will protected intersections catch on?
No, too much maintenance when they get curbed up. We don't drive faggy little cuckboxes like in europe in the US
Take the narrow street pill.
>>1657705Yeah, retarded murricans drive farm truck-derived SUVs that can easily tow 5t vehicle.
>>1657708>Yeah, retarded murricans drive farm truck-derived SUVs that can easily tow 5t vehicle
>>1657700Adding in more phases will produce more congestion, as fewer cars can go through the intersection per unit time. This is of course the objective, making driving such a hassle people give up on it and "voluntarily" choose less ideal transportation choices like bicycles.
>>1657700protected from who, by who?
Motorists will say 'how could I have seen a bike coming when Im turning right', then splatter you and leave a white bike on the sidewalk.A box might be nice, but the correct thing is just pick a car to stay behind and go through the intersection as normal
>>1657776Yeah, i sometimes avoid roads where my city has been trying to make things more bike friendly because they do stupid expensive nice looking stuff that doesn't actually help. Unless it's a separate bike path, just act like a normal vehicle. On neighborhood roads and in heavy traffic cars are only going 20 anyway, so it's easy for me to keep up
>>1657786the 11th street bike lane was such a hard won battle; rich lifers there would get up and tear down fencing/move barrels, and park in the construction zone. Fucking pigs just let em do it, too.Finally get it done, and it's a two-way lane on the East bound left lane.First time I was on it, I didn't know it was finished and nearly hit another cyclist head the fuck on, and I'M the cyclist here! Car users aren't any smarter
>>1657790Eastbound right lane, sorry.
>>1657725in op's pic there are no more light phases for vehicles on the carriageway compared to a normal intersection. The burger enjoyer would have only to sacrifice his ability to turn right on red.On the other hand vehicles on the cycle path have to wait an extra phase to turn left, which can be infuriating for the average lycra fan but a good compromise in safety for the average bicyclist.You can even make pedestrians phases shorter as they have less road length to cross (crossings on the path are without lights)>>1657730>from whocagers>by whokurbs and concrete
>>1657790Two way bike lanes on one side are absolutely restart tier, fuck whoever came up with that. If they are separate from a road with good crossings it works, but if it's on the road, and especially if it has those stupid concrete curbs between it and the road, you literally can't use it for getting around unless you are willing to do dumb dangerous shit like bunnyhopping into traffic
>>1657812I don't like when bike lanes get put in and CRS are told not to turn right on red and i don't even own a car. It's just stupid to make the cars wait there, and it doesn't help safety, because the ones who would turn without checking for peds and bikes will just ignore the sign anyway. It's just bike "infrastructure" meant to slow cars down without helping cyclists
Bicyclists are only a sliver of total commuters, and given their entitlement and insufferable demeanor, should not be listened to or given any heed. Get a car.
As a cyclist I'm never gonna use a left turn that expects me to wait twice.
>>1657700this is much better
>>1657700Almost fucking died again because of one of these lanes, cager had no idea I was there and took a right turn at full speed in front of me
>>1657848These lanes were desinged to kill cyclists.
>>1657823>t. just sharted in the 'mart
>>1657812The Longer pedestrian phase is an ADA accomodation for disabled people. No, you cannot make it shorter. Keep your politics away from pedestrians. You don't know what you're doing.
>>1657888It depends on the length they have to travel i think. Like for really long roads it's a super long does signal to let people on walkers make it across
>>1657848Its like they want you to get hit putting cars there to hide you from the road, it's absurd. There's one of these by me where they put up big concrete plant pots with fucking ferns in them that go above car height. I don't want to die because of a fern, but if you take the lane cars get all pissy. I just stopped riding on that road entirely and switched to a different street with no bike lane after they did that shit
>>1657700 (OP)fuck these sidewalk bubbles. keeps me from making right on reds when person in front of me wants to go forward.keeps me from going forward when the person in front of me wants to turn right and waits most of the entire light cycle for pedestrians to cross the adjacent street. i once waited three light cycles cause of that shit... and guess what, the bus behind me also had to wait three light cycles to get through that intersection. im a delivery driver so i realize i will never drive down that road again, but the bus and npc drivers will continue to get stuck there. fuck i love driving over sidewalks around fucking npc retard drivers.
>>1657700What's protected there? It's jus a normal intersection.
>>1657836Europe strikes again with good infrastructure.
>>1657851It's oneway, you can't turn left...
>>1657700not to be that guy, but this is already a staple in Europe, or NL at the very least.Americans always ask the same questions but don't realize the easiest answer is to make roads less driver friendly. But that will never happen, so you guys are absolutely screwed
>>1657993>Right on redIs this some sort of US disease?But my personal local favorite is drivers who want to go left(against traffic), but fails to drive inside the crossing on green light, meaning they are now cockblocking their entire lane.
>>1657993>keeps me from making right on reds when person in front of me wants to go forward.Every single lane road will do that, with or without bubbles for disabled pedestrians.
>>1657848You should teach people how to drive a car before giving them a driving license.>>1657851Who thought it's a good idea to force cyclists to ride on the left side of the road?
>>1657700not in the US. too many undesirables in cages and bikes who won't be able to follow the simple rules required for this type of thing to work
>>1658042>the easiest answer is to make roads less driver friendlyEuropoors
>>1658126The car is pretty objectively a shit method of transportation for short distances within a city. You have to provide alternatives to not have your city turn into an unliveable traffic-congested hellhole, like good bicycle infrastructure and proper, clean, and affordable public transportation. Unfortunately, neither of those things are very profitable, and they should be written off as a necessary expense by the government, funded by taxpayers, as a compromise to keep cities nice and liveable. But that is not something you will be able to sell to the average American.
>>1658133>The car is pretty objectively a shit method of transportation for short distances within a cityIf it's an overcrowded shit city then sure. Thank god I don't live in one, not sure why anyone else would want to. There's always talks about options but if traffic is so bad clearly driving is no longer an option.
>>1658085>Every single lane road will do that, with or without bubbles for disabled pedestrians.usually (IN WEST COAST USA) single lane roads are wide as fuck and also have a shoulder for parking. leaving room for people to make right-on-reds, unless traffic planners purposely block them with those sidewalk bubbles
>>1658047>But my personal local favorite is drivers who want to go left(against traffic), but fails to drive inside the crossing on green light, meaning they are now cockblocking their entire lane.OH MY GOD THE STREET IS SO FUCKING WIDE , JUST SCOOT IN A LITTLE TO THE LEFT YOU NON-THINKING NPC DRIVER, I WANA THROW ROCKS AT PEOPLE WHO DO THAT. I WOULD YELL AT THEM BUT NO ONE KEEPS THEIR WINDOWS ROLLED DOWN, FAGGOTS
>>1658033They have lots of them where it's on the right, and people can still turn right through the lane, pic is just for illustration
>>1657993I don't like road diets either; not for any of the reasons you mentioned, but because motorists for some reason don't expect you to follow the curb line and just squish/run over youStreets gotta always be narrow or fucking NEVER>>1658047Actually full retard if you don't believe in right on red>>1658087>You should teach people how to drive a car before giving them a driving licenseAgreed to a certain extent. Until we actually give a shit about public transport in this country, I feel fucking bad about actually have license standards, because you know who will and won't have a hard time with that.Like as a kiddo, I got told I wouldn't be hired because I had a state ID, not a drivers license. Shouldn't matter, but try fighting that in court when you can't even get there. Doesn't matter if it's illegal discrimination or not. You're not winning>>1658088>equality =/= equityNo, it does not make any rational sense, nor real life sense, for cyclists to behave exactly as cars>>1658140You can ALWAYS drive, if you're fat and lazy and scared enough to do so. Enjoy paying for parking and walking farther than had ya just rode yer bike or took the trolley, boo hoo>>1658145That's like the fucking problem, though, dude. In my old ass east coast city, I feel comfortable riding on damn near every road I'm allowed on; traveling the country in the semi truck and riding throughout the midwest were everything is big? DANGER DANGER DANGER
>>1658266>In my old ass east coast city, I feel comfortable riding on damn near every road I'm allowed on; traveling the country in the semi truck and riding throughout the midwest were everything is big?>DANGER DANGER DANGER
>>1658285Are you retarded or just fat and never ridden a bike at speed?Where there is DEFINITELY not enough room, especially if there's parking on one side or the other, you're giving a cager a choice between settling the fuck down, or dead to rights, smack running you over. Most people, generally, will not actually kill you on purpose (in the their mind)Now, when there is a little bit of room, enough room to make it seem like you can just jet by the cyclist, that's when cagers try retarded shit, and that's why cyclists get clipped.Not sure how you get onions from truck driver, but alright, bud. Get on your bike.
>>1657836Aesthetic, sure, and great for a location where you can finance one and have land space to put one in, but it's a terrible model for 90% of intersections.
>>1658126The Euro is worth more than the dollar.
>>1658484Your point being?
>>1657705>this is considered a cuckbox in americaholy fuck how fat do you have to be?
>>1658087>Who thought it's a good idea to force cyclists to ride on the left side of the road?wait til you see this
>>1659378You don't speak for us you foul mouthed europoor
>>1659423>a golf is a cuckboxhahahahaha small cock yanks can't fathom the fact that big dick EVROPEANS don't have to buy a glorified semi truck to feel some purpose in life
>>1659758You'll be a woman soon.
>>1659809Please man don't project your sexual desires on an anonymous user of a Cambodian basket weaving platform.
>>1657700Those cars on the sides are parked right?? Because if not holy shit traffic jam. You really expect people to merge there?
>>1657815These only work on one-way streets.
>>1659809shut the fuck up dumb gabacho
>>1657831You're welcome to not use it. Infrastructure like this is fantastic and makes turning so much easier, as long as you're willing to wait an extra 10 seconds when you turn left.In cities that have it, if you do decide to not use it be prepared to get honked at or run over because cars will not expect you to be pulling out in front of them in the way your would have to. It's your choice
>>1659820yes they are parked, and you are retarded for somehow thinking they might not be
>>1659876One can never bee too sure heh
>>1659896What is the proper English word for it? Here we call it zipsovanie
>>1657705They won't get curbed if you put spikes on them
>>1657836>roundabout for peds and cycles up top>4 way clusterfuck down belowwhy?
>>1663890Because fuck cagers. Although if I had to regularly ride up the ramp to the ring in my heavy-as-fuck roadster I would imagine the architect going "fuck cyclists".
>>1658133>The car is pretty objectively a shit method of transportation for short distances within a city.Car is objectively best value for passenger: Goes door to doorFastCan carry heavy luggageProtected from elementsNo waiting in the rainComfortable personal spaceCars and their infrastructure are expensive indeed, but this price provides unmatched value. Public transportation that approaches car turns into personal vehicle itself.
>>1657851Thats what you get you lycra wearing faggots
>>1657700No, I like turning right on red
>>1657705You drive things to help you compensate.
>>1663944>Goes door to doorOnly if you provide sufficient parking spaces in front of every door, effectively turning your town into a parking lot wasteland.>FastOnly if not everyone's using it at the same time.
>>1667569It’s faster though even with everyone using it.
>>1667581>towns actually accounting for public transportation manage to create efficient public transportationColor me suprised!
>>1657836looks wasteful desu
Waste of money for the upkeep, we never have cyclists and yet these stupid islands always get curbed up because utility vehicles barely fit. I think with a few more accidents these islands will get removed or slimmed a bit.
>>1667677It's funny because those green shrubs were recently trimmed, they grow tall and wide hiding the cyclists so they're more likely get clipped at the intersection. Stupid design, thicc bollards would suffice
>>1657700Those curbs are nothing for my automobile. It will eat them for breakfast, lunch AND dinner.
>>1663944This. If automobiles are managed adequately there isn't anything better. Poorfags can only afford a bike and rope anyway.
>>1657700>protected intersectionsAre they expected to see you and stop while they are in the process of turning right?It is not possible. The cager brain will only respond reliably to the characteristic gait & speed of a pedestrian pushing the bike along. There is no other safe way to travel perpendicular to traffic.The big advantage of that picture, when the car driver opens the right side door it will not be into bike traffic, but usually that is the left side door anyway
>>1657831the issue isn't the turn itself its competing with moving traffic to move 2+ lanes over to the left to get into the turn lane in the first place