedicated a lot of money to them in order to keep the economy going. Btw, central Florida isn't running out of room to build on.

>Why do you think the only other option is being empty?
Because someone else would be on it if it was worthwhile to do so.

>a building that will obviously generate more profit than just a paved lot.
A vacant building is a money loser. No property owner is going to take on that degree of risk and no lender is going to finance it unless they're very sure whatever the plan is, that it is tenable and the demand is there for it.
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>>1737918
>proven wrong in innumerable occasions and scenarios
Sorry, some train/NUMTOT YouTube video isn't "proving" anything.
>extremely valuable city land area
I've seen this argument a lot, yet it basically boils down to "big thing bad". The highway ROW has been there for decades when the land value was low, and the businesses surrounding it are mostly there BECAUSE it has highway access (hotels, etc.). Dense areas aren't necessarily high value areas (slums, for instance, with narrow pathways, aren't exactly tax money-makers). I blame the idea on the "SimCity problem", the idea where armchair city planners strictly think about cities in numbers and data points that have little ground in reality.

Trains are a great example for this, as no city simulator really goes much beyond the "work/home" paradigm (no simulations for leisure, out of town drives, shopping, etc.), because you can fit as many people as possible into a train as the same function as highway driving, without considering quality of life. The "takes up a lot of space" is because 0.3 square kilometers is pretty significant if you only two to four square kilometers to play with, not so much when you've got 7000+ square kilometers in real life.
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>>1704725
my own schizoid brain. i've been calling streets or stroads or whatever is the new hot reddit buzzword "rivers of hate" in my mind ever since i was a teen, because they are slaughterhouses. i don't say it to other people because it's too schizo.
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>>1737818
it's a self fulfilling prophecy you retard
>be a restaurant
>don't serve burgers
>no one orders burgers
>see no one wants burgers
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>>1737945
>Dense areas aren't necessarily high value areas
this company completely disproves this argument
https://www.urbanthree.com/

> I blame the idea on the "SimCity problem", the idea where armchair city planners strictly think about cities in numbers and data points that have little ground in reality.
ah yes, the idea that taking data and statistics on real world things does not correlate to the real world. I blame this problem on the fact that cagers have zero capability of thinking beyond their forgone conclusions and get mad when someone insults their trucky truck
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>>1737954
There is no way that this is true unless your parents were some sort of cultists.
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>>1738001
>this company completely disproves this argument
Some website advertising their "services" doesn't prove anything
>someone disagreed with me, ree ree cagers
Of course there's correlation to data and statistics, but it's vastly oversimplified. The problem is taking those "vastly oversimplified" statistics and then trying to apply them back to the real world.
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>>1737996
Sounds like a straw man argument to me
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>>1737996
The problem with light rail in "car-centric" cities is that it ends up becoming a victim of its own success. Dallas and Houston both have this issue:
>after years of politics, city approves first light rail line in large, sprawling city
>light rail line goes where people want to go, connecting major employment centers with usable park and rides, attracting a middle to upper class clientele that would never ride buses ordinarily (removing cars from road)
>impressive passengers-to-mile ratio
>politicians get in their head that light rail needs a massive expansion based on first line's success
>new light rail goes to less affluent parts of town and basically serve as more expensive bus lines, cannibalizing the bus lines (and the bus budget) and doing nothing to take cars off the road
>new light rail lines never reach the numbers of the original
>passengers-to-mile ratio plummets, cost exponentially grows
>light rail goes from a useful showpiece to a cautionary tale
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>>1726653
>ethnic minority map of the neighborhood
They come from far and wide to do their bidding. At sunrise they disperse with their loot.

Nowhere in my area is safe, not even the countryside





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