They took this from you...
>>1578430Never forget, never forgive.
Just because people think they are too good for lignite.
>>1578508Very cool!>>1578440Neat, got any more of those?
>>1578508>Property of Rainier Valley Historical Societyreported
>>1578430>be me>sperged out a bit on local history, know some of the old rail routes and have some books>the feds are digging up Avery yard because of some old leaking oil slurry tank or something...>be out there on a drive and to have some lunch>tfw I stopped in a construction zone because I see the pitiful remains of a spoked track speeder wheel sticking up out of the ravaged earthThey didn't get it all, there's still track from St. Maries.
>>1583627Did you dig the wheel out? I would have. Got a piece of a mining cart used in the construction of the attempted tunneling under Rollins Pass, CO by the Denver, Northwestern and Pacific.
>>1583627>digging up a yard because of some old oilWell, could be worse. There could be 1000 pound bombs under the yard
i miss it every day bros
>>1584885You weren't even alive then
>>1578430Where are They now?
>>1578430It's baffling that the United States had 3000 miles of electrified tracks in the 1930's and that most of them got deelectrified, while other countries kept electrifying hteir networks. What voltage did these locos operate? 2400V DC?
>>1586174I think the Milwaukee was 600V DC, and then others like NYC were 24000V DC. It varied between lines.
>>1586309Why would there be so much variance in the voltages? Why would the system hauling heavier tonnages use less voltage than a subway? Was it simply that the Milwaukee Road system used more amps than the subway?
>>1586395Not sure myself as I'm no EE
Milwaukee RR used 3000V DC.
>>1578430Would the MILW have survived if it had merged with other struggling railroads like the Erie and Lackawanna and Rock Island?
>>1586174>>1586309MILW was at 3kV DC, not sure about the other lines, NYC is at 600-650V DC.>>1586395>Why would there be so much variance in the voltages?Nobody really knew what voltage or AC/DC power was better so they went with existing tech. They didn't have good enough tech to generate and transmit high voltage power like we can now.
>>1587613I don't think so. It would've been Penn Central 2.0
>>1587698Do you think?With MILW, E&L and RI they would have had non-duplicating routes to the Pacific, Gulf, and East Coast. Duplicated routing was a major problem with Penn Central.Do a bit of pruning around the Midwest and you have a carrier that can do fully transcontinental hauls.But as you say, it would need someone with vision and drive along with enough financial backing to make it a success.
>>1587613>>1587698>>1588112A Milwaukee-CNW merger was heavily considered in the 1960s, and had the highest chance of consummation. A UP-MILW merger was also considered before that. MILW's biggest problem was the unprofitable Midwestern branch lines, if the company had just focused its attention on the Seattle-Chicago bridge traffic and cut out the fat elsewhere it would have continued turning a profit through the 1970s and 1980s, especially as container traffic from East Asia continued increasing in volume and importance.
>>1578430>Little Joes>Electrics in generalI just dont like em bros
>>1588180>he doesn't like electrics
>>1588237You're correct, I dont
>>1588180>>1588237>>1588240If there were electric freight locomotives in service today, they'd all look like Dash 9s with a pantograph stuck on the roof
>>1588180I didn't either until I read about the Little Joes and their fan-fucking-tastic capabilities. Those motherfuckers never should have been scrapped. They were the pullingest motherfucking electrics the US ever had.Pardon my cursing but I'm drinking and I'm balls-deep in Milwaukee Road most of the time.
>>1589201Based and MILWpilled, Happy Festivus anon.
>>1578430>They took this from you...So.. If I may.I've been obsessed with Milwaukee Road for the last two years. Since getting into it my model railroading has been so much more enjoyable. Sans weathering, I can make up trains that look just like the shit I see in photos and video from the 1970's. I love doing it, and I love the lore and history of the MILW.And god damn it I am fuming at all times because it's gone. It's gone, and I fucking missed it.It's not even gone for a GOOD reason. Greed, corruption, and complacency killed it. I believe, however insane, that it was killed from the inside by Hill fags. It only lasted until 1984 because of the dedication of its employees on the ground, keeping the whole system going.First of the Speedliners, fastest transcontinental freight from Chicago to Portland (55hr sprint trains!). Fuck you, Great Northern, fuck you Northern Pacific, and a big fuck you to Burlington Northern. Orange and black or fuck off.
>>1589203>Happy Festivus anon.The airing of grievances starts now!
>>1589208I'm glad it's gone. Orange and black is a shitty livery.
>>1589217Probably some disgusting modern era casual fag. Opinion discarded, nerd. Writhe beneath the OG orange & black.
>>1589221Every other western livery was better, even GN's orange/brown was lol
>>1589225>GN's orange/brownNow I know you're some lame duck who drools over GEVO's and SD70ACE shit. I bet you can't get enough ECO in your photos, can you?
>>1589231Seethe moreBN >>>>> MILW
>>1589234>Says Orange & black is stupid>Opts for green & Black insteadFailure of a troll. Jesus christ.
>>1589268What were you saying.
>>1589277>What were you saying.That you're a giant faggot if you don't like Rainbow BN
>>1589281You have to admit that all of those look better than MILW orange and black
Merry Christmas to all the MILWbros!
>>1588164That plus the managers' desire to get out of railroading.They should have accepted GE's offer to renew the electrification system and close the gap. More importantly, they should have realised that deferred maintenance is a false economy.
>>1589811Executives realized MILW was the weakest line among its own competitors and made an exit strategy
>>1589813Executive's job and ethical obligation is to do whatever is necessary and legal to make a company succeed.
>>1589818What is 'naive' about such a thing? It is literally the purpose of the job.
>>1589819You wouldn't get it, anon
>>1589813>Not working on strategies to get competitive Well they were shit execs
>>1589861>Well they were shit execsHow?
>>1586174I know, its a shame. There use to be a bunch of commuter lines around me that where all electrified and now they're gone.
>>1592187Which city? Were they interurbans or electrified mainlines?
>>1592964Mainline Commuters. This picture is of the Vineland secondary in New Jersey. It was Electrified from Camden to Millville.The one that was more famous was the Philly to Atlantic City Mainline, which was also eletrified.
>>1593887Why the fuck was it ripped down, and what can we do to restore it?
>>1594127Also, if it gets restored, will it run with SEPTA Silverliners on NJT's behalf, like they do with Metro-North's Pascack Valley and Port Jervis Lines?
Me on the right.