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Post your best burgerpunk stroads ITT. the more dismal, the better.
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What's burgerpunk?
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>>1660515
I guess you could summarize it as a world built for cars and not for people, run by cheap chain restaurant and discounter stores.
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>>1660518
I saw that movie. It was pretty fun.
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Stroad: russian style.
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>maybe if I keep spamming multi lane streets my dumb buzzword will finally catch on
dumb itoddler
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>>1660530
how is that a stroad? this is a proper road with two proper streets on the side, and it is nicely divided.
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>>1660532
thats a freeway and not a stroad.
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>>1660535
Except it's not, and before 2000s it was a large boulevard.
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>>1660523
this was so fucked up. make the headlights the eyes goddamnit
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>>1660533
cope harder sprawl cuck.
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>>1660543
Just a wide arterial street.
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Stroadified arterial now.
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>>1660554
And 20 years earlier.
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>everything should be 1 lane Dutch alleys with 15 kmh speed limits.
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>>1660554
>>1660556
ok, this is border line
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>>1660532
Especially sad is how it cuts through what used to be squares and platzes
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>>1660557
This, but unironically
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Not really sure what qualifies as stroad, but just posting main artery of car traffic in Zagreb, Croatia
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>>1660972
same stroad
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>>1660975
and the famous rotor, recently refurbished
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>>1660564
Dinosaurs once populated these lands.
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>>1660972
A stroad is an ugly amalgamation between a street and a road, trying to be both and succeeding at neither
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>>1660972
Stroads are traffic surfaces that by low traffic volume and accommodation of different types of users should have been comfy streets but instead were built as oversized car centric roads. The hallmarks are that they have far more lanes than necessary, are hostile to walking or cycling, and are lined with shitty chain stores with huge parking lots instead of walkable local businesses.
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>>1660978
Forgive the ESL, but what then is the distinction between a street and a road?
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>>1660981
Since stroad is a coined term between street and road, the guy here explains his differences between all 3
https://youtu.be/ORzNZUeUHAM
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>>1660538
I feel like empty cars rolling around with uncanny valley eyes too far apart would have scared children
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>>1660503
OK is a good one.
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>>1661060
they guys in the little houses on the left must feel real cozy about those 6 lanes plus roadside parking right on their front door.
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Look anywhere in Atlanta.
In Buckhead it's weird because you're not sure if an area is the downtown or a highway. It's fucking dumb. Tons of traffic deaths, tons of traffic.
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>>1660997
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>>1661079
>McMansion built from sawdust and styrofoam.
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>>1660991
Not Just Bikes is biased as hell.

Guy loves walking a block or two to put his trash in a public dumpster. Yet thinks taking a wheelie bin 20 feet to the curb is a Hassle.

4 grocers next to each other with 90% same goods and prices is great. So he can go shopping every day on his way home. 1 large supermarket every couple miles, and weekly shopping is bad.

Using 2 bikes and a train to commute across the city is great. Driving in the same amount if time is bad, somehow.
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>>1661110
I wonder who could be behind this reddit spaced post.
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>>1661117
Oh fuck off about spacing. It's either "reddit spacing", or "tldr/wall of text".
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>>1661110
Correct.
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>>1661126
Where is this?
Kinda looks like Union Ave in Brooklyn.
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>>1661110
It's just a piece by people who have a profit motive to create impossibly traversable roads in order to install yet another piece of the matrix to create an urban trap to extort people for money to do literally anything except breathe. and they're probably working on that one too.
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>>1661118
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>>1661155
Dear Boomer, please stop samefagging, it is very cringe especially since we can see the number of posters.
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>>1661138
Not sure.
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>>1660980
Go back
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>>1661157
lol
>you have to be at least 18 to post here.
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>>1661138
Few too many pedestrians for a street serviced by the G train
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>>1660554
>>1660556
Was Capitalism a mistake?
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>>1661168
NYC makes me uneasy but they're honestly really friendly because I have a heavy texas-style accent.
>pic related reminds me of some kind of modern war dystopia game
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>>1661208
Only if improperly regulated, like it is today
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>>1661211
The accent makes us think you are a simpleton and therefore vulnerable to hucksters and the like, it's similar to how people are overly friendly to a child that seems lost. Contrary to popular belief new yorkers have empathy and don't want misfortune to befall visitors
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>>1661218
It's true, but the funny part about it is that the hucksters and the like are way better at what they do where I'm from because people are generally suspicious as fuck.
>I'm talking "you aint from around here" kind of overly suspicious
Many more business owners, urban dwellers and welfare queens ie the people who can't afford to travel make a much better mark.
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>>1661218
>It's a lot like Mexico
>In NYC I actually didn't feel the need to have a firearm on my person but the politicians from these places are really overstepping trying to federally regulate laws pertaining to that.
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When stroads meet!
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>>1661232
I guarantee that intersection looked identical 100 years ago.
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>>1661237
But with horses.
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does this count?
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>>1661308
here's how they want to change it
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>>1660981
Your English is fine; it's a made up term from some faggot youtuber
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>>1661448
Your English isn't fine; he was asking about the difference between a road and a street.
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>>1661208
Trams removal in Moscow started long before 1991.
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>>1661455
There is none, they both are passageways to move traffic.
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>There is none
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>STROADS
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>>1661310
>street parking
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>>1661308
Wide ass boulevards like that are tough to change but some bike lanes and trees should do the trick.
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The north circular is widely regarded as a mistake by everyone in the UK. It's pretty much the only road of its kind in the UK for that reason.
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>>1661539
>The north circular is widely regarded as a mistake by everyone in the UK.
Why?
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>>1661543
Lower capacity than a separated motorway/trunk road, horrible noise for residents, doesn't provide enough capacity to be worth it. The entire idea of high capacity inner-city trunk roads isn't worth it.
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>>1660576
19th avenue is a full on road, and it's in the awkward position of being the straight path between two interstates. It obviously can't be turned into a street, should have just been a freeway from the get-go.
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>>1661060
that's my old school on the right top kek, kids used to smoke in the abandoned lot on the left.

>>1661063
it was all dumb chinamen around us.
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I don't get it, OP is upset with the idea of a road?
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>>1661573
From what I understand, OP is upset about shitty infrastructure combining the worst aspects of a road with the worst aspects of a street, and getting the benefits of neither.
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>>1660515
You'll know it when you see it.
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>>1660557
Yes.
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>>1660503
why does OP hate avenues?
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>>1662104
st george is peak burger comfy
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Amidoinitrite?
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>>1662140
I unironically like this
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>>1662140
perfect, couldn't get much more soulless.
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>>1662109
The St George area has a ton of bike paths that go nowhere. They don't connect to each other or to anywhere you want to go. They just sort of exist.
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>>1662140
*asphalt and construction industry rubbing their hands*
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>>1662148
I mean this is true of all bike paths especially in dense cities to an extent
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>>1662152
no, it's not.
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>>1662153
Why so obstinate? I see it all the time, greatly paved road with a nice bike lane, then an intersection, and suddenly no bike lane anymore. Or the road just ends and the intersecting streets don’t have any bike lanes. I mean if you go on google maps and turn on the bike lane overlay, you can see it in any city, just patchy bursts of bike lane that last like 3 blocks.
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>>1662155
They get interrupted at times, it's not that they lead absolutely nowhere. not the same thing.
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>>1662156
They get interrupted and a lot of them do lead to nothing, also just start at nothing too. Like there will be a 2 mile stretch of a road with beautiful bike lane then nothing for the rest of the road. It really pisses me off as a cyclist
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>>1662159
>mile
Funnily enough, Europe doesn't have that problem.
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>>1662161
You sure? There’s tons of fractured, short bike lanes in European cities too
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>>1662162
It’s a universal problem because simply not that many people rode bikes anywhere.
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>>1662162
London is not in Europe cause Brexit means Brexit. Miles only exist on Englands Green and Pleasant Land. Which is not part of Europe
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>>1662163
What are you talking about, that's a good bike network, it's minimally fractured and those bike paths lead somewhere. I mean this is a dream compared to the shit people in America have to cope with.
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One of the worst things about these places is the heat.
Asphalt gives off tons of heat and in summer it’s insufferable in the south. One reason I grew an aversion to massive parking lots and stroads.
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lovely!
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>Scenic Highway
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>>1662140
Freedom!
Seethe eurocucks!
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>>1662152
The thing with the ones in/around St. George is they seem to be primarily for people within a subdivision to bike around/out of a subdivision. Once they are out of it they are usually at a 50 mph road. Only like 2 even go by a grocery store. There's a path that goes through the university and ends 2 blocks outside the university on either end.
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come up with a better name
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>>1662196
>it is intentionally a terrible name because these are terrible places
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>>1662257
who are you quoting?
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>>1662280

>>1660991
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>>1660543
nothin wrong with that. good trees and walkable
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>>1662155
theres some bike path near me that goes for 1 mile along a semi busy road then just ends near some stripmall and the other end just stops in the middle of a field lol
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>>1662168
Imagine taking just one day to walk to the store, you'd probably die of heat stroke and take 5 hours just to get there
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I came in for burgerpunk, but it's just some faggot crying about boulevards.
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>>1663040
>I came in for burgerpunk, but it's just some faggot crying about boulevards.
Aren't they the same thing? Most "burgerpunk" is basically "muh McDonald's sign", "muh freeways", and "muh late stage capitalism"
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>>1662168
>Islands are way too big for what they are, but too small for something to be set up in the middle.
Holy fuck I hate this
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>>1663294
You could easily merge 2 or 3 together.
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>>1661071
lmao fuck this stretch of road. The intersection with Roswell right there sucks and that mall is a nightmare to navigate with a car. There's a great Turkish place around there though, Cafe Agora
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a lot of people are misinterpreting 'stroad' to just mean cars and traffic
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>>1661153
these are your prototypical stroads. Capable of traffic, yes, but that's not what the definition is.
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>>1660972
>>1660980
>that wasn't REAL stroadism
fine herbs in all fields
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a lot of these more of a boulevard or just a wide main traffic road than a stroad

i thought the main criteria for a stroad is that there's a huge flat area of tarmac which is basically uncrossable for pedestrians due to the traffic, and businesses face directly onto it making the streetside environment noisy and polluted, so people just turn up in their car and never walk anywhere
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>>1663467
Sounds like pretty much anywhere in North America.
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>>1663628
Which makes it frustrating that so many of these pics are just high-traffic arterials in New York City instead of the innumerable actual stroads the average American drives down every day to get groceries.
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>>1663636
I feel you bro, here, have some real stroad.
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>>1663651
Hnnnggg yeah that's the good shit
It even has a sad little bus stop in the corner that no one uses
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What happens to all those stroads and burbs once the money runs out? Are there examples?
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>>1664015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmE

this but with less concrete and more MDF and plastic
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>>1660524
As a New Yorker, Park Avenue barely falls into the same category as shit like
>>1660503
>>1660518
>>1662170
>>1662168
Maybe it's the median, or that the 20+ story apartment complexes and the lanes being squished together make it more palpable to me than the urban wastelands of the midwest
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>>1661179
I am back, now go down.
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>people bitching about "stroads" when Not Just Bikes never mentions how fucking flat the Netherlands is, or the fact that you can drive across the entire country at it's longest point in under a day, or the fact that it has 5X the population density of America's most dense state.
Face the facts, The reason roads are so prevalent in America is because we are the 3rd most mountainous country, and the average distance traveled per day in America is something like 30 miles.
in the Netherlands it's fucking 2.7 kilometers or something retarded.
Their country is just a bunch of pumped out sealand as well, so they have literally zero natural beauty in their country. If they didn't have this kind of fancy nice looking roads they would be the biggest concrete pancake piece of shit on earth.
I mean you can't even fucking take your kids camping in the Netherlands without hearing road noise and going to one of those gay payed public campsites.
(pic related is their Netherlands tallest waterfall.)
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>>1664430
And here's what my own personal averaged daily commute to college would look like. keep in mind that this is the average distance that the average American travels daily.

Now picture living in a country that is so crowded that you can live your entire life in an area smaller than this. That's the Netherlands.

If you would question the sanity of an Alaskan native complaining about the lack of small airports in downtown Amsterdam, why not not question the motives of Dutch cyclist complaining about the lack of bike paths in the US?
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>>1663679
no, the public transport is only used to shovel the poor people who can't afford to buy their own personal automobiles.

These hybrid roads are just the result of poor zoning laws that allow useless bus lanes, and bike lanes next to former highways when the city limits are increased.
Notice how whenever a stroad is mentioned, the are always within a city's limits. This is because the innefectual infastructure is commonly built over areas that would be former medians and shoulders.

Note the former medians (marked in blue) which are now turned into the Seattle E-line's bus lanes, who's primary usage is to shuttle hookers and drug dealers to the Lowe's parking lot and Krispy Kreme's corner (marked in black)

Aroura Ave never looked like a nice place, it used to be a highway, it's a shame that Seattle overtook it and turned it to shit.
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>we're big
there it is
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>>1660557
Everything should be pedestrianised.
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>>1664439
You're just admitting that the US has shitty car-centric urban planning.
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>>1664469
Yeah we should have just planned to level all the hills, right? Dutch '''''people''''' were a mistake
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>>1664430
>>1664439
I fail to se how any of this is relevant to stroads.
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wtf do hills have to do with car-centric design
half of the major cities in the US are flat as a pancake
this excuse only works for third world countries who can't afford to build rail bridges and tunnels
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>>1664485
oh you're the big developer YIMBY shill, why don't you get a trip so I can filter you
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>>1664486
schizo
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>>1664487
better yet just KYS
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>>1664478
My point is that there is no problem, Americans don't waste time replacing our already functional roads with bike paths because having everyone cycle 4 hours per day on average is moronic. Do you really fail to see how the average American doesn't want to spend 4 hours cycling each day?
>>1664469
I'm admitting that there are several key geographic features that enabled the Netherlands to create such a huge cycling culture in the first place.
So naturally Dutch cities are more walkable and biker friendly than the US, and Canada. The Netherlands is one of the smallest, and flattest countries on earth.
So either you cycle around their cities on the strict bike paths, or "camp" at a government campsite with 20 other people around you and cellphone access.
Of course if you actually own a car, there are usually several world-class day hikes within a few hours drive of most if not all large US and Canadian cities, not to mention plenty of outdoors to camp for free.
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>>1664652
>My point is that there is no problem, Americans don't waste time replacing our already functional roads with bike paths because having everyone cycle 4 hours per day on average is moronic. Do you really fail to see how the average American doesn't want to spend 4 hours cycling each day?
I... don't think you're posting in the right thread.
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>>1660503
>best burgerpunk stroads
Are you huffing paint?
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>>1664652
>>1664439
>>1664430
>mountains are why we can't have good urban planning
interesting and new cope from a yank
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>>1664756
>good urban planning is mindlessly copying stuff that makes sense in one place, and blindly applying them in a totally different place without stopping to ask why
you know why the nazis were bad? because they only killed dutch jews. they should have killed all dutch.
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>>1664699
yep still in the right thread.
>>1664756
no, I'm saying that the reason we don't use bikes is because cars are more safe at high speed, use a bus if you are too fucking poor to afford a cheap car.
You can't pedal up a fucking hill as fast as I drive up it with my car, and if you're in the street you're gonna get ran over.
not my problem
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Cagers are pathetic holy crap
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>>1664439
>has to live 25 km away from workplace
>this isn't shitty urban planning at all

you do know that in normal countries it's not this way, right?
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>>1664430
>The reason roads are so prevalent in America is because we are the 3rd most mountainous country.
New levels of american cope.
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>>1664485
>this excuse only works for third world countries who can't afford to build rail bridges and tunnels
But UShartsA is a 3rd world country.
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>>1664965
Japan is not that cycling friendly. They tend to walk their bikes up hills.
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>>1664967
>cycling
Who cares? Even though there are many bikes in Japan, rail is the king.
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>>1664929
daily reminder that you WILL be ran over riding a bike on American roads.
and a painted bike lane won't stop them.
>>1664967
you will not find any other nations that are as obsessed with bikes like the Netherlands. and even then it's something dumb like only 1/4th of all Dutch distance traveled by bikes.
bikes are moderately faster than walking.
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pisses me off that mentality
>just do everything like the most cyclified nation in the world while ignoring local conditions
propose something realistic, gradual steps if you want to be taken seriously
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>>1665063
There are no realistic, gradual steps you can take because American urban design drips down from laws and regulations. It’s illegal to build anything else. If not, say goodbye to federal gibs.

All you can do is fuck everything and start over.
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>>1665076
meds
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>>1665076
Agreed. The only way to fix America is to let developers build whatever they want, wherever they want, as cheaply as they damn well please, and the people who live where they’re building should have no way to oppose it.
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I wonder how much it costs to maintain stroads.
Traffic lights cost hundreds of thousands of dollars apiece, then you've got all the drainage ditches, signage and policing.
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>>1665081
Yes this. Also property rights themselves should be flexible. Only companies as large as Related or Kushner should have their interests defended by the government. Any small property owners let alone renters should be allowed to be steamrolled by those with more money because otherwise how will the wealth trickle down?
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>>1665081
retard. bad urban planning is much better than no urban planning.
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>>1665090
There’s still planning, it’s just that the planning is being done by corporations rather than the government.
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>>1661081
It's settled: Americans are the worst thing this earth has ever seen.
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>>1665081
Intersting, in America there is apparently only two ways of urban planning possible, abysmally bad urban planing and full out deregulation with no planing at all. I wonder why all other countries are doing better.
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>>1665126
Why are people saying there's no planning? There is still planning, it's just that the planning is being done by efficient, successful corporations motivated by keeping the end user happy, versus woefully inefficient local governments that allow the people who live in the town to decide what gets built, rather than the optimal solution.
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>>1665132
>but muh ancap
ever wondered why nobody takes you serious?
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Someone forgot his meds
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>>1664445
>Notice how whenever a stroad is mentioned, the are always within a city's limits.
lmao get a grip, stroads are fucking everywhere. And they aren't just repurposed or rezoned older roads. They are built brand new all the time
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>>1664477
>Terrain has very steep hills
>I know, build the road DIRECTLY UP THE FUCKING HILL
it's like the planners never went hiking before. When you look at contours on a map, you don't want to walk exactly at 90 degrees to the contours because it takes the most work/energy.
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>>1660503
Iowa City is very comfy and pedestrain/cyclist-friendly. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of our neighbor to the west. Coralville shouldn't even qualify as a town, it's just two stroads with some houses sandwiched between them.
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>>1665222
>Iowa City
I see you got train tracks. Got public transport?
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>>1665222
Different strokes
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>>1665228
No passenger trains, but we do have a bus system. I don't use it much because walking, cycling, or driving is more convenient than waiting for a bus.
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>>1665157
Planners in another part of the world laid out those streets. No sane and competent civil engineer, would make that street while there in person.
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>>1665233
>No passenger trains,
Shame, those tracks look like they could make for a high capacity city transport.
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>>1665228
>train tracks
freight rail with near 100% chance owners don't want passenger traffic on it
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>>1665156
Then give me 3 examples of a "stroad" that's outside of a city's limits. That isn't connected to an existing highway. Something "built brand new" for purpose.
>>1665271
AM track has been loosing money since it's inception in 1971.
In order for it to become a viable alternative to auto transport in the US, they need to be allowed to get rid of the long train routes that loose AM track money.
I don't think it will ever really take off though unfortunately.
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>>1661465
Hahahaha
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>>1665408
oh hello dear 50+ boomer, how's life in the burbs?
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When I see areas like the OP all I see is economic decline.
When I see walkable, mixed use places I see local businesses and happy people enjoying being outside.
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>>1665359
>Then give me 3 examples of a "stroad" that's outside of a city's limits.
what is your definition of a city? I'm almost sure that no what I post you will counter with "Hah see?? It's in a city!!" Even if its a town of a few tens of thousands
>That isn't connected to an existing highway. Something "built brand new" for purpose.
That's not what I meant you collosal faggot. Stroads are literally existing highways (state or local) that are turned into venues of commerce. That is the definition of a stroad: a road built for high speed A to B travel that also services business.

So you've set it up to never accept any response to your question. Regardless, I'll play your game and I don't care that you won't play along.

1. Buford Highway, Cumming, GA
Cumming has a population of ~6000 with greater area approaching 100k. It is far from any major city, nearest begin the shitfest of Atlanta in the bottom left of the map view (found in the reply to this post)
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>>1665359
Here is the map view, showing this town is in the middle of nowhere GA. There is not interstate nearby, with 400 being a state highway
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>>1665699
One of the things I hate most about American development is how we paved highways through the middle of our small towns (often because the highways are required to be straight and maximize car speed). We could have had comfy villages but the highways and billboards ruined it.
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>>1665359
>>1665699

2. Robert Byrd Road, WV
Middle of nowhere West Virginia near some mall.
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>>1665703
map view
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>>1665359
>>1665699
3. Washington Court House, OH
population ~15000, in between Cincinnati and Columbus, OH
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>>1665359
map view of Washington court


There. I played along. These were all examples that I've driven through and instantly was able to think of. I easily could have picked a number of others because this is what everything fucking looks like everywhere.
Now go ahead and reply with something clever.
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>>1665701
You can't have maximised car speed with at-grade intersections either so the whole thing is completely pointless.
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>>1665752
How many decades will it take to build America back to comfy?
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>>1665769
Some areas will never be able to be fixed. Looking at you Atlanta.
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>>1664652
> there are usually several world-class day hikes within a few hours drive
Another point of car culture is that anything other than taking a car is seen as mere recreation, rather than a viable part of a transportation mix.
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>>1664775
So the reason bikes aren't used and cars have a monopoly is that bikes aren't used and cars have a monopoly.
Design everything around the automobile, then use the fact that everything is designed around the automobile as a reason not to include any alternatives or actual options.
The car-centric society is unsafe for anyone else, so the solution is for everyone to have a car. Of course, everyone having a car means more accidents, so get a larger vehicle to stay ahead of the pack. Except everyone does that so get an ever larger vehicle...
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>>1664430
> the average distance traveled per day in America is something like 30 miles
Which reflects land use decisions more than anything else; overwhelming majority of trips are within regions, not between them. That's not an input or an unchanging variable.
>we are the 3rd most mountainous country
And these mountains appeared in the 1940s/1950s? Prior to that point, it was flat as Kansas from sea to shining sea?
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>>1665671
NOOOOO you can't enjoy being outside and being around people!
You WILL live isolated in a 2k sqm house.
You WILL have a front yard, backyard and a pool.
You WON'T look at your neighbors.
You WILL own 2 cars and 1 pick-up.
You WILL drive everywhere
And you will be happy.
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>>1665837
A majority of Americans do that, and they are happy!
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>>1665837
Sorry anon.
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>>1665847
Is this a surprise? Look at these drained faces
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>>1661110
Hey, buddy, you just blow in from stupid town?

> walking a block for trash
Mostly agree

> 4 grocers and shopping every day
Maximum comfy. I do this in a downtown Midwest city. It is divine to pick up groceries as you need them instead of buying tons of food you will waste.

> using 2 bikes is great
Post your body fat percentage right now.
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>>1661457
>>1660981
>road
A wide way leading from one place to another, especially one with a specially prepared surface which vehicles can use.

>street
A public road in a city or town, typically with houses and buildings on one or both sides.
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>>1661110
>4 grocers next to each other with 90% same goods and prices is great. So he can go shopping every day on his way home
yes, competition is good and frequency prevents waste
>1 large supermarket every couple miles, and weekly shopping is bad.
correct, also your milk is $2 more now.
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>>1661310
make the parking the bus lane and have it be 2 lanes for cars
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>>1660981
A street is a destination itself.
A road is just a path to get from A to B, traditionally between cities. But American suburbia has blurred the distinction.
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>>1665847
Describing yourself as happy and enjoying your life are two very different things when you factor in culture. Look how many people die by suicide in cities as opposed to rural and suburbs. It's lower despite cities giving more ample suicide opportuinities
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>>1661915
>posting eddy grant
>avenues
MY GIGGLES JUST WENT HIGHER
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Stroad one out for your boy.
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Don't blow your stroad, boys.
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>>1660557
this
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>>1664477
>grab groceries from car
>a lemon falls out
>rolls down one mile
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>>1663294
You can see what looks like a freeway in the distance, and some extra right of way to the right of the picture. It looks like it may have been planned as a freeway at some point but then those plans got scrapped and became a boulevard instead.
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>>1665830
>And these mountains appeared in the 1940s/1950s? Prior to that point, it was flat as Kansas from sea to shining sea?
Well come to think of it, yes actually
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>>1660556
>>1660554
Both look despair. Russia was a mistake
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>>1662140
You just posted 90% of the US and Canada, damn, impressive.
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>>1660564
Oh hey, its Everett Mall Way.
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>>1666419
>Describing yourself as happy and enjoying your life are two very different things
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>>1660532
That's just a big road
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Which, if any, areas of the United States actually have walkable rural/small city areas? I am not a huge fan of cities outside of the ability to travel largely without a car, but I absolutely detest the flip side which I've spent most of my life in which are mid sized/small towns that are reminiscent of most images in this thread where absolutely everything is built for cars.

My ideal place to live would be a city of about 50 to 100k people where I don't need a car to go everywhere. Seems exceedingly rare in the midwest
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>>1668640
No.
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>>1669594
>midwest
twin cities or madison perhaps. i live in madison and its great for bikes, lots of lanes/paths, very flat, can ride from one end of the greater madison area to the other without any problems.
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>>1669822
should add that winters obviously suck, but can still be doable on bike. also i guess twin cities is going to be well above your population target. madison iirc is like 250k people but feels smaller for some reason (probably the lakes that split up the entire city).
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>>1669594
Grand Rapids too. The best part about small Midwestern cities is that you can live in a walkable part of town but still have your own house.
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So apparently due some infographic someone posted, a "stroad" is some sort of street/road hybrid, comparing a street showing no parking, narrow, slow, etc. to a "road" with no outlets and faster speed. Which in addition didn't really explain why they were bad (beyond muh aesthetic) nor offer any sort of middle-ground alternative. Density has middle ground, roadways can't?
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>>1670519
Stroads fail at both mobility (they're impeded by traffic lights, cross streets, turns, parked cars) and fail at accessibility (they're awful for people to access businesses, dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists). Rather than the best of both worlds, they are the worst of both worlds.

Strong Towns is a blog from a conservative engineer who advocates for urbanism and fiscal responsibility.
https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2013/3/4/the-stroad.html
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>>1670519
A stroad is any road not in a city
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>>1670859
>blog from a conservative engineer
I glanced through the archives, certainly more even-handed than the blogs that hate cars, single family housing, and seem to advocate the idea of treating humans like cattle (there was one on Japanese subway staircases), etc. but it's really more of the same. Sure it points out the obvious (New Urbanism development is usually for affluent people) but it downplays a lot of the issues on why the homeless population can make a city less walkable, or the whole public toilet issue (guess what, in cities NOT infested with homeless people, you don't have to pay to use businesses' restrooms), or occasionally comes to absurd conclusions ("Well, I don't SEE any pedestrians in this rebuilt intersection, THEREFORE it's OBVIOUSLY not pedestrian friendly"). I guess in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king...
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Does America have a road straight enough so there can be a proper pro-peloton tier race without a single turn?
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>>1660532
kino
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>>1661308
No. You don't have to cross 4 lanes at the same time.
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>>1665837
>2k sqm house.
If I can afford that, I'm royalty and I don't have any problems for the rest of my life.
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>>1671144
You're thinking square miles, I said sqm (square meters). 2k sqm would be about 44x44 meters, considering only 40 to 50 percent of it is building and the rest is grass, sounds like your average American suburb.
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Does this qualify? I have to drive through this hellscape if I want to buy anything at all
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>>1660503

Toronto here. Fucking KILL me (if some cager Pajeet monkey doesn't first).
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>>1662168

What in the name of sweet fuck is the purpose of this!?
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>>1671038
He's from an exurban/rural community so he doesn't deal with homeless people very often. He's very much more a proponent for responsible design in small towns (e.g. Don't give subsidies for a Walmart in your town, invest in your downtown instead) or suburbs (eventually you will have to repair your streets and sewers and if it's all built within 10 years it will be a monster bill when it comes due.) He argues suburbs don't spend enough on infrastructure because of unfunded liabilities of their infrastructure and that you need more density to support the public financing of future infrastructure needs. It's very much an accounting, fiscal responsibility, business perspective of cities, not any of that touchy feely urban planning stuff that cities mess with.
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>>1664021

This is why public housing is a terrible idea...
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>>1665584

No joggers in the burbs.
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>>1662168
At least you can choose between McDonald's and Whataburger.
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>>1669823
With studded bike tires it’s not too bad if you’re not going too far. I biked to my old job even at -30
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>>1660503
>burgerpunk
Lmfao
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>>1671941
So close minded. No, public housing is a bad idea when badly implemented and cutting costs everywhere.
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>>1662168
my god... it's beautiful.
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>>1663294
>>1671785
>>1672085
Like >>1667607 said already, it's wide and not landscaped to accommodate the lengthening of the freeway in the background. Planners actually did their job.
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>>1672063
It's badly implemented because not free market. Many such cases!
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>>1672088
I was being serious, it's comfy beyond belief. Pictures like this make me want to live in america, I can just imagine mowing my lawn in the generic 'burbs, then getting into my automatic transmission toyota camry to drive 20 miles in a straight line with the AC blasting to mcdonalds to pick up a 4000 calorie mid morning snack consisting of 9 cheeseburgers and a literal litre of milkshake, back home to watch fox news and beat the wife until the early afternoon when I make the same journey, this time to Lowe's to pick up some 2x4 for no specific reason. so fucking comfy. god bless america.

just look at it, those turn lanes are making my dingdong feel funny
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>>1672110
Ngl it's pretty nice
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>>1672110
It really is nice. It’s cool being able to get to anywhere in town in 10 minutes, and the next suburb over in 15.
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>>1660503
semirural bong stroad
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>>1662162
I like that bicycle shaped bit near York Way
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120 foot wide stroad
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a sea of asphalt where there could be a waterfront park.
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>>1672200
So?

>>1672202
The Great Lakes were some of the most polluted bodies of water in North America for decades, when that was built it made sense to put it on the lakefront.
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>>1661069
>3 lanes with a guardrail at the end of your driveway

gross as fuck
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>>1660532
there are actual stroads in the post-soviet world too tho, some rusanons should contriboot.

nothing too bad where I live, here's what comes closest

1/2
yes I deliberately picked as spot with a comfy trolleybus in sight
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>>1672237
2/2
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>>1660556
>trolleybus with flames on the side
based
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>>1664021
beautiful.
what city is 0:40 to 2:00, and what is the estate in 2:10 to 5:00?
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>>1672244
The first seems like New York the second is St. Louis.
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>>1671139
Based
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>>1672110
I can only say I just like watching cars go by. It is pleasant knowing that life goes on
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>>1672273
ah, thanks, didn't notice its name is in the video title kek
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>>1663031
you'd be detained by the local law enforcement on suspicion of "disorderly conduct" or "loitering" or some equivalently vague law that means "I don't like your accent, your face, or your epidermis"

I remember going on a road trip when I was a kid and the locals couldn't understand any of us because we talked at a normal speed, those places are like a real life horror film
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>>1672526
Autistic people often talk too fast. That was probably the problem.
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>>1661110
Please calculate the climate emissions, traffic deaths per mile, and cost of a 2 bike 1 train trip versus a car trip of equivalent distance. Then calculate how much land would be needed for everybody to do each type of commute. I think that'll help you understand why one is good and the other is bad.
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>>1660524
>>1660527
>>1660532
>>1660543
>>1660549
>>1660972
>>1661102
>>1661114
>>1661126
I don't like shitty planned streets either but at what point are these just "busy road I don't like" this thread sucks mfin HOG *revs engine does a cool figure 8*
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>>1664439
>Where are all the small airports in downtown Amsterdam
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>>1663031
>>1672526
So this scene is realistic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyRkoKTh6cs
what are they even arresting him for
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>>1672635
1. completely
2. america logic
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>>1661081
MC Escher roofs
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>>1665222
Wow, I was just there last month. Was visiting a friend in Cedar Rapids who kept talking about how much cooler Iowa City was. He finally drove me down there and all we did was get food court tempura at Coral Ridge Mall.
Cedar Rapids itself was surprisingly bike-friendly, though. Iowa is neat.
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>>1662168
please tell me this is shopped, I refuse to believe this is real
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>>1661071
this would actually be kino if the outer lanes were turned into protected bike lanes
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>>1673038
That's the proposed fix for urban stroads. Leave the central lanes as high-speed thoroughfares and convert the outer ones to protected spaces for low-speed local traffic.
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>>1673034
It's reserved land to lengthen the freeway you can see in the distance.
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>>1661308
>wide sidewalks
>tracks
no
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>>1672211
lakeshore drive started as a private beach road for a rich guy in the 19th century until the city claimed it as public. it was never planned to be what it is today, and it never made sense

at this point there is no justification for keeping lakeshore drive, but it has become part of chicago's identity and the cagers would seethe
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>>1673532
If there was no justification for it, it wouldn't be there.
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>>1661110
correct, he's a pretentious fag
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>>1661110
Please do post a thread about the faggot to >>>/kiwifarms/ , I'd love to laugh at the lolcow but not to watch too much of his shitty content





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