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We finally have a sticky, edition.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfJknMp1KS2W8lOFB36nl6uJOjpAVIkm/view

Had to put the document on Google Drive since pastebin is gay and wouldn’t let me post it publicly there.

Most of the credit goes to the other tug guy who wrote most of the guide, I just added the links at the end.
If anyone has anything that needs to be added, or if the eurofags have input for getting foreign jobs please feel free to post, and we can add to the document.
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My TWIC expires in June. I really need to go get a new one.
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>>1632498
Mine came in about a week when I did it.
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>>1632501
Cool. I'll procrastinate some more then.
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>>1632498
>>1632501
I fucked up bad once and went to work with an expired TWIC. Fortunately the yard was near a TWIC office, and I got one within a week as well
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Is it relatively easy to join the Seafarer's International Union? I need a plan B since looks like I totally fell for the college scam, and now I have degree that nobody seems to want.
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>>1632676
Give them a call, they have an apprentice program and a nice training campus for their union members. Read the sticky in the OP to find out about the bare minimum credentials you need to get started.
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>>1632676
Could be worse, could have gone to an Academy as a decline, have a diploma nobody cares about except shipowners.
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Any msc fags know about surface rescue swimmer course? How good do i have to be?
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>>1632498
gotta get a new mmc fuck..
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>>1632986
fuck is a decline?
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>>1633009
"Deckie" I think. Had to work through my own autocorrect on my own post. I'm honestly the worst kind of phoneposter
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>>1632732
>Read the sticky in the OP to find out about the bare minimum credentials you need to get started.
Not much in there about them besides the usual blurb, but their website is pretty helpful. My only concern is I don't have 2 letter of recommendations, nor know anyone who would write me one, and I don't think it would be a good idea to fake them.
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>>1632996
The physical test is not that hard, but the instructors are very selective. Basically have to be a young male under 30 and already fit or he won't waste his time training you.

It was something like a 100m or 200m swim in under a certain time, and med reps pullups.

If you pass and he likes you l, you go on to train for a few months before being sent to SRS school in Florida.
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>>1633049
Fuck max* reps pullups
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>>1633049
>>1632996
As far as the course itself, maybe some ex Navy guys that may be here can chime in, but from what my academy classmate who went said it was very difficult, and that was a guy who I was on the rowing team with, so it's tough.
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>>1633052
>>1633049
>>1633051
I'm being totally retarded with these multiple posts, but you go to the actual Navy Surface Rescue Swimmer course, it's not an MSC course.
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What exactly is a Coast Guard physical? Like mile runs or blood check ups?
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>>1633131
Hardly that in depth, this is the form:
https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/NMC/pdfs/forms/CG_719K.pdf

Very simple physical, and I usually get these done at some urgent care, and half the time they dont even do all the shit on the form and just sign me off for everything after some chit chat about my job and seeing that I am young and healthy.
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>>1633044
There are other ways to work than SIU, I never liked the SIU union diehards anyway. You can always get your MMC/TWIC and work private in an entry level job.
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any glove recommendations for a engine fag?
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Very specific question but I am curious if one you could answer,

I'm a manual lathe operator with good experience and I hear tale that freighters sometimes have machine shops in their mechanical rooms. I've always been interested in working on a ship and I'd love to do some machine/maintenance work on one. But the kicker is that I would strongly prefer to be on the great lakes to stay close-ish to home relatively speaking. Am I delusional or is there something to work with here?
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Submitted my fingerprints and consent for a background check to the Ministry of Fisheries & Oceans

I'm an atheist but I almost find myself praying that they let me into the canadian coast guard college
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>>1633649
Closest thing I can think of are "Deck Machinists" on MSC ships, which are a QMED position, but even then they only do real machinist/lathe work sometimes, which would leave you starting out as a wiper, then acrewing one year of sea time to become a QMED (qualified member of the engine department) then youre in a bonafied technician position and would be able to work with your hands in a similar-ish fashion to a lathe operator.
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>>1633654
RIP anon, send to canadian Guantanamo for posting the n-word on 4channel
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>>1633626
They’ll give you gloves
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>>1633953
I know but they are usually pretty shit and for me often hazardously large.
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bump for the only legitimate maritime general
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>>1633626
If I’m missing with equipment that requires dexterity I usually just like using 7mil disposable nitrile gloves.

Otherwise these are good for general use where you don’t need tons of dexterity, like >>1633953 said though they’ll give you gloves and most likely will have some variant of the ansell’s onboard already

https://www.uline.com/BL_895/Ansell-HyFlex-11-618-Polyurethane-Coated-Gloves
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>>1633150
>There are other ways to work than SIU, I never liked the SIU union diehards anyway.
I hate unions as much as the next guy, but I want to experience the three different departments. Plus you upgrade faster in ranks with SIU. Speaking of which how long does it take to go from unlicensed to licensed?
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>>1634199
Going from an entry level deck (Ordinary Seaman) or engine (Wiper/oiler) to a licensed third mate or third engineer requires four years of sea time, or 1460 logged working days on a ship, which would take anywhere from 6-8 years of sailing, depending how often you rotate on/off the vessels.
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I got corona.
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>>1634461
Don't let it go!
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have you ever met a fellow 'channer onboard?
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>>1635039
People generally know what 4chan is but don’t know about boards like /n/
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>>1635039
I think one left a hobo sign on one of our tires
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>>1635454
>>1635449
Heh wouldnt be a bad idea to make some promotional /mg/ stickers
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>>1635475
i mean something like this could work i guess
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>>1635479
I don't like talking to the majority of my coworkers in person. I certainly don't want their type finding my secret internet club
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>>1635479
cringe as fuck
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is it possible to enjoy your hitch?
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>>1635591
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>>1635591
After about 3 months in i was ready to off myself
4 months in i started to realize my problems
5 months in i was working on fixing said problems
6 months in i fixed my problems and enjoyed my time again
Now im 1 month signed off and i want to go back to prove i have improved myself

TL:DR no but when you sign off you want to go back
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>>1635591
I signed on to the boat I’m currently on back in September of last year, did about three months straight before we pulled into a port that was about an hour from my house in Florida and I went home for three weeks, then went back for a six week hitch before we pulled back into Florida for two weeks where I went home again. We got underway again and came here to San Diego. I don’t crewchange for like two more weeks, but I’m taking like three months off this time home.
Overall I haven’t gone crazy because this ship has a great crew and the science groups that came onboard for the three trips we made were all pretty good.
I have been on boats in the past though where I’ve absolutely wanted to kill myself like three weeks in. Largely depends on the work and the crew imo
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>>1635687
>Largely depends on the work and the crew imo
Totally. And honestly the "crew" part is key. With a good crew I can stay on for months and tolerate almost any hardship. Opposite for a bad crew.

I was good friends with a captain I used to work with. We'd always have a good time, even on really shitty jobs, even when lots of shit went wrong.
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What are endorsements?
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>>1635800
Everytime you pay a school $1000 per week of a class, after you pass it, you typically get an endorsement. Licensing tonnage, engine room horsepower, tankerman, lifeboatman, AB, and so on. What position you can legally sail as.
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How is Covid-19 affecting you and your workplace? Can you tell me anything about procedures regarding Covid-19? Any information is welcome.
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>>1635931
Get cancer in the ass journo
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>>1635956
covid killed my father
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>>1635956
I'm not journo, just a curious lad in maritime school
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>>1635931
We found the cure. It’s eating each other’s shit, faggot
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what's the best kind of ship to work on? (cargo,ferries,sci)
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>>1636006
Cable ferry
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>>1634461
Don't give up the ship! godspeed fellow slave
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>>1635039
Yes. I could tell he was a little bit "red pilled" but then I eased into questions to reveal his power level. He ended up talking about inflated numbers from the Holocaust. I never got his number or exchanged information with him.

>>1635591
Fuck yeah you can, when you have a good crew. The weeks/months fly by. No drama or hurt feelings.

After 2 weeks of an ornery captain, with captain-itis, yells, or constantly is micromanagin/talking shit, I'm fucking over it.

The new generation of millenials going into the wheelhouse is going to be such a breath of fresh air when all these boomers finally fucking die/retire.
The toxic work environment is fucking terrible on a boat. I've worked with some shitty boomers. You can only let shit roll off ya like rain so much, until you can't sleep because you're so fucking pissed off at getting verbally degraded.

>>1635931
One of my company's boats got covid. Boat was down for 2 weeks. 2 guy were stuck on it and quarantine the whole time.

>>1636006
America has the largest and oldest fleet of tugs. Easiest to get on. Tugging ain't too bad, depending on what you're doing.
Personally, I'm getting pretty over getting fucked on my sleep and working over 84 hours a week, outside of emergencies.
Working 12-18 hours, when we're supposed to work 6, and cooked books. Fuck, I've seen captains in the wheelhouse for 20 hours, due to how to cookie crumbled with shifting.
I wonder how it is to be union, and if those guys get fucked on their rest hours.
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>multiple billionaires, universities, and sovereign nations are building ice class polar research vessels
can someone explain why this is happening?
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>>1636496
Arctic oil, gas and other resources I assume
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>>1636496
There's something under the ice, anon. I can't say more
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>>1636496
so we can make coca cola commercials with polar bears smooth brain
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You guys getting forced vaccinated?
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>>1636780
You posting on both mg threads?
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>>1636819
No. Just answer the fucking question. Some of us are worried that our maritime career may be obstructed because of the possible "no jab, no job" policy. I'm in maritime school and I don't want to take the vaccine for my internship. Hopefully tugboats don't require it so I'm looking to get trained on a tugboat. Big cargo ships are definitely a no no from now on, since people from all over the world work on those and thus they'd require vaccinations.
I'm Dutch, by the way, if any Dutchfags are in here and have the some worries as me. But, probably not, because all of my classmates are getting it and I am alone.
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>>1636489
>One of my company's boats got covid. Boat was down for 2 weeks. 2 guy were stuck on it and quarantine the whole time.
What were their symptoms? Are they working again? What does your company think about this?
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>>1636780
We already have "forced" jabs for shit like yellow fever, hepatitus, etc. Forced as in if you dont take them you dont work. Covid will be the same as soon as enough are dealt out/commmercially available
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>>1636966
Ok mate, im also european and havent heard anything about that yet. My general sailing area is baltics though. Also maybe its time to rethink something if your whole class is doing it any you arent, might be hard to pass the seamans medical later on if theres some kind of mental issue
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>>1636990
Not him but those jabs arent genetic therapy and are past experimental phase. They are also for more deadly illnesses
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>>1636966
Take heart, friend, there are still many of us that care about making our own decisions. The vagscene's not required at my company (US, tugs). If they try to force it on me I'm planning on saying no. They will try to ostracize us and threaten our livelihoods, but if healthy young men passively accept a hastily developed shot for a 99.9+ survivable virus that mostly affects fat people, they'll be emboldened to force even gayer, dumber shit on us next time.
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>>1636990
In addition to what >>1636993 said, you don't need documentation of a yellow fever vaccine to go to your neighborhood grocery store.
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>>1637001
>>1636993
>>1637000
I dont give a fuck either way. If i cant sail without it ill do it and the governments are faggots for injecting people with a hastily made genetic fuckery juice.

And before the thread divolves into schizo/pol shit how do you lads deal with a gf or wife on shore while youre gone for a couple months?
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>>1637036
It's very unorthodox, but I like it
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>>1637084
kek
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anyone else start craving gay porn 2 months into a hitch?
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I'm in my comfy place
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>>1637617
Wooden furniture and yellow lights can turn a crawl space into a comfy corner. Allthough all you really need is a bed, a place to shit piss and cum, and a shower
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>>1637683
Bunk and a sink, got it
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>>1637617
that mug is going to smash into your skull when you sleeping anon
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>>1637008
> how do you lads deal with a gf or wife on shore while youre gone for a couple months?
Generally I get dumped
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>>1637520
sorry buddy, just you
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>>1637732
Would I be so lucky
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>>1637008
i'm an incel
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has anyone worked on a scientific research vessel, what is it like?
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>>1637008
Lmao even chad gets cheated on if he's away for too long. Women are compulsive whores.
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>>1637959
Man, who hurt you?

There’s good ones out there. Just harder to find. But she ain’t gonna cheat on you if you lock her down with a ring, a kid, and a 6 figure salary. And hopefully she has enough drive to get her own fucking career and still work.
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>>1638157
it's 2021 anon, marriage is a dead concept to women
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>>1637952
It’s fucking awesome, we go to cool places, have great WiFi, generally have cool scientists who bring hot grad students along.
Pay is pretty good as well.
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>>1638298
what company
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>>1638298
gotten any tang from the grad students yet?

PROTIP: this /mg/ is the chad version, not that gay shit from the bridge.
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I have my 3rd A/E and degree but went shoreside after school due to rona, wasn't sure what the job market was going to be like when everything shut down so I just took the first offer I got. Did a shipyard for a while now I'm on the design side if anyone wants to know more about shoreside. Sometimes I think I "should" sail since I don't know as much about operating the engine room as I probably should as an engineer.
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>>1638395
NOAA

>>1638451
I plead the fifth on that one

>>1638626
That view looks awfully familiar
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Bonfire Richard outbound from San Diego headed to the torch in Brownsville
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>>1638671
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>>1638672
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>>1638673
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>>1638675
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>>1638632
Where in Alaska is that?
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>>1638713
Dutch harbor
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How do you stay /fit/ on a tugboat?
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>>1638716
This pic radiates coziness. Reminds me of drinking me morning coffee and smoking a cig in the snowy norwegian fjords. Absolutely comfy
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>>1638724
masturbate for forearm gains
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>>1638738
Dutch was an incredibly cozy place, would love to get back out there sometime.

>>1638724
If you don’t have a towing machine you’ll get fit hauling in that hawser
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That guy who was about to start work offshore here? Just saw 12 people went missing on a capsized liftboat in the gulf
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If I show up to my MSC job with long ass hair, will I be judged? I’m trying to get the Aragorn look
>t. Maritime school faggot
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>>1638724
Kettlebells, resistance bands, weighted vest, and lift tow shackles.

I just wish I could run.

>>1638756
Dutch is fucking depressing after you’ve spent enough seasons going up there.
I never want to spend another winter on a boat in Alaska.

>>1638989
Who gives a fuck? Ain’t like you’re working on a yacht.

>last night’s sunset.
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>>1638989
Yes
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>>1638925
There is hope that some of them are still alive and trapped in the boat. Divers are going out today and will gain access to the interior.

https://www.nola.com/news/article_a6e3077a-9ed1-11eb-9155-2369bd36de3a.html
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>>1639222
Are you the offshore guy? Maybe if hes trapped inside he can update us on his phone in here
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>>1639222
Holy fuck. I was driving across Lake Pontchartrain during the storm and it was pretty wicked. Not surprised something like this happened.
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>>1638925
>>1639227
Two men from my company are onboard, I will not say more. Pray for them!
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>>1636780
Hard no on that one chief. My priest is ready to send a letter saying as much and I'm going to stand by it. So what if I lose my job, I'm kind of getting tired of being at sea.
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>>1639230
Man that sucks, i aint the religious type so say a prayer in my stead or something
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>>1639224
No, just a dude that lives in Louisiana.
>>1639227
Which storm? It's been storming hard every morning for the past 4 days.
>>1639230
I've been praying every day, buddy. I hope that even if these guys didn't make it, they can at least recover their bodies. The family will have a bit more closure that way.
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>>1639243
Also, they found another body.
https://www.nola.com/news/article_d70c1c7e-9edc-11eb-b505-8bc23a2ee983.html

It's sad, but the family will at least be able to have a proper funeral.
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i have never liked anyone that I have been onboard with ever in my 10 year career as a cap
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>>1639219
>I just wish I could run.
treadmills are mandatory by solas
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>>1639578
He meant run from his big gay mental demons
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>>1639244
They found two more bodies... I don't think we're going to get anymore survivors. :(
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>>1639668
I think you're right about that and that upsets me. I can't even have a stiff drink to help so I simply have to endure the feelings.
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>>1639623
They let you fly a drone while they were doing crane ops?
>>1638925
How the heck are we even supposed to survive a capsize? Just hope you're lucky and out on deck when she starts to roll over? Capsizing legitimately terrifies me, I'd rather deal with a fire at this point.
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>>1639706
It'll be alright, buddy. I was just reading the bio of the chef's body they found. This stuff breaks my heart and I'm not even in the maritime industry.
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>>1639712
Cap'n explained it to me once but i forgot why you cant fly drones during crane ops.
I think one of those dudes crashed and almost slammed it into an AB or something
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>>1638989
yes
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>>1639712
As long as I don't fly it over or near other ships and don't bother the cranes or operations they don't seem to give a fuck
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>>1639810
I can believe it.
>>1639841
That's incredibly based, kind of rare these days for people to use common sense when it comes to such things. For example, I had to sign off on a 12 page TRA to 'safely' use a computer and one the hazards listed was limb amputation by improper door usage.
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Are you guys happen woth your career on the water?
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>>1640196
Overall, yes. It's an odd lifestyle and comes with its unique problems (like being away from home a lot), but I like the money and the big chunks of time off.
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Is hawsepiping still a good use of time? All those boomers on gcaptain say otherwise
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Was good seeing you the other day, Tugfag. Stay safe out there, bro.
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>>1638298
Thats a great pic, tugfag. Can you tell us where it is?
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>>1638671
>the torch in Brownsville
Whats this now? I dont know what that is and google wont tell me. Those are some nice Foss tugs though.
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>>1640343
They're taking it to be scrapped. Brownsville has a major scrapyard
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>>1640306
Depends on your age, goals, and industry sector. If you're fine with working on deck for a decade, probably not reaching a high officer position, and jumping through all the certificate hoops on your own, then yeah. Even a deckhand job pays well and has the fringe benefits of time off that office jobs don't
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>>1640659
>mfw
The only job I've been on that was 100% problem-free was when the crew was 100% men.
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>>1639597
You are projecting how out of shape you are through 4chan, friend.
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>>1640671
The old timers had it right, not letting women on board. Not because of superstition, that's just the cover. Female crew members are absolutely insufferable.
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>>1640659
>wanting to live and work 24/7, four weeks/month, in a small, confined space... with women?? that you'll probably get metoo'd for fucking??
shygddt
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Post some maritime art for maximum coziness
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>>1641212
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how do I get better at wheelin, bros?
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>>1641212
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>>1641212
Dirk Version is the artist
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>>1641441
Dirk Verdoon*
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>>1641435
Practice and refinement never end. Fight complacency. Have a hefty dose of natural intuition.
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>>1641212
Here's one
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They took this from yov
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>>1641439
Absolute kino, heres some more of ivan aivazovsky. I have a book somewhere filled with art from actual sailors from ye olden days to very modern ones ill try and snap some pics when i find it
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>>1639623
I really want to work on an AHTS at some point in my career. It's a shame they're not really utilized in the GoM much anymore, and most long distance rig moves use foreign flagged AHTS boats.

>>1641212
I had this painting of my old boat commissioned from one of the scientists we had onboard a few months ago. It wasn't finished in this pic she sent me. I'll post a proper one of the finished product when I get it framed and hung.
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>>1641740
>commissioned a generic tug boat
ishygddt
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Question for Ameribros: I want to get a 200 ton mate license. I'm an AB and have the sea time. Is it true that there are two paths to this, that you can either study independently (using Lapware, Captain Joe's, etc.) and then take a CG exam, or that you can take a sea school course and test w/ sea school (in lieu of CG exam)? If so, would you suggest one path over the other?

Also, I've heard several times that Advanced Firefighting and Radar are necessary to get, but I don't see either on the NMC's 200 ton mate checklist. What gives?
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>>1641743
>wanted a memento of the first boat I worked on
>think I'm crying over spending $200 to have it painted
shiggy diggy
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are small vessels more chill than big ass cargo boats?
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>>1642337
Depends on the crew and company.
I’ve been on tugs with insufferable captains, and 300ft supply boats where everyone felt like a family.
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>>1642341
you're like 50 years old though you don't count
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>>1642337
I think so, yeah. Like >>1642341 said, it varies with who you have, but the close proximity forced by tight quarters definitely creates a level of informality. You always use first names, eat at the same table (cause there's only one), etc. I like it.
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>>1642369
but no money tho
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>>1642374
I gross about $120k a year as a tug mate. Post 'yr paystub, richfag
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>>1642366
wat
I'm mid 20s
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>>1642489
stop pretending you’re me dude it’s not funny
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>>1642504
No u
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>>1641442
The modern boats just ain't doing it for me in these paintings except for this one. This one is good. Reminds me of my time living on Lake Michigan.
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how autistic can I be and still work onnaboat?
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How the fuck do I get my morse interpretation up to 20 wpm for the exam? By the time I wrote what I think the letter is he's already flashed 3 ahead of me.
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>>1643988
Use this site. I was getting decent at learning it before I got too busy with life and stopped.

http://aa9pw.com/morsecode/
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>>1643886
Honest answer, pretty fucking autistic. There's a correlation between autistic tendencies and job quality. The better you are at the job, the more leeway people give you for being a weirdo. Of you suck at the job, you better be George fuckin' Clooney suave.
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>>1641460
took what? and who? who says you can't go sailing in a wooden boat by some rocky coast?
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MSC... why are you taking so long to do medical.. why won’t you give me a NEO date
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>>1644462
they're MSC, and as a part of the federal govt, they're obliged to be retarded and slow as fuck.
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how long does it take to go from 3rd mate to chief mate
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>>1644936
720 days
360 to upgrade to 2nd, 360 from 2nd to chief.
There's also courses you have to take.
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>>1644945
>>1644936
Ya also need to get the job, as well.
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>>1644462
Just did my drug test, already had a neo date fast track within 2 weeks but i fucked it up so now i get to wait which is even worse
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>>1644945
?
According to what?
2nd mate license and exams were removed about 20 years ago
You just need 720 sea time as a 3rd or 2nd to be eligible to take the exam
I know a lot of ppl that were promoted as 2nd mates their 2nd contract at sea
I became a capt without a 2nd mate exam.
There is no exam in stcw. Last time I've checked anyway.
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>>1645164
2nd mate is now considered a 'junior officer' kek tell that to the eternal 2nd mate boomers who do nothing
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>>1645166
I believe 3rd and 2nd mate don't longer exist in stcw
Its just deck off. Some companies. The french for ex that I've worked for can send you as a safety deputy aka 3rd mate or navigation off aka 2nd mate with no difference in salary or the capt can give you whatever watch and job he sees fit, indifferent of what the company told you would do onboard since the contract stipulates deck off.
I know ppl that went through 3rd and 2nd jobs multiple times same contract coz of capt change and each had a different view of what that off should be doing
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>>1645169
3rd mates are always in charge of fire extinguishers and such
2nd mates arwe always in charge of bridge equip
are you sure you're a master? maybe you're a tug cap
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>>1645181
my ship has 1 CM & 1 deck off. are you sure you're in the right thread?
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>>1641657
I'd love to see it when you find it. I'm getting in to sailing, long term plans of getting a 35-40 foot boat and cruising around. There's a few sailing channels on youtube that have been godsends for giving an idea of what singlehanding a sailboat that size is like. For now just looking at a cheapo sunfish or laser I can play around with on the small local lake, and doing the keelboat course on the larger lake in the area.
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How do you msc /n/iggers cope with if ww3 started and you were underway you would almost certainly take a torpedo and die immediately due to not even being protected by our gay incompetent navy. Not trying to even talk shit, i do not trust crews of black women to save my ass if subs were lurking and the navy even said youre on your own, would abandon the first port i got to or jump off the deck if i was within 5 miles of land.
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>>1645554
Found it
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>>1645740
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>>1645743
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>>1645745
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>>1645746
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>>1645748
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>>1645752
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>>1645753
Thats all for now
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>>1645754
Thanks anon, those are really cool. I'm in love with tall ships, but >>1645748 and >>1645743 are really neat as well.
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>>1641442

Great lakes have the best ships
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>>1645823
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>>1645823
>and we really don’t understand how that one ship we keep talking about could have possibly sunk
>maintenance? what’s that?
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>>1645554
Look up donald crowhurst bucko
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Dont know what happened to my last post but I'll post it again

Most italian companies have 3rd mate in charge of navigation and 2nd mate of safety ffs lsa
In a Norwegian company that I've sailed with 3rmate was in charge of ffs and gmdss and 2nd mate lsa and navigation

So your always is not always
Nigger
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>>1646104
Intended for
>>1645181
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>>1646104
Seconded, Germans also got the same thing, just security & navigation/It might be different
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I really don’t understand why Military Sealift Command has it out for me personally. What did I do in a past life to deserve eternal medical paperwork limbo?
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>>1646618
Well, if you're pestering them half as much as you do us with your incessant whining and moaning, they've probably thrown your shit in the trash
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>>1645951
Damn, that's a wild and somewhat pitiful tale of hubris getting the better of a man.
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>>1646667
Actually it’s pretty wacky, because right after I made this post I got my NEO date
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>>1646694
let it serve as a warning to never let ((())) interfere with your business
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>>1642408
No, you post YOUR paystub since you're the one making a claim about income. Thats how it works.





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