>but I don't wanna buy a bike computer, it's too expensive!>*straps a $1000 phone to the bike, rapes the non-removable battery in 2 weeks of riding*>crashes, destroys the phoneWhy do people do this?
Only in your head do they do this
>>1665028https://www.jensonusa.com/search?q=phone+mount
>>1665027It's a 300$ phone in my case and the phone battery didn't take any damage from this in the years I've been doing it.>rather buy dedicated bit of kit with weaker functionality than a smartphone that you are carrying anywaysjust don't crash and learn how to cycle
>>1665028I know more people with phones strapped to their stem than people with bike computersIt didn't used to be this way
>>1665032>t with weaker functionality ok enjoy your 0% battery left after 90 minutes in the saddle, dumbass
So yesterday I saw a girl who had strapped her phone to her handlebars with elastic bands. Normies...when will they learn.I'm considering buying the F3 FormMount for my wahoo bolt. It looks nice.
>>1665041that looks cool but how are you going to torque those bolts properly with the mount in the way?
>>1665035I've ridden 2-3 hours with more than 50% left. I can turn the screen off temporarely, when theres nothing to navigate.When your smartphone batterie dies too quick it's time to replace that old shit smartphone with a new model.>dumbassI'm stunned by the creativity of that insult
>>1665046why even bother having your phone on your bars if you have to turn the screen off most of the time?
>>1665047Just as a measure to save battery when going without turns for a long time. I mostly never do it
>>1665027you just made up a person to be mad at and then made a thread
>>1665105/thread
>>1665042
>>1665027>rapes the non-removable battery in 2 weeks of ridingyeah nah
Why would you need your phone on constantly anyways? I use a phone as a map when riding, but I just keep it in a jersey pocket and only look at it every so often to check my location and plan my next turns.
>>1665041>I saw a girl who had strapped her phone to her handlebarsI hate women so much brothers. Inshallah they will learn
Why would you have either a phone or a computer strapped to your bike? What kind of consoomer hellscape are we actually fucking in?
>>1665119So you don't get a ticket
>>1665119to know where you are going
>>1665035>ok enjoy your 0% battery left after 90 minutes in the saddle, dumbassThe heaviest coping I've seen in a while.
why would riding with your phone damage the battery? what?
>>1665119People can't live without their fancy electronic gizmos.>>1665133>I'm to dumb to know how fast I'm going without looking at approximated GPS digitsImagine getting a speeding ticket on a bike, this has to come from Bongland or something.>>1665164pic related is all anyone with basic reading ability should ever need
>>1665273>pic related is all anyone with basic reading ability should ever needgood
>>1665275Fuck I'm dumb, meant this image.
>>1665027Better yet, why do faggots insist on riding in all black with a black bike on roads with 3000 lb + objects moving at fast rates of speed?
>>1665042I see a whole 180º available to do it with a regular allen, in both sides.
>>1665283NoIt takes too much space
>>1665286Because if I bought a hi-viz yellow frame you still would blame me for my own death, and if I just want to make sure the people who aren't texting can see me, I have lights for that.Why do cars have black paint?
>>1665283yeah i have one of those in my phone and it's automatized
>>1665283Paper map isn't any better (or worse) than a phone map. It's satnav that separates the humans from the nigger cattle.
>>1665046>>1665104>with weaker functionalityImagine thinking dedicated bike computers have weaker functionality when you have to turn off your screen on the phone so it doesn't die. Last weekend I had my head unit on for 14 hours with the screen on and GPS on, the battery is at 50% after that.
>>1665283When have you had an actual map in your hands? ever heard of google maps?
>>1665133where the fuck is this, and how can it reasonably be enforced when bicycles aren't routinely equipped with speedometers?Also if that's 15km/h, literally your grandma can go that speed on the flat very easily without even realising it. 15mph, that's really very fast (assuming this is an awful MUP type thing) and it should be lower.
>>1665590>Last weekend I had my head unit on for 14 hours with the screen on and GPS on, the battery is at 50% after that.But my phone can't do that, therefore you don't need that. No one needs that. They don't have that in Amsterdam. This is NOT a race!
>>1665610>When have you had an actual map in your hands?last summer paper maps work better when you are hiking in mountains of bumfucknowhere they don't require batteries or signal
>>1665610Paper maps are superior to jewgle maps for basically the same reasons paper books are superior to ebooks.OTOH internet maps are free and cater to retards who just want to be led around by the nose instead of doing any navigating (or other forms of thinking) so they're extremely popular.
>>1665672t.
>>1665678t. has never used a paper mapThere are places for jewgle maps, like when you're driving a car on an unknown city and have the address where you want to go. Or just want to see the closest restaurants. But planning routes in an area you're familiar with paper maps are vastly superior. The zooming and panning work a lot smoother on paper than on screen. Also superior when you're hiking because they don't need batteries. Though it's still a good idea to have a GPS device with you.
>>1665027Cheap, superlight and aero as fuck, battery lasts a year at least
>>1665736Cute as fuck. If I had known this existed I probably wouldn't have bought my expensive Wahoo but all the basic units I found were butt ugly so I figured might as well get something that has features if I'm getting something butt ugly
>>1665688Which reminds me, I wonder if they still haven't implemented a paper map navigation mode in ETS2/ATS
>>1665027>>1665035Most phones hold well over 4000mAh and charge from 0-usable in like 15 minutes these days. A bike app uses no more juice than you'd use while driving without a charger or communiting (probably a lot less usage than commuting). You can get cases that can easily survive a heavy impact, or you could just not be a retard and don't fall off your bike.
The element bolt v2 is now on the market, it's basically a mini Roam. Unlike the original bolt, it will re-route you if you go off track and it has a colour screen.
>>1665041>So yesterday I saw a girl who had strapped her phone to her handlebars with elastic bandsImagine being annoyed by that. Imagine posting on a Burmese cartoon board about it.
>>1666196I wasn't annoyed, you are the only person who is annoyed. Why write anything at all if you literally have nothing relevant to contribute? Also, take your meds.
>>1666200>take your meds.Why is it that every post you make is obnoxious and pointless. Please get a trip so I can filter you
>>1665736>caring about aero but not cadenceyikes>>1666189>wahoo>impossible to set up without a kikephoneomegayikes
>>1665688>planning routes in an area you're familiar withYou need a map to get around your own town? Your posts make a lot more sense now.
>>1666210not him but if you're tracking rides in areas where the GPS accuracy is questionable (like mountain routes where there can be two parallel roads with minimal horizontal separation but significant vertical separation), pre-loading a route helps the head unit track more accurately if it starts to go off track momentarily
>>1666203I can't say anything anything nice about you because you contribute nothing. At least I tell stories/post pictures/try to help people. This is an image posting board, not an echo chamber for your mental illness.
>>1666213you don't even know who I am because I don't use catchphrases to "sign" my posts like a /b/tard. why don't you pedal as hard as you can and ride off that cliff into the sea
>>1665046Shilling this hard for planned obsolescence
>>1666214No, I do know you. You are THAT guy who never has anybody nice to say, hates everybody and is triggered by everything. Meds, now take them you must.
>>1666219maybe if you weren't such a belligerent judgmental douche over every single topic, you wouldn't have this problem of "THAT" guy being everyone you interact with online. now hurry up and ride off that cliff, the afterlife is waiting!
>>1666210t. taxidriverDo you know all the streets and roads in and around your city by heart? Even all the small trails and gravel roads? Looking at a map it's easy to see the possible routes you could take plan possible rides. Or what's the fastest way to get somewhere. Or even in area you don't know that well. Much easier to use a paper map to see the possibilities than trying to zoom and pan on a digital map. For navigating the route having a GPS device helps a ton, but for route planning paper maps are a lot better if you're not just concerned about the fastest route.
>>1666220who hurt you anon? why are you seething so hard? i'm going to drop a truth nugget that may help you, but probably won't because you are just too full of hate. YOU are responsible for your own feelings... Also, don't forget to take your meds.
>>1666224>who hurt you
>>1666226ok anon. today is my free day so i'm going on a bike ride. Godspeed and don't forget to take your meds.
>>1666242Don't forget to ride off that cliff
>>1666246Meds
>>1666248Cliff
>>1666224>>1666226>>1666242>>1666246>>1666248>>1666250just fuck already
>>1666353Third party here. All I know is: zish should be fed to a shark. Then, the downtuber guy(s) and the aggressive "I'll win the argument by leaving the final reply" guy(s) need to be deserted on a Pacific island.
What about passive-aggressive "I'm replying to one person's posts in particular but I won't quote any posts so that person will look crazy if they reply to me" guy?
>>1666406That's indicative of believing (You)s are akin to upvotes and those posters should be laughed at momentarily then ignored.
>>1666406>the ol' don't @ me guy
>>1666353I don't know, seems kind of gay to me
>>1665035Typical apple users manyamir
>>1665104>>1665047>>1665046>Not using the framebag to house a miniature power pack that charges the thing up constantly for 10 hours.Do you racer types lack common sense, or is it too much weight for you? I've done that for years with my tablet and my action cam. It literally lasts all day with no problems.
>>1666189Bolt was perfect device, but v2 is awesome
>>1666226>Posting basedjaks when someone shows you some concern>Posting basedjaks at all.>Talking with near indecipherable images that could mean anything>including your reaction
>>1665034Phone does it all. You can stop and text, listen to music, do the strava and even pop it off to call someone. My old xz2 is perfectly fine as a computer and if it gets busted it didn't cost that much.
>>1666493>>1666226AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
>>1665027What GPS head unit has a battery with more replacement support than an iPhone?
>>1666581Battery life is a complete non issue. It's highly unlikely that you cycle so much that it would be an issue. And if you cycled so much that it would be an issue (which I highly doubt), otherwise you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question.Just get a wahoo bolt or some shit like the rest of us, it has like 16 hours of battery life and after 5 years of heavy use, maybe you will only get 10 hours out of it on a single charge. And by then, you can just buy a newer model.
a bike what?
>>1666490Enjoy your toasted battery
>>1665035>ride 10+ hrs with music, maps and strava>shit around during lunch and dinnerStill 30%+, many such cases
>>1666844hell, the bolt is getting updated this year so you can choose between getting a newer model or a discounted older model
So the bolt has a "take me to..." function. You just type in the address of the location you want to go (on your phone) and it will automatically create a breadcrumb route for you (without the turn by turn directions). So today I went on a ride with some friends in another town. Our meeting location was 26km away. The route that my bolt created using the "take me to" function was fucking shit, I should of just created a route using komoot or ridewithgps but I was too lazy. The route lead me though like 2km worth of really bumpy cobbled streets, mtb trails in the forest and at some point, it wanted me to ride along the railways tracks. That being said, the "bring me to...function" is completely shit, but it is excellent at bringing you home when you are in the middle of nowhere.
>>1670011The phone you always have does the same thing, better actually.
>>1670016admittedly yes, I just typed the location in google maps and the route it created for me is a lot simpler and makes a lot more sense, even though its 2km longer. The google maps algorithm is excellent. I still would never use my phone for navigating on a bicycle because it drains the battery very quickly. The wahoo bolt battery lasts like 15 hours.
>>16700221. get a better phone or a new battery2. turn off the screen when you're not navigating3. turn the GPS updating time down to like15 - 20 seconds instead of 1 or 3 in the settings of whatever app you're using
>>1670032No, why the hell should I get a new phone when I literally have a bike computer that does everything I want. I also don't need a new phone. When it rains or your hands are sweaty, the touchscreen doesn't work.The "take me now" function of the wahoo bolt is shit, but the navigation is excellent if you use a route you create your self.You are aware that a bike computer does more than navigating? The interface of the wahoo bolt is excellent. You can select which date fields are on the screen.. e.g. watts, heartrate, cadence, elapsed time, km, gradient, elevation...etc.. It's also good for doing sets of intervals.I carry my phone in my jersey pocket, when I recieve a message, the message appears on the screen of my bicycle computer, when somebody calls me, my bicycle computer rings.
Modern phones are mini computers, way better hardware.Problem is the software.
>>1670100No, the problem is the hardware. It's like using a frying pan to make coffee. Something that is good at A, B, C, D, and E is not necessarily good at X, Y, and Z and more than likely sucks at those things because it wasn't specifically designed for it
>>1670051>reddit guy BTFO
>>1665614>and how can it reasonably be enforced when bicycles aren't routinely equipped with speedometers?
>>1670103NopeSoftware and optimizing you low IQ pleb.
>>1670114what does this even mean?
>>1670176Nope. Science you anti-vax flat earther.
>>1665027>creates imaginary scenario in which he is "right"Why do people do this?
>>1670257Nah it's shit
>>1670230>what does this even mean?
>>1670313You make absolutely no sense bro. It was a valid question, how autistic are you? I understand that you are barely able to communicate in full sentences and that you are unable to experience empathy, but you do realise other people can't read your mind right?
>>1670285yeah but it protects your phone from getting wet and it even has space for one of those portable USB charger things. A phone is way better than a stupid bike computer.
>>1670326I'd rather have independent stuff.
>>1670322>You make absolutely no sense bro. It was a valid question, how autistic are you? I understand that you are barely able to communicate in full sentences and that you are unable to experience empathy, but you do realise other people can't read your mind right?
>>1670367low test post
>>1670369>low test post>t.
Before of even thinking of getting a bike computer, I want to get a power meter first.The app "Urban Biker" is decent enough for a smartphone, you can customize data fields, and it can connect to HR sensor and power meter sensor, while also offering offline navigation.
>>1670481>before getting a 100€ piece of equipment I want to get a 1000€ set of pedalsThey're not even remotely in the same commitment bracket
>>1670482>shitty bike comp vs premium top end power meterNice argument.NopeBike comp is very low on the priority list. And a power meter comes way before that.That's a good investment. Bike comp is only good if you do longer daily rides like on a tour.Otherwise bike comp can wait, wait and wait.
>>1670527>power meter>good investment for casual ridingLMAO
>>1670455Look at his skeletal dimorphism, huge jaw and brow, pronounced nose, uneraseable stubble and full, wide lips. Even has broad shoulders as a skinny dude. This guy is higher test than you.
>>1670540>strangely gay response
>>1670367well I guess you win this "argument" champ.
>>1665027I got an Edge 130 and it's great.
>>1670557Gays have refined spotting ideal male dimorphism to an art, the normals should learn from them
https://youtu.be/GjeEMZSrPsISo GCN did a video on phone vs bike computer.Their conclusion: bike computers are optimal if you are a Racer™. But if you are a normie who never rides more than 5km, phone will do.
whatever bro #yolo
>>1671158What if I'm a fucin casul that likes riding ~20k a day
>>1671158why do you even need anything if you're not riding more than 5km? you can just walk
>>1671158What do I need the phone for if I only ride 5 km?
>>1671182>>1671181I guess the assumption is that you're carrying your phone regardless
>>1669964they released Bolt v2 right after i bought a roam.Still love the roam. Bike comp is probably the best accessory I've bought for my bike, has helped me improve tremendously.
>>1665035The only battery I know of that’s that bad is the Nintendo Switch
I am looking for bike GPS that does standalone navigation. The racing features are OK, but not priority. Basically I am looking for unit that would help me find my way if I am lost in unfamiliar place with dead phone. Is Garmin 830 my only option at that price range? Wahoo roam and others seem to be focused mostly on racing, strava etc, but they seem to be lacking behind in the navigation department from Garmin.
>>1674746if you leave your phone in your pocket instead of trying to use it as a bike computer you'll probably find that you can ride all day and barely see any change in battery life
>>1665283>fellas wait for me "unwraps his 1x1m map and looking for his location for 10 minutes"
>>1665303That's the color people get when they want to be criminals. Black paint + super dark illegal window tint. Most cars I see are blue, white or red.
Because bike computers are closed ecosystems. I want to use whatever apps and maps I want, not the ones provided by whatever a bike computer manufacturer thinks are useful.
>>1665027>he has anything other than light and bell on his barsshiggy diggy
Hard to justify a bike computer, when a second cheap phone can be bought on Aliexpress for $100. Now you have a 2nd navigation option, and a backup phone device when touring.
>>1676529You'll need a second contract though.
>>1676529you can just use your old phone, or buy a used one>>1676536just swap the sim card between the phones
>>1676538Or, I turn on my Garmin, hit record and don't bother fiddling with minuscule cards.
>>1676543Record what exactly? I use my phone for navigation, not timekeeping.
>>1676545I can use it for that as well
It is true that GPS with the screen active drains the battery, but practicaly speaking most cycle journeys (1) consist of few major turns (2) the route can be committed to memory after it's been completed once. Bike computers do have a use for athletic purposes or people who have a ton of fresh destinations during the day. IMHO for touring especially overseas, the option of a second telephone in case of theft/tech failure, is superior to a Garmin/Wahoo.
>>1676554You can recieve audio directions from your phone as well.
>>1676554>after it's been completed onceYou've already run out of routes and are repeating them?
>>1676560Everyone is different, if I was a courier or athletic road cyclist I would want a dedicated computer. I cycle recreationally on local known circular routes and occasionally tour, so for me I prefer phone + backup phone if overseas.
>>1676543your garmin costs more than most bikes, an old phone is free and has a ton of value still in itand it's not even bike industry problem this time around, garmin are notorious cuntholes with monopolistic tendencies in everything they branch into, they literally make most of their bank by selling cheap tablets to planefags for 20x the price because they bribed out flight certification for them
>>1676652Not him but my Garmin cost $130 haha
>>1676652>waah I don't wanna buy a bike computer because I hate garmin!you know there are at least two, possibly as many as three brands of companies that make bike computers, riiiiiight?
>>1676656my current bike cost me ~$120 plus a raid on my parts bin>>1676657he said specifically garmin, garms are overpriced to hell and backnot that the rest of them aren't equal parts luxury and novelty, navigation is a very worthwhile skill to have
>>1676659walking is a good skill to have too, and yet you're cheating with that fancy two wheeler of yours. why not do things the right way instead of the easy way, young whippersnapper
>>1676659Cool dumpster bike bro
>>1676668bicycle is a more efficient way to use muscle power and is therefore fundamentally superior to walkingnavigator is a replacement for your own skills and is therefore just a luxury, luxuries can be omitted
>>1665027I do this to navigate to my destination when cycling somewhere in my city. Don't be a schizo.
i have this + strava on my phone in my bagbomboclaat
>>1676370>not looking up the directions before hand >not having a general idea of where shit is in your city
>>1681513>>not having a general idea of where shit is in your cityThis is why you ride.
>>1676823My own skills don't have a relatively faithful map of places I haven't been
>>1681696I think anon is a zoomer who thinks it's impressive that he can, in theory, get around unfamiliar areas without a smart phone, because he doesn't understand that's what billions of people did until they found a more convenient way to do it with literally no drawbacks
>>1681720I'd give him a paper map and a compass, to see if he knows how to use them
Just ordered a Kingkong Cubit Mini from Aliexpress as a backup phone/GPS device, costs around $100
>>1665669this
>>1666196t. Burmese
>have older, small phone just for biking shenanigans>have my actual phone set up to forward calls on bike phone when turned off>turn off daily phone whn going riding>have ALL benefits of phone, dont care about it breaking >oled screen + dark themes make it last 10-12 hrs of constant usesometimes I wonder how you faggots put shoes on in the morning
>>1676823Efficiency is a luxury. Luxuries can be omitted.
>>1680727No one cares.
>>1665736Came here to post this
>>1669814that's not how it works.
>>1682654>have ALL benefits of phone, dont care about it breaking if it breaks you have to buy a new onebike computers don't break because they aren't made of glass that suicides from a 3 foot dropalso you are not getting 10-12 hours of use out of that thing, you've never even been on a bike ride longer than 4 hours
>>1682768>if it breaks you have to buy a new oneSame with any device. Your point?>bike computers don't break because they aren't made of glass that suicides from a 3 foot dropThey do break, just like any other crap. Anyway for it to happen you need to crash or it needs to fall off your bike. In event of crash I'm more worried about 1. myself and 2. bike. All else is of little value. And I have never have phone fall off a mount.>also you are not getting 10-12 hours of use out of that thing, you've never even been on a bike ride longer than 4 hoursYeah keep projecting, I just finished my 4-day 520km trip 2 days ago
>>1682898>Same with any device. Your point?no, different devices may or may not break under the same conditions>They do break, just like any other crap.t. buys nothing but crap>Anyway for it to happen you need to crash or it needs to fall off your bike.which it will, since phones are heavy and not designed for mounting>In event of crash I'm more worried about you know how I can tell neither your bike nor you have any value? that's right, because you ride with a phone for a bike computer like a hobo living under a bridge>Yeah keep projecting, I just finished my 4-day 520km trip 2 days agooh yeah? well I just finished my 3 day, 700 mile trip that I do every 2 days
>>1682928Cool how you avoided the fact that I have had nothing happen to my phone.Keep seething, friend, and enjoy your computer on your epic trips :^)
>>1671163This guy knows what's up. Everyone with a little sense in them knows that a dedicated bike computer with gps is superior to a phone.That said, Having a phone at the ready can be super useful for things that a bike computer can't do, like music, calls/messages, searching and navigating to restaurants/shops/sights.There's no need to choose and argue. Just go with what you like.
I just use my indestructible old phone that's small as a bike computer but with all the extra usability
>>1683642My nugga
>>1674746Garmin Edge Explore
>>1665027Unrelated but my only way of transportation is a shitty cyclist bike. I have a question, how do I cycle hill without getting tiered? Fucking hills make me hate cycling.
>>1685097a) get fitb) lower gearsc) ebiked) move elsewheree) all of the above
>>1685098>get fitworking on it>lower gearsif I go slower i'm gonna fall of the bike>ebikeI can't afford it>move elsewherecantSo nothing I can do it seems...
>>1685097>a shitty cyclist bikeas opposed to what, a pedestrian bike? a motorist bike? a hovercraft bike?
Holy shit I expected a thread about cycle computers not this shitpost extravaganza.
>>1685099>working on it>nothing I can doAnon...>if I go slower i'm gonna fall of the bikePedal faster to maintain speed. That's what lower gears are for.Also learn some bike balance. Or get a trike.
