focs'le editionprevious >>1662079
>>1680089Still not posting the sticky in the OP because you’re a schizo, editionhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfJknMp1KS2W8lOFB36nl6uJOjpAVIkm/view
>https://vimeopro.com/jcraftboats/j-craft/video/73564930How does /n/ feel about luxury runabouts?
Any maritime vidya /mg/ can recommend?
>>1680131>3 million truck driving sims>3 million flight sims>not 1 (one) decent MV simthis is the world we live in
>>1680131>>1680135VSTEP is taking their sweet ass time getting Nautis Home released. It’s supposed to be a port of their professional mission simulator so hopefully it’s good. Your only option for a simulator that’s kind of worth a shit at the moment is shipsim extremes also by VSTEP, but that game is ancient and also full of bugs. Pic is a screen grab from the professional Nautis simulator website https://www.vstepsimulation.com/nautis-simulator/?cn-reloaded=1
What's life like on a tug boat?Contemplating asking for an internship at a tug boat company here in Germany to consider whether or not seafaring would be a decent career for me.
>>1680135Because then you would put every marine college for deckies out on their ass not to mention the security concerns of sharing port information to pirates>>1680104Hey tug, when ever you get done dragging a barge out of some stinky bayou in niggerleans, pay a visit to the greatest tug handlers in the world up on the great lakes. We'll teach you a thing or two about tug boat. You know we got your boy theodore tug working the lakes right now.
>>1680140It entirely depends on if youre on a harbor tug or an ocean tug/line hauler.harbor tug youre throwing lines all day and climbing up the side of barges and rotting old docks, lots of cowboy type real deckhand shit. Not much actual seafaring in the sense of going out in the big blue and riding the waves.Ocean tugs are the reverse. Not a lot of handling lines except making and breaking tow. Maybe you paint if the weather is good. otherwise you find little projects to keep you busy but its all make work. Long periods at sea without communication, trapped in a small metal box. The ocean will fuck with you; lack of sleep, hard to eat in rough seas, hard to shower or shit. But its also a pretty easy life once you get accustomed to the routine.
>>1680176what's the crew on an ocean tug
>>1680188On my boat, six men.CaptainChief engineer First mateSecond mateCook/deckhand Deckhand/wiper
>>1680176What about coastal tugs?
>>1680166Holy shit the great lakes posters are the most obnoxious posters. What a bunch of actual faggots overcompensating for the fact that they're stuck on the lakes. Funny story, a TV production crew worked in our tug fleet for a week filming a pilot for a reality show. They didn't continue with it because the film was so boring, because we're actually good at our jobs. I guess they found a ratchet group of dipshits on the lakes and filmed them. If you want a show to laugh and cringe at self important know nothing seamen like this poster here, look up Great Lakes Warriors.
>>1680406lol you wouldn't last 2 minutes when the gales of november come early, fagt
I bet none of you deck monkeys can even use a sextant
>>1680439Yeah huh....So, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, or is it unintentional? I don't kinkshame, buddy, if degradation does it for you, more power to you.
>>1680444wow, did the SUNYbabby get off a-half of his second class cruise already? you're so superior for knowing how to stare at the sun. may I suck you off?
>>1680445shoo shoo strawman poster
How bad are Coast Guard physicals? Like are they going to need to draw blood or urine samples or is it like DMV where they only check your eyes and teeth.
>>1680716they take your piss and multiply whatever you answer for how much you drink in a week by 10
My relief gets here in three days
>>1680444I bet you're a faggot
>>1680716Piss test, unless you've already taken care of it. Vision test, hearing test, hernia check, range of motion check. That's it unless you have a glaring medical issue.
>>1680131yeah, take a BRM class with a teacher you like. Kino holodeck experience
>>1680829>Piss test, unless you've already taken care of it.The piss test is only for checking for drugs right?
I've been cucked out of education for a year due to covid and I'm getting interested in a career with maritime.Is there any way I can use this year to get some training or sea time in before I return back to my studies?From what I can see there is only 3/4-year long training courses and apprenticeshipsUK btw
>>1681153What else are you afraid of anon?You can tell your good ol’ friends
>>1681202you'll have to drop a few thousand just on the certs to work as a deck hand
>>1681153If it's an SMC test then I think they check your urine for any kidney problems and that sort of stuff. Although I'm not American so I don't know
>>1681340so i’m best off just working in retail slavery this year and start training when i graduate
>>1680131>>1680135We always look forward to a nautical simulator, yes. But what about engine room simulators? Imagine an engineering game in which you maintain the operation of a ship or factory and have to deal with wacky situations like monsters or aliens attacking your vessel. It doesn't even have to be maritime related, it could be space related as well. I would play the shit out of that.
Anyone taken any interesting pictures while out on the water lately?
>>1681483That would actually be pretty cool game. Would need to be timed challenges and have progressive failures if you dont meet the timeline or make a mistake. Too many mistakes and you die or the ship is lost.As a marine engineer myself, I have far less options for engineer training than wheelhouse officers. There are no engine room simulator facilities on the west coast, I have to fly to Florida to go to MPT and use theirs.
stuff from work
>>1681275>>1681369I may or may not be Type II diabetic, so I dont want to be rejected from sea faring because of it.
>>1681610You dont belong at sea if you have a medical condition that could cause you to go into a coma and die.
>>1681617Don't be so dramatic, lil bitch. There are so many fat diabetic fucks who do just fine.
how do you unvaxxed seafarers deal with covid and stuff? Do the vaxxed on board hate you?
>>1681610hide/deny everything about your health
>>1681648Shut your cockhole, swab. Fat boomers who seek out corrupt medical assessors so that they can postpone retirement are a liability to the ship and the crew. Type 2 diabetics are the most despicable because their gluttony literally caused them to develop a life threatening disease, which can be reversed by simply not eating like shit, but they’d rather keep injecting sheep liver extracts and shoveling carbs. We both know that fatty fat fat up there asking if he can be merchant marine won’t bother to go through with it anyway.
I worked for a legal marijuana company a few years ago, what are the odds i get kicked out of the MSC? Already got a job offer
>>1681593>>1681594>>1681598>>1681601Where and on what do you work, anon?This engine rooms looks at best marginally younger than my parents.Some vintage polish trawler?
>>1681594nice main engine sneed
>>1681774I don't know, how do your coworkers feel about working with someone with AIDs?
why the fuck is school so hard but working onboard so easy?
how viable is it to singlehand a 40-60ft sailboat?im thinking of a bruce roberts steel hull because if I have a stick welder with me I could fix any problems in any weather
>>1682151Lol when you crash into one of the containers i dumped in the ocean, you can weld it onto your hull
>>1681833I cant see why they would care. Your personal history is irrelevant as long as you dont have a criminal record and arent currently pissing hot.
>a whole thread full of semenlel
guys can you watch my ship for a secondno funny business pls
I'm halfway through my cadetship (engine) in the UK and I'm shitting bricks at the thought of the job search that awaits me after I finish, if I can even find a job at sea. Do any western euros have advice to help me feel like I haven't made a terrible mistake by going down this path?
>>1682446Job searches suck.
>>1682446lol wtf how do you have enough seatime to graduate if you haven't been working?
>>168215140-60ft boats must be fucking expensive to maintain
Is the industry desperate for new hires right now?
>>1682608>niche industry>high turnover>hard workyes and it will be forever
should I get a steam deck for when i'm chilling in my cabin?
>>1682446There are a lot of jobs for uk residents or with uk certificates especially in the offshore sector.
on my way to airport to fly to cairo, maybe I'll get one full day in hotel before joining in suez. this time i really don't want to go back to my floating wage cage. it felt so good to do nothing all day but fucking pajeet had to do the needful and requested me to join
>>1681483you can download tanker engine room simulator from kongsberg at seatracker.ru not the most recent one but still pretty good
>>1682633My work at sea is mostly so retard easy, with 16 hours of free time per day and I make 4 times as much money as I did on land. If you don’t advance yourself past the hard work positions in a few years, you deserve to be a deckhand forever
Washington state ferries is hiring on call OS and AB. Great job if you’re absolutely possess no ambition and just want a steady government paycheck and union bennies.
>>1681574Haven't been on the water since April, but I had some good ones.
>>1682856Buying a DSLR was the best decision I ever made.
>>1682858Silhouetting is admittedly photography ezmodo.
>>1682870Alright that's enough spam for now, but I'll end with the picture I'm most proud of even if it isn't as visually stunning as some of the others. I'd been trying for 10 years to capture a green flash, and I finally did it on a day I didn't expect to see one. The conditions were perfect, and I had the right settings on my camera. At the time I was pissed because I'd been on 6s for a week because the C/M had to fuck around with a fucked up ballast valve, but looking back on it I'd do it again for this shot.the OT helped too, of course.
>>1682873The colors in this reminds me of pic related I took in Panama a few years agoHow shit were the car carriers? I hear the pay kinda sucks, what union were you with?
>>1682886I'm with MEBA. Liberty is the lowest-paying contract we have, but it's not really THAT bad. The company are cheapskates for sure, and they overwork their mates, but I still make decent cash. Definitely more than I would with ARC. The worst part is the run. I fucking hate going to the Middle East and the Far East. Everyone loves the Northern Europe run for a reason.
I need working shoes with an oil resistant sole and steel cap. What should I pay attention to when buying these kind of shoes?
I'm interested in maritime work but wondering, are there jobs where you're not at sea for months at a time?
>>1682904I can understand not liking the Middle East but What’s the issue with the Far East?Or is it just the mind numbing long runs across the pacific?>>1682912I currently have keen’s and I like them, had thoroughgoods and they were garbage>>1682920Your best bet is harbor tugs that usually do 7 days on/off, some crew boats do 14/14 and most offshore tugs and OSV’s do either 28/14 or 28/28I’ve heard dredges do a 21/21 but don’t know anyone in the industry to confirm that
>>1682922How hard is it to get a deckhand job on a harbor tug without prior experience? I'm in Seattle for references
>>1682922>What’s the issue with the Far East?The fishing fleets. Absolute fucking nightmares for collision avoidance. It's not just the Chinese; the Korean fleets are just as fucking bad since they fish in the TSS lanes off the Korean coast like assholes.
>>1682927From my experience in seattle i never got a call back from any freighter or harbor/inland tug here or around the world. The ferry thing the guy above mentioned looked good to me but im already doing sealift command
>>1682927You absolute nigger. I just said WSF is hiring ENTRY LEVEL DECKHANDs.You won’t make it anywhere you retard.
>>1682981Am dipshit who didn't know what the acronyms OS and AB mean in context. Is it likely they'd still be hiring by the time I got my OS you think?
>>1683009You start out as an OS just need a twic card and apply for it
>>1682922>I currently have keen’s and I like them, had thoroughgoods and they were garbageDo you have a low model? What makes your current work shoes better?
>>1682981>imfuckingplying"Entry Level" in the maritime industry can mean lots of shit, asshole. Just because they're hiring OS' doesn't mean they're hiring green deckhands who don't have any experience on the water whatsoever. This isn't the SIU where an OS is an OS is an OS; they very well could have specified some prior experience even for an OS. Which is why he *asked*.
>>1682981I'm starting to understand the gcaptain boomerwaffen
>>1683009no you're ok, we've just had a sudden influx of greenfags. desu I'd like more /n/iggers to join the industry
>>1683014It does though. Considering it takes only 360 days to get an AB special, anyone who’s worked more than one year at sea should not be an OS anymore unless they’re a low agency moron. Also I’ve never seen any position listed as entry level that then required experience. I’ve actually seen plenty listening specifically saying NOT ENTRY LEVEL for deckhands or cooks.Washington state ferries does big hiring call outs several times per year depending on need. They do hire greenhorns, because they’re not gonna be flooded with applications from experienced ABs for $20/hr. It’s one of the best ways to get into the industry without going to school, in my opinion.You can work there long enough to get an AB limited which is good for near coastal jobs, or you can dig yourself into the state union a like tick and make a career out of the WSF, maybe become a mate if you have any agency at all. >>1683019Yeah. Nobody is reading the sticky/guide, people coming in and asking questions without reading the thread or doing any prior research, constant “hey can I sail to Singapore on a triple masted schooner for the summer? Sounds fun, but I don’t want to make it a career” type questions.
>>1683010I was asking since the sticky mentioned it can take a good long while to actually get the cards>>1683029Thank you for the info, and that's perfect. I can get my OS card and apply for the next hiring wave then.
>>1683033TWIC usually arrives within two to three weeks of applying.MMC similar timeframe if all your paperwork is in order. In the Seattle area it’s very easy to get a MMC physical from any number of occupational medical clinics. They’re very familiar with it, being a maritime city. You’ll have to get a drug test at the same place and be very clear to them that YOU are paying for your own test and YOU need a printed copy of the results (because you’ll need to include this with your form CG-719k) and that’s not exactly normal because usually employers are paying and they get the results not you, but they’ll do it if you specify.You’ll have to take the mariner oath in front of a notary, or if you want it to be a little more official just for your own personal satisfaction you can see if they’ll do it for you at the REC (USCG mariner officer) in the federal building on 1st ave in Seattle.I don’t know if you can do it for original applications but it’s much faster to scan your paperwork into .pdf and send it via email to the REC for evaluation. They’ll check it and respond within a week in my experience. It seems daunting but it’s really not any worse than doing your taxes or applications for community college honestly. I’ve been sailing tugs in the North Pacific and Alaska based out of Seattle for many years and I know the industry pretty well and am very willing to answer intelligent questions from people who appear to have agency.
>tfw too stupid to remember all this stupid MSC paperwork and certificates and whatnot
>>1682218Only because you need a secret clearance apparently.
>>1683066>tfw when whenever cap asks me questions I get flustered and my mind goes blank
>>1683011https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-SAN-JOSE-6-WP.html?dwvar_M-SAN-JOSE-6-WP_color=1022106&cgid=These are what I have, super comfy compared to my old boots, I think mainly because I fell for the “leather will stretch and conform to your foot” meme
>>1683052I forget do you work for western towboat or Dunlap?
>>1683052How correct is>>1683098 ?Do you need secret clearance once you hit a certain point?
>>1683168Theres also Foss, Island, Centerline (formerly Harley) Crowley, and now even Vane is in puget sound.>>1683170I assume he's getting a clearance for something to do with MSC, i dont know if everyone at MSC needs one.Having one is really valuable, there are a lot of military related contractor jobs for mariners on support vessels at naval and military bases both domestic and around the globe and they almost always require a clearance or the ability to get one. it is not required for general merchant mariner work outside of direct government/military contracts.
>>1683171Yeah I just spat out the first two companies that came to mind >tfw 35 days into a 43 day trip
>>1683173>give advice to newbsbuy a quality raincoat because you will get fucked over when it rains and you're the new guy
>mfw 6 hr watches
>>1683184yes and?t. oldman
>>1682151the bigger the more you have to rely on technology to aid you with everything to make up for lack of crew.If then something breaks you are screwed.So around 40ft is doable with experience, but larger boats likely not.
>>1682573big difference between 40 and a 50 or 60ft boat.a 40ft can still be relatively cheap, but prices increase exponentially with size so a 60ft boat is already a different ballpark.That goes from marians and lifting out costs to more technology to maintain (eg hydraulic steering) and to the much higher price of spare parts designed for larger sails etc.
>>1683186not fair, everyone knows old guys don't require any sleep>>1683173Tugfag, what are those people doing?>>1682873I look forward to looking at these pics when I have strong enough service to load them
>>1683186>>1683184Just because you're used to it sucking doesn't mean it doesn't suck. I wish companies would be slightly less of cheapskates and just carry another junior mate so the CM could be a dayworker. Imagine how much smoother the ship would run...
>>1683191Collecting phytoplankton samples from a net tow we had just recovered
>>1683166Unfortunately I'm not in the USA so I can't get these. I'm Dutch. Can you recommend me anything else?
>>1683170>>1683171It just says getting a secret clearance is s conditional requirement
>>1681833>>1683098>>1683228As long as you're not still partaking and disclose it at your clearance interview, you'll be fine. People think security clearance investigations are to see if you're "clean" enough, but that's not the point. It's to check to make sure that you can't be leveraged or pressured into giving up any of the secrets you'll be cleared to be in the know of. Disclosing that you worked for that company, ironically enough, might be the thing that gets you the clearance, because if you had failed to disclose it theoretically someone could blackmail you with it. See? Even right now you're worried about what they would do if they found out, which in theory could give someone leverage over you. But if they already know about it, there's no blackmail threat.You would be surprised just how thorough security clearance investigators are, but at the same time how mellow and accepting they are.
>>1683225Uhhhh, does helly Hansen make steel toes?I have their rain gear and it’s excellent. They’re the only brand I actively use that’s really based out of the US
>>1683198my last vessel had two 3rd mates, one was called the extra mate and he was essentially the CM's bitchand our ship still ran horribly
I'm thinking about quitting maritime academy because of the coronavirus. I don't want to get vaccinated and I fear that will cause problems during my first internship which will start in a few weeks. I don't trust it now with France mandating it and all.
>>1683281Freethinking makes working with others hard
>>1683281Don't give up before it's over, man. You never know what they're gonna do, and maybe you can fight it somehow.Just talking out loud here, but it's not ok to threaten people's livelihoods because they're skeptical of a novel, unproven medical procedure that offers healthy people only marginal protection. I hate this medical authoritarianism so much it's unreal, lol. The only silver lining I can think of is that if the regime really is retarded enough to try to force some kind of vaccination apartheid, maybe we can finally have a breakaway society of people that aren't neurotic, TV-news-watching basketcases. /rant
Would it be a bad idea to forge a letter of recommendation for SIU? I want to join, but I don't know anyone who could write me one.
>>1683337>Would it be bad to forge something for a powerful mafia-like unionGee anon, what do you think?You don't have two friends or former bosses who can write you one?
>>1683351>You don't have two friends or former bosses who can write you one?Well, I'm on this god forsaken site, so you automatically know that I'm an friendless loser. I do got some people who can write me one, but tech school professor just retired like a month ago, my neighbor is dealing with a quad bypass surgery, and my new boss might be suspicious I'm jumping ship early (I have been only working for 2 months there).
>>1683352go volunteer at a church/soup kitchen and get one that waynow fuck off this has nothing to do with /mg/
>>1683239>>1683239What about prior use that is unprovable? Would it be dumb to admit to using in high school only(which is the truth) just for the sake of honesty?
>>1683380If they directly ask "Have you ever used drugs", yes. If they ask "Are you currently using drugs", no. The only important thing is whether or not you're clean right now and can pass a piss test at random.
>>1683281You are a fucking retard.Do you have any ideea how many vaccines are required to get hired in the marine sector?ManyYellow feverTetanos CholeraTyphus Anti malaria pillsAnd some other i cant remember right now but are trading area specific and some companies ask for them some don't
>>1683434Still medical apartheid. The fact that companies are going to require us to get this vaccine is literal oppression because it hasn't been tested at all. Literally using us for medical experiments? Fuck off, kike.
>>1683434I'm in Northwestern Europe so I don't have to take any vaccine, fag.
>>1683434>Yellow fever>Tetanos>Cholera>Typhus>Anti malaria pillsI don't remember having to show proof of any of these to get hired in the USA (let alone to merely access a restaurant, lol). And the vaccines you listed have been tested for decades, unlike the jabs for Gook Aids
>>1683434>Anti malaria pillsAre worse than malaria
does cold emailing companies for a cadetship work? assuming you have all your certs, MMC and are in school
how do you know if you're dragging anchor
hello /mg/ from Sault St. Marie
>>1684046marking your gps location and watching it move
>>1684055based I wanna work for algoma
>>1684061lower lakes is where real men work and the most coked out seafarers in the world!
>>1684399How bad is it anon?
What's a good reading resource for a first time OS so I can be informed and confident that I'm not a huge fuck up
>>1684478deck monkeys usually don't know how to readget good with knots and hitches
>>1684399>last contract was with a female captain>was the chillest nicest captain I've ever worked with>never rode my ass hanging out on the bridge on the night watch>took the effort to give the impression she valued my professional opinion on navigation situations despite only being the 3/M>never once took the conn from me unless we were about to pick up the pilot>straight up told me to my face on at least two occasions she cherished working with the 2/M we had that contract and myself because she could sleep easy at night because she knew she could trust us unlike most of the other junior mates shes worked with>mfw experiencing genuine professional respect from a superior officer for the first timeIt was honestly really nice. If I ever need another letter of recommendation I know I can go to her for one.
>>1684478There really doesnt exist a good "Greenhorn's guide to life at sea" type book. I looked for one when i was new and i couldnt find one. ive considered writing one myself.Just try to get along with everyone, work hard, dont be seen lounging around in the common areas even on your off watch, because people may assume you were slacking on watch. Its going to suck ass at times, but remember if you do this for 4 years you can get enough sea time and experience to get licensed and earn far more than the average 4 year college degree, so the whole deckhand life is really more of an apprenticeship for a much better higher paying job later.
>>1684513how do deckhand to mates even challenge the exams with zero knowledge of col regs, celestial nav, chart work or stability?
>>1684526By taking the required classes, cadet. You know all those "STCW classes" you have to pass at the academy to get your license? Literally the same thing just in a different format; those classes are required by law. Have you even read the CFRs related to your own field?
>>1684527so they have to go to school for 3 years after they already did grub shit for 4 years? why not to a cadetship and get your license in 3 years
>>1684526I went engine room as fast as i could, so i didnt go the deck officer route, but by "challenge the exams" do you mean challenge your one question that youre allowed to dispute when you fail the exam by one? The answer here is to pass the exam with lots of room to spare.>>1684530The classes are usually 1 to 3 weeks, you take them as you work unlicensed, between hitches, in preparation for applying for your license.Not everyone can get into an academy or wants to take out the student loans. Hawsepiping is more difficult than it used to be but it lets you work and earn an income while building experience and sea time. It requires a lot of personal agency to navigate the credential advancement process without it being spoon fed to you by an academic organization with counselors and a curriculum though.
>>1684530No, they take the classes separately in a different format. Instead of spreading them out over 3-4 months doing 4-8 hours a week, they do spend 8 hours a day on them for 2 weeks. Meanwhile, between classes, they work and get money.
>>1684487Did she also serve you nuggies and tuck you into bed you fucking longhouse dweller
>>1684609tfw no gentle femdom mommy captain to tuck me in and jerk me off.
>>1684614>the absolute state of the modern sailor
i wish general was more activeit makes sense that it isn't but still
>>1684609How could she? She was asleep at midnight because the night watches are trustworthy, remember?
>>1684532>but by "challenge the exams" do you mean challenge your one question that youre allowed to dispute when you fail the exam by oneNo, he apparently meant "how do deck apes know how to officer without going to muh academy like me", like they could just go take the 3/M test with the sea days alone.
>>1684726most deckhands are notoriously retarded so I doubt any of them could become actual mates
>>1684763how capable in general do you have to be in order to be a mate?
>>1684763And like you kids are any less retarded.
>>1684763Most are, but the top 25% or so are able to get a license.>>1684767You have to be the kind of person who can read a government form and understand what it's saying; the paperwork, prerequisites, and how to get approved to test, and then you have to be able to pass the tests themselves, which requires that you be able to focus on extremely dry and boring material, much of it obsolete or irrelevant to the modern sailor, and then remember enough of it to pass the tests.Youve also got to be able to find and schedule and pay for much of your own supplemental training classes that are required in addition to just passing the tests.And this is just in order to get the license, says nothing at all really about your actual professional capabilities.The complex process itself filters out most people, the tests filter out some. I'd say among the boomers when it was much easier, a guy with a 95 IQ could probably do it. Now you need to be above average or have very strong focus/goal oriented mindset. I've known 25 year old deckhands who got licensed and ive known 65 year old deckhands who've been sailing since they were 20. The biggest difference was their intelligence levels, really obvious difference in aptitudes. >>1684678Its one of the ongoing most active threads on /n/ but it ebbs and floods with the sailing schedule of the regular posters, and with the summertime "how do i become sailor" posters.
Do you need any seamanship experience when applying for OS in the MSC? Or Can I join without it but have the basic bitch stuff (Passport, TWIC, MMC)?
>>1684763>*turns up XM radio louder than the VHF*>*ignores the survey vessel trying to save their surveying cables*>*runs over multi-million dollar pieces of equipment and doesn't tell the captain*
>>1684931>>1684931Depends entirely on how many OS they need, and who applies. If they need a bunch and only greenhorns apply, youll get in. If they only need a few and youre competing against experienced hands, you probably wont make it that time, but they hire in batches semi annually iirc.
>>1684993So you're saying don't quit my day job until I know I'm in for sure. Once I get in for one contract, does the system favor you a little bit more or would be still stuck at the newbie tier for a while?
>>1685007I have no personal experience sailing with MSC, but i looked into it when i was getting started. You absolutely should not quit your job untill youve signed a contract or whatever. IIRC its 18 months for the first time, as 6 months are your training. When i was new and putting myself through BST a lot of older people recommended MSC as a way to get a lot of unlimited tonnage oceans sea time and advance quickly. So after 12 months with MSC you should be able to get an AB of some type, or a QMED depending on how much if any engine duties you have. There was a guy in here within the last few months who was impatiently waiting for his initial date to report for training for MSC, i assume he's in training now but he would know more than i do from experience.Honestly MSC is such a weird thing to me. its like being in the USN, except you dont get the GI bill, but otherwise there are rules and regs and it runs similar to the military from what i understand, and your ships will sail directly with USN fleets and to USN bases.
I'm an engie student and I'm about to go on my first internship soon. Got any tips for me?
>>1684935Hahahaha are you referencing an incident with the Marcus G Langseth a few weeks ago? Heard that shit on the radio when it was going on and it was funny listening to the mate get progressively angrier at the idiot fishing boat
>>1685018Even the OS at MSC makes way more money than an O1 officer in the navy, so there’s that at least
>>1685105No, I was referencing an incident back from like 2006 when the Charleston Express ran over a survey vessel's cables, and the captain didn't find out about it until they got to Savannah and were presented with a multi-million dollar bill.
>>1685018>but otherwise there are rules and regs and it runs similar to the military from what i understand, and your ships will sail directly with USN fleets and to USN bases.I know you probably don't know, but are they very strict with certain health problems like military? Just asking because I suffer from flat feet.>>1685106Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why recruitment rates have been in the shitter lately.
>>1685151>I know you probably don't know, but are they very strict with certain health problems like military? Just asking because I suffer from flat feet.Flat feet is a draft disqualifier, it won't get them to turn you away if you enlist in the Navy or Air Force. Regardless, MSC doesn't give a shit about that. The only medical disqual they care about is a failed TB skin test. THAT will prevent you from ever working for them permanently.
>>1685104Dont forget to bring a (rechargeable) flashlight to the shipGet a notebook to write down whatever people tell youChange into a fresh coverall at lunch if it got dirtyAllways have a rag with youIts better to ask stupid questions then to do supid shit
>>1685151>>1685153Just make sure if you do hire on to be ready for Penis Inspection Day, usually happens day one out on the main deck
ever met a fellow 4channeler onboard?
>>1685104bring your own adjustable pocket wrench and never let anyone use it
why do lakefags think they're sailors? honest question
>>1685405You ever been on a lake storm?
>>1685486you mean a weenie hutt junior storm? nah because i'm not a gay nigger>dude these swells must be 2 meters tall!! we're all gonna die!!!!lakecucks never learn
>>1685486>You ever been on a lake storm?AHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAtry greenwater in the middle of the atlantic you fucking faggot
>>1685491>>1685498Gentlemen, gentlemen. We're being distracted from the true no-name bitches who aren't real sailors: brown water river faggots.
>>1685491>>1685498I'm not even a laker but nobody gonna write a ballad about El Faro.
>>1685368Thanks. In /mg/ I also read about bringing your own calculator. Would that be a good idea as well?>>1685401I did hear about tools not being put back in their original place and going missing, so I will definitely do this.
>>1685105Get off my lakes tug
>>1685401How big should the adjustable wrench be?
>>1685644This is what I'm using, 31 mm with a handy jaw for rounded off bolts. I'd also recommend bringing a 4-in-1 screwdriver and possibly also a multitool, The pliers and the serrated blade on mine have come in handy plenty of times.t. fellow engine cadet
>>1685651Does fit in your pocket well enough?
>>1685664On the last ship I was on they gave us boiler suits and it fitted nicely in the breast pocket, some guys had them in the rear pockets but it quickly wore a hole in them. The ship I'm on now gives us these carpenter pants with great pockets that carry loads of tools.
>>1685559Fuck, nobody even wrote one about the Marine Electric.
>>1685400not on board but at my academy. I whenever I had a big test coming up I would sneedpost and get the schools wifi banned for three days. after two years of this I found out that others posted on 4chan and they were furious at the sneedposter who kept fucking them over. I played it cool and they never figured out it was me
Getting out of the military, transfer to CG or do this shit on the civilian side? I'm biased more towards the civilian side because the military fucking sucks but the CG seems to set you up for a good sea job pretty quickly. Anyone here who did army to CG?
>>1685864CG is essentially still the military, though it’s no longer under the DOD.Everything you dislike about the army will be present in the CG though obviously the mission is different. From my conversations with multiple retired or reservist CG and USN guys they’re very similar on the day to day life aspect.As far as the CG setting you up for a job at sea; I guess it’s a way to get sea time but only if you actually get assigned to a ship that spends time on the water. Huge amount of non sailing jobs in the CG and ultimately it’s sea time that’s crucial to advance in the merchant marine.My opinion: you’d be better served by going with MSC for a contract or two, which would give you a good chunk of unlimited tonnage/horsepower oceans time. MSC has veteran hiring preference to put you ahead of other greenhorns.The other thing would be to use your GI bill and go to an academy. Kings point is the only one that requires you take a commission in the USN/R, all the rest it’s just a 4 year school and you graduate with a merchant marine officer license and a bachelors degree in marine transportation science or something.I have observed that not everyone who comes to civilian ships from the military is a good fit, because civilian vessels don’t have a lot of people giving orders or following up on deckhands to make sure they’re doing the tasks. Guys used to following orders from a bosun or Sgt may just stand around and do nothing without that kind of supervision. -t. Neverserved, worked with a lot of ex USCG/USN guys
>>1685984thank you for your Neverservice
>>1685984>>1685864Honestly yeah. Only reup into the Coast Guard if you want to be a seacop, with everything that goes with that for good and ill. And not in a good way; its extremely unlikely you'd get assigned to drug interdiction. You'd probably spend your contract helping boaters from their own retardation or doing regulatory compliance for cargo ships. I don't know offhand the requirements for the rescue swimmer program, but I do know that's THE job everyone in the Coast Guard wants so you'd be pretty much competing against the entire branch for a slot. Same for getting into aviation; everybody wants to fly a rescue chopper.And then there's the dark open secret: for the most part, if a Coastie's job has gotten exciting, the situation has gone to absolute fucking shit. You're going to be a primary first responder for hurricanes, for example, and that includes weathering them as they pass so you can go to work afterwards. You might have to watch/listen to innocent people die unable to do anything because it's too dangerous to try and rescue them.Not saying it can't be rewarding work, and you are objectively doing something *good* in your job no matter what it is (yes, even telling boaters to fuck off Channel 16, anyone who has been to the ME can tell you how fucking useless that channel is for actual communication because it's not policed). Not many careers can actually say that; even working merchie can make you you question the point of hauling some of this shit around. But it is still on the military pay scale, and for the most part it is thankless. And the parts that AREN'T thankless are very much "May You Live In Interesting Times" tier. Just things to consider.
>>1686087should clarify the "seacop" bit: you actually get to focus doing good shit instead of seemingly treading water endlessly never making a difference. And since the only interactions the public have with you is basically rescue situations, they don't hate you. Think you're stuck-up, maybe. But when the shit hits the fan everyone loves the Coast Guard.>>1685864On the other side of the coin is working as a merchant marine. There's really only 3 reasons to go merchie: the time off where you're free to do anything you want, to see cool shit (be it places/other ships/cargo), and getting paid a shitload more money than someone of equivalent experience/skill would make shoreside. There's a lot more devils in the details, but ultimately those are the big advantages of the merchant marine and why everyone puts up with the bullshit.
>>1680089Got yelled at by the old man for shitting on the poop deck again
>>1686165I once called man overboard because someone's helmet blew off their head and landed in the water
>>1686170did he lived?
What's a good recommendation for personal items when going on your first four month contract? I assume 2 weeks of change of clothes, personal toilet items, a couple of books, and a laptop.
>>1686238Your own towels, your own pillow, your personal medicine chest (stomach meds, seasickness pills, ibuprofen), a shower curtain+rings (you would not believe how often you get to your cabin to find it doesn't have a fucking shower curtain for some reason), and a foldable laundry basket/hamper. Also, you know the amount of underwear and socks you're bringing? Double it.Also, bring some ear buds or headphones for your phone, and load it up with music. Alternatively, if you have the money, get a Walkman mp3 player. When you're working on-deck, the ability to use put music on and drift away while you work is invaluable. And if you aren't working on deck, it'll prove useful when working out in the gym.
>>1686248>>1686238Oh, and on your laptop, load it up with movies and/or singleplayer games.
>>1686238>two weeks of work clothesAt absolute MOST you need four pairs of work clothes, three in regular rotation and an extra pair in case you rip something. Some ships even provide coveralls so you realistically might not even need that many work clothes if they do. I generally bring three pairs of normal clothes with me + whatever I’m wearing on crewchange day as well, but that’s because we go get fucked up in port a lot at NOAA and I like having options on how to dressAlso the most important thing to bring is porn
>>1686248I always just throw sheets and pillows in the washer with an unhealthy amount of bleach
>>1686252I wouldn't reduce the amount of clothes, not on a 4-month hitch. You never know when the washers might break or when they might secure water for the day to do repairs on something in the ER. Having extra clean clothes to cycle through is a godsend.
>>1686257I literally just did a six month hitch with the amount of clothes I listed though, it’s enough to get through a few days of having water secured, and it’s also unlikely that every washer will break at exactly the same timeLike, you do you but I’ve always found it easier to travel with less shit
I bring 4 pairs of work pants, because i re wear pants for several days before washing unless i got totally filthy. tshirts though i bring probably 6 or 8, as there will be days when i change shirts at least once due to getting sweaty or covered in oil or rust dust.Socks are the big one, i change my socks multiple times per day so i probably bring at least 12 pairs. Then of course theres whatever clothing is appropriate for your duties and the climate. Working alaska most of the time ive got a full set of rubber rain gear, rubber boots, thermal underware, cold weather insulated pants, jacket, gloves, balaclavas it goes on and on. I bring two large duffels on the boat, one is my normal clothing and items for life at sea and the other is my specialty gear including work boots, hard hat, rain gear and all that nasty shit. Then ive got a small backpack with my personal items like laptop, toiletries, fleshlight etc.
tell us about the pirates
>>1686252>Some ships even provide coveralls that the norm you fucking tour guide
>>1686353Lmao who the fuck keeps a jar of pickles in the head
Are there any companies that do 1 month at sea and 2 two months off contracts or that kind of rotations? I don't care much about money desu, i would just like to know if it is possibe to work less and pe payed less.
>>1686377lmao bitch[spoiler]i wanna know that too[/spoiler]
>>1686248>>1686252Thanks for the advice, would it be aslo good to pack certain personal food too? Like your favorite chocolate.
>>1686377I think Scandinavian countries do that.
>>1686409Up to you. You're going to run out over the course of the trip and go to slop chest stuff either way.
>>1686238Hair trimmer. Although you could borrow or ask some guy to give you a haircut i like using my own and do it myself as i go for the minimum the trimmer goes. 0.5 mm or whatever. Don't bring /fa/ clothing. Get the cheapest cotton tshirts you can find. Or some washed out, used tshirts tou have at home and trow them away at the end of tour trip. Used and washed out, not that are falling apart and full of holes. Don't look like a bum.Cheap Polarized sunglasses. Nothing /fa/. Most of the dark safety glasses i found ob are just dark. Not cat 3 and no polarization.A watch. A cheap plastic one. In offshore is compulsory it has a rubber/reisin (no metal allowed) strap to be easily cut or broken if you end up with your hand stuck or caught in something. On tankers is forbiden to use a not ex proof camera/phone/flashlight outside of the accommodation. And you dont want your faggy iphone 13 to be dropped and broken/lost. You'll be tempted to play on it and old sailors won't like that and the bossun bull will just fuck you harder for it.Depending on what your nationality is and what the rest of the crew nationalities are. you could bring some English or your language if most of ppl ob are same nationality, newspapers, magazines if you happen to have some at home, but get the freeones you get in the plane. Just for ppl to spend time reading during coffee time
>>1686377Not in the beginning. And not for low positions. When you are in the top 4 and have a reasonable amount of time in tha company maybe. Or you could just find a desperate reliever you do back to back with that wants to spend more time ob.
any good videos/films/youtube channels that depict the modern day to day life onboard a merchant ship?
>>1686543Here you go, here's the most genuine and accurate depiction of sea life ever.
>>1686543There's a YouTuber called JeffHK that does some slick videos of cargo ship life and another named marktwained that chronicles working on a Mississippi river boat. Probably many others but I like those two
>>1686550Seconding JeffHK, comfy well shot videos that aren't just some faggot blogging but he hasn't posted anything in 7 months
>>1686543Oh yeah and a guy named martin marchado(so?) made a short film years ago that helped get me interested in this work: https://vimeo.com/41446533
>>1686550alright, thanks>>1686552i've seen this one, part of the reason why i asked for morebut to me it seemed more artsy than realistic
>Sign on>Hoping for an uneventful, relaxed contract without the bullshit>Master is a fucking vlogger who sticks his camera in your face at every opportunityhttps://youtu.be/tzkzcjNh5ms?t=363
>>1686568Straight up tell him you dont consent to him filming you. This is not a public environment this is a workplace, and that is his personal video not like, company security cameras. Report it to management, because that absolutely isnt professional and you almost certainly didnt sign "i allow the captain to make youtube videos of me" in the paperwork when you signed on.
>>1686568>>1686592>he's enthusiastic enough about his career that he wants to make videos about it and educate peoplewhat the fuck is your problem? i'm black and he aight
>>1681483>complain to your technical superintendant to have more spares simulation>hear a greek dude on the phone calling you a malakia all the time>shit breks hope you've put a lot of points on that fitter trainingYeah cool game
>>1686548Not on cruise ship. Its just that plus a crew bar shitfaced pic.
>>1686595Go be his dancing nigger then. Thats not what im at sea for, nigger.
>>1686568i'm getting that tiktok boomer energy from this guyyou know what i'm talking about
>>1686751true, but he doesnt seems to be an asshole. And god if I had my share of asshole captains.Also anyone working in tanker industry as an officer? The new SIRE insepction 2.0 is fucking mental.
>>1686752>And god if I had my share of asshole captains.wanna share some of your experiences?
>>1686753Ill name rapidly a few:>pilot boards>takes around 2 hours of channel before to arrive at pier> bosun and a few deck hands are already fwd ready for anchor and assisted the pilot embarcation>captain decides to wake everyone up in the middle of the night even if the mooring will only take place in 2 hours anyway. Another one:>cruise ship>croatian deck officer clique (mafia)>im not croatian and captain tells me they are not gonna rate me with promotion anytime soon. Personal insults here and there.>I did other 1 contracts and then flipped the fingher to that company.Another one:>forecast of storm on the gulf of Lion (Between france and spain> if you dont sail near the cost you gonna have a fucked up sailing and possible damage.>he decides to cut throug the gulf and shit goes flying in the ship, damages computers and other equipments that falls.Another one:> going up and down on the road due to a storm> bad weather ship barely manages to make way but has full manouvering and no slamming >captain suddenly panic because current is making our SOG negative (going backwards)>increase engine speeds.>huge bow slams.>Shit falls all around the bridge>chief engineer goes ballistic.
>>1686838>Chief officer and Master of different nationality.>Captain keeps meddling in the CO work, annoying him and redirecting maintenance works without talking with CO before>day before disembarcation of CO>forgot to mention CO is from montenegro, 2 m tall and gym trained>captain is an italian slob>CO in the middle of the night start shoting and hitting heavy punches on the cabin walls (that are on the side of the captain)>screams "Im gonna kill you piece of shit" and other profanities.>the morning comes, he comes out smiling from the cabin and heads luggage in hands towards out of the ship.>captains hides from him till he goes away.
>>1686838>croatian ship mafiayep, that's usour people are scum, mariners doubly so>>1686840>CO is from montenegro>screams "Im gonna kill you piece of shit" and other profanities.montenegrins are usually chill. are you sure he wasn't serbian by nationality? ahahaanyway, appreciate the input
Engie student here. What minor should I choose?Water and Energy (Power generation based on tidal and wave energy)Offshore Renewable Energy (offshore wind farms)Applied Data Science (machine learning & deep learning, probably some Python programming involved)Equipment Maintenance Technology (maintenance strategies for offshore, transport, industry etc.)Offshore Renewable Energy would get me a future-proof job as a young engineer, as I am around the North Sea and there are lots of wind farms being put there. It could also maybe get me a lot of money.Applied Data Science seems interesting because programming is interesting.Equipment Maintenance Technology would make me a maintenance manager/engineer. Don't really think I'd like this type of job. I'm afraid it would stress me out.
>>1686880We have the option of doing electro technical officer as a minor. Extra compentences, extra pay and most importantly some good and usefull education
>>1686886I'd pick that option in a heartbeat. Too bad my maritime academy resides within an applied science university instead of being it's own separate vocational school.
>>1686891Yup, maritime schools should be it's own seperate thing as it's hard to compare and treat the same as other studies. I know people who get the same level of education on paper but go to school 2 days in a week and have a whole whopping 10 exams in total
>>1686893Fucking this. Here in the Netherlands we have a higher vocational school and a regular vocational school for the maritime industry. I'm in the higher vocational school and I get the whole education on paper. I've barely touched a tool or a machine during the last two years.
>>1686880As an American engineering officer, id say you should pick whatever gives you any kind of experience and entry into systems automation controls/PLC stuff. That is the future and needs people. I am slowly studying it in my spare time as i hope to exit the maritime industry some day and move into systems automation.
>>1686919engineers aren't officers, chud
Do any of you exercise on board? Something like bodyweight training like a prisoner?
stupid question, but is there internet access underway?
>>1687256Depends entirely on the company, and it's doesn't correlate with pay at all. Maersk's onboard internet is dogshit despite them having so much money to work with, meanwhile Liberty has the best internet you can get on the ocean despite having the biggest cheapskates for executives in the entire American flag fleet.Of course, even the best is slow; the best you can expect to get onboard a ship is just 56 kbps. Dialup tier. But it IS internet connectivity in the middle of the ocean, so
>>1687279not him but theoretically, could you somehow get a decent speed to watch hd videos uninterrupted?assuming a reasonable investment of up to like a 1000 euros
>>1687281No clue. You'd be doing it entirely on your own, and you'd have to work around wiring it to your stateroom. Plus I dunno if the satellite setups you can buy would have coverage in the ocean or be able to handle the tracking required for being a moving receiver.Not saying it can't be done, just that it requires a fair amount of research for knowledge I myself do not have, and I can't suggest you spend that kind of money without that knowledge.
>>1687281Iridium's max global coverage is ~700kbps, well below what you need for streaming HD videos. Similar performance advertised by Inmarsat.
>>1685104I'm going to a fucking car shop.God help me.
>>1687279Man, I hope that whole Starlink constellation will work out decently.
>>1687234Yes. I have a pull up bar rigged to the overhead in the engine room, and some basic dumbells.Cardio is whats hard because my vessel isnt big enough to really have any space to run laps/circuits and we dont typically have room for a bike or treadmill. Still, you gotta take care of yourself in this line of work given that any serious health issue can get your medical cert revoked or failed to renew, and so many people in this for decades end up as fat broken pieces of shit.>>1687256Slow sat uplink is about all you can expect, enough to text the family and get download a titty pic from the wife/gf in about 3 hours.>>1687281Nah. Nobody is gonna let you install your own comms equipment on their ship.>>1687361I assume you mean car ship. Enjoy shifting cargo causing you to roll over and die. rip in peace, F, etc.
>>1687361You kidding? Those are easy af for the engineers. You're gonna learn everything there is to know about hydraulics, though.
>>1687279>expect to get onboard a ship is just 56 kbps.The 90s called they want their internet speeds back. Hoesntly it is great getting away from the electric jew for months at a time.
What is a CHO?
>>1687371Wait, really? I felt a bit bummed because there was also an internship at shipyard, but they accepted only a few people.
>>1687369>Yes. I have a pull up bar rigged to the overhead in the engine roomDo you need permission to do that? Or are you the chief?>Cardio is whats hard because my vessel isnt big enoughAre you on a tugboat? I think burpees and something like Navy Seals 500 from the movie Shot Caller could be a sufficient cardio workout.>>1687361You mean a RoRo? Atleast the vessel that you will board is bigger than mine. Good luck, fren
question for anyone employed in european companiesis it difficult to get a job as a deck officer if you're under a suspended sentence?and what about when the sentence has expired but you still have a felony in your criminal record?also the felonies in my country get removed from your permanent record after a certain number of years depending on the length of conviction. is there a way for employers to find out about them regardless?
>>1687565Most eu companies i worked for never asked for my criminal record.A colleague of mine from the uni got busted for drug trafficking ( weed > 1kg). Was employed at stena tankers after.The only company that asked for one was bourbon offshore. But their pay was shit and i didn't accept their offer
>>1687554Oh. A literally car SHOP. I thought you hit the wrong key.Well, you'll learn everything there is to know about how cars work, then.
>>1687556I'm the chief on a 120 ft ocean tug. My pull up bar is a 3' piece of pipe suspended from brackets on the overhead by 1/2" three strand line.Yeah i can do burpees in my little 'gym' corner of the engine room but its hot as fuck down there.Sometimes if we have a couple of hard charger young guys onboard we'll do group PT on the aft deck behind the winch but its hard to get that motivation on your own, at least for me.
>>1687634Welp you wont get any sea days but on the bright side you'll get experience with mechanical engineering
God I hate writing applications (for apprenticeship).Anyone got some handy dandy tips to write those mails which get you in?
>>1688108Say you dig water
>>1688117yesssirrrr i was born in the water and since my tiny babby brain evolved enough to have coherent thoughts my eyes were on the sea cap'n
>>1687567Bourbon is bankrupt anyway, the banks call the shots.Good thing too because I hate that fucking French fag, we lost out on a big deal because he backtraded once.
>>1688141I love to sail forbidden seas.
>>1681593Dude I'm 80% sure that's from our favourite disaster magnet and hobbycarrier Admiral Kuznetsov.
>>1682255hey dude, I'm SOOOO sry man, guess you'll have to take the bus home:(
>>1688149Almost every ship looked better back then. Only rather consistently good looking ships today are like ops exploration vessels, unless they got an aftermarket helipad that is and I mean most of these get quiet old and the newer ones also look hideous imo And tugs I guess. I don't love tugs, but they kind of stopped changing them.
>>1688146i've started falling down the rabbit hole and have now found out that:>The Admiral Kuznetsov is used as a training ship for the russian navy>Sailors get their brains scanned to see if they already want to throw them selves over the side>If they want to kill themselves they get hypnotized by flashing images and "soothing" things being said (yelled) through headphones>russians move jets just by having a shit ton of dudes push it and yell "blyat">if a plane crashes the solution is to send a shit ton of dudes yelling "blyat>the chinese ER in pic related is the Kuznetsov sister ship. They cleverly tricked russia to sell it to Ukraine to be used as a cruiseship, and then they promptly sold it to chinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdLaDX0u9es
>>1688151some hipster will someday like our ships better, cheer up m8.
>>1688152I mean I'm not saying that I know for sure if any of this is real, but have you ever served? Once there's a camera people will either come up with the most retarded shit or the entire tour has been practiced for 4 weeks and is entirely choreographed. I've seen 30 year old material being used for the first time just for some pr gig and I don't think I have ever witnessed a large scale surprise inspection, thinking about it.It's not like all of it sounds unreasonable, for Russian Navy...
>>1688153In the future when everything has the Ulstein X-Bow thing we'll look back at today's bulbous bows and say they looked great
>>1688155doubt it.Unless the interiors become significantly more inhospitable again, but then that doesn't stop old sailors from loving old ships and there is no tint of nostalgia that makes the container bricks ever look great. Better than one of these monstrosities for sure, but never "great".
>>1688151You wouldn't say that if you ever tried to actually work those stupid booms. Containers+cranes is just so much easier to work.
Amerishart getting stationed in Japan, what do I have to expect?
Do steel coils go above 25mt?I thought the heaviest cargo a bulker may need to load are two tiers of 25mt coils, and many supras with high tanktop strength can do that (e.g. 26-30mt/m2 tt)But today I came across an OHBS oshima supra with 47mt/m2 tanktop strength. What's the point? What do they use it for?
>tfw when the water stats tasting way more chlorinated but the crewmates says it tastes the same as always.
>>1688348>not having your own personal water filter
>>1688348It means they just changed the filter.
>>1688192>You wouldn't say that ifWell I already said it here >>168815710 steps ahead of you baby
Well, here I go. My first internship.
>>1688569>internshipYou mean you are a cadet right?
>>1688348They are turning the friggin sailors GAY!
>>1688569if it sinks, it's still a substitute.
>>1688588he's on the lakes, its called an internship over there
>>1688613>>1688805Gotcha. There use to be interns also on international shipping (like high school programs before the proper academy) but they botched them many years ago in my country since they were utterly useless.
>>1688900they really tightened things, companies used to send cadets to die in fires
>>1689119>US cadets: either hated useless turds or precious students the crew vow to protect with their lives while teaching them everything they know>foreign cadets: lmao go fight that fire we don't have to pay you death pay
>>1689138actually the cadets what died was on an american vessel and it's why here in canada, cadets cannot be part of fire teams anymore but something along the lines of your reply has 10000% happened before
>>1689141It happened on that...Maersk? ship that burned a few years back. The engine cadet was part of the fire team and pointlessly gave his life.
>last cargo: iron ore in jumbo bags>it's a kamsarmax>80,000 bags of one ton eachHave you guys ever seen such fuckery before?What the fuck
>>1689495it makes unloading faster than using a grapple crane and a skidsteer
Any of you drink of the job or have colleagues that drink on the job?
>>1689643I really fucking hope I never have another one. I could swear that the helmsman showed up to arrival in a tight channel once drunk. He followed all the command properly, but I was super nervous the entire fucking time. The captain didn't say nothing, so I didn't say nothing, but holy shit it ate me up inside.>mind your own fucking businessIt's hard to do that if you're worried if the helmsman is going to put the ship aground, and you don't have enough proof to say anything.
>>1689780Not your ship though is it, you missed out on a great story to tell future cadets
car shOp status:I really have some bad fucking luck. Not only I have to wake up at 4AM just to commute for about an hour, but there is fuck all to do. For 90% of the time I'm just watching someone over the shoulder, and for the rest of the time I have to hold or bring something. At least we get fed, and the dinner was quite decent.Please tell me it's better on sea.
Today I heard the weirdest thing ever: engine cylinder heads as "hired items" that must be returned to vendor
>>1690062I dunno about "hired items", but I know that cylinder liners are typically given back to the manufacturer so they can be remachined.
>>1690059At sea you will be away from internet, loves (if any), family, friends, groceries shops.The daily life can be very different based on the department you work in but its mostly a very harsh and not really well paid job. Offshore Oil rigs have better salaries or contracts.
how do I get fucking colregs to stick inside my brain?
>>1685151>>1685018>>1685007You can advance as fast as you meet the endorsement requirements, and theyll pay for it, normally takes like 6 months to get AB. you're definitely still a civilian and you get treated like it. Lots of waiting and shit though.