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Today I saw this incredibly small sailboat Despite being so small ir still felt too low and sleek for its size I mean the thing looks like a miniaturized j-class hull. Anyway i thought it was cool and as long as it's floaty and the keel is long enough it's seaworthiness shouldn't be a problem I guess. Ever seen something like it? Also post cool sailboats
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>>1650127
Fascinating design
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>>1650102
Looks like an incredibly wet ride. Kind of cool though.

I think my favorite boat I've seen so far is Kevin Boothby's Ruth Avery. It is an absolutely gorgeous boat. The gaff rig, the tiller, the bowsprit, and the color scheme between the hull, cabin and sails just all goes together so well. Having no engine onboard also adds to the charm, she's circumnavigated the world in the same way that sailors centuries before did it.
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>>1650102
I also like these cute little things. They're working boats originally designed and used to fish on sheltered bays and ponds. They were common sights on the Chesapeake for example around the 1920s, and some examples of that vintage still sail today. They're also traditionally gaff rigged, and incredibly stable for their size due to a typical 2:1 length to beam ratio. Once I've gotten my basic keelboat and coastal navigation certs, I kind of want to try and take one up the ICW. Maybe even do a Great Loop trip.
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>>1650223
Rip them kids
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Boatfags, where to get patches for inflatable boat?
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>>1650319
Try the nearest boating store, like West Marine?
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>>1650102
You don't have to get wet. There's a lot of boats like this in my local marina in Denmark. They're small, cheap and simple. Some of them are long-keeled and really easy to sail, if you're a beginner.
Pic related is a 40 feet Ylva, it's pretty long, but extremely sleek and very fast.
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>>1650341
I was just surprised at how small it was. The picture doesnt do it justice it's like 1.5 m wide at most
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>>1650347
But it looks a lot like a Junker 22, maybe a bit longer but still
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>>1650366
Same kind of cockpit but it's a lot longer
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>>1650399
So basically an affordable version of this beauty I guess. I can see the appeal.
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I used to sail as a kid in bongland. I did a bunch of youth qualifications including some ocean dinghy shit. I really loved it and would enjoy getting back into it. Any advice on how to get back into it?
I’m not trans btw.
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25 ft folkboat best boat
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>>1650811
also 27 ft H-boat
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Does any of you fellas sail? If yes, what do you sail and where?
I have a Maxi 68, and I sail around inner danish waters.
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>>1650954
I have a spirit 28 I sail in the Dutch delta.

You should really roll your furler all the way in btw.
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>>1650954
I sail a Maxi 77 on the swedish west coast.

I have some minor repairs to do, but I hope to go sailing this weeked.

I guess that's not your Maxi 68 in the pic?
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>>1650954
I got the sailing bug on a vacation in Cancun last month. Took a crash course on the resort's Hobie so I could take it out by myself and loved it. I'll be doing the basic keelboat certification course in June, and then the basic coastal navigation course in either fall or winter. In a year or two maybe I'll have a boat I can do the Great Loop passage with around the eastern US.
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>>1650102


That that be an Elizabethan 29

It's a long way from home
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>>1650102
I don't understand how the main sheet is set up.
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>>1650102
Long, thin boats are really common here in Sweden. Search google for "skärgårdskryssare" if you want to see images.

I've sailed on one called a "Lotus Scandinavia" which is like 12m long and 2m wide.

These boats are often built with very heavy keels and sail very well upwind in flat water.
In a chop they very quickly become extremely wet due to the low freeboard and the shape and weight making them punch through waves rather than sail over them. They are also very, very cramped inside, again due to the narrow beam and very low freeboard.
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>>1652203
>scaled up international one meter

I like it
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>>1652281
They do look rather exotic
>pic related: Lotus Scandinavia
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>>1650102
where my Laserbros at?
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>>1652621
I was tempted to buy one near me for $750, but I slept on it and its gone.
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>>1650954
SJ24 on the west coast of Canada. Just started sailing a year ago. Love it
>>1651260
Why far away from home?
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>>1656532
That looks beautiful.
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>>1656537
If I had know sailing was like this I would have started years ago. Also affordable

t. sc/out/
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>>1656966
Unfortunately I'm on the East coast, so I guess I'll be spending a lot of time in the New England/Nova Scotia area to begin with once I have my certs and some coastal crewing experience. Really wishing I'd gotten to do Sea Base instead of or in addition to Philmont.

t. also sc/out/
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>>1650954
I race Thunderbird 26s and am almost done restoring my Tumlaren 27 that was built for the crown prince of Denmark in 1947. Currently sail in Washington but want to take my Tumlaren down to California if it doesn't sell later in the year
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The Picrel is apparently the cheapest sailboat you can buy. People will make fun of you.
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>>1657019
Based Tumlanon! More update pics?
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>>1657447
I don't have much. This week I'm raising the mast to iron out the rigging. Once that's sorted the boat could be launched bit I have a few more small things before that happens, I pray I can get my shit together. I'm really close to getting the boat in the water anon. This project has been so hard and tested my will so much. I've built brand new boats in half the time
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>>1657225
Looks like a fun project
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>>1657515
Based. That' awesome. Is that a drydock?
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>>1657910
No. The drydock is way too expensive for me, I'm a youngish man and couldn't afford to restore the boat and pay for dry dock space. I put the boat in a flatbed trailer and towed it two miles away from the port to this workshop that I unfortunately also live in... Port Townsend where I live is notorious for wooden boat restorations by young men living in their boat shops
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>>1657957
Looking really good anon. I’ve been following this since the first pics I saw on /out/.
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>>1650219
reminds me of the boat in ponyo
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>>1658125
Thanks anon, I really appreciate the support. If you're ever in Washington I'll take you out on my Tumlaren
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>>1658932
BCfag. Not even that far away. If these borders ever open up I might take you up on that. Any more pics? Just love that boat.
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>>1660030
Are you on Vancouver island by chance? The first place I'll sail to with this boat is Victoria and then possibly up to Nanaimo. If the borders are closed I'll just anchor at Gonzalez Bay in Vic and row ashore. Ideally I'll sail this boat in the gulf islands a lot. It's my favorite place when I run commercial fishing boats up to Alaska
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>>1660311
I too just love the Tumlaren. It was my dream boat and I somehow stumbled upon this one that was given to me
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>>1660312
>the Tumlaren
This is making me cringe. The n at the end already bends 'tumlare' to the definitive article, so also prefixing it with 'the' is just redundant.
It would be like naming your boat 'the porpoise' and then referring to that particular boat as "the 'the porpoise'", which I guess makes sense from an autistic perspective, maybe, but it feels wrong.
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>>1650954
professional rail meat on a couple of different J's over the years, Volvo60 and 70 race crew in the Caribbean and Med. Fucking around in NZ after the cup currently.
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>>1660644
based ballast
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>>1660311
Sunshine Coast. My San Juan 24 came from Nanaimo though. Not far away at all. Sailing gulf islands this summer.
>>1660644
>couple of different J's
You have been on J’s anon? What are they like?

Pic unrelated to anything
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>>1660644
>J's
>Volvo 70
I'm so fucking jealous. My actual dream is to get to crew on either of these boats.
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>>1664668
Also think it would be really freaking cool. How does one go about becoming ballast on a big racing yacht? Do you just watch for upcoming races then google the different participants and see if they're taking volunteers? Or is it something that does require some prior experience and an inside contact? IIRC from one of the circumnavigation races several of the contestant boats had several people who had never been to sea before at all, with one English ginger being so seasick she could not function during the final leg across the Atlantic.
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I don't sail but I spent all yesterday looking up junk rigs, yulohs, and yuloh pedaling. Pretty cool desu, I love low tech. How good would a catamaran with a junk rig and yuloh be? The multihull would speed up the junk, make it even more stable, and also negate the rocking caused by the yuloh.
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Any UK sailbois here?
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>>1656966
>affordable
Define "affordable". I'm inclined to distrust the accounting ethics of people who are deep enough into a hobby that they're routinely risking their own lives for thrills.
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Has anyone here tried using a telescopic boat hook to pole out your foresail "on the wrong side" when running? I have a fairly small jib (around 21sqm) so I'm thinking it might hold.
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>>1665628
I don't think most sailors are intentionally risking their own lives for thrills. Not everybody is as crazy as that Norwegian vlogger that intentionally sailed out into a force 10 just to see if he could.
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>>1665628
I bought my SJ24 for $3500 and could have found something cheaper.
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>>1665627
Nah, can't afford the loicense.
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>>1666679
Can confirm, I bought my Foxhound 24 for under £2000.
There are yachts out there that people are almost giving away.
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>>1665850
Are you talking wing on wing? If you rig something up I’d be curious to see it.
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>>1667491
I got my brown wings with your're mom last night, if you catch my drift?
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>>1667491
Yep, that's what I mean. I'll post some pics if I get it to work!
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>>1667603
>I'll post some pics
Post pics of your're mom
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>>1667603
Cool.
>>1667666
Sick bantz.
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>>1665850
The paralympic boats have a pole that stows along the boom for that. They're tiny boats with similarly tiny sails though.
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>>1667813
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>>1667603
Gave it a go today. It worked out, not perfect but worked.
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>>1668198
Looks pretty good. Maybe consider a downhaul.
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>>1668198
i like it and i like ur boat
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>>1668354
>downhaul
Where would the downhaul go? From job to toe rail? Still learning.
>>1668358
Thanks Anon. Just trying out other Anon’s idea
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>>1667666
Off by one, satan
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Who went sailing over the weekend lads?
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>>1668863
Was out and about
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What is with the commie/LARP pirate element to sailing? What is wrong with these people?
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>>1668883
Nah its more of a napoleonic naval Fantasy for me
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>>1669104
This. There's a couple tall ships I plan to volunteer on at some point in the next couple years. And then, maybe if I get lucky, I can crew on L'Hermione.
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>>1669104
>>1669613
I’m definitely golden era of single handing yacht fantasy.
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>>1669660
>>1669613
IKTF bros, but my little yacht is only a 24 foot bilge keeler, so I have to really use my imagination.
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>>1650223
After I see your post I reverse image searched and found Marshall catboats. You're right they're absolutely beautiful and cute. I think I'll have one build.
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So my SJ24 came with a carbon fibre 150 Genoa and a light 150 Genoa. What type of wind would be best for each sail?
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Bump
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What can I read/watch about sailing? I am going sailing with me parents in a month and would like to be more of a help
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>>1673767
Water World 1995
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>>1673780
Sorry, I meant something educational that would tell me more about the basic structure and control of the boat
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>>1673800
Just search how to sail on youtube.
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This thing was on a sales tour and came by where I live. Got to go sailing on it, was pretty cool actually. Very different from what I'm used to with everything being hydraulic.
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>>1673897
Does it feel like sailing? Honest question.
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>>1674361
I get what you mean.

You still get that fantastic feeling of being powered by the elements or like you're being pushed along by some invisible hand since it's still very quiet. It was also a lot faster than I'm used to because of the hull length.
I guess the kind of freaky part is that after a full morning working on the foredeck while tacking up a channel, sometimes using a C0, and hoisting an asym to go back down I was less physically tired after a few hours of sailing the J/80 I used to have. Also, it was a little daunting because you know walking past one of the shrouds that they are managing something like 60 or 70 tonnes each of dynamic load and if they were to let go in that moment you'd probably instantly die. Also all the hardware looks kind of to scale with the rest of the boat but when you're up there and you realize the clew ring on the jib that dances around quite close to head level in every tack is the size of your entire hand you suddenly feel quite small. The loads are so huge but you can never really tell, it's bizarre.

One thing that made it feel less like sailing for me, as I've only owned quite sporty boats below 10 meters, was how long everything took. Hoisting the main took 20 minutes at least. Gybing with the asym was out of the question so we had to snuff it every time which took forever. Another thing that didn't make it feel like sailing was that I was kind of worried the entire time about something breaking. I had this thought in the back of my head that if the hydraulics for some reason failed we would be completely screwed. I don't think there would be any way for us to realistically douse the asym for example since the downhaul for the sock was done with a hydraulic winch, which is a pretty scary thought since the sail was something like 800 sq.m./8600 sq.ft. Sure there were emergency manual overrides for stuff but imagine the gearing on those. You'd probably be winching for a good hour to get that sock down.
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>>1674440
>less physically tired after a few hours of sailing the J/80 I used to have
Should read "Less physically tired THAN after a few hours of sailing the J/80 I used to have".

Also, I should clarify something in that last paragraph. I'm a pretty worrying person so I always worry about stuff breaking, even on my own smaller boats, but in that situation I know what would happen if something did. On the big boat that worry was accompanied by the feeling of being completely clueless as to what we would do if something went wrong. I've heard of superyachts dismasting and taking the life of one or two crew in the process so while I'm in awe of these boats and think they're amazing I also have a great deal of respect for the loads involved in a rig like that.
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Here's my Cape Dory 25. It's a full encapsulated lead keel, and as stable as they come. I do multi-week singlehanding every year but it's mostly used for heading around the bouys.
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>>1679041
The keel profile.

Note the "inboard/outboard"
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>>1679042
And a shot of what I'm usually seeing when cracking that first post-sail beer.
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>>1679042

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
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(crossposting from /xs/ because that board is slow as shit)

Got into it last year. Picked up a Siren 17' for $2500, touched it up a bit, and hit the lakes. Whole boat weighs like 700lbs, swing keel, 6" of draft with the keel up so you can run it right onto the beach if you want. Could sleep 2 in principle, but that's not happening. Thinking of throwing another halyard on it for a flag for now, and maybe eventually a spinnaker if I feel really ambitious.

Never took any courses, just internet and YouTube guides. It's fairly intuitive for just casual day sailing, which is all I'm interested in. No racing with rich boomers for me.
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>>1676629
That's a beautiful one.
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so I sailed a few times on really small boats in the boyscouts now im thinking about buying a 50ft steel hull sailboat if I get on the crazy check
am I crazy?
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I raced classic yachts in the med for years, mostly on a 1900's gaff cutter. I grew up racing dinghys, and my first time helming one of these big boats was on a 65ft/20m bermudan, where we were the only boat to recognise there was a pin bias on the start line. The rest of the fleet fall into position coming up to the start on starboard tack at the committee boat end, and we're the only boat coming across them on port. Threading a 65ft boat through a fleet of other powered up yachts (who all have right of way over us) will stay with me forever
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>>1682073
Go for it. Do you know how to weld?
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>>1682091
yea I know how to weld thats what pointed me to steel hulls I could get a zena high output alternator/welder and be good to go off the boats diesel motor
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Bumping for content
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>>1673780
That movie made me want a trimaran but they are super expensive and I don't know how practical
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>>1683739
A monohull and two canoes, fren.
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>>1650219
Why do some (mostly older?) sailboats have red sails?
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>>1683792
>They are not really red but rather, a brownish red colour. It is because the cotton or hemp of the sail is treated with Stockholm tar that is extracted from pine trees. It makes them more weather resistant.
Is this cut up into small enough pieces to fit on the spoon?
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>>1683792
So you don't see them when they bleed
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>>1657225
Looks based
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>>1683782
And big enough loads on your outriggers that if you're not smart about it you end up right back at two canoes and a monohull.
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say if I wanted to start sailing tomorrow
what's the cheap and small sailboat on which I can start learning?
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>>1683807
Something like a catalina 22 or shark 24 if you are in the great lakes.

For something smaller, a laser or CL-14 can be hard pretty cheap.
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>>1680220
Nice.

I've been boatless for the last few years, just been crewing on other friends boats. Finally getting back into ownership. Looking at a lot of decent Express 30's.

Those little Sirens look pretty neat, how do they handle chop/winds?
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>>1683807
A club boat.
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>>1683803
Couple 6" I-beams, good for sea state 9.

>>1683810
I don't have much to compare it to, and it's been strictly lake sailing so there weren't particularly big waves, but I've taken it in 35kph turbulent winds and it wasn't terrible. It was on my 3rd time sailing, so it was kind of nerve-wracking to deal with constant changes in wind direction and sudden gusts, but I imagine that's the case for most boats. The freeboard at the stern is really short so occasionally choppy water likes to come into the cockpit (and drain out through the drain hole), so you get a bit wet compared to a MacGregor or something. I did learn on that day that the Siren gets pretty strong weather helm if sailed just with the main up. I was constantly getting stuck in irons before I decided to get the jib going, and just mitigate the retarded wind by making the main less efficient.

The think I like about the boat is that it's (theoretically) unsinkable, as it has foam cores running through the internal benches. So no matter how badly you fuck up, you're good unless the whole hull comes apart.

Pic related, this was when I just bought it. I've since changed the paint scheme and refinished everything, fabbed some mast supports for the trailer, and put bigger wheels on it. If I had the time and space, I'd like to dismantle the whole thing and refinish it, because the interior could use some work. Turns out gelcoat isn't designed to last 50 years.
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Can anyone redpill me on electric outboards?

I bought a C22 in Jan and I love it to death but haven’t even had the chance to REALLY sail it yet because I’ve constantly been plagued by outboard issues (fucks with going in and out of the boat ramp). Just lost my ICE outboard in a river (though I recovered it) and am thinking of getting an Elco or Torqueedo. Any thoughts? I just want to sail bros
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>>1650399
How realistic would it be to make any kind of journey longer than just a few days and outside of coastal waters?
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>>1684213
It would be possible. Natives crossed large swaths of ocean in fucking canoes lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUi0gsxVHZM

This is a Ranger 23, bigger but still real small.
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>>1684213
People do it all the time. Lots of prep though. Not as much as an ocean crossing, but you still have to be autistic about supplies and gear and weather and shit.
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>>1684213
>>1684247
>>1684492
Sorry, forgot half the question:
How realistic would it be to make any kind of journey longer than just a few days and outside of coastal waters *in such a small boat?
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>>1684638
How much food and water can you store? That's your answer.
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>>1684041
Bumping for an answer
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>>1685019
What do you need to know? They're more expensive and less capable, but there's no real maintenance involved aside from the batteries. If you only need it for docking, and you don't mind shelling out, then get one. If you want something cheap, get a little gas outboard and actually maintain the thing, it isn't hard.
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>>1685564
Yeah I only need it for docking. I’ve been looking at ePropulsion and Torqeedo. Does anyone have any experience with either brand?
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Henlo is this the Olympic sailing thread?
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I'll be sailing a 26'er up the west coast of Sweden next week depending on the weather, I hope none of you fags will be hogging my anchor spots
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>>1686559
We'll keep an eye out for the rainbow flag.





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