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Based Single Family Edition
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I wish more people used public transit and fewer drove cars for every single daily function. Then, on the odd occasion I actually wanted to drive a car, it would be possible to. As of now driving is TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE HELL so I never bother. If more people took public transit, driving would be more enjoyable and not torture and endless horror. People are shit.
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>>1567710
>I wish less people drove
>t. every motorist ever
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monorail is best rail
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Phoenix is growing fast as fuck right now so people are just trying to build up downtown cause we can’t spread out any further.
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Want to continue the discussion of prefab housing. It was pioneered in Scandinavia and it reduces build time and cost.
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>>1567719
>Phoenix
>can’t spread out any further.
doubt
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>>1567715
All the fixed cost of a subway, but with none of the efficiency
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>>1567723
Love it. We've been trying to implement prefab at our firm as much as possible to increase profits.
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>>1567744
Based developer co-opting naive /n/imbys into supporting their quest for more money
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>>1567744
>>1567750
Based samefag forcing this meme a million times
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Not sure why people are obsessed with dystopic asiatic cities, when the greatest urban plan of all times was executed in the 19th century by based hausmann.
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>>1567715
it's so fucking useless but looks so good. i wish it wasn't just a tourist amusement ride and could actually be integrated into something useful.
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>>1567755
It's weird that it was built with a curve that prohibits two trains from passing and, eventually, that was found out the hard way

>>1567752
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST NOT SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS
pic related
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>>1567723
Just starting to try it in the Twin Cities. The prefab chunks are built in the exurbs with cheap unskilled rural labor and moved to the thriving cities.
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>>1567715
just build light rail
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>>1567766
>that was found out the hard way
kek, story?
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>>1567782
I was thinking of the one from 2005 when two trains sideswiped each other but apparently there were other mishaps as well:
>http://stalkingseattle.blogspot.com/2012/09/monorail-mishaps.html
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>>1567754
Agreed (mostly). Midrise mixed-use is awesome, I thought Hausmann made some of the streets too wide though.
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what is the best airport design?
>single terminal
>multi terminal
>each airline has their own terminal
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>>1567794
Single just seems too limiting for any sizeable airport (but fine for smaller ones), multi terminal is a practical reality for larger airports. I don't care if multiple airlines share the same terminal or not, I would rather have quick access to other terminals and a simple layout like Atlanta's than riding a bus to get to another gate, or a terminal that has a strange or arcane layout
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>>1567794
>each airline has their own terminal
No, each alliance has their own terminal
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>>1567796
>JFK but bigger
pls no
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>>1567723
I like it because it's sturdier than stick-frame shit.
I also like cross-laminated timber.
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Finally a building with a little style getting built in LA.
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>>1567784
pleasedontremindmeofthis
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>>1567915
Lmao, building this right now is so stupid as LA is about to go the way of detroit
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>>1568131
I’m sure that’s what everyone in your bubble believes. Construction of urban infill hasn’t slowed at all during the pandemic, in all American cities.
For example Austin TX still has loads of apartments getting built and they’re about to build a light rail expansion.
https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/abj-more-apartments-are-being-built-in-austin-metro-than-most-anywhere-else-in-the-u-s-report-says/
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>>1567915
that looks like if you gave a project slum from the 30s to a brutalist architect for a remodel.
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>>1568151
That isn't brutalist though.
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>>1568154
you are correct. its an abomination.
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>>1568151
And it still manages to look better than a McMansion or a strip mall. I’ll take it!
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>>1568154
He obviously doesn’t know anything about architecture. Just talking out his ass.
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>>1568165
>And it still manages to look better than a McMansion or a strip mall

It's stucco and it will look gaudy and cheap once completed
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Any Atlantafags on? I'm always amazed at how much ATL grows and how much gets built there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/10/23/westside-story-next-chapter.html
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Are cities going to start building charging stations for EVs?
There’s a fuckton of electric vehicles hitting the market in 2021.
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>>1568191
>Boo hoo muh urban poors who have done absolutely fuck all to improve their own slums generation after generation
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>>1568165
it looks exactly like those gaudy mcmansions though.
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>>1568227
Looks different and has a way better design. It has symmetry, matching windows, and a non-ridiculous roof for starters.
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>>1568196
I agree. That neighborhood’s traditionally been neglected and now that someone’s investing in it the residents are acting like it’s the worst thing that could ever happen to them.
The project even includes a lot of public space.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/news-culture-articles/biggest-development-bet-on-english-avenue-in-ages-echo-street-west-is-officially-moving-forward/
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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-of-vancouver-metro-core-mobility-pricing-tolls-proposal?fbclid=IwAR22akQ_J4uDYmrsqWFA9WFHdEjhUZ8IK9ISAwyQ_06dR9exjrqhB4pC1cU

>dailyhive
Man it's almost a good idea-if they eliminate pay parking within the zone I'm for it. Although I live in Langley so it won't really effect me much anyways
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>>1567715
fuckin useless gadget gizmo, just build a normal train cunts
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>>1568145
Yeah, everyone in my bubble of LA agrees lol. That's why so many people are leaving, mostly rich people, who constitute a big chunk of the tax base. I mean one of the reasons local governments want to build build build to the chagrin of landowners in the town already is to replace the older, wealthy people that are leaving cities with young professionals to mantain the tax revenue.
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>>1568246
It literally looks exactly the same lol. Also why are you so happy to see an apartment building getting built for other people to live there? literal cuck mindset.
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Are cars really this bad?
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>>1568452
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American Tech investors are building a car-free neighborhood in Phoenix.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/business/culdesac-tempe-phoenix-sprawl.html
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Cars, public transit, walkable /bikable urbanism can coexist if cyclists stop being douchbags who think the rules dont apply to them

They also need good sanitation services and law enforcement
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>>1568452
>>1568453
based and truthpilled
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>>1568555
>if motorists stop being douchbags who think the rules dont apply to them
ftfy
bikes pose no threat to cars.
the opposite is not true.
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>>1568555
Cars, public transit, walkable /bikable urbanism can coexist if cagers stop murdering people
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>>1568193
Slowly but surely. My apartment building has charging stations in the parking deck too. Also reserved spots closer to the door for EVs.
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Seems like some developers are just knocking down most of the local mall and building some apartments/condos.

I'm not sure why they want to knock anything down when there's a huge parking lot they could build in.
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>>1569261
Because portions of the mall weren't ever going to be viable again and they'd end up being demo'd anyway
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>>1567915
Hate to be picky when it comes to non-glass boxes but this is not great tbqhwyf
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>>1569261
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/business/senior-housing-retail-redevelopment.html

COVID accelerating the death of the mall

>There is little denying that a vast amount of retail space is emptying during the coronavirus pandemic — 25,000 stores may close by the end of this year — all while the over-65 population is increasing by about 10,000 a day. So even though arena-like malls and strip shopping centers might never see another Sears, J.C. Penney or Lord & Taylor store, some are being transformed into something more interesting: comprehensive upscale retirement complexes.

>Retail closings across the country have led to 400 proposals for retrofits, with some 315 projects completed or in progress. Notable examples include the Ridge House Apartments in Wheat Ridge, Colo.; the PathStone Skyview Park Apartments in Irondequoit, N.Y. (occupying an old Sears site); and Aljoya Thornton Place, on the former parking lot of the Northgate Mall in Seattle, which was one of the nation’s first regional shopping malls and is still in business
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>>1568452
>>1568453
Sauce?
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>>1569368
I agree malls have been dying for years. But I’m not sure they don’t put the residential stuff in the parking lot instead of knocking down part of the mall structure. Sounds more expensive and time consuming
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cobblestone streets in low-traffic/pedestrian areas
what do you think?
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>>1569516
Based and cozy. But don’t overdo it cause you can’t cycle on them
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>>1569516
Walking on cobblestone is a pain. No.
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>>1569516
Ironically less of a problem for cars than any other form of transport
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>>1568193
I assume that charging stations will get added to gas stations over time.
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multi-family housing is evil
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>>1569516
Cobblestone for the road itself, nice smooth surface for pedestrians and bicyclists.
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>>1569545
>gas stations
To attract charging use away from other businesses, they will need to upgrade their amenities to be comparable to a cafe or at least any basic rest area. A standard convenience store won't cut it. More need to add some tables and seating, even if they don't make good coffee.
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I am getting some serious jogger fatigue, why is streetsblog so full of insufferable leftist faggots?
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>>1569590
Because they’re idiots. Literally all of black peoples problems would be solved if they just stopped breaking the laws so much. They’re in place for a reason.
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>>1569513
>But I’m not sure they don’t put the residential stuff in the parking lot instead
Because portions of the mall weren't ever going to be viable again and they'd end up being demo'd anyway
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What do you consider some failed and successful examples of adapting a former airport?
pictured Kraków-Rakowice-Czyżyny
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>>1569673
In the US, a bunch of former military airfields have become industrial parks
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>>1569433
https://www.anthonymludovici.com/jungle.htm
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Why is the BRT from LA to Pasadena considered “controversial”?

https://www.planetizen.com/news/2020/11/111102-controversial-bus-rapid-transit-connection-between-la-and-pasadena-moves-forward
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>>1568453
>the thrill of speed
>the feeling of power

god damn cars are based
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>>1570224
oh and almost forgot
>sense of superiority
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If you're a Republican, you can thank zoning laws for giving Biden the election.

California's housing shortage, caused by retarded zoning laws, cause millions of lower-income californians to head to Arizona (their 2nd-most popular destination, after Texas).
Thanks to the zoning laws, the migration turned Arizona blue and gave Biden just enough votes to secure a victory.
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>>1570281
Lol oh ok dude
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Nuclear family is a scam invented to sell more houses
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>>1569673
Interesting. Can you give me some backstory and info on this?
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>>1570325
https://docplayer.pl/114883297-Architektoniczny-portret-miasta-drugiej-polowy-xx-wieku.html
page 154
It's in Polish though. But I don't think there's much of anything on the matter in English and machine translation will do fine.
The whole doc is a worthwhile read
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>>1570310
>Dying alone and forgotten is based
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>>1570351
another retard that actually thinks nuclear family is ancient and traditional and not a modern trend and expression of individualism
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>>1570351
You can have friends and relatives that don't live with you
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>>1570353
>>1570360
Wanna know how I know you have 2 dads?
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>>1570281
I don't want my area densified fuckoff we have enough traffic
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>>1568452
Cars are based. We respect human life too much and I think that's a large part of our problem. People living in a society that didn't bend itself over to save every life possible, no matter how worthless, would be a lot happier.
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>>1570281
Biden won't need Arizona to win the election, zoning laws didn't hand it to him.
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>>1570353
Another sophomore that took a sociology class and thinks he can dunk on people with this cliche.

Sorry, but you can't speak so universally about family formation especially when you don't know any history that doesn't pertain to your ideology. Nuclear families have a long history in parts of Northwest Europe and Especially regions concerning U.S. colonization. The basic family unit of East Anglian puritans that came to New England was nuclear based, and was that way since the Mayflower.

That being said, Americans should learn to adopt the extended household from other people for their own benefit as current one is not working out for them.
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>>1567770
>light rail
Elevated rail. Essentially the same infrastructure as monorail *but more noise).
Subway. Massive tunneling costs.
At-grade rail. Kills homeless people.
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>>1570551
I like the idea of at-grade rail.
It kills cagers too.
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>>1570572
I too love Houston's Greatest Hits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2rdGX4JYc
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>>1570624
Number of cagers killed: 0 (zero)
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>>1570396
that's true. we'd all be happier without your worthless life dragging us down.
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How does my train line in Cities Skylines look? I'm mostly using elevated rail with a couple zones where it touches the ground. I also have a tram, light rail, and monorail system if you wanna see them. My bus system isn't done yet.
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>>1570281
Certainly nothing to do with the fact that Arizona is 30% Mexicans and 60% snowbird Minnesotans
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>>1570736
It hasn’t voted Democratic in several elections.
But the other major reason is the AZ Republicans never liked Trump much to begin with; John McCain and Jeff Flake are from there.
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>>1570734
that depends, where are your racial minorities clustered? I assume the oceanfront is white up until the rail line, after that you might want a build a few freeways trough the eastern portion to contain the black hoods.
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>>1570756
I imagine the racial makeup to look more like this
>Purple is black
Don't let the lack of space fool you they're the majority of the population. They live in higher density houses, mostly around the crap infrastructure, factories, and so on
>Brown is Hispanic
I gave them most of the industrial zones, they came here to take the jobs. There are some regions where they are a buffer between blacks and whites.
>Pink is white
Also don't be fooled, they only make up 1/3rd of the population. They just tend to live in lower densities and frankly much of that will be parks and shit. There's some sub-separation based on what kind of white you are. Italian, Russian, Irish, Polish, etc all have their own enclaves.
>Orange is Asian
Mostly in Chinatown with the harbor being mostly Asian due to recent immigration. I imagine the city having a sizable Cambodian population from Pol Pot refugees, mostly in the harbor neighborhood.
>Yellow is just general rich people
It's mostly white, and heavily Jewish, but if you notice it's in the downtown. Most of that is offices and the few apartments there are basically glorified hotel rooms. A lot of "residents" (most of whom only spend a few months a year in the city) are landed gentries, businessmen, black celebrities; or foreign investors usually from Asia, the middle east, and Russia.
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>>1567754
Haussmann in Paris, Hobrecht in Berlin and Cerdà in Barcelona were the peak of urbanism
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>>1570281
California would never vote trump anyway
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>>1567710
This
>>1567713
I wonder what makes every motorist feel like they have better reason to drive than everyone else.
>Stuck in traffic again, where are all those people going?
You are not stuck in traffic, you ARE the traffic
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>>1570756
what in the fuck
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>>1567754
absolutely soulless
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>>1570782
>>1567713
except he says
>on the odd occasion I actually wanted to drive a car

>fewer drove cars for every single daily function
>for every single daily function
major point that you ommited for some reason
epic reading comprehension you two
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Sort of want.
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>>1570761
based autism. that's a LOT of blacks, I'm guessing it's a midwestern city? The hispanics make sense, they usually displace blacks first and foremost and settle along light industrial areas at the periphery of whites. Blacks should really be confined to either north or south, and usually in centrally located urban hellholes. Makes more sense for the black hoods to be concentrated by the T-junctions LA style rather than out in the periphery, where whites tend to reappear.
I recommend having some sort of rail triangle via a connecting line, great place to stuff in a black hood isolated from all three sides.

>>1570800
yes?
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>>1571035
Yeah I'm basing it around a mix of Chicago and Milwaukee. I have a monorail people over system along that white neighborhood in the north by the lake. That's a bit of a border but honestly I imagine they're so surrounded by the hood because they're "ethnic whites" (I'm thinking Greek or Turkish)
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>>1570890
isolated yet still cramped
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>>1567682
What's your opinion on commie blocks and socialist city planing?
Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNNDC1pIFVE Probably up to 70-80% of all buildings shown in this clip were build during communist era. Plenty of people say they look hideous but I kind like them.
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>>1570890
NPC container.
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>>1568452
>>1568453
Source? Searching "Back to the Jungle" doesn't give me any relevant results.
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>>1571046
They were built after WWII because they served two purposes
1) The prefab factories and contraction were a shit load of jobs. Seriously, nothing makes you feel more like a man than a hard day at the sight or factory.
2) This was almost immediately after WWII, and if you notice the Eastern Front was really violent for a very large chunk of area. Since basically entire nation states were destroyed. So the prefab houses were quick, houses a load of people. Also this meant when the Soviets moved ethnicities into their new "homelands" (eg all the Germans to the DDR and all the Poles to the new Poland) ethnicities with rather large diasporas had their own places once they were transported
3) Since they were uniform and easy to build this also meant the Soviets can move people into areas they wanted. Because technology in the 50's meant only ~10% of people actually need to be on the farms Russia decided to colonize Siberia and move nomads in Asia into more central cities to keep the production chain in tact.
Honestly if you take the history into account it does make it feel nice. Sadly these apartments are now ran by oligarchs and slumlords (like there's a difference) so they're all going to shit. As a result a market for new not-shitty houses is being propped up, and well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6C46cqwS8E&ab_channel=Baklykov.Live%2FRealRussia
I think commieblocks work in ex-commie countries BECAUSE of the history, that's why I don't necessarily support them here. I think we need Americablocks though. Texas is going the path of California, remember Cali was also a frontier red-state in the day (Regan and Nixon came from there after all) and once Florida and Texas' economies are more dependent on educated workers it'll all spiral from there. In the meantime we need a place to house all the people moving there.
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>>1571065
concrete prefab in poland only started being used in mid 50s and was at its height in the 70s lol
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>>1571069
Poland is also stupid a d gay. Went there once, the town's roads were largely unpacked and on my beer run a dude with MLP tattoos called followed me and tried to convert me to Catholicism
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>>1571070
Unpaved* sorry I'm on my phone while I shit.
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>>1571050
>>1569678
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This is taix, a historic LA restaurant turned nightlife destination. Unfortunately, the owners decided to cash out and turn it into...
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>>1571116
...this. I can’t wait until every building in LA looks like this!
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This is amoeba records, iconic, known all around the world.
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>>1571120
Developers bought it, and they are going to bulldoze it in order to build this.
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>>1571065
>they're all going to shit
They were 100% shit to begin with
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>All these baseball diamonds
Look, I like baseball myself but why so god damn many? This is in Chicago but only because it and Philly are the worst for this.
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>>1571310
They could build multifamily housing on all of them!
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>>1571310
My home city, Cincinnati (at least a suburb thereof) for comparison. At least Chicago and Philly have the excuse of having massive populations but Cincinnati barely has 300,000. We have the only MLB team in Ohio so I guess that's a factor. Wouldn't even be so bad if not for most of them sucking as baseball fields. Who are meant to play on some of these, fucking toddlers? I get kids play baseball a lot more than adults but still.
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>>1571312
>We have the only MLB team in Ohio
Oh really?
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>>1571317
The Indians aren't a baseball team they're a 40 man compilation of fail and a sad sad legacy
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>>1571310
>>1571312
The sad thing is that were I live, in south Florida, you aren't even allowed to play on public baseball fields without a reservation. I'll probably never learn how to play, because of this.
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>>1571334
>I'll probably never learn how to play, because of this.
Lmao dude if that's what's stopping you, it's obvious you had zero interest in the first place. Don't be histrionic about it
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>>1571334
How far south? I looked in Palm Beach and found this mofo. Would make sense though considering the Hispanic population, I went to Venezuela in 2014 and they seemed to like it a lot there.
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>>1571310
people actually wanting to use parks and public land for something they enjoy? preposterous!
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>>1571310
Honestly. If every single one of those were converted into mid-rise mixed-use apartments there probably wouldn’t be a single homeless person in the city.
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>>1569516
Cars don't give a fuck but my wrists and ass do.
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>>1569673
Best park in Europe
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>>1571360
Hispanic people live in Miami-Dade county: those nine are likely for elementary schooler summer programs.
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>>1570375
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>>1571048
your moms an NPC container
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https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/09/24/philadelphia-new-york-city-move-residents-study/

People leaving NYC is Philly’s gain. This was a trend even before the shutdown because New York has gotten so expensive.
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>>1571607
> Durst Organization won a $2.2 billion bid this month to build new parks, restaurants and homes there.

Damn based Durst taking the W
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As we keep improving our city centers, will these kind of neighborhoods turn into ghettos?

I mean the single-family ghettos of today used to be neighborhoods about this price segment.
The difference is these neighborhoods don't have the advantage of convenience or short commutes.
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>>1571629
Some will, many will not
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>>1568387
you dont live in LA
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>>1571631
I live in Jefferson park and I fucking hate it.
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>>1567915
It looks like a Restoration Hardware.
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Which mid level development does /n/ prefer?
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>>1571116
>built in 1964
Yeah, not a big loss. Just be happy buildings with good fundamentals are being built in it's place. 4-8 stories are the goldilocks zone of human scale, walkable living
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>>1571694
Both, depending on demand for ownership and renting.
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>>1571694
Terraceds on the outskirts, Apartments downtown. Preferably low-income apartments in shopping districts so retail workers can live close.
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>>1571310
>>1571312
At least those are individually speckled across the city and don't jam like eight or ten diamonds in one sports center with 30 miles distance to the next one so it's impossible to reach for most people without a car.
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>>1571694
Good cities will have both in significant quantities
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>>1571334
Why are Americans cities so fucking uptight. Rules like this don't exist even in Canada. Cops even ignore public drinking laws. You guys even have fucking curfews where millions of teenagers get arrested. Freedom, my ass
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/28/curfew-laws-san-diego
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>>1571707
>/n/ - transportation and city ordinances
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>>1571118
>>1571120
>reeeee this ugly building is being replaced by an ugly building
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>>1571607
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a more permanent trend, especially with Amtrak trying to improve NEC and Acela service. One hour commute from Philly to Midtown Manhattan is a draw.
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>>1571707
Based fellow Canuck. Did you enjoy the weather this past weekend by getting shitcanned in a park?
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>>1571707
You'd be surprised how many rules you can break when you mind your own business and are above a certain melanin threshold. I spent my weekend getting drunk off wine in the park, admiring the fall colors and smoking a cigar (Cincinnati).
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>>1571850
Yeah on the one hand I think it’s stupid how much development they block in NYC, especially given their massive budget shortfall.
On the other hand I’m glad to see Philly getting some new life
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>>1571706
We have a winner
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>>1567754
i would change the color on those to black white or grey
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The governor of Wyoming is saying the state might have to start abandoning their small towns because there’s no money to maintain their sewers and streets. It’s either that or significantly raise taxes.

https://trib.com/opinion/columns/martin-wyoming-needs-to-bite-the-bullet/article_3e223484-e5b3-598c-94f6-445921f6f55b.html
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>>1572040
Wyoming is fucking beautiful though, we should really double town on tourism in the US. Colorado just mandated paid time off by law I think the entire country should do that, give people time to travel and experience the place. I know Wyoming is getting into Coal, as a West Virginian they should really try to invest that money into long-term development projects. IN WV all that money just went to companies and they fucked off, when the coal runs dry everything collapses just don't want more people falling for the carbonized Jew.
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>>1571700
It’s pure delusion to even use the word “human” in the same sentence as that building. It’s literally a stacked chicken coop, for chicken brained humans being farmed for their income.
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>>1572040
Just get rid of police, it's not like crime is a problem there, and they're all sufficiently armed.
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>>1572067
This. And if crime does somehow increase you get to own the libs. It's a win win
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>>1569673
Built a sports stadium and some bigbox stores on part of old Renschler Field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rentschler_Field
The rest of the field is used for parking and tailgating for events, not that the whole thing gets used.
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>>1571694
is bottom right in Berkeley CA? those numale apartments are popping up everywhere.
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>>1572049
The whole reason the small Wyoming towns are collapsing is because the coal industry is collapsing. Renewables provide cheaper energy without subsidy.
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>>1572450
So why haven’t they overtaken coal if they’re better in every way?
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>>1572453
Because in truth the only renewable energy that's worth shit is hydro and geothermal.
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>>1572453
>>1572461
You kids might want to try a 5-second google before posting to make yourselves look less retarded.

Renewables overtook coal earlier this year.
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>>1572450
>>1572453
>>1572461
>>1572501
Reminder that renewables have been subsidized more than coal for over a decade, hence why they're """"cheaper""""
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>>1572511
Oof. Don’t look into solyndra either, the CAHSR of energy.
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>>1572511
>moving the goalposts this fast
>not knowing that renewables are cheaper than coal even without subsidy

Oof.
No one's gonna miss coal except for a few lobbyists.
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>>1572524
>CAHSR
rent free.
Also the DOE eventually made money on that loan program, despite the Solyndra default.
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>>1572526
>No rebuttal
pottery
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>>1567785
Haussmann did it so revolutionaries wouldn't effectively block them in case of an uprising
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>>1572453
Oh lol. He doesn't know.
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>>1572537
I wonder if that correlates with the greater subsidization of renewables in relation to coal during the same time period
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>>1572535
No, it was about being able to love the military through the streets in case of foreign invasion.
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>>1572034
and cover up the beautiful parisian limestone? shame on you.
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>>1572561
no


https://www.napoleon.org/enseignants/documents/le-paris-dhaussmann-la-transformation-dune-ville/

it was literally made to cut in the dense and and narrow streets so revolutionaries couldn't properly erect barricades
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Why is adding a fuckton of housing to corridors with fuckton of traffic becoming so common? Busses are plenty but will never be good enough on the two lane boulevard I'm in
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>>1572542
Of course. That is the point of subsidisation.
>Govt. subsidises new, viable, but expensive tech
>private companies can perform R&D without losing money
>technology becomes cheaper
>govt. stops subsidisation
This pattern can be seen in developed and developing countries all over the world.
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>>1572614
>govt. stops subsidisation
Lol no, there will always be "new tech" to subsidize. It never ends, that's why until recently coal was still getting lots of gibs
>This pattern can be seen in developed and developing countries all over the world.
So?
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>>1572618
>>govt. stops subsidisation
subsidisation of the first tech, not whatever new things shows up.
>So?
So I was pointing out how the world works and backing it up with promise of examples should you continue seething.
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>>1572591
Tax revenue
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>>1572636
>subsidisation of the first tech, not whatever new things shows up.
The record is there: even decades after it was adopted for power generation, coal received and still receives subsidies

>So I was pointing out how the world works
Not an argument
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Hmm. It seems like with more methane regulations we could kneecap the natural gas industry and renewables would overtake them as well.
To be clear: renewables would overtake natural gas eventually in basically any market scenario. But Trump’s EPA is staffed by literal fossil fuel lobbyists trying to expand natural gas as much as possible.
In a world without any energy subsidies (which I prefer), renewables would still be cheaper than coal though.
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>>1572591
Convenient real estate is desirable and commands a higher value. When land commands a higher market value, developers build on it.
Location, location, location.
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>>1572712
>To be clear: renewables would overtake natural gas eventually in basically any market scenario.
Of course they would, since they are heavily subsidized

>renewables would still be cheaper than coal though
Source?
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>>1572858
You’ve been shown the sources a thousand times already.
Interestingly you never provide sources to refute them.
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>>1572934
This is from Columbia University's Earth Institute
>>1572511
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>>1572939
And it doesn’t refute the fact that renewables are cheaper than coal without subsidy.
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>>1572940
They're not though
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>>1571310
Because people like playing baseball
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>>1571310
This, desu >>1572962
I've got two baseball diamonds right down the block from my apartment and before Covid I'd walk past it on my way to work and seeing the kids playing ball would give me such a nostalgia hit every time. Baseball's great for kids.
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5-story apartment building replacing an auto shop in Hollywood. Looks good desu.
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>>1573045
It looks like shit even in the rendering

Why do you feign enthusiasm about these buildings?
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>>1573055
Other than the roof it looks alright tbqh
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>>1573055
If you keep schizoposting, any day now the multifamily development industry will collapse.
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>>1573064
Agreed. Looks 100x better than the lot it's replacing.
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>>1573069
It's a serious question. It would be one thing if you just posted crummy residential buildings, but you seem to be a cheerleader for the developers. So, why do it? What's your motivation?

>>1573070
>Looks 100x better
Looking better than the shitheap that was already there doesn't mean it looks good
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>>1573045
Always glad to see something with classical styling going up.
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>>1573117
>Always glad
Are you really though?
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>>1573045
cringe. american architects should stay in their lane.
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>>1573124
Absolutely.
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We’ll see if New York shoots themselves in the foot again by blocking another megaproject because of “gentrification concerns”.
This time the Chinese and Koreans are insisting nobody except for Chinese and Koreans should be allowed to move into their neighborhood.
https://www.curbed.com/2020/11/nyc-queens-flushing-affordable-housing-luxury-development.html
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This is a good development. City of Tampa upgrading city-owned land into mixed use.

https://www.planetizen.com/news/2020/11/111199-vacant-catalytic-tampa-upgrade-city-owned-property
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>>1573149
>This is a good development
Why?
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>>1573045
Honestly looks a lot better than the cookie cutter apartment developments going up across the US that look like pic related
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>>1573198
>>1573045
Honestly, this is the kind of house I would think of if I had to imagine a California-specific architecture style. Good on this one, the exterior looks cheap but that's a problem with literally every non-brick/stone house in the world.
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>>1568145
My parents live in suburbs outside of LA and their house value has increased by 50% compared to January.
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>>1573198
Agreed. The designers were clearly paying homage to the Haussmann style.
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design me a city that uses only walking and monorails for transportation
nothing else
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>>1573229
Cool story bro.
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>>1573045
>>1573198
Honestly I prefer the Atlanta one, because it's honest. It is what it is, and it knows what it is.
The Hollywood one is gaudy in an incredibly fake and soulless way, especially since it doesn't even look good. It's possible to do gaudy right but it's incredibly difficult, and that Hollywood rendering isn't even close. It's ugly. I don't even know to say if it's an inept imitation of something, because if it were imitating something good it'd probably be better.

Polite sage for not being a post about transportation.
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What do you sirs think of commieblocks vs slum towns regarding the best choice for humanity and the future of deep ecology?
I know many important thinkers say slums are the future
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>>1573304
Take your meds.
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>>1573358
The future is the two merging. Blade runner 2049 depicted this really well, with a huge high rise tower where the common areas are basically a favela market.
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>>1573198
What is the point of the double sidewalk with a weird grass median in between?
They could have built a bike lane there or something useful.
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>>1573390
There's already bike lanes there
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>>1573390
One is the public sidewalk, the other is space for the building tenets to walk and sit.
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>>1573396
There doesn’t need to be any distinction. The street’s nicer when used are integrated.
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>>1573390
So the homeless can’t block the entire sidewalk
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>>1573398
Same thing
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>>1573358
Imagine living on Earth in the future.
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>>1573304
/UPG/ is an acceptable thread on /n/ and /n/'s scope should expand to include issues like housing and planning anyway.
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>>1573394
>There's already bike lanes
Yeah, 1 foot wide ones, which are dangerous and pointless.
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>>1573528
They're clearly adequately sized and in the street where bicyclists want to ride anyway. Too bad if they don't like it
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Why are suburban developers so retarded?
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>>1574027
Sorry you're too poor to live in a nice quiet neighborhood
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>>1574027
Nothing wrong with it
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>>1567754
About one or two levels too tall, or alternatively would need a setback at some point. Street already looks too dark and canyon-like. More trees also always help.
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>>1574027
Having your own pool is so awesome.
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>>1570890
Looks like the Dutch version of Floridian canal suburbs.
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>>1574033
>nice quiet neighborhood
how is that nice or quiet? you get like 2 square feet of backyard and surrounded by neighbors on every side
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>>1573358
commieblocks are actually comfy, change my mind.
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>>1574055
stop noticing things!
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>>1574055
You're not around screaming police sirens
Little through traffic by design
Generally covenants/HOA rules prevent people from doing annoying loud shit

>surrounded by neighbors on every side
kek you say this as a proud renter with neighbors on all sides of you AND above and below you
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>>1574059
>>surrounded by neighbors on every side
>kek you say this as a proud renter with neighbors on all sides of you AND above and below you
epic strawman
you realize that single family housing exists outside of american cul de sac bullshit planned neighborhoods
right??
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>>1574062
Cope. For most city dwellers, having neighbors surround you with common walls and having them above/below you is reality
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>>1574064
why reply to a post if you didn't read it or refer to it in any way?
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>>1574066
Keep seething
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>>1574068
>criticize your burger cutter suburbs for being too dense
>that's must mean I love multi-family housing
what the fuck is that logic???
take your meds schizo
you're the one bringing multi family housing at all into conversation, fucking hell
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how big and what should have midrise apartment to compete with suburb houses, so even living with family there would be viable?
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>>1574078
>bring up housing in urban areas
>wtf how can you bring up multi-family housing????
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>>1574083
good schools nearby
low crime area
concrete construction w/ sound deadening common walls
comparable price per square foot
enough parking for 2 cars per unit
reasonably sized balconies
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>>1570551
>Subway. Massive tunneling costs.
Being this bad at engineering, what a fucking shame.
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>>1574083
Be at least 1500 sq ft at a reasonable price
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>>1574027
That’s the exact worst kind of neighborhood to live in.
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>>1574194
You couldn’t afford to live there anyways.
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>>1574083
It would have to have lots of fun amenities to make up for things like not having a private garage, not having any private outdoor space, and having shared walls. These amenities are usually a shared office space, public pool, and common roof deck.
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>>1574105
Tunnels aren't cheap anywhere
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>>1574027
>retarded
Cars can't drive easily from Las Brisas Dr to Dry Creek Rd but pedestrians can easily walk between the two, seems like good design to me.
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>>1574088
>2 cars per unit
No
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>>1567723
Wasn't housing in general more affordable in the past? In spite of prefab construction and general improvements of industrial technology and the availability of resources, housing costs have only skyrocketed in many places
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>>1574446
Housing in the past didn’t come with dishwashers and washing machines and air conditioning.
New housing was usually for wealthier people throughout history though, and aging was the main process by which housing became more affordable.
Recently Trump’s tariffs on lumber, aluminum and steel have pushed construction costs into the absurd.

Prefab in general can bring costs down.
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>>1574470
AC in particular is a very american thing, and the latter are often not included where I live, it depends and even then that would add thousands, not tonnes to the price. I'm in Europe and prices on houses have doubled to tripled in cost in the cities in spite of technological improvement and prefab construction.
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>>1574198
That’s some serious projecting.
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>>1568388
Repeat that when the next forest fire engulfs or when your house takes off during Tornado season or when the Hurricane decides to shove a cow out of nowhere on your tiny dick.

Apartments are based, no matter how many regulations you're faced with or disputes you face with your neighbor you juat cope with it and move on with life. Only autists can't cope in urban areas because lack of social skills and too lazy to change their physical lifestyle to reach all potential to transform themselves into a chad go-getter.
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>>1574856
100% unadulterated projection
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>>1567715
I've been looking at Salt Lake City and I never really noticed just how thin it was. Honestly, a monorail can work there.
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>>1574200
>>1574083
How about each apartment bu8ilding has a yard but it's segmented so each apartment's tenants can only use it? That way they can have dogs, barbeques, and shit if they want.
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Why are evergreen needle-leaved trees so rarely planted in cities, why do we mostly see the flat-leaved ones?
This is something I never understood
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>>1572377
>is bottom right in Berkeley CA
more like every major metro area across the country.
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>>1574084
>bring up housing in urban areas
only you did this though. op was talking about suburbs
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>>1574039
>know tons of people who have pools
>almost none of them get used
never understood why people waste the money desu.
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>>1574940
Interesting. You could even improve on this idea by giving each apartment its own private little yard, and you could actually have it wrap around the apartment in full which would also get rid of the shared wall problem.
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>>1574566
I can’t afford to live there either anon, I have to live in a shitty apartment.
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>>1574967
So you are projecting.
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>>1574953
Read the reply chain dumbass

>>1574954
They aren't cheap to maintain but they increase the home's value if you want to sell it and they're just nice as hell to have even if you don't use it that much
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>>1574984
Yes that’s what I said. I don’t make enough money to live in a house, so I’m forced to live in an apartment. I wish I could live in a house though.
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>>1575014
It’s common knowledge that pools don’t add to your home’s value.

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0910/6-things-you-think-add-value-to-your-home---but-really-dont.aspx
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LA City Councik tried to block a 577-unit project because of stupid “anti gentrification” retardation, then a judge nullified their veto.
Nimbys literally blown the fuck out.


>"A Superior Court judge has ordered the city of Los Angeles to give the go-ahead to a 577-unit residential complex planned in South L.A., saying its previous decision to reject the six-story project violated state housing law," reports David Zahniser.

>The development is one of the most controversial and closely scrutinized projects in the city. In September, the controversy surrounding the project inspired the city councilmember representing the area to propose a new "anti-displacement zone" policy. The South Los Angeles Area Planning Commission rejected the proposal at the end of 2019, leading to a lawsuit filed by the developer in February 2020.

>"Superior Court Judge James C. Chalfant offered a scathing assessment of [the area planning commission's] decision, saying the panel 'clearly acted in bad faith,'" reports Zahniser.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-11-13/district-square-ruling-los-angeles
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>>1574376
>pedestrians can easily walk between the two
I've seen plenty of suburb developments that "look like" they would connect, but there's a fence. There's a bunch of these up in Columbus.

>>1574939
It really is provocative--take away one lane of traffic, and add two floating trains? Hell yeah.
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>>1575048
Oh, if it's the case that there's a fence then yeah that's pretty retarded. Nothing some chain cutters can't fix, but still.
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>>1575041
Wow, a bunch of people getting displaced and are now going to have to join the ranks of homeless, but that doesn’t matter because nimbys btfo!!!
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>>1575041
> Arman Gabay, one of the project’s original developers, had been charged in an unrelated federal bribery case.

Why are developers so based bros
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>>1575034
>It’s common knowledge that pools don’t add to your home’s value.
You're incorrect, and that article doesn't say much other than they're expensive to install (not a buyer's problem) and they can be pricey to maintain (which a buyer would know). But they do add value.
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>>1575041
Ha FUCK NIMBYS!!!!!!!!!! Hooray for the development companies and landlords!!
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>>1575054
>Nothing some chain cutters can't fix
Like you'd ever have the balls to leave your parents' home and do that
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>>1575055
>>1575056
>>1575060
No one’s buying your misinformation campaign.

*sips*
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>>1575063
There is nothing wrong with NIMBYism
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Construction hasn’t slowed much during the pandemic. In fact there’s been barely any change in demand for the various types of housing.
America still has a shortage of multifamily housing and we need to address that.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesrealestatecouncil/2020/11/17/commercial-real-estate-outlook-we-must-plan-today-to-build-tomorrows-downtown/
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>>1575063
Did they hand these out at the multi-million dollar real estate developer lobbying firm you work at?
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>>1575041
LA officials be like “the only way to solve the homeless crisis is pricing poor people out of their homes!”
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>>1567768
Any examples of twin cities prefab stuff?
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>>1575067
Lol I know it’s the dumbest shit in the world. These “anti-displacement” morons think if they make a massive housing shortage then somehow housing will magically get cheaper.
And they shit all over the Constitution when they cripple people’s property rights like that. Thankfully the judge noted how unconstitutional they were being.
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>>1575065
>forbes
Ok boomer
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>>1574948
because they're widest at the bottom, so they take up all the space people use until they get very tall. deciduous trees' canopy is above a person almost immediately.
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thoughts?
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>>1575071
I forgot Trumpanzees started hating Forbes (which they used to worship) after Forbes revealed Trump lied his way onto the Forbes 400 list.

That shit was hilarious
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>>1575203
Biden won. You don't have to have think about trump 24/7 anymore.
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>>1575072
but many trees get transplanted at older age, and in a park it wouldn't be a problem
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>>1575237
kek Forbes has literally nothing to do with Trump, it's just a shitty magazine, but anons like >>1575203 will seethe about him for years. They bring him up themselves if no one else will
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>>1575061
I have to leave my parents' home every night to go fuck your mom, sister, and girlfriend.
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>>1575345
>implying he has a girlfriend
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>>1575349
>implying I'm talking about more than one woman
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>>1575041
Tbh this sets an important legal precedent for LA. The staff who blocked the project were retarded too. Ignored their own lawyer.

>The South Los Angeles Area Planning Commission, which is made up of appointees of Mayor Eric Garcetti, turned down a developer’s request to build the mixed-use project last year, saying it lacked affordable housing and would spur gentrification. Superior Court Judge James C. Chalfant offered a scathing assessment of that decision, saying the panel “clearly acted in bad faith.”

>In his ruling, Chalfant said the commissioners disregarded advice from their own lawyer, who publicly warned them that the reasons for their decision were too vague and would not comply with the Housing Accountability Act, which bars cities from rejecting residential projects that comply with planning and zoning rules, unless there is an unavoidable threat to public health or safety.

>That state law was written to ensure that local governments do not drive up housing costs by applying “subjective” criteria to residential projects that comply with zoning rules, Chalfant said in his 21-page ruling.
>“That is exactly what the [commission] did by imposing its own views that gentrification is bad ... and the need for affordable housing trumps all,” the judge wrote. “That is not the law, and there can be no legitimate dispute that the [commission] acted knowingly and deliberately to violate the law.”
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>>1575357
They let it go through because they got bribed lol
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>>1575374
t. can't read English

The leftards blocked it. A judge told them they were in clear violation of the law.
Hopefully they expand the project to include more housing and less parking.
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Feds looking at alcohol detection technology
Potentially a huge step in combating car-dependency

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/11/16/feds-to-finally-explore-drunk-driving-prevention-tech/
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>>1575448
>https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/11/16/feds-to-finally-explore-drunk-driving-prevention-tech/
>i think the government is corrupt
>i want the government to be able to remotely collect biometric data on me
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https://theconversation.com/flushing-is-our-next-weapon-against-covid-19-if-youre-happy-to-have-your-sewage-scrutinised-136844
>And since 2017, sewage testing has been used to uncover evidence of illicit drug use at the population level. Drug-testing sewage has helped police and other authorities discover what drugs are used in particular cities, and even to track down illicit drug labs.
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>luxury condo being built in the ghetto is somehow a win for urbanism, nimby btfo!!!
seriously fuck off you techbro chuds i hope a jogger steals your earpods next time you go for a run you insufferable pieces of shit
commieblocks when?
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>>1575782
I fucking hate streetsblog, I only go there for the local rail news. It's staffed by the most insufferable liberal faggots who cry about environmental and systemic racism all day, who call everything that doesn't explicitly help blacks and browns racist, how every train should create equity for POC instead of helping the white commuters who pay for it. In that article alone:
>if America did the right thing and lowered the allowable blood alcohol content for drivers to zero, and replaced selective (read: racist) DWI enforcement by armed police with DWI-preventing technology that obviates the need for police encounters with drunk drivers altogether.
>The only question is whether we have the courage to do it — and stop relying on violent and insufficient law enforcement solutions to manage a problem they were never equipped to solve. OOH NOOOOOO THINK OF THE HECKIN BLACKERINOS WHO CAN'T HELP BUT BREAK THE LAW AND DRIVE HIGH AS A KITE NOOOOOOO THE HECKIN WORKING BEANERINOS ITS THEIR CULTURE YOU CAN'T JUST DEPORT THEM FOR A DUI
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>>1575041
based, imagine arguing there is anything of value to preserve in south LA. They should all be displaced deeper into their south central shithole.
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>>1575794
>muh nigger boogeyman
blacks account for 13.4% of the US population and 13.6% of DUI arrests, find something else to blame you incurious racist idiot
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>>1575799
then tell that to streetsblog crying about racist police? Mexicans are massively over-represented, it's literally cultural for them drive and have some modelos.
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>>1575789
Fuck commieblocks, they breed crime. Luxury condos are the best thing happening in America right now because they support local businesses and fund transit expansion.
If you disagree you’re a delusional retard desu.
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>>1575801
>Luxury condos are the best thing happening in America right now
theyre good for the oligarchs in charge.. for individuals LAND is king (even if its a small piece of land)

enjoy paying the housing association the equivalent of rent every month
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>>1575801
>Fuck commieblocks, they breed crime
no they don't, when they're put in ghettos and never see a cent of investment after being built they breed crime yes
there's no reason a well built commie block with nice amenities and connections to (good) public transit would degrade into the kind of tower ghettos that were built in the 60s-70s.
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>>1573390
Usually utility lines especially drainage boundary underneath.
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>>1575800
>Mexicans are massively over-represented, it's literally cultural for them drive and have some modelos.
latino machismo culture is pretty cancerous i agree, but its not like the assimilating machine that is american society can't deal with it given enough time
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>>1575808
>>1575808
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST EXPECT PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY AND BEHAVE THEMSELVES WITHOUT MASSIVE GIBMEDAT PROGRAMS
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>>1574200
>private garage
Waste of ground floor space in most cases. Large underground garage is probably cheaper to build than bunch of small garages.
>public pool
Likely shitty small pool that isn't that useful for exercise and due to that hardly used as recreational area. Anything larger takes a lot of energy to keep it heated/cooled depending on environment and circulated.
>>1574446
>>1574483
Mostly zoning issues, land costs more than it used to cost. Also demolition of anything that used to be on the site is more expensive as it used to be, especially if the site used to be industrial site and has to be cleaned up. Getting building permits is harder and more bureaucratic process than it used to be in all developed countries. Also decades worth of cumulative inflation.
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>>1575815
white people get incredible amounts of gibsmedats, especially suburban cagers
kill yourself please
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>>1575814
assimilation LOL, they're assimilating us by sheer strength of numbers.
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>>1575823
>white people get incredible amounts of gibsmedats, especially suburban cagers
Suburban white people i.e. the people who contribute most to the economy and cause a negligible amount of serious crime. I have no problem with the government spending money on them
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>>1575830
t. southwest
that land was always AZTLAN, you are occupiers
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>>1575840
you have to go back
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>>1575858
i dont even live in north america dumb chud
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>>1575804
I'm inclined to agree, but with suburbs you don't have any rights to do anything on "your" land.
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New thread >>1576122
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>>1576000
>but with suburbs you don't have any rights to do anything on "your" land.
at least you can have a shed
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>>1576000
>but with suburbs you don't have any rights to do anything on "your" land
You're confusing suburbs with subdivisions, and the rules on what you can do in those vary from very permissive to very restrictive
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>>1575817
>Also decades worth of cumulative inflation.
I assume youre right about the rest, but even accounting for inflation some of these houses double in value within a few years, the costs are disproportional to inflation.
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>>1575054
Chain cutters and a truckload of gravel.
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Is there any way to solve/fix the federal capital of Argentina(buenos aires city)?
I have an apartment there but i havent moved yet(we have a tenant) because of how crappy the city is.
Is there any long-term proyect that could save it?I think it has potential.
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>>1578657
The long term project is for them to stop voting for kirschnerists. Most problems there are of economic nature, I think
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>>1576422
Some burbs don't even let you have a shed. Other times it's a long lengthy process.
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>>1570734
Whoa. This is so neat, I haven't played cities skylines in years but didn't remember it looking like this. Any mods, dlc, add-ons?



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