Wind edition. What are your favorite works that prominently feature wind instruments?https://youtu.be/UovPvg4hyUMhttps://youtu.be/_PolXz9ULcQhttps://youtu.be/VUEj5q43nec>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious Thread >>108172516
Woodwinds suck cock.
>>108194071the Gould standard
>>108194054>op forgot to title>no one will find it now
>I had three teachers: my professor, my papa, and Wagner.>The Ring is perfection.
>>108194071What were they thinking?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMC9T9sk20
>>108194071>>108194221You may cringe or say whatever but...I listened to the well tempered clavier by Gould on acid and it was unreal. His humming was like a whole string section layered under the piano, it was unreal.
>>108194256Further proof Wagnerians are gay???
>What Wagner does to a mf
>>108194375He undoubtedly still hates Wagner.
>>108194420He became a Wagnerian, dont you see his Wagnerian look?
>>108194375Is this really what anti-Wagnerians look like?
which composer had the best skit /classical/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdKSr10HWs
>>108194860This is more cringe than usual.
>>108194860not clicking on this
>>108194860>gay jokes about TchaikovskyNot approved.
>>108194907how is this cringe? It's funny and accurate.
>>108194860they look like american ww2 propaganda
>>108194708If only you knew
>>108194935offended?>>108194939what are you implying?
>>108194942just looked this faggot's instagram up, his username is deleuzean_catboy and he has brainlet wojak twink doomer wojak memes on his page. how do i kill this guy in real life?
Anyone here ever written an opera?
>>108194283Don't need drugs to appreciate Gould.
What did Bach have against trumpet players?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYeubL8ZwZw
Who is the deleuze of music?
>>108195189"Don't look at the brass section. It only encourages them."- Strauss
johannes brahms is in hell for killing hans rott
>>108195313actually i think wagner said that.
>>108194054>What are your favorite works that prominently feature wind instruments?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F40X8bRxKI4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kl6o3I3eNEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQs-_kMsO_w
https://vocaroo.com/13awQBRbP5woWho can 'buzz' Ode to Joy?
>>108195973i was buzzing an ode to joy in your mom last night
>>108194283>doing drugs>>108194375can we stop talking about wagner? lets talk Sorabji
>>108196021>can we stop talking about a sissy? lets talk faggots
You should take a look at /lang/ on /int/; much better organisation than here.
>>108196080no one cares
>>108194860is there any asian performer that isnt some soulless normie?
>>108195951It's a different formulation of one of Strauss's 10 rules of conducting:> 1 Remember that you are making music not to amuse yourself, but to delight your audience.> 2 You should not perspire when conducting: only the audience should get warm.> 3 Conduct Salome and Elektra as if they were Mendelssohn: Fairy Music.> 4 Never look encouragingly at the brass, except with a brief glance to give an important cue.> 5 But never let the horns and woodwinds out of your sight. If you can hear them at all they are still too strong.> 6 If you think that the brass is now blowing hard enough, tone it down another shade or two.> 7 It is not enough that you yourself should hear every word the soloist sings. You should know it by heart anyway. The audience must be able to follow without effort. If they do not understand the words they will go to sleep.> 8 Always accompany the singer in such a way that he can sing without effort.> 9 When you think you have reached the limits of prestissimo, double the pace.>10 If you follow these rules carefully you will, with your fine gifts and your great accomplishments, always be the darling of your listeners.
>>108196109and you're no one.
>>108196143man he really hated brass and winds huh?
>>108196102I care too, you know.
>>108196172you're no one too, you know
>>108196102You seem to care enough to reply.
am i a brainlet for thinking a mozart sonata is harder than a fugue? specially the alberti bass sections?
>>108196285If you were truly indifferent, you'd just not reply.
>>108196380I wish you were a woman so I could give you a good fucking.
>Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Liszt and Wagner were all womanisersWhat's your excuse?
>>108197087bruckner and mahler weren’t and they’re literally me
>>108197112>Alma soon became resentful because of Mahler's insistence that there could only be one composer in the family and that she had given up her music studies to accommodate him. "The role of composer, the worker's role, falls to me, yours is that of a loving companion and understanding partner
>>108197315mahler was a gigasperg when it came to women. when i get back to my room i have a book with a letter from him circa his conservatory years complaining about not getting any pussy due to having autistically stringent requirements on women.
>>108197315>>108197342>You must understand that I could not bear the sight of an untidy woman with messy hair and neglected appearance. I must also admit that solitude is essential to me when I am composing; as a creative artist I require it without conditions. My wife would have to agree to my living apart from her, possibly several rooms away, and to my having a separate entrance. She would have to consent to sharing my company only at certain times, decided in advance, and then I would expect her to be perfectly groomed and well dressed ... In a word, she would need qualities that even the best and most devoted women do not possess.
>>108196287Alberti bass is based and whatever the musical equivalent of kino is. You can figure a pleasing chord progression and then play alberti bass with it while just improvising the melody.
>>108197559I too have unrealistic requirements for women, not because of autism but because of anime
What are the top 10 symphonies? I'm more of an opera guy so I can't speak with authority on the subject but I'd like to hear your opinions
>>108198201mahler symphonies 1-10 + das lied
>no /classical/ headerHow is anyone supposed to find this?
>>108198201I'll give you 10 symphonies from 10 composers instead. In no particular order of quality1. Mahler 92. Dvorak 83. Beethoven 34. Nielsen 55. Honegger 36. Enescu 37. Bruckner 78. Mozart 409. Haydn 10110. Brahms 3
>>108199059why bruckner 7 over bruckner 8
>>108199332Because there wasn't another 7 in my list. I could go for either, really
>>108199534yet you had four 3s… curious!
>>1081998423 is a cooler number than 8
>>108194071The second greatest pianist of all time
Reminder that Mozart's Fantasia in C Minor is better than all Beethoven sonatas and is one of the best solo piano pieces ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suSHZkW70c
Reminder that Petzold's Minuet in G Minor is better than all Bach suites and is one of the best solo keyboard pieces ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg
>>108194942Lol wtf I've known of this queer for ages, everyone on instagram makes fun of him as an insufferable pseud faggot. had no idea he was a /classical/ tripfag
>>108201252who exactly is this everyone on instagram
>>108196143>>108196170I think the brass comments have to do with how the instruments are placed in the orchestra too. As a conductor you're standing closest to the strings and if it's a large orchestra the brass will be seated much further away from you. But the sound of the brass will travel out in the auditorium and be comparatively louder than it appears from where you're standing. So conductors sometimes have an assistant conductor, which can be especially useful when performing at new locations. He's probably jokingly exaggerating too, but there's definitely some truth to it.
>>108198201Symphonies suck. Second worst genre, just after piano concertos. Only a handful of good ones exist.
>>108201312he was also big on /lit/, that's where all the pseud faggotry comes from
>>108202500>just after piano concertosas opposed to violin concertos, trumpet concertos, marimba concertos?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_students_by_teacher:_A_to_B#Nadia_Boulanger>Boulanger is believed to have taught a very large number of students from Europe, Australia, Mexico, Argentina and Canada, as well as over 600 American musicianswhat happened here
>>108194263>didn't know about Gould or Bach before starting the project>pitched the project high and without any understanding of what he's doing>hired someone else to convert Gould recordings into midis, too retarded to do it himself>absolutely no understanding of music theory, calls Bach's left hand counterpoint melodies 'basslines'>gaslight's and strawman's fans concerns>drops the album, still has no idea who Glenn Gould
>>108202516Sorry yeah I meant concerto works in general
>>108201252>>108201312>>108202506What? How do you know he was on 4chan?
>>108194263Kek this is actually so stupid I'm beginning to think they're just trying to troll people.
>>108202676he doxed himself here, duh
The Tristan quote in Meistersinger sounds really weird. Doesn't fit the harmonic world of Meistersinger.
>>108203491Find it yourself. I'm not digging through the archive for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHkLdQy5f0Waltz of the flowers is one of the best waltz ever written, even though i have no women to dance with, i dance alone in the darkness and solitude with my imagination being a wingman and my desires being my beloved.
>>108203706https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb8WCPjPDsswan lake was Tchaikovsky at his best.
Is there a single performance of Wagner according to his personal tempi?
Bros i'm looking at the posts of this tallis guy in the archive and he was so knowledgeable and also a shitposterHow come we don't have any posters like this anymore? Nowadays we only have shitposters, is this what the massive influx of Wagnerfags in the last 2 years have caused?
any info on music and metaphysics?
>>108204111Pic related is Wagner's foremost work on the metaphysics of music.
>>108204043>i don't know anything so Tallis sounds super smart>waaa! why aren't there more people to make me feel smart by association!end yourself tbqh
>>108202506A highlight from his twitter days. Unfortunately almost all of this stuff is wiped.>>108204111Schopenhauer wrote a lot about the metaphysics of music.
>>108204336What an enormous unabashed pseud. He uses words like a dandy uses clothes.
>>108204043nah fuck him he was always avatarfagging as novalis painting him out to be some gatekeeperas someone who visited novalis' grave that's an insult
>>108203648Okay but what exactly here proves it's him? I don't see it
>>108204841Pseuds try to ruin everything they touch.
>>108204914God you're stupid
>>108204934Yes. Now tell me what I'm missing
>>108204300We dont have any knowledgeable posters rn bro, look at the hecking thread
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANODON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANODON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANODON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANODON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANODON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
>>108205469cry about it
>>108205588>18 replies 5 posterslol, lmao, rofl
>>108205588>(CMG)you are just as retarded as the op of this thread
>>108205469No, I think I will.
>>108194054Tribschen Idyll > Siegfried Idyllhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry59vzTUL24
>>108207651Rating full works > rating parts of works
>>108206496couldn't love this man more
>>108195108>>108196021no need indeed. but it happened. I put this album to save me from a badtrip but it pushed me further and it was amazing
>>108194054>>108205267/classical/ is finished. bow to (CMG) 130 posts to126
>>108208452this ain't /classical/ you imbecile. this is Wind edition
>>108208576wind edition BTFO by (CMG). DEAL WITH IT
is Webern's Passacaglia the greatest Op.1 of all time?
>>108194071based glenn gould poster
lot of pepe slidethreads today
>>108209534That's not a real opus one c'mon you know what anon meant
>>108212782It say op. 1 right there though.(the real, non-snide answer is Berg's piano sonata)
>go to Mahler wikipedia page>gold star next to his namewhat did they mean by this bros?
I gave some of the music here a listen and I honestly still prefer artists like Elliott Smith and Radiohead. The voice is what makes music emotional, otherwise it would be the masturbation of instruments.
>>108213732>The voice is what makes music emotionalEven if this were true, classical music has been made up of predominantly vocal music for the majority of its history.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6oq_UYbyAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11A4wqv8_wohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiKgrevzT-ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ia4nQsr2E8
>>108213732sounds like you should stay on /mu/
>>108214040Don't bother with plebs/baiters
I see that /classical/ did not find on the grail today...
>>108202500>Only a handful of good ones exist.and what might those be?
>>108216963Mozart's 39th, 40th and 41stHaydn's London and Sturm und Drang symphoniesBrahms' 2nd and 4thScriabin's Poem of Ecstasy
>>108217428further proof the linz and prague symphonies are underrated
>>108219055shostakovich sucks cock.
Best recording of Strauss' Heldenleben?
Every day I wake up, remember that Glenn Gould is dead, and smile
It clickedHoly fucking shit bros
>>108194054The girl in that pic is so cute Where can I find her "body of work"
>>108221737the Alban Berg quartet is based
>>108221737why would it not click, it kicks ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jbHbDena_Uthe second movement is mad.
>>108213133Wikipedia is ran by Fascists.
Johann Sebastian Bach is attributed with the following remark:>"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach."Upon hearing the above statement, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is said to have exclaimed:>"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word"Upon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed:>"He is the master of us all."Ludwig van Beethoven is said to have exclaimed,>"Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb."
>>108224148Kinda tied between Handel and Bach tbqhwyd. I think it was the same for Mozart and Beethoven.
Johann Sebastian Bach is attributed with the following remark: >"[Petzold] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach." Upon hearing the above statement, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is said to have exclaimed: >"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word" Upon hearing the 'Menuet alternativement' from Suite in G major, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed: >"He is the master of us all." Ludwig van Beethoven is said to have exclaimed, >"Petzold is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb."
>>108194054Lohengrin has the best use of wind.
Petzold is a philosopher. You will see malign forces on here memeing against him all the time because they do not want anons to go into thought about the world. They do not like thinking, only reaction.As soon as the name Petzold pops up, you will have a brigade of shills against him swarming the thread, along with their golem peons yapping about "spook".The truth is that Petzold, Joseph Haydn and people like them are all that are worth a listen in this interregnum between the "Wagner upset" and where we are going.You can catch them here.https://radixjournal.com
>>108224148>Handel is only fourth rate. He is not even interesting.-- Pytor Ilich Tchaikovsky
The best Handel piece is composed by Brahms. Enough said
>>108224148What is Handel's best opera? And what is Handel's best work in general?
>>108224148>Handel sucks ass--Rachmaninoff
>>108222230God I hate women
>>108222230God I hate Paavo Järvi
>>108225598I don't listen to any of them apart from Enescu, checkmate
>>108225598I have no idea who any of these people are
>mfw no proto-romantic cute bf
>>108225598replace the top row with bach handel haydn mozart beethoven brahms wagner, the bottom row with zelenka cherubini clementi méhul reicha czerny gurlitt berger
>>108226210you have bad taste
post your favourite Charles Ives work
>>108227412the shortest one
>>108227426post it then
>>108225598Bartok really is absolute shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jsUCr3CKTQthis is what singers call a trill?
regenerates degenerates stravinsky schoenberg mozarella underrated beethoven nigger rachmaninoff's 2nd the art of fugue can be played on any instrument who'd win in a fistfight richter or gould it's a karajan's interpretation modern art music can't be tonal firetruck composers schostakovich mahler in helmets cage was right cage was wrong lmao 4' 33'' wagner cucked and did boring operas berlioz got cucked and did drugs tchaikovsky was gay bach had like 20 children lol wtc is just a bunch of exercises romantics are cucks haydn the first pop artist chopin was a composer for one right hand medieval is easy it's all perotin leonin did you know gesualdo killed people handel was le wealthy merchant satie wrote clair de lune babby's first impressionist muh serialism muh spectralism muh avantgarde.
redpill me on reinecke
BESIDES any of his symphonies, what was his true masterpiece?
>>108228070too easy late string quartets
>>108228070I found many pieces of Mozart that more or less accomplished the innovations Beethoven is typically credited with that I had to oust poor Ludwig from my personal trinity and replace him with Schoenberg. I make no apology and regret nothing.Of course Bach still in.
>>108228131Post examples bro
>>108228070Missa Solemnis or Quartet no. 14, according to Beethoven himself.
the gay minuethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlG6R5Iyxo
>>108228148Why are you laughing at the idea that Beethoven's late string quartets are his masterpieces
>>108228070Quartets 13 - 16 easily. They are what truly solidify Beethoven as one of the greats.
>>108228070Quartet 7 no doubt
>>108228482he is an autistic contrarian
>>108228631dicky spence pls
>>108228070the double fugue in the kakadu variations
why does scaruffi have such a hardon for the shostakovich 15, does he like the william tell overture that much?
>>108228070Too much to count, so I'll separate by keyC major: Diabelli variationsC minor: Sonata 32Db major: Quartet 16 movement 3, sonata 6 movement 2 trioC# minor: Quartet 14D major: Missa solemnisD minor: Sonata 7 movement 2Eb major: Quartet 12, quartet 13 movement 5Eb minor: Sonata 4 movement 2 trioE major: Sonata 30, sonata 3 movement 2, concerto 3 movement 2E minor: Sonata 27, concerto 4 movement 2F major: Quartets 7, 16F minor: Quartet 10, quartet 7 movement 3F# major: Sonata 24F# minor: Sonata 29 movement 3G major: Concerto 4G minor: Cello sonata 2Ab major: Sonata 31, quartet 12 movement 2Ab minor: Sonata 31 movement 3, quartet 14 movement 6A major: Sonata 28, cello sonata 3A minor: Quartet 15Bb major: Sonata 29, quartets 6, 13Bb minor: Sonata 29 movement 2 trioB major: Concerto 5 movement 2B minor: Missa solemnis Agnus Dei
>>108229534>no grosse fugefiltered.
>>108229564not since 1827
Plebs get filtered
>>108229585retvrn to 1826
Schubert actually does mog Beethoven when it comes to string quartets
>>108231060Lol no, and Schubert knew it himself.
>>108224148the perception of Handel in the 19th and 18th centuries is the same as the perception of Bach afterwards. A second rate composer loved by pseuds who want to appear intelligent
>>108225598there aren't many composers I can recognize by face ngl but I don't think I've listened to anybody in that pic
>>108217428>Scriabin's Poem of EcstasyBased
Handel is #1. if you disagree, do you really think you're smarter than Mozart and Beethoven?
>>108233077I mean did you just start listening to classical music or something? The fact that you can't even recognize many composers by their face is autistic.
>>108233100I don't think I've purposefully listened to any composer whose heyday was after the advent of photography so that probably has something to do with it.
>>108233094>do you really think you're smarter than Mozart and Beethoven?Yeah I'm pretty sure I am lol musicians are dumb as shit unless they're also philosophers or polemicists (like Wagner). Just because they made great music doesn't mean their opinions and aesthetics aren't questionable. Beethoven had an extremely naive worldview.
>>108232955Wagner had a real talent for vocal ensembles, even Brahms recognised how beautiful the rhinemaidens' song was.
>>108233132>musicians are dumb as shit on their topic of expertisewhen pseuds see the Mozart quote saying Bach is great they agree with it until they realize he was talking about C.P.E.
>>108232955>>108233150I will never understand people (musically*) underrating Das Rheingold, it's such an amazing stream of music full of wonderful moments.*obviously the greatest 'drama' part of the Ring is Siegfried.
>>108233181opera isn't music
>>108233166>>musicians are dumb as shit on their topic of expertiseHuh? Mozart and Beethoven rating other composers AKA music criticism isn't their topic of expertise.
>>108233205nigger it literally is
>>108233198You're right, it's musical theatre. Your post is pointless.
>>108233233nah, it's just retardation.
>>108233211No it isn't, it's composition. Criticism isn't composition. Are you too dumb to understand the basic differences between theory and practice?
>>108233248take your meds
>classical music good even though it's used in tranimehttps://youtu.be/ofR3xzEpSBk?t=27
>>108233302nobody in their right mind likes operaimbecile
>>108233315Thankfully Wagner made music dramas, not just operas.
>>108233364"drama" is not music, when will you romanticfags learn? listen to Bach
>>108233369Bach's WTC is endless melody, it's basically already drama.
>>108233422no it's not and>cherrypicking
>>108233422>Bach's WTC is endless melody, it's basically already drama.
>>108233132>philosophers... like Wagnerlmfao
>>108233489you brain on chud.
>>108233369It's "music drama", illiterate.
>>108233505What exactly is the point of this spam?
Lotgh wasted Mahler 5 on a filler episode
>>108233181100%. Because it's the first time so many motifs are used, it all feels so primordial and more direct. We get really simple moments like this but have so much effect, containing the whole essence of a moral plea:https://youtu.be/upb3XVmsHDA?t=4654
>>108233600Better than using Wagner's Symphony in C major in every episode.
>>108233600doesnt that tv show use all 10 mahler symphonies in every other episode anyways?
>>108233681Im really disappointed by how lame this show is. It looks so cool, the surface level aesthetic is brilliant.But theres no depth. Like Reinhard and Siegfried's "brilliant" strategies consist of shit like "let's go straight through the middle of these ships instead of around them!" "let's attack these ships one at a time instead of all at once!"Kiddie shit
>>108233600Anime edition when
>>108233738The show's great (past most of season 1), but you shouldn't expect the strategies to make any sense lol. It's 2d tactics in a 3d environment.
walton's first symphony is like sibelius but cooler
>>108233369>"drama" is not music>listen to Bach
jigen listens to dvorak, but what are lupin and goemon listening to?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvoGy83D7Yg
>>108233600What episode? Wasn't aware there was any filler in LOGH>>108233738It gets better but the strategies were never written to be genius, I'm not sure that would work narratively.
the only good animes are beserk (before hiatus) and kaiji, shit like logh and eva are fucking garbage nigga.
the only good anime are K-ON and Aria
>>108235958the only good anime are K-ON and Arianah, only trannies and natsocs give a fuck about those lil nigga.
>>108235972OOOOHHHH I FORGOT TO GREENTEXT!>I'm officially a newfag
>>108235972>>108236023pathetic, this is the state of K-ON haters
K-ON is the Mozart of anime: it's joyful, melancholic, perfect. It had countless imitators but no one ever came close to the greatness of the original.
>>108235888Berserk is way more cringe and anime-ish than LoGH what are you talking about?
>>108236113I'm right though, k-on is lame and the fans think being insufferable is quirky and unique (which is not).>>108236285no, the mozart of anime is midori>>108236458not really, logh is just so cheesy sometimes, beserk has cheesy moments, but not as much as logh.
What is the anime equivalent to Bach?
I usually don't listen to Tchaikovsky but recently I found out that he's perfect to play while playing Eurotruck Simulator 2. Like, just fire up a long ass ballet and drive your truck, it's pretty comfy.
>>108235888Imagine comparing LOGH and eva in the same sentence when the second is by far the most garbage overrated anime ever produced. beserk seems alright haven't seen it but LOGH is really the only anime that can begin to compare to well written literature, the rest are all cringe to a degree.
>>108236285you're right, both of them are garbage>>108236571nothing
>>108237798beserk is pretty overrated, but logh was pretty predictable and sappy during the first season. What do you think of kaiji?
kill all anime niggers
>>108237798>>108237948sorry, just wanted to add, how is beserk overrated if you haven't seen it?
>>108237991damn straight nigga.
>>108236571In terms of far-reaching influence and importance on the contemporary form, and changing the perception of what anime could be? It's unironically Eva, no matter what the randos in this thread think of it.
>>108238059gundam and stuff like beserk predate it and have done it way better. Eva is overrated and the fact that the fanbase is 100% goofy zoomers is proof that eva has a negative impact on anime.
>>108237948>>108237994kaiji seems like a typical anime but I've only seen bits. I don't think berserk is overrated but its still anime whereas LOGH is really not in the contemporary sense. Season 1 is the worst.>>108238059Bach is brilliant but him being particularly influential is a Wagnerian meme since he specifically wrote in old, outdated styles that nobody liked at the time. Beethoven, C.P.E., Haydn and Mozart all had far more influence (in that order)
>>108238129nigga shut the fuck up lmao your spaceship cartoons are not high art
>>108238153never said they were, which is why I would never compare any anime to Bach or the greats. I am just saying that LOGH is by far the best anime. On an absolute scale it's more like a 5/10 compared to the rest which is all 2/10 at best
>>108238129check out kaiji you'll like it lol>>108238153based.
>>108238199you sound so unbelievably gay even for an anime faggot, just quit talking already.
>>108238129>explicitly studied by Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin among who knows how many others>Wagnerian meme
>>108238322Mozart studied C.P.E. and Handel more.Beethoven studied Mozart, Haydn, Handel moreI assume Chopin studied Beethoven moreBach is important, he is not close to being the most influential composer. The fact that he is the greatest composer does not change that fact.
>>108238096Gundam's influence was much narrower, as was Berserk. The former was mostly important in the shift from super robot to grittier real robot anime, and although it was successful, the scale of its innovation within its genre and its effect on the medium as a whole is not comparable. The shift to more character-driven stories had already started with e.g. Macross but without hindsight these things just appear to suggest rather than preempt the shift that happened with Eva. It's difficult to convey how inescapable it still is even today.>the fanbase is 100% goofy zoomerslmao no. Maybe if your idea of Eva fans comes from Twitter and Tiktok.>>108238129You're not wrong, but anime is not old enough to have any 100% comparable example of contemporary irrelevance but distant effects in the future. Before Eva, anime is mostly a) kid's shows and Ghibli movies, b) robot shows and OVAs for a relatively niche but growing otaku audience, and c) porn OVAs. Anime like Astro Boy or most super robot anime from the '70s are only interesting from a historical perspective unless you're an enthusiast, so there is no 'Bach' in this sense. However there is one notable parallel between Eva and Bach, which is it was in an exhausted form too—robot anime was basically spent as a cultural force when it came out. In that sense it represents both the end of a certain period of anime production and the beginning of a new one.
>>108238346>I assume Chopin studied Beethoven moreNow this is particularly egregious since Chopin was, among the earlier Romantics, probably the least influenced by Beethoven. iirc he even performed pieces from the WTC when he was warming up too.As for who each composer studied more, I'm not sure how easily one can measure such a thing. I know Mozart and Haydn would arrange certain works from the WTC and AoF for string quartet and play them (he also made an adaptation of Handel's Messiah too, if we want to count such things as evidence of how much Mozart specifically has "studied" them). Though I suppose I don't really care much. Talk of "influence" is usually a dumb way to talk about music and, like you said, Bach is already a great composer even if he one believes he wasn't influential.
>>108238395>lmao no. Maybe if your idea of Eva fans comes from Twitter and Tiktok.that's 100% of them, also eva may have more notoriety, but gundam and mazinger z established the robot genre, and beserk was truly defined the gritty seinen era that got people into anime. Eva is a shonen, and shonen have way more of an audience, but honestly, eva isn't even that good, especially all the rebuilds, not a fan of those.
>>108238495Sorry, not an expert on most of the Romantics. To be clear, I think Bach is influential but in terms of influence can't compete against those who changed the entire trajectory of music: C.P.E, Haydn, Beethoven
>>108238610>that's 100% of themI mean...no? Your entire impression appears to come from a handful of overseas fans. Eva is in inescapable to this day in Japan to the extent that it's basically impossible to characterise 'Eva fans' since most anime otaku are Eva fans. Gundam is only robot anime that comes close but is still not so important as Eva outside the robot anime niche, and certainly the only one that is anywhere close to as visible. The super robot predecessors like Mazinger Z don't really compare and their most visible influence is on intentional throwbacks like TTGL and Promare.>seinen...shounenThese are just manga demographics and unhelpful as descriptors besides maybe the specific term battle shounen for manga like DBZ, Naruto, HxH, etc. Eva and indeed Gundam don't even strictly belong to any of these classification because they're anime original. Their genre is robot anime.Berserk is a major work but it exists somewhat in its own universe and it's only something that got a lot of people into manga/anime in the USA, presumably because it was one of the most available anime overseas in the early '00s (which fwiw was not dominated by adaptations of gritty manga but by visual novel adaptations and harem anime). Similar to how GitS and Cowboy Bebop got a disproportionate number of Americans into anime in the '90s.
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>>108238890I'm speaking worldwide, and although shonen, and seinen are mainlu demographics, shonen does have a wider appeal, especially mecha, romcom and adventure/hero journey formulas. I've been to akihabara and it's mainly dragon ball and gundam, but I did see some eva stuff, and even an eva panchinko machine oddly enough, still, eva isn't nearly as popular as conan, lupin the third and one piece though, those bastards are everywhere in japan. Oh and tsubasa and doraemon. I see those guys there.
>>108239450Well, yeah, the biggest audience for anime is ultimately still kids and teens, so Conan, One Piece, Doraemon, Precure, etc. are the *most* visible and popular, especially outside of otaku haunts, along with whatever FOTW battle shounen/light novel is faddish at the time. The explosion of mobage means that you often see things like FGO in convenience stores or other mainstream places, which is kind of funny given the series' eroge roots. But it would be a little disingenuous of me to claim Doraemon is more important among otaku as well as creators than Evangelion. Gundam certainly does has an established fandom though partly because of the continued interest in model building. It'll probably always be a part of the subculture.It's true that shounen magazine generally serialise the most popular manga, but again, it doesn't really apply to most of the anime we're talking about since they're anime originals. Manga is only shounen or seinen because it's published in shounen or seinen magazines. And yeah, there are pachinko parlors with all kinds of game/anime tie-ins and Eva is one of the most common.
>the biggest audience for anime is ultimately still kids and teenswhich is eva's audience lol>Doraemon is more important among otaku as well as creators than Evangelion. Gundamdefinitely not lol, but him, luffy and lupin are fucking inescapable in japan lol. I heard that kaiji pachinko machines are the most popular in japan, despite the series not even being that popular, but maybe it's a japanese thing, who knows, I been there and all I see is isekai-esque game franchises, some new flavor of the month stuff, one piece and lupin the third everywhere. Spongebob is there a lot for some reason, saw that little guy a couple of times believe it or not.
>>108239751>>108239645sorry forgot to tag ya frien
>>108239751>which is eva's audience lolI've only encountered one Japanese teen who liked Eva and she was a chubby nerd. All the others liked FOTM stuff and One Piece/Dragon Ball.
>>108239807>>108239751Actually that's a lie, there was one other I met when I was a teen myself and she was also a nerd who used to chat about Lucky Star with me.