Fauré Editionhttps://youtu.be/y67VNE3GQbEThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious Thread: >>106436013
Any chart for someone completely new to classical? :>
gay thread>>106463260gay poster lol2Y ONIONS
>>106463568Why is it so clacky? I actually kinda like it
>>106464889Why do you like it?
Bach Cello Suite 1 on Harpischord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVObdxesQZo
>>106465214because he’s gay and retarded
Who's your favourite composer? Mine's Manuel María De Los Dolores Clemente Ramón Del Sagrado Corazón De Jesús Falla Y Matheu.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5z7f4HHxg
>>106465331Unironically based and underrated
SO thanks to the dudes who pointed out I was missing two of Messiaen's three main song cycles. Turns out they're equally great. I don't know why I didn't like them first time round, but then again that was years ago and I was still struggling to enjoy the song genre. Still not gonna give his post-'74 works another chance, the magic is gone from them. I don't care how long he worked on St Francis, it just doesn't hold up.>>106463145I unironically love it when two artists I enjoy shit on eachother and/or keep long flamewars going, regardless of discipline. Am I alone in this?
>>106465368>De Falla>UnderratedBased yes, but if you think he's underrated just wait till you hear about Pedrell, Ibanez, Granados and Turina
>>106463260Start with the following ones:Karlheinz StockhausenMorton FeldmanJohn CageIannis XenakisGyörgy LigetiOlivier MessiaenKrzysztof Penderecki
Bach Orchestrated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCd3O1_cC8A
>>106465768get those talentless yanks off that list and it's legit (at least up to the mid '70s)
>>106465768Don't you dare lump in Messiaen with those postmo chimps
>>106465768le epic troll fellow 4channer *tips*
>>106465942all of those composers are good, except the jews-- I mean except the americans
>>106466154this except all of them are bad including the jews and americans
>>106466309not as shit as their music
god classical music is so gay.
>>106466484your fault for listening exclusively to tchaikovsky
>>106462853>Faurébased in more ways than one>Contemporary accounts agree that Fauré was extremely attractive to women;[n 6] in Duchen's phrase, "his conquests were legion in the Paris salons." After a romantic attachment to the singer Emma Bardac from around 1892, followed by another to the composer Adela Maddison, in 1900 Fauré met the pianist Marguerite Hasselmans, the daughter of Alphonse Hasselmans. This led to a relationship which lasted for the rest of Fauré's life. He maintained her in a Paris apartment, and she acted openly as his companionIt's a shame that he had to experience deafness towards the end of his life
>>106466487Yeah, he should listen to composers such as Handel, Schubert and Chopin. No, wait-
How come I can't enjoy the compositions from some races? Finns and jews mostly. Also I am so good at determining jewish music from non-jewish music that just a few seconds is all I need from a TV until i make my verdict then start searching to verify my biases. I'm more confused about Sibelius, everyone seems to like him and yet it's awful
>>106466534>from some races?it's just plain old racism, that you're trying to justify, which isn't working
>>106466578but i can equally practice spiritual racism as described by yockey. that's not old school, but the spiritual difference between me and the jew would be the jew's tendency to linguistic determinism
>>106466534>it's awfulI'm sorry, anon
>>106466592ooooooooooh you're a schizo, why didn't you say so first
>>106466534uh, that's because you're obviously a superior white übermensch and have superhuman taste and judgment, doy
>>106466630I'm not white.
>>106466534>Finnsname five finnish composers other than Sibelius and what you dislike about a specific piece by each
>>106466640I know, that's why your post is such garbage and also probably why you dont' realise when someone's being ironic, though that might be just your autism
>>106466655>66655racist mutt "savant" BTFO
>>106466646lol he googlin
So what do you guys think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viwqLM05YF8
>>106466792I think Mussorgsky didn't write nearly enough music
rec me some stuff similar to lohengrin
>>106466532schubert was straight btw
>>106466792>the average /classical/ user
>>106466825hormone replacement treatment
Are the imslp servers down for everyone ?
>>106466860already on it
We've come to the point that if we were to replace /classical/ with /schizo/ the result wouldn't be much different. Sad.
>>106467124shut up shut up shut up
>>106466534Here's a tip: you don't dislike finnish composers because they are finnish, but because they are shit.
is it me or chopin can't finish a piece well??he always starts every piece very strongly, presenting some good material. but then shoots himself in the foot, and the rest of music is just repeating itself without any sort of development. not going anywhereinteresting
>>106462853>FauréWhat an absolute Chad.
>Handel keyboard suites on pianoHoly shit. Now I understand why he was Beethoven's favorite composer.
>>106466534>Finns and jews>racesThis is your brain on 4chan. Meds, now, and go outside.
>>106466825Swan Lake. Without a doubt influenced by Lohengrin.
>>106468172Get the Richter on EMI
Had a dream Dave Hurwitz made a video making fun of fat activists who were claiming classical music was humiliating then by being well-proportioned.
>>106462853>The hiss obsessed germanophile was sleep so finally someone managed to make a thread with a non-german composerits a good start to reduce the shitposting
>>106467939https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et1uOQLV_NAyes, they sound great on piano
>>106468172Listen to this, you won't regret it.Handel... I kneel.
>>106469008That recording has the D Minor Sarabande played so FUCKING slow though. I believe it's marked andante and they play it like it's Largissimo. The rest of it is fine.
Where to start with Myaskovsky? Best works and recordings if you have recs.
>>106468172best recording herehttps://youtu.be/HrXOVNzTeKo
>>106468277>dream [of] Dave Hurwitzsounds more like a nightmare
>Orlande de Lassus (also Roland de Lassus, Orlando di Lasso, Orlandus Lassus, Orlande de Lattre or Roland de Lattre)Why?
>>106473886Because he worked at courts in France, Italy and Germany
>>106467738>is it me or chopin can't finish a piece well??nahhttps://youtu.be/cID2mePGpqk?t=648
>>106472811Symphony No.5https://youtu.be/pTRWyJiu4hg Symphony No.6https://youtu.be/zl9lR9DcUOs Symphony No.17https://youtu.be/Xudu2gNcPqw Cello Concertohttps://youtu.be/ih7L5bv-W5I Silencehttps://youtu.be/Sbbx3rDM8zo String Quartet No.1https://youtu.be/LsUYdQgzzz0 String Quartet No.13https://youtu.be/hdapC3rTuAs
Fucking faggots acting like this is the hottest shit in town.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBSnzK-zwFo
>>106474224Thank you, anon!
>>106473618It was pretty funny to be honest. He played a clip of a fat activist woman in her car screaming about how Haydn was too neat and well-proportioned and it made her feel ugly and oppressed so he needed to be excluded from concert programming. Then he did a funny impression of her.
i would kill myself if i watched enough hurwitz videos to start dreaming about him
>>106474640Hurwitz himself is prone to being that way when it comes to Wagner albeit to a lesser to degree
>>106466866They seem fine to me now. Was fine about 4 hours ago too I think.
>>106474801She's so fucking boring I have no idea why people want to shill her. I mean I know _why_ but still.
>>106475039uh shes brown and a woman chud
>>106475053So was Anna Magdalena (the women who REALLY wrote all of "Bach's" music)
>>106475098you know who else was brown? “mozart” real name moFART
>>106474801damn this is some serious crap
>>106475169daily reminder that Beethoven was a roman half negro
>>106472811>>106474224>>106474451>listening to the father of soviet realismeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>>106475692Pretty sure he was a liberal who just went along with it because he had to like a lot of those guys.
Saint-Saëns was gay. Mendelssohn was trans. Wagner wore diapers and womens' clothing. Scriabin was asexual. Grieg was genderfluid. Brahms identified as a black woman. These are all facts. You all white cis-males need to cope with it.
>>106475727and by going along with it he created shit music for shit people
>>106475728I like how you included Wagner's crossdressing habits there to make it seem like its not true
>>106475786all of what I said is true
>>106475786This kekPretending like it's not a historical fact
>>106475786>>106475874or did he include it to make everything else seem true, hmmmmmm?
>Rees comments that although there is no firm evidence, some biographers believe that Saint-Saëns was more attracted to his own sex than to women.> In a 2012 study of the composer's private life, Mitchell Morris mentions but classes as apocryphal a story attributing to Saint-Saëns the remark, "Je ne suis pas homosexuel. Je suis pédéraste". According to Benjamin Ivry in a 2000 biography of Maurice Ravel, Saint-Saëns "was plagued by blackmailing letters from North African men he paid, apparently too little, for sex"; Ivry cites no authority for the statement. Stephen Studd (1999) and Kenneth Ring (2002) conclude that apart from his marriage, Saint-Saëns's relationships and inclinations were platonic. The composer himself was indifferent to rumours about him: "If it is said that I have a bad character, I assure you that it is all the same to me. Take me as I am."...huh
>>106475955>apocryphal sounds like he was demisexual though
>>106475969demi what? speak english you retard
>>106476020this is an english website
>>106476084lol no it's not
Is it the same two anons who start treating this general like an IM chatroom every thread, or are there multiple people doing this
>s-speak english u retard ;_;
What's the best recording of Max Reger's Violin Concerto?
anyone following the chopin competition?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo3Vm6rOfTo
>>106476211you already know the answer
>>106475955>"Je ne suis pas homosexuel. Je suis pédéraste"Saint-Saëns diddled little boys confirmed
>>106476322shut up, nobody cares
>>106476322yeah some faggot
>>106476433what? speak english you retard
Why do these threads always spiral into absolute dogshit
>>106476562because its posters are absolute dogshit
>>106476562jannies or mods shitpost here
>>106476612Hey, I resent that. I might be a shitposter but I'm no jannie or mod. I still have some dignity left. Have some respect.
Just popped open some sheets for Mozart piano sonatas and I think I'm starting to get that guy who gets horny playing them. I mean I don't get horny, but it does give me some nice kind of feeling, and it's quite refreshing from the previous couple of years I've just been playing Bach and bombastic Beethoven sonatas.
>>106475692He was more of a post-romantic Russian catched in a really bad situation.
>>106476562Because there is full of dogshit users who use it as their personal blog
>>106477239Prokofiev instisted him to do so, specially considering his music was very well received outside, but Myaskovsky apparently didn't want to.
>Soprano clef>tenor clef>sub-bass clefI just wanted to read some Palestrina. I can deal with a little alto, but this is ridiculous.
>>106477343because he was a soviet cuck
>>106477690>can’t read tenor clefNGMI
>>106477693Yeah anon, everyone except you is a cuck
>>106475786It was just silk bro, it's not like he wore pigtails and demanded to be called Richardine.
>>106477754nah, just soviet realists. And you.
>>106477822justifying degeneracyyou're sick
This oratorio is gorgeoushttps://youtu.be/egT7myRzJYU
Pewds based Wagnerian.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-qoaioG2UA
Did you know that Wagner wore pigtails and demanded to be called Richardine?
>>106477960Degeneracy is based
>>106478532as real as rainbows>>106478453>>106478662cringe
>Degeneracy is based
>>106462853I really like Schubert’s Winterreise, any more works like it?
>>106479269Schubert's Die Schöne Müllerin and Schwanengesang, Schumann's Liederkreis (op 24), Myrthen, Liederkreis (op 39) and Dichterliebe
>>106476322i'm following itthe jury is stuffed with polish shithead and they are voting all the low quality polish competitors through all the rounds, it's sickening.luckily there are some good performers surviving despite this bullshit, like kyohei sorita holy fuck
>>106479444>kyohei soritaasians have no soul
>Mostly taxpayer funded>subscription still costs $20/month or $200/year
>>106479538>paying for scores
>>106479795there's more but it's all a bit more modernist than you'd like, probably. Most of what Hugo Wolf wrote comes to mind, and Hindemith's Das Marienleben. Then there's Mahler, the second viennese school, and Messiaen, but that's probably too distanced from the romantic school of Schubert for your taste.
>>106479849I'd like to propose Hanns Eisler's song cycle Zeitungsausschnitte, Op. 11 is added to that family tree
Which one of you fucking liars told me Chopin's piano concertos were shit?
>>106480150the voices in your head, schizo
>>106480166They were the ones who told me to put no. 1 on you fucking retard
>>106480150problem with them, if it's a problem at all, is that they're less "concertos" and more sonatas with light orchestral accompaniment, but yeah, they're great
>>106480184Oh? The voices in your head have conflicting points of view? Wow, would've never expected that from a schizo
chopin fucked the orchestra like he was fucking his ugly step-aunt
>>106480188interesting take, I can definitely see it as I listen to the first movement of #1.>>106480247it was probably this guy >>106480273
>>106480313it was probably this guy >>106480150
>>106480323I bet you listen to Berlioz
>>106480371only the symphonie fantastique and only once every few months
which one of you told me chopin never wrote chamber music....
>>106480371I do, what of it
>>106480409nigger you can just google that shit
Chopin sucksI only listen to Buxtehude and even then only the three fugue he wrote for organ.
>>106481279what a strange way to declare to the world that you're an earlet
>>106481300what a strange way to declare to the world that you're an earlet
>>106479464I assume you're a troll, and if you're in this thread you've been to a concert or conservatory in the last 20 years
>>106481405assume whatever you want, soullet
>>106481405Go to bed ching chong
>>106481395what a strange way to declare to the world that you're an earlet
>>106476937>Mozart>Bach>Beethovenget better taste
>>106481619nice /v/ meme
>>106481619This picture seems to be trying to make two opposing points at the same time. It also looks like a schizo did it. Just listen to music, for fuck's sake
>>106481636>nice /v/ meme
>>106481664nice /pol/ meme
>>106481664no selfies allowed
>>106481682that's a /qa/ meme though
>>106481698i wouldn't know, i don't browse either board.
>>106462853I don't want to spend time studiyng and learning to appreciate good classical music "the right way" I'd just stay being tourist I guess
>>106481715then what made you say it was from a specific board on the first place
>>106481738nothing in particular
shut the fuck up about fugues, they aren't even that interesting. a fugue isn't even a type of music per se
i realized why i only liked minor key pieces... i was depressed.ever since starting Wellbutrin I'm finding myself enjoying major key pieces a lot.
You are mad. https://youtu.be/DAmgeYjgfyk?t=358
>>106481762sure thing, cuck
why is this thread so consistently low quality
>>106481803you seem upset
>>106481866because of you
>>106481841yeah you're right, reddit's more apt for faggots like >>106481766
>>106481892take your meds redditor tranny
>>106481908nice projection, musiclet
>>106481766I will cum in you if you keep saying such retarded shit.
>>106481619Name one composer that you wouldn't consider onions then. I dare you to say Wagner.
>>106481824>>106481892>>106481979look at the triggered fuguetrannies come out of the woodwork
>>106482004Ok thats it, im gonna start cumming.
>look at the triggered fuguetrannies come out of the woodwork
>>106482008Decent pick honestly. Still parsecs behind Bach & Beethoven though you cumguzzler.
>>106482016Satie is potentially the most s. oy composer to ever live.
>>106482032well I didn't want to mention composers already in that retarded wojak pic, what would be the point in that
>>106482059not according to >>106481619
>>106482059not by a long shot
>>106481735Its not that difficult, I started taking 20-30mg of Diazepam daily and have been able to create visual scores in my head while listening to Mahler symphonies.
>>106482080Who the fuck are these people mate this is the crustiest image I've ever seen
>>106482086>while listening to Mahler symphoniesno fucking wonder, you need to stupefy yourself in order to do that
>>106482109oh no no no no no no no no no
>>106482109I stupefy myself to cum in your booty hole ;)
>>106482119calm down before you melt down, autist
>I stupefy myself to cum in your booty hole ;)
>>106482139hope you're into scat because I'm about to take a huge dump
>>106482155don't be jealous, there's enough cum for both of you ;)
>>106481998Morton Feldman, Christian Wolff, John Cage, Anton Webern, Satie, Steve Reich, Phillip Glass
>>106482141Colossal projection. only an autist would be unable to discern the raw emotion of Mahler's 9th
>>106482195>liking a Jewish born composer is /pol/ now
>>106482215Mahler isnt a jew, its a conspiracy theory
>>106482215oops, looks like I confused Wagner and Mahler. Carry on goyim
>>106482008>>106482016>>106482176all onions composers
>>106482236Boy imma stick some onions up your ass
I stumbled upon this opera by chance and really enjoyed it. Anything similar?
>>106481866Two or three faggots wont stop arguing and picking their opinions contrary to whatever the other faggots say.
>>106482236guess only onions make good music then. Even cowshit has some use in this world after all
Vivaldi only wrote one fugue because he realized they were a constraining format. By the Romance era everyone else figured this out and stopped writing fugues
>>106482339onions composers make great music for basedboys like you
>>106482374lol what a shit take, brainlet
>>106482374What form doesn’t constrain if you abide by the “rules?”
>>106482377I *am* based, thank you
>>106482391there are barely rules for say symphonies compared to fugues
Music for people who each lunch alone at work?
>>106482427>you're wrong because I said sodilate
>>106482438lol what a cope, brainlet
>>106482450seethe harder, no fugues have been written in the last century for good reason and its because they're a tranny format
>>106482404you are onions
>>106482374But boy wasn't it a great piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5VlNZWJ3f0
>>106482483At least post the good versionhttps://youtu.be/nVGYXFGaLqk
>>106482416Symphonies can be constraining in other ways though. Quite a few musical ideas cannot be properly expressed in the context of a huge symphony. Anyway, these are such different forms, they both have their place. Why are you attacking fugues anyway? This is such a dumb discussion
>>106482518then write a concerto or sonata
>>106481796for this bitch>>106481766
>>106482512cheers bro I just grabbed the first link on youtube, this version is great
GOAT Waldstein sonatashttps://youtu.be/gVcfTzw9BRohttps://youtu.be/56o6onZ4NnUhttps://youtu.be/vKQZknhcsss
>>106482457lol how much of a tourist can you be
>>106482457The best piece composed in the past decade was a fugue
>>106482463I'm not a great composer myself, no
>>106482483>>106482512pretty good but I raise you RV 331https://youtu.be/ll-aYeZHX-A
>>106481300Earlets are listening to Chopin as we speak
Do you actually like classical music or are you just racist?
>>106483253I'm not racist but chuds who like Wagner are
>>106483080I'm listening to Chopin, and I'm not an earlet.
>>106483253we're all transsexual M2F girls who love Wagner and pretty much nothing else because what's the point in listening to anything other than Wagner?
So what's /classical/ opinion about Castlevania SOTN ost?In case you haven't heard it already, here are some selected pieces of it you might enjoy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL0UoyFS7Wwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquad3rnZSIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RqGeEsXJWYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jkyKXYvTY
>>106483253Both, as any chad.
>>106483486>So what's /classical/ opinion about Castlevania SOTN ost?>In case you haven't heard it already, here are some selected pieces of it you might enjoy:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL0UoyFS7Ww>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquad3rnZSI>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RqGeEsXJWY>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jkyKXYvTY
>>106483493No, it's music, here we discuss music, in /v/ we shitpost about graphics and gameplay, mostly about trannies.>>106483514Ok, that sums up your opinion about it, that's what I wanted to know.
>>106483554>here we discuss music>>>/mu/
>>106483486I haven't played it but I'll reflexively say that PoR is a better game.
>>106483577>I haven't played it... but x is betterAre you a /v/ user by any chance?
>>106483604lel no. SOTN seems cool though, maybe I'll play it on emulator some day.>>106483615This is infinity more entertaining than whatever was going on before. Go ahead though maybe if you post an image of contrapoints or bring up a dead and overblown "war" between late 19th century composers again you'll get someone to laugh for once.
>>106483654shh, calm down babe
>>106483514>>106483493>>106483615You are so boring, you know that you could have just said "I like it/I don't like it" and the discussion would be done even quicker, right?
>>106483290Oh nononono...>>106483486It's not classical but I like it as video game music
>>106483679This is the worst board on the site buddy and we're damn proud of it
>>106483679babe please you're making a scene
>>106483682Yeah of course is not classical, but I still think it's an interesting discussion, since a damn vidyagaem has better baroque compositions than the whole musical movement in the recent years.But maybe i'm giving to much attenton to the fact that it's a videogame, while the reason of this may be only in the fact that a jap composed it.The idea of discussing it on here may have been a mistake though.
>vidyagame OST has harpsichord therefore baroque
Classical music doesn't do it for me anymore.
>>106484061listen to baroque
>>106484087Bach and Vivaldi
>>106484087Bach, handel, vivaldi (suck it, he's good), zelenka, but mainly bach.What's your problem anyway?Classical music doesn't release dopamine anymore?
>>106484008Seethe harder.What's your argument anyways?>"the music comes from a console, therefore that music must be romantic or something else, but can't be baroque!"That's stupid, also, it's more sofisticated that any music you could ever produce. So, again, seethe.
>>106484167>it's more sofisticated that any music you could ever produce.I'm not a composer nigga
>>106484061newsflash, shitheat, if it doesn't "do" it for you anymore then it never "did" and you've been a posturing faggot all along>>106484167what the fuck are you talking about you rambling lunatic? Go back to /v/
>>106484116I got into Bach and it ruined classical music for me. I can only listen to Bach now and I find Mozart, Beethoven, etc. unbearable. I will check out other Baroque composers.
>>106484178Nah I think I just outgrew it.
>>106484203lord what a fucking tryhard
>>106484203Yeah don't listen to those.
>>106484229you're a proper child and should probably stick to chiptune
We missed Ralph Vaughan Williams' birthday...https://youtu.be/mvH9rHMuj5g
>>106483858>since a damn vidyagaem has better baroque compositions than the whole musical movement in the recent years.Let's not be silly now anon.
>posts are six seconds apart>LOL SAMEFAG
>>106484247>>106484231>>106484178Why does another person's harmless opinion provoke you so much?
>Why does another person's harmless opinion provoke you so much?
>>106484241You can't post 2 replies in the same minute, retard, are you implying that i'm posting through 2 different devices?You are the pinnacle of autism in this thread.
>>106484294sorry didn't realize you were a poorfag
there's something about baroque music that isn't superficial and posh like classical music. classical music feels so dated and anachronistic to be listening to it in 2021? do you get what I mean?
>this whole thread
>>106484343you first, reddit meme poster
>>106484343I feel like a couple of trolls decided to make this general their toilet a few months ago or something and it just hasn't let up.
>>106484311Ya I get you have bad taste.
new thread >>106484441
>>106484445There's already a new thread anon.
>>106484452This thread is an embarrassing flood of wojak spam and off-topic garbage, and you complain about that post? Take off the veil of irony for once in your life you self-conscious fashion-seeking faggot.
>>106484497Don't feed the troll.
>This thread is an embarrassing flood of wojak spam and off-topic garbage, and you complain about that post? Take off the veil of irony for once in your life you self-conscious fashion-seeking faggot.
>>106484511You're right, it's my bad. I was looking in the archive earlier and it struck me how the threads weren't anywhere near this awful even early on this year, so it annoyed me particularly.
>>106483486>>106483554>>106483654>>106483679>>106484167>>106484280do /v/tards really?
>>106484496Yeah I'm not using your shitpost thread anon
>>106484268I'm not listening to your shit, Leila.