Metalheads hate anything with the slightest bit of punk influence. They hate hardcore/ post-hardcore and emo just as much, if not more. They will always say its because it's whiny and gay, when a lot of them are somehow also into glam metal from the 80s

>>116532399
It sounds 'fake' especially the vocals lots of times.
Also pretty formulaic.
I've heard songs from about half the bands you posted

>>116532399
Metalcore is not metal

>>116532399
Had high hopes for metalcore but in the end it turned out to be disappointing, formulaic and derivative with very few exceptions. The genre has not much to offer to ppl who alrdy know their metal and seems more like entry level stuff to ease new ppl into harder music. Is that bad? No. Is it for me? No.

>>116532536
>The genre has not much to offer to ppl who alrdy know their metal and seems more like entry level stuff to ease new ppl into harder music.

Couldn’t disagree more there is a reason metalcore has evolved into a main sub genre with several branching off shoots also try giving this a listen maybe you’ll like it https://youtu.be/9mHhFrdnT44

90's metalcore is good. The new stuff is shit and that doesn't make me an elitist for not liking it.

>>116532498
>post-hardcore and emo
I like both of those but I don't like them when fused with metal

>>116532589
There are little hints of prog and post and some parts where they try to sound like sikth 10+ years ago and the rest is the same feelsies hardcore. It's exactly what my problem with metalcore was from the beginning, only innovating on a surface level, while forgoing anything groundbreaking for more mass appeal. I alrdy heard anything there it's just in a mix I don't like. If you picked this up 3 years ago and it carries you places fine for you but don't be sad that ppl listening to niche metal for 10+ years aren't wowed by that.

>>116532399
Just look at you picture and then look at an 80s metal band and you will have your answer. It's far too detached from the traditional metal aesthetic.
>>116532498
It's not the punk influence that's the problem, it's how distant from traditional metal culture it is. It's too cleaned up and emo-ish. Glam metal is far more in line with traditional metal than metalcore.

>>116532498
I like Big Black and Agnostic Front desu. Also GISM,Charged GBH,Poison Arts.

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>>116532498
80s hardcore and crossover is for chads. Modern metalcore is pure wankery.

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>>116532498
you are retarded

>>116532399
>Why do metal elitists automatically write off metalcore
Polaris and ERRA are great
Architects is meh
Northlane has one good song and Alien as an album is meh to good

it's mostly because metal elitists are gay because being an anything-elitist is super fucking gay
like the music that you like and shut the fuck up about it. I like some Veil of Maya and Periphery but I just don't tell anyone

Cuz it sucks including those bands

I fell into the elitist trap for a long time, but in hindsight metal has stagnated for at least a decade while coreshit has continued to evolve. So now I'm of the mind that genre doesn't matter at all, as long as you do something interesting.

>>116532589
if that's the best you could come up with then metalcore is in an even worse state than I thought

>>116532399
I'm not a fan of older stuff but actually like a bunch of new metalcore, turns out all it needed was a bit of progwank

>>116532399
I like metalcore but some of those bands are kinda cheesy. The only recent metalcore I like is Loathe now that I think about it. The rest is all bands that peaked 10-20 years ago

>>116532498
Wrong, thrash came from punk/hardcore influences fused with NWOBHM. Modern metalcore is just a bastardization of extreme metal styles with pop sounding melodies and simplified song structures, not to mention the most idiotic breakdown sections. It sounds disingenuous to metal fans.

>>116532498
nobody likes glam

>>116534713
>coreshit has continued to evolve
Has to be gpt generated, no one could think this unironically

>>116532635
crazyyy bc i hate both of them and think metalcore is alright

>>116532498
normie pseud tourist take. kill yourself

https://youtu.be/OMGeZkhi9JA metalcore is kinda good if you listen to the right stuff

>>116532498
Wrong about punk, hardcore punk, crust, grindcore, deathgrind, and probably more I can't think of right now

>>116535994
We hate literally all of that, fuck off poser

>>116534724
nta, and I generally don't like the "cores", but here's two more interesting examples, to me (but maybe worse examples of the genre).

https://youtu.be/Z4ITfv38Yo4
https://youtu.be/gfL2mV94F-0

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>>116532399
>Why do metal elitists....
Blah blah blah, seethe and cope lmao

>>116536369
>We

it's the pop influences
if metalcore actually sounded like what it describes itself as, it wouldn't be bad
https://youtu.be/zHve_Bhql9k

>>116532399
Because it sucks. It's not what I want metal to sound like. What's so hard to understand about that?
>>116532498
Wrong and stupid. Punk influence has nothing to do with it, thrash wouldn't exist without punk and Motorhead is one of the most beloved metal bands ever and they sound alot like punk. Metalcore just has different sensibilities and as such different fanbases. Also metalcore suck fucking ass.

>>116532498
Thrash has a huge punk influence
Kill Em All is basically a punk album with better guitar work

>>116532399
I don't consider myself an "elitist", but I do write off metalcore. If you want to know why it comes down to some things
>A.
I don't like hardcore music at all, and it's a fusion genre of hardcore and metal. Same reason I don't like nu metal
>B.
It doesn't have the same values or aesthetics I enjoy from metal music, the attitude and vibe of the music is way different and doesn't have the same appeal at all
C.
Even shit that leans more on metal than hardcore just often sounds like a dumbed down remedial grade version of metal, which it kind of is by nature, so it doesn't appeal to me on an instrumental level

>>116538220
Thrash has punk influence but I agree with people who say punk tries to take too much credit. I still can't listen to Kill Em All next to Black Flag and think "wow this sounds like the same thing", so yeah no I don't think it owes everything to punk. If anything, it sounds more like a more aggressive version of NWOBHM.

Hardcore punk bands couldn't play their instruments, thrash bands could, so yeah it didn't all come from hardcore like punks like to claim.