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Wind edition.
What are your favorite works that prominently feature wind instruments?
https://youtu.be/UovPvg4hyUM
https://youtu.be/_PolXz9ULcQ
https://youtu.be/VUEj5q43nec

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Previous Thread >>108172516
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Woodwinds suck cock.
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glenn gould
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>>108194071
the Gould standard
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>>108194071
Based.
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>>108194054
>op forgot to title
>no one will find it now
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>I had three teachers: my professor, my papa, and Wagner.
>The Ring is perfection.
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>>108194071
What were they thinking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucMC9T9sk20
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>>108194071
>>108194221
You may cringe or say whatever but...
I listened to the well tempered clavier by Gould on acid and it was unreal. His humming was like a whole string section layered under the piano, it was unreal.
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>>108194256
Further proof Wagnerians are gay???
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>What Wagner does to a mf
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>>108194375
He undoubtedly still hates Wagner.
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>>108194420
He became a Wagnerian, dont you see his Wagnerian look?
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>>108194375
Is this really what anti-Wagnerians look like?
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which composer had the best skit /classical/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdKSr10HWs
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>>108194860
This is more cringe than usual.
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>>108194860
not clicking on this
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>>108194860
>gay jokes about Tchaikovsky
Not approved.
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>>108194907
how is this cringe? It's funny and accurate.
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>>108194860
they look like american ww2 propaganda
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>>108194708
If only you knew
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>>108194935
offended?

>>108194939
what are you implying?
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>>108194942
just looked this faggot's instagram up, his username is deleuzean_catboy and he has brainlet wojak twink doomer wojak memes on his page. how do i kill this guy in real life?
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Anyone here ever written an opera?
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>>108194283
Don't need drugs to appreciate Gould.
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What did Bach have against trumpet players?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYeubL8ZwZw
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Who is the deleuze of music?
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>>108195189
"Don't look at the brass section. It only encourages them."
- Strauss
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johannes brahms is in hell for killing hans rott
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>>108194938
>accurate.
Not really.
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>>108195313
actually i think wagner said that.
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>>108194054
>What are your favorite works that prominently feature wind instruments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F40X8bRxKI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kl6o3I3eNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQs-_kMsO_w
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https://vocaroo.com/13awQBRbP5wo
Who can 'buzz' Ode to Joy?
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>>108195973
i was buzzing an ode to joy in your mom last night
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>>108194283
>doing drugs

>>108194375
can we stop talking about wagner? lets talk Sorabji
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>>108196021
>can we stop talking about a sissy? lets talk faggots
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You should take a look at /lang/ on /int/; much better organisation than here.
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>>108196080
no one cares
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>>108196102
I do
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>>108194860
is there any asian performer that isnt some soulless normie?
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>>108195951
It's a different formulation of one of Strauss's 10 rules of conducting:

> 1 Remember that you are making music not to amuse yourself, but to delight your audience.
> 2 You should not perspire when conducting: only the audience should get warm.
> 3 Conduct Salome and Elektra as if they were Mendelssohn: Fairy Music.
> 4 Never look encouragingly at the brass, except with a brief glance to give an important cue.
> 5 But never let the horns and woodwinds out of your sight. If you can hear them at all they are still too strong.
> 6 If you think that the brass is now blowing hard enough, tone it down another shade or two.
> 7 It is not enough that you yourself should hear every word the soloist sings. You should know it by heart anyway. The audience must be able to follow without effort. If they do not understand the words they will go to sleep.
> 8 Always accompany the singer in such a way that he can sing without effort.
> 9 When you think you have reached the limits of prestissimo, double the pace.
>10 If you follow these rules carefully you will, with your fine gifts and your great accomplishments, always be the darling of your listeners.
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>>108196109
and you're no one.
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>>108196143
man he really hated brass and winds huh?
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>>108196102
I care too, you know.
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>>108196172
you're no one too, you know
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>>108196102
You seem to care enough to reply.
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>>108196266
evidently not
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am i a brainlet for thinking a mozart sonata is harder than a fugue? specially the alberti bass sections?
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>>108196285
If you were truly indifferent, you'd just not reply.
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>>108196372
evidently not
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>>108196380
I wish you were a woman so I could give you a good fucking.
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>>108196563
imbecile
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>Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Liszt and Wagner were all womanisers
What's your excuse?
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>>108197087
bruckner and mahler weren’t and they’re literally me
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>>108197112
>Alma soon became resentful because of Mahler's insistence that there could only be one composer in the family and that she had given up her music studies to accommodate him. "The role of composer, the worker's role, falls to me, yours is that of a loving companion and understanding partner
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>>108197315
mahler was a gigasperg when it came to women. when i get back to my room i have a book with a letter from him circa his conservatory years complaining about not getting any pussy due to having autistically stringent requirements on women.
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>>108197342
ziemlich basiert
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>>108197342
>You must understand that I could not bear the sight of an untidy woman with messy hair and neglected appearance. I must also admit that solitude is essential to me when I am composing; as a creative artist I require it without conditions. My wife would have to agree to my living apart from her, possibly several rooms away, and to my having a separate entrance. She would have to consent to sharing my company only at certain times, decided in advance, and then I would expect her to be perfectly groomed and well dressed ... In a word, she would need qualities that even the best and most devoted women do not possess.
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>>108196287
Alberti bass is based and whatever the musical equivalent of kino is. You can figure a pleasing chord progression and then play alberti bass with it while just improvising the melody.
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>>108197559
I too have unrealistic requirements for women, not because of autism but because of anime
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What are the top 10 symphonies? I'm more of an opera guy so I can't speak with authority on the subject but I'd like to hear your opinions
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>>108198201
mahler symphonies 1-10 + das lied
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>no /classical/ header

How is anyone supposed to find this?
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>>108198300
>Mahler 10
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>>108198201
I'll give you 10 symphonies from 10 composers instead. In no particular order of quality
1. Mahler 9
2. Dvorak 8
3. Beethoven 3
4. Nielsen 5
5. Honegger 3
6. Enescu 3
7. Bruckner 7
8. Mozart 40
9. Haydn 101
10. Brahms 3
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>>108198963
Yes.
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>>108199059
why bruckner 7 over bruckner 8
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>>108199332
Because there wasn't another 7 in my list. I could go for either, really
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMJ4Tqbn6nA
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>>108199534
yet you had four 3s… curious!
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>>108199842
3 is a cooler number than 8
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>>108199867
evidently not
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>>108194071
The second greatest pianist of all time
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Reminder that Mozart's Fantasia in C Minor is better than all Beethoven sonatas and is one of the best solo piano pieces ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suSHZkW70c
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Reminder that Petzold's Minuet in G Minor is better than all Bach suites and is one of the best solo keyboard pieces ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg
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>>108198300
>>108199059
Thanks bros
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>>108194942
Lol wtf I've known of this queer for ages, everyone on instagram makes fun of him as an insufferable pseud faggot. had no idea he was a /classical/ tripfag
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>>108201252
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/mu.desu.meta/tripcode/%21%21y%2B12CeFwYOo/page/1/
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>>108201252
who exactly is this everyone on instagram
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>>108196143
>>108196170
I think the brass comments have to do with how the instruments are placed in the orchestra too. As a conductor you're standing closest to the strings and if it's a large orchestra the brass will be seated much further away from you. But the sound of the brass will travel out in the auditorium and be comparatively louder than it appears from where you're standing. So conductors sometimes have an assistant conductor, which can be especially useful when performing at new locations. He's probably jokingly exaggerating too, but there's definitely some truth to it.
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>>108200137
Faggot.
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>>108201319
theorygram*
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>>108198201
Symphonies suck. Second worst genre, just after piano concertos. Only a handful of good ones exist.
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>>108201312
he was also big on /lit/, that's where all the pseud faggotry comes from
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>>108202500
>just after piano concertos
as opposed to violin concertos, trumpet concertos, marimba concertos?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_students_by_teacher:_A_to_B#Nadia_Boulanger

>Boulanger is believed to have taught a very large number of students from Europe, Australia, Mexico, Argentina and Canada, as well as over 600 American musicians
what happened here
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>>108194263
>didn't know about Gould or Bach before starting the project
>pitched the project high and without any understanding of what he's doing
>hired someone else to convert Gould recordings into midis, too retarded to do it himself
>absolutely no understanding of music theory, calls Bach's left hand counterpoint melodies 'basslines'
>gaslight's and strawman's fans concerns
>drops the album, still has no idea who Glenn Gould
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>>108202516
Sorry yeah I meant concerto works in general
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>>108201252
>>108201312
>>108202506
What? How do you know he was on 4chan?
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>>108194263
Kek this is actually so stupid I'm beginning to think they're just trying to troll people.
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>>108202676
he doxed himself here, duh
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The Tristan quote in Meistersinger sounds really weird. Doesn't fit the harmonic world of Meistersinger.
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>>108202907
Where? When?
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>>108203491
Find it yourself. I'm not digging through the archive for you.
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>>108203491
https://desuarchive.org/mu/search/text/bouchard/username/tallis
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHkLdQy5f0

Waltz of the flowers is one of the best waltz ever written, even though i have no women to dance with, i dance alone in the darkness and solitude with my imagination being a wingman and my desires being my beloved.
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>>108203706

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sb8WCPjPDs

swan lake was Tchaikovsky at his best.
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Is there a single performance of Wagner according to his personal tempi?
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Bros i'm looking at the posts of this tallis guy in the archive and he was so knowledgeable and also a shitposter
How come we don't have any posters like this anymore? Nowadays we only have shitposters, is this what the massive influx of Wagnerfags in the last 2 years have caused?
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any info on music and metaphysics?
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>>108204111
Pic related is Wagner's foremost work on the metaphysics of music.
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>>108204043
>i don't know anything so Tallis sounds super smart
>waaa! why aren't there more people to make me feel smart by association!
end yourself tbqh
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>>108202506
A highlight from his twitter days. Unfortunately almost all of this stuff is wiped.
>>108204111
Schopenhauer wrote a lot about the metaphysics of music.
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>>108204336
What an enormous unabashed pseud. He uses words like a dandy uses clothes.
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>>108204043
nah fuck him he was always avatarfagging as novalis painting him out to be some gatekeeper
as someone who visited novalis' grave that's an insult
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>>108203648
Okay but what exactly here proves it's him? I don't see it
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>>108204841
Pseuds try to ruin everything they touch.
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>>108204914
God you're stupid
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>>108204934
Yes. Now tell me what I'm missing
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xag5-at3xGA
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>>108204300
We dont have any knowledgeable posters rn bro, look at the hecking thread
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>>108205347
what foolishness
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DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
DON'T LISTEN TO BAROQUE ON THE PIANO
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>>108205469
cry about it
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>>108205469
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Better Thread

>>108204912
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>>108205588
>18 replies 5 posters
lol, lmao, rofl
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>>108205588
>(CMG)
you are just as retarded as the op of this thread
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>>108205469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBmViD_w12M
kys
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>>108194071
autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaTzZjkiuLI
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>>108205469
No, I think I will.
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>>108205588
imbecile
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>>108194054
Tribschen Idyll > Siegfried Idyll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry59vzTUL24
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>>108207651
Rating full works > rating parts of works
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>>108206496
couldn't love this man more
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>>108206496
Reddit.
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>>108195108
>>108196021
no need indeed. but it happened. I put this album to save me from a badtrip but it pushed me further and it was amazing
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>>108194054
>>108205267

/classical/ is finished. bow to (CMG) 130 posts to126
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>>108208452
>18 IPs
lmfao
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>>108208452
this ain't /classical/ you imbecile. this is Wind edition
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>>108208576
wind edition BTFO by (CMG). DEAL WITH IT
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is Webern's Passacaglia the greatest Op.1 of all time?
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>>108208973
evidently not
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>>108209006
imbecile
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>>108208973
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>>108209505
moronic post
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>>108194071
based glenn gould poster
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https://youtu.be/7jzx664u5DA
https://youtu.be/EitMZJXt3FE
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lot of pepe slidethreads today
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>>108209534
That's not a real opus one c'mon you know what anon meant
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>>108212782
It say op. 1 right there though.

(the real, non-snide answer is Berg's piano sonata)
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>go to Mahler wikipedia page
>gold star next to his name
what did they mean by this bros?
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I gave some of the music here a listen and I honestly still prefer artists like Elliott Smith and Radiohead. The voice is what makes music emotional, otherwise it would be the masturbation of instruments.
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>>108213732
>The voice is what makes music emotional
Even if this were true, classical music has been made up of predominantly vocal music for the majority of its history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6oq_UYbyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11A4wqv8_wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiKgrevzT-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ia4nQsr2E8
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>>108213732
sounds like you should stay on /mu/
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>>108214040
Don't bother with plebs/baiters
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I see that /classical/ did not find on the grail today...
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>>108202500
>Only a handful of good ones exist.
and what might those be?
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>>108213732
bruh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OQCncAiC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWc7vYjgnTs
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>>108216963
Mozart's 39th, 40th and 41st
Haydn's London and Sturm und Drang symphonies
Brahms' 2nd and 4th
Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy
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>>108217428
all shit
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>>108217428
further proof the linz and prague symphonies are underrated
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>>108217461
t. earlet
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>>108217470
t. imbecile
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>>108219055
shostakovich sucks cock.
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>>108219211
diet shosta
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Best recording of Strauss' Heldenleben?
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>>108194938
>funny
Not really.
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Every day I wake up, remember that Glenn Gould is dead, and smile
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It clicked

Holy fucking shit bros
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>>108194054
The girl in that pic is so cute
Where can I find her "body of work"
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>>108221737
the Alban Berg quartet is based
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>>108221737
why would it not click, it kicks ass
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jbHbDena_U
the second movement is mad.
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>>108213133
Wikipedia is ran by Fascists.
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Johann Sebastian Bach is attributed with the following remark:
>"[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach."

Upon hearing the above statement, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is said to have exclaimed:
>"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word"

Upon hearing the 'Hallelujah Chorus' from Messiah, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed:
>"He is the master of us all."

Ludwig van Beethoven is said to have exclaimed,
>"Handel is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb."
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>>108224148
Kinda tied between Handel and Bach tbqhwyd. I think it was the same for Mozart and Beethoven.
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Johann Sebastian Bach is attributed with the following remark:
>"[Petzold] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach."

Upon hearing the above statement, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is said to have exclaimed:
>"Truly, I would say the same myself if I were permitted to put in a word"

Upon hearing the 'Menuet alternativement' from Suite in G major, Joseph Haydn is said to have "wept like a child" and exclaimed:
>"He is the master of us all."

Ludwig van Beethoven is said to have exclaimed,
>"Petzold is the greatest composer that ever lived... I would uncover my head and kneel down on his tomb."
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>>108194054
Lohengrin has the best use of wind.
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Petzold is a philosopher. You will see malign forces on here memeing against him all the time because they do not want anons to go into thought about the world. They do not like thinking, only reaction.

As soon as the name Petzold pops up, you will have a brigade of shills against him swarming the thread, along with their golem peons yapping about "spook".

The truth is that Petzold, Joseph Haydn and people like them are all that are worth a listen in this interregnum between the "Wagner upset" and where we are going.

You can catch them here.
https://radixjournal.com
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>>108224148
>Handel is only fourth rate. He is not even interesting.
-- Pytor Ilich Tchaikovsky
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The best Handel piece is composed by Brahms. Enough said
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>>108224148
What is Handel's best opera? And what is Handel's best work in general?
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>>108224148
>Handel sucks ass
--Rachmaninoff
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>>108222230
booba
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>>108222230
God I hate women
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>>108222230
God I hate Paavo Järvi
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>>108225598
I don't listen to any of them apart from Enescu, checkmate
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>>108225598
I have no idea who any of these people are
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>mfw no proto-romantic cute bf
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>>108225598
replace the top row with bach handel haydn mozart beethoven brahms wagner, the bottom row with zelenka cherubini clementi méhul reicha czerny gurlitt berger
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>>108225598
all shit
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>>108226210
you have bad taste
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>>108227309
imbecile
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post your favourite Charles Ives work
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>>108227412
the shortest one
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>>108227426
post it then
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>>108227455
no thanks
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>>108225598
Bartok really is absolute shit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jsUCr3CKTQ
this is what singers call a trill?
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regenerates degenerates stravinsky schoenberg mozarella underrated beethoven nigger rachmaninoff's 2nd the art of fugue can be played on any instrument who'd win in a fistfight richter or gould it's a karajan's interpretation modern art music can't be tonal firetruck composers schostakovich mahler in helmets cage was right cage was wrong lmao 4' 33'' wagner cucked and did boring operas berlioz got cucked and did drugs tchaikovsky was gay bach had like 20 children lol wtc is just a bunch of exercises romantics are cucks haydn the first pop artist chopin was a composer for one right hand medieval is easy it's all perotin leonin did you know gesualdo killed people handel was le wealthy merchant satie wrote clair de lune babby's first impressionist muh serialism muh spectralism muh avantgarde.
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>>108227798
yes
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>>108227798
no
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redpill me on reinecke
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BESIDES any of his symphonies, what was his true masterpiece?
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>>108228070
too easy late string quartets
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>>108228070
I found many pieces of Mozart that more or less accomplished the innovations Beethoven is typically credited with that I had to oust poor Ludwig from my personal trinity and replace him with Schoenberg. I make no apology and regret nothing.
Of course Bach still in.
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>>108228090
lmao no
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>>108228148
lmao yes
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>>108228070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSXRJwspGU0
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>>108228070
The septet
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>>108228131
Post examples bro
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>>108228070
quartet 6
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>>108228351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bke8MvLws5M
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>>108228070
Missa Solemnis or Quartet no. 14, according to Beethoven himself.
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Purtzold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3I0CFW-KM
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>>108228131
>Schoenberg
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the gay minuet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUlG6R5Iyxo
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>>108228443
What
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Ravetzold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrgsm3-0aww
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>>108228148
Why are you laughing at the idea that Beethoven's late string quartets are his masterpieces
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Petzaydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iuxTVq73us
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>>108228070
Quartets 13 - 16 easily. They are what truly solidify Beethoven as one of the greats.
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Petzemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RHan82anTk
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>>108228070
Quartet 7 no doubt
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>>108228482
he is an autistic contrarian
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>>108228558
lmao no
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>>108228631
lmao yes
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>>108228476
>Joseph Haddg
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>>108228631
dicky spence pls
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>>108228070
Hammerklavier.
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>>108228070
the double fugue in the kakadu variations
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why does scaruffi have such a hardon for the shostakovich 15, does he like the william tell overture that much?
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>>108228070
Too much to count, so I'll separate by key
C major: Diabelli variations
C minor: Sonata 32
Db major: Quartet 16 movement 3, sonata 6 movement 2 trio
C# minor: Quartet 14
D major: Missa solemnis
D minor: Sonata 7 movement 2
Eb major: Quartet 12, quartet 13 movement 5
Eb minor: Sonata 4 movement 2 trio
E major: Sonata 30, sonata 3 movement 2, concerto 3 movement 2
E minor: Sonata 27, concerto 4 movement 2
F major: Quartets 7, 16
F minor: Quartet 10, quartet 7 movement 3
F# major: Sonata 24
F# minor: Sonata 29 movement 3
G major: Concerto 4
G minor: Cello sonata 2
Ab major: Sonata 31, quartet 12 movement 2
Ab minor: Sonata 31 movement 3, quartet 14 movement 6
A major: Sonata 28, cello sonata 3
A minor: Quartet 15
Bb major: Sonata 29, quartets 6, 13
Bb minor: Sonata 29 movement 2 trio
B major: Concerto 5 movement 2
B minor: Missa solemnis Agnus Dei
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>>108229534
>no grosse fuge
filtered.
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>>108229557
quartet 13
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>>108229564
not since 1827
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>>108229585
retvrn to 1826
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>>108194054
https://youtu.be/jUdGO1_Xshs
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Schubert actually does mog Beethoven when it comes to string quartets
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>>108225631
>>108225660
>>108226210
Embarrassing
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>>108231193
imbecile
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>>108231060
Lol no, and Schubert knew it himself.
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>>108207421
fool
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>>108232946
moron
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RHEEEEEEEEEIN-GOLD
RHEEEEEEEEEIN-GOLD
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>>108224148
the perception of Handel in the 19th and 18th centuries is the same as the perception of Bach afterwards. A second rate composer loved by pseuds who want to appear intelligent
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>>108225598
there aren't many composers I can recognize by face ngl but I don't think I've listened to anybody in that pic
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>>108233042
literally how
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>>108233056
how not
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>>108217428
>Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy
Based
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>>108232954
imbecile
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Handel is #1. if you disagree, do you really think you're smarter than Mozart and Beethoven?
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>>108233077
I mean did you just start listening to classical music or something? The fact that you can't even recognize many composers by their face is autistic.
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>>108233085
fool
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>>108233100
I don't think I've purposefully listened to any composer whose heyday was after the advent of photography so that probably has something to do with it.
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>>108233094
>do you really think you're smarter than Mozart and Beethoven?
Yeah I'm pretty sure I am lol musicians are dumb as shit unless they're also philosophers or polemicists (like Wagner). Just because they made great music doesn't mean their opinions and aesthetics aren't questionable. Beethoven had an extremely naive worldview.
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>>108232955
Wagner had a real talent for vocal ensembles, even Brahms recognised how beautiful the rhinemaidens' song was.
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>>108233132
>musicians are dumb as shit on their topic of expertise
when pseuds see the Mozart quote saying Bach is great they agree with it until they realize he was talking about C.P.E.
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>>108232955
>>108233150
I will never understand people (musically*) underrating Das Rheingold, it's such an amazing stream of music full of wonderful moments.
*obviously the greatest 'drama' part of the Ring is Siegfried.
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>>108233181
opera isn't music
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>>108233166
>>musicians are dumb as shit on their topic of expertise
Huh? Mozart and Beethoven rating other composers AKA music criticism isn't their topic of expertise.
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>>108233205
nigger it literally is
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>>108233198
You're right, it's musical theatre. Your post is pointless.
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>>108233233
nah, it's just retardation.
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>>108233211
No it isn't, it's composition. Criticism isn't composition. Are you too dumb to understand the basic differences between theory and practice?
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>>108233248
take your meds
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>>108233244
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>classical music good even though it's used in tranime
https://youtu.be/ofR3xzEpSBk?t=27
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>>108233256
see >>108233269
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>>108233286
see >>108233256
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>>108233198
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>>108233302
nobody in their right mind likes opera
imbecile
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>>108233109
gimp
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>>108233315
Thankfully Wagner made music dramas, not just operas.
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>>108233364
"drama" is not music, when will you romanticfags learn? listen to Bach
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>>108233369
Bach's WTC is endless melody, it's basically already drama.
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>>108233422
no it's not and
>cherrypicking
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>>108233422
>Bach's WTC is endless melody, it's basically already drama.
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>>108233132
>philosophers... like Wagner
lmfao
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>>108233489
you brain on chud.
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>>108233369
It's "music drama", illiterate.
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>>108233495
evidently not
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>>108233505
What exactly is the point of this spam?
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>>108233521
Imbecile
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Lotgh wasted Mahler 5 on a filler episode
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>>108233181
100%. Because it's the first time so many motifs are used, it all feels so primordial and more direct. We get really simple moments like this but have so much effect, containing the whole essence of a moral plea:

https://youtu.be/upb3XVmsHDA?t=4654
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>>108233600
Better than using Wagner's Symphony in C major in every episode.
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>>108233600
doesnt that tv show use all 10 mahler symphonies in every other episode anyways?
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>>108233681
Im really disappointed by how lame this show is. It looks so cool, the surface level aesthetic is brilliant.

But theres no depth. Like Reinhard and Siegfried's "brilliant" strategies consist of shit like "let's go straight through the middle of these ships instead of around them!" "let's attack these ships one at a time instead of all at once!"

Kiddie shit
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>>108233356
moron
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>>108233600
Anime edition when
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>>108233738
The show's great (past most of season 1), but you shouldn't expect the strategies to make any sense lol. It's 2d tactics in a 3d environment.
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walton's first symphony is like sibelius but cooler
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>>108233369
>"drama" is not music
>listen to Bach
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jigen listens to dvorak, but what are lupin and goemon listening to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvoGy83D7Yg
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>>108233600
What episode? Wasn't aware there was any filler in LOGH

>>108233738
It gets better but the strategies were never written to be genius, I'm not sure that would work narratively.
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>>108233752
foolish imbecile
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the only good animes are beserk (before hiatus) and kaiji, shit like logh and eva are fucking garbage nigga.
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the only good anime are K-ON and Aria
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>>108235958
the only good anime are K-ON and Aria
nah, only trannies and natsocs give a fuck about those lil nigga.
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>>108235972
OOOOHHHH I FORGOT TO GREENTEXT!
>I'm officially a newfag
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>>108235972
>>108236023
pathetic, this is the state of K-ON haters
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>>108235838
idiotic post
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K-ON is the Mozart of anime: it's joyful, melancholic, perfect. It had countless imitators but no one ever came close to the greatness of the original.
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>>108235888
Berserk is way more cringe and anime-ish than LoGH what are you talking about?
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>>108236113
I'm right though, k-on is lame and the fans think being insufferable is quirky and unique (which is not).

>>108236285
no, the mozart of anime is midori

>>108236458
not really, logh is just so cheesy sometimes, beserk has cheesy moments, but not as much as logh.
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What is the anime equivalent to Bach?
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>>108236571
the boondocks.
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I usually don't listen to Tchaikovsky but recently I found out that he's perfect to play while playing Eurotruck Simulator 2. Like, just fire up a long ass ballet and drive your truck, it's pretty comfy.
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>>108236285
Accurate.
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>>108235888
Imagine comparing LOGH and eva in the same sentence when the second is by far the most garbage overrated anime ever produced. beserk seems alright haven't seen it but LOGH is really the only anime that can begin to compare to well written literature, the rest are all cringe to a degree.
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>>108236285
you're right, both of them are garbage

>>108236571
nothing
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>>108237798
beserk is pretty overrated, but logh was pretty predictable and sappy during the first season. What do you think of kaiji?
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kill all anime niggers
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>>108237798
>>108237948
sorry, just wanted to add, how is beserk overrated if you haven't seen it?
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>>108237991
damn straight nigga.
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>>108236571
In terms of far-reaching influence and importance on the contemporary form, and changing the perception of what anime could be? It's unironically Eva, no matter what the randos in this thread think of it.
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>>108238059
gundam and stuff like beserk predate it and have done it way better. Eva is overrated and the fact that the fanbase is 100% goofy zoomers is proof that eva has a negative impact on anime.
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>>108237948
>>108237994
kaiji seems like a typical anime but I've only seen bits. I don't think berserk is overrated but its still anime whereas LOGH is really not in the contemporary sense. Season 1 is the worst.

>>108238059
Bach is brilliant but him being particularly influential is a Wagnerian meme since he specifically wrote in old, outdated styles that nobody liked at the time. Beethoven, C.P.E., Haydn and Mozart all had far more influence (in that order)
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>>108238129
nigga shut the fuck up lmao your spaceship cartoons are not high art
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>>108238153
never said they were, which is why I would never compare any anime to Bach or the greats. I am just saying that LOGH is by far the best anime. On an absolute scale it's more like a 5/10 compared to the rest which is all 2/10 at best
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>>108238129
check out kaiji you'll like it lol

>>108238153
based.
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>>108238199
you sound so unbelievably gay even for an anime faggot, just quit talking already.
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>>108238227
imbecile
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>>108238235
moron
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>>108238235
moron
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>>108238254
>>108238258
evidently not
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>>108238265
foolish post
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>>108238129
>explicitly studied by Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin among who knows how many others
>Wagnerian meme
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>>108238322
Mozart studied C.P.E. and Handel more.
Beethoven studied Mozart, Haydn, Handel more
I assume Chopin studied Beethoven more

Bach is important, he is not close to being the most influential composer. The fact that he is the greatest composer does not change that fact.
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>>108238096
Gundam's influence was much narrower, as was Berserk. The former was mostly important in the shift from super robot to grittier real robot anime, and although it was successful, the scale of its innovation within its genre and its effect on the medium as a whole is not comparable. The shift to more character-driven stories had already started with e.g. Macross but without hindsight these things just appear to suggest rather than preempt the shift that happened with Eva. It's difficult to convey how inescapable it still is even today.
>the fanbase is 100% goofy zoomers
lmao no. Maybe if your idea of Eva fans comes from Twitter and Tiktok.
>>108238129
You're not wrong, but anime is not old enough to have any 100% comparable example of contemporary irrelevance but distant effects in the future. Before Eva, anime is mostly a) kid's shows and Ghibli movies, b) robot shows and OVAs for a relatively niche but growing otaku audience, and c) porn OVAs. Anime like Astro Boy or most super robot anime from the '70s are only interesting from a historical perspective unless you're an enthusiast, so there is no 'Bach' in this sense. However there is one notable parallel between Eva and Bach, which is it was in an exhausted form too—robot anime was basically spent as a cultural force when it came out. In that sense it represents both the end of a certain period of anime production and the beginning of a new one.
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>>108238346
>I assume Chopin studied Beethoven more
Now this is particularly egregious since Chopin was, among the earlier Romantics, probably the least influenced by Beethoven. iirc he even performed pieces from the WTC when he was warming up too.
As for who each composer studied more, I'm not sure how easily one can measure such a thing. I know Mozart and Haydn would arrange certain works from the WTC and AoF for string quartet and play them (he also made an adaptation of Handel's Messiah too, if we want to count such things as evidence of how much Mozart specifically has "studied" them). Though I suppose I don't really care much. Talk of "influence" is usually a dumb way to talk about music and, like you said, Bach is already a great composer even if he one believes he wasn't influential.
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>>108238395
>lmao no. Maybe if your idea of Eva fans comes from Twitter and Tiktok.
that's 100% of them, also eva may have more notoriety, but gundam and mazinger z established the robot genre, and beserk was truly defined the gritty seinen era that got people into anime. Eva is a shonen, and shonen have way more of an audience, but honestly, eva isn't even that good, especially all the rebuilds, not a fan of those.
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>>108238495
Sorry, not an expert on most of the Romantics. To be clear, I think Bach is influential but in terms of influence can't compete against those who changed the entire trajectory of music: C.P.E, Haydn, Beethoven
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>>108238610
>that's 100% of them
I mean...no? Your entire impression appears to come from a handful of overseas fans. Eva is in inescapable to this day in Japan to the extent that it's basically impossible to characterise 'Eva fans' since most anime otaku are Eva fans. Gundam is only robot anime that comes close but is still not so important as Eva outside the robot anime niche, and certainly the only one that is anywhere close to as visible. The super robot predecessors like Mazinger Z don't really compare and their most visible influence is on intentional throwbacks like TTGL and Promare.
>seinen...shounen
These are just manga demographics and unhelpful as descriptors besides maybe the specific term battle shounen for manga like DBZ, Naruto, HxH, etc. Eva and indeed Gundam don't even strictly belong to any of these classification because they're anime original. Their genre is robot anime.
Berserk is a major work but it exists somewhat in its own universe and it's only something that got a lot of people into manga/anime in the USA, presumably because it was one of the most available anime overseas in the early '00s (which fwiw was not dominated by adaptations of gritty manga but by visual novel adaptations and harem anime). Similar to how GitS and Cowboy Bebop got a disproportionate number of Americans into anime in the '90s.
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new thread >>108239090
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>>108238890
I'm speaking worldwide, and although shonen, and seinen are mainlu demographics, shonen does have a wider appeal, especially mecha, romcom and adventure/hero journey formulas. I've been to akihabara and it's mainly dragon ball and gundam, but I did see some eva stuff, and even an eva panchinko machine oddly enough, still, eva isn't nearly as popular as conan, lupin the third and one piece though, those bastards are everywhere in japan. Oh and tsubasa and doraemon. I see those guys there.
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>>108239450
Well, yeah, the biggest audience for anime is ultimately still kids and teens, so Conan, One Piece, Doraemon, Precure, etc. are the *most* visible and popular, especially outside of otaku haunts, along with whatever FOTW battle shounen/light novel is faddish at the time. The explosion of mobage means that you often see things like FGO in convenience stores or other mainstream places, which is kind of funny given the series' eroge roots. But it would be a little disingenuous of me to claim Doraemon is more important among otaku as well as creators than Evangelion. Gundam certainly does has an established fandom though partly because of the continued interest in model building. It'll probably always be a part of the subculture.
It's true that shounen magazine generally serialise the most popular manga, but again, it doesn't really apply to most of the anime we're talking about since they're anime originals. Manga is only shounen or seinen because it's published in shounen or seinen magazines. And yeah, there are pachinko parlors with all kinds of game/anime tie-ins and Eva is one of the most common.
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>the biggest audience for anime is ultimately still kids and teens
which is eva's audience lol
>Doraemon is more important among otaku as well as creators than Evangelion. Gundam
definitely not lol, but him, luffy and lupin are fucking inescapable in japan lol. I heard that kaiji pachinko machines are the most popular in japan, despite the series not even being that popular, but maybe it's a japanese thing, who knows, I been there and all I see is isekai-esque game franchises, some new flavor of the month stuff, one piece and lupin the third everywhere. Spongebob is there a lot for some reason, saw that little guy a couple of times believe it or not.
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>>108239751
>>108239645
sorry forgot to tag ya frien
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>>108239751
>which is eva's audience lol
I've only encountered one Japanese teen who liked Eva and she was a chubby nerd. All the others liked FOTM stuff and One Piece/Dragon Ball.
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>>108239807
>>108239751
Actually that's a lie, there was one other I met when I was a teen myself and she was also a nerd who used to chat about Lucky Star with me.



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