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focs'le edition

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>>1680089
Still not posting the sticky in the OP because you’re a schizo, edition
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfJknMp1KS2W8lOFB36nl6uJOjpAVIkm/view
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>https://vimeopro.com/jcraftboats/j-craft/video/73564930

How does /n/ feel about luxury runabouts?
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Any maritime vidya /mg/ can recommend?
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>>1680131
>3 million truck driving sims
>3 million flight sims
>not 1 (one) decent MV sim
this is the world we live in
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>>1680131
>>1680135
VSTEP is taking their sweet ass time getting Nautis Home released.
It’s supposed to be a port of their professional mission simulator so hopefully it’s good.
Your only option for a simulator that’s kind of worth a shit at the moment is shipsim extremes also by VSTEP, but that game is ancient and also full of bugs.

Pic is a screen grab from the professional Nautis simulator website
https://www.vstepsimulation.com/nautis-simulator/?cn-reloaded=1
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What's life like on a tug boat?
Contemplating asking for an internship at a tug boat company here in Germany to consider whether or not seafaring would be a decent career for me.
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>>1680135
Because then you would put every marine college for deckies out on their ass not to mention the security concerns of sharing port information to pirates
>>1680104
Hey tug, when ever you get done dragging a barge out of some stinky bayou in niggerleans, pay a visit to the greatest tug handlers in the world up on the great lakes. We'll teach you a thing or two about tug boat. You know we got your boy theodore tug working the lakes right now.
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>>1680140
It entirely depends on if youre on a harbor tug or an ocean tug/line hauler.

harbor tug youre throwing lines all day and climbing up the side of barges and rotting old docks, lots of cowboy type real deckhand shit. Not much actual seafaring in the sense of going out in the big blue and riding the waves.

Ocean tugs are the reverse. Not a lot of handling lines except making and breaking tow. Maybe you paint if the weather is good. otherwise you find little projects to keep you busy but its all make work. Long periods at sea without communication, trapped in a small metal box. The ocean will fuck with you; lack of sleep, hard to eat in rough seas, hard to shower or shit. But its also a pretty easy life once you get accustomed to the routine.
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>>1680176
what's the crew on an ocean tug
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>>1680188
On my boat, six men.
Captain
Chief engineer
First mate
Second mate
Cook/deckhand
Deckhand/wiper
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https://jobs.atlasprofessionals.com/job/dpo-MS-121329/
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https://jobs.atlasprofessionals.com/job/dpo-MS-120753/
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>>1680176
What about coastal tugs?
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>>1680166
Holy shit the great lakes posters are the most obnoxious posters. What a bunch of actual faggots overcompensating for the fact that they're stuck on the lakes. Funny story, a TV production crew worked in our tug fleet for a week filming a pilot for a reality show. They didn't continue with it because the film was so boring, because we're actually good at our jobs. I guess they found a ratchet group of dipshits on the lakes and filmed them. If you want a show to laugh and cringe at self important know nothing seamen like this poster here, look up Great Lakes Warriors.
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>>1680406
lol you wouldn't last 2 minutes when the gales of november come early, fagt
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I bet none of you deck monkeys can even use a sextant
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>>1680439
Yeah huh....
So, do you enjoy making a fool of yourself, or is it unintentional? I don't kinkshame, buddy, if degradation does it for you, more power to you.
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>>1680444
wow, did the SUNYbabby get off a-half of his second class cruise already? you're so superior for knowing how to stare at the sun. may I suck you off?
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>>1680445
shoo shoo strawman poster
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How bad are Coast Guard physicals? Like are they going to need to draw blood or urine samples or is it like DMV where they only check your eyes and teeth.
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>>1680716
they take your piss and multiply whatever you answer for how much you drink in a week by 10
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>>1680444
I bet you're a faggot
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>>1680716
Piss test, unless you've already taken care of it. Vision test, hearing test, hernia check, range of motion check. That's it unless you have a glaring medical issue.
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>>1680131
yeah, take a BRM class with a teacher you like. Kino holodeck experience
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>>1680829
>Piss test, unless you've already taken care of it.
The piss test is only for checking for drugs right?
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I've been cucked out of education for a year due to covid and I'm getting interested in a career with maritime.
Is there any way I can use this year to get some training or sea time in before I return back to my studies?
From what I can see there is only 3/4-year long training courses and apprenticeships
UK btw
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>>1681153
What else are you afraid of anon?
You can tell your good ol’ friends
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>>1681202
you'll have to drop a few thousand just on the certs to work as a deck hand
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>>1681153
If it's an SMC test then I think they check your urine for any kidney problems and that sort of stuff. Although I'm not American so I don't know
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>>1681340
so i’m best off just working in retail slavery this year and start training when i graduate
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>>1680135
We always look forward to a nautical simulator, yes. But what about engine room simulators? Imagine an engineering game in which you maintain the operation of a ship or factory and have to deal with wacky situations like monsters or aliens attacking your vessel. It doesn't even have to be maritime related, it could be space related as well. I would play the shit out of that.
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>>1681483
That would actually be pretty cool game. Would need to be timed challenges and have progressive failures if you dont meet the timeline or make a mistake. Too many mistakes and you die or the ship is lost.
As a marine engineer myself, I have far less options for engineer training than wheelhouse officers. There are no engine room simulator facilities on the west coast, I have to fly to Florida to go to MPT and use theirs.
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>>1681369
I may or may not be Type II diabetic, so I dont want to be rejected from sea faring because of it.
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>>1681610
You dont belong at sea if you have a medical condition that could cause you to go into a coma and die.
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>>1681617
Don't be so dramatic, lil bitch. There are so many fat diabetic fucks who do just fine.
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how do you unvaxxed seafarers deal with covid and stuff? Do the vaxxed on board hate you?
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>>1681610
hide/deny everything about your health
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>>1681648
Shut your cockhole, swab. Fat boomers who seek out corrupt medical assessors so that they can postpone retirement are a liability to the ship and the crew.
Type 2 diabetics are the most despicable because their gluttony literally caused them to develop a life threatening disease, which can be reversed by simply not eating like shit, but they’d rather keep injecting sheep liver extracts and shoveling carbs.

We both know that fatty fat fat up there asking if he can be merchant marine won’t bother to go through with it anyway.
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I worked for a legal marijuana company a few years ago, what are the odds i get kicked out of the MSC? Already got a job offer
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>>1681594
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>>1681601
Where and on what do you work, anon?
This engine rooms looks at best marginally younger than my parents.
Some vintage polish trawler?
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>>1681594
nice main engine sneed
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>>1681774
I don't know, how do your coworkers feel about working with someone with AIDs?
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why the fuck is school so hard but working onboard so easy?
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how viable is it to singlehand a 40-60ft sailboat?

im thinking of a bruce roberts steel hull because if I have a stick welder with me I could fix any problems in any weather
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>>1682151
Lol when you crash into one of the containers i dumped in the ocean, you can weld it onto your hull
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>>1681833
I cant see why they would care. Your personal history is irrelevant as long as you dont have a criminal record and arent currently pissing hot.
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>a whole thread full of semen
lel
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guys can you watch my ship for a second
no funny business pls
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I'm halfway through my cadetship (engine) in the UK and I'm shitting bricks at the thought of the job search that awaits me after I finish, if I can even find a job at sea. Do any western euros have advice to help me feel like I haven't made a terrible mistake by going down this path?
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>>1682446
Job searches suck.
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>>1682446
lol wtf how do you have enough seatime to graduate if you haven't been working?
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>>1682151
40-60ft boats must be fucking expensive to maintain
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Is the industry desperate for new hires right now?
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>>1682608
>niche industry
>high turnover
>hard work
yes and it will be forever
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should I get a steam deck for when i'm chilling in my cabin?
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>>1682446
There are a lot of jobs for uk residents or with uk certificates especially in the offshore sector.
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on my way to airport to fly to cairo, maybe I'll get one full day in hotel before joining in suez. this time i really don't want to go back to my floating wage cage. it felt so good to do nothing all day but fucking pajeet had to do the needful and requested me to join
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>>1681483
you can download tanker engine room simulator from kongsberg at seatracker.ru not the most recent one but still pretty good
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>>1682633
My work at sea is mostly so retard easy, with 16 hours of free time per day and I make 4 times as much money as I did on land. If you don’t advance yourself past the hard work positions in a few years, you deserve to be a deckhand forever
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Washington state ferries is hiring on call OS and AB. Great job if you’re absolutely possess no ambition and just want a steady government paycheck and union bennies.
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>>1681574
Haven't been on the water since April, but I had some good ones.
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>>1682856
Buying a DSLR was the best decision I ever made.
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>>1682858
Silhouetting is admittedly photography ezmodo.
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>>1682870
Alright that's enough spam for now, but I'll end with the picture I'm most proud of even if it isn't as visually stunning as some of the others. I'd been trying for 10 years to capture a green flash, and I finally did it on a day I didn't expect to see one. The conditions were perfect, and I had the right settings on my camera. At the time I was pissed because I'd been on 6s for a week because the C/M had to fuck around with a fucked up ballast valve, but looking back on it I'd do it again for this shot.

the OT helped too, of course.
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>>1682873
The colors in this reminds me of pic related I took in Panama a few years ago

How shit were the car carriers? I hear the pay kinda sucks, what union were you with?
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>>1682886
I'm with MEBA. Liberty is the lowest-paying contract we have, but it's not really THAT bad. The company are cheapskates for sure, and they overwork their mates, but I still make decent cash. Definitely more than I would with ARC. The worst part is the run. I fucking hate going to the Middle East and the Far East. Everyone loves the Northern Europe run for a reason.
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I need working shoes with an oil resistant sole and steel cap. What should I pay attention to when buying these kind of shoes?
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I'm interested in maritime work but wondering, are there jobs where you're not at sea for months at a time?
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>>1682904
I can understand not liking the Middle East but What’s the issue with the Far East?
Or is it just the mind numbing long runs across the pacific?

>>1682912
I currently have keen’s and I like them, had thoroughgoods and they were garbage

>>1682920
Your best bet is harbor tugs that usually do 7 days on/off, some crew boats do 14/14 and most offshore tugs and OSV’s do either 28/14 or 28/28
I’ve heard dredges do a 21/21 but don’t know anyone in the industry to confirm that
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>>1682922
How hard is it to get a deckhand job on a harbor tug without prior experience? I'm in Seattle for references
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>>1682922
>What’s the issue with the Far East?
The fishing fleets. Absolute fucking nightmares for collision avoidance. It's not just the Chinese; the Korean fleets are just as fucking bad since they fish in the TSS lanes off the Korean coast like assholes.
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>>1682927
From my experience in seattle i never got a call back from any freighter or harbor/inland tug here or around the world. The ferry thing the guy above mentioned looked good to me but im already doing sealift command
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>>1682927
You absolute nigger. I just said WSF is hiring ENTRY LEVEL DECKHANDs.

You won’t make it anywhere you retard.
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>>1682844
iktfb
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>>1682981
Am dipshit who didn't know what the acronyms OS and AB mean in context. Is it likely they'd still be hiring by the time I got my OS you think?
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>>1683009
You start out as an OS just need a twic card and apply for it
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>>1682922
>I currently have keen’s and I like them, had thoroughgoods and they were garbage
Do you have a low model? What makes your current work shoes better?
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>>1682981
>imfuckingplying
"Entry Level" in the maritime industry can mean lots of shit, asshole. Just because they're hiring OS' doesn't mean they're hiring green deckhands who don't have any experience on the water whatsoever. This isn't the SIU where an OS is an OS is an OS; they very well could have specified some prior experience even for an OS. Which is why he *asked*.
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>>1682981
I'm starting to understand the gcaptain boomerwaffen
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>>1683009
no you're ok, we've just had a sudden influx of greenfags. desu I'd like more /n/iggers to join the industry
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>>1683014
It does though. Considering it takes only 360 days to get an AB special, anyone who’s worked more than one year at sea should not be an OS anymore unless they’re a low agency moron.

Also I’ve never seen any position listed as entry level that then required experience. I’ve actually seen plenty listening specifically saying NOT ENTRY LEVEL for deckhands or cooks.

Washington state ferries does big hiring call outs several times per year depending on need. They do hire greenhorns, because they’re not gonna be flooded with applications from experienced ABs for $20/hr. It’s one of the best ways to get into the industry without going to school, in my opinion.
You can work there long enough to get an AB limited which is good for near coastal jobs, or you can dig yourself into the state union a like tick and make a career out of the WSF, maybe become a mate if you have any agency at all.

>>1683019
Yeah. Nobody is reading the sticky/guide, people coming in and asking questions without reading the thread or doing any prior research, constant “hey can I sail to Singapore on a triple masted schooner for the summer? Sounds fun, but I don’t want to make it a career” type questions.
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>>1683010
I was asking since the sticky mentioned it can take a good long while to actually get the cards
>>1683029
Thank you for the info, and that's perfect. I can get my OS card and apply for the next hiring wave then.
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>>1683033
TWIC usually arrives within two to three weeks of applying.
MMC similar timeframe if all your paperwork is in order.

In the Seattle area it’s very easy to get a MMC physical from any number of occupational medical clinics. They’re very familiar with it, being a maritime city. You’ll have to get a drug test at the same place and be very clear to them that YOU are paying for your own test and YOU need a printed copy of the results (because you’ll need to include this with your form CG-719k) and that’s not exactly normal because usually employers are paying and they get the results not you, but they’ll do it if you specify.

You’ll have to take the mariner oath in front of a notary, or if you want it to be a little more official just for your own personal satisfaction you can see if they’ll do it for you at the REC (USCG mariner officer) in the federal building on 1st ave in Seattle.


I don’t know if you can do it for original applications but it’s much faster to scan your paperwork into .pdf and send it via email to the REC for evaluation. They’ll check it and respond within a week in my experience.

It seems daunting but it’s really not any worse than doing your taxes or applications for community college honestly.

I’ve been sailing tugs in the North Pacific and Alaska based out of Seattle for many years and I know the industry pretty well and am very willing to answer intelligent questions from people who appear to have agency.
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>tfw too stupid to remember all this stupid MSC paperwork and certificates and whatnot
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>>1682218
Only because you need a secret clearance apparently.
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>>1683066
>tfw when whenever cap asks me questions I get flustered and my mind goes blank
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>>1683011
https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-SAN-JOSE-6-WP.html?dwvar_M-SAN-JOSE-6-WP_color=1022106&cgid=
These are what I have, super comfy compared to my old boots, I think mainly because I fell for the “leather will stretch and conform to your foot” meme
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>>1683052
I forget do you work for western towboat or Dunlap?
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>>1683052
How correct is
>>1683098 ?
Do you need secret clearance once you hit a certain point?
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>>1683168
Theres also Foss, Island, Centerline (formerly Harley) Crowley, and now even Vane is in puget sound.


>>1683170
I assume he's getting a clearance for something to do with MSC, i dont know if everyone at MSC needs one.
Having one is really valuable, there are a lot of military related contractor jobs for mariners on support vessels at naval and military bases both domestic and around the globe and they almost always require a clearance or the ability to get one.
it is not required for general merchant mariner work outside of direct government/military contracts.
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>>1683171
Yeah I just spat out the first two companies that came to mind
>tfw 35 days into a 43 day trip
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>give advice to newbs
buy a quality raincoat because you will get fucked over when it rains and you're the new guy
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>mfw 6 hr watches
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>>1683184
yes and?

t. oldman
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>>1682151
the bigger the more you have to rely on technology to aid you with everything to make up for lack of crew.
If then something breaks you are screwed.
So around 40ft is doable with experience, but larger boats likely not.
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>>1682573
big difference between 40 and a 50 or 60ft boat.
a 40ft can still be relatively cheap, but prices increase exponentially with size so a 60ft boat is already a different ballpark.
That goes from marians and lifting out costs to more technology to maintain (eg hydraulic steering) and to the much higher price of spare parts designed for larger sails etc.
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>>1683186
not fair, everyone knows old guys don't require any sleep
>>1683173
Tugfag, what are those people doing?
>>1682873
I look forward to looking at these pics when I have strong enough service to load them
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>>1683186
>>1683184
Just because you're used to it sucking doesn't mean it doesn't suck. I wish companies would be slightly less of cheapskates and just carry another junior mate so the CM could be a dayworker. Imagine how much smoother the ship would run...
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>>1683191
Collecting phytoplankton samples from a net tow we had just recovered
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>>1683166
Unfortunately I'm not in the USA so I can't get these. I'm Dutch. Can you recommend me anything else?
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>>1683170
>>1683171
It just says getting a secret clearance is s conditional requirement
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>>1681833
>>1683098
>>1683228
As long as you're not still partaking and disclose it at your clearance interview, you'll be fine. People think security clearance investigations are to see if you're "clean" enough, but that's not the point. It's to check to make sure that you can't be leveraged or pressured into giving up any of the secrets you'll be cleared to be in the know of. Disclosing that you worked for that company, ironically enough, might be the thing that gets you the clearance, because if you had failed to disclose it theoretically someone could blackmail you with it. See? Even right now you're worried about what they would do if they found out, which in theory could give someone leverage over you. But if they already know about it, there's no blackmail threat.

You would be surprised just how thorough security clearance investigators are, but at the same time how mellow and accepting they are.
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>>1683225
Uhhhh, does helly Hansen make steel toes?
I have their rain gear and it’s excellent. They’re the only brand I actively use that’s really based out of the US
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>>1683198
my last vessel had two 3rd mates, one was called the extra mate and he was essentially the CM's bitch

and our ship still ran horribly
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I'm thinking about quitting maritime academy because of the coronavirus. I don't want to get vaccinated and I fear that will cause problems during my first internship which will start in a few weeks. I don't trust it now with France mandating it and all.
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>>1683281
Freethinking makes working with others hard
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>>1683206
Cool
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>>1683281
Don't give up before it's over, man. You never know what they're gonna do, and maybe you can fight it somehow.

Just talking out loud here, but it's not ok to threaten people's livelihoods because they're skeptical of a novel, unproven medical procedure that offers healthy people only marginal protection. I hate this medical authoritarianism so much it's unreal, lol. The only silver lining I can think of is that if the regime really is retarded enough to try to force some kind of vaccination apartheid, maybe we can finally have a breakaway society of people that aren't neurotic, TV-news-watching basketcases. /rant
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Would it be a bad idea to forge a letter of recommendation for SIU? I want to join, but I don't know anyone who could write me one.
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>>1683337
>Would it be bad to forge something for a powerful mafia-like union
Gee anon, what do you think?

You don't have two friends or former bosses who can write you one?
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>>1683351
>You don't have two friends or former bosses who can write you one?
Well, I'm on this god forsaken site, so you automatically know that I'm an friendless loser. I do got some people who can write me one, but tech school professor just retired like a month ago, my neighbor is dealing with a quad bypass surgery, and my new boss might be suspicious I'm jumping ship early (I have been only working for 2 months there).
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>>1683352
go volunteer at a church/soup kitchen and get one that way
now fuck off this has nothing to do with /mg/
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>>1683239
>>1683239
What about prior use that is unprovable? Would it be dumb to admit to using in high school only(which is the truth) just for the sake of honesty?
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>>1683380
If they directly ask "Have you ever used drugs", yes. If they ask "Are you currently using drugs", no. The only important thing is whether or not you're clean right now and can pass a piss test at random.
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>>1683281
You are a fucking retard.
Do you have any ideea how many vaccines are required to get hired in the marine sector?
Many

Yellow fever
Tetanos
Cholera
Typhus
Anti malaria pills
And some other i cant remember right now but are trading area specific and some companies ask for them some don't
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>>1683434
Still medical apartheid. The fact that companies are going to require us to get this vaccine is literal oppression because it hasn't been tested at all. Literally using us for medical experiments? Fuck off, kike.
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>>1683434
I'm in Northwestern Europe so I don't have to take any vaccine, fag.
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>>1683434
>Yellow fever
>Tetanos
>Cholera
>Typhus
>Anti malaria pills
I don't remember having to show proof of any of these to get hired in the USA (let alone to merely access a restaurant, lol). And the vaccines you listed have been tested for decades, unlike the jabs for Gook Aids
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>>1683434
>Anti malaria pills
Are worse than malaria
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does cold emailing companies for a cadetship work? assuming you have all your certs, MMC and are in school
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how do you know if you're dragging anchor
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hello /mg/ from Sault St. Marie
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>>1684046
marking your gps location and watching it move
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>>1684055
based I wanna work for algoma
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>>1684055
lucky man
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>>1684061
lower lakes is where real men work and the most coked out seafarers in the world!
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>>1684070
he left
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>female captain
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>>1684399
How bad is it anon?
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>>1684399
Oh no
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What's a good reading resource for a first time OS so I can be informed and confident that I'm not a huge fuck up
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>>1684478
deck monkeys usually don't know how to read
get good with knots and hitches
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>>1684399
>last contract was with a female captain
>was the chillest nicest captain I've ever worked with
>never rode my ass hanging out on the bridge on the night watch
>took the effort to give the impression she valued my professional opinion on navigation situations despite only being the 3/M
>never once took the conn from me unless we were about to pick up the pilot
>straight up told me to my face on at least two occasions she cherished working with the 2/M we had that contract and myself because she could sleep easy at night because she knew she could trust us unlike most of the other junior mates shes worked with
>mfw experiencing genuine professional respect from a superior officer for the first time

It was honestly really nice. If I ever need another letter of recommendation I know I can go to her for one.
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>>1684478
There really doesnt exist a good "Greenhorn's guide to life at sea" type book. I looked for one when i was new and i couldnt find one. ive considered writing one myself.

Just try to get along with everyone, work hard, dont be seen lounging around in the common areas even on your off watch, because people may assume you were slacking on watch. Its going to suck ass at times, but remember if you do this for 4 years you can get enough sea time and experience to get licensed and earn far more than the average 4 year college degree, so the whole deckhand life is really more of an apprenticeship for a much better higher paying job later.
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>>1684513
how do deckhand to mates even challenge the exams with zero knowledge of col regs, celestial nav, chart work or stability?
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>>1684526
By taking the required classes, cadet. You know all those "STCW classes" you have to pass at the academy to get your license? Literally the same thing just in a different format; those classes are required by law. Have you even read the CFRs related to your own field?
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>>1684527
so they have to go to school for 3 years after they already did grub shit for 4 years? why not to a cadetship and get your license in 3 years
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>>1684526
I went engine room as fast as i could, so i didnt go the deck officer route, but by "challenge the exams" do you mean challenge your one question that youre allowed to dispute when you fail the exam by one? The answer here is to pass the exam with lots of room to spare.

>>1684530
The classes are usually 1 to 3 weeks, you take them as you work unlicensed, between hitches, in preparation for applying for your license.

Not everyone can get into an academy or wants to take out the student loans. Hawsepiping is more difficult than it used to be but it lets you work and earn an income while building experience and sea time. It requires a lot of personal agency to navigate the credential advancement process without it being spoon fed to you by an academic organization with counselors and a curriculum though.
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>>1684530
No, they take the classes separately in a different format. Instead of spreading them out over 3-4 months doing 4-8 hours a week, they do spend 8 hours a day on them for 2 weeks. Meanwhile, between classes, they work and get money.
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>>1684487
Did she also serve you nuggies and tuck you into bed you fucking longhouse dweller
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>>1684609
tfw no gentle femdom mommy captain to tuck me in and jerk me off.
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>>1684614
>the absolute state of the modern sailor
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i wish general was more active
it makes sense that it isn't but still
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>>1684609
How could she? She was asleep at midnight because the night watches are trustworthy, remember?
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>>1684532
>but by "challenge the exams" do you mean challenge your one question that youre allowed to dispute when you fail the exam by one
No, he apparently meant "how do deck apes know how to officer without going to muh academy like me", like they could just go take the 3/M test with the sea days alone.
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>>1684726
most deckhands are notoriously retarded so I doubt any of them could become actual mates
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>>1684763
how capable in general do you have to be in order to be a mate?
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>>1684763
And like you kids are any less retarded.
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>>1684763
Most are, but the top 25% or so are able to get a license.
>>1684767
You have to be the kind of person who can read a government form and understand what it's saying; the paperwork, prerequisites, and how to get approved to test, and then you have to be able to pass the tests themselves, which requires that you be able to focus on extremely dry and boring material, much of it obsolete or irrelevant to the modern sailor, and then remember enough of it to pass the tests.
Youve also got to be able to find and schedule and pay for much of your own supplemental training classes that are required in addition to just passing the tests.

And this is just in order to get the license, says nothing at all really about your actual professional capabilities.

The complex process itself filters out most people, the tests filter out some.

I'd say among the boomers when it was much easier, a guy with a 95 IQ could probably do it. Now you need to be above average or have very strong focus/goal oriented mindset. I've known 25 year old deckhands who got licensed and ive known 65 year old deckhands who've been sailing since they were 20. The biggest difference was their intelligence levels, really obvious difference in aptitudes.

>>1684678
Its one of the ongoing most active threads on /n/ but it ebbs and floods with the sailing schedule of the regular posters, and with the summertime "how do i become sailor" posters.
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Do you need any seamanship experience when applying for OS in the MSC? Or Can I join without it but have the basic bitch stuff (Passport, TWIC, MMC)?
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>>1684763
>*turns up XM radio louder than the VHF*
>*ignores the survey vessel trying to save their surveying cables*
>*runs over multi-million dollar pieces of equipment and doesn't tell the captain*
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>>1684931
>>1684931
Depends entirely on how many OS they need, and who applies. If they need a bunch and only greenhorns apply, youll get in. If they only need a few and youre competing against experienced hands, you probably wont make it that time, but they hire in batches semi annually iirc.
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>>1684993
So you're saying don't quit my day job until I know I'm in for sure. Once I get in for one contract, does the system favor you a little bit more or would be still stuck at the newbie tier for a while?
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>>1685007
I have no personal experience sailing with MSC, but i looked into it when i was getting started.
You absolutely should not quit your job untill youve signed a contract or whatever. IIRC its 18 months for the first time, as 6 months are your training.
When i was new and putting myself through BST a lot of older people recommended MSC as a way to get a lot of unlimited tonnage oceans sea time and advance quickly. So after 12 months with MSC you should be able to get an AB of some type, or a QMED depending on how much if any engine duties you have.

There was a guy in here within the last few months who was impatiently waiting for his initial date to report for training for MSC, i assume he's in training now but he would know more than i do from experience.

Honestly MSC is such a weird thing to me. its like being in the USN, except you dont get the GI bill, but otherwise there are rules and regs and it runs similar to the military from what i understand, and your ships will sail directly with USN fleets and to USN bases.
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I'm an engie student and I'm about to go on my first internship soon. Got any tips for me?
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>>1684935
Hahahaha are you referencing an incident with the Marcus G Langseth a few weeks ago? Heard that shit on the radio when it was going on and it was funny listening to the mate get progressively angrier at the idiot fishing boat
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>>1685018
Even the OS at MSC makes way more money than an O1 officer in the navy, so there’s that at least
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>>1685105
No, I was referencing an incident back from like 2006 when the Charleston Express ran over a survey vessel's cables, and the captain didn't find out about it until they got to Savannah and were presented with a multi-million dollar bill.
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>>1685018
>but otherwise there are rules and regs and it runs similar to the military from what i understand, and your ships will sail directly with USN fleets and to USN bases.
I know you probably don't know, but are they very strict with certain health problems like military? Just asking because I suffer from flat feet.
>>1685106
Damn that's pretty sad, no wonder why recruitment rates have been in the shitter lately.
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>>1685151
>I know you probably don't know, but are they very strict with certain health problems like military? Just asking because I suffer from flat feet.
Flat feet is a draft disqualifier, it won't get them to turn you away if you enlist in the Navy or Air Force. Regardless, MSC doesn't give a shit about that. The only medical disqual they care about is a failed TB skin test. THAT will prevent you from ever working for them permanently.
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>>1685104
Dont forget to bring a (rechargeable) flashlight to the ship
Get a notebook to write down whatever people tell you
Change into a fresh coverall at lunch if it got dirty
Allways have a rag with you
Its better to ask stupid questions then to do supid shit
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>>1685151
>>1685153
Just make sure if you do hire on to be ready for Penis Inspection Day, usually happens day one out on the main deck
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ever met a fellow 4channeler onboard?
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>>1685104
bring your own adjustable pocket wrench and never let anyone use it
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why do lakefags think they're sailors? honest question
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>>1685405
You ever been on a lake storm?
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>>1685486
you mean a weenie hutt junior storm? nah because i'm not a gay nigger
>dude these swells must be 2 meters tall!! we're all gonna die!!!!
lakecucks never learn
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>>1685486
>You ever been on a lake storm?
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA
try greenwater in the middle of the atlantic you fucking faggot
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>>1685491
>>1685498
Gentlemen, gentlemen. We're being distracted from the true no-name bitches who aren't real sailors: brown water river faggots.
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>>1685491
>>1685498
I'm not even a laker but nobody gonna write a ballad about El Faro.
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>>1685368
Thanks. In /mg/ I also read about bringing your own calculator. Would that be a good idea as well?
>>1685401
I did hear about tools not being put back in their original place and going missing, so I will definitely do this.
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>>1685105
Get off my lakes tug
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>>1685401
How big should the adjustable wrench be?
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>>1685644
This is what I'm using, 31 mm with a handy jaw for rounded off bolts. I'd also recommend bringing a 4-in-1 screwdriver and possibly also a multitool, The pliers and the serrated blade on mine have come in handy plenty of times.
t. fellow engine cadet
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>>1685651
Does fit in your pocket well enough?
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>>1685664
On the last ship I was on they gave us boiler suits and it fitted nicely in the breast pocket, some guys had them in the rear pockets but it quickly wore a hole in them. The ship I'm on now gives us these carpenter pants with great pockets that carry loads of tools.
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>>1685559
Fuck, nobody even wrote one about the Marine Electric.
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>>1685400
not on board but at my academy. I whenever I had a big test coming up I would sneedpost and get the schools wifi banned for three days. after two years of this I found out that others posted on 4chan and they were furious at the sneedposter who kept fucking them over. I played it cool and they never figured out it was me
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Getting out of the military, transfer to CG or do this shit on the civilian side? I'm biased more towards the civilian side because the military fucking sucks but the CG seems to set you up for a good sea job pretty quickly. Anyone here who did army to CG?
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>>1685864
CG is essentially still the military, though it’s no longer under the DOD.
Everything you dislike about the army will be present in the CG though obviously the mission is different.
From my conversations with multiple retired or reservist CG and USN guys they’re very similar on the day to day life aspect.
As far as the CG setting you up for a job at sea; I guess it’s a way to get sea time but only if you actually get assigned to a ship that spends time on the water. Huge amount of non sailing jobs in the CG and ultimately it’s sea time that’s crucial to advance in the merchant marine.
My opinion: you’d be better served by going with MSC for a contract or two, which would give you a good chunk of unlimited tonnage/horsepower oceans time. MSC has veteran hiring preference to put you ahead of other greenhorns.
The other thing would be to use your GI bill and go to an academy. Kings point is the only one that requires you take a commission in the USN/R, all the rest it’s just a 4 year school and you graduate with a merchant marine officer license and a bachelors degree in marine transportation science or something.

I have observed that not everyone who comes to civilian ships from the military is a good fit, because civilian vessels don’t have a lot of people giving orders or following up on deckhands to make sure they’re doing the tasks. Guys used to following orders from a bosun or Sgt may just stand around and do nothing without that kind of supervision.

-t. Neverserved, worked with a lot of ex USCG/USN guys
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>>1685984
thank you for your Neverservice
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>>1685864
Honestly yeah. Only reup into the Coast Guard if you want to be a seacop, with everything that goes with that for good and ill. And not in a good way; its extremely unlikely you'd get assigned to drug interdiction. You'd probably spend your contract helping boaters from their own retardation or doing regulatory compliance for cargo ships. I don't know offhand the requirements for the rescue swimmer program, but I do know that's THE job everyone in the Coast Guard wants so you'd be pretty much competing against the entire branch for a slot. Same for getting into aviation; everybody wants to fly a rescue chopper.

And then there's the dark open secret: for the most part, if a Coastie's job has gotten exciting, the situation has gone to absolute fucking shit. You're going to be a primary first responder for hurricanes, for example, and that includes weathering them as they pass so you can go to work afterwards. You might have to watch/listen to innocent people die unable to do anything because it's too dangerous to try and rescue them.

Not saying it can't be rewarding work, and you are objectively doing something *good* in your job no matter what it is (yes, even telling boaters to fuck off Channel 16, anyone who has been to the ME can tell you how fucking useless that channel is for actual communication because it's not policed). Not many careers can actually say that; even working merchie can make you you question the point of hauling some of this shit around. But it is still on the military pay scale, and for the most part it is thankless. And the parts that AREN'T thankless are very much "May You Live In Interesting Times" tier.

Just things to consider.
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>>1686087
should clarify the "seacop" bit: you actually get to focus doing good shit instead of seemingly treading water endlessly never making a difference. And since the only interactions the public have with you is basically rescue situations, they don't hate you. Think you're stuck-up, maybe. But when the shit hits the fan everyone loves the Coast Guard.

>>1685864
On the other side of the coin is working as a merchant marine. There's really only 3 reasons to go merchie: the time off where you're free to do anything you want, to see cool shit (be it places/other ships/cargo), and getting paid a shitload more money than someone of equivalent experience/skill would make shoreside. There's a lot more devils in the details, but ultimately those are the big advantages of the merchant marine and why everyone puts up with the bullshit.
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>>1680089
Got yelled at by the old man for shitting on the poop deck again
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>>1686165
I once called man overboard because someone's helmet blew off their head and landed in the water
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>>1686170
did he lived?
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What's a good recommendation for personal items when going on your first four month contract? I assume 2 weeks of change of clothes, personal toilet items, a couple of books, and a laptop.
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>>1686238
Your own towels, your own pillow, your personal medicine chest (stomach meds, seasickness pills, ibuprofen), a shower curtain+rings (you would not believe how often you get to your cabin to find it doesn't have a fucking shower curtain for some reason), and a foldable laundry basket/hamper. Also, you know the amount of underwear and socks you're bringing? Double it.

Also, bring some ear buds or headphones for your phone, and load it up with music. Alternatively, if you have the money, get a Walkman mp3 player. When you're working on-deck, the ability to use put music on and drift away while you work is invaluable. And if you aren't working on deck, it'll prove useful when working out in the gym.
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>>1686248
>>1686238
Oh, and on your laptop, load it up with movies and/or singleplayer games.
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>>1686238
>two weeks of work clothes
At absolute MOST you need four pairs of work clothes, three in regular rotation and an extra pair in case you rip something.
Some ships even provide coveralls so you realistically might not even need that many work clothes if they do.
I generally bring three pairs of normal clothes with me + whatever I’m wearing on crewchange day as well, but that’s because we go get fucked up in port a lot at NOAA and I like having options on how to dress


Also the most important thing to bring is porn
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>>1686248
I always just throw sheets and pillows in the washer with an unhealthy amount of bleach
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>>1686252
I wouldn't reduce the amount of clothes, not on a 4-month hitch. You never know when the washers might break or when they might secure water for the day to do repairs on something in the ER. Having extra clean clothes to cycle through is a godsend.
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>>1686257
I literally just did a six month hitch with the amount of clothes I listed though, it’s enough to get through a few days of having water secured, and it’s also unlikely that every washer will break at exactly the same time
Like, you do you but I’ve always found it easier to travel with less shit
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I bring 4 pairs of work pants, because i re wear pants for several days before washing unless i got totally filthy. tshirts though i bring probably 6 or 8, as there will be days when i change shirts at least once due to getting sweaty or covered in oil or rust dust.
Socks are the big one, i change my socks multiple times per day so i probably bring at least 12 pairs.
Then of course theres whatever clothing is appropriate for your duties and the climate. Working alaska most of the time ive got a full set of rubber rain gear, rubber boots, thermal underware, cold weather insulated pants, jacket, gloves, balaclavas it goes on and on. I bring two large duffels on the boat, one is my normal clothing and items for life at sea and the other is my specialty gear including work boots, hard hat, rain gear and all that nasty shit. Then ive got a small backpack with my personal items like laptop, toiletries, fleshlight etc.
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tell us about the pirates
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>>1686252
>Some ships even provide coveralls
that the norm you fucking tour guide
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>>1686353
Lmao who the fuck keeps a jar of pickles in the head
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Are there any companies that do 1 month at sea and 2 two months off contracts or that kind of rotations? I don't care much about money desu, i would just like to know if it is possibe to work less and pe payed less.
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>>1686377
lmao bitch
[spoiler]i wanna know that too[/spoiler]
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>>1686248
>>1686252
Thanks for the advice, would it be aslo good to pack certain personal food too? Like your favorite chocolate.
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>>1686377
I think Scandinavian countries do that.
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>>1686409
Up to you. You're going to run out over the course of the trip and go to slop chest stuff either way.
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>>1686238
Hair trimmer. Although you could borrow or ask some guy to give you a haircut i like using my own and do it myself as i go for the minimum the trimmer goes. 0.5 mm or whatever.

Don't bring /fa/ clothing. Get the cheapest cotton tshirts you can find. Or some washed out, used tshirts tou have at home and trow them away at the end of tour trip. Used and washed out, not that are falling apart and full of holes. Don't look like a bum.

Cheap Polarized sunglasses. Nothing /fa/. Most of the dark safety glasses i found ob are just dark. Not cat 3 and no polarization.

A watch. A cheap plastic one. In offshore is compulsory it has a rubber/reisin (no metal allowed) strap to be easily cut or broken if you end up with your hand stuck or caught in something. On tankers is forbiden to use a not ex proof camera/phone/flashlight outside of the accommodation. And you dont want your faggy iphone 13 to be dropped and broken/lost. You'll be tempted to play on it and old sailors won't like that and the bossun bull will just fuck you harder for it.

Depending on what your nationality is and what the rest of the crew nationalities are. you could bring some English or your language if most of ppl ob are same nationality, newspapers, magazines if you happen to have some at home, but get the freeones you get in the plane. Just for ppl to spend time reading during coffee time
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>>1686377
Not in the beginning. And not for low positions.
When you are in the top 4 and have a reasonable amount of time in tha company maybe. Or you could just find a desperate reliever you do back to back with that wants to spend more time ob.
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any good videos/films/youtube channels that depict the modern day to day life onboard a merchant ship?
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>>1686543
Here you go, here's the most genuine and accurate depiction of sea life ever.
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>>1686543
There's a YouTuber called JeffHK that does some slick videos of cargo ship life and another named marktwained that chronicles working on a Mississippi river boat. Probably many others but I like those two
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>>1686550
Seconding JeffHK, comfy well shot videos that aren't just some faggot blogging but he hasn't posted anything in 7 months
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>>1686543
Oh yeah and a guy named martin marchado(so?) made a short film years ago that helped get me interested in this work: https://vimeo.com/41446533
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>>1686550
alright, thanks
>>1686552
i've seen this one, part of the reason why i asked for more
but to me it seemed more artsy than realistic
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>Sign on
>Hoping for an uneventful, relaxed contract without the bullshit
>Master is a fucking vlogger who sticks his camera in your face at every opportunity

https://youtu.be/tzkzcjNh5ms?t=363
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>>1686568
Straight up tell him you dont consent to him filming you. This is not a public environment this is a workplace, and that is his personal video not like, company security cameras. Report it to management, because that absolutely isnt professional and you almost certainly didnt sign "i allow the captain to make youtube videos of me" in the paperwork when you signed on.
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>>1686592
>he's enthusiastic enough about his career that he wants to make videos about it and educate people
what the fuck is your problem? i'm black and he aight
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>>1681483
>complain to your technical superintendant to have more spares simulation
>hear a greek dude on the phone calling you a malakia all the time
>shit breks hope you've put a lot of points on that fitter training

Yeah cool game
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>>1686548
Not on cruise ship. Its just that plus a crew bar shitfaced pic.
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>>1686595
>i'm black
why?
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>>1686595
Go be his dancing nigger then. Thats not what im at sea for, nigger.
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>>1686568
i'm getting that tiktok boomer energy from this guy
you know what i'm talking about
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>>1686751
true, but he doesnt seems to be an asshole. And god if I had my share of asshole captains.
Also anyone working in tanker industry as an officer? The new SIRE insepction 2.0 is fucking mental.
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>>1686752
>And god if I had my share of asshole captains.
wanna share some of your experiences?
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>>1686753
Ill name rapidly a few:

>pilot boards
>takes around 2 hours of channel before to arrive at pier
> bosun and a few deck hands are already fwd ready for anchor and assisted the pilot embarcation
>captain decides to wake everyone up in the middle of the night even if the mooring will only take place in 2 hours anyway.

Another one:
>cruise ship
>croatian deck officer clique (mafia)
>im not croatian and captain tells me they are not gonna rate me with promotion anytime soon. Personal insults here and there.
>I did other 1 contracts and then flipped the fingher to that company.

Another one:
>forecast of storm on the gulf of Lion (Between france and spain
> if you dont sail near the cost you gonna have a fucked up sailing and possible damage.
>he decides to cut throug the gulf and shit goes flying in the ship, damages computers and other equipments that falls.

Another one:

> going up and down on the road due to a storm
> bad weather ship barely manages to make way but has full manouvering and no slamming
>captain suddenly panic because current is making our SOG negative (going backwards)
>increase engine speeds.
>huge bow slams.
>Shit falls all around the bridge
>chief engineer goes ballistic.
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>>1686838
>Chief officer and Master of different nationality.
>Captain keeps meddling in the CO work, annoying him and redirecting maintenance works without talking with CO before
>day before disembarcation of CO
>forgot to mention CO is from montenegro, 2 m tall and gym trained
>captain is an italian slob
>CO in the middle of the night start shoting and hitting heavy punches on the cabin walls (that are on the side of the captain)
>screams "Im gonna kill you piece of shit" and other profanities.
>the morning comes, he comes out smiling from the cabin and heads luggage in hands towards out of the ship.
>captains hides from him till he goes away.
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>>1686838
>croatian ship mafia
yep, that's us
our people are scum, mariners doubly so
>>1686840
>CO is from montenegro
>screams "Im gonna kill you piece of shit" and other profanities.
montenegrins are usually chill. are you sure he wasn't serbian by nationality? ahaha

anyway, appreciate the input
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Engie student here. What minor should I choose?
Water and Energy (Power generation based on tidal and wave energy)
Offshore Renewable Energy (offshore wind farms)
Applied Data Science (machine learning & deep learning, probably some Python programming involved)
Equipment Maintenance Technology (maintenance strategies for offshore, transport, industry etc.)

Offshore Renewable Energy would get me a future-proof job as a young engineer, as I am around the North Sea and there are lots of wind farms being put there. It could also maybe get me a lot of money.
Applied Data Science seems interesting because programming is interesting.
Equipment Maintenance Technology would make me a maintenance manager/engineer. Don't really think I'd like this type of job. I'm afraid it would stress me out.
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>>1686880
We have the option of doing electro technical officer as a minor. Extra compentences, extra pay and most importantly some good and usefull education
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>>1686886
I'd pick that option in a heartbeat. Too bad my maritime academy resides within an applied science university instead of being it's own separate vocational school.
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>>1686891
Yup, maritime schools should be it's own seperate thing as it's hard to compare and treat the same as other studies. I know people who get the same level of education on paper but go to school 2 days in a week and have a whole whopping 10 exams in total
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>>1686893
Fucking this. Here in the Netherlands we have a higher vocational school and a regular vocational school for the maritime industry. I'm in the higher vocational school and I get the whole education on paper. I've barely touched a tool or a machine during the last two years.
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>>1686880
As an American engineering officer, id say you should pick whatever gives you any kind of experience and entry into systems automation controls/PLC stuff. That is the future and needs people. I am slowly studying it in my spare time as i hope to exit the maritime industry some day and move into systems automation.
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>>1686919
engineers aren't officers, chud
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>>1686950
t. birdwatcher
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVkD4lgXTEU
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Do any of you exercise on board? Something like bodyweight training like a prisoner?
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stupid question, but is there internet access underway?
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>>1687256
Depends entirely on the company, and it's doesn't correlate with pay at all. Maersk's onboard internet is dogshit despite them having so much money to work with, meanwhile Liberty has the best internet you can get on the ocean despite having the biggest cheapskates for executives in the entire American flag fleet.

Of course, even the best is slow; the best you can expect to get onboard a ship is just 56 kbps. Dialup tier. But it IS internet connectivity in the middle of the ocean, so
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>>1687279
not him but theoretically, could you somehow get a decent speed to watch hd videos uninterrupted?
assuming a reasonable investment of up to like a 1000 euros
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>>1687281
No clue. You'd be doing it entirely on your own, and you'd have to work around wiring it to your stateroom. Plus I dunno if the satellite setups you can buy would have coverage in the ocean or be able to handle the tracking required for being a moving receiver.

Not saying it can't be done, just that it requires a fair amount of research for knowledge I myself do not have, and I can't suggest you spend that kind of money without that knowledge.
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>>1687281
Iridium's max global coverage is ~700kbps, well below what you need for streaming HD videos. Similar performance advertised by Inmarsat.
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>>1685104
I'm going to a fucking car shop.
God help me.
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>>1687279
Man, I hope that whole Starlink constellation will work out decently.
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>>1687234
Yes. I have a pull up bar rigged to the overhead in the engine room, and some basic dumbells.
Cardio is whats hard because my vessel isnt big enough to really have any space to run laps/circuits and we dont typically have room for a bike or treadmill. Still, you gotta take care of yourself in this line of work given that any serious health issue can get your medical cert revoked or failed to renew, and so many people in this for decades end up as fat broken pieces of shit.

>>1687256
Slow sat uplink is about all you can expect, enough to text the family and get download a titty pic from the wife/gf in about 3 hours.

>>1687281
Nah. Nobody is gonna let you install your own comms equipment on their ship.

>>1687361
I assume you mean car ship. Enjoy shifting cargo causing you to roll over and die. rip in peace, F, etc.
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>>1687361
You kidding? Those are easy af for the engineers. You're gonna learn everything there is to know about hydraulics, though.
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>>1687279
>expect to get onboard a ship is just 56 kbps.
The 90s called they want their internet speeds back. Hoesntly it is great getting away from the electric jew for months at a time.
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What is a CHO?
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>>1687371
Wait, really? I felt a bit bummed because there was also an internship at shipyard, but they accepted only a few people.
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>>1687369
>Yes. I have a pull up bar rigged to the overhead in the engine room
Do you need permission to do that? Or are you the chief?
>Cardio is whats hard because my vessel isnt big enough
Are you on a tugboat? I think burpees and something like Navy Seals 500 from the movie Shot Caller could be a sufficient cardio workout.

>>1687361
You mean a RoRo? Atleast the vessel that you will board is bigger than mine. Good luck, fren
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question for anyone employed in european companies
is it difficult to get a job as a deck officer if you're under a suspended sentence?
and what about when the sentence has expired but you still have a felony in your criminal record?
also the felonies in my country get removed from your permanent record after a certain number of years depending on the length of conviction. is there a way for employers to find out about them regardless?
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>>1687565
Most eu companies i worked for never asked for my criminal record.
A colleague of mine from the uni got busted for drug trafficking ( weed > 1kg). Was employed at stena tankers after.
The only company that asked for one was bourbon offshore. But their pay was shit and i didn't accept their offer
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>>1687567
alright, thanks
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>>1687554
Oh. A literally car SHOP. I thought you hit the wrong key.

Well, you'll learn everything there is to know about how cars work, then.
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>>1687596
Oh.
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>>1687556
I'm the chief on a 120 ft ocean tug. My pull up bar is a 3' piece of pipe suspended from brackets on the overhead by 1/2" three strand line.

Yeah i can do burpees in my little 'gym' corner of the engine room but its hot as fuck down there.

Sometimes if we have a couple of hard charger young guys onboard we'll do group PT on the aft deck behind the winch but its hard to get that motivation on your own, at least for me.





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