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Mozart edition

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Previous Thread >>108145267
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First for Wagner.
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Troll album thread? Troll album thread. Here's my Debussy contribution.
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cadences are the work of the gentile.
do you have any idea how it destroys the mind?
cadences attack your hormonal systems.
they will take your testosterone and cast it to the fire.
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cadences are the work of the gentile.
do you have any idea how it destroys the mind?
cadences attack your hormonal systems.
they take your testosterone and cast it to the fire.
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Someone post the 70's Ring cycle coomer bait.
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why are requiems so fucking sad. cheer up.
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>>108172682
>why is music about death so sad
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>>108172616
jews dont have any test
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>>108172692
just cheer up bro like wtf
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>Elijah
>Violin concerto
>Scottish, italian, reformation Symphonies
>That last string quartet for fanny
>Those 2 piano trios
Holy shit what a goldmine, i can't believe i used to not care about this guy
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My favorite Verdi Requiem now and since I heard it is probably Currentzis', and I've heard just about every recording out there of the piece due to a minor obsession with it about 4-5 years ago. Thing is, I don't even like Currentzis a lot of the time, but his style just works for the piece. It also helps that the choral singing is superb and the soloists are probably the best that the work has seen in decades. I imagine he'll eventually do a studio version but I have my doubts as to whether or not it will be as good as his live Milan performance because of all the weird fuckery they do for his recordings in the studio.

George Szell also has an extremely good live one, but unlike his Missa Solemnis there's only bad pirate recordings available and even though it's in stereo, the orchestra is severely compressed. It's a shame because much like his Missa it's in the style of Toscanini so it would've been like Toscanini but in stereo.
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>>108172795
string quartet for tranny? no thanks bro
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>>108172795
Don't forget the octet
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>>108172817
currentzis sucks
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>>108172861
Yes.
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>>108172795
Peak background music.
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>>108172880
Did you start listening to classical music last week?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7X4yJg5QE
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>>108172795
He's a wonderful composer. That F minor string quartet defies every cliché about him.
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which is the worst classical remix album?
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>>108172817
How do you feel about Fricsay's (either one)? I absolutely love his rendition of the Libera me fugue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgudNJT0ZMA
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>>108172899
I'm sorry, is Mendelssohn not known for being pleasant music which one can play in the background?
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>>108173025
mono recordings suck.
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why is there one of those old long notes in the WTC 2 E major fugue?

https://youtu.be/xhMoP9AmYQ8 [Embed] you can see it right here in the 8th measure
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>>108172682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XNg2ZnniTI gotcha
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>>108173373
Thats a breve and you see it alot in renaissance music, which is exactly what Bach was going for as that is a fugue in the stile antico
Are you happy now? Can you pls fuck off?
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What is the difference between assai and molto?
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>>108173596
why not use a whole note?
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Who is your favorite living composer? Pic related.
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>>108173846
You are clinically retarded, stop posting
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>>108173873
why not use a whole note?
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>>108173865
For me its Thomas Ades
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>>108172601
t. CLT
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Sorabji chads i dont feel so good...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIvjvg2pyac
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>>108173025
Also great.
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>>108173865
Nikita Koshkin
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>>108173865
Tom Jensen.
Ulysse Bouchard.
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>>108174730
Fuck off Tallis
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>>108173865
Macmillan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJXMjBc5y8
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My guilty secret is that I am VERY partial to contemporary minimalism, and regularly listen to the likes of Phillip Glass, Arvo Part, Nils Frahm, and Max Richter (sorry)
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OH NO NO NO the absolute state of former /classical/ trips
https://classics.stanford.edu/people/ulysse-carri%C3%A8re-bouchard
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>>108175010
>Their approach mobilizes Foucault, Deleuze, Agamben, Gramsci, and Marx.

How very predictable. Sad!
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>>108175010
lmao faggot with the painted nails
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>>108172682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HnMIhiAg5Y
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>>108175010
>Stanford
Truly he is worse off than anyone posting right now.
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https://youtu.be/VZs01TevxbM

quite the beautifull piece
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>>108175199
>they
I bet Ames is responsible for this.
I do miss SDF though. He knew what he was talking about.
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>>108175010
What even happened to him? I remember he was engaged to a blonde woman and used to argue on Twitter against the Bronze Age Pervert crowd claiming to represent the true European tradition and spirit of classical antiquity. Now he's presumably some kind of genderqueer leftist? Seems like a trend-chaser, I guess.
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I study the epistemological break between two regimes of meme: one rooted in shitposting, the other in reaction images. This shift seems to manifest itself most clearly in Petzold and to fully realize itself in Haydn. In a sense, I'm trying to do the genealogy of shitposting in 18th century Germany. Aside from that, I'm finishing a book on the representation of immanence in Baroque minuets. The conceptual framework I use mobilizes Foucault, Deleuze-Guattari, Agamben, Nietzsche, Gramsci and Marx.
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>>108175271
I've been following Uly when he was on twitter and a little bit throughout this more recent stuff. I haven't talked to him since but he still seems to be the same sort of dude even if he's gone a bit more (explicitly) Marxist.
Don't know what SDF is doing though. Maybe he's still dicking around at the U of Chicago.
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>>108175298
>The conceptual framework I use mobilizes Foucault, Deleuze-Guattari, Agamben, Nietzsche, Gramsci and Marx
Post-modern word salad
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A stodgy autismal over-conservative music professor and fugue-fetishist was teaching a class on Johann Sebastian Bach, known lardass.

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship the Baroque era and accept that it was the most productive period in the history of Western art music, even more than Viennese Classicism!”

At this moment a brave, impeccably dressed, inebriated contemporary composer who had just snorted a line of coke off a teenage classmate's back and understood the folly of a(r/u)tistic movements such as serialism and fully supported the preservation and continuation of the true old masters' legacies stood and held up a composition notebook.

”Professor, do you recognize this piece?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Lutheranly as he leafed through the notebook. "Why, it's Bach's Minuet in G major, BWV Anh. 114"

"No. It's by Petzold. If J.S. Bach, as you say, is categorically the greatest composer of all time... then he should have written it, and it should be in this book."
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Best requiem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNgRZlWd3Q
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Tallis took the Wagner pill, can't blame them/xem/zem
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>>108175464
meh
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Wagner sucks cock.
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>>108175464
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and 80-disc Glenn Gould boxed set. He stormed out of the room crying those Bach fanboy crocodile tears. The same tears all autismal fanboys cry when someone else's favorite composer is different from theirs. There is no doubt at all that our professor, an anonymous craven coward who balked at accepting responsibility for his 4chan posts by using a tripcode on /mu/, wished he had taken the time to appreciate music beneath its surface aesthetics and understand the incalculable grace and poise of the great Classical masterpieces and deep intellectual current which runs beneath their simple veneer. Placing his lips around the barrel of his handgun, he wished so much for a requiem mass to be sung at his funeral, but alas! The lazy Bach had neglected to write any of those, either!

The students applauded and all finally "got" Mozart that day and the patricians among them split into groups to form chamber ensembles. A firetruck roared past outside and the plebeians in the class, mistaking it for their favorite Tchaikovsky pieces, rushed out into the street to listen and were flattened. A bird named Franz Schubert flew into the room but the meme didn't catch on and it left before anyone noticed. The Heiligenstadt Testament was read aloud several times and the Great Patrician himself showed up to congratulate everyone on their good taste.

That young composer's name? Ulysse "Tallis" Bouchard.
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>>108173846
The alla breve time signature represents 4/2 meter here which was common for stile antico old church style pieces. The meaning of alla breve has been a bit inconsistent and changed a lot over time since the Renaissance.
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>>108175295
>Him
>He
Respects they're pronouns chud
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I wonder if Haydn got the idea for the syncopated pseudo-canon in the development of his Op 76 No 2 ("Fifths") quartet from Petzold. It's an audacious trick, especially when he shortens the imitation from a half to a quarter note. Never made that connection before.

Listen to Markevitch in that symphony, so lucid and colorful.
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>>108175199
>He
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>>108175658
It just sounds like Petzold is too busy and eventful for you. People have been complaining about the sudden, frequent juxtapositions of different moods, styles and textures for centuries. Chopin develops at a much slower pace, and is much closer to Bach in its homogenous texture and subtle shadings of a single affect, it doesn't elevate contrast to a central trait like Petzold does.

Listen to this, though: Lyric and serene, but with lushly scored minor and diminished harmonies, and some turbulent surprises: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80

Tell me what you think of that movement.
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>>108175010
Wait wtf, I follow this guy on instagram. Didn't know he posted here. Anyone care to debrief me on his takes here?
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oooooooo look at me i like classical look how pompous and religious i am
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>>108175984
>he
>his
Stop it, use the right pronouns
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>tfw the actual petzold minuet is different from the one in anna magdalena bach's notebook
I've been lied to
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How long before the petzold poster troons up and becomes a Wagnerian? I give it 5 weeks
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>>108176198
>the petzold poster
>implying
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>>108175464
>>108175525
i liked it
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>>108175271
I still see SDF on Steam occasionally playing vidya.
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is it the fourth bar of Menuet 2?
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elllooooooo /classical/!

I'm veeeery new to classical music and I found this intro list by scruffi and was wondering if y'all could rec me the best recordings for each piece.
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>>108176387
7th bar of minuet 1
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>>108176407
Oh fugg I see it. Sloppy job Bach. Or is it an improvement by Bach?
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>>108176391
terrible list, a good way to keep people away from classical
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>>108175984
You can look up his old posts under the name of Tallis.
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>>108176534
>Responding to Scaruffi posts
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>>108175984
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>>108172516
how did classical music impact your life?
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so, is mozart underrated?
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>>108176407
Looking closer it seems to be measure 4 and 12 of minuet 2 as well. And measure 24 of minuet 2.
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>>108176576
I wonder if Papillons is still around. I know he went anon at some point
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>>108176576
based beethovian
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>>108173865
Wuorinen
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>>108174315
>absolutely no tutorial on how to do that
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>>108176660
>living
:(
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>>108176658
I used to bully that guy so much. Feel kinda bad about it now.
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Holy shit is 2022 the year chopin fags get btfod?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwtR5StzQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRFjeORIxaY
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>>108176680
oh damn I forgot he died. Okay Saariaho then I guess
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>>108176761


Everyone seems to consider Chopin the default piano composer. Even in this sub, people always talk about Chopin. In a Youtube video called 25 Greatest piano pieces of all time, CHOPIN actually managed to end up as #1, better than Bach, better than Beethoven, better than Brahms? HOW?

He couldn't write a fugue like Bach (his attempt was shitty), an opera like Mozart or a symphony like Beethoven. Unlike Berlioz, his orchestration was terrible. Unlike Brahms, he had no sense of structure or the need to make his large forms coherent. Unlike Schumann, he couldn't write a piano concerto with an actual interplay between the soloist and the orcherstra, and not the pianist hogging everything with a bunch of pearly melody lines. Even for solo piano, unlike Liszt, he wasn't good at developing themes.

He wrote 3 piano sonatas. None of them were revolutionary enough to compare to Beethoven's. And structurally, they were extrememly incoherent (Schumann would agree with my statement.) At least in Beethoven's case, every sonata among the 32 has something to offer. And the funeral march idea was a Beethoven rip-off, just like how he stole John Field's idea of the nocturne and claimed it for himself.

He has a few gems like Ballade 4, the Polonaise-Fantaise, some Scherzos and the 2nd prelude, yet those are a select few of his oeuvre, and even those aren't really that close to the top. I appreciate that he wrote etudes in a melodic way, but even those were trapped in the uninteresting ABA form, which he also used excessively in the waltzes and nocturnes. (And let's not start on the terrible left hand accompaniment of these miniatures.)

Yet people still act like Chopin wrote the best stuff for piano, which makes them ignorant towards other (arguably better) composers.
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>>108176836
>sub
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>>108176957
/classical/ is a sub of /mu/
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>>108177017
/classical/ isn’t even on /mu/
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>>108173865
there are no good living composers
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>>108177162
But there are a few great ones.
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>>108177228
>>108177228
like literally whomstdve?
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>>108177256
me :)
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Mahler sucks cock.
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Sibelius sucks cock.
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Schoenberg sucks cock.
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>my feet feel so soft and smooth rubbing them against each other
rec me some pieces for this feel
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Wagner’s music is clearly demonic. There is a reason why multiple of his operas involve groups of protagonists needing to consume magical substances to stay young forever. Clearly Wagner was involved in some sort of satanic adrenochrome harvesting cult, or whatever its equivalent in the 1800s would have been.
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Beethoven

https://youtu.be/zZhgsX8T8Ow?t=1474
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>>108177391
based schizo
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>>108177391
I wanna be a composer!
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>>108177421
Can we go hissier and monoer?
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>>108177586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBIfMlyI8F4
k
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>Some of Debussy’s music, like the Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, was so harmonically unusual that it didn’t enthrall critics at the time. One critic scoffed after the premiere: “The faun must have had a terrible afternoon!”
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>>108177343
list your criticisms of schoenberg, so I could debunk them and prove you wrong.
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Stravinsky sucks cock.
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>>108177664
based. fuck depussy
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>>108177617
Based
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One evening in March 1925 Soma Morgenstern went to the Konzerthaus to purchase a ticket for a performance of Mahler’s First Symphony. At the door he saw a very agitated Helene Berg, who implored him for help. Apparently a young man from Frankfurt who wanted to study with her husband had been invited over at three that afternoon and then had simply refused to leave.

He stayed for Jause and even after the Jause he didn’t leave, and he talked away at Alban until Alban was quite pale from exhaustion. Alban had no idea what he was babbling on about. After the Jause we told him that we had arranged to go to the concert with Alma and had to leave early to go into the city. He said he’d come along. And he did not leave. He rode with us, bought himself a ticket, came straight to our box, and now is standing in front of Alban talking away at him. Alban sent me down here. After the concert we are invited to join Alma. He’ll certainly want to go. You must rescue us!

Morgenstern entered the hall, and what he saw confirmed Helene’s description. ‘Standing in the box where Alma and her entourage sat, was Alban and in front of him a small and, compared to Alban, very short figure that was indeed talking away at him. When Alban saw me he raised both arms high above his head, but not in greeting but like a drowning man.’
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>>108177891
insanely stupid
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>>108177891
who was this mystery manlet
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>>108177932
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>>108177932
who do you think
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>>108178148
no clue who studied under berg
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>>108178148
poolez?
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>>108178167
lmao no
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>>108178148
just looked it up and it was fucking adorno lmao, what a sperg
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Adorno''s music is legit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9vU36JCbIM
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>>108178377
sucks
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>>108178425
cock
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>>108178441
now now, we were talking about adorno, not wagner
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>>108178458
you'd know
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>>108178469
about adorno?
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>>108178425
lolno sweaty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Tc4mXodrI
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>>108178501
garbage
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Rate him
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*hits 12 tone*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h84iZjKeq9w
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>>108178585
can't, any rating I give will be an underratement
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>>108178585
I hate Mozart and everything he represents but I am startled by the brilliance of his Requiem in D Minor. I don't want to love it but I have no choice.
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>>108178632
>but I am startled by the brilliance of his Requiem in D Minor
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>>108178604
this
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>>108178664
Oh sorry, I meant this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9390xDUuPuU
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>1600:
Did you hear the latest Gesualdo madrigals at Ferrera? Atrocious things.
Incredibly, you can barely hear what's going on between all that caterwauling. He's not worth anyone's time. Totally unpleasant.
>1800:
This Beethoven guy is so pretentious. Making fucking symphonies about subjects. It's music not painting!
Agreed, what a blowhard. Simply not pleasant music. There's no melody!
>1850:
Jesus Christ Wagner is terrible. Did you hear that opera Tristan? There weren't any fucking arias in it.
Total waste of time. Not going to matter in 50 years
>1900:
"Did you hear that Debussy prelude? Fucking absurd music. What's with these composers nowadays?"
"No idea, sounds like fucking gook music sometimes. And what key was the fucking thing in anyways? Just a wandering unpleasant listen. Unimportant."
>1930:
"Anton Webern is such a complete hack, oh my God."
"I'll never understand this, whatdoyoucallit, "12-tone" music? Complete waste of time. No tunes, no beauty. Complete flash in the pan of nonsense composers."
>1955
"Did you hear that Boulez piece? I don't even know what's going on anymore."
"Yeah I mean why can't music be pleasant like Debussy or Beethoven anymore? All this dissonance and random rhythms. I can't handle it."
>1970
"Berio's such a fucking wacko what's his Sinfonia even about?"
"It's just a Cacaphony of madness designed to poke fun of classical music. It's literally "common practice is shite and it's 1960s" the piece.
I like his Brahms arrangements tho"
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>>108178680
didn't read
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>>108178632
>I hate Mozart
yikes
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>>108178680
>Total waste of time. Not going to matter in 50 years
true for both boulez and berio, no one cares about their music today
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was he justified?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66aIdmhXnQs
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>>108178709
wrong I care about it
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>>108178781
and you're no one
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>>108178781
and you're no one so stfu
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>>108178709
I care
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>>108178819
see >>108178789
>>108178793
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>>108178709
Sinfonia is pretty good tbqh
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>>108178831
Maybe you're the real nobody. Have you considered that??
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>>108178680
>read this greentext
>wonder why it seems awfully familiar
>check the archive
>https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/64877779/#64881159
>i replied to this exact post in this thread 6 years ago
where does the time go
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>>108178789
>>108178793

>tfw atonal music turned you into the Nobody
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>>108178853
maybe you're gay and your mom sucks cock (because she's wagner aka not a real woman aka tranny)
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>>108178789
>>108178793
yes t. ulysse
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>>108178879
I hope your therapists helps you keep your schizophrenia in check anon.
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>>108178937
therapists? more like the rapists.
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>>108178949
BASED
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wow Sorabji stinks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbeR_8gYao
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today I learned that most professional classical singers can't even do trills, they do this yodeling-like vibrato
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>>108178747
it's p gud I don't know what his contention with it is
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Never forget the Castorf Ring Cycle

>Frank Castorf was not Bayreuth's first choice to direct Der Ring des Nibelungen in Richard Wagner's bicentennial year. Contractual difficulties caused film director Wim Wenders to cancel — just as Lars von Trier had canceled the last new Bayreuth Ring , in 2006. East Berlin-born Castorf was faced with the enormous task of conceiving and staging this massively complex cycle in half the usual time. That Castorf is professional enough to accomplish the task is a given. He is, however, well known as a director who has no reverence for the work at hand, no respect for author or composer and even less respect for the audience. Following the principles of Bertolt Brecht, he uses his productions to teach — often with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. His is theater on an epic scale, using pictures or videos superimposed ad nauseam to underscore his relevant or irrelevant message. His method is deconstruction: he destroys the work and leaves the public to pick up the pieces. His greatest fulfillment seems to be pummeling the audience into a state of helplessness and then adding more confusion.

>Das Rheingold (seen Aug. 14) was set at a rundown motel in Texas on Route 66. The Gods were Pulp Fiction gangsters. Most of the action was confined to a small, enclosed room above the main entrance. Vocal projection from the window of the room was difficult, to say the least, and Castorf managed to undermine the wonderful Bayreuth acoustics. As the room filled up, it called to mind the stateroom in the Marx Brothers' Night at the Opera. The Rhinemaidens were turned into whores, with Erda as a madam. Alberich played with a rubber ducky, and he and the nixies sprayed each other with condiments. Wotan was first discovered in bed, having sex with both Fricka and Freia. The Rhine was a small motel swimming pool. Violence ran rampant. Videos constantly distracted from the music. Patric Seibert mimed the non-existent role of a bartender.
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>>108180687
>>108180687
>Wim Wenders

fuck you for reminding me
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>>108180794
t. double beat fetishist
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>>108181392
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Tell me cunts: is this music near the end of the 'choral genre'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7F3OXtMc9Q
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>>108179009
Further proof
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wow this slaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAlcXiB5gIY
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>>108181992
>slaps
Oliver you are a fucking clown
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>>108182005
who in the Sam hell is Oliver?
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Do I have any chance of becoming a composer if I'm not a skilled pianist? Can I take a gap year after high school to take lessons on piano and music theory to make up for not having been trained since childhood?
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>>108182060
>high school

you'll be fine kid. you still got some years of neuroplasticity. Its me whose screwed at 30.
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>>108182018
>Sam
sam hyde
>Oliver
ethan oliver ralph
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>>108182080
But now that you're old, you have experience with learning things + years of taste development. I don't think 30 is too old at all. My teacher knew people who were 36 when they went to music school when he was a student
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>>108180687
Still makes me seethe.
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>>108181658
TELL ME NOW YOU FUCKING CUNTS!
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>>108182060
Not all composers were skilled with a piano. Wagner was quite bad at the piano, but his compensation in skill was that he was a born conductor, so he was naturally a brilliant orchestrator like Beethoven was a brilliant composer for piano.
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>>108180687
was he awarded an honorary israeli citizenship for this feat?
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Name one guitar player who wrote great works for other instruments. I'll wait.
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>>108182850
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So what's the best online free course for learning classical piano. I don't want to end up like Wagner
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Berlioz literally could hardly play any instrument
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>>108183227
you should definitely use play along phone apps like simply piano. i heard Wagner hated those
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>you need perfect pitch to be a good musician
>beethven had no pitch and his hearing was so poor his orchestra would often be completely out of tune towards the end of his career
>is still the best musician
how did he do it bros???
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>>108183290
SOVL
O
V
L
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>>108183290
He had perfect pitch before he went deaf.
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>>108183647
they say that about literally every composer
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>>108183681
It's true.
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>>108183772
https://youtu.be/ovmI8ba3mPg?t=129
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>>108183647
Most of his best work was written when he didn't have perfect pitch. If anything it was a crutch
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>>108183807
You learn music from the beginning with perfect pitch.
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>>108176545
He seemed based. Now 'xe/they' is just a smart catboy faggot. Sad. It happens to the best of us.
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The scene where Siegfried can read Mime's thoughts is very funny.
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Who are the best 20th century composers for guitar ?
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>>108183934
Healthy young composer goes to /lit/, gets pumped with pseuds, doesn't feel good and changes - TROON. Many such cases!
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>>108184017
If we're talking purely solo work, probably John Fahey
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>>108184017
Edward Van Halen
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Ever heard of the song Gesang der Junglinge? If you haven't, you're lucky.

Gesang der Junglinge was created by Karlheinz Stockhausen, a famous German composer from the 1950s.

My name is Lisa Tampton and I am here to show my findings with the world.

What you are hearing is not music, but a picture converted to audio form. Now, electronics in 1955-56 were mainly analog, not digital, so talking about giving compression to a digital image such as .jpeg or .png was unheard of at the time. But I swear to you, if you take the audio from 8:59-9:01 and convert it to an image file, you will find a very disturbing image.

From what I can tell, it is a young boy with pale skin and a frighteningly twisted face, screaming. I'm still unsure why or how, this could be possible. Was Stockhausen trying to hide something?

I've shown the image to some of my friends, and something very... Unusual happened. Some of them said they could see a white ring in the child's right eye, but others said they couldn't. The strange thing is... The ones who saw the white ring said that they started hearing noises around their homes, most of which sounded like a little boy faintly singing...
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Are any of these Tannhauser DVDs good?
And if not, which should I look for and where can I find it?
(I'm going off the assumption that watching the opera is better than just listening to a CD the first time.)
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Ever heard of the song Minuet in G major? If you haven't, you're lucky.

Minuet in G major was created by Christian Petzold, a famous German composer from the 1720s.

My name is Joseph Tzschirich and I am here to show my findings with the world.

What you are hearing is not music, but a meme converted to audio form. Now, shitposting in 1725-26 were mainly analog, not digital, so talking about giving compression to a digital meme such as .jpeg or .png was unheard of at the time. But I swear to you, if you take the notes from bars 59-61 and convert it to an image file, you will find a very disturbing image.

From what I can tell, it is a smug frog with green skin and a frighteningly twisted face, shitposting. I'm still unsure why or how, this could be possible. Was Petzold trying to hide something?

I've shown the meme to some of my friends, and something very... Unusual happened. Some of them said they could see a white ring in the frog's right eye, but others said they couldn't. The strange thing is... The ones who saw the white ring said that they started hearing noises around their homes, most of which sounded like a little frog faintly memeing...
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Is synthesia free?
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>>108182060
Modern composers probably spend more time in their notation programs and daws than playing piano anyway.
Do you have any other musical skills?
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>>108184455
No, and you shouldn't use it anyway.
Learn to read.
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>>108184557
I've been playing bass and drums in bands and some self-taught guitar. Recently started taking piano and classical guitar lessons. I've also toyed around with DAWs, I spent last summer learning Ableton
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>>108184418
I'm just glad to see this piece credited correctly for once
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>>108184568
I mean an app that I program instruments to play notes.
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Anyone here interested in mircotonal music?
I listened to the Wyschengradsky quarter tone preludes yesterday and I didn't hate them, but there wasn't much that I liked about them either.
Ive's quarter tone pieces btfo Wyschengradsky, especially the first two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jm7uqF9QcQ

I never really liked Ben Johnston's string quartets, but it's been a while since I've heard them.

Are there any other pieces I should check out?
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>>108184217
>>108184255
I mean classical though.
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>>108184663
round these parts we always give petzold the credit he deserves
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Is bumping your head to the rhythm of classical a plebeian trait?
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>>108184791
the disharmony between the two pianos is such a great illustration of the american essence
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>>108184786
Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but check out a notation app like MuScore or a daw like Reaper (not technically free, but the trial is infinite) + a free piano VST like mdaPiano (there are a lot of options for free piano VSTs)
You could also use a truly free daw like LMMS if you just want to work with midi (I don't think LMMS can record audio from microphones).
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>>108184791
you should kill yourself now!
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What are the most eternal melodies? Not just beautiful melodies or themes but ones that are so inimitable everyone can recognise them. Like Beethoven's Ode to Joy, or Wagner's wedding music.
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>>108185350
I'm writing it write now
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>>108183647
how perfect? wasn't tuning all over the place back then?
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>>108176160
Any recordings of this version?
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>>108176198
already did
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>>108184840
keked at the pic
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>>108180687
this already sounded awful and then i looked up images of it and it was even worse than i thought
https://www.wagneropera.net/articles/articles-bayreuth-2013-castorf-ring-skramstad.htm

what the actual fuck is wrong with bayreuth lmao
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>>108185492
In a way, it's probably a good thing Wagnerian singing hasn't been good in decades.
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>>108185492
Boulez irrevocably ruined it.
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>>108185668
You mean Chéreau. I wouldn't really say he ruined it, but it was another step towards bad productions. But there were others before Chéreau who were just as controversial for their time. I think it's just a natural tendency in the arts to have people who want to push the boundaries more and more, which results in each decade of opera production getting worse.

I'm not really that upset about it, though. If anything ti's the only enjoyable aspect of modern Bayreuth performances -- the singing is universally trash, so at the very least I can get a laugh out of the ridiculous productions.
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>>108185732
iirc Chereau wasn't even their first or second choice. I believe Ingmar Bergman was the first choice but he declined because he wasn't a fan of Wagner. Shame, though. His Zauberflote movie is pretty great visually. I bet a Ring from him would've been pretty awesome.
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>>108185732
No, Boulez was the brains behind it. Inviting Chereau was his idea, he taught Chereau everything about Wagner and the Ring. Hence why Chereau's later performances sucked. Boulez even said himself he didn't care about the future of Bayreuth or Wagner's works and he had no responsibility for what happens after.

Wieland's New Bayreuth at least could function along the lines of a tradition, but the Jahrhundertring was bound to be the best reggietheatre and then cast a weight of utterly meaningless innovation for innovation's sake over every Ring after.
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>>108185886
Boulez wanted to bomb opera houses and he was right
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>>108185916
oh yeah? well i want to bomb boulez's house.
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>>108172601
edward played debussy sooo well he is so talented and cute
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>>108185804
>Bergman
He's a massive pseud
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just realized that pianist kind of sounds like penis
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>>108185732
>I think it's just a natural tendency in the arts to have people who want to push the boundaries more and more
I think it's a result of narcissistic directors and producers who feel the need to put their own mark on the things they work on. Often they also want to convey their own message and interpretation of the piece instead of letting the audience draw their own conclusions. It's not enough just making a dramatically good production, it needs to stand out from previous productions of the same piece.

I really wish it wasn't the norm and so encouraged.
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Schubert
https://youtu.be/3uZMrVf_trk
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>I had three teachers: my professor, my papa, and Wagner.
>The Ring is perfection.
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>>108186260
He looks like my uncle
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>>108186482
hey now, both of them may have been gay but at least richter probably didnt molest you
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Fazil Say - Night

Wow, what an incredible piece. These brothers are pretty incredible players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_duUdEB7BBM
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>>108187132
repugnant
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>>108187225
Listen to it a few times. You'll get it.
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>>108187239
insufferable
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How does the fact no good version of The Ring exist makes you feel?
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>>108187317
there is no ideal version but there are definitely good versions
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>>108187317
Happy
Fuck W*gner
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>>108185350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6_X7eyqMA
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>>108184995
Am I supposed to kill myself because I have too much interest in microtonal music, or because I don't like it enough?
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>>108187671
why ask when you could just do it?
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what are some good pieces for when you uhh when uh when you uhhhh
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>>108187352
exemples?
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>>108187723
I usually listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZqQT5904_U
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>>108187735
solti, karajan, bohm
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>>108187614
When does the famous melody come in?
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>>108187723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9aoQx9lFY
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The scene between Alberich and Wotan in Siegfried is so good.

https://youtu.be/mBCNV2o266w?t=807
https://youtu.be/mBCNV2o266w?t=1092
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>>108188023
Dilating music
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can classical music cure depression?
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>>108188132
yes. listen to pettersson symphonies until you’re ready to rope yourself
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>>108187840
come in yo mama
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>>108173865
is Arvo Pärt still alive?
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>>108188264
hppefully not
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>>108188029
And?
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>>108188299
Kek
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>>108172682
Brahms' and Faure's Requiems are optimistic.
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Any tips for learning a piece way, way above your skill level? I've memorised Kassia's arrangement of Vivaldi's winter on piano and have simplified some parts. Broken chords played repeatedly and rapidly are killing me.
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>>108176591

Classical Music was peak European civilization, it is the cultivation of the greatest minds in the greatest field of enlightenment that is "art". Wagner was the best in musical art, Napoleon was the best in military art, Tesla was the best in scientific art, Schopenhauer was the best in philosophical art. This period created some of the greatest men ever recorded in history, it all went downhill after that. There is still hope of going back and respecting our tradition and culture, the people who listen to classical cling to that hope.
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>>108178857
>2016 was years ago
>feels.jpg
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>>108189862

>it all went downhill after that.

this is making me shed tears, HANS PLAY SIEGFRIED'S FUNERAL MARCH
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the b minor fugue from book 2 is so dissapointing...
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>>108189862
>Classical Music was peak European civilization
>posts romantic composer
really nigga?
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>>108190082
you expected the wignat poster to know proper terminology?
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>>108190082
Classical music is usually used to indicate all of common practice period western art music. Hence why this general is called /classical/ and yet baroque and romantic composers are allowed to be discussed.
You know this already, so what was the point of your post?
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Why do Classical era melodies sound so different from other eras?
If you take out all of the harmony and simply make the melody into a single a monophonic line, either in Major or Minor, I may confuse a Baroque melody for a Romantic one, and vice versa, but Classical era melodies always stand out and sound different ("purer", some would say). Why is that? Are they written around different intervals? What's the theory behind it?
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>>108190120
true

>>108190152
>Classical music is usually used to indicate all of common practice period western art music
to retarded plebs, yes, but if you're referring to all western art music, you would call it western canonic or something along the lines of that, the fact that this thread is called "/classical/" is proof that you niggas are posers.
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>>108190277
t. Pseud who just got into classical music
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>>108190277
>>108190120
>>108190082


>NOOOOOOOOO, YOU CANT JUST USE THE RIGHT WORDS, YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY THEM ACCORDING TO OUR TASTE.

kys, nerds.
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>>108190296
This. People who think 'classical' isn't interchangeable with the common practice period are always pseuds.
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>>108190296
>just got into classical music
haven't been listening to classical in a while, mainly baroque and a lot more early modal stuff.
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>>108183986
I like the part where he takes off Brunny's breastplate and shouts like "that's not a man!" and the whole orchestra pauses for comedic effect.
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>>108185804
No, he was the choice for recording the cycle, but not for the staging itself
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>>108190740
if you think about it really siegfried is the ultimate gigachad incel
>doesn’t know what fear is
>kills the dragon-giant that neither the nibelungs nor the gods were able to take care of
>still doesn’t know what fear is
>hears about woman
>has never seen a woman in real life before
>shits himself when he does
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>>108190277
>>108190296
>>108190358
>>108190378

There's classical and there's Classical.
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>>108191010
no, there's classical, then there's western art music.
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>>108190983
don't forget
>calls for his mother to save him
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>>108190983
>>108191436
Someone should upload a full recording of Siegfried to youtube and then have the sigma Christian Bale meme at the end.
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>>108191496
Siegfried isn't a sigma, though. In the end he's a simpma.
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>>108190983
>>108191436
>this is what inbreeding does to a mf
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>>108191577
This is why he failed to quell the curse.
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>>108191577
it’s understandable that a nigga would operate under pussy scarcity mindset, he’s only met 2 in his entire life
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Hagen is the true sigma male
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>>108191756
Dude literally got scared by a dead body lol.
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the classical and romantic periods are, in fact, a stain on the history of western music
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>>108191756
what kind of sigma male gets bent over by his manlet dad
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>>108191845
>>108191895
Seething Siegfriedtroons
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are tristan, gotterdammerung and parsifal the only wagner operas that use his more chromatic post-tonal harmonic language?
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>>108191915
Doesn't the French edition of Tannhauser?
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>>108191979
i guess, but that largely only applies to the overture and the bacchanal.
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Wagner/Wolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KRAWB7yck
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>>108191901
uh settle down hagenchud he got drowned by 3 women
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>>108191992
Doesn't he in general only use chromaticism for the erotic? Makes sense only the Bacchanal would be updated with it.
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>>108192110
gotterdammerung is hardly erotic at all but contains tons of chromaticism that makes it sound particularly hellish compared to the rest of the ring cycle. parsifal's eroticism is mostly in the second act but the whole work is pretty complex harmonically.
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>>108192155
Gotterdammerung is the Wagner opera I've listened to the least, but Hagen's call was pretty spooky on the first listen.
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It's already 2022. Did anyone compose a notable sacral music this millennium?
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>>108192182
i rarely listen to the whole ring cycle because of how long it is but i gave it a listen a few days ago and gotterdammerung really made an impression on me this time around because of how densely chromatic it was, pretty surprising when the rest of it is fairly straightforward.
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>>108178709
Boulez is the greatest composer since Schoenberg.
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>>108192407
schoenberg isn't even the greatest composer since schoenberg
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>>108192427
shoenberg is the greatest composer since thepussy
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>>108192495
de bussy isn't even the greatest composer since de bussy
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>>108192235
Gotterdammerung is a whole other species from the other dramas in the Ring. For both better and worse.

The tiny mixing of leitmotifs together at every second was at first very jarring, and contrasted with the more straightforward emotional lines of Walkure. It's as if Wagner realised he had to find a way of bringing back the countless motifs already developed in the Ring. You can see it starting in Siegfried, but it's still nothing like Gotterdammerung.
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>>108192235
>>108192628
Gotterdammerung is probably my favorite purely musically. I just wish it wasn't so heavy on the recaps. At least it's a total ball from Act 2 on.
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>>108192775
>Gotterdammerung is probably my favorite purely musically.
What about favourite drama?
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Wagnerbros, what are your other favorite operas?
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>>108192872
Wozzeck, Pelleas, the usual Mozart operas, Otello and Falstaff, Bluebeard's Castle, Moses und Aron (tons of tributes to Wagner in this one), the list goes on...

I can't really get into baroque opera, though. No matter how much I try. Rameau's music is pretty delicious as excerpts, at least.
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>>108185508
How so?
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>>108192937
people always talk about wozzeck but not lulu, wonder why.
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>>108192964
I think Wozzeck is better than Lulu. Tighter libretto. Tighter musically. I do like Lulu as well, but I think everyone should hear the opera that Berg actually finished first.
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>>108192964
Lulu is twice as long with a weirder plot and denser music, that filters out most off the riff raff
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>>108192992
lulu was finished in short score, and i haven't seen anything indicating that it's missing counterpoint and harmony the way the mahler 10 short score is.
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>>108193038
Sure, but we never really know whether or not Berg would have made changes. Wagner for example was making changes to the Ring during the actual rehearsals. I think the completion was quite good and I enjoy the Boulez premiere of it, but I can't get that thought out of the back of my head.

Of course it's nowhere near comparable to Mahler 10 where only the first movement and third movement are satisfying.
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is sergei prokofiev any good?
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>>108193096
He could be variable but he has a few masterpieces.
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>>108193095
the mahler 10 isn't as good as it would have been if mahler had finished it, but it's absolutely satisfying. the final movement is one of the best things he ever wrote just for the flute melody alone, even if the pacing isn't perfect.
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>>108193145
It's mostly the 2nd and 4th movements that lose me. Do you have a preferred recording? I'll try to reevaluate it.
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>>108178680
>2010
Did you hear that new Richter joint?
Yes. A masterpiece.
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>>108193279
the 4th movement is definitely the weakest because the transitions between sections are not 100% there but the 2nd movement was actually partially orchestrated by mahler and in terms of pacing and development is very well thought out. my favorite recording is thomas daugaard.
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>>108192937
Love me Purcell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMkSf8I2bE
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>>108193096
Of course. Piano Concerto No. 3 stands out to me. Also check out his Piano Sonata No. 2,6,7,8.

I've always like this shorter piano piece too (Suggestion Diabolique):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JDGyPG-7M

http://www.classical.net/music/comp.lst/prokofieff.php
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>>108192872
I like Strauss's operas. Though Strauss developed his own musical style you hear a lot of Wagner's influence in his operas.

And on the opposite end, Weber's Der Freischütz is like a forerunner to Wagner. Same with Bellini's Norma with its close connection between lyrics and never-ending melodic lines. Both were works that Wagner admired too.
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new general?
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New thread
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>>108194054
>>108194054



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