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surburb bros...
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Lol
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>eggs
Disgusting.
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>>1700767
>Suburbia
Americans were a mistake
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It takes suburb livers less time to stop by the grocery store because cars are way faster than walking, so cagers can actually buy stuff even easier
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>>1700767
tl;kys
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>>1700792
right wingers BTFO by reading lmao
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>>1700788
>>1700792
the entire point of the joke is that rural farmers and urban pedestrians can easily get eggs while suburbanites have to go on long and complicated journeys to costco or walmart. you're not supposed to read it all you brainlets
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Surburbia isn't right-wing. Rural is right-wing. The suburbs lead to atomized individuals and fractured communities so it's the very definition of left-wing.
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>>1700784
Why do y'all think suburbia only exists in the USA
>t. Currently in a Munich suburb
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>>1700819
Average distance to supermarket in suburbia is 3.5 miles, it's not long or complicated journey by car.
When corner stores are nice convience, they are overpriced and have limited choice of goods. If you are vibrant and brave urbanite who lives alone and doesn't cook regulary corner store is fine to buy here and there eggs or bag of coffee. But if your are are housewife who runs household with several kids amount of goods consumed becomes substantial and running to corner store doesn't cuts anymore.
Driving to supermarket 1-2 times a week and getting everything in bulk saves substantial amount of time and money.
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>>1700870
When I lived in Charlotte I could ride my bike 1.5 miles along a bike path to a Publix. Not needing to drive that short distance because useful bicycle infrastructure existed was very nice, but according to many, Charlotte is not a 'real' city so my experiences were not authentic. Maybe because my bike was always still outside after I was done shopping and I never saw human excrement along the bike path? I don't know what makes a city 'real', so I can't say much about this topic.
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>>1700870
Absolute truth
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>>1700870
>there are no grocery stores in cities

yeah ok sure
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>>1700854
That's not a suburb. Those things are garden sheds in a working-class garden community. That's fairly common on the outskirts of cities in Northern Europe, especially in former communist countries.
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>>1700872
Try hauling an SUV full of groceries home on a bike.

> because my bike was always still outside after I was done shopping and I never saw human excrement along the bike path?
Correct.
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>>1700921
>but what if I have to buy all the food I need for the next year all in one trip
I hate bike nazis more than anyone on this board but this is such a dumb argument and all it does is say "I eat trash out of boxes and cans and I'm afraid of fresh things"
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>>1700926
>My time has no value so everyone else must not value their time either
Produce doesn't spoil in <48 hours dumbshit. I'd rather get everything for the week in one trip than go every day.
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>>1700928
>produce doesn't spoil in 2 days
>i go to the supermarket every 7 days
>i don't want to go every 1 day
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>>1700928
t.
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>>1700934
>>1700941
>No argument, just cope and seething.
Better luck next time tranny.
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>>1700941
>fat people
>active
heh
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>>1700943
I am a trans woman appreciator chad too but what does that have to do with your aversion to fresh food?
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>>1700950
How's college?
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>>1700921
>Try hauling an SUV full of groceries home on a bike.
I don't even do that now when I drive to the grocery store most of the time. Sure, if I was one of these obese retards you see with shopping carts piled high full of bottled gatorade and soda I'd say you have a great point, but if all you're transporting is actual food you only need to make 2-3 trips to the store each week. If you don't even have time for that then I don't envy the life you lead.
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>>1701003
Yes, I went to college so I can afford to eat real food instead of bulk hamburger helper from walmart. Sorry about the inequality problem, I honestly hope things get better for you.
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>>1701012
>Produce doesn't spoil in <48 hours dumbshit.
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>>1701036
Glad you got that reply function figured out
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>>1701039
Ad hominem argument. Claiming victory.
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>>1701040
I'm not even the anon you're arguing with, I'll let you claim whatever you want.
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>>1700767
Eggs are produced by chickens once a day, and it's cows that are stereotypically named "Bessie", not chickens. And going to a "corner store" for eggs can be found just about anywhere if you don't mind paying a 50%+ markup on eggs. The local 7-Eleven (or whatever) is never too far away and while you could buy some groceries there, why would you want to?
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>>1700854
>>1700901
Indeed, that's a communal garden, at least he should try to change the file name before baiting.
>Schrebergarten1
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>>1701042
Alright, thanks.

>>1701043
Urbanists will gladly get raped on markups on that and other things (namely rent) and then look down on everyone who doesn't fall into the same trap as them
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>forget eggs
>drive for about 4 minutes back to Publix
>buy eggs
>whole trip takes about 15 minutes
>or better yet, just stop there on the way home from work tomorrow

Rentcuck jealousy looks bad on you
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>>1700870
>Average distance to supermarket in suburbia is 3.5 miles, it's not long or complicated journey by car.
>3.5 miles
>5.6 km
>not long
That's more than twice the distance of my commute.
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>>1700921
I literally live in an apartment directly above a large grocery store with cheap prices (for canada). cope
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>>1701176
>I literally live in an apartment
Can't imagine bragging about being a rentcuck
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>>1701187
if you mortgage you are literally in the same cuck spot, unless you own a house then don't speak
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>>1701176
>bragging about living above a grocery store
>publicly admitting you live in canada
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>>1701189
>He doesn't know what equity is
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>>1700950
based ally
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>>1701198
I've got a courtyard with a garden plot, free gym, billiards room, a grocery store that I can literally elevator to, pretty nice, not sure what the downside is supposed to be
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>>1701201
Ally, chaser, it all depends on whether I'm too short and ugly for her, or she's too tall and masculine for me

>AGP2W, the captcha knows
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>>1700941
>Get active, over there!
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>>1700950
To be fair brussels sprouts really are an acquired taste. They served one of the least suitable vegetables they possibly could. Took me into my 30s to get past the farty smell and gain an appreciation for the flavor. It's basically the liver of vegetables, and I'm still scarred from being served liver as a child.
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>>1700870
>3.5 miles, it's not long
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Just loling at the fact that this person put Wawa and Food Lion in the same post like they coexist

Everything else is 100% correct, though
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>>1700870
>Average distance to supermarket in suburbia is 3.5 miles
How nice is that 3 iles, though? I grew up in an old fashioned east coast suburb older than the country, with mixed zoning.
Every ''''suburb''''' around us is a cul-de-sac lolipop attached to 45mph+ roads with zero sidewalks. Even as the crow flies, that shit sucks.

>>1700921
>Try hauling an SUV full of groceries home on a bike.
I don't *HAVE* to because the store is close enough that I don't have to make super duper sure each trip is 'worth it'

>>1700928
I do value my time that's why I don't live in an areas that expects me to spend half of it behind the wheel

>>1701043
DUde our '''corner store'''' isn't 711 or something, it's a corner store, and if you set the prices of staples too high we WILL come and burn it down.
There's actually a sign up right now by the trolley stop warning the corner store that the neighborhood doesn't appreciate their price raises post remolding (To appeal to new residents who can pay more but want to feel lije they never left the suburbs)

>>1701115
>forget egss
>walk 1 minute to the corner store or 2 minutes to the 24 hour grocery
Man must suck
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slav living in what I suppose is an approximation of suburban environment, there are stores with a km of any single location and realistically within 5 minutes of walking if you don’t need anything special that requires a larger store, plus specialised stores selling tools, car shit, paint and so on close enough for walking but far enough that you probably won’t bother going just for that
do americans have no small shops interspersed throughout the area? wouldn’t muh invisible hand result in such businesses popping up to fulfill the needs of the residents?
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>>1701216
Liver is extremely tasty, especially slow cooked with onions, so no, it isn’t
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>>1701579
?

>>1701585
>I do value my time that's why I don't live in an areas that expects me to spend half of it behind the wheel
The only time you're going to spend 12 hours behind the wheel in a suburb is if you're a delivery driver. You're just seething because of your inability to control everyone else

>it's a corner store, and if you set the prices of staples too high we WILL come and burn it down.
Impotent rage. "Y-you guys go ahead and burn it down, I'm r-right behind you!"
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>>1701598
You don’t have 24 hours a day, retard.
>sleep for 8 hours
>work for 8 hours
>commute + everything else
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>>1701579
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>>1701589
>do americans have no small shops interspersed throughout the area?
No because that might bring black people on the bus and that is scary.
You gotta drive to a 'shopping center' that looks like a square with all the shops on each side facing inward toward a vast sea of asphalt.

Back in my kiddo days, these used to be more focused on walking, with no parking lot in the middle, more like a fountain, but now it's the opposite.

Here's what a shopping center in town used to look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW5f5tsKgpU, pic related is what it is now.
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>>1701589
>do americans have no small shops interspersed throughout the area? wouldn’t muh invisible hand result in such businesses popping up to fulfill the needs of the residents?
Zoning restrictions prevents market forces from applying.
Shops and similar aren't allowed there.
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>>1701600
>You don’t have 24 hours a day, retard.
I do. You live on another planet I suppose

>>1701602
>No because that might bring black people on the bus and that is scary.
Histrionic argument. The real reason is that commercial areas and stores just aren't pleasant to live by.
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>>1701603
Leave it to conservatards to first enact strict zoning regulation to "keep the N out" and then complain that liberal overregulation prevents market forces from doing the right thing.
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>>1701604
>Histrionic argument. The real reason is that commercial areas and stores just aren't pleasant to live by.
No, friend, I live in an area where they measured the height of city busses and purposefully made overpasses a couple inches under. This is America you're talking about, bub

>The real reason is that commercial areas and stores just aren't pleasant to live by.
Hell yes, that's just what the free market wants, nevermind youre forbidden legally from orienting a town like mine was growing up. No one would want that anyway, silly, your freedom doesn't matter.
Now buy a car, don't forget insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking fees.
I even have a fucking car, it's just my choice, not my only option.
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>>1701606
lol I'm a liberal just explaining for anon who may not be familiar with how common zoning restrictions are in america
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>>1701604
>commercial areas and stores just aren't pleasant to live by
True when they look like pic rel
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>>1701616
Exactly, keep all that stuff in its zone, and have housing in another zone. I don't want to live by a grocery store or a 7/11 regardless of the convenience.
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>>1701620
It’s not even that convenient. These people talk about how they can walk to the grocery store, and it’s okay that they can’t get that many groceries because they can go a lot. Kinda just seems like a waste of time to make 3-4 trips to the grocery store per week, it probably adds up so that you spend more time and money there if you walk there.
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>>1701620
I mean, I do, because it means the dude owning that grocery store probably lives a above it. Makes it's possible to get out on your own, and keeps you in check

>>1701623
>, and it’s okay that they can’t get that many groceries because they can go a lot.
If I wanted to, I could take a weekload plus home with me, but why would I want to when I can get fresher shit when I need it?
I start cooking without reading the recipe because it's that convenient to get shit

See, this is called FREEDOM.
I can CHOOSE whether to walk or drive. (I drive when I get icecream!) I can choose whether I go daily or weekly or anywhere inbetween or beyond!
No one is saying don't drive, just don't MAKE me drive
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>>1701208
Some people are just retarded.
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>>1701623
When you're young you don't value your time that much. Another case of some twenty-something thinking that nobody knows any better and he must enlighten us all
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>>1701625
>See, this is called FREEDOM.
No, it's called CONSOOMING
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>>1701628
If you *want* to. If you wnt to drive a car in a place where cars do not take priority, you can. If you want to do literally anything else in a place built around car travel, yo're shit out of luck.
Which one i is more freeZ?
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>>1701629
>His idea of freedom is being able to walk to a store to buy stuff
I'll stick to living somewhere I can plant a garden in that case
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I lol'd at brook stream forest plaza
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>>1701634
Not only can I plant at my house we have a lock garden (and planting wildflowers illegally doesn't get you killed by the HOA)
But yeah bud, freedom is choice, sorry if you don't like that Maybe you can choose a less free country
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>>1700921
>SUV full of groceries
check out this fat fuck
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>>1701641
Your idea of freedom is how quickly you can buy things
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>>1701607
>No, friend, I live in an area where they measured the height of city busses and purposefully made overpasses a couple inches under.
So Long Island. But that's not relevant to your histrionic argument

>Now buy a car, don't forget insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking fees.
>I even have a fucking car, it's just my choice, not my only option.
Don't care
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>>1700870
>Driving to supermarket 1-2 times a week and getting everything in bulk saves substantial amount of time and money.
You fell for the meme Anon. Regular grocery stores buy in bulk just like Costco, you don't save any money with them they just make their money of the memberships rather than the sticker price of goods.
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>>1701603
>>1701606
>Oh noooo we have to let developers and outside corporations impose their will at maximum efficiency oh gosh yall please think of the developers
Pathetic
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>>1701607
>commercial zoning is fascism
Agreed, brother. I always dreamed of living between a liquor store and a stripper bar.
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>>1701703
Not him but he said supermarket, Costco, Sam's, etc. aren't supermarkets
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>>1701706
They basically are and he said bulk, nobody describes regular grocery stores as selling in bulk.
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>>1701711
>They basically are
Nope. Costco requires a membership, supermarkets do not

>and he said bulk, nobody describes regular grocery stores as selling in bulk
Supermarkets often run sales that give you a price break when you buy a certain volume of a product
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>>1700767
man I don't even want to live in the suburbs there's no other option for many people

>>1700783
>>eggs
>Disgusting
one off the healthiest things you can eat, vegan idiot
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>>1701628
Having daily amenities and services in walking distance isn't the same as buying the new Iphone every 6 months :/ conflating not needing a car with consoomerism is to say the least, a very bad faith argument.
>>1701659
Pretty sure suburbanites also purchase food and goods from stores. Only difference being suburban trips require a car ride every time you leave your property
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>>1700941
This is fucking hilarious

Btw every cagetroll on here is an American who weighs at least 300 lbs, I guarantee it.
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>>1701757
So the reason you can't ever think of anything original to say besides repetitive namecalling is actually because you're an ESL, not just because you're a retard?
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>>1701627
>my time is valuable
>he says in a long-winded arguement on /n/ about urbanism with people he hates
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>>1700934
holy christ the teeth on that one on the left
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>>1701610
leave it to YIMBYs to exploit ambiguity over the word "liberal" to try to trick people into thinking they're not the bad guy
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>>1701627
I enjoy walking to the store in my city, it's fun to see what crazy shit the hick populace is up to. I don't see it as wasting my time
I cannot imagine having to get into a car and driving all the way to a supermarket like you're describing, getting a shit ton of food, and going back. That sounds like an vidya mission
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>>1701616
>>1701620
>massage parlor
>checks cashed
>rent to own appliances
If your issue is living next to poor people, just say you don't want to live next to poor people. But given that your nearest shopping area is for poors, we can conclude logically that you are the poors
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>>1701888
>"Oooohhh look at that lovely gold-embossed braided tea cozy shop! So charming! I want to live next to it."
>buy house next door
>3 months later
>tea cozy store goes bankrupt
>homeless encampment arises in front of the vacant building
>replaced by a laundromat/CVS/payday loan/cell phone store/mexican beauty supply outlet because no other b&m businesses can survive anymore
>constant stream of degenerates, junkies, and bums walking past your door 24/7
>"WTF how did my property valuation drop 80% in a year?"
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>>1701899
Or maybe I just want to live next to a good grocery store and wine shop and coffee shop, which I do, and none of which have had any trouble in the pandemic because it turns out yes, brick and mortar retail still works as long as it's not idiotic suburban vanity stores run by vapid soccer moms with nothing better to do than to flush their husband's money down the toilet
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>>1701620
Suburban grocers are comfy since only the locals and neighbours ever use it. For anything other than food I do agree though
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>>1701903
>betting your property value on a grocery store never going bankrupt or moving out
Ask me how I know you're a renter.
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>>1701905
I own my condo. Property values have been increased steadily for the last 20 years. If you absolutely require an asset that is guaranteed to never depreciate, then real estate ain't it bub
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>>1700870
the cope
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I walk to the grocery about twice a week, it's on the way home from the subway station. It's literally no problem loading up a bag with a bunch of food and walking 3 blocks home.

These cagetrolls saying you can't get that many groceries obviously live with their parents and don't do their own shopping.
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>>1700872
where did you live in Charlotte? Currently living here and it is a car dependent hell hole
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>>1701964
americans (and canadians by extension) for some reason think you NEED to transport huge amounts of things all the time, I get if you do extreme sports like skiing, mountain biking or dirtbiking, then owning a large vehicle makes sense. I have a focus ST, it's big enough to transport everything I need, in fact it's too big and I'd rather have the fiesta really, even if I had 2 kids there'd be enough room or I'd just like, not have to transport them everywhere in a car because I live in a city. if you look at a place like japan, the prevalence of tiny cars and low car ownership in general in tokyo and such means junk removal and shipping are super cheap or free, it's not hard to rent or procure a shipping company when you need a fridge moved, I really don't get it unless you're a farmer or own a labor business, having a large vehicle
>inb4 it's muh freedoms to have large truck
sure, just ideally your giant polluting truck can't be driven in most downtown streets (also, ban harleys, fuck harleys)
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>i KnOw WhAt EvErYoNe eLsE nEeEeEeDs
No, you don't. You just want to control other people as a coping mechanism
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>>1702070
anon, you aren't going to die if suburbs allow protected bike lanes on their giant streets and relax zoning so that communities can have shops near them
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>>1702072
The simplistic /n/imby strikes again. We have the ride to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Simply "not dying" would make for a hellish society. Misanthropes such as yourself could never understand.
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>>1702080
ah yes having a nice town centre instead of soulless concrete shopping malls is infringing on your life and liberty, also there are already so much of those shitty suburbs that if you love it so much, you can still live there, but if zoning were relaxed then developers and citizens might choose to run businesses out of their homes or build mixed use buildings even in suburbs then we'd have more real small towns like there used to be instead of "big city" and "single family home suburb".
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>>1702083
You already stated the only thing that matter is whether a change causes someone to die. Pathetic. You will never have the control over anyone else you crave
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>>1700767
Man that’s accurate. Fuck suburbs. Embrace your fellow men either by moving to a rural community and deciding to live anonymously in an urban settlement where everyone is ontop of each other.
Suburbs just give the worst of both with the benefits of neither.
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>>1700767
holy fuck this is hilarious.
>>1700783
wristlet
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>>1701705
shame that you aren't free enough to do so isn't it?
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>>1700788
>>1700792
They could've just replaced the text with loren ipsum, the suburban text doesn't really matter. The point is "city and rural life=good, suburbs=bad"
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>>1702070
this is why we need to remove zoning laws.
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>>1702113
>urban settlement where everyone is ontop of each other.
>Suburbs just give the worst
self-defeating statement
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>>1700870
>people with giant families couldn't exist before modern car-dependant suburbia

O MY COSTCO CAN NOW LET ME LIVE WITH 10 KIDS
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>>1700928
>spend all the time driving like a retard
>values his time

fucking kek
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>>1702149
the people with some of the largest families in the US are the amish, no cars at all, mostly subsistence farming
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>>1702152
Why do /n/imbys have to lie to make their points?
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>this thread
>tfw you are German and never lived more than ten minute walk away from a grocery store.
>>1700822
>The suburbs lead to atomized individuals and fractured communities so it's the very definition of left-wing.
Didn't huge chunks of left wing theory spent the last 70 years criticizing exactly this?
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>>1700870
How does the pricing look when you add fuel for the trip back and forth?
What do you do when you are out of eggs/milk/whatever?
How much does your car cost you, compared to the case if you didn't need a car (i.e. either paying for public transport or cycling to work)?
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>>1702228
it may shock you, but in america everyone isn't driving around with gas guzzling v8's
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>>1700870
The people in the picture you posted live in a city lmao
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>>1702268
It still adds up.
15 minutes here, 10 there, 20 on commute, then back, and you need to refill your tank.
Then there are the insurance, oil, parts and repairs, and the cost of the car itself.
I would love to get a nice vintage car (or a dozen), but I don't want the car to own me.
For commuting I can get a $1000 bike and enjoy the commute itself, which I can see as being just a small fraction of car expenses, especially if I had to use one for commuting.
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Why do americans refer to "the suburbs" as those weird large copypaste estate things? Over here a suburb is just an area you live in and can vary wildly.
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>>1702340
because "area outside of city" past the year 1940 in the US is 90% those copy paste single family sprawls with shopping centers as the only shops, no bike lanes, and no transit.
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>>1702157
>oh no no no no
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>>1700819
>rural farmers can easily get eggs
idk man 18 weeks to wait for a single egg per day that isn't always guaranteed. plus the hassle of building a nice chicken coop. plus the maintenance to clean up the mess. plus you gotta make it pest proof. and you gotta look out for foxes/hawks/eagles that are gonna attack your chickens. and you gotta make sure your chicken is healthy. and let's not forget that chickens, on average, stop laying eggs after 3 years of age, so sure now you have chicken dinner but you gotta take care of the other chickens etc its all a hassle im just gonna get some tv dinner trays and call it a day
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>>1702340
"Suburb" has been continually changing definition since like early last century. Take Cincinnati, OH as an example. People used to live almost exclusively in the city center, places like Over the Rhine. Then it got shitty and people moved to Mt. Adams, like maybe a mile away and that was the suburbs. Then they moved farther out to Hyde Park and Mt Lookout which was farmland and became the suburbs. Then they just kept moving progressively farther out from the city, each time things got worse.
So now suburbs are generally new developments very far (~15-20 miles) from downtown. Developers don't give two shits about anything other than building these as quickly and cheaply as possible, so modern suburbs are huge cookie-cutter sprawling subdivisions, with no commerce inside them. Suburbs USED to mean something like a town, see my Cincinnati example, but that's just not true anymore.
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>>1702379
I think it's a new zealander, he jumped into an argument about suburbs in another thread and whined for hours about how I don't speak english because he didn't know what a suburb is
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>>1702437
no that was me
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>>1701176
I live somewhere like this in the US, and my office is just down the road. I haven’t been there in almost 2 years now so I might move.
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>>1701705
Ok lt other people tell you how to live your life

>>1701913
>I own my condo
lol

>>1702070
Ok so fuck off with the zoning laws

>>1702218
Yes, conservatives are retarded

>>1702340
Everyone outside the MidAtlantic region is also retarded
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>>1702685
>Ok so fuck off with the zoning laws
Cope. Zoning laws were brought about because the people that lived in a locality desired and continue to desire them.
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>>1702685
t. seething renter
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>>1701753
>one off the healthiest things you can eat
one of the unhealthiest things you could eat
plus they smell like sulphur if you dont add cream, butter or mayonnaise
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Holy shit how can americans be so delusional? I also live in what could be called a suburb and I've got an ordinary sized grocery store 1.5km away, three schools in a 2km zone, and all the shops a person could ever need to visit for ordinary needs in a 5km sphere.
For my whole underaged school career I always rode a bike to school and everywhere else.
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>>1702882
Yeah and look at how the white people that lived in comfy suburbs turned out vs the black people that were forced into dense multifamily housing turned out. Really says it all.
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>>1702910
>Really says it all.
You say so, but I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
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>>1702915
Suburban environments are more conducive to community, happiness, and safety, while urban environments and density are heavily correlated with isolation, crime, poverty, mental illness, lack of community.

A lot of people say that criminal blacks are a “product of their environment”. They’re right, and that environment is dense, multifamily housing in urban areas. There are lots of intelligent, ambitious and successful black people, and they all have one thing in common- they live in the suburbs.
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>>1702950
Selection bias. Suburban home ownership in the 20th century was the single greatest form of wealth accumulation for americans, a form of wealth that was denied to most blacks of the era due to antiblack regulations. A black person in that era who managed to own and hold onto a suburban home in the face of strong housing discrimination by lenders and regulators was beating the odds just by owning a house, to say they're wealthy because they're from the suburbs confuses cause and effect.
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>>1702958
It’s not just material wealth I’m talking about, it’s literally a better life.

Black people were forced into dense multifamily areas which globally are correlated with poorer performance in school, more crime, more isolation, and more risk for mental illness, not to mention the lack of green spaces for physical recreation making it harder for kids to stay out of trouble. Sharing a building with a drug dealer makes it harder to stay out of trouble. Being forced to ride the bus with crackheads and gangsters makes it harder to stay out of trouble. When a young urban black kid wants to go outside and play as a kid, he doesn’t go run around in the backyard. He goes to the shared outdoor space, shared with gangbangers and drug dealers and alcoholics and crackheads. He walks by them every day as they try to pull him into their own personal hells.

“I wish there was a bubble around me, quiet, made of metal so they can’t touch me, that could take me where I need to go in peace, alone, safely” he thinks to himself, and sighs.
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>>1700870
>5,6km
>not long
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>>1702987
Who would have imagined that forcibly confining millions of people so they don't settle in the whites-only zones would make for incompatible personalities living together unwillingly in the same miserable place.

Kinda weird how the kids at Dalton don't have these problems despite living in dense multifamily buildings.
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>>1702993
>Who would have imagined that forcibly confining millions of people would make for incompatible personalities living together unwillingly in the same miserable place

And now you understand why density is so bad for the human.
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>>1702987
>environment causes bad people meme
No, bad people cause the environment. Culture comes from within.
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>>1702996
Weird how you accidentally missed the second sentence. One might get the impression that you did so intentionally because it didn't fit your narrative, but this is 4chan and no one here would do that.
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>>1702950
> urban environment = commieblocks
What a chutzpah!
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>>1702987
So much cope to say "whites and blacks shouldn't live together".
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>>1702997
Who do you call bad people?
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>>1702836
>plus they smell like sulphur
haha this retard overcooks his eggs
>>1702874
if it's what you've dealt with for 50 years you think it's how things have to be, in this thread even the suggestion that suburbs can have more than single family homes, can have bike paths, can have shops in neighborhoods, can have public transportation etc. is some kind of threat to their way of life, suburbs are part of a city you idiots, if you want rural living, live outside a city, suburbs should just be less densely packed parts of a city, no city should ever be designed so that it has mixed zoning in the middle and literally only housing on the outside
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>>1703021
i only eat french omelettes, so no
but eggs are otherwise disgusting
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>>1703021
>no city should ever be designed so that it has mixed zoning in the middle and literally only housing on the outside
No metro area is
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>>1703036
well you can easily overcook a french omelette
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>>1703041
that's how tons of cities are in the US, you seen phoenix? it's got a city core and then golf courses and giant blocks of suburbs in the outskirts
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>>1703045
There are commercial areas and industry outside of the urban core.
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>>1703049
there are shopping malls and strip malls yes, seperated entirely from living spaces and requiring a vehicle, that's not how things should be designed
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>>1703052
So you're conceding that

>>1703021
>no city should ever be designed so that it has mixed zoning in the middle and literally only housing on the outside

is incorrect?
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>>1703053
I never claimed otherwise, I should have typed differently but I meant that you wont see mixed use development outside of the city core so suburbanites are literally required to own a car, which is not good design.
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>>1703055
>you wont see mixed use development outside of the city core
Well, that makes sense. If those types of developments were demanded and economical, they'd be more common.

>which is not good design
That's simply your opinion. Feel free to reside in an urban core if that suits you. It's not where most people want to live, though.
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>>1703057
>Well, that makes sense. If those types of developments were demanded and economical, they'd be more common.
they are not allowed as per the zoning in suburban developments, so no, they aren't common because they aren't allowed.
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>>1703058
Do you think zoning is absolute? That variances and rezoning isn't done all the time? If people want it, it will happen.
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>>1703044
i dont overcook my french omelettes you absolute troglodyte
if anything, i undercook them
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>>1702950
this falls apart when you look at places like japan or korea or even europe
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>>1702340
because that's all they are.
99% of the surrounding area in any big city is copy+paste sfh sprawl
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>>1703067
and it finally is.
nimbys are seething about it but democratically elected officials are finally starting to upzone like their constituents want.
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>>1703349
>If people want it, it will happen.
Developers will ram whatever project they want through if they have enough money (and the market conditions are right), and they don't pay attention to people actually want or not. The only time when developers are defeated is areas with a ton of well-moneyed resistance (like the "Ashby Tower" project in Houston) and even then, it's "what the people want". The YIMBY/NIMBY dichotomy depends on what project it is, opposing a light rail project in the area makes you some sort of mass transit-hating villain, while opposing a freeway widening project in the area is "grassroots opposition".
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>>1702157
that's the point of the post retard fucking kek, just btfo of that dipshit who wanted to copy by saying that only via costco can a person sustain a large family
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>>1703349
In other words you have nothing to complain about. You'll get bored and figure out something else soon enough

>>1703383
Most families aren't farmers who live in insular rural communities. You're really stupid.
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>>1703449
>Most families aren't farmers who live in insular rural communities. You're really stupid.
You're retarded. Cities have existed for thousands of years, and large families existed within them as well.
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>>1703375
>"Ashby Tower" project in Houston
Oh wow - forgot about this. I know some of the people who live in that area - it's crazy high income. I'm just a regular swine though, and Houston has become fucking unlivable in the past 2-3 years. Inhabitable and full of shitters.
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>>1703455
Do you ever draw any comparisons to modern things that don't involve agrarian or medieval societies
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>>1703471
ok, cities exist now, with many families living in them.
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>>1703472
So?
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>>1703498
that's a modern comparison
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>>1703499
No, it's a statement
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>>1703455
Amish use personal transportation though. Horse carts. Just like most of the medieval population prior industrial revolution. All normal peasant families had horse and a cart.
Medieval city dwellers were like 5 % of population and they always demographically sucked pops from rural communities.
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>>1700767
The fuck is this? This is some peak urban bus rider cope right here.
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>>1703830
what is that image supposed to demonstrate?
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>>1703831
To demonstrate how stupid people in the city are because people that live rural actually don't give a fuck. Imagine walking half a mile to the grocery store almost every day? The fact that everywhere ether looks uninspired, and you can't do anything to the protective "wildlife" living outside on the sidewalk in front of your home. You can do the same in the suburbs, but this time you don't have to deal with city traffic, random encounters of dirty beggars, shitting, sodomizing, or stalking, to have a meaningful trip for a pantry stock that can last you for weeks.
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>>1703839
>sodomizing
lol, I see, I thought for a second you were being serious
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>>1703841
You never seen two homeless men fuck in public before? You must have not lived in the city. The needles on the ground are a bonus.
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>>1703847
I've lived in the city my whole life. You should clear your cookies, the youtube algorithm is making your mental illness worse
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>>1703830
i don't get the point of posting this image. are you just showing that there are plenty of grocery stores nearby in the city?
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>>1703839
>sodomizing
Invalid post
You would also be a sodomite if you weren't a virgin
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>>1703928
he thinks walking half a mile is untenable and he mentioned sodomy for no reason, he's a fatass retard flyover and there are a lot of them on this board.
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>>1703841
>>1704007
>>1704028
>durr he used a word I don't like so his posts are invalid!
>now let me use my own buzzwords like "cager", "burger", "flyover", etc. and expect to take me seriously
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>>1704090
yes, that's how it works, you act like a facebook boomer talking about sodomizing fags in a discussion about city design and you won't get a response that isn't making fun of you
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I mean it’s been proven by science that people who live in cities spend more time going to places, not surprising as cars travel 10x as fast at a minimum than walking.
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>>1704091
I'm not that anon, I'm just trying to point out something
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>>1700854
>garden community
>Is ThIs SuRbUrBiA?
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>>1700870
>I’ve never driven outside of my huge suburb.
>I don’t even know what grass feels like
Why are you parasites so insistent on continuing your useless existence?
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>>1704028
>mentioned sodomy for no reason

You will never live in the U.S.
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>>1703784
Kys. Cities existed literally thousands of years before medieval Europe who btw has adopted the city model for a reason.
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>>1703839
>>1703847
>lives in a shit hole where gay sex on the streets is normalized
>HURR DURR CITIES ARE SHIT LIVE IN A SUBURB

fucking kek
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>>1704149
Thank God
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>>1700921
I'm 31 and I never bought more then two shopping bags in one trip. I really don't know what do you buy, probably frozen food, cans and soda packs.
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>>1700788
>>1700792
Imagine how these retards would feel if a book was put in front of them
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>>1704814
>I'm 31 and single
We know
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>>1704872
My mom used to send us kiddos to the store to buy some ingrediants while she was cooking. It was nice and taught us some personal responsibility; can't do that when teh grocerys tore can only be driven to.
Why do you hate freedom?
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>>1705027
So you are single
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>>1705041
>everyone who isn't single can't possibly live comfortable in a city
americans actually believe this
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>>1705043
Correct
- Cost of housing is MUCH higher in urban areas per square foot
- Quality of schools is much lower than in the suburbs, hope you've got money for a private school
- Crime is higher in cities. So what if your kids can walk to the store? Cities are full of freaks and weirdos and no one's letting their children go anywhere unattended

On the upside:
>Wow! I can go to the store and consoom more easily!
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>>1705043
Cities have TFR 60-100% lower than suburbs.
No real cities have TFR above 2.1, no cities are demographically sustainable without immigration of non city population.
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>>1705048
besides cost, all of that sounds like american issues, which is what should be fixed.
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>>1705062
>sounds like american issues
It's unhealthy to be that obsessed with a foreign country.
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>>1705065
i am canadian so america is not that foreign and their shitty planning has spilled over to canada since the 50s as well, so it does effect me and I want both places to change
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>>1705066
There's literally no reason for you to be this obsessed with the US. Perhaps focusing on improving your own country would be a better use of your time and effort.
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>just spend an extra two hours walking
>just build a grocery store on every other street
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>>1705121
>two hours
>implying you need grocery stores on every street to make it walkable
>also busses and trains and bikes don't exist
excellent argument
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>>1700819
>long and complicated journeys to costco or walmart
??????????? wat ???????????
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>>1704872
I have a gf of 11 years.
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>>1705048
>- Crime is higher in cities. So what if your kids can walk to the store? Cities are full of freaks and weirdos and no one's letting their children go anywhere unattended

It's unbelievable that in what's supposedly a 1st world country CRIME is something you take into account.
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>>1700767
load of horseshit, just looking at a map of my normal prewar suburb and I can count three grocery stores, multiple gas stations and convenience stores, a hardware store, several restaurants from upscale to fast food, gyms, entertainment, and multiple shopping options all within three miles of my house.
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>>1706989
>3 miles

So like 30 minutes walk? I have literally everything I could ever need within 5 minutes walk, including a train station that could take me to the countryside in 15.
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>>1701601
where? I know wawa but have never heard of food lion
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>>1701705
>>1702138
you can do that in texas, no problem
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>>1706989
>prewar
so literally not the places we are talking about, yes.
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>>1700921
Why an SUV full instead of a compact? How much food do you ducking need?
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>>1707043
Because SUVs (most of which are crossovers now) are more practical than compacts in every regard except for marginal fuel savings. Given the choice between even a mom-tier crossover and a compact, nearly everyone will take the SUV.

>ducking
Come on anon
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>>1707048
>more practical
yeah if you actually need to carry all that stuff regularly (hint: you don't), and also the fuel savings are hardly marginal, they are quite significant unless you get some gutless POS, also size always makes a car harder to park and more dangerous, large vehicles should be more taxed or require better licenses.
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>>1700767
lmao, that image is hilarious. NUKE THEM, NUKE THEM ALL.
t. enjoyer of suburban hell sprawl

Seriously, I've lived in the country before when I was going through an innawoods phase, and I've lived downtown when I was 20 and both were great in their own ways - suburbs, however, were the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life.
What's even worse is that in current year there are actually normalfaggots on 4chan defending them.
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>>1707043
>Why an SUV full instead of a compact?
Because soccer moms drive SUVs.
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>>1707000
>So like 30 minutes walk?
5 minutes drive.
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>>1707048
>he fell for the SUV meme
Fucking LOL.
Most impractical piece of shit boomer mobiles ever devised, to milk faggots like you out of their money.
-interior volume is shit and smaller than a normal 4 door wagon
-ground clearance is still shit and can easily be replicated/topped by a normal car with raised suspension (too bad auto manufacturers won't do it because they can make more money selling overpriced shitSUVs)
-visibility is shit and all the windows are tiny as fuck because an SUV is basically just a bloated 4 door sedan that appeals to your small dick complex because muh large vehicle

Pic related is the subcompact that makes SUV fags cry in shame because it can do everything better.
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>>1707058
>a normal car with raised suspension
>Pic related is the subcompact that makes SUV fags cry in shame because it can do everything better.

You're basically asking for the same crossover faggot 'good at everything' car but you want to be a special snowflake about it
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>>1707052
>yeah if you actually need to carry all that stuff regularly (hint: you don't)
This is a common trope your type falls back on, it is better to have the ability to carry 4 or 5 people or cargo than have to go out and rent another vehicle to do it. That is one reason why SUVs have been top sellers for decades. Stop thinking you know what is best for everyone; you do not.

>also the fuel savings are hardly marginal
Many crossover SUVs have 4 cylinders, in comparison there are hardly any V8 SUVs on the market now. Even Ford's full-sized SUV uses their ecoboost V6. The smaller SUVs and crossovers will often have some kind of hybrid option as well. And besides that, it's up to the buyer to determine how much they want to spend on gas, not you.

>size always makes a car harder to park and more dangerous,
Yeah that's why small SUVs are more numerous in cities. For most people it's not a big deal. The danger thing is just hysteria.

>large vehicles should be more taxed or require better licenses.
Back to a desire to control people, which is based on a deep seated envy of others (you will auto-deny this, don't bother, heard it all before) or whose purchasing/lifestyle habits you don't personally approve of. The good news for everyone else is you will never have a shred of the power you crave.
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>>1707062
larger cars effect severity of crashes, this is just a fact. and cars in general dominating the transportation of an area just isn't sustainable, both in terms of moving people and the environment, I still think large trucks need higher taxes, they are a menace on the roads.
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>>1707058
>Most impractical piece of shit boomer mobiles ever devised, to milk faggots like you out of their money.
I've had mine for almost 20 years, I think I got my money's worth. Pic rel

>interior volume is shit and smaller than a normal 4 door wagon
Untrue and there are virtually no wagons on the market today; dead segment

>ground clearance is still shit
Also untrue

>visibility is shit
Opinion; for me, that's not true.

>an SUV is basically just a bloated 4 door sedan that appeals to your small dick complex
You're the one bringing up penis size, I think you are the one with a complex

>Pic related is the subcompact that makes SUV fags cry
Why? It's marketed as an SUV. If that's what you like, buy it.
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>>1707062
>he bought a soccer mom car
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>>1707064
>larger cars effect severity of crashes
Despite what you think, crash safety has improved even as SUVs became the most popular auto segment.

>I still think large trucks need higher taxes, they are a menace on the roads.
Crab in a bucket mentality.
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>>1707068
You are obsessed with other people's buying decisions. I already said I think you should get the Subaru subcompact if it suits you. It doesn't bother me that you like it, it doesn't bother me if you don't like my vehicle. You have a serious insecurity issue and use insults as a coping mechanism.
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>>1707066
>virtually no wagons on the market today; dead segment
North American problems. Market tailored to soccer moms.
>>1707070
It's just imageboard bantz bro, relax. I don't care that you have a dragon dildo collection.
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>>1707072
>North American problems. Market tailored to soccer moms.
Don't care

>It's just imageboard bantz bro, relax.
I think you take this pretty personally
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So this is how /o/ raiding /n/ looks like? Mom cars...
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>>1707070
are you the same person who goes on every thread related to urban design and building more transit saying
>your obsessed dude you're obsessed stop making people do what you want you're obsessed stop forcing people to live like you
I think it's you who's obsessed and has some kind of complex where you feel unnecessarily threatened that your precious car is gonna get taken away, chill
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>>1707077
It makes you upset when you have to think about anyone besides yourself.
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Rural guy's grocery run:
20-40 miles on part mud road, part rural highway to a (surprisingly well-stocked) mini-medium market at some small town center. There may be a truck stop with the bare necessities nearer. Seeing other vehicles is a rarity.

You do that with ur truck, with cap on because you are not a poser. In bad season you may need to use the tractor.
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>>1700941
>HOW THE F*UCK DO FAT PEOPLE IN EUROPE MANAGE THEIR LIFES???
They don't that's why they are fat.
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>>1701046
>Raise the rent
But Anon I'm the landlord
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>>1701208
Renting a box. And no the gym isn't free it's part of your rent don't be dumb
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>>1702228
>How much does your car cost you, compared to the case if you didn't need a car (i.e. either paying for public transport or cycling to work)?
time spent driving 3.5mi in a car is about as long as the city dwellers 1.2mile bicycle ride, maybe 8-12 minutes ... and thats not taking into account the amount of weirdos who just walk, or the city retards who take an uber everywhere
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>>1707555
>time spent driving 3.5mi in a car is about as long as the city dwellers 1.2mile bicycle ride
Maybe if you live in a shithole, ie, outside the midatlantic
I'm constantly left waiting fr friends visiting the city in their cars, as I can take my bicycle

>and thats not taking into account the amount of weirdos who just walk, or the city retards who take an uber everywhere
I hae car and a moped and a bicycle and yet I still freiquently take the trolley or walk places because I live in an actually free part of the country where it's entirely my choice hat I choose to do
Enjoy your singular option but do not force it upon me
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>>1701585
Lol enjoy getting cucked by petty crime
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>>1700921
I get my groceries home on an electric scooter
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>>1702268
This. Buy a 10 year Japanese econobox and put basic insurance on it. I bike to work but I still keep my Honda Fit because it costs so little to own.
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>>1707806
If you don't sell drugs, buy drugs, or get in the way of either of those things, it's unlikely you'll have a problem unless you're an irresistible asshole
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>>1708079
Cities have the most incidences of cope per km2
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>>1708100
Sorry you're so scared
I regularly walk between 52n'd and Market down to Chester after midnight with zero problems and I'm a manlet
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>>1701572
>>1701128
It's less than 10 minutes in car. It's pretty short
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My parents live in a 1960s suburb. It’s generally a good place but to get to the grocery store you’ve got to drive several minutes to get out of the neighborhood and onto the freeway, then on the freeway for several minutes. Drivers tend to underestimate the time spent driving or the distance traveled.
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>>1708106
>I regularly walk between 52n'd and Market down to Chester
Alright Mr. Big Shot save some walking for the rest of us
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>>1708121
This, walking a half mile takes 15 minutes. Plus you have to do it carrying all of your groceries home so probably longer on the way back.
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>>1708133
This is why according to studies, urban residents spend more time grocery shopping than suburban residents.
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>>1700921
I was able to stock up on a few months worth of supplies with mine at the start of the pandemic. It wasn't an ideal ride home but since it was only a mile and a half on low-traffic side streets and dedicated bike lanes it was doable.
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>>1707003
They have Wawa in Florida for some reason, so probably there.
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>>1701579
Someone doesn't live in delaware...
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>>1708131
I'm just saying if I'm not worried there, you have no reason to be worried anywhere, and I'm a massive manlet

>>1708134
WHich is why you build a city around walking, not cars. No shit it takes forever to walk along 45mph roads with no sidewalks.
I could run without stopping to several grocery stores if for some insane reason the corner shops don't have what I need.
Again, if you want to drive that's on you, but don't make it everyone elses' problem because your fat and shortdicked

>>1708133
Right, which is why I , as a free American, am against zoning laws that don't allow for what I want, what we used to have, what was robbed from you in the name of car profit

>>1708338
Thank fucking GOD
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>>1708357
>I'm just saying if I'm not worried there
I don't know where the fuck you are and don't care, you're peacocking as manlet cope
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>>1708360
I'm not the one pissing at my mom's PC, bud, I'm out there in West Philly after dark.
You're more of a pussy than a manlet?

You guys just have an insane idea what city living is like.
I've been to nearly every state in the union, ya haven't.
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>>1708367
Napoleon complex: the post
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>>1708368
Bud, I'm out there, you're not.
End of.
I'll know if you ever grow balls and move out here from the wafting piss smell
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>>1708370
Already lived in 3 large cities, not doing that shit again. Keep coping for living in a shithole
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>>1708372
There’s more to life than money.
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>>1708371
Don't lie on the internet
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I think a lot of the people who defend urban environments are just coping because they’re forced to live there for work, but in actuality cities, and more specifically high density areas, are pretty bad for your mental health.

This Ted talk pretty much hit the nail on the head, and it was pretty mind blowing the first time I heard it.

https://youtu.be/chmRjQP8-e0
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>>1708372
>>1708385
i fucking wish 4chan would stop talking with infographics and screenshots like redditards and instead came up with their own fucking words.
yes dude car dependence sucks but so do your fucking stupid canned reddit collages
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>>1708134
>predicted activity time
okay, so how did their model perform
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>>1700870
Gotta love the morons that defend their slavery. Imagine being trapped in a grid suburb maze that requires stressful boring long trips by car to get anywhere necessary.
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>>1708403
Nah it's fine
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>>1702062
Yes I’ve noticed that. They buy a massive vehicle for the .0001% of the time they might need it.
When I grocery shop I don’t get more than 1 reusable bag’s worth of stuff.
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>>1700921
>monthly transit pass
>$100
its not even like that in europe, unless its bus only
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>>1700854
>tfw no dacha
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>>1702139
>loren ipsum
esl
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>drive to supermarket
>Buy more eggs than I can carry at the supermarket once a week
>drive home
>Never have to worry about getting robbed on the way home
>Never have to worry about the chickens getting killed by foxes or disease or whatever
>Never run out.
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>>1704859
A book is meant to be enjoyed over a few days or more, a meme is meant to be enjoyed for ten seconds before moving on to the next. If memes are a source of information for you then get off the internet and unfuck your brain.
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>>1700819
i did read it all and it was quite enjoyable. 9/10 meme
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>>1708154
oh, they're in florida because huge numbers of northeasterners either vacation in or retire to florida, and so they're capitalizing on the name recognition. Same thing as Daiso and Lawson opening stores on Oahu.
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>>1701216
brussel sprouts have been bred to be less bitter that whale has no excuse
just slather them in olive oil and roast them on a baking sheet
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>>1708372
Where is this $500B figure coming from? Assuming this retard is talking about ALL oil subsidies, oil affects more than cars, it also affects power, jet fuel, kerosene, chemicals, wax, jet fuel, and a bunch of other stuff, and considering the vast logistic network that relies on the stuff, it would only make consumer goods and food that much more expensive. To say nothing that most urbanites pay a $12k a year minimum on housing that they don't actually own and will never own. (The defense of this is "b-b-but you pay mortgage" which isn't nearly a 1:1 comparison since it means that you'll be never be evicted because the land value is too high, or having to follow a laundry list of bullshit rules and regulations).
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>>1700788
It's supposed to be a wordy meme. That's the joke retard.
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>>1708773
Honolulu Lawson actually shut down a couple years ago, but I get your point.
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>>1700767
> Wawa is an actual store name in the US
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>>1709800
It gets sillier than that actually
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>>1708589
That's the exact same as the city except you get to decide how many times you want to visit the store

>>1709800
Wawa is an English-ized Native American word for the goose, our mascot
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>>1700767
rent free
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>>1708979
>wordy
>meme

Get the fuck off this site retard
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>>1710106
im sorry what's stopping me form deciding how often I visit a store?
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>>1701703
They make money off of suckers who buy a membership and then never shop there
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leftists hate suburbs because they're filled with white people.
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>>1711015
>>>/pol/
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>>1701711
buying for the week isn't bulk.
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>>1700767
The next day on my way back from work buy eggs, simple.
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>>1700767
Proofread your shit
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>>1702070
I bet you support mandatory vaccination faggot
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>>1711015
Its not 1970 anymore, some of the most diverse counties in the country are suburban, and the suburbs swung heavily to the left in 2020. When i think of places white people live, i think small towns, rural, and gentrified trendy places like Brooklyn. Most suburbs of major metros are just multiculti consoom deserts
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>>1700808
right wingers tend to be more successful than a bunch of indoctrinated internet lefties.
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>>1704859
The left really can't meme.





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