Is Ben Shapiro right? Ben Shapiro is a classically trained and accomplished Violinist, he also has as Bachelors in Political Science and a JD(Juris Doctor) Degree from Harvard Law, He is one of the most respected commentators in media today.
>>118330049He kinda rage baited everyone ngl. Who gives af whether he calls it music or not. Its just a label. Obviously rap is a form of art and expression, and it inspires ideas and emotions in me when i listen to it, so idc if he doesnt wanna call it music. To me theres not enough difference to consider it just audio- its grouped in with other songs and music
His job is literally saying outrageous things for attention. He doesn't actually believe this
>>118330049>He is one of the most respected commentators in media today.doubt. rap is music, but that doesn't mean it's always good music. next.
>>118330049>Ben Shapiro is a classically trained and accomplished ViolinistHe was forced into it as a kid and hasn't even played much since then. His relationship to music is like a child actor or little league pitcher.
>Well, rap is not music for one thing. I mean, it isn't music, you know, it's talking. That's what is says: "rap." "Rap" means "talking." It's not music, it's talking in meter, it's got rhyme, and it's got...it has meter, it has rhythm. It's not music. It's...you know, it's okay. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it, I have no problem with it. It just isn't music, you know. And people who get to be great at rap are not great musicians, they're just great at rap, you know. There's no road from rapping into music, you know what I mean? And, music is something you can get better and better and better at. I don't know if you can do that with rap. I don't know if whether it has that kind of space in it or that it leads into infinite possibilities. Music does.
>>118330049His sister insanely attractive.
>>118330049It's not big on melody, especially of the original variety, but still music. Just like nursery rhymes are technically music.
>>118330158Shapiro states real music is defined as having Harmony Rhythm, and Melody. Rap is spoken word with rhyme and rhythm and in it's base form has no element of harmony and or melody.
>>118330313yeah i've heard the bit, it's just not true or musicologically sound. percussion ensembles with no vibrophones or xylophones are music, also, rap usually does have a melody, albeit a very simple one
>>118330049Ben Shapiro trolls people effortlessly They think they can resist the bait but they can't.They see his smug face and it's all over
okay, but can he make good music?fucking theoryfags at it again holy shit
>>118330281>rap - talking - not music>rock - moving from side to side in a regular way - not music>pop - going somewere quickly/dancing - not music>country - self explanatory - not music
>>118330823Why would you post that image?
>>118330844i know kevin is fat and bald but you don't need to dismiss him like that
>>118330049Take the post-modern pill and just except that defintions to words are arbitrary. Don't care if that sounds Jewish, it's the correct stance to have.
is he right?
>>118330989That quote is longer than The Talmud It is a nice song though I don't really care about the asinine sentiment
>>118330989I'm not religious, so I'd probably disagree with him somewhere in this post.
>>118330449Shapiro can only "troll" the most retarded and unprepared college leftists who bother to show up to his speeches, a situation he has full control over. Every single time he's ever tried to have an intellectual discussion or debate with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, including conservatives, he can never hold his own.
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>>118330823And said artistic intent is decided upon by the listener
>>118331071This implies an artist can't be their own critic.
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>>118331152Yeah it's a bad definition, total nonsense even.
>>118330823Music comes from the Muses. Anything else is a pale imitation or doesn't count.>In the early morning hours of May 7, 1965, a bleary-eyed Keith Richards awoke, grabbed a tape recorder and laid down one of the greatest pop hooks of all time: The opening riff of “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction.” He then promptly fell back to sleep.
>>118331152No it doesn't, the artist always critiques their own music. He's saying that the artist creates noise, and the critic/listener gives it value. Without the artist, there is nothing to critique; without the critic, the music is just noise.
>>118330049I've been seeing this silly topic pop up way to frequently here lately. If we go by the classic definition of music as being numbers in time, it most definitely is. But my question to everybody is at what point does something in fact cease to be music? How about if we start by inverting the numbers above and/or below the range of hearing of all living things. How about if we next make the numbers infinitely large. Then we make the numbers imaginary numbers. How about if we next make the numbers travel backwards in time instead of forwards. How about if we make the numbers travel backwards in time before the start of time. How about we next make it so that the numbers become the time and the time becomes the numbers. Next how about we divide all of this by zero. [spoiler]Then on top of all that we tune A to 440hz, Also, The Game [/spoiler]
>>118331286Show me where he elaborates on his position.
Here’s a better question: if rap isn’t music, but people listen to it and enjoy it in the same fashion as actual music, then why does the distinction even matter?Answer: it doesn’t. Whether or not rap is music is arbitrary and doesn’t change its impact on culture.
>>118331472>then why does the distinction even matter?Just to point out that they could do better. Same reason why mudhuts aren't to be admired over cathedrals and skyscrapers.>>118331472>Answer: it doesn’t.This is true at the same time. I don't care if people want to devolve. Not my problem, in the end.
this guy rules because literally only bummy busted twitter people ever talk about him and no other living humans. like he can just sustain an entire small media company on seethe and ridge wallet reads
>>118331472Rap has a dominantly negative impact on all cultures
>>118331746What current genre(s) of music have a positive impact? Popular music was always rooted in degeneracy, this isn’t unique to rap.
>>118331350numbers in time just form sounds, it's not music. numbers are just the structure of sound. Numbers in time is not a classical definition of music, it's an archaic and obsolete definition.
>>118331831Gospel Music, Classical Music, Country Music, Hair band love ballads, Grunge/Alternative Rock, Classic Rock, soft Rock, Heavy Metal, Nu-Metal, Christian Hip Hop, Christian Rock, 80s Pop, J-Pop, Japanese Video Game Music, Japanese fighting Game Music , Anime theme songs ...all of these genres are dominantly positiive.
>>118330049I agree with Ben. Rap music is trash. It can be funny and amusing at times but at the end of the day it is disposable trash.
no
>>118330049He’s also a giant pussy nerd
>>118332099He's a King with a degree in Political Science JD Law Degree from Harvard.
>>118330089>rap is a form of art and expressionThen me taking a loud turd is objectively better than rap.
>>118332155That’s exactly what I said
>>118330049He objectively is wrong, I don't care for Ben but it is clear that it is indeed music. Maybe in the beginning it was samples, but even then the samples were used to make music, there are plenty of people who actually know how to play their instruments. What do you think the producers are there for? Maybe the argument could be made that rappers aren't musicians in the purest sense of the word because they are speaking, but then that would make them storytellers and kind of like spirit men who are a medium for poetry. Rap is music, maybe not the same way rock or metal is music, but it is still music.
>>118330049https://youtu.be/GUoi-JCkG5Y?si=CVLp2Gn4352rgxrR
>>118330281>>118330049>>118332403>>118332250>>118332213>>118332182>>118332155>>118332099>>118332017>>118331993>>118331970>>118331874>>118331831>>118331831>>118331746>>118331587>>118331490>>118331472>>118331360>>118331350>>118331286>>118331226>>118331211>>118331188>When asked to express his thoughts on hip hop, the metal legend had the following to say:>"Why should I do that when it's not music... There's nothing creative about doing that [rapping] over music someone else created. They go out and take John Bonham's drumming. I don't call that music. You think they [rappers] could come up with sounds of their own, even some basic sounds and they can't do it. Sad."
>2023>there are still people getting filtered by rap
>>118332981>Peggy wrote a better song about this one comment than Lemmys entire careerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWP1hgwX75E
>>118332981At the end of the day it was an opinion. It is an opinion that I disagree with, but that is his opinion.
>>118330049sure, if you trust something that a Harvard Jew says.>the absolute state of conservatism
>>118330989he's right about the song being retarded but he is too mad and it makes his arguments weaker
>>118330049>He is one of the most respected commentators in media todaylol
>>118330049>Ben Shapiro is a classically trained and accomplished Violinist, he also has as Bachelors in Political Science and a JD(Juris Doctor) Degree from Harvard LawYou could not make him sound like more of a faggot if you tried.
>>118330989i am not reading all of that
God he's so scared of black people
>>118333833It's true. He's also one of the most disrespected commentators in media today. Anyone with a big reach is going to be both.
>>118330989it's a moving song. objectively. even the lyrics which gets almost all the attention for supposedly being bad, are kind of clever. people just mad it's got a commie message. but it's presented nicely and rationally, unlike rage against the machine which sucks.
>>118331472>why does the distinction even matter?Makes people who hate it feel valid.It also invalidates black peoples' cultural contribution and lower them by association; it's the same reason /pol/ shitposters are obsessed with calling it and any tangential pop degenerate.Other music genres went through the same shit.Fucking DOOWOP and jazz were insanely offensive to the boomers and squares of the day.Made the white kids hang out with the black kids to enjoy the same music and realize they weren't so bad.Fucking wild. People will make the same observation in 50 years
>>118330313>Shapiro states real music is defined as having Harmony Rhythm, and Melody.he's a classically trained violinist, he should know that this definition excludes solos lol (be it drum solos, violin solos, or vocal solos). it's a contrarian opinion that doesn't hold any value in actual musical discourse other than to say "le rap bad!">Rap is spoken word with rhyme and rhythm and in it's base form has no element of harmony and or melody.rapping is spoken word with rhyme and rhythm sure but when people talk about rap music, they are talking about the whole musical experience, not just the person rapping. if you want to say a rap acappella is "not music" then sure go for it (you'd still be wrong) but a rap song, assuming the rapper isn't also singing, like a lot of modern rappers do, has melodies and harmonies built into the instrumental
>>118332981Lots of rappers make their own beats. Even so, that would also be no different than a singer singing over an instrumental they didn’t make. Is that not music? Ignorant take
>>118330049Ben Shapiro needs to get his head shoved in a toilet forever
>>118331057please stop posting him, his face alone is enough for me to lose it and uncontrollably laugh fuck help, ahaha
MY WIFE’S VAGINA IS BONE DRY
>>118330049>most respected commentators in media todayNot true, and your whole comment is one big logical fallacy (appeal to authority). You can have a decent education and still be dead wrong, which he is on this subject. In fact, he's stating something that, based on his own credentials, he knows isn't true. Hallmarks of a con-man.So, with the knowledge that he regularly states falsehoods for monetary gain, virtually everything that he might say should be completely ignored. If you happen to believe something that he regularly states with conviction, you should probably re-evaluate why you believe what you do.>>118330313>it's base formA harbinger of a poor argument. "When we apply arbitrary restrictive conditions to the subject and observe a single element out of context, I'm right". Yeah, no, that's not how it works.>>118330313>no element of harmony and or melodyThat can be said of any solo instrumental work though, especially when dealing with monophonic instruments...like most classical orchestral instruments, including the standard classical usage of the violin. Besides, plenty of rap has melodic vocal content (which is harmonious when taken in context), so, he knows he's stating something that's objectively untrue. Con-man stuff. See above.If you come to this thread stating that you agree with him, you're basically calling yourself out as having no musical knowledge. Amazing self-own on a music board.
>>118330049Why are conservatives so retarded?
>>118333852He's a Jew. They're not scared of black people. They use them to influence outcomes all the time. He's just one of the few that thinks it's a retarded idea. That more advanced civilizations should be doing more of the influencing instead. It's dumb to revel in shit when others offer so much more to the world. He won't say that in so many words, but it is what it is.
>>118330989unironically based
>>118330989>>118337679tl;dr Lennon was a literal bastard. There's a reason why society stigmatized them for thousands of years. Only modern society is dumb enough to give them a voice.Speaking of which, most rappers are also bastards. And 4chan.
>there's no melody and harmony it can't be music!Drummers btfo'd, not musicians confirmed
>>118337855Music completely centered on percussion is ooga booga tier, and regresses man back to "muh dick" stage. Whites are just self-hating bitches, and aren't proud of their families or cultures (if they have any), which is why rap is popular with them now.
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>>118330989What a load of hyperbole and strawman arguments.I mean yeah Imagine is a hippie-dippie rose-tinted commie song, but his arguments are reading way too much into something stated with a grandiose simplicity.This guy just lacks style, he's a mediocre circus debater.Lennon saying "imagine all the people living for today" doesn't necessarily mean hey let's all live like psychopaths, without planning for any future.It's more of a feeling, it's about living without worries for a job, for what you're going to eat tomorrow, without being a slave to future planning. Because this is what's eating people inside, they keep running on today's hamster wheel in the hope they will finally get that happy moment that will make it all worth it.And the song wants you to forget all that, even if it's just a dream.In the end, it's a psychological/artistic thought experiment. And this jew makes it about Democrats vs Republicans. What a small-minded hebrew, everything must be as concrete and specific as possible, like in the Talmud.
>>118337885So percussion denotes masculinity and by nature of being monophonic, rugged individualism. Harmony and melody denote femininity, and harmony requires compromise and deferment of the wants of the individual in favor of the needs of the group.Harmony and melody are commie shit.
>>118330281Based and Jerpilled
>>118337855Yeah simply producing a beat is not music.Otherwise those tribes beating drums while sacrificing a few of their own to eat later are making music and not just executing a ritual that needs some thunder to sound more ominous and scary.
>>118338246There's no harmony and generally no melody when playing a violin solo too, retard.
>>118330989Lennon is based for trolling the squares this hard even their bent, rhombus children are seething.
>>118338215>So percussion denotes masculinity and by nature of being monophonic, rugged individualism.If you really wanted to be masculine, you'd fight those who tell you that everything is equal. To know that your arts and advancements and entire civilization are objectively better, not merely different. Better. And you'd force your superiority on the world instead of being mentally dominated by monkeys.
>>118331226>John Singer SargentGreat artist. Impeccable taste in cunny.
>>118338333>no melody when playing a violin soloLol wtf that's literally all it isThey can also create their own harmony if they're not shit
>>118338333There are tonal changes and that's what defines something musical from non-musical. A tonal shift expresses a feeling, a mood. The beat of a drum rarely produces changes in pitch, there's a very limited range of tonal expression through drum beats.There are indeed some kinds of percussion instruments like the Caribbean steel drums that can play a high range of notes, but those are basically like percussive cimbals, you might as well hit the chords of a guitar with little hammers and claim you're getting notes percussively.Anyway simple drum beating is not music and in most cases there are barely any tonal shifts in beats to be called musical.
Why are we constantly having this discussion? Like CONSTANTLY constantly?
>>118338552https://youtu.be/HgPiMQ2xVkc?si=sl_ddEb3n1bGmZJU
>>118338579so he can point at all the /pol/ bait threads he made and then whine about people replying to them
>>118338407yup chuds seething nonstop 43 years now... john just chilling. yoko continuing to create cool art.
>>118338579It's the number 1 pressing issue. To nig or not to nig.
>>118338655>john just chilling.He was dadless. He never had rest.Has nothing to do with chuds. Chuds are dadless too.
>>118338660If you're as Aryan as you claim you would've known the answer a while ago and moved on with your life.
>>118330049Even a broken clock is right once a day
>>118338407That is the music of the squares. Imagine is the perfect globalist elitist song, an anthem for champagne socialists.
>>118331031Read this thread again, his mere existence cause seething on a scale not previously thought possible
>>118330049Trust fund babies don't have correct opinions about anything
>>118330049How can you listen to this masterpiece and not consider it music?https://youtu.be/FRulIMj9AOw?si=1RZBG4UEDnsmn5_d
