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>>1474071

Anything about public transport in Switzerland, Austria and Germany is fair game.
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Bei mir ist es meistens so, dass der Anzeiger genau zu dem Zeitpunkt zum Anzeigen des nächsten Halts und der Ausstiegsseite wechselt, wenn die Ansage zur Zugteilung kommt.
"Sie haben in Buxtehude ausreichend Zeit zum Umsteigen." hilft dann auch nicht sonderlich, weil man akut nicht mehr nachvollziehen kann, in welchem Zugteil man sitzt. Darum immer schon beim Einsteigen aufpassen.
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Apparently there will be an additional train per hour between Neumünster and Kiel, as well as an extra stop between Neumünster and Bordesholm. The third train per hour would probably serve as a connector to the RE Kiel/Flensburg-Hamburg, thus serving the same purpose as the RB77 did before being replaced by the splitting RE7.
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>>1563068
Was SH already ITF'd before this, or is that new?

ITF was genuinely the most important shift around where I live.
It turned a system with nothing but intentionally designed connections and rare "happy accidents" into a system where you have connecting trains and buses everywhere all the time.
With Deutschlandtakt and "TEE" that success project is getting taken to the next stage.
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>>1563242
I think it has been fairly common at Kiel and Lübeck central stations, as well as Neumünster, for quite some time.
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>>1563242
statewide itfs are common
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>>1564023
Sure, but were they already a thing in SH?
I guess so, apparently: >>1563966
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Any interesting (new) trains this year?

https://www.fernbahn.de/datenbank/suche/?fahrplan_jahr=2021&zug_gattung=&zug_linie=&fv_suche_zugverzeichnis=1#form8
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What are the opinions of our fellow /CH/ads about the newish SBB chairman?
https://company.sbb.ch/en/the-company/profile/management-board.html
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>>1569637
>Diplom als Elektroingenieur (Schwerpunkt in Informatik)
Feels like exactly the qualification that is currently needed the most at the head of railway companies. Unironically.
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German TV reports about the Bundesverwaltungsgericht's decision on the Fehmarnbeltquerung:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irqSwZxIxFk
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looks like Stuttgart 21 is making progress. but how well can Deutschlandtakt be integrated with just having 8 tracks available in the new station? bus captcha is pretty fitting for this board, just as a side note.
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>>1572001
less dwell time due not having to reverse, less terminating trains, and the original station will keep some tracks running.
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>>1572001
8 tracks is a lot when trains pass through, not terminating and switching around.
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>>1572196
The potential maximum throughput is still way less than with the old station.
From a railway-scientific point of view the new subterranean station in Stuttgart is utter and complete nonsense.
Now it absolutely needs to be completed, though.

>>1572001
I have heard people talk about S21 being incompatible with Deutschlandtakt, but I can't imagine the guys at BMVI being *that* stupid (>inb4 >).
It certainly doesn't help, though, if you want to have trains in all directions at the ITF-nodes at the same time.
It will probably turn out to be an extreme delay generator in Deutschlandtakt.
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>>1569637
dunno man I just want cargo to save themselves and become a good company so I can work there later on
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>>1573654
Seems like this thread too is suffering from corona, just like DB et al.
Funny though, here in Austria our
>ok, now we’re really doing a lockdown and not a half assed one like last weeks
-lockdown is of course very half assed, so trams and busses are quite full (haven’t seen any trains).
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>>1575379
Over here it's
>Bürger werden angehalten, [...] öffentliche Verkehrsmittel möglichst zu meiden.
https://www.msn.com/de-de/nachrichten/politik/private-treffen-reisen-die-beschl%C3%BCsse-des-corona-gipfels-im-%C3%BCberblick/ar-BB1b3KVm

Buses and trains are obviously still filled to the top, since children need to get to school, and parents need to get to work. (Duh!)
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>DB bought Pesa Links
My condolences
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>>1576555
Never rode one of those before. What's wrong with them?
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>>1576564
They have a habit of breaking randomly
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/pannenreiche-testfahrt-nach-polen-warum-die-neuen-zuege-der-neb-probleme-bereiten/24269236.html
https://www.lok-report.de/news/deutschland/aus-den-laendern/item/13261-nrw-weiterhin-maengel-und-unzulaenglichkeiten-an-den-pesa-fahrzeugen-im-sauerland-netz.html
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>>1576555
Nice trips.
But who cares if they break down? They got the angry-molten-bar-of-soap look every car has nowadays, so maybe that’s what it takes for rail to be treated as equal?
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>>1576586
Well, they should have bought Siemens... uh, Bombard...err... Alstom? Uh... Ansaldo-,nah...Stadler.. Hitachi?
Seriously, was there any new train that was just bought, delivered and worked as ordered in the recent years?
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>>1576917
Any of the brands you mentioned lol.
Also Pesa has never made a good train, unlike Siemens, Alstom and Stadler
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>>1576918
>any of the brands you mentioned
>Bombardier
LOL
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What's the best fast food at Berlin Hauptbahnhof?
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>>1578629
I quite like the Mettbrötchen in the pedestrian underpass at Hanover HBF.
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>>1578629
The Starbucks at Brandenburg Gate is a must, if you have the time.
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>>1578959
Nah, I just have a half an hour layover at Berlin Hbf before my ICE leaves and wanted to eat something.
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I've never understood why they use S-Bahn trains for Regionalbahn.
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>>1579838
It's the other way round: They are using RB stock for S-Bahn.
The 42X are mostly RB material. Except for 420 and 422, that is.
I'm starting to miss n-Wagen, though. Is there a Museumsbahn running those?
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>>1579841
>n-Wagen
I thought some Transdev line used them someplace. I swore I saw them used on the train from Leipzig to Chemnitz
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>>1578629
Fahtih Servet has some really fucking good döner if you're into that. Damn good Kofte too. It's too the right of the Hertha BSC fan store - there are a set of escalators between it and the fan store which lead to platforms 7&8.

I don't think there's a better place to eat in Hbf.
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>>1579856
Well, lately they were mostly used for Verstärkerzüge in my area (all DB Regio). Bid farewell to them like 2 or 3 years back.
Not on the final one (to avoid fuzzies), but I'll never forget the refreshing breeze to be had by sticking your head out the window.
That's something no DoSto or 42X can offer.
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I know someone who sprays like 20 DB trains in one night. I don't know how he hasn't got caught yet.
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https://www.vm.nrw.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/Archiv-des-VM-2020/2020_12_02_Fuer-einen-besseren-OePNV_-100-Millionen-Euro-fuer-den-eTarif-NRW/index.php

Naja, bin auf jeden Fall froh über mein Semesterticket NRW. Auch, wenn ich das dieses und letztes Semester erheblich weniger genutzt habe.
Für Autofahrer könnte das eine attraktive Möglichkeit sein, den ÖPNV mal mit niedriger Einstiegshürde auszuprobieren.
Wenn Michel sich per App unfallfrei eine Pizza bestellen kann, dann kann er per App auch Bus fahren.
Wobei ich in gewissen Städten schon das Problem kommen sehe, dass den Neu-Fahrgästen nicht klar sein wird, dass sie ihr Ticket beim Fahrer vorzeigen müssen, und nach der anschließenden, üblichen Schreierei vom Fahrersitz dann (Zu Recht!) auch nie wieder ÖPNV fahren werden.
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Rate my collection, /chad/
1/2
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>>1581538
2/2
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>>1581192
Why cant they make it card based?
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>>1581771
There already is a nationwide card system.
They haven't come around to place a balance on it.
Also the infrastructure for checking in and out is missing.
So it's only used to store commuter passes on them and some places allow you to more electronic tickets on THEIR version of the card.
In the end nothing will get done because they'll cry about money laundering.
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>>1581538
>>1581542
autism/10
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>>1581538
>>1581542
>no traditional DB Kursbuch
Why? Other than that a lot of interesting stuff. 8/10.
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>>1582016
I only began collecting stuff from Germany circa 2018.
t. burger
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>>1582063
>t. burger
In that case: Your collection is fucking amazing.
If that's in America, that's a 10/10 without a shroud of a doubt!
DB Kursbücher regularly pop up on ebay. Maybe look there, if you are interested.
For current Kursbuch info: http://kursbuch.bahn.de
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I only have a 2016... departure book thing. It's not a Kursbuch, but I forget what it's called (and I forgot where I put it), but it has all the long distance train departures for every station except Hamburg Hbf and Altona.
It's basically the Anfahrtsplan you see in every major station, but in a book.
I also have the Übersichtskarten for both Germany and Europe from 2016. Not sure where I put them though...
I bought both from the Bahnshop.de website.

I also have a BVG map and BVG Atlas from 2016 too. I forget where I bought them from... maybe Alexanderplatz. The Atlas is more convenient though, especially for journey planning, since it's easier to work out where the actual bus stops are, particularly when transferring from rail to bus, especially given that sometimes the bus stops are not placed at opposite sides of the street.
The Atlas was much more useful at times then the VBB App which I used when I lived in Berlin.
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>>1582244
I do have a few state railway timetable books (Bavaria 2016, Sachsen-Anhalt 2019, Hesse 2019), plus some scattered leaflets and booklets for various regional train lines. There's also the fact that many timetable books for individual cities and counties will contain the Kursbuch tables for the lines passing through the county, which is a big plus.
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>>1579885
This replacement consist is frequently used on RB48 (NRW), the wagons and the 111 are both owned by TRI. Both National Express Germany and TRI seem to be headed by massive Fuzzis, so it makes sense I guess, except for the poor people in wheelchairs. Catching that train still makes my day every time.
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Speaking of 111s, RE4 is the last train in NRW to use 111s. It will be replaced by RRX this month, I've already seen some as test runs in revenue service. Can't say im too sad, since they were usually coupled with the most rancid Dostos available.
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>>1582581
man that photo is kinda crap, have my friends one instead.
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uuuhm Basiert-Dezernat???
no really, any opinions on this? I haven't looked into the details yet, but seems pretty alright. But why no connection to Prague? Is ÖBB already planning to do that?
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>>1582578
>This replacement consist is frequently used on RB48 (NRW)
Do you happen to have an Umlaufplan at hand?
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>>1583349
no, sorry. I believe they're used whenever all the other trains are not available (for scheduled ? maintenance), so they're not constantly in service. When they are, they're easy to find because they only run the Wuppertal-Cologne service which only uses like 3 different trainsets anyway.
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>>1583674
>because they only run the Wuppertal-Cologne service
I hardly pass through that area at the moment - also due to current circumstances -, but thanks for that info!
Will be on the lookout!

>>1582581
>they were usually coupled with the most rancid Dostos available
I had grown to like them over the years to be honest.
Not sad, but I'll still miss them. Especially the front car towards Dortmund was neat.
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https://youtu.be/EQs5VxNPhzk
1902 flying train, Germany
god it looks better than my shithole country's public transpo
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>electrify one track between Lindau and Munich
>manage to send EMU to the non electrified track on first day of fully electrified service between Zurich and Munich
thanks Germany, well done

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/deutsche-bahn-lenkt-sbb-zug-auf-gleis-ohne-strom-360401606706
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>>1584974
Who is to blame? Some human that wasn't updated, or some software using outdated data?
Also,
>It's not just you! tagesanzeiger.ch is down.
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>>1584974
>thanks Germany, well done
We didn't want all you swiss corona spreaders in our nice country!
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love the fog
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>>1576918
for being with stadler, fuck you they dont work in the cold
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So, what makes DB so hillariously bad at beeing on time?
I don't quite understand how a train aquires more than 10 minutes delay on a semi regular basis when there aren't unusual cirumstances.
Especialy when on-time performance matters the most, DB is late.
And that's ignoring somewhat predictable stuff like snow during winter.
From all the trains I take, RB-20 (Euregiobahn, dieselmechanic light rail) has a tendency to be the absolute worst.
On a good day it's 5-10 minutes late, on a bad day it arrives just before the next train is scheduled, on the wrong rail and DB only tells you when you can allready see the train arrive on the wrong side.

What happened to "one can set the time by the trains"?

And from my rather limited experience with the competition, some are even worse and some are acceptable.

>>1582581
Yea, RE-4 had REALY rancid rolling stock.
Allways covered in graphity, often smelling like piss, at best ~30 years old and the LCD digit type displays often showed realy odd and wrong information.
Still better than the usualy rather crowded RB-33 though.
The new National Express RRX rolling stock is much nicer.
Let's hope it's also more on time, same goes for the largely parallel running RB-33 that also recived new rolling stock, but is still under DB.
I won't miss that terrible trashcan-sound these trains made...
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The U5 metro will finally be built in Vienna. Might be finished this decade. Probably not.
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>>1585535
idk about the DB but sounds like management is just plain retarded and shits impossible to hold schedule.
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Interesting
>https://www.spiegel.de/auto/strassenbahn-warum-es-in-deutschland-tram-neubauten-schwer-haben-a-131d3393-3357-4148-9cda-4aab9d871b70
tl;dr:
Apparently NIMBYs in Germany don't like Trams, whereas they're a huge success all over France.
That's weird. I mean I can understand the folks who are blocking (freight) train lines, because they're cutting through the landscape and make a lot of noise, but a Tram? If you're not making turns that are too thight, they're virtually silent and they're just much more pleasant to ride than busses.
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>>1586131
It's not NIMBYs, it's MIV-dependent guys, that don't want to have a tram on their road, since there are already traffic jams as it is. Imagine how much worse that gets once they have to share that space with a tram!
For them it's more of a "not in my universe" kind of thing.
Remember: Public transit is only for the scum that cannot afford a car, or cannot get a driver's license.
I wish I was joking there, but MIV-dependent people actually think like that at large.

I agree with tram >>> bus, but then you often hear that geezers would have to make more transfers, and that's unacceptable to them. So lines that ought have mostly connecting function suddenly get abused for coverage, which completely ruins average travel times.
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>>1586177
>Remember: Public transit is only for the scum that cannot afford a car, or cannot get a driver's license.
But that's mostly a burger thing. Here in Germanland, even car users tend to at least have a neutral view towards the users of public transport. Those that are ranting about trains being filled with niggers (well, mostly turks in our case) ore a minority, that's only seen in online newspaper comments. Take Frankfurt (close to Wiesbaden, bigger and "grittier"), even bankers that earn a shitton of money use public transport there. I never saw as many expensive suits in one place as in the S2 during rushour in the central Frankfurt tunnel. Everyone must know some folks that take public transport and know how it really is (shitty, obviously, especially in the case of the S2, but nowhere near as shitty as online commenters would make you believe)
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>>1586177
>It's not NIMBYs, it's MIV-dependent guys, that don't want to have a tram on their road, since there are already traffic jams as it is. Imagine how much worse that gets once they have to share that space with a tram!
totally. Both Düsseldorf and Stuttgart recently elected mayors that ran on a pro-car platform, because the people there felt so threatened by the DUH lawsuits and the resulting means.
t. city that rejected a pt ropeway with a public vote
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>>1586131
>Ende 2022 soll die Kieler Ratsversammlung dann zwischen Stadtbahn und Schnellbussystem entscheiden
lol, thoughts and prayers
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>>1586259
only the poor travel by car, rich people gi by first class train
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>>1586413
doesn't Hamburg have a lower percentage of people using public transport compared to other German cites? why would Kiel do the same do the same mistake with a metrobus system?
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>>1586753
regional rail is extremly retarded around Hamburg
watch the Gustav Richard videos to get why
basically nimbies bombarded any construction for decades on the major freight corridors
you can get anywhere by car but the access in the city is good
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Japan schafft es wohl auch nicht, in Städten unfallfrei Tunnel zu graben: >>1587437
(cf. https://www1.wdr.de/archiv/stadtarchiv-ubahn/index.html )
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>>1579838
I used to ride a line that 425 as RB/RE (got a donwgrade a few years back) and S-Bahn. Ironically, the S-Bahn ones were much nicer, as the RB ones were from the first lot that didn't get proper seat cushions. Horrible little things. Terribly loud power-electronics hitting the resonance frequency of the transhcan-lids repeatedly every time it accelerated. The noise of 50 aluminium trashcans and their lids rattling each other to death still haunts me.
The S-Bahn ones also got a refurbishment that fixed their shitty lighting, which the old RB ones still suffer from.
Lot one is 20km/h faster though. IF there's no leaves overwhelming the shitty brakes. Whover thought they could get rid of brakes on the middle bogie was a retard. Whover designed cheaped out on the ABS as well. Both together was a level of retard only DB is capable of.
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>>1587775
The 425s on "my line" got replaced (with 440s).
Not gonna lie, the new ones are better, but the "Coladosen" weren't bad either.
The trashcan-lids never really were a problem in my eyes/ears. There was a resonance like once in a blue moon, and that was it.
Felt more like a characteristic happenstance than a regular annoyance.
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>>1586410
Düsseldorf nor plans on using technology:tm: and use intelligent traffic lights. doesn't cange the great bike protected lanes inside of the dooring zone or to narrow, eg illegal 50cm, bike paths. If im bored I might drive again on them during rushhour.
If someone knows how the studies about the umwelt lanes propres they are invited to post.
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>>1579894
Fuck these cunts, making it hard to spot the door buttons every time
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>>1588562
A week ago. ONE DAY after it entered service, I rode an RRX train.
Already completely sprayed. And they left that piece of shit running, instead of entirely cleaning it first.
DB Regio, NX, Abellio, NWB...in the end, it really doesn't make a difference.
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>>1586720
I still chuckle at this one.
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>>1587778
You probably got the version with little rubber-bits in place. The fell off on the old ones.
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>>1588684
You mean the 425neu?
Yeah. Although the biggest improvement with those were the areas without vis-à-vis seats.
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My Oma used to live along the route of the Semmering line. I went for a ride along the line as a child but threw a fit when told we were simply catching the train back and forth, not going anywhere with it. Would be more appreciative now.
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>>1586413
Had one for Aachen years ago, people sadly voted against it.
But there is some hope: http://www.aachen.de/DE/stadt_buerger/politik_verwaltung/pressemitteilungen/regio-tram_direkt.html
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>>1591199
Well, Aachen overall has a very decent bus network. Before Corona the buses got way too crowded, but both in terms of frequency and density of the network it's at the upper end in Germany.
For buses there is absolutely no capacity left. It would have needed that tram to improve on that.
Aachen unfortunately is about to suffocate. Add a few more cars in the morning, and it's in for a heart attack.
That's why the refusal was utterly stupid, but if that is what the majority wants, that's okay. We live in a democracy.
It was a major reason I moved away, though.
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…and now for something completely different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PXcM8ZL7Ks
Just randomly stumbled upon it on youtube. Swiss autism at its finest!
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https://www.bundestag.de/presse/hib/815360-815360
>Die Inbetriebnahme mit ETCS Level 2 auf der Schnellfahrstrecke Köln-Rhein/ Main sei nach Auskunft der DB AG für Dezember 2028 vorgesehen, teilt die Regierung mit.
Das ist schon irgendwie deprimierend, wie lange das noch dauert. Aber gut, Zielmarke war ja 2030, oder?

Blau=ETCS, Rot=LZB
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>>1578959
what's special abt that Starbucks, anon?
I thought Starbucks = Starbucks pretty much everywhere
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>>1596599
If you don't know, I'm afraid I can not tell you.
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>>1596599
The location is right in front of Brandenburg Gate, next to the French embassy, and Hotel Adlon.
A sight to behold, including the area those four establishments encircle.
It's situated at the fringes of the one place in Germany that really feels, in a sense, global.

Starbucks' pricing system is fucking insane, but in that one location it actually is appropriate for once.
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>>1596291
So DB is going to keep to ETCS Level 1 such as SBB?
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Winter. Die Bahn fährt?

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/schnee-in-deutschland-hessen-sperrt-pisten-bayern-ganze-bahnstrecken-a-5d6e8936-841e-4715-9768-f3da4ee1dcf9
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>>1583349
currently (this week?) 115 459 is running this service, i just cought it randomly in Oberbarmen, along with four other fuzzis. Pic is from Bahnbilder, apparently taken on monday.
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>>1596772

Why would you upgrade to L2 if not required capacitywise?
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>>1597641
Exactly, altough you need L3 for movable blocks. I can only speak for the efficacity from my Norwegian point of view, but I assume these are somewhat universal.

Advantages:
>Shorter safety distances for conflicting right of ways which makes it easier to achieve simultanious train movements (70 metres with release speed 20 km/h)
>This means many old passing loops can have two trains entering at the same time from each direction
>Gets rid of clickey-clackey logic boys - better uptime

Disadvantages:
>More conservative braking curves, espacially for freight trains
>Mostly lower permitted speeds for all trains through curves
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How good is the cycling infrastructure in Zürich and in Switzerland as a whole?
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>>1597578
Good snapshot.
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Cycling for what purpose?
For fun you'll have a plethora of possibilities, especially in second and third-grade mountain resorts.
For commuting/daily use?
That really depends on the place you're living/working.
Zurich is nice, but be prepared for steep climbs if you don't live in one of the flat areas.
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>>1589798
you have no taste, ICE T is best Tea.





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