What's your favorite defunct airline? Why did it disappear?For me it's Ansett. They went bankrupt back in September 2001, though they stuck around until 2002 as an A320-only low cost carrier in the hopes of finding a buyer.Their bankruptcy had a few causes>Deregulation of the Australian airline market put increased pressure on their revenues>Most of their major investments (including a part share in the now-defunct America West airlines) performed poorly>Their 767 fleet was aging and regularly had maintenance issues, culminating in their 767 fleet being grounded in Christmas 2000 and their entire fleet being grounded in Easter 2001, which was an expensive loss.>Air New Zealand bought them out and merged with them in early 2000. ANZ didn't really have the capital available for their own modernization needs, let alone those of Ansett, so the result was that both companies were severely undercapitalised. (ANZ would go bankrupt around the same time as Ansett and had to be renationalised)>Air New Zealand's attempts to reduce the operating costs of Ansett had detrimental effects on service quality. Their aim was to keep the same revenue while getting costs down, since that was somewhat successful for Air New Zealand, but in Ansett it had the effect of driving away customers who wanted premium service>They spent a large amount of money to become the official sponsors of the Sydney 2000 Olympics, but didn't see much return on it since Qantas had a much stronger brand image internationally as Australia's airline, and combined with some guerilla marketing by Qantas a large number of people just assumed that Qantas was the official sponsor anyway.After Singapore Airlines and Qantas pulled back from buying Ansett Mk.1 when it was in administration, there were plans to keep it flying in a smaller form put forward by the Tesna Consortium, but since the government didn't offer them any support they pulled back and Ansett Mk. 2's last flight landed on March 4th 2002.
>>1544476For chronological reasons, I should add that Ansett went into administration on September 12th 2001. My understanding is that 9/11 wasn't a definitive factor in that happening, although it had a big impact on Qantas pulling back from the interest it had been expressing earlier in 2001 and in the general failure of the airline to find any buyers after going into administration.Mk.1 ceased flying on September 14th after the administrators attempts to put together a rescue package failed, which was probably also impacted by 9/11
>an entire budget/charter airline with exclusively 747sthe fact that this no longer exists is proof that we are in the wrong timeline
i wish NW was still around. we might still have 747s in the US if we did. maybe.
>>1544810>Full zog airline>Shitty (and awfully small) terminal in a remote spot at JFK>Disastrous work conditions and wages>Dead-tired 747, poor safety and reliability recordGood riddance
>>1545913>t. Narrowbody cuck
>>1546085Rightfully so, the real flag carrier for Zuid-Nederland is KLM and you know it.
>>1546102>only one airline for the entire country Retard
>>1546525tbf Aeroflot did balkanize when the USSR broke up. so just how much of Soviet Aeroflot eventually went to Russian Aeroflot would be interesting to know. The best figures for comparison I can find is that Soviet Aeroflot had ~2000 planes when the USSR broke up, while Russian Aeroflot had 111 at the end of 2001.
>>1544810Fug, I can't find it now but I'm absolutely certain I saw a Tower Air 747 in one of the Home Alone movies. I remember thinking there's no way this is a real airline. Then I googled and found it was real. Old movies are full of inadvertent aviation history like that.For me, it's AirTran. Took my first flight without parental supervision on them, went with a friend to a convention in Los Angeles.
Pan am had such a sweet swagger to it. Some of the stories about the pilots and stewardesses are amazing.
>>1546500PSA never used the 757, nice photoshop though >Besides, is there a livery that does not fit the 757?
>>1546825>Besides, is there a livery that does not fit the 757?not to my knowledge.
>>1545913Yet somehow it didn't crash once.I read stories about them. You can find a bunch on the airliners forums
>>1546748What stories? Where can I read these stories
>>1547573>>1547567I have a fetish for random obscure airlines
>>1547567i miss the MD-80 so fucking much bros...
>>1547575>they didnt even paint over AA's retirement colorslmao
>>1548177It's the most we don't give a fuck livery I've ever seen. I was wondering if it was ex AA but the stripes were a bit off. I didn't know that it was a special livery
>>1548196given how the MD-80 was white, id hardly even call it a "livery" they just panted over the old titles and put their name on and called it a day.
>>1548196it was exAA. back in the day, when AA retired a plane they painted the red stripe blue to avoid brand recognition.
>>1548198I wonder what the previous airline was
Compass Airlines based in Sydney Australia. They ran services between Sydney and Melbourne for a little while in the early 90s before they went bust.
Lloyd Aero Boliviano was an airline in Bolivia, South America. They went bankrupt in 2008 and ceased operations. They were actually a reasonable airline, friendly, courteous service, and decent food.
>>1546500The true PSA :)
>>1550337Bonus, the fantastic mid-seventies interiors and crew used on the smiling TriStars.
>>1550337I only flew on the this plane. Usually to San Diego or LA
>>1550340That's a lot of drugs
>>1552826https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Air_Lines#Controversial_ad_campaign>In 1967 the airline embarked on a controversial advertising campaign, including a full-page ad in the New York Times on April 28, 1967, that highlighted the fear of flying, a subject rarely mentioned by airlines. >Hey there! You with the sweat in your palms. It's about time an airline faced up to something: Most people are scared witless of flying. Deep down inside, every time that big plane lifts off that runway, they wonder if this is it, right? You want to know something, fella? So does the pilot, deep down inside>To complement the ad campaign, flight attendants handed out "survival kits" featuring hot-pink lunch pails containing a small security blanket, a "lucky" rabbit's foot, the best-selling book The Power of Positive Thinking, and a fortune cookie containing the slogan "It could be worse. The pilot could be whistling 'The High and the Mighty'.">The attendants were also encouraged to exclaim "We made it! How about that!" upon landing.>Freberg had unfulfilled plans to paint a Pacific Boeing 727 to resemble a locomotive, with wheels on the fuselage and a cowcatcher on the nose. Inside the cabin, passengers would have heard a recording of a steam locomotive over the loudspeakers.HOWLING at this
Way back with this one, Aeromarine flew the Felixstowe F5L converted for civilian passenger use. Ran the aerial approximation of a booze cruise, flying Americans to Havana, etc. out of the reach of prohibition.
>>1551165that one hit me in the feels alot harder than i was expecting, made me remember bmi baby aswell
Used to love flying them between Vancouver Island and Victoria when I was a kid.
>>1555084Air BC also flew BAE 146s (their only jets) as part of their Air Canada Connector service.They were merged into Air Canada Jazz in 2002, which had no interest in maintaining the Twin Otters or 146s, and now Harbour Air has more or less a monopoly on floatplane airlines in BC. They're pretty good though.
>>1555085I love this little nigga like you wouldn't believe.
I was working for a large logistics company in Air Berlin's main building the same week they shut down. It was crazy, we had to pass literal bouncers who were hired in a hurry to get into our offices. They were there to keep any Air Berlin employees from stealing shit, I guess. Also because people were just generally frantically entering and exiting the building. And then the head hunters showed up. Literally dozens of suits started lining the street leading from the building to the main parking space, handing out flyers for their temp agencies etc. like vultures. It was fun.
>>1550161the logo on the tail slaps.
>>1555715the logo on that tail slaps as well.
>>1544476I miss AirTran because I used to fly from Flint to Orlando all the time growing up, and it's the first airline I flew on by myself.Also, I miss it because when I do go home, I am reminded that Allegiant fucking sucks. I remember thinking the AirTran flights were uncomfortable compared to the Northwest flights we took when I was very young, but Jesus Christ, they just keep finding new ways to make budget carriers even more miserable. I'd almost rather take a bus nowadays.
>>europe's biggest regional airline>really vital for UK regional airports because BA are shit at domestic flights>still goes bustSad
>>1555925Britain's regional/domestic airline situation confuses me. The market seemed to have been quite busy in the 80s/90s. Off the top of my head they definitely had Manx, BA Regional, Jersey European (FlyBe), British Midland, LoganAir operating an impressive network outside of Scotland, etc. Loganair are still going and seem to have taken up a few routes from bmi and FlyBe after they went broke, but everyone else seems to have pulled out. I suppose the UK's population is much better served by ground transport due to its distribution, but it's not like that wasn't the case in the 80s and 90s so that doesn't explain why so many airlines piled in in the first place.
>>1555928I think it's a combination of small factors>improvements in rail travel since the 80s mean rail is more pleasant and convenient>London airspace is so incredibly crowded that regionals can't afford heathrow and have to fly to airports miles from London, reducing convenience>Airline economics in general have gotten harder because of rising fuel costs over the past 30 yearsLoganair has avoided some of this because the scottish island routes are a captive market and air is still more convenient than a boat.
>>1555928Rail transport in the 80s was still terrible from the nationalisation era. While flying is cheaper compared to trains it's also much more of a pain when the rail network is everywhere.
No one and I mean no one remembers this airline. I only know it because when it went defunct I saw flyer on a shelf.
TWA because they were the only trans airline
>>1556021At least there is still Air Transat
>>1555084>between Vancouver Island and Victoria Uhh...
>>1556314>>airline named after a railwayKino.
>>1556383My bad, I meant Vancouver and Victoria.Pic is a Dash 8 in their last livery, right before absorption into Air Canada Jazz.
>>1544476My dad worked for ansett before they went bust. Apparently the were vicious on the way out. Pilots weren't allowed to keep souiveniers, uniforms and hats were slashed rather than given away. Pretty sad. He says IPEC was nicer to fly for.
>>1556316>At least there is still Air TransatAnon, Air canada bought them a year ago. There is really them and WestJet and Porter.
>>1546825>photoshopAmerican owns the PSA name and ha s a few planes in that livery currently. also one of their regionals is currently called PSA
>>1556314That livery is pure kino on the 747s.
>>1556778And a fantastic aerial shot.
>>1556778Looks pretty good on anything
>>1546150The Netherlands takes 30 minutes to drive across.
>>1547745Glad Southwest dropped the tan livery.
>>1557188i like it on the 737-200 but it always looked weird on the later models
Hungarians have accidentally the flag carrier
>>1558088They were sure bright.
Merger with JAL
Also this cute one of stewardesses.
>>1559445What's the story behind this airline?
>>1546748Pan Am was overratedTWA was where it was at
>>1544810>>1547745>>1550161>>1550564>>1550898>>1555715>>1555926>>1556021>>1557311>>1559139I like all of these liveries
>>1559783>Hughes AirwaysNot a big wiki.>The initial Air West fleet included Boeing 727-100s, Douglas DC-9s, Fairchild F-27s, and Piper Navajos. The first new addition to the Air West fleet was a McDonnell Douglas DC-9-30 which had been ordered by Bonanza Air Lines."Hungry for another adventure in the airline industry, TWA's former owner Howard Hughes sought the airline in 1968, and the deal was finalized in 1970. The airline was renamed Hughes Air West and its call sign became "Hughes Air." It expanded to several cities in the western United States, Canada and Mexico. With the new yellow paint scheme, unveiled 28 September 1971, the airline began calling itself Hughes Airwest, two words instead of the initial three word name."In September 1979 the airline was grounded for two months by a walkout by their ticket agents, reservations handlers, and office employees, who had been without a contract for over a year. During 1979 several airlines showed interest in buying Hughes Airwest, including Alaska and Allegheny, with the latter soon becoming USAir. The strike was resolved in late October and flights resumed in November. Four months later they were the target of a buyout by Republic Airlines, which was finalized on October 1, 1980, for $38.5 million. Republic had been formed in July 1979 via the merger of North Central Airlines and Southern Airways, the first under airline deregulation.Republic was acquired by Northwest Airlines in 1986, which in turn was merged into Delta Air Lines in 2010.
>>1559784TWA is more of a tragic tale imo. Pan-Am committed seppuku with poor investments (especially in their fleet choice) so from the oil crisis onwards they were running on borrowed time. TWA on the other hand was always so close yet so far. even at the very end, they had some promising plans like staring a codeshare with AW, and starting new international routes. but their leadership never moved fast enough, and they were gobbled up.
My little regional company on which I used to fly when I was a kid
Was then niggered by Air France>but we left you your little logo on the engine :^)
And finally Frankestein'ed with 2 others into this soulless flying zoomer cancer
>>1555898As someone who has gone cross country about 20 times by bus over the years, i'd advise you to rethink your premise. I don't care how shitty the airline is as long as the flight only takes a few hours.
>>1546748The day Pan Am becomes a fallen flag twice is a day I look forward to."Pan Am" does not belong on a freight line that only operates in northern New England
>>1560098Yeah. That's lame
>>1560109Heard murmurings about NS looking to buy them out, and I fucking hope it happens. That way we get B&M and MEC heritage units when NS decides to actually do it, and I get to see NS heritage units in my neck of the woods
Imagine my surprise when Mohawk was a real airline.
>>1560471what engines are those?
>>1560994fun fact" ansett was one of the only customers to have FE stations on their 767s.
>>1560678Pratt & Whitney JT3C
>>1560997I remember seeing that in Airliners magazine somewhere a few years ago. Thanks for the reminder
>>1561002i remember also hearing rumors that DL and UA had the same stations on their earliest 767s, but ive seen no actual evidence of this beyond rumor. the automatic FE "station" the 762s came with as standard look very similar to the converted panels. i think its kind of funny that if the 757 come out just a bit sooner, the earliest of those would have had to have been required to have some form of FE station just before the FAA changed its regulations regarding crews.
Flown on them before
What a great airline. Many good memories.
>>1560070TWA almost had a codeshare with america west? How would that have worked out?
>>1558088You have to admire the chutzpa of different colors for their planes. It's nonsensical but cool.
>>1561838That's a great name. It should've been a success.
>>1564494a part of me would like to believe it would give them the passenger numbers to keep going. both companies did cling onto life longer than they had any right doing so.
>>1557188I miss it
>>1544476One can only dream...
>>1565988anyone else miss the old -200s?
>>1566490They still have a purpose for runways up north
>>1561838It merged with West Coast and Pacific Airlines to make Air West, and later Hughes Airwest.
>>1546500>>1550348>>1550337>You didn't protect this smile /n/Why ?
>>1544476TWA. Not my favorite, but my mom was an A&P mechanic and loved ripping on them every chance she got because they were always the dirtiest, shoddily fixed planes on the tarmac. Totally Whacked-out Airlines.
>>1567967that was likely in the 80s, when carls leadership led to massive cutbacks. they fixed themselves up after they ditched him when TWA 800 happened, but what was done was done.
>>1551161Took one of the navy versions across country once. When making profit isnt an issue the leg room is insane. Could stick my feet out and point my toes foward and still had 6 inchs to spare till the next seat.Uncle sam killed these off like 7 years ago.
>>1569167BOAC didn't die, it just reincarnated as British Airways
>>1569167You couldn't find a picture of an actual BOAC a/c?
>>1556780This one wins the thread.
>>1570379I really liked that 747 image, sorry you didn't
>>1546719air tran was pretty nice. what ever happened to their 717s?
You would have to be A) of Portuguese descent and B) old enough to live in the 90's to know this Airline.
>>1571236There's something right about a 4 engine airliner.
>>1545130My dad flew for NW for many years, so I'm biased, but I always loved the livery.
>>1560994Finally figured it out. This is Melbourne Airport, Terminal 3, before Taxiway Victor and Uniform were built. They're still building Taxiway Victor today, expanding it through 09/27 to Taxiway Charlie.
Canada 3000, Canada's largest Charter Airline at the time of its demise in late 2001. I was really surprised that such a large Airline could go out of business. They were cheap, and pleasant. Airlines had not yet deleted meals and free baggage.
>>1573638That's the Virgin terminal nowadays right? Those jetways are rather distinctive.
>>1555928>routes from bmi and FlyBeBMI fucked up my flights a few times. Not a competent carrier, no surprise they went.The only times I flew FlyBe, I wondered why the fuck they were doing that route, the plane was that empty. At least I had plenty of room to stretch out, but you won't make a profit if you run planes 75% vacant.So... both went because they were run by muppets who didn't know how to run a high-profit business. Standard UK story. Our professional managerial class are truly shit.
>>1544491Good things fall apart anon. My old man flew pic relatedDont be sad its over, be glad it happened
>>1544476Adam Airdefunct due to mismanagement & streak of disasters
Although the airline still lives on a Caribbean Airlines, BWIA was the gem airline of the region for a long time.
>>1574726>Holy shit, something’s falling out of the sky!>What is it?>It’s...>It’s...>It’s Adam Air plane!Spooky
>>1575635my fucking sides
>>1546530>>1549550>>1550898Still hurts bros, specially >>1553504
>>1574109>Canada 3000I vaguely remember the radio commercials.
>>1577198I flew on this a few time. Never had a chance to fly Taesa.
>>1571531I raise you with this.I flew on these once.
Now here is a the most meme airline if there ever was one
>>1578721Am rarted when it comes to airlines. Did United make a budget airline simply called Ted?
>>1578844Yeah, it ran from 2003 to 2008 and was then closed when fuel prices spikedThey also had an earlier attempt at a low cost carrier called "Shuttle by United" which used 737s from 1994 to 2001. (There was a bit of a trend for this at the time. USAir had Metrojet from 1998 to 2001 and Delta had Delta Express from 1996 to 2003, which then became "Song" from 2003 to 2006)
>>1578863What a stupid fucking name. "Ted." Someone call American Airlines and tell them to create a budget airline called Erica
>>1578863I actually flew Song once, to and from Puerto Rico. Blew my mind because that was the first time I had flown on a plane that had seatback movie screens instead of the overhead aisle TVs. I had no idea at the time that it was technically a budget airline.
>>1578863>>1578957I never got the whole song concept. It was low fare but the product seemed to be better and cheaper than the delta mainline. Passengers seemed to have liked song a lot. Why did delta kill it in the end?
>>1578863>The day the music died
>>1579341>product seemed to be better and cheaper than the delta mainlineThis was my impression as well, and I think answers your question.
>>1579463why not use the superior product in your mainline then?
>>1577142I remember Reno Air. American operates a 737 painted in the Reno livery.
>>1580589Not an airline guy but I know about business and the chances are that song was simply a market research program to see what customers like and don’t like without modifying their main service too much.
>>1580612I remember them too
>>1580662>>1580612i live two minutes from KRNO and had no idea Reno Air existed until I saw a picture on here somewhere.
>>1580662Why the fuck don't more airlines have heritage liveries like railroads?
>>1580845I'd like to see that too. I agree
>>1580713I saw them at TVL while I was on vacation, in the 90's
>>1580696They are missed, by me for sure
>>1580845American definitely has the most: Reno, PSA, Air Cal, TWA, Piedmont, US Airways, the American Astrojet livery, and the polished aluminum still.United has a couple: the Friend Ship, a couple old Continental liveries too
1960's livery was cool
>>1581005In a historical oddity, the UK charter airline Channel Airways bought several Viscounts from Continental in the 1960s and instead of repainting them into an original livery, they copied the CO livery for their entire fleet.
>>1574648Fuck carl and fuck AA
>>1582552united is going to go bankrupt and all we'll have is southwest and jetblue and then you spergs will be all "le wrong decade" about united
>>1582611desu of the legacy carriers United is probably the one I'd like to go bust the least, especially now that they've marginally improved their livery from looking like a Chinese bootleg of a Continental jet to merely being a CO knockoff while the others have been killing off the MD-8X jets that made their fleets slightly interesting.
>>1582611>>1582619DESU I don't actually hate United that much, for that reason anyway. But there is a bit of nostalgia because I grew up in NJ so most of my early flying was done on Continental from KEWR.These days, if I have an option I'll usually fly United or JB, especially over American.
>>1581075Thanks for that. I was unaware of Channel Airways, and that use of Continental's livery.
No ata 757I remember hearing them take off from midway back in the day when they flew 57s there. I lived a couple miles away.
>>1559085Finally, Pan Am took a long scroll
Don't know if this was already posted here but I remember watching/hearing the ads of this one early in the morning before going to school. I still can't find the exact one but have this one instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9xifaJxpmoI even remember watching in Youtube some take-off videos, playing FSX with a CRJ 200 with the decals and drawing some of their planes.
>>1550162With the rise of Aero-celebs over internet, feel like this company could survive in pre-Pandemic era. I'd assume it went bust due to Economic Crash of 2008?
>>1584283it went bust because "flag carrier" and "dysfunctional landlocked economic basket case country" don't go together.you want SOE in a money pit like unsustainable dino juice burning sky cagerism, you need a well funded state and a large middle class that can afford regular air travel
Got to see these up close. My dad was a A/P at the hanger next to their ramp at Love Field when Legend shut down. They stored the planes there until sold. Beautiful jets. The airline only lasted like 8 months.
>>1584629>GaanOH GOD OH FUCK
>>1555898At least SFB is a comfy airport.
First plane I ever got on was some kind of Boeing by Hapag Lloyd. Must have been somewhere around 1997 or 1998
>>1584723As it turns out, we gaan't.
Not defunct but the ugliest damn lively ever!My dad was A/P for spirit. Got to see this as a teen and my first words about it was WTF?!
>>1585051spirit had MD-80s?
>>1585451Back in the early 2000's yeah this this was the standard livery circa 2001. They retired the 92nd 80s around 2005
>>1585574This was the md 80s in 2004 just before retirement
>>1544476If aircraft drop 100 feet through turbulence and turbulence is pretty common on flights, why do they never experience a 100 foot drop into turbulence when they're only 100 foot off the ground?
>>1585941An immediate 100 foot drop in flight is not at all common.
>>1585941clear air turbulence has sometimes gathered near the end of runwaysbut has only wrecked a couple of aircraft
>>1544476I miss ansett. it really seems like australia just doesn't have room for two profitable airlines sometimes.
>>1544476>>1550162>>1551237>>1560994Any company that uses a lambda as an A deserves to go bankrupt.
But surprised Eastern not here yet
>doesnt crash>serves real food>bag allowances that would make you think gas is cheap
>>1592045*blocks your path*
>>1592116I hate it, when that happens
>>1592973original 737 is almost as cute as the 747sp
Had a rough landing in GRU on one of these, 20 years ago during a school strip.As we were approaching we went trough a strong thunderstorm. For most of us it was the first time flying and a lot of the kids started to cry.My friend and I were just tossing shit up to see if they would "float in the air" while the turbulence tossed the plane down.
>>1593355Not posting this image instead. You had one job...
>>1593359afterburner on a md11 is a bit overkill
did ansett ever own any 744s? the only 747 variant ive seen from them are 743s.
>>1544491>there is an alternate timeline where TWA lived and used the 744 as the backbone of its international fleet
>>1547563>What is Tower Air 103 anon?
>>1594622Tower Air never had a crash
>>1594636>never a fatal crashFTFY
>>1594636>>1594750AIR JAMAICA WITH NOT ONE ACCIDET INCIDENT OR CRASH DABBING ON ALL INFERIO5R AIRLINES