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What the fuck was his problem? Did he hate New York?
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He literally did nothing wrong
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He was addicted to power, and probably sold out to oil/car lobbyists and special interest groups. His whole life was about consolidating power and expanding big government bureaucracy.
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>>1680834
But in doing so he did nothing wrong. People wanted cars and highways to use them on.
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>>1680832
He was just an ambitious man who saw the next wave of economic development and used it to catapult his own career. If he had started his career in the cold war he probably would have happily been a Kissinger instead.

That said, he can't be blamed for the rise of the car, he was just riding the wave of car culture into power. He got powerful by giving State and City politicians who appointed him what they wanted (or what they thought they wanted), through methods they didn't want to get caught resorting to.
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I find this era of American planning amazing. Really shows how csr-dependency came about because of government forcing it on people, not consumer preference.
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>>1680832
he was a narcissist
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>>1680844
>methods they didn't want to get caught resorting to
>did nothing wrong
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>>1680981
Never said he did nothing wrong, stuff like deliberately lowering bridge clearances do that buses couldn't access his parkways was acknowledged an act of spite, as well as the ways he shafted black neighborhoods.
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>>1680961
“The city is no place to raise a child” “packed like rats” “dirty town” our very language of the mid-late 20th century was geared towards suburban living. It went beyond the government to the whole culture, from film and TV (from Green Acres to depictions of 70s New York). The idea was that transit was dirty, cars were clean and let you move from a hostile rat den into a friendly community. There was money involved, an unspoken fear of atomic weapons and tinges of racism, sexism and a fear of easily filled public squares. Wide highways were great for munitions transport and less destroyable than rail lines
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>>1680961

Incorrect, personal mobility prior to the automobile meant walking for most people, or riding a streetcar if you lived in select cities. People could not wait to have their own motorized transport and leave the filthy, overcrowded cities where they lived.
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>>1680836
people wanted to have their neighborhoods bulldozed to put up an elevated expressway, in fact they demanded it
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>>1681004
They indeed did.
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>>1680990
A lot of Robert Moses’ philosophy was rooted in early 20th century Progressivism. Cities were full of crowded slums and the masses needed parks and mobility to get away from the squalor. The subways had actually been doing a very good job of enabling people to live in the outer boroughs with nicer dwellings but Moses went all in with cars and highways.
He was a reformer, from an affluent German Jewish family that looked down on Eastern European Jews who came straight from the shetls to the Lower East Side. He had good intentions at first to uplift the masses via public works but eventually it became a nightmare world of highways blasted through stable neighborhoods and hellish high rise public housing, and he became a spiteful power hungry monster.
When I lived in Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, an old Irish cop and fireman neighborhood, any mention of Moses to the old timers would set off bitter rants about the Prospect Expressway that sliced their quiet neighborhood in half.
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>>1680990
Yeah but Nj, westchester and long island are nicer to raise a family in. Would you trust the NYC public school system? Only the highschools are good. (Because you test in)
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>>1681004
People fought against Robert Moses's neighborhood destruction plans, but he consolidated so much power he quite often forced people out of their homes and razed neighborhoods.
That was normal for 60s-70s-era planning. Only later did they realize it was a dumb idea and it didn't help the economy. The philosophy was called "urban renewal" but it typically accelerated neighborhood decline.

To answer the OP question, I think Robert Moses just wanted to be enshrined somehow and memorialized ,and he knew if he gained a lot of power he could force the government to build something in his memory.
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>>1680990
Anon, New York City in the 1970s (and by extension other urban areas) WERE dirty shitholes. The one upshot of that era compared to today is when you could get away with shooting four blacks who tried to rob you in the subway and not be condemned as a racist.
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>>1680836
You can sell people on their own mother's arrest if you're eloquent enough.
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>>1681000
Is that why GM bought up so many streetcar networks and tore them down to replace them with diesel buses despite people preferring the streetcar and in part even protesting the change when they caught wind of it?
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>>1681809
>Preferring the streetcar
Hard to keep a preference when the streetcar companies were already going bankrupt by the late 1910s.
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>>1681815
Roads are necessary for business supply chains and essential services. Public transit serves the same purpose that bird scooters do. They’re not the same.
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>>1681819
Public transit is necessary for efficient, liveable urban environments. Unless you want Houston to be the role model for every city.
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>>1681819
>for business supply chains
Businesses don't operate with no workers. Do you think the millions of retail and service workers in cities can afford to live in the expensive downtown core to be able to walk to their minimum wage jobs? No, they need to commute in and public transit is the way to do it. Moving your workers to your store is just as important as moving your wares and products in.
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>>1681804
You're mixing up your time frames anon, Moses was already on his way out in the 70s. When Moses was reaching the apex of his power in the 40s and 50s the city and the subways wasn't far from its golden age, and it was Moses who helped hasten their decline, culminating the city hitting rock bottom with bankruptcy and the vast rolling back of sanitation services in the 70s.

That said, Moses was not the dastardly mastermind behind white flight, he merely facilitated their way out in a way that hobbled those who chose to remain (as well as those who had just arrived). He could have no more held back the migration than he could have stopped the tides.
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>>1681822
I've lived in Houston and I've lived in New York, and I'll take Houston traffic every time
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>>1681938
Retard, Houston isn't even a fraction of New York's population.
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>>1681942
That’s probably why it’s better, because it’s not a city based around packing as many people as possible into the smallest space possible
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>>1681819
>Roads are necessary for business supply chains and essential services.
So was freight rail, but that got nothing in the way of federal subsidies over the same time period, while being hampered by the ICC.

Nor does it follow that designing the built environment entirely around moving automobiles anywhere at high speed was necessary.
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It's funny how control freak YIMBYs idolize Jane Jacobs and villainize Robert Moses when Jane Jacobs was the ultimate NIMBY and Robert Moses was all about destroying communities, just like what the YIMBYs want
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>>1682067
Freight rail carries bulk raw supplies like coal, chemicals, vehicles, grain, or other similar items, and have to do bulk chaining because most of the logistics network relies on smaller items that are easier to load and unload. Even in their prime, the number of freight spurs wasn't nearly as agile as truck docks and smaller factories.
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>>1681819

Then get commuters off the road to free up more space for trucks and emergency vehicles.
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>>1680832
2.6 million acres of public parks, 13 bridges, almost 500 playgrounds. Made Long Island an accessible suburb in the postwar era, transforming it from what had been duck and potato farms and a playground for the wealthy.

Was his vision of urban planning for NYC and its suburbs discriminatory against the poor and ethnic minorities? Did he raze entire neighborhoods and have a hard-on for cars and white flight? Sure. But his legacy is much more complicated than low parkway bridges.
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>>1681804
The heavy suburbanization of the '40s-'60s preceded and contributed to the utter collapse of most American cities in the '70s and beyond.
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>>1680832
His last name should tell you everything you need to know
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>>1684067
Hmm do I want to live in a crowded city with constant noise, shared public green space, crime, where most people can only afford to rent, or

Do I want to literally own my own home with a nice yard I can do anything with, that's in an area with low crime, good schools, almost no noise, and not have to wait on buses and trains to get around in?

Easy question.
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>>1684029

to me this is very similar to the situation with andrew jackson and the trail of tears

the country is a democracy and demanded westward expansion. if he wouldn't do it, they would have elected someone who would.
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>>1684209
yes, material circumstances are the primary driving force of history
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>>1680990
>“The city is no place to raise a child”
Absolute truth. TFR of city dwellers in developed countries hovers around 1.0. city population is not sustainable phenomenon it can only maintain numbers with migration.
Only population strata in the developed countries that have TFR above 2.0 is US white conservative suburbia.
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Just another big government control freak, like everyone who supports car-dependency.



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