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>>1595136There are some unequal ones I like. Mastodons are my fave example but I like 2-10-0s as well. But anything with 6 drivers or fewer, I need there to be a 4 wheel lead bogie or else it looks ugly as shit, regardless of the trailing bogie.Also, while 2-8-0s aren't my fave arrangement, I do like the proportions of some turn-of-the-century locos, not to huge but not too small. I suppose some Mastodons can do this too.
>>1595149Oddly specific tastes.How about this?
>>1595150Yeah, not a fan on Moguls. Don't really like most British locos anyway, I tend to prefer French or American ones
>>1595153Personally, I find French locomotives to be very cluttered. There are some great lookers like 242A1 but they are few and far between.US locomotives do have the appeal of being brutishly powerful but I think Australian and South African locomotives have a good balance between elegance and utilitarianism.
>>1595160I kinda like the look, though some later ones did clean up some. Compare Chapelon's 1934 series of Mastodon rebuilds in >>1595153 to the 1940 series here.
>>1595160Both series were rebuilt from the 4500 class, which were the first 4-6-2s to operate in Europe. (Though UK had previously built a few for export). The original saturated-steam versions made about 1,800hp at the cylinders, whereas the Mastodons made 4,200hp (1934 series) and 4,700hp (1940 series) at the cylinders.That said, I do kinda like the look of the initial 4500s such as this one, with the white paint and oval windows, has a sort of elegance to it.
>>1595168>rotary valveThat's sweet
>>1595185Yeah a lot of Chapelon's rebuilds used rotary-cam poppet valves (I think Lentz type?), which, unlike many other poppet setups, could use the existing Walschaert valve gear. You can see it in motion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKRCJhLU7rs
>>1595145Honest question: was the Y6 the best mallet, or even the best articulated ever made in the US? Big boys had obvious shortcomings and we just discussed what was wrong with the Allegheny locos
>>1595203For what N&W needed, it was perfect. It really depends on what you're wanting to do with it. Bogies help spread weight.Lead bogie can spread weight and also help guidance at high speeds.Trailing bogie can allow a deep, wide firebox, for better power at high speeds.Taller drivers are easier to balance at speed, and also determines the speed where peak HP comes along. (Of course, N&W figured out how to balance J class's small (for a 4-8-4) 70" drivers for 100mph running)Actual tonnage a train can move is determined by tractive effort, which is limited by the amount of weight on the drivers, especially on grades.So if you want to move a train on flat ground, at high speed, then "super power" locos are perfect for you.But if you want to move the absolute maximum the train can can, especially if it's at low speeds and/or on a mountainous region, you may want to focus more of the maximum weight on drivers. As noted in >>1595065 the 2-6-6-6, the heaviest loco ever built, had a tractive effort of only 110,000lb, which is absolutely pathetic compared to the Y6s 126k compound/166k simple, the Big Boy's 136k, or the VGN 2-10-10-2s 147k compound/176k simple.But I would say the Y6b was the most advanced mallet, and probably was the best one built. Though you could argue for the N&W 2-6-6-4s and Challngers as well, provided you used them in the correct manner.
More footage of 1309https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrSkaU8Uw8sAny idea why she's still belching so much smoke?
>>1595203I've heard the DRG&W 2-8-8-2s were some of the best pullers out there.
>>1595240Unless I got he wrong engines, apparently nothttps://www.steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=2-8-8-2&railroad=drgw#316
Who here /AUSTERITY/?
>>1595284Probably the most ugly steam locomotive of all time.
>>1595284>These ugly-ass engines served all the way up until 1966Who'd a thunk it
>>1594900>1604 is forever consigned to be a display piece because of flood damageWhat would water do to a steam locomotive that couldn't be repaired? Was it brackish?
>>1595352See for yourselfWater in the boiler and water inundating the frame, running gear, and cylinders AND getting tilted on the side are two different ballparks.
>>1595207How long could the Ys operate in simple mode? Indefinitely? Or would it quickly suck down all the steam?
>>1595215>Any idea why she's still belching so much smoke?It burns coal
anyone have any decent images of Cornwall as built? Google isn't helping me with this onw
>>1595354That doesn't seem irreparable
>>1595360Maybe not. Certainly from a cosmetic standpoint. But if the money ever magically appeared to fix either 1604 or 1601, I'm hedging my bets on 1601.
>>1595356Most compounds, articulated or not, had a simple-expansion mode. (I think at a reduced pressure to avoid excessive wheel slip) It was really only used for starting the train, otherwise boiler pressure would drop too quickly. Once you got fast enough to not stall you'd revert to compound mode to save steam, water, and fuel.Many 4-cylinder French compounds like the ones earlier in thread could also have modes to run on JUST the HP or LP cylinders, for emergency or light running.
What was the best drive wheel design and why was it Boxpok?
>>1595364I'm not an expert could be completely fucked but based on that pic I'd say it could be repaired if desired.I truly wonder what a museum will take to part ways with a steam engine like 1601. I wonder if they would consider selling it at all. Obviously museums do sell their equipment periodically, but I presume in addition to money or a trade, you'd also need some credentials for your operation.
>>1595394It depends. The museum where N&W 611 resides di its restoration (Norfolk Southern doesn't have a steam program). So if the Ford Museum ever gets enough dosh they can do it themselves if CSX lets them use their lines.
>>1595352It's made of metal. It will still rust out. Even if water is left in the tender/tanks for long enough it will cause the metal to rust. A steam loco is basically always trying to destroy itself.
>>1595400>The museum where N&W 611 resides di its restorationToo bad NCTM doesn't have money to restore their own damn steam locos, as opposed to restoring someone else's that's famous enough to get countrywide funding. I think it's been like, 15 years since they ran a steam loco that they actually owned? Pic related got sold to some place out of state. And the Shay is out of operation too.
>>1595412NCTM is fake and gay
>>1595384>>1595391any BFB wheel lovers in
Can't have a steam locomotive thread without a terrier
What do we think of streamliners?
>>1595384>BoxpokSCOA-P makes the world go round
>>1595401Metal can be repaired
heard you like small drivers Austrian Federal Railway Class 97. 2-12-2T
>>1595479>>1595480LMAO'ing at driverlets
>>1595482Argentina - Class E24 0-12-2
>>1595490how can driverlets even compete????
>>1595479pretty nice although that forward visibility must be poorhere's a slightly better proportioned Polish class Okz32 1-5-1
>>1595444Nothing against the T1, but what have you got against streamlined hudsons?
>>1595502i can't express why, but i just don't like the look of them. i can understand why most other people would though
>>1595415I'd love an OO model of Stepney even if it doesn't fit into my layout.
>>1595510I love articulateds on roads not normally associated with them, like B&O, PRR, SOU, and the like
>>1595532I feel like whenever articulateds are brought up, people only ever think of UP, N&W, and maybe C&O.Shame what happened to the last EM-1. Apparently, the B&O wanted it preserved, but when it was being pushed cold to a museum, the yardmaster didn't get the memo thought it was going for scrap, so he switched it that way, and by the time the B&O found out what happened, the scrapper's torch had already torn it apart. Dumbass got fired afterward, but sadly, it won't bring her back.
>>1595415I wanna see Stepney operating again. It hurts to see him mothballed
>>1595430>streamlinersLevels of based thought impossible until the first streamlined steamer rolled out of the works
>>1595431Eh, this level of streamlining is more iconic
>>1595482>>1595491lel at your shit torque
>>1595603Oh the torque is fine, the problem is grip
why were they so bad bros
>Narrow GaugeCute>Cape Gaugeits like the 5 dollar box at Taco Bell>Standard Gaugethe GOAT>broad gaugeDISGUSTING
>>1595430early the worst of any Streamliner and 4-6-4. Fuck that faggot Kike Perlman.
>>1595479what an odd combination of things>12 small drivers for Max tourqe >its a tank enginewhy not just do a Garratt? >now I want to see a photo shopped Challenger Tank engine
>>1595648Apparently they ate up a shit ton of coal and had horrible draft. You'd "put four loads of coal in and the first would just disappear out the stack."
>>1595652What was wrong with it?
>>1595654how did Baldwin fuck them up so bad.
>>1595656I used the wrong word. It was probably a fantastic locomotive but its the UGLIEST of all American streamlines. The UP ones are close behind it
>>1595663I think it's good
>>1595663Eh, they're not THAT bad
>>1595649the GWR abandoned broad gauge 40 years before trying this and they STILL fucked it up
Can any /n/-words here recommend me a good scenic steam train route, preferably East coast USA? I've always wanted to try riding a steam locomotive up through Georgia or wherever for a few days but I'm not sure how to go about finding something.
>>1595930You won’t find any kind of long haul ride, except for special excursions where you’ll have to pay big bucks to get on board. There’s some smaller /museumheritage lines with short trips. Not sure what’s in the southeast but I know there was something in Chattanooga.
>>1595930A lot of excursions have been cancelled or put on hold because of wu ping cough. NKP 765 and Pere Marquette 1225 are both in the roundhouse for the foreseeable future, and even if they weren't, like >>1595931 said, they cost big bucks to ride.
>>1595930Cass, West Virginia?
>>1595657Not sure how, but it's surprisingly easy to cock up the design of a locomotive.Pic related was so bad when it was first built that the basically dumped it on an easy route and firemen would miraculously "fix" a badly steaming engine when they found out this was the replacement.When it was preserved they found that:>The wrong sized chimney was used>Ashpan and dampers weren't big enough>The brick arch in the firebox was at the wrong angle, messing up the gas flow.Since those issues were sorted it's one of the best performing steam locomotives in the UK.>>1595930Just say /n/igga my /n/igga
What exactly were the difference between all the "Y" iterations? They all look very similar externally. Was it all internal, like superheater redesigns or something?
I like my tank engines T H I C C
>>1595433>mfw those madlads are actually gonna build 5550
>>1596164How far along are they now?I remember Tornado took something along what, 15 years? And this is a much bigger engine.
>>1596165about 1/3 of the way
>>1596168boiler is done too
>>1596168>>1596171Hmm...Shouldn't they have started with the frame and drivers? Makes more sense to build the foundation of a house before you add the shingles.
What was the speed difference in locomotives with 2 pony wheels vs 4?
>>1596172They said that they wanted to complete the largest parts first because they where generally the most expensive.>what will the British foamers even do when this thing gets the new speed record
>>1596180They'll restore the Mallard againA grand race between the T1 and mallard will then ensue.
>>1596030I WANT TO LIVE IN THOSE FRONT CYLINDERS
>>1596230That is quite silly of you anon. You would be crushed.
>>1596180That doesn't make any sense as the frame castings and cylinder and truck castings will all be way more expensive than the boiler.
>>1595284A U S T E R E
>>1596172my guess is that the big bits are easier to generate excitement and show downers "look how much we already have!" rather than a collection of little parts. it looks to me like they have all the hard parts ahead
>>1596312In any case, I do hope they get it done
>>1596274WD 2-8-0s and 2-10-0s did the job, but most crews thought they were rough riders.They were very nice on the track with very little hammer blow because they had very little balancing.
>>1596175For the front, a 4 wheel gives better guidance on curves. (Though there were a few fast locos with only a 2 wheel lead bogie) For the rear, bogies of any kind allow for a larger, deeper firebox, which allows more power at high speeds. It's less important in low speed engines like mallets, where the rear wheels are more for weight spreading, especially if the firebox is so huge that it has to go above some of the drivers anyway.
>>1596554I'm just talking about the pony trucks though, I wonder what the practical speed limit of only 2 leading wheels is
>>1596180>>what will the British foamers even do when this thing gets the new speed recordCry and shit their pants, then claim it doesn't count for being a new-build.
>>1596693Are there any pictures of 844 without the deflectors? I think they look odd on North American locomotives
>>1596697I think they look nice, especially on 844 and the NYC Niagaras.
>>1596172IIRC as of Spring 2019 there was still a fuckton of CAD work for frame components to be done and I think they wanted that all complete before continuing on the frame. Still the boiler, smokebox, and front tube sheet aren't exactly simple components. Not many people make steam locomotive boilers anymore especially of that size. I mean who even makes boilers with fucking Belpaire fireboxes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6gB9RwQLWQLooks like they explains what's going on with the frame here at 4:26
>>1596697>Are there any pictures of 844 without the deflectors?I don't think so, sadly
>>1596723>welding the frameWhy does this sounds like such an awful idea
>>1596785>>1596697Here's an earlier sister without ears.
>>1596693Ed Dickens is a fag for removing the Mars light off the front of 844
>>1596790The fame CAD looks like the areas that are narrower and thinner between the larger parts of the casting would be conducive to welding.
Speaking of T1's, the T-1 is getting close to returning to service. Link to the Train's article: https://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2021/01/reading--northern-brings-no-2102-nearer-to-operation-with-steam-test-to-service-after-steam-test?fbclid=IwAR0SWSQa1F25DbV98I2g57xBwclCWFR6DUFoXXxxfFedwfJoqj2tzSwDaNE
>>1596886I don't care about it that much
>>1596697Well "The Great Book of Trains" has a painting.
>>1596180>>what will the British foamers even do when this thing gets the new speed recordI'm actually pretty hype to see the T1 in action.t. Britbong
>>1597010I may be mistaken but they removed the part about trying to break the speed record from their website. I could have sworn it was there because every Youtube video about the Trust would be filled with seething Mallardfags in the comments. Now it just mentions "These locomotives had the capability of achieving speeds in excess of 120 mph, and anecdotal reports indicate that speeds of up to 140 mph were attained." I also could have sworn at this talk in 2019 I attended, they said they weren't even concerned about the top speed anymore. I belong to the PRR technical and historical society and undoubtedly the hottest topic over the past decade and half has been the T1 and it's flaws. Most of the time when people talk about the T1 they bring up many of it's flaws including excessive wheel slippage. Recentish research however is suggesting many of those flaw are actually fudd lore as they were either rectified by the PRR or massively overblown. The wheel slippage is supposedly one of them. I think it may have be the case of one sourcing making a claim and everyone after repeating it as the truth - like the myths surrounding the Battle of Midway. At one point the T1 was loaned to either the C&O or N&W or both for testing and had massive issues doing things it wasn't designed to do and regarding the wheel slippage it was supposedly a case of engineers used to running K4s' and M1's not knowing the T1 needed to be handled differently. So it's safe to say at this point the people involved are more concerned with getting it built to study how it actually ran and how bad it's flaws were rather than breaking the speed record. I'm sure they won't shy away from an opportunity to try it, but there aren't many places it can be done and I can see them not wanting to take the risks.
>>1597021Weird because railroaders and railfans aren't known for bullshitting
>>1597023Maybe they just didn't want the hostile feeling, which is also rare for railroading outside of the swirling maelstrom of autism that is 4chan.
Off topic, But anyone else watching the restoration of 2716? should be the most powerful Berkshire operational when it's completed
>>1597036How much more can she put out than, say, they Lima twins?
>>1597038Steamlocomotves.com has a great comparison between 765, 2716, and 1225, N-1's and K-4's are close, but 2716 has somewhere around the area of 4,000 lb more of tractive effort
Presuming that they were restored, how would NYC 3001 and PRR 6755 stack up against the other 8-drivered locomotives currently operating or being restored?
>>1596997hey, it's that book the railroad tycoon 3 devs read!
>>1595442based for scoa-p and BB18 1/4 pic
>>1597021 I saw a recent kikebook post asking the T1 trust page admin if they had a place to run a top speed try and they replied with a wink emoji and stated they had secured such a stretch of track to do so. I suppose the future holds our answer.
>>1597197Bruh, if they get Amtrak's clearance, I wanna see them do it in Mansfield, one of the 2 stretches of 150mph track in the USEither there or the Pueblo test facility
Damn, I didn't know it was this big
>>1597236it's probably pueblo, absolutely no chance amtrak lets a steam engine attempt track speed on the NEC
>>1597335Pueblo is a long way from where the loco is supposed to be based. That's one expensive trip to be dead in tow. I agree, Amtrak probably won't let them run, but thee ATSF 2926 group claims Amtrak would let them run from ABQ to Belen and even to Raton(though not the pass I've heard.)
>>1597335I don't think the NEC was ever even considered. It's not exactly the best place to test speed running. The only viable candidate other than Pueblo would have been the flat stretches between Chicago and Pittsburgh where they originally ran. >>1597332Yeah that's why building the boiler was no joke
Mt. Washington cog railway
>>1597442Cog trains are cute!CUTE!
>>1597442Shame they barely seem to give a shit about their Steam locos, and instead use those biodiesel monstrosities. I have seriously never seen anything uglier than pic related.
>>1597442>mfw I'm hiking the App Trail and a car full of autists roll up the mountain
>>1597442The Swiss built the best looking rack locos.
>>1597442>only one remaining MWCR steamer in operation>the other 9 were all mothballed/scrapped because they couldn't afford the upkeep
\>>1597540Welcome to steam
>>1597197>>1597236They could be run between Trenton and New Brunswick. Also I think it would be good PR for Amtrak if they did do it.Just run it on a Wednesday at noon or after 6pm when the Traffc on the NEC is lower
>>1597713also I should add, they said that they fully plan on adding PTC to the T1
And now for something completely different
>>1597937Nice. It's like a steam GG1
When I was there a couple of years ago they were shut down but supposedly will reopen in 2021. They run some kind of Swiss diesels though and no steam.
>>1597944They ran steam occasionally up through the late 90s early 2000s. Apparently withthis new rebuild they underwent, the steam won't be able to uyilize that track whatsoever. F
>>1597953ffs genuinely getting a bit upset at this. what the fuck is the point
>>1597985What was the X on the number board for
>>1598012Meant an Extra section
>>1598198Looks better with a silver smokebox
>>1597937Here's a proper passenger Garratt.Built for Algerian railways, the CFA 231+132BT is the record holder for the fastest articulated locomotive, reaching 82mph on test in France.
>>1598213what a horrendously beautiful thing
>>1598213>passenger Garratt.I see why those never caught on. That looks... whatever the opposite of A E S T H E T I C is...
>>1598345I dunno. It has kind of an ugly charm to it.
>>1598213>>1598224>>1598345>>1598351It would look fine if it had a better nose design
>>1598351similar to >>1595284 imo, i like it
>>1595141The question is, which is more kino. (pre-super heaters or post)
>>1598563I'd say post
>>1598563>>1598566definitely post. Just look at the behemoths that were made due to superheating.
>>1598213as much as I like the idea of a passenger Garratt, anyone with aesthetic sense would definitely prefer NO streamlining to... whatever that is
Replica of the Best Friend of Charleston, first locomotive built in the U.S. in 1830
>>1598639gay as fuck name
>>1598653and what exactly is wrong with that
>>1598654nothing it's just gay as
I have a soft spot for smaller articulateds/mallets.
>>1598666I'd like to see the one in Flagstaff, AZ run again.
>>1598666personally i really like this small garratt built for a uk colliery
I'm fairlie certain that this thread needs more Fairlies
>>1598673Would love that one to be returned to steam, really cool looking loco. Bressingham has some really interesting stuff there, real hidden gem
>>1598563>(pre-super heaters or post)What's the difference externally? Just overall size?
>>1598697Size and power, mostly.Comes down to whether you like your locos petite and perky or big and brutish
>>1598653its best friend not Charleston's Bum Buddy
Is there a video or a site that has clips of many different whistles and which railroad each was from?
Philadelphia and Reading, 1864
>>1598938Why did early locos always have their cylinders at that angle?
>>1598922Seems like it