>metal has a big 4What are the big X from other genres?(X signifies an unknown number)
>>112807430It should be the big 3. No one gives a fuck about Anthrax.
Prog:YesKing CrimsonGenesisELP (will be heavily debated between this, Jethro Tull, or Pink Floyd)
Sure Rust in Peace is great but Slayer's five album run shit all over Megadeth's discography
>>112807430Why is it Anthrax instead of Exodus?
>>112807775Peace Sells also rapes all of those
seattle grunge big 4 is nirvana, alice in chains, pearl jam, soundgarden
The big 4 scenes of RusIndie Saint Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Izhevsk, Siberia (sorry Moscowfags but besides Sergey Kalugin and Zvuki Mu there isn't much)
>>112807430The Three Bs of classical music: Bach, Beethoven, Brahms. It's a load of crap though, and obviously this was invented by a critic who supported Brahms.
>>112807976this is retarded. bach is baroque and brahms is romantic not classical
>>112807785because kirk left exodus and thrash metal is named after an anthrax song
Big 4 of Death MetaCannibal Corpse, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Suffocation
big 4 of pornogrind: prostethic cunt...
>>112808059I think he's using classical as a blanket term. Either way Brahms doesn't belong there
>>112807430That's thrash metal, not metal (all)
Anthrax fucking sucksMetallica is only worthwhile on their first twoMegadeth is consistent but average at bestSlayer is king but I wouldn't represent them as a key player in the thrash genre
>>112809529Thrash metal is metal. Anything else is subpar.
>>112807502speak for yourself faggot anthrax is awesome
>>112809595>Slayer is king but I wouldn't represent them as a key player in the thrash genrewtf why not? literally one of the most significant bands in thrash
>>112809663whoa bro, you weren't supposed to take "bring the noise" literally
Kind of BlueLove Supreme Black Priestmaybe Moanin or Time Out or Ah Um
>>112807768ELP deserve it without a doubt. Pink Floyd were not very proggy, they revolved more around the sounds and atmosphere in the songs and were too mainstream I'd say. Jethro are good but don't have a lot of great albums, just two.
>>112807430thrash metal is the only metal
>>112809724If someone were to ask me that they want to get into thrash, I sure would not recommend them Slayer. The presumption is thrash isn't far down the rabbit hole when it comes to metal, so it's assumed that he has never listened to metal, not even classics like Sabbath. To not "frighten" said person, I would recommend Metallica or Megadeth instead because topic and technical wise, Slayer is much edgier (and that's a good thing).
>thrash metal is the only metal
kpop big 3 (companies)SMYGJYP
>>112807430metal doesn't have a big 4, thrash metal does.>>1128077851. it's based on sales numbers2. exodus SUCK>>112808479>suffocation over Deathyou're not qualified to speak on death metal
ClassicalBeethovenMozartTchaikovsky BachNot my personal favorites, but they paves the way for others, making them the big 4.
:Grunge:NirvanaAlice in ChainsSoundgardenPearl Jam
IDM:Aphex TwinAutechre Boards of CanadaPlaidKrautrock:CanNeuFaustAmon DuulBritpop:BlurSuedeOasisPulpShoegaze:MbvSlowdive Ride???
Hot take: big four is a stupid concept to unnecessarily pigeonhole four things, not letting other bands get their own spotlight
>>112807502It should be the big 1. No one gives a fuck about Anthrax, Slayer, or Metallica.
>>112808479I understand why suffocation is here, they are THE original BDM band, but I'd replace them with death in a big 4 list. CC, MA, Obituary, and death is the only correct answer.
>>112811496This>>Metallica is a bad thrash band after the 80s; they should've just stick with hard rock>>Slayer is the same every song>>Who cares about AnthraxMegadeth is the best
>>112811245When is eddie going to kill himself
>>112811261For shoegaze I guess early Verve or The Boo Radleys?
>>112811530Even megadeth is bad now though. Metal is just a wasteland of fallen giants and vultures on their corpses
>>112811436You mean like how the term "genre" is nothing but a marketing term used to differentiate itself from other products?
>>112807430Waylon JenningsWillie NelsonMerle HaggardKris Kristoferson
>>112809663redbull me on anthrax. i only know madhosue from playing gta but it was pretty badass
>>112811572How can Master of Puppets ever recover from that meme?
>>112810159fair enough i see what you mean
Hard Rock's big four:Led ZeppelinDeep PurpleScorpionsRainbow
>>112811776where the fuck is AC/DC
>>112811547I was gonna say swervedriver but verve might be it
>>112811572>megadeth is bad now thoughunited abominations, endgame, dystopia and TSTATD disagreealso,>that picthrought the album Kirk uses>minor pen>natural minor scale>phrygian scale>dorian scale >arpeggios, including sweeping
>>112811581At least genres help differentiate between music styles and scenesWhat point does "big four" have?
>>112812129Endgame is the only decent one out of the ones you mentioned. Dystopia and TSTATD are both generic garbage.>throught the album Kirk usesEvery soulless shredder uses all of these and their music is still soulless. Every soulful shredder uses them too.
>>112812579>Every soulless shredder uses all of these and their music is still soulless. Every soulful shredder uses them too.that's not the point retard. the meme was implying that Kirk only uses minor pentatonics, when that's clearly false to anyone with a working set of earsalso 80's kirk is peak souful shredding
Hardcore: Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Dead Kennedys
Black Metal: Mayhem, Emperor, Darkthrone, Immortal
Britpop: Oasis, Blur, Pulp, Suede
Hair Metal: Mötley Crüe, Poison, Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi (not selected based on quality)
Trip-Hop: Massive Attack, Portishead, Tricky, DJ Shadow
>>112813053>Guns N' Roses i get that they're from the same era and area, but they're clearly very different from hair metal bands. Those other bands all steal Van Halen riffs and solos, meanwhile Slash soloing and riffing style is more like Jimmy Page on steroids
Talking HeadsXTCDevoOingo Boingo
>>112813053make way for based Ratt in that list, bruh
KornLinkin ParkLimp BizkitSlipknot
>>112813080No, I see them as a very clear outgrowth of glam metal. By the late 80s glam metal had begun to split between pop metal and sleaze, which highlighted opposite elements of the sound. The pop metal bands toned down the glam aspects and hard rock rebelliousness, focusing more on romantic ballads - bands like Bon Jovi, Tesla, Skid Row, and Mr. Big. The sleaze bands went in the exact opposite direction, getting heavier and nastier, and the most important sleaze band was GNR. Faster Pussycat is another good example of that style. IMO, GNR are much closer to what bands like Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, Ratt, and Hanoi Rocks were doing than Bon Jovi were. GNR were a perfect representation of the Sunset Strip scene, but I think they might have helped kill it because no one else could keep up with them, so they made the rest of the genre basically seem wimpy and obsolete.
>>112807430Black Metal>Darkthrone>Mayhem>Emperor >Burzum Modern Death Metal>Gatecreeper>Blood Incarnation >Undeath>Portal Classic Death Metal>Cannibal Corpse >Entombed>Morbid Angel>DeathEmo Revival >A Brave Little Abacus >Snowing>Algernon Cadwallader>The Hotelier Metallic Hardcore>Converge>Dillenger Escape Plan>Botch>Everytime I dieMetalcore>Killswitch Engage>All that Remains >Bullet for my Valentine>Asking Alexandria Pop punk>Blink 182>Sum 41>Taking Back Sunday>My Chemical Romance
>>112813053I fucking hate Bon Jovi and the world needs to know.
>>112813173someone post the thing
>>112813166>>SnowingHoly fuck have not heard this band since early 2010s-ish
>>112813196They just did a reunion show like 2 or 3 weeks ago in Philly
>>112813141sure but not one of those other bands had the kind of two guitar assault and tight grooves of GnR. I'm telling you man, there's a clear difference in style. I get what you're saying about there being a more raw, gritty version of the LA glam sound, but to me, GnR sounds much more like british hard rock taken up to 11 than hair metal.Indeed I remember seeing a quote from Slash saying that he quit GnR because Axl wanted to sound more like Nirvana and NiN, but "I just wanted to play in a louder version of the Stones".
>>112813166I have to make little criticisms of some of these. I can't really understand choosing Burzum instead of Immortal. I actually like Burzum more, but I'd say Immortal is actually a more significant band. Your "classic death metal" picks are a little chaotic. Morbid Angel and Death should definitely be there, but if you're going for general classic death, you almost need to include Possessed. If you have Cannibal Corpse, I can't really understand leaving off the other major new york brutal band, Suffocation. It seems like if Morbid Angel and Death are there, then there's a glaring omission with their scenemates Obituary and maybe Deicide. And if you're going to talk about Entombed for Swedish death metal, that makes the absence of the rest of the Swedish scene striking (At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, etc.).>Emo RevivalThe Hotelier are a really strange inclusion, since the other bands are all Cap'n Jazz imitations, while The Hotelier come from the world of Modern Baseball. Plus "the Wave" bands are starkly missing (Touche Amore, La Dispute, etc.)You're calling metalcore "metallic hardcore" and then ceding the genre name to melodic metalcore and trancecore scene bands, which is odd.Choosing Taking Back Sunday over Fall Out Boy and Green Day is incredibly weird.
>>112813242>If you have Cannibal Corpse, I can't really understand leaving off the other major new york brutal band, Suffocation.cannibal corpse sells more and is more famous, i guess.>if you're going to talk about Entombed for Swedish death metal, that makes the absence of the rest of the Swedish scene striking (At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, etc.).that's a different genre though. Entombed is old school swedish death metal, along with Grave, Unleashed and Dismember. At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity. In Flames (and later Arch Enemy) are melodic death metal, aka "the gothenburg sound"
>>112813225There's definitely a big blues element, but I think you're overlooking how much of their sound comes straight from American bands that were influenced by the Stones, like the New York Dolls and Aerosmith. Those bands were major influences on glam metal in general, and I would actually say GNR was truer to what those bands were doing than the rest of the scene.
>>112813242I was gonna add a separate spot for the more hardcore rooted emo revival bands.Obviously would be>Touche Amore>La Dispute >Title fight >DefeaterThe rest of your critique is valid. I don't like to consider metalcore bands like Converge to be related with the more melodic scene kid stuff like Bullet and all that remains. Also I fucking hate Green Day and FOB so I intentionally ommited them.
Anthrax is secretly the best of the four. Don't tell faggot megadeth plebs.
>>112813242Oh and there's simply too many great old school DM bands to narrow it down to 4 so I just picked my favorites.
>>112813286yeah, i can agree with you on that one. which i guess reinforces my point - GnR's sound is more old school.
The only big four that matters.
>>112813291Fair, those are good picks for that era of more post-hardcore style bands. I got the feeling that's what you were doing for the pop punk part. I actually agree with your taste choices, I can't stand Green Day, but if we're going for big 4's I think you have to give lip service to their importance (and maybe The Offspring, who I also dislike). I have a lot of feelings around metalcore because I love Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan, and bands like them like High Tension, Harm's Way, etc., and I intensely fucking hate the melodic bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Atreyu, Killswitch Engage, and all that, so I despise that they're given the same broad genre name. So in terms of taste preferences, I can sympathize.
>>112813336surely you meant to put As I Lay Dying and All that Remains there over Trivium and A7X, right?
>>112813347I was a scene kid who got into bands like Converge (and extreme metal) because of Avenged Sevenfold's Waking the Fallen and other scene kid metalcore bands so they're kinda nostalgic to me. I just hate how big the metalcore umbrella is in general and I like to make the distinction between the scene kid shit and the DIY punk influenced stuff by referring to the latter as metallic hardcore instead.
>>112813369Absolutely not. As I Lay Dying is a nothing band, and everything All That Remains did, including their buttrock turn, was done better by literally every other band in that style.
>>112813336Those first 3 shadows fall albums are so fucking good dude. I can't believe I had forgotten about that band.
>>112807502literally came here to say this. I've never in my life met someone that was like "oh yeah I fucking LOVE Anthrax!"inb4 you get triggered
>>112813446>As I Lay Dying is a nothing band,better riffs, better vocals than A7X and is easily more popular than trivium
>>112813449i actually think shadows fall were hurt and forgotten by time because they just a really, really good metal band instead of being a gimmick core band their competition.When you look at it, The War Within sounds a lot more like an uptaded version of Master of Puppets than it sounds like Alive or Just BreathingAlso Jon Donais is 100% the most underrated guitarist in the history of american metal
>>112813489Also boring as sin. As if an AI generated a melodic metalcore band. No soul or charm at all!
>>112811539He's the one out of the 4 I'd choose to die if Satan forced me to choose, bro is mad evil keepin Eddie alive like that
>>112813504They beat some of the other bands to the punch with the Metallica worship, and did it the best!
>>112812055I considered it but felt like it was a little bit too DnB to fit. Jenkinson is great tho
>>112813166>Taking Back SundaySurely you must have meant Green Day.
>>112809819>pretending that ELP have a iota of influence compared to floyd. we're talking about the biggest names of a genre, not the ones who can jerk off scales the most
>>112811539Two more weeks.
>>112812962Kirk is literally a soulless discount version of dave, he literally plays all of dave's solos in KEA but without any of the feeling and energy that dave puts into them
>>112807430>Big 4I always thought this was fucking cringe, there's only two as far as I'm concerned and that's Metallica and Megadeth. Anthrax and Slayer were always just forced in with marketing, their shit mostly sucks (except Dave Lombardo). Pantera would make it a Big 3 if they were from that era, but I'm glad they weren't. Only other band that ever got close to being the top metal band besides Metallica is Lamb of God maybe, Trivium would have been up there too I guess.
>>112807430*thrash metal has a big 4 not metal
>>112807430That’s just thrash, not all metal.
>>112811530>>Metallica is a bad thrash band after the 80smegadeth had like 1 good album in the 80's
>Nu MetalKornLimp BizkitSlipknotLinkin Park>Hair MetalMotley CrueRattPoisonBon Jovi
>>112811675by remembering that RIP is the only truly good megadeth album
>>112808059Another retard who doesn't understand classical music =/= classical period...
>>112813336Only waking the fallen and stst fit there, a7x changed genre afterWould they still fit a big 4 if only 2 album,
>>112807430Classic Metal:Black SabbathJudas PriestIron Maidennot sure what 4th would be
>>112809595>Metallica is only worthwhile on their first four>Megadeth is not consistent but incredible at best >Slayer is king and i would represent them as a key player in the thrash genreftfy
>>112817478i really want to say them, i fucking love motörheadbut technically they arent metalextremely influential for the scene, though
>actual substantive discussion
>>112814187absolute shit tasteyou should never ever speak about metal again
Slowcore:LowRed House PaintersCodeineGalaxie 500
>>112811547>>112811261>>112811960Chapterhouse for shoegaze
lol big 4 of 90s japanese noise / sound terrorism: yamantaka eye, otomo yoshihide, masami akita, maso yamazakileaving out guys like haino bc they older/diff gen
>>112811602Fistful Of Metal is a great album.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxwLY5SguYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOhtXuC5xgSpreading The Disease is unironically the 2nd best album of the Big 4 after Rust In Peace, which is Megadeth's only excellent album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7qs40KJBMMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SwGXuYiPRcThe first half of Among The Living is also 10/10.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ta5ahB-6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwkBO_w2qcSo Anthrax have 3 good albums compared to the other three bands only having 1 each.
>>112813053No Van Halen?
(My) New Wave Big 4:BlondieTalking HeadsElvis CostelloDevo
>>112809595>Metallica is only worthwhile on their first twoFinally someone who shares my opinion. MoP only has three good songs and even the weakest song in RtL shits all over them
>>112824795>Spreading The Disease is unironically the 2nd best album of the Big 4 after Rust In Peace, which is Megadeth's only excellent album.shut the fuck up nigger i love that album but it's a huge pile of steaming shit compared to Ride the Lightning or South of Heaven
>>112825972>South of Heavenrofl
>>112826024if you think hell awaits is better i respect your opinion, if you say reign in blood or seasons i'll tell you to suck a dick
>>112825972Ride the Lightning is mid but is still the only other good Metallica album after Kill Em All. South of Heaven is actively bad and the only good Slayer album is Show No Mercy, Reign in Blood had one good track on it.
>>112826640suck a dick
>>112807430The big 4 of nu metal
>>112826940>a pop rock band that's barely part of the genre>a widely mocked one hit wonder>two bands I've never heard of in a mainstream genre literally without an underground scenehuh, interesting
>>112827010>>a pop rock band that's barely part of the genreWhat? Do you mean Linkin Park? Its fucking Hybrid Theory>>a widely mocked one hit wonderImagine not aknowledge all of the Papa Roach albums from Infest to Paramour Sessions (Methamorphosis was also good)>>two bands I've never heard of in a mainstream genre literally without an underground sceneDo you even listen to nu metal????? Its fucking adema
>>112824898Decent picks, and I'd definitely include Talking Heads. However, I'd push one of the others out to make room for The Police.
Top 4 UK82
>>112817675Disagree. I know the basis of the notion they're not metal - Lemmy didn't consider them metal, just rock and roll - but I don't really think that holds up, especially since Iommi doesn't consider Black Sabbath metal, just "doom rock." I think it's really uncomfortable for people to accept that they started a genre. Most of the Ramones were uncomfortable with the punk label, the DC emocore bands famously despised the term emo, Bauhaus didn't like the term goth, Tricky rejected the trip hop label, none of the Britpop or grunge bands liked their terms... the fact is, Motörhead were playing really fucking intense, heavy music, especially for their time. I know some people make the distinction that they just influenced extreme metal, but I don't buy it. Honestly, to my ears they sound more metal than about half the supposed metal bands of that era. Eddie's fast guitar, Phil's crazy drums, Lemmy's thick bass... and I get the feeling Lemmy's gravely vocal was the main inspiration for all of extreme metal "dirty" vocals
>>112827163I have to disagree. In terms of quality, totally, these are all great bands. But afaik Subhumans were never remotely UK82, and were firmly anarcho-punk. Chaos UK and Discharge were both in that sort of weird grey area between UK82 and anarcho-punk, but I would agree that Chaos UK were a key UK82 band. Discharge kinda feels like something else (maybe hence why everything following them was d-beat). But despite the fact I love the 4 bands you just posted and I hate The Exploited, I don't think you can talk about UK82 without the Exploited, since they were probably that scene's most defining band, even if they were pretty shit.
>>112811836in the trash where it belongs
>>112827277I'm split. I think the bands I mentioned define glam metal more than Def Leppard, even if I actually think all four of them are far inferior to Def Leppard. Def Leppard are the best merging of metal and pop music, probably ever, but they were British and they seem somehow a lot bigger than glam metal. Glam metal was a trashy scene that they were never part of, even if they were popular with that crowd (so were Judas Priest and Aerosmith, but I don't think that makes them glam metal either). I would say Def Leppard are the defining pop metal band, but IMO they had about as much to do with NWOBHM than glam metal. But maybe I'm just splitting hairs because I hold Def Leppard in so much higher regard than that genre.
>>112807430Black SabbathCandlemass SleepElectric wizard
Big Beat>Prodigy>Chemical Brothers>Fatboy Slim>Crystal Method
>>112809819>don't have a lot of great albums, just twoDude are you kidding?Jethro Tull has no bad albumsI just wouldn't reduce it to simply "prog"
>>112807430Dark side of the moon, in the court of the crimson king, close to the edge, and selling england by the pound for prog
Big 4 female-fronted japanese hardcore:>Midori>385>Kokeshi Doll>Bleach03Because they're the only 4 in the genre anyways, unless you count BokuIru in but that's weird.
>>112813080>meanwhile Slash soloing and riffing style is more like Jimmy Page on steroidsMore like Joe Perry. GNR owes a lot to early Aerosmith.
>>112811602Spreading the Disease and Among the Living are great albums but you can safely ignore the rest.
>>112807502JAMÓN EN EL LIVINGGG
>>112825030what about kill em all? zoomy-zoomzoom?
DSBM>Xasthur>Shining>Nocturnal Depression (sadly)>Make A Change... Kill Yourself? Trist? Hypothermia? idk
>>112810258How can you be this retarded>thrash metal doesIt's not even thrash metal you puny 15 year old tourist, it's the bay area>suffocation over DeathRight, death is awful and only have half a good record of material
>>112813449I'll never forget them because my first real concert was seeing slipknot, lamb of god, and shadow's fall and they blew everyone else away.
>>112807502replace Anthrax with Testament
>>112832076Wrong, there's also a Canadian big four and a German big fourBut only in thrash, he's right