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It’s not that bad
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Listen to Gone! and say that with a straight face.

How the fuck do you go from Kiss Me, Disintegration, and Wish to that steaming pile of shit??
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>>105957155
Oh so you’re going to pretend like Wish didn’t have Apart, Trust, to wish impossible things, High, Wendy Time, and Doing the Unstuck?

Kiss Me had loads of stinkers too
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I like mint car
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club america might have the worst lyrics of all time
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>>105957019
problem is that even if that was true, ”not that bad” doesn’t cut it when you’ve got staring at the sea and disintegration in your catalog
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>>105957433
Wtf are you saying?
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>>105957019
"This is a Lie" is a great song. Besides that song, it's a decent album overall, but definitely not great.

>>105957240

What are you talking about? Trust and Apart are two of their greatest ever songs. Are you mental?
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>>105957540
>Trust and Apart are two of their greatest ever songs.
No, it’s actually embarrassing that the guy who wrote Same Deep Water as You and Disintegration wrote these trite songs.
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>>105957599
What, exactly, is wrong with Apart? It's a masterpiece.
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>>105957155
You try to appeal to Britpop tastes
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>>105957470
that there's no reason to sit through a bloated, antagonistic "unload on the wall and pretend it all sticks" one-hour turd if it doesn't even attempt to reach the standards set by previous releases. it is musically, aesthetically and temperamentally a disastrous failure, delivered under a thin veneer of the "kaleidoscopic madness" variety already accomplished on KMKMKM. but even a diet wish would've cheapened the cure name

>>105957798
i'll give you return, which sounds like boo radleys, and maybe trap, but what else on this album is britpop? if anything, many of the tracks are more reminiscent of jesus jones-era indie, which was dated as hell in 1996
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Want is one of my favorite The Cure songs...
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Jupiter crash is great
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>>105957019
Falls apart after the great opening track
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>>105957985
Yeah that’s a good one
And I like Mint Car way more than Friday I’m in Love
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Bare is a top 20 The Cure song, and arguably a top 10.

You cannot prove me wrong.
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I think the problem is that there's a few truly awful songs in the mix of the remainder which is mostly decent.
>The 13th
>Round & Round & Round
>Gone!
All terrible. I'd also add Treasure to that but that seems to be one of the most popular on here so I'm evidently just missing something.

Also this >>105957376
I like Club America musically but the lyrics are terrible, and there's a few others like that. Return is probably one of my favourites musically but the lyrics make me cringe


>>105957240
Doing the Unstuck and High are both great, Apart and Trust are two of their best songs. Baffling take.
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>>105957019
>>105957155
>>105957240
It's not just not that bad, it's damn good. It's better than Wish. And both of those are better than Pornography, which is probably in their bottom 3 albums.

The only skips on WMS are the meh "Round & Round & Round" and "Trap". Maybe "This is a Lie" and "Gone!" will get skipped if I'm saving time.
"Club America" and "Numb" are good but not great, but every track remaining is great or fantastic.

While I argue WMS is better overall than Wish, the amount of hate WMS gets from Cure fans with the amount of adoration Wish gets doesn't make any sense – they're not THAT different, sonically. It's just that WMS does plenty of the Wish sound, but also varies it up a bit. It's less monotone.

On Wish, "Open" is a good opener; "End" is an okay closer. "Apart" is fairly great, so is "Doing the Unstuck" (though the Saunders 12" Remix is better). "To Wish Impossible Things" is probably the best on the album, to me. "Trust" and "A Letter to Elise" are decent; passable. But for the most part, Wish is just solid without standing out almost anywhere. Yet it's got this ~14min stretch of absolute boredom with "From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" into "Wendy Time", and another 6 minutes later in the album for "Cut". If we cut those 3 tracks right there, we could have had a 1LP that's way more palatable.

I know: we could do the same thing for WMS and it would improve the results. But if you cut out those 4 skips I mentioned previously, you're left with better material than what's left on Wish; simple as that.

And Kiss Me has its own skips, like "Torture", "How Beautiful You Are", and especially "All I Want" and even MORE especially "Why Can't I Be You".

As always, there are absolutely fantastic b-sides for every album era and Join The Dots is incredible for including most of 'em. "This Twilight Garden", "Play", "Halo", & "The Big Hand" could have brought Wish into the next tier up. Even "Scared As You" would have bested most of the album.
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>>105959332
Actually, my jury is still out on whether Wish is better than Pornography. They're very even and both a bit flat.
Regardless, neither is anywhere near the best of this incredible band's material.
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>>105959332
>It's not just not that bad, it's damn good. It's better than Wish. And both of those are better than Pornography, which is probably in their bottom 3 albums.

Holy pleb
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>>105959332
>And both of those are better than Pornography, which is probably in their bottom 3 albums.
>Maybe "This is a Lie" will get skipped if I'm saving time.
>Yet it's got this ~14min stretch of absolute boredom with "From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea" into "Wendy Time", and another 6 minutes later in the album for "Cut". If we cut those 3 tracks right there, we could have had a 1LP that's way more palatable.
>And Kiss Me has its own skips, like "Torture", "How Beautiful You Are", and especially "All I Want" and even MORE especially "Why Can't I Be You".
Am I being trolled here? I get that music is subjective but I cannot understand or sympathise with any of these takes.

Agree with WMS getting unfairly trashed compared to Wish though, sort of.
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>>105959332
>"From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea"
>boring
We're reaching pleb levels that should not be possible.
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>>105959332
How Beautiful You Are is a top three track on KMKMKM.

You’re nuts.
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>>105957019
You're right, it's worse
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>>105959332
9/10 bait, the Pornography line tipped me off, but this is excellently done.
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>>105959695
If he’s just into pop Cure it could very well be that he doesn’t like Pornography. It’s supposed to be a rough thing to listen to, and it is.
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>>105959712
He said it was bottom 3. Anyone who's into pop Cure wouldn't bother to put that line in there just because they hold that opinion, even if it is true for them. They said that specifically because they know Pornography is their most beloved album on /mu/.
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>>105959735
Yeah true
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Not trolling here but I’ve always felt Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me is overrated. There are some really great songs on it.

The Kiss, Catch, If Only Tonight We Could Sleep, How Beautiful You Are, Just Like Heaven and The Perfect Girl.

You can get rid of everything else on that ablum if you ask me.
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>>105959838
Don't worry, I won't ask you
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>>105959866
Go to bed fucking moron
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>>105959838
of course it's overrated, it's a double album
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>>105959838
I don't think that's too unpopular of an opinion, even those that like it usually have a couple of tracks they'd cut from it. Personally I'd get rid of The Snakepit, it's too much of a slog, but the rest of the album is fine the way it is.
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>>105959897
You have it backwards, double albums are usually underrated, not overrated. Take pic related as an example.
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>>105959999
nice digits, but even they can't save sandinista. it's a piece of shit
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>>105959999
>double albums are usually underrated
Not at all
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>>105959999
that isn't even a double album
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>>105959535
Okay, what are your bottom 3 Cure albums? If you're going to say BF=>s/t=>4:13, then what's your 4th? Do you think Wish or KM are flawless/no skips?

Because I contend that while maybe being spottier overall/less balanced, for me I sometimes prefer the dynamics & 'higher highs' on the 2000s albums than Pornography or Wish.

I can't be certain those last two are in my bottom 3 – this is a GOAT band we're discussing here, and I don't think they've ever put out a bad album, honestly. But I absolutely believe those two don't deserve Top 3 status, where I too often see them.

And for what it's worth, I often use the preferable Demo and/or Live versions from the deluxe edition in place of many of the Album takes on Pornography. Thankfully, that helps up that eras replay value for me.

>>105959649
If the Top 7 are The Kiss, If Only Tonight..., The Snakepit, One More Time, Like Cockatoos, The Perfect Girl, and A Thousand Hours, how is that possible?
I'll concede that "Torture" and "How Beautiful You Are" are still decent songs. "All I Want" is meh. But if I'm not just listening to the whole thing straight through, they'll sometimes get skipped over as well. Or replaced by b-sides.

>>105959695
>>105959712
>>105959735
What high points are there for any of you on Pornography? What song breaks beyond simply being "okay"? I'd say "Siamese Twins" and "Cold", probably the title track are fully good, and perhaps "A Strange Day".
To me, Faith + "Carnage Visors" pulled off the same bleak, drained-of-life, often dirge-like vibe, yet graced us with some melodies to listen to as well.

>>105959838
At the very least, dat pan flute or w/e on "One More Time" doesn't tug at your soulstrings? "Like Cockatoos" is fantastic VGM-core. Even "Icing Sugar" is like a Pornography song if it was actually entertaining.

>>105959935
One day, "The Snakepit" caught me and I was able to appreciate the scene it puts me in. Ya gotta be in the mood, I guess.

>>105959999
Great album.
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>>105959332
Good bait. You had me until the edge of the deep green sea line
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>>105960073
>Okay, what are your bottom 3 Cure albums? If you're going to say BF=>s/t=>4:13, then what's your 4th?
My fourth and fifth would be WMS and Bloodflowers, with The Top joining s/t and 4:13 in the bottom 3. Since that probably isn't the answer you're looking for, the sixth would be TIB because they improved the moody post-punk forumla in the next three records and some of the (I guess) gimmickyness of it hasn't aged all that well. Also partially because the American version was almost a complete upgrade.

>Do you think Wish or KM are flawless/no skips?
Wish absolutely not, Wendy Time, Letter to Elise, and To Wish Impossible Things could all be easily cut from it. KMx3 is very close to it, there were a few I used to not be able to tolerate (Catch, If Only Tonight, The Snakepit, Like Cockatoos, A Thousand Hours, Fight) but they've all grown on me significantly with time, some of which are some of the best on the record. If I'm to fault KMx3 for anything it's that Hot Hot Hot is pretty basic and there's isn't anything more to unpack after the first time you've heard it, wouldn't call it bad but it feels like filler.

>Because I contend that while maybe being spottier overall/less balanced, for me I sometimes prefer the dynamics & 'higher highs' on the 2000s albums than Pornography or Wish.
Wish is the definition of a "higher high" albums (no pun intended) the key songs on it are so good that I overlook the ones that drag it down. WMS is probably the only other album where this applies. Maybe Bloodflowers too.

>I can't be certain those last two are in my bottom 3 – this is a GOAT band we're discussing here, and [...]
All right, that's understandable.

>And for what it's worth, I often use the preferable Demo and/or Live versions from the deluxe edition in place of many of the Album takes on Pornography. Thankfully, that helps up that eras replay value for me.
I've not actually listened to the Deluxe edition, guess I'll give it a spin



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