Japanese engineering is overrated
>>1650080>Japan is overratedftfy
>>1650080It has no soul.
>>1650087Not only are Class 800s soulless but they don't work either
>>1650080Why don't we build our own trains anymore?
>>1650080Our rail networks could have been so much better had they not privatised it. Maybe we could have built proper high speed infrastructure too...
>>1650120Because Labour doesn't want people in the UK working, they want workers to live on government welfare
>>1650120lmaoI'm not the kind of person to say a toad or so, but you know what? A toad or so. I fuckin a toad or so.
>>1650087>>1650092shut the fuck up about soul. It's reduced to an empty word you use to describe things you do and don't like
>>1650120We literally do.
>>1650120The factory workers would be on strike more than on the clock.
>>1650531No m8 it's a feeling you can't comprehend because you're an autist
>>1650080>Be UK government>Castrate own coach companies (as their car, as their plane, as their space, as their "insert business British engineer begun and master, only to be killed)>Order Japanese trains>Must be build in UK>Must be cheapest bid>Must be XXXXX>Has problems>Face.pngBritish infrastructure is a joke. Your motorways are a joke. Your rails are a joke. Your efficiency are a joke.Only the underground in London seems to be working, and that is not even competing with foreign systems.
>>1650602>insert business British engineer begun and master, only to be killed...
>>1650602t. seething nip
>>1650080I just don't like how Japanese design is so messy, the big AC units weirdly plonked on the roof, the ugly cabling between vehicles, their obsession with internal hung doors etc etc
>>1650635Oh my god I legitimately forgot corbyn existed, I kind of assumed he'd been disappeared. MSM did him so fucking dirty, and I think we all know why that was. Feel like pure shit just want him back.
>>1650675his own party fucked him pretty hard, the MSM just toed the line.
>>1650675>constant seething about his plans to nationalise rail>tories nationalise rail anyway because of the big coof>zero media seethereally makes you think
>>1650684Stop it with these conspiracy theories! there's nothing to see here, nothing at all.
>>1650080It's okay.Japanese companies don't run away from their responsibilities.
>>1650080That's what you get for not buying french trains
>>1650690>supporter of the IRA, Cuba and Venezuela>Corbyn's a good boy he dindu nuffin the media's smearing him as a commieI bet you think the BBC is right wing too.
>>1650153Japan has a privatised railway system and it is among the best in the world. 80s BR was run down and had only a fraction of the passengers we have today.The only people who support nationalisation are literal communists, anyone with common sense knows that nationalised rail systems are a relic of a bygone era.
>>1650436The conservatives have been in charge for over a decade
>>1650906>80s BR was run down and had only a fraction of the passengers we have today.Yeah because the government deliberately underfunded it because they had a long-term strategy of flogging it to their mates in business when the time came.Also, the rise in passenger numbers is directly as a response to the increase in population and then the cost of living increase in major urban centres. House prices are at an all time high. No longer can people afford to live in the city they work in and nor can they drive thanks to the huge increase in the volume of cars on the road and the traffic, congestion charges, lack of parking and the huge increase in time this all takes. The first lockdown sent road usage back to the same level it was at when BR was privatised and the roads felt incredibly empty. This is why commuter towns are on the rise, not because BR was privatised ya moron.Not to mention privatisation was an abject failure and is being replaced by a better system.Not to mention that railways play a role in society that makes them more than just business.Not to mention the Bullet Train wouldn't exist if JR wasn't nationalised at the time. Not to mention privatised railways everywhere but the US STILL don't act like a true private business and rely on government money in a way that others don't. i.e you want a railway line built? taxpayer pays for it. Why shouldn't they also profit from it too?How are you still such a sucker for big business PR garbage in this day and age? You are spouting utter goy nonsense
>>1650916>Not to mention the Bullet Train wouldn't exist if JR wasn't nationalised at the time.I didn't realise something happening under a certain set of conditions proves that it is impossible for it to happen under other conditions.I also never said I supported the current system either, I can only assume thinking in absolutes like an autist is what communism does to your brain.
>>1650905He literally didn't support the IRA. He spoke to Gerry Adams (in the 80s, when he was a backbencher) in his capacity as the Sinn Féin party leader about how to resolve things in a non violent way.>cubaTIL being opposed to the amerishart embargo against Cuba is bad>muh vuvuzela>>>/pol/>I bet you think the BBC is right wingYes.
>>1651068>>I bet you think the BBC is right wing>Yes.Any true right winger would parrot leftist racial ideology, of course.
>>1651156That shit is neither "left" nor "right", it's just globocap agenda.
>>1651160Name me on right winger in favour of globohomo racial politics.
>>1651197how about i globo your homo ass, faggot
>>1650120>introducing the all new 2035 British made Boris Train of The Future HS5™. Now with extra warning signs not to stick your head out of the window.
>>1651266>sticking your head out the windowGod I miss it so much
>>1651214These are the quality posts I miss from the 2006-2008 era of the site...
>>1651266The HSTs were built to last, the same cannot be said for the foreign rubbish we get nowadays.
>>1650914>implying Conservatives are anything other than blarite labour at this point
>>1651160In the general usage of the terms left and right that is clearly left wing
>>1651402How is that left wing chud? It's the result of late stage capitalism.
>>1651041Private companies tend to steer clear of that kind of radical R&D because it usually doesn't have instant financial results. When profit isn't your main motive you can do so much more to advance technology.
Just so you know, we had a similar issue when the Class 91s were introduced back in the 90s. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/114502.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/114771.stmhttp://danger-ahead.railfan.net/reports/sandy.htmNot everything is bad, you just don't have memories.
>>1653668This accident allegedly involved 91 023. This loco would go on to be involved in the Hatfield and Selby derailments just 4 months apart.
>>1653538It was not the government that invented automobiles. Sometimes radical R&D is necessary to make a profit, literally anything prior to socialism (government ownership of the means of production) being widespread has demonstrated that.
>>1653715the government didn't invent fire, or the wheel. really makes you think...
>>1653717The point is that profit does not come from stagnation, saying that private companies only care about profit is meaningless in respect to technological advancements.
>>1653726ok so this is pretty much word salad. mind trying it again
>>1653730It's your problem if you can't understand the notion that "Private companies tend to steer clear of that kind of radical R&D because it usually doesn't have instant financial results" is false because new technology can be profitable, the car is just an example.
>>1653733is putting another two wheels on a car technological advancement
>>1653734What came before the automobile?
>>1653726>>1653733Sometimes radical R&D might align with a private companies primary motive of profit, sometimes it does not. simple as.The railways in America make the most profit being run down as fuck and shifting large amounts of freight on dodgey track. That kind of model does not benefit us or society at all, unless we are shareholders.
>>1653864amigo basado y rojoempastilladofr tho no massive and or visionary piece of tech nowadays would be real if it wasn't for big fat cut of government investment in the past
>>1651197David Cameron.>tfw I don't normally post on /n/ and have just noticed you posted that nearly a week ago
>>1654493Exactly. There'd be no SpaceX without NASA.
>>1650153You would be saying the same thing if it were nationalized >If only they privatized it they would be able to.... No it's going to be functioning at the bare minimum that people will deal with, and in Japan as long as it's clean they won't complain ever.
>>1650584No I'm just not stuck in the past like you are.
>>1654904>>tfw I don't normally post on /n/ and have just noticed you posted that nearly a week agowhy does anyone need to know that?
Honestly what gives with you guys? I get the whole national pride thing but it really doesn't matter as much as you think it does. The only countries in Europe with sizable train production are Germany, France, Switzerland, Italy, and the Czech Republic. Even then these countries are no strangers to foreign imports. I see you all banging on about how our modern trains are "globocap shit" well you're right, it is global capitalism.I embrace that rather than reject that, and so should you, instead of being some self pitying nostalgic who thinks domestic production defines the greatness of your country. Can't you just judge things by their quality rather than whether they have "Made in Great Britain" stamped on them?
>>1650080>asks japan to built a train to uk specifications>trains breaks down because uk spec is shit anyways>blame japan for it
>>1662648What are you on about? A handful were found to have cracks, that's down to the materials used for modern trains not the loading gauge. Idiot.
>>1663299>aluminum bodies are new techThe cracks were first found on CAF trains, then Hitachi decided to check their own trains too. The cracks were found only on the ones with diesel generators.Meanwhile the class 395, built by the same Hitachi, with the same train family, are running since 2009 in the French-built HS1 with no problems whatsoever.Maybe you should ask the french to fix your railways instead of complaining of every single manufacturer.
>>1667052Hitachi are amazing compared to CAF. They're absolutely dreadful. Full of bad engineering and problems with software. We had 6 years of software bugs, sometimes resulting in acceleration or breaking getting stuck, among 100s of other bugs.
>>1653864It benefits people who buy stuff, would be more expensive without rail freight
>>1667052Still has nothing to do with the loading gauge.Also>French-built HS1It uses French signalling, but then so does the HSR link between France, Belgium and The Netherlands. HS1 is about as "French built" as the Channel Tunnel.
>>1667168>has nothing to do with the loading gaugenever said it had. Its all about track construction and maintenance standards, hence why the Class 800 exists in the first place, instead of using the already proven Class 395.>HS1 is about as "French built" as the Channel TunnelExactly.
>>1667289Well I'm not sure if I'm talking to the same anon but "UK spec" was said to be the cause for cracking and by UK spec anyone would think you're talking the loading gauge. >>HS1 is about as "French built" as the Channel Tunnel>Exactly.And the Channel Tunnel was a joint venture rather than being 100% French built? Unless French people like waving our flag as well as their own...
>>1667379>>1667379>by UK spec anyone would think you're talking the loading gaugeOnly somebody uneducated would think thatAlso>flag waving means anythingThe French built the railway, the Tunnel and the trains (both the TGV TMST and the "Le Shuttle"). The brits helped with the money, since part of the project is in their land. But everything including the sleepers and catenary are French.Same with the LGV to Belgium and the TGV PBA/PBKA.
>>1667522>Only somebody uneducated would think thatWhat else could I be thinking? Companies like Siemens and Stadler make trains for mainland Europe identical to the ones used in their home countries of Germany and Switzerland. But when companies here place orders for them they have to be built to a UK spec. The SPECIFICATION that typically includes not being double decker ever, and all the main components being beneath the carriages etc. But then there are also things like yellow fronts and orange lines bordering the roofs. Still, it's mainly to do with the loading gauge. As for your claims for HS1 being 100% french built, only ONE of the companies in pic related is French.
>>1667619>The SPECIFICATION that typically includes not being double decker everCould one even do double decker on our gauge? It'd be a challenge.
>>1671656They did with the SR 4DD from 1949 to 1971. it wasn't really a proper double decker and they were apparently fairly horrible to ride. This was also a period of history where washing daily was considered extravagant, and more than every other person smoked. Couple that with no opening windows on the upper deck and passengers packed in like sardines... JUST
>>1671722slightly better pic
>>1671722>>1671723Gosh, I see what you mean. Not exactly one for the "premium" crowd.
Something nobody seems to have mentioned here yet is the whole Kobe Steel situation. They were busted a couple of years back for selling subpar steel and aluminum and lying about its quality, strength, durability, etc. Some of that metal found its way into UK-bound Hitachi trains and there's a lot of speculation that it's the reason the 800s are failing so early.