Post your best burgerpunk stroads ITT. the more dismal, the better.
>>1660515I guess you could summarize it as a world built for cars and not for people, run by cheap chain restaurant and discounter stores.
>>1660518I saw that movie. It was pretty fun.
Stroad: russian style.
>maybe if I keep spamming multi lane streets my dumb buzzword will finally catch ondumb itoddler
>>1660530how is that a stroad? this is a proper road with two proper streets on the side, and it is nicely divided.
>>1660532thats a freeway and not a stroad.
>>1660535Except it's not, and before 2000s it was a large boulevard.
>>1660523this was so fucked up. make the headlights the eyes goddamnit
>>1660533cope harder sprawl cuck.
>>1660543Just a wide arterial street.
Stroadified arterial now.
>>1660554And 20 years earlier.
>everything should be 1 lane Dutch alleys with 15 kmh speed limits.
>>1660554>>1660556ok, this is border line
>>1660532Especially sad is how it cuts through what used to be squares and platzes
>>1660557This, but unironically
Not really sure what qualifies as stroad, but just posting main artery of car traffic in Zagreb, Croatia
>>1660975and the famous rotor, recently refurbished
>>1660564Dinosaurs once populated these lands.
>>1660972A stroad is an ugly amalgamation between a street and a road, trying to be both and succeeding at neither
>>1660972Stroads are traffic surfaces that by low traffic volume and accommodation of different types of users should have been comfy streets but instead were built as oversized car centric roads. The hallmarks are that they have far more lanes than necessary, are hostile to walking or cycling, and are lined with shitty chain stores with huge parking lots instead of walkable local businesses.
>>1660978Forgive the ESL, but what then is the distinction between a street and a road?
>>1660981Since stroad is a coined term between street and road, the guy here explains his differences between all 3https://youtu.be/ORzNZUeUHAM
>>1660538I feel like empty cars rolling around with uncanny valley eyes too far apart would have scared children
>>1660503OK is a good one.
>>1661060they guys in the little houses on the left must feel real cozy about those 6 lanes plus roadside parking right on their front door.
Look anywhere in Atlanta.In Buckhead it's weird because you're not sure if an area is the downtown or a highway. It's fucking dumb. Tons of traffic deaths, tons of traffic.
>>1661079>McMansion built from sawdust and styrofoam.
>>1660991Not Just Bikes is biased as hell. Guy loves walking a block or two to put his trash in a public dumpster. Yet thinks taking a wheelie bin 20 feet to the curb is a Hassle. 4 grocers next to each other with 90% same goods and prices is great. So he can go shopping every day on his way home. 1 large supermarket every couple miles, and weekly shopping is bad. Using 2 bikes and a train to commute across the city is great. Driving in the same amount if time is bad, somehow.
>>1661110I wonder who could be behind this reddit spaced post.
>>1661117Oh fuck off about spacing. It's either "reddit spacing", or "tldr/wall of text".
>>1661126Where is this?Kinda looks like Union Ave in Brooklyn.
>>1661110It's just a piece by people who have a profit motive to create impossibly traversable roads in order to install yet another piece of the matrix to create an urban trap to extort people for money to do literally anything except breathe. and they're probably working on that one too.
>>1661118>>1661133>>1661155Dear Boomer, please stop samefagging, it is very cringe especially since we can see the number of posters.
>>1661157lol >you have to be at least 18 to post here.
>>1661138Few too many pedestrians for a street serviced by the G train
>>1660554>>1660556Was Capitalism a mistake?
>>1661168NYC makes me uneasy but they're honestly really friendly because I have a heavy texas-style accent. >pic related reminds me of some kind of modern war dystopia game
>>1661208Only if improperly regulated, like it is today
>>1661211The accent makes us think you are a simpleton and therefore vulnerable to hucksters and the like, it's similar to how people are overly friendly to a child that seems lost. Contrary to popular belief new yorkers have empathy and don't want misfortune to befall visitors
>>1661218It's true, but the funny part about it is that the hucksters and the like are way better at what they do where I'm from because people are generally suspicious as fuck. >I'm talking "you aint from around here" kind of overly suspiciousMany more business owners, urban dwellers and welfare queens ie the people who can't afford to travel make a much better mark.
>>1661218>It's a lot like Mexico >In NYC I actually didn't feel the need to have a firearm on my person but the politicians from these places are really overstepping trying to federally regulate laws pertaining to that.
When stroads meet!
>>1661232I guarantee that intersection looked identical 100 years ago.
>>1661237But with horses.
does this count?
>>1661308here's how they want to change it
>>1660981Your English is fine; it's a made up term from some faggot youtuber
>>1661448Your English isn't fine; he was asking about the difference between a road and a street.
>>1661208Trams removal in Moscow started long before 1991.
>>1661455There is none, they both are passageways to move traffic.
>There is none
>>1661308Wide ass boulevards like that are tough to change but some bike lanes and trees should do the trick.
The north circular is widely regarded as a mistake by everyone in the UK. It's pretty much the only road of its kind in the UK for that reason.
>>1661539>The north circular is widely regarded as a mistake by everyone in the UK.Why?
>>1661543Lower capacity than a separated motorway/trunk road, horrible noise for residents, doesn't provide enough capacity to be worth it. The entire idea of high capacity inner-city trunk roads isn't worth it.
>>166057619th avenue is a full on road, and it's in the awkward position of being the straight path between two interstates. It obviously can't be turned into a street, should have just been a freeway from the get-go.
>>1661060that's my old school on the right top kek, kids used to smoke in the abandoned lot on the left. >>1661063it was all dumb chinamen around us.
I don't get it, OP is upset with the idea of a road?
>>1661573From what I understand, OP is upset about shitty infrastructure combining the worst aspects of a road with the worst aspects of a street, and getting the benefits of neither.
>>1660515You'll know it when you see it.
>>1660503why does OP hate avenues?
>>1662104st george is peak burger comfy
>>1662140I unironically like this
>>1662140perfect, couldn't get much more soulless.
>>1662109The St George area has a ton of bike paths that go nowhere. They don't connect to each other or to anywhere you want to go. They just sort of exist.
>>1662140*asphalt and construction industry rubbing their hands*
>>1662148I mean this is true of all bike paths especially in dense cities to an extent
>>1662152no, it's not.
>>1662153Why so obstinate? I see it all the time, greatly paved road with a nice bike lane, then an intersection, and suddenly no bike lane anymore. Or the road just ends and the intersecting streets don’t have any bike lanes. I mean if you go on google maps and turn on the bike lane overlay, you can see it in any city, just patchy bursts of bike lane that last like 3 blocks.
>>1662155They get interrupted at times, it's not that they lead absolutely nowhere. not the same thing.
>>1662156They get interrupted and a lot of them do lead to nothing, also just start at nothing too. Like there will be a 2 mile stretch of a road with beautiful bike lane then nothing for the rest of the road. It really pisses me off as a cyclist
>>1662159>mileFunnily enough, Europe doesn't have that problem.
>>1662161You sure? There’s tons of fractured, short bike lanes in European cities too
>>1662162It’s a universal problem because simply not that many people rode bikes anywhere.
>>1662162London is not in Europe cause Brexit means Brexit. Miles only exist on Englands Green and Pleasant Land. Which is not part of Europe
>>1662163What are you talking about, that's a good bike network, it's minimally fractured and those bike paths lead somewhere. I mean this is a dream compared to the shit people in America have to cope with.
One of the worst things about these places is the heat.Asphalt gives off tons of heat and in summer it’s insufferable in the south. One reason I grew an aversion to massive parking lots and stroads.
>>1662152The thing with the ones in/around St. George is they seem to be primarily for people within a subdivision to bike around/out of a subdivision. Once they are out of it they are usually at a 50 mph road. Only like 2 even go by a grocery store. There's a path that goes through the university and ends 2 blocks outside the university on either end.
come up with a better name
>>1662196>it is intentionally a terrible name because these are terrible places
>>1662257who are you quoting?
>>1660543nothin wrong with that. good trees and walkable
>>1662155theres some bike path near me that goes for 1 mile along a semi busy road then just ends near some stripmall and the other end just stops in the middle of a field lol
>>1662168Imagine taking just one day to walk to the store, you'd probably die of heat stroke and take 5 hours just to get there
I came in for burgerpunk, but it's just some faggot crying about boulevards.
>>1663040>I came in for burgerpunk, but it's just some faggot crying about boulevards.Aren't they the same thing? Most "burgerpunk" is basically "muh McDonald's sign", "muh freeways", and "muh late stage capitalism"
>>1662168>Islands are way too big for what they are, but too small for something to be set up in the middle.Holy fuck I hate this
>>1663294You could easily merge 2 or 3 together.
>>1661071lmao fuck this stretch of road. The intersection with Roswell right there sucks and that mall is a nightmare to navigate with a car. There's a great Turkish place around there though, Cafe Agora
a lot of people are misinterpreting 'stroad' to just mean cars and traffic>>1661137>>1661153these are your prototypical stroads. Capable of traffic, yes, but that's not what the definition is.
>>1660972>>1660980>that wasn't REAL stroadismfine herbs in all fields
a lot of these more of a boulevard or just a wide main traffic road than a stroadi thought the main criteria for a stroad is that there's a huge flat area of tarmac which is basically uncrossable for pedestrians due to the traffic, and businesses face directly onto it making the streetside environment noisy and polluted, so people just turn up in their car and never walk anywhere
>>1663467Sounds like pretty much anywhere in North America.
>>1663628Which makes it frustrating that so many of these pics are just high-traffic arterials in New York City instead of the innumerable actual stroads the average American drives down every day to get groceries.
>>1663636I feel you bro, here, have some real stroad.
>>1663651Hnnnggg yeah that's the good shitIt even has a sad little bus stop in the corner that no one uses
What happens to all those stroads and burbs once the money runs out? Are there examples?
>>1664015https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_SpRBXRmEthis but with less concrete and more MDF and plastic
>>1660524As a New Yorker, Park Avenue barely falls into the same category as shit like>>1660503>>1660518>>1662170>>1662168Maybe it's the median, or that the 20+ story apartment complexes and the lanes being squished together make it more palpable to me than the urban wastelands of the midwest
>>1661179I am back, now go down.
>people bitching about "stroads" when Not Just Bikes never mentions how fucking flat the Netherlands is, or the fact that you can drive across the entire country at it's longest point in under a day, or the fact that it has 5X the population density of America's most dense state.Face the facts, The reason roads are so prevalent in America is because we are the 3rd most mountainous country, and the average distance traveled per day in America is something like 30 miles.in the Netherlands it's fucking 2.7 kilometers or something retarded.Their country is just a bunch of pumped out sealand as well, so they have literally zero natural beauty in their country. If they didn't have this kind of fancy nice looking roads they would be the biggest concrete pancake piece of shit on earth.I mean you can't even fucking take your kids camping in the Netherlands without hearing road noise and going to one of those gay payed public campsites.(pic related is their Netherlands tallest waterfall.)
>>1664430And here's what my own personal averaged daily commute to college would look like. keep in mind that this is the average distance that the average American travels daily.Now picture living in a country that is so crowded that you can live your entire life in an area smaller than this. That's the Netherlands.If you would question the sanity of an Alaskan native complaining about the lack of small airports in downtown Amsterdam, why not not question the motives of Dutch cyclist complaining about the lack of bike paths in the US?
>>1663679no, the public transport is only used to shovel the poor people who can't afford to buy their own personal automobiles.These hybrid roads are just the result of poor zoning laws that allow useless bus lanes, and bike lanes next to former highways when the city limits are increased.Notice how whenever a stroad is mentioned, the are always within a city's limits. This is because the innefectual infastructure is commonly built over areas that would be former medians and shoulders.Note the former medians (marked in blue) which are now turned into the Seattle E-line's bus lanes, who's primary usage is to shuttle hookers and drug dealers to the Lowe's parking lot and Krispy Kreme's corner (marked in black)Aroura Ave never looked like a nice place, it used to be a highway, it's a shame that Seattle overtook it and turned it to shit.
>we're bigthere it is
>>1660557Everything should be pedestrianised.
>>1664439You're just admitting that the US has shitty car-centric urban planning.
>>1664469Yeah we should have just planned to level all the hills, right? Dutch '''''people''''' were a mistake
>>1664430>>1664439I fail to se how any of this is relevant to stroads.
wtf do hills have to do with car-centric designhalf of the major cities in the US are flat as a pancakethis excuse only works for third world countries who can't afford to build rail bridges and tunnels
>>1664485oh you're the big developer YIMBY shill, why don't you get a trip so I can filter you
>>1664487better yet just KYS
>>1664478My point is that there is no problem, Americans don't waste time replacing our already functional roads with bike paths because having everyone cycle 4 hours per day on average is moronic. Do you really fail to see how the average American doesn't want to spend 4 hours cycling each day?>>1664469I'm admitting that there are several key geographic features that enabled the Netherlands to create such a huge cycling culture in the first place.So naturally Dutch cities are more walkable and biker friendly than the US, and Canada. The Netherlands is one of the smallest, and flattest countries on earth.So either you cycle around their cities on the strict bike paths, or "camp" at a government campsite with 20 other people around you and cellphone access.Of course if you actually own a car, there are usually several world-class day hikes within a few hours drive of most if not all large US and Canadian cities, not to mention plenty of outdoors to camp for free.
>>1664652>My point is that there is no problem, Americans don't waste time replacing our already functional roads with bike paths because having everyone cycle 4 hours per day on average is moronic. Do you really fail to see how the average American doesn't want to spend 4 hours cycling each day?I... don't think you're posting in the right thread.
>>1660503>best burgerpunk stroadsAre you huffing paint?
>>1664652>>1664439>>1664430>mountains are why we can't have good urban planninginteresting and new cope from a yank
>>1664756>good urban planning is mindlessly copying stuff that makes sense in one place, and blindly applying them in a totally different place without stopping to ask whyyou know why the nazis were bad? because they only killed dutch jews. they should have killed all dutch.
>>1664699yep still in the right thread.>>1664756no, I'm saying that the reason we don't use bikes is because cars are more safe at high speed, use a bus if you are too fucking poor to afford a cheap car.You can't pedal up a fucking hill as fast as I drive up it with my car, and if you're in the street you're gonna get ran over.not my problem
Cagers are pathetic holy crap
>>1664439>has to live 25 km away from workplace>this isn't shitty urban planning at allyou do know that in normal countries it's not this way, right?
>>1664430>The reason roads are so prevalent in America is because we are the 3rd most mountainous country.New levels of american cope.
>>1664485>this excuse only works for third world countries who can't afford to build rail bridges and tunnelsBut UShartsA is a 3rd world country.
>>1664965Japan is not that cycling friendly. They tend to walk their bikes up hills.
>>1664967>cyclingWho cares? Even though there are many bikes in Japan, rail is the king.
>>1664929daily reminder that you WILL be ran over riding a bike on American roads.and a painted bike lane won't stop them.>>1664967you will not find any other nations that are as obsessed with bikes like the Netherlands. and even then it's something dumb like only 1/4th of all Dutch distance traveled by bikes.bikes are moderately faster than walking.
pisses me off that mentality>just do everything like the most cyclified nation in the world while ignoring local conditions propose something realistic, gradual steps if you want to be taken seriously
>>1665063There are no realistic, gradual steps you can take because American urban design drips down from laws and regulations. It’s illegal to build anything else. If not, say goodbye to federal gibs.All you can do is fuck everything and start over.
>>1665076Agreed. The only way to fix America is to let developers build whatever they want, wherever they want, as cheaply as they damn well please, and the people who live where they’re building should have no way to oppose it.
I wonder how much it costs to maintain stroads.Traffic lights cost hundreds of thousands of dollars apiece, then you've got all the drainage ditches, signage and policing.
>>1665081Yes this. Also property rights themselves should be flexible. Only companies as large as Related or Kushner should have their interests defended by the government. Any small property owners let alone renters should be allowed to be steamrolled by those with more money because otherwise how will the wealth trickle down?
>>1665081retard. bad urban planning is much better than no urban planning.
>>1665090There’s still planning, it’s just that the planning is being done by corporations rather than the government.
>>1661081It's settled: Americans are the worst thing this earth has ever seen.
>>1665081Intersting, in America there is apparently only two ways of urban planning possible, abysmally bad urban planing and full out deregulation with no planing at all. I wonder why all other countries are doing better.
>>1665126Why are people saying there's no planning? There is still planning, it's just that the planning is being done by efficient, successful corporations motivated by keeping the end user happy, versus woefully inefficient local governments that allow the people who live in the town to decide what gets built, rather than the optimal solution.
>>1665132>but muh ancapever wondered why nobody takes you serious?
Someone forgot his meds
>>1664445>Notice how whenever a stroad is mentioned, the are always within a city's limits.lmao get a grip, stroads are fucking everywhere. And they aren't just repurposed or rezoned older roads. They are built brand new all the time
>>1664477>Terrain has very steep hills>I know, build the road DIRECTLY UP THE FUCKING HILLit's like the planners never went hiking before. When you look at contours on a map, you don't want to walk exactly at 90 degrees to the contours because it takes the most work/energy.
>>1660503Iowa City is very comfy and pedestrain/cyclist-friendly. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of our neighbor to the west. Coralville shouldn't even qualify as a town, it's just two stroads with some houses sandwiched between them.
>>1665222>Iowa CityI see you got train tracks. Got public transport?
>>1665228No passenger trains, but we do have a bus system. I don't use it much because walking, cycling, or driving is more convenient than waiting for a bus.
>>1665157Planners in another part of the world laid out those streets. No sane and competent civil engineer, would make that street while there in person.
>>1665233>No passenger trains,Shame, those tracks look like they could make for a high capacity city transport.
>>1665228>train tracksfreight rail with near 100% chance owners don't want passenger traffic on it
>>1665156Then give me 3 examples of a "stroad" that's outside of a city's limits. That isn't connected to an existing highway. Something "built brand new" for purpose.>>1665271AM track has been loosing money since it's inception in 1971.In order for it to become a viable alternative to auto transport in the US, they need to be allowed to get rid of the long train routes that loose AM track money.I don't think it will ever really take off though unfortunately.
>>1665408oh hello dear 50+ boomer, how's life in the burbs?
When I see areas like the OP all I see is economic decline.When I see walkable, mixed use places I see local businesses and happy people enjoying being outside.
>>1665359>Then give me 3 examples of a "stroad" that's outside of a city's limits.what is your definition of a city? I'm almost sure that no what I post you will counter with "Hah see?? It's in a city!!" Even if its a town of a few tens of thousands>That isn't connected to an existing highway. Something "built brand new" for purpose.That's not what I meant you collosal faggot. Stroads are literally existing highways (state or local) that are turned into venues of commerce. That is the definition of a stroad: a road built for high speed A to B travel that also services business. So you've set it up to never accept any response to your question. Regardless, I'll play your game and I don't care that you won't play along.1. Buford Highway, Cumming, GACumming has a population of ~6000 with greater area approaching 100k. It is far from any major city, nearest begin the shitfest of Atlanta in the bottom left of the map view (found in the reply to this post)
>>1665699>>1665359Here is the map view, showing this town is in the middle of nowhere GA. There is not interstate nearby, with 400 being a state highway
>>1665699One of the things I hate most about American development is how we paved highways through the middle of our small towns (often because the highways are required to be straight and maximize car speed). We could have had comfy villages but the highways and billboards ruined it.
>>1665359>>16656992. Robert Byrd Road, WVMiddle of nowhere West Virginia near some mall.
>>1665359>>16656993. Washington Court House, OHpopulation ~15000, in between Cincinnati and Columbus, OH
>>1665705>>1665359map view of Washington courtThere. I played along. These were all examples that I've driven through and instantly was able to think of. I easily could have picked a number of others because this is what everything fucking looks like everywhere.Now go ahead and reply with something clever.
>>1665701You can't have maximised car speed with at-grade intersections either so the whole thing is completely pointless.
>>1665752How many decades will it take to build America back to comfy?
>>1665769Some areas will never be able to be fixed. Looking at you Atlanta.
>>1664652> there are usually several world-class day hikes within a few hours driveAnother point of car culture is that anything other than taking a car is seen as mere recreation, rather than a viable part of a transportation mix.
>>1664775So the reason bikes aren't used and cars have a monopoly is that bikes aren't used and cars have a monopoly. Design everything around the automobile, then use the fact that everything is designed around the automobile as a reason not to include any alternatives or actual options. The car-centric society is unsafe for anyone else, so the solution is for everyone to have a car. Of course, everyone having a car means more accidents, so get a larger vehicle to stay ahead of the pack. Except everyone does that so get an ever larger vehicle...
>>1664430> the average distance traveled per day in America is something like 30 milesWhich reflects land use decisions more than anything else; overwhelming majority of trips are within regions, not between them. That's not an input or an unchanging variable. >we are the 3rd most mountainous countryAnd these mountains appeared in the 1940s/1950s? Prior to that point, it was flat as Kansas from sea to shining sea?
>>1665671NOOOOO you can't enjoy being outside and being around people!You WILL live isolated in a 2k sqm house.You WILL have a front yard, backyard and a pool.You WON'T look at your neighbors.You WILL own 2 cars and 1 pick-up.You WILL drive everywhereAnd you will be happy.
>>1665837A majority of Americans do that, and they are happy!
>>1665847Is this a surprise? Look at these drained faces
>>1661110Hey, buddy, you just blow in from stupid town?> walking a block for trashMostly agree> 4 grocers and shopping every dayMaximum comfy. I do this in a downtown Midwest city. It is divine to pick up groceries as you need them instead of buying tons of food you will waste.> using 2 bikes is greatPost your body fat percentage right now.
>>1661457>>1660981>roadA wide way leading from one place to another, especially one with a specially prepared surface which vehicles can use.>streetA public road in a city or town, typically with houses and buildings on one or both sides.
>>1661110>4 grocers next to each other with 90% same goods and prices is great. So he can go shopping every day on his way homeyes, competition is good and frequency prevents waste>1 large supermarket every couple miles, and weekly shopping is bad.correct, also your milk is $2 more now.
>>1661310make the parking the bus lane and have it be 2 lanes for cars
>>1660981A street is a destination itself. A road is just a path to get from A to B, traditionally between cities. But American suburbia has blurred the distinction.
>>1665847Describing yourself as happy and enjoying your life are two very different things when you factor in culture. Look how many people die by suicide in cities as opposed to rural and suburbs. It's lower despite cities giving more ample suicide opportuinities
>>1661915>posting eddy grant>avenuesMY GIGGLES JUST WENT HIGHER
Stroad one out for your boy.
Don't blow your stroad, boys.
>>1664477>grab groceries from car>a lemon falls out>rolls down one mile
>>1663294You can see what looks like a freeway in the distance, and some extra right of way to the right of the picture. It looks like it may have been planned as a freeway at some point but then those plans got scrapped and became a boulevard instead.
>>1665830>And these mountains appeared in the 1940s/1950s? Prior to that point, it was flat as Kansas from sea to shining sea?Well come to think of it, yes actually
>>1660556>>1660554Both look despair. Russia was a mistake
>>1662140You just posted 90% of the US and Canada, damn, impressive.
>>1660564Oh hey, its Everett Mall Way.
>>1666419>Describing yourself as happy and enjoying your life are two very different things
>>1660532That's just a big road