What if instead of cars people rode mopeds and bicycles everywhere?
>>1681949photochemical smog, worse than you expect
>>1681949theres a lot of places that do that already, not everywhere is uk/us
>>1681949>What if instead of cars people rode mopeds and bicycles everywhere?honestly the result would be no traffic jams
Imagine the smell
Go on a street view tour of Indonesia. I always thought Indonesian second-tier cities except with trams inside and rail between would be /n/ as fuck.
>>1681949Don't, you'll regret it. >t. Indonesian
>>1681949Makes perfect sense, take up way less room than cars, easy to electrify, mass adoption would basically negate the safety concerns due to increased visibility. There’s literally no downsides. But naturally it will never happen because it makes too much sense.
>>1681949are you saying as a personal vehicle only?what about blue collar workers or someone hauling shit
>>1681949everybody is more healty and more happy
>mopedsTraffic would actually become louder and stinkier instead of quieter and cleaner. Those things are fucking awful in any context besides saving space.
>>1682043>awkward body position>awkward hand grip>struggling facial expression>rolls up pants but not far enough for it to make any difference>helmet, and the wrong one at thatSpot the German.
>>1682049Not if they’re electric, which most people would pick over gas anyways due to no fuel costs, basically no maintenance, better performance.
>>1682043None of them look happy.
>>1682059I don't know where you live, but where I live even fewer moped users than car users have private parking space and a private charging opportunity. These things cannot reliably be kept topped up if they're street parked. Also electric ones are still kinda expensive and still only make up a fraction of all mopeds. In fact the only ones that hold their value or even go up in value with age are these noisy, fuming heaps of shit from socialist times because they have no speed limiter.
>>1682066If you wanna make some money, develop and electric moped that has a quick release battery so that people can just pop it off when they park and bring it inside and charge. Boom, problem solved.
>>1682043>City of COPEnhagen
>>1682059More like not if they're four strokes.
>>1681949Being stuck in a pack of commuters on slow as fuck city-bikes riding like grannies to their wage-cage is by far the worst experience I have ever had when cycling. So to answer OP's dumb question, it would suck major nigger balls. Imagine something you own and love being turned into a normie-tier activity, that you are forced to share with insufferable normies.>look at anon over there on that weird drop-bar bike>how uncomfortable he must be>what is the point if you can't ride faster than 10kph anyway>he doesn't even have a comfort saddle>how's he going to do shopping without a basket in front>why would you even need a derailleur in the city?
>>1682105So just put motors on all of their bikes
>>1682105>Imagine something you own and love being turned into a normie-tier activity, that you are forced to share with insufferable normies.I can relate to that as a car owner.
>>1681949>mopeds everywhereIndonesia>bicycles everywhereThe Netherlands
>>1682245moped is based
>>1682245Netherlands actually still has a problem with mopeds, and worse yet they're allowed to use bike paths.
I live in Taipei so am well versed in living in scooter hell.This is not something to be desired.
>>1682043Looks like a traffic jam to me.Mopeds and scooters are the worst though. They should be outlawed, if anything.
>>1681949small engines are less efficient
>>1683152Is that what your FIVE LIDDER VEE AITE MOWDER dealer has been telling you?
>>1682105>why would you even need a derailleur in the city?If you live in Knoxville you need to change gears
>>1682105ride on suburban roads or the countryside, inner cities are never a nice place to cycle if you gotta go fast
>>1681949>>1682043what do they do when it rains?
>>1682043why are they all so sad :(
>>1681949It is the case where I live. It's pretty nice.
>>1683422wear a poncho
>>1683422they just get on with life, rain doesn't kill you
>>1683152>pushing a 100-200kg bike+rider is less efficient than pushing a 2 ton car???
Oh God please no>t. Saigon
>>1683573dont we call it ho chi minh now
>>1681949It'd be funny to see fat americans on scooters. Yes I want the circus to be in town year round.
>>1683551Do you have a job? What do you do when you arrive soaking wet from the rain? Or soaking wet from sweat during summer? During summer we have 30C mornings and 40C afternoons.>>1683495Anything short of pic related would get you wet.
>>1683654are you fucking retarded, have you ever been outside before
>>1683657tell me how to not get wet while biking in this without wearing that yellow vest or something similar. fucking retard
>>1683660Ask a brit, they seem to manage.
>>1683660>>1683662In Taiwan, peeps step into a one-piece rainsuit.
>>1683660what if theres a tornado, what if its a hurricane, how are you getting to work you retarded monkey lets think of the worst possible scenario and try to get to work. if its light to moderate rain a rain jacket works fine and if you have fenders it's like its not raining at all. If it's fucking pouring you are going to get soaked the 2 seconds you are getting in and out of your car too. Worst case scenario you get wet, and its fucking pouring so people get wet you fat fucking retarded faggot.
>>1683666>what if theres a tornado, what if its a hurricane, how are you getting to workOK Now you're just being silly, little boy. If there's a Tornado, you don't go to work, you go to the tornado shelter. And I don't know what kind of stupid you are but I stay home during hurricane winds. Now, back to Peppa Pig, you underage ban you!
>>1683662>>1683665so exactly what I showed here >>1683654 and had this >>1683657 moron sperg out?>>1683666fucking cunt torrential rain is VERY common here during the rainy season from december to march. after that we have several nice months before we get heat waves starting from may. who's the one not getting out of his house now? or do you live in a paradise where it doesn't rain and also never gets hot?
>>1683554You're confusing efficiency and effectivity.
>>1681949lol that picture was taken 2 blocks from my old house, q1 tp HCM. i miss my bun thit nuong lady
Why do SEAsians like scooters so much? What makes them worse than cars?
>>1682105>look at anon over there on that weird drop-bar bike>how uncomfortable he must be>what is the point if you can't ride faster than 10kph anyway>he doesn't even have a comfort saddle>how's he going to do shopping without a basket in front>why would you even need a derailleur in the city?So basically /n/ in a nutshell?
Traffic would be better and saferIn the US we can get a nice mix of bikes/scooters/cars/buses etc.
>>1683756No, you're confusing it. Effectiveness is the measure of accomplishing a goal. Efficiency is the measure of consuming energy and material in the process. Driving is potentially more effective than cycling depending on the environment and load parameters, but in any given scenario it's less efficient.
>>1681949>Imagine running these people over on the streets of Chicago.Duck, if only.
>>1683813>Why do SEAsians like scooters so much?Dirt cheap and don't take up much space, also way easier to use as a daily vehicle in a climate that never snows
>>1683835yeah, as soon as assault SUVs are banned
>>1682105If the whole street was given over to bikes, you'd have plenty of room to go around them instead if having to share the same 6" sliver of space.
>>1683682imagine being this afraid of the weatheroh no I'm gonna get wet, oh no I'm gonna sweat, give me a breakI hope at least you're old as fuck
>>1683860Not really, driving is far more efficient if looking at Kg moved per amount of Fuel used. Only question is if the dead weight of it's own body is low enough to off-set feasibility of items that actually needed to be transported.And if you're looking at the amount of waste products and fine dust produced per litre of fuel, driving will always be far more efficient. A lot of cities straight up don't allow old mopeds because they produce 50 times more toxic fumes than a heavier but cleaner car. Thus without knowing what his actual goal was it's hard to say.
>>1683654>Do you have a job?Look at the photo. Do you think any of them have real job? Looks liek only guy in a suit have job and he looks absolutely miserable>>1682049Electric mopeds. FFS its 2021.
>>1682245>>bicycles everywhere>The NetherlandsNot really.
>>1683991Yes, we know electric is the future, that is why we said 'old' mopeds. Don't know if everyone can afford or use them in developing countries at the moment. China should be pretty easy though.
>>1683998>Don't know if everyone can afford or use them in developing countries at the moment.Gas mopeds cost about as much as electric mopeds (or mopeds disguised as e-bikes) but electric "fuel" costs about nothing. In other areas electric can be questionable but in moped form factor its already won.
>>1681949okay anon, enjoy 5 hours of biking to work
>>1684016Not talking about purchase cost, remember you need to have fast charging posts everywhere and an entire infratstructure to swap batteries. Especially people who use it frequently and with long distance will be plauged by downtime, as it is their one and only transportation that is used for everything rather than just side-trips. Then there is of course theft, stealing batteries is easy money. Imagine having electric mopeds in south america or africa while having to live in poor areas, say goodbye to your investment.
I lived in Shenzhen and I saw people commute in these multiple times.
>>1684048>Not talking about purchase cost, remember you need to have fast charging posts everywhere and an entire infratstructure to swap batteries. No you don't.Entire point of the detachable battery (great and simple invention btw) that you just take into home or office and charge from standard outlet over hours of work or night. This is the point of e-scooters exploding development in China and replacing bicycles. Scooter sized e-things need zero new electric infrastructure. It's not electric car.Also it's easy to "upgrade" to longer range if need arises , just take spare battery. Courier type use also works great with them, when you ride around spare battery chargers at your place. E-scoots only need legal recognition (in China regulated e-scoots are bicycles in legal terms)As for stealing things that is not different from stealing a bike.
>>1684145China is a developed nation which manufacters everything itself for global competition and offers subsidies to domestic production. You can't compare that to most south-east countries and certainly not Africa and South America.Your assumption is the scooters/mopeds are used in the same way you do with acess capital. A poor person in a poor country doesn't have the money to maintain spare batteries on standby and moments of charging might be sparse. I doubt most of these people have access to their own private garages with an electric output. And parking them on the street means leaving yourself open for your electric to be jacked.The theft is very different and based on supply and demand. Nobody wants to steal gasoline mopeds because there is more supply than demand, they have been produced for over 70 years and the market is satured with pre-owned and fix-up wrecks. In addition the batteries are very valueable while having a very low weight and being easy to transport. Perfect to sell underhanded and non-identifiable, in worst case you can just scrap it for the minerals inside it. For the price of a single battery you can already buy a second hand gasoline moped.
>>1682331>Looks like a traffic jam to me.Non of them have a foot on the ground, they are all in motion, how is that a jam?
>>168399027% modal share is a pretty big deal. Especially considering how it's more than walking and still much more than transit.
>>1683991I saw these piece of shit ebikes, are so slow it hurts also they all have crash bars because they are so packed its a bumper cars competiotion.
>>1684195Based, swap out all e-moped for e-bumper cars, literal mario kart to your destination. I'd prefer that one.
>>1684203Based supermario movie enjoyer.
>>1684195That is feature not a bug. These scooters specifically throttled down to 25km/h. They are replacing bicycle. You can imagine how retared is average bicycle normie rider without driving license. So without driving license escooters are limited to speeds average normie can reach using bicycle.This is very smart move.
I’d like to see more small vehicles in LA, it would help with traffic.
>>1683998Electric scooters are super popular in Asia
>>1683969I'm not afraid to get wet, it is just impossible to arrive at my office soaking wet when we don't have showers, locker rooms, or changing rooms. I have to enter a lobby, stand with 10 other people in an elevator while wet, arrive in our offices, go into the bathroom and change (should I be carrying dry clothes with me all the time?), all the while making everything around me wet.Your monkey little brain doesn't seem to grasp how rainy it gets where I live, and doing a commute on a bike without wearing a well insulated rainsuit will get you wet as if you just fell into a swimming pool. I don't even know why I reply to you, you talk like an actual underage idiot who probably lives in California where it mostly has comfortable weather.
>>1684183He's obviously an idiot. Yeah most Dutch people won't take the bicycle to ride 30 km to work, nor will they use it to pull their camper van when going on holiday or when visiting grandma 100 km away, big fucking deal.Everyone who's ever been in the Netherlands in the last 30 years knows that bikes are fucking everywhere, I doubt that poster even owns a passport though.
>>1685674Wow sounds awful good thing it never rains in the Netherlands or Denmark
>>1683654I have a job and I take off my rain suit at the parking lot. It goes over your clothes, you don't have to strip naked to take it off. I also commute on my e-bike so I don't get sweaty to the office.I don't get it, what is so hard about preparing for the weather? You speak as if absolutely no one had experienced rain on their way to work.
>>1683813>why do people who earn $2,000 a year prefer a $1,000 scooter over a $15,000 car?
>>1686254Then it's a poverty issue. You drive a scooter instead of a car, not because you like it, but because you can't afford better.
>>1683666>what if theres a tornado, what if its a hurricaneWhere the fuck do you live?
>>1682071Most people are weak and can't lug around a 70 pound battery. Energy density is a bitch and lithium kinda sucks compared to gas if you want reasonable range. Since I live out country/small town and communt 18 miles to a small city, when I take personal transport I stick with a bike because battery power, cost, and reliability for that range is kind of absurd compared to just a bowl of oats and leaving 20 minutes earlier. Just sucks when it's windy or rainy is all. Those are the times I wish I had a motor. I would get one of those motorized gas powered bikes if I actually knew how to maintain them,. but engines over my head and they are super maintenance heavy.
>>1683654When they cut the buses due to lockdowns I had to commute by bike every day rain or shine. I just changed in the bathroom and brought spare cloths and a rain suit. Thought the pants always got ripped on the seat after a few rides. Usually rode in gym shorts and a beat up t-shirt when it was hot. Board short and T with hiking sandals and rain gear when it rained. Really ain't a big deal. It takes like 5 minutes to freshen up and change. Florida weather, so really fucking hot and it rained really fucking hard. Only hard to deal with part is I wear glasses so my visibility goes down to near zero during hard downpours.
>>1683665I got to get me one of those suits.
>>1684040Why would someone commute 60+ miles every day even with a car?
>>1686697because they were too retarded to get a job near their home