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Tchaik edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPzRySvOIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfCY-pN4Jc

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Previous: >>104840948
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Romantic era was a mistake
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I don't like Tchaikovsky at all.
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>>104868325

Mozart 19
Bartok 2
Brahms 2
Prokofiev 3
Ravel left hand
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What are your favourite pianists for middle to late Debussy, i.e. the Images, Préludes and Etudes?
I've listened to Pollini, Ciccolini and Michelangeli so far.
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>>104870390
Whoops.. meant to quote
>>104868230
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>>104870400
Philippe Entremont
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>>104870284
>>104870335
Why?
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Weber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-xj606Q-8
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>>104870400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1opg2ry8Rkg
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can't stop bumping this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkoBD0XGTdo
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>Difficulty of the piece comes from memorization
I unironically prefer grinding through technically demanding but mentally easier pieces
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>>104870721
>Piece is not that difficult to memorize initially but you forget it after not playing it for a week
Takes the fun out of Bach for me
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>>104870738
you don't need to memorize it, just learn how to sightread
>inb4 I can't sight read a 5 voices fugue
get better chopinfag
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Currently learning my second Chopin Nocturne (Op. 9 No. 2) after 1 year and 9 months of piano. Starting to realize that Chopin might be my favorite composer
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telemann
https://youtu.be/TEouvZI2NVE
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what are the best clementi sonatas
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>>104870251
Which one of the Bach sons do you like the most? For me its C.P.E and his Berlin symphonies
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>>104870400
Debussy
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>>104870721
I had college auditions a few months back and all of them required me to memorize the music but I just said “fuck it” and didn’t memorize half my rep.
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>tfw Chopin Competition is live
sweet. i get to see the gifted players and i'll even try to guess who might be famous later
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>>104871482
I'd agree of course, but he hasn't "recorded" that much though (unless there is more I'm not aware of).
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>>104871482
>piano rolls
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>>104871531
https://youtu.be/W3NX_TrxfVk
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What's a "heavy" waltz like On the Hills of Manchuria?
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>>104871661
Worded unclearly. I mean what are some waltzes that are similar? Preferably playable on a piano.
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>>104871661
>waltz
not classical
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>>104871684
Waltz from Khachaturian's Masquerade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoLUMURunQ
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>>104871552
As I said, not the complete sets of préludes, none of the études...
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>>104871502
we're getting an overdose of opus 52 https://chopin2020.pl/en/news/article/62/which-compositions-of-chopin-do-the-participants-of-the-preliminary-choose-most-eagerly?-ballade-in-f-minor-op.-52-will-be-presented-in-45-interpretations!
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>>104871953
Was Chopin's opus 52 always this popular?
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>>104871998
I guess all of Chopin's ballades are popular but I'm sure that the most popular is the first one.
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>>104871381
op 40
op 25
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Happy international friend day!
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>>104872158
>international normalfag day
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>>104871502
>gifted players
lmao
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a funny transcription of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an exhibition for solo guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmljH41B1Q

on a related note, do you care at all to download the music you (want to/plan to/are interested to) listen to in high quality, or do you go with youtube and mp3s?
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>>104872179
We're friends here
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>>104872221
i use cheap hearphones so file quality doesn't change anything for me
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>>104872221
I listen to most music on Spotify on the highest quality settings but I download some specific music in high quality as well
I ain't listening to nothing below 320kbps mp3s at least
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>>104872158
I have no friends
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>>104872279
I'm your friend!
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>>104872317
even worse
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>>104872221
>funny
yes, roflmao
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can I consider all of you my frens ?
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>>104872364
no
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>>104870400
Besides the ones you mentioned I like Bavouzet on the Images and Preludes (not so much in the Etudes)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGKOxIQjWfg

Too bad the lady with the funny dress won't pass
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>>104872488
oh god, is that even Chopin she's playing. picture from the previous pianist, which I thought was bland.
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>>104871862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxzPNq_G4GM
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>>104872364
what are your thoughts on this man?
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>>104872364
No, we are all no one, we cannot be friends for we have no connection.
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>Chopinowski
Do poles really?
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>>104871998
>>104872033
Do they have to play different pieces for every round?
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>>104872364
Yes!
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>>104872221
I have an autistically organised library with 320/FLAC rips of all the recordings I like. I use Apple Music or YouTube to find stuff and if I enjoy a cursory listen I’ll download.
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Berg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VlSrdT265k
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>>104873068
Use IDAGIO. I like it because I get to pick one particular work and autisticly go through every recording till I find someone not incompetent
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any classical sax bros here?
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Schubert (in English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G488tKcBIL0
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Schubert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilMODqrRzZ8
What other pianists are as charming as Grünfeld?
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>>104872364
Of course!
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>>104873917
magic flute clicked for me when I tried a new recording. now every number is great except a couple
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>>104873566
Idagio and Primephonic are okay but I also have some non-classical I listen to and want to keep it all in the same place.
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>>104873856
https://youtu.be/YZAlk9L_Yew
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Why are Mendelssohn’s piano concerti looked down upon? They’re great modest pieces, especially the first.
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>>104874498
great modest?
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Berlioz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhh0wBazHzQ
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I don't know how I would live my life without Naxos
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>>104875121
ok, I'll bite. what's Naxos
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>>104875129
Naxos Records, a record label
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>>104874498
They are not looked down upon.
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>>104875129
Classical music record label specialized in less-known composers and interprets
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The Beowulf soundtrack is just like Bruckner!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1okFAvHrqo8
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>>104872364
No. Many people in this thread are not your fren.
I'll be your fren though.
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>>104870251
where do I start with Wagner?
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>>104875338
Wagner sucks cock.
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>>104875338
i dont know
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>>104875338
close the youtube tab and load up bach
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>>104875338
Tannhauser. But you're never going to be ready for Wagner if you don't first study the greats before him, as the other anon said, listen to Bach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OQCncAiC8
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>>104875462
Thank you very much, anon! I don't know much about music but I'm interested in Wagner from a literary perspective.
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>>104875477
Yeah, I'm sure you are.
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>>104875477
A lot of the writers associated with the decadent movement like Baudelaire, Huysmans, Wilde loved Tannhauser. I think there's a lot there from that perspective.
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>>104875477
Then you should definitely be familiar with Greek tragedy, Shakespeare, Lope de Vega, Goethe and Schiller since they're his main literary influences.

Tannhauser is simple yet interesting for how it unites Euripides and Goethe, while the Ring is very complex and an extremely detailed work, so start with Tannhauser.
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>>104875583
>>104875477
I recommend Solti's Tannhauser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KESPxg5zY
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>>104875477
I discovered Wagner with Tannhauser and I think it's a good starting point, as other anons said.

I recommend (especially if you're interested in the literary side of wagnerian art) to watch a stage version with a not-too-modernist setting and with subtitles/libretto on side (unless you speak german), so you can follow the story and see the link between the action, characters' emotions, etc and the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLNf7Bsp-w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwX_fXjmLw
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>>104875928
This. Seeing it is far, far better than just hearing it.
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>>104870251
Artists? Musical hacks are what you are! Nothing else! One of you bites at the brass mouthpiece of his wooden stick and the other blows out his cheeks on the horn! Do you call that art? It’s a trade, a knack that earns money, and nothing more! You call yourselves artists? Blowers and fiddlers are what you are, the whole lot of you! I am an artist! I am Schubert, Franz Schubert, whom everybody knows and recognises! Who has written great things and beautiful things, that you don’t begin to understand! And who is going to write still more beautiful things: the most beautiful things! Cantatas and quartets, operas and symphonies! Because I am not just a composer of dances, as the stupid newspapers say, and as the stupid people repeat! I am Schubert! Franz Schubert! And don’t you forget it! If the word ‘art’ is mentioned, it’s me they’re talking about, not you worms and insects, who demand solos for yourselves that I shall never write for you! You crawling, gnawing worms that ought to be crushed under my foot − the foot of the man who is reaching to the stars! To the stars, I say, while you poor, puffing wretches wriggle in the dust and rot!!

- Frans Schubert

Was he right?
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When did you realise that it's « andante » and not « adante »
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>>104876281
Since I was 0 years old because I know Italian
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>>104876281
do americans really?
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>>104876008
>Seeing it is far, far better than just hearing it.

Wagner in a nutshell.
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>>104876281
>When did you realise that it's « presto » and not « pertso »
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>>104876245
>I am Schubert! Franz Schubert!
If Schubert is really the quote's author, he was right here
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When did you realise that it's « Eroica » and not « Erotica »
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>>104876341
I'm french but retarded
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>>104876361
for me, it's pesto
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>>104876378
no, he was actually Franz Peter Schubert, therefore he is wrong
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>>104876245
maybe
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>>104876245
OH NO NO NO NO
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>>104876673
t. chubby chaser
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>>104876281
dante...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogenG486SP8
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>>104876245


https://books.google.com/books?id=9PQ2BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT400&lpg=PT400&dq=Artists?+Musical+hacks+are+what+you+are!+Nothing+else!&source=bl&ots=ZUIy2na9yn&sig=ACfU3U3AI7wASUfMl32rSwq7afye7AWQ9A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibs6b24PLxAhWhFVkFHe00A-QQ6AEwCXoECA8QAw#v=onepage&q=Artists%3F%20Musical%20hacks%20are%20what%20you%20are!%20Nothing%20else!&f=false
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https://youtu.be/H9FTkSqjYs8?t=30

Opinions on Pewdiepie's musicianship?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TlG6LMQR9M
>the horn rythms in the first movement
what did Bach mean by this ?
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>>104877182
try this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0bduAxqHN8
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Strauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gof4j2PM6nc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPTwYxFGh3A

why is she so cute bras?
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Who is the Italian Wagner?
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anyone here fond of correlis concerti grosso? I love Handel's which were inspired by them but not sure about the originator work
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>>104878725
Riccardo Wagnerini
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>>104878725
Joseph Green
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>>104878725
Italians wish they could compete with the BVLL of German music culture.
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Genius can, of course, dispense with taste: of this Beethoven is an example. Mozart on the other hand, his equal in genius, has, in addition, the most delicate taste

t. Debussy
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Schumann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWnitZi4JCc
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>>104879364
recommended Clemenza di Tito?
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Anyone got a download link to this? It's not on slsk and rutracker only has a 3.5 GB .iso file and I don't wanna have to get that then convert it to audio. It has a slow Kyrie as the intro which I prefer, most feel too fast to me.
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>>104879647
keilberth
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Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ_2NQqd48o
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I really love this Brahms 2.
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a musical joke finally clicked
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>>104881933
Orchestra? Label?
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>>104882402
Gewandhaus, Pentatone.
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alright fags
chopin concerto 1 or concerto 2 which is better
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>>104882419
I definitely prefer the first one for the better tunes.
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>>104882419
2 edges it for me, but they're both very good, especially the re-orchestrated versions.
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>>104882419
This is better than both https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CclQ1tGmGws
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Thoughts?
https://vocaroo.com/1bwiG2pwppO9
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>>104882865
https://vocaroo.com/13QXyeyyE52l
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>>104870335
That is ok, more people like Tchaikovsky than you anyway
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What's the best Mozart piano sonata cycle? No fortepiano please.
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>>104883226
I like Pires
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Frens, Im looking for a chart/a list of most important works of classical music - something similar to /lit/ charts. One anon sent me something like this already but I lost it, I only remember there were BWV 846-893
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Handel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwC94WneGjY
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>>104883316
Most important as in to listen to, best, most influential, etc? The sticky is a good place to start but you’ll find every list is wildly different and kind of a fool’s errand.
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>>104883537
Well who can judge what is the best music kek. He sent me a link to some website with a decently long list of classical pieces similar in form to /lit/ charts and thats what Im looking for
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I have come the realization that the organ is the best instrument for learning harmony and composition
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>>104883568
Well as I said the sticky is the best place to start. Be wary of the usual online lists that are full of stuff like The Nutcracker, The Planets, La Traviata, 1812 etc.
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>>104883316
Start with the late baroque composers (Handel's keyboard suites & organ concertos,
Bach's WTC, the keyboard partita, the Brandenburg concertos, maybe some of his cantatas and his passions if sacred music does not bother you.
Vivaldi's bassoon concerto)

Then move on to classical (haydn's symphonies, his string quartets (don't forget op. 50)
Mozart's piano concertos and sonatas
Beethoven's symphonies and sonatas,his string quartets. You don't want to miss the late ones.)
then go anywhere you want in the romantic period (don't skip Schumann please)

or go back to some classical or baroque composers (frescobaldi, froberger etc for keyboard, Vivaldi, Torelli, Corelli for violin, also Jean-Marie Leclair for the French violin school
Johann Christian Bach symphonies&concertos, cpe Bach's concertos & sonatas
Carlos Seixas' keyboard sonata, it's supposed to be late baroque but it's more pre-classical
Clementi's piano sonatas
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>>104884175
Thanks anon
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>>104884187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXgCA0eIVk
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>>104883316
Josquin's masses
Monteverdi's Orfeo
Bach's cantatas and works for clavier
Haydn's string quartets and symphonies
Mozart's piano concertos and opera's
Beethoven's piano sonatas and string quartets
Schubert's Lieder and late chamber music
Schumann's piano works
Wagner's operas
Bruckner's symphonies
Brahms' chamber music with piano and/or clarinet
Ravel's orchestral works
Debussy's piano works
Bartok's string quartets
Shostakovich' string quartets and symphonies
Stravinksy's ballets

That should keep you busy for a while.
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>>104884809
let me know if you like it, I want to try more of his operas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bUkFMIrf5s

Do you think a beginner could tackle this?
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>>104883568
>Well who can judge what is the best music kek.
Me of course
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Its true, baroque all sounds the same. but it's crazy how extremely different handel and bach sound while simultaneously sounding the same. there has to be a German word for this.
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>>104885085
>baroque all sounds the same
scarlatti sounds nothing like bach tho
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>>104885096
True. actually I think the baroque all sounds the same meme only applies to orchestral music, where the composers all sound different despite sounding the same. but in solo keyboard music whatever is making baroque all sound the same is completely gone, same if you compare handel to scarlatti and bach
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>>104885085
All composers have distinct styles and mannerisms that separate them, what keeps them similar is their musical structures (fugue, canon, etc.) and their system of composing (tonal counterpoint) for the most part.
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>Symphony no. 49
How did he do it bros?
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the first 10 minutes of Rinaldo is like the greatest music ever written
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Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4Lfq3O4PIg
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Shostakovich’s string quartets accompany my fapping sessions.

https://youtu.be/m-L2vG8nM1M
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>>104883269
This
>>104885467
Symphony 85,86,87,89 are also bangers around 88
You seriously just can’t miss for these symphonies, amazing music
>>104885766
Every one of them are great, kind of a meme but I fucking love sq8 so much
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Haydn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFZjghPg-Y
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Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3zuaVpDr4
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>>104876932
Why do you watch a redditor who has the same sense of humour as a preteen
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>>104882865
>>104882897
lmao who is this
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Why Europeans can't understand the greats of American music, such as Barber, Copland and Ives?
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>>104886694
*Why can't
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>>104885284
Just absolute basedness
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>>104886694
>why can't normal people enjoy the taste of shit??????
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>>104886185
based Dorati
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There's literally no point in learning classical music because 1) All good music is available online to be listened to 2) Bach has done it all so there is nothing of value you can contribute
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>>104887000
1) there are still no ideal performances of a lot of pieces, even popular ones (like K. 331's first movement: everyone either plays it too fast or ignores the dynamic markings)
2) wrong
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>>104887000
show me bach's opera
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>>104887030
Gould's k. 331 is the best one
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>>104887037
>bach et al.
ok happy now?
>>104887030
there is no ideal version of any piece. it is all subjective. but still, studying for thousands of hours to play a piece at 10% slower tempo is not worth it.
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>>104887082
>it is all subjective
gay subjectivist
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>>104887087
besides, mozart and all the other composers of his time were big on improvisation. they wouldn't expect any musician to adhere to markings on their sheets. in fact, they may have frowned upon anybody who did.
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>>104887139
wasn't the expectation to adhere primarly to the score but then improvise on all the repeats? the first movement is a theme and variations, a pretty improvisatory piece by nature, so maybe improvising over it is a bit of a redundancy
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>>104884809
>>104884872
I finished the disc. Rodelinda is a very solid Handel opera with some beautiful arias, I enjoyed it from the begining to the end. This interpretation is superb ; the orchestra is very good and the singers are all excellent (especially Davies and Crowe). I strongly recommend it.
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>>104887139
None of that improvisation means ignoring the dynamic markings
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Post the fastest music you know.

The Tristan liebesnacht finale has been correctly described as a car crash, I didn't think music could sound that fast.
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>>104887304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJR1VHuq5g
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violin part : red green red
viola part : red red green

what did Buxtehude mean by this ?
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>>104887577
What do you mean
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>>104887619
it does not sounds organized
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>>104887304
https://youtu.be/UHO7DDA30Ts
not the fastest but a good fast work for sure. Fastest being the flight of the bumblebee kek.
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>>104885014
The minuet section is probably more suitable for early intermediate if you have a teacher, but at a slower tempo.
The trio section would be pretty difficult for an early intermediate keyboardist though because of the two voices in the right hand.
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>>104887672
There's two red sections before each green one, one by each instrument. Seems organized to me.
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>>104887000
3) Classical music is dead.
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>>104888656
why is there no relevant asian conductor ?
also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listen
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Does mozart have more themes per movement than the average composer? Certainly seems like it
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>>104888707
>why is there no relevant asian conductor ?
Seiji Ozawa, Zubin Metha, Myung-Whun Chung to name some from the old guard.
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>>104888707
>why is there no relevant asian conductor ?
Seiji Ozawa, Masaaki Suzuki, Chung Myung-whun...
>also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listen
They're not the best Haydn's music but they're good, particularly the no 11
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>>104888745
definitely
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Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7MFh0dj9A0
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>>104887082
You don't learn an instrument to create the "ideal interpretation" but simply because it's an immense joy to make music.
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>>104889480
It's an immense joy to make your ideal version of any music
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>>104889504
This. It's simply fun
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>>104888707
>also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listen

The cello concertos are better.
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Now this is a thread
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So, how about that Wagner, huh?
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>>104889480
But you're not making any music.. you're just copying what a dead white dude wrote down centuries ago
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Was Saint-Saens right, anons?

>'For me art is form. Expression and passion seduce the amateur... for the artist it is different. An artist who is not fully satisfied by elegant lines, harmonious colours and beautiful harmonic progressions has no understanding of art'.
>'Art is intended to create beauty and character. Feeling only comes afterwards, and art can very well do without it. In fact it is very much better off when it does.'
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recommend me slow organ pieces
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>>104890113
yes
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>>104890165
John Cage's Organ2/ASLSP
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>>104890113
Yes
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>>104890113
I think it's an exaggerated dichotomy. A good piece of art should play on the interaction between its own formal beauty and the emotions it conveys.
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>>104890248
recommend me anything not from john cage
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>>104890480
moving the goalposts huh?
Messiaen's Nativité du Seigneur then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zz8_-E9E5I
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>>104890480
bwv 622 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oha0oITfYk
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How do I learn to read sheet music? I want to get good enough to read the score of a symphony.
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I asked this before but I don't remember if anyone responded. I want to learn music theory but not to play an instrument. I only want to read music history books and understand the progression of classical music and how each composer changed music. Every music theory website I've used involves learning to read music and doing things with piano and I just want to understand the terms.
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>>104890113
Yes.

>You do not even notice how I keep all my melodies in a certain style, so that it all looks the same but is in fact different. Just to string one melody to another, splish-splash - there’s no art in that.
t. Wagner
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>>104890815
learn g clef, then f clef, then c clef
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What's the best K.332 recording?
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>>104891040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTYEqkOe0X8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjWh1jykt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fWs9QaVgwE
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>>104891040
Lili Kraus is always my favorite for Mozart sonatas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwx6gOjtaeo
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>>104890113
But beauty automatically generates emotion.
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>>104891075
>>104891113
Thanks
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>>104890815
Learn the basics, then play pieces by sheet music until you git gud
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Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6nSRTdffJk
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>>104891251
I don't play any instruments though. Can I just learn through repeated reading and listening? Will the basics be enough to cover something like Wagner's Das Rheingold?
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>>104891352
you will learn way slower if you don't play an instrument or sing
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>>104891352
Just play piano, it's the best for learning how to read sheet music
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>>104891557
I'm too poor for lessons and don't have room for piano
>>104891375
I'd like to sing but I'm an oldschooltard that can't be bothered to try to labour through dozens of 19th century french/italian texts when there's little chance of success
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Why is this the only Mozart piece I like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoNvdl5hoSk
I heard all his concertos from 18 - 27 and not a single movement stuck with me. He presents a bunch of themes one after another but my ears don't like any of them. They all sound ugly
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>>104891776
hmmmm interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIz2zx1Vik
OK, what about this?
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>>104891841
MOMMYYYYYY
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I can't stop laughing
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>>104890067
You don't need to create new music to make music. You don't play an instrument do you?
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>>104891841
Reminds me of the Venus in Castellucci's Tannhauser setting
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>>104890898
How do you suppose to learn music theory without being able to read it?
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>>104891909
>>104891935
These are great
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>>104890898
Just read a music history book bro
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>>104890898
well start witht he stuff that doesnt' require being a musician to understand. learn the various forms, so you can categorize pieces which you've memorized well enough to 'see' them zoomed out in your head and also so you can follow/notice forms as you listen and also notice unconventional stuff or variations on the form in real time
Learn about rondos, ritornello, sonata form, minuets and trios, etc.
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>>104891945
:(
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>>104891820
Based.

>>104891841
>>104891909
>>104891935
>>104891945
Cringe.
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>>104892055
retarded coomer
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>>104892064
more like beauty appreciator and respecter
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Leitmotifs make everything better, as can be seen in the following moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqQokqg1vg
https://youtu.be/3OqQokqg1vg?t=140
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>>104892055
ok, what do you think of this part of castellucci's tannhauser?
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How do I into the Matthew Passion? It's so fucking long.
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>>104892101
based
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>>104891945
>>104892106
Honestly portraying the Venusberg as a fat devouring mother seems pretty trad to me especially with that as contrast, don't know what he's complaining about
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>>104891909
Wagner is for black BVLLS confirmed
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>>104892120
skip the recitatives, or listen while reading the libretto
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>>104892106
8 >>>>>>> everyone else
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>>104892144
yeah, it's not the worst thing in this setting
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>>104892101
This is my trad ideal beauty
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>>104892156
A man of refined taste I see
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>>104892189
MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>104892189
doesn't count as trad if it's not patriarchal
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>>104891968
Do you need to be able to read it or can you just understand the concepts?
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>>104892210
Do you know what traditional means?-
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>>104892259
...do you think the venus of willendorf is venus
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>>104892144
Turning Venus into complete sexual degeneracy rather than just sexual indulgence was a mistake, and I don't enjoy seeing revolting ugliness in opera. But yeah I agree it's not that bad.

>>104892106
A misconstruing of the drama as between healthy sexuality and unhealthy sexuality, but an enjoyable and philosophically appreciable interpretation.
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>>104892335
No
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>ending a sonata with a Largo
why
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>>104891828
I guess I like it fine, but I wouldn't wanna listen to it on repeat like the other movement I posted (or other pieces I like). I know it's not an attention span problem because I can listen to an entire Wagner opera in a sitting just fine. I know it's not a problem with the classical era because I like Haydn. It's just Mozart that sounds dead/null to me. His themes just sound so mechanical, like what an AI would think "happy" music is supposed to be like, but I'd really like to see what all my favorite composers saw in him.
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>>104891040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-LQ_8QrCYk
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>>104893080
hmm, well Haydn loved his quartets, quintets, operas, and requiem. idk what Wagner liked about him except calling him 'the greatest genius in all centuries' or something, but I think Wagner was prone to hyperbolizing his own viewpoints just to make a point, kinda like Bernstein saying Beethoven wasn't a great melodist or harmonist just to make the point that his knack for form was special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNKJGTHR0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcoSrnUqzk

if you still want recs you could try these
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>>104893080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kTsXes9OVE
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>>104893160
I've heard those pieces as well but they kinda just enter one ear and leave through the other without registering anything in my brain. I don't know what I should by "liking" here.
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Theses piano concertos are really good
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>>104893211
Not feeling this one at all, sorry.
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>>104893080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g_Qxh51aaw
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>>104893333
This one's fine but like, it feels like it's not pleasing my brain as often as other composers would? I don't know it feels like his phrases/melodies go on for ages. really have no idea what to point at here but this just feels really boring. I can't focus on it, it just doesn't grab my attention at all. I keep dozing off and then realizing I was listening to music two minutes later, even with the volume on max.
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>>104893365
maybe you don't like mozart?
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>>104893403
Okay but why? I wanna know like, what characteristics there are in his music that all my favorite composers praised, but which seem to pass me by. I don't want to just say "welp guess I don't like it" and be done with it, I feel like an idiot.
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>>104893279
Very underrated composer for hours piano works yes
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>>104893279
Having got into C.P.E. recently I'm definitely interested in this, thanks for the rec
>>104893213
>>104893419
I think it ultimately comes down to the phrases/melodies. Nobody else's sounds quite like Mozart's. I don't know how to say anything meaningful about it but people always use words like 'pure' when describing him.
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>>104893534
His *
On Phone rn sorry
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>>104893540
I guess whatever feels to most people like "purity" just feels like nothing to me, or feels boring instead.
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>>104893568
out of curiosity, do you like Handel? I think Handel is similarly carried by his melodic genius and they have a similar melodic idiom sometimes. Schubert also (early Schubert sounds pretty Mozartian too) but Schubert has much more of that earthly passion in his melodies I think. For example, have you heard his 5th symphony? It's direclty based on Mozart's 40th, basically a major key version of it. I wonder if it's similarly boring to you. Or Beethoven's 5th string quartet. It's directly inspired by Mozart string quartet 18, the variations movements in particular being very similar. But the Beethoven still sounds very Beethoven.
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>all my friends make fun of me for remembering pieces by their catalog number instead of their names and titles
>bwv 552
>k 365
>rv 532
>hob i 96
An I autistic or am I chad??
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>>104893632
I feel for some composers it's necessary. With the composers you list particularly I think it's pretty normal.
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>>104893630
I absolutely love Handel, yes. I will check those out.
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Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQrkFQ46Vk
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>>104893540
>ranking Wagner with Beethoven and Bach
Wow didn't know Grieg was a chud.
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>>104894154
Bach Mozart Beethoven and Wagner are usually seen as the "big 4" though.
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>>104893632
I do that too. For some romantic composers I just remember the key and the name of the piece tho
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Bach’s viola da gamba works are just pure under appreciated gold
https://youtu.be/jnUvYr4anFI
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Suzuki or Gardiner for Bach cantatas?
Also the Met's schedule this fall has one (1) Wagner :/
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>>104894626
Rotzsch
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>>104894626
Bach cantatas are the one area of vocal music where Gardiner's recordings don't sit right with me. well, that and the magic flute, which is a joke compared to the rest of his Mozart
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>>104894626
Karl>Gardiner>Phillippe>Suzuki

That being said all of them are good, only thing that differs is tempo usually.
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>>104871661
all russian waltz are good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI_ri5VsHag
all russian romantic is better than everything
except bach, he is tied
>>104871685
classical commonly refers to baroque-classical-romantic
they had to call the three of them together classical to make up for classical era being by far the worst of the three
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>>104895088
Besides karls romantic style lol. Id never listen to one conductor conduct 224 different pieces by a composer such as bach though.
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w225onOB-J8
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>>104895088
a fellow richter chad, his arrangements are just much better sounding than anyone elses, he understands the music and how to make it sound epic and cinematic. also the sound of his choir is unmatched, listen to his BWV39 for proof.
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>>104895088
>>104894626
What about Leonhardt, Koopman, and Leusink?
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>>104895421
I personally don’t really like their tempi and articulation choice however I really like Leonhardt’s playing of the goldberg
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Could the St. Matthew Passion be staged as an opera?
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>>104896306
I think Richter has the best take on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUO7FI7bHO0

Elaborate staging, clear distinction of all the parts, but no camp costumes or anything too visual, he lets the music tell the story.
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>>104896306
Yes though it doesn’t need to be. When the passion is in good hands the drama is unfolded beautifully without necessity of visual queues.
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Any cute guys here ?I want and need a boyfriend
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>>104896592
asl?
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>>104896598
21 f italy you?
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>>104896606
23 m UK, add me on discord Herr_F#9580
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Holy fucking kek
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>>104896306
The berlin phil staging thing was fucking ass and I hate people who contemporarizes music, especially sacred music
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>>104894626
I read Gardiners books and I have listened to suzuki’s perfomance live more than once.
I can safely say that suzuki respects the original beauty of the text and treats every sound as important while gardiner just rushes through a lot of phrases to give it unnecessary movement, which should come naturally through emotion and not physically changing tempo and phrasing
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vivaldi
https://youtu.be/GqMzfJWfa9k
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>>104893632
It's understandable when the titles are something like
>Sonata in Key
>Prelude in Key
>Suite in Key
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Organ is the first DAW
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Post Mendelssohn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MnkFazq0FI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zG1Dx3QYIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Bf9tvIwyU
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I recently discovered Graupner, he's quite good. Very nice baroque cantatas here
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>>104893632
If you're just listening to them I don't see why you should remember the key, other than if it was in major or minor.
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>>104893632
>oh you like Bach? Name all his cantatas then
>BWV1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...
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>>104893568
Mozart, to me, is simple elegance, perfection with regards to symmetry and balance, and almost always has the spirit of opera shining though.
Maybe you just don't like these characteristics? I must say, though, it took me a long time to appreciate it, and now I'd say that disliking Mozart was one of the greatest follies of my youth.
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>>104895370
>understands the music
>and how to make it sound epic and cinematic
choose one
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>>104895096
stupid
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>>104886643
https://vocaroo.com/1o5MHXxOmTZN
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>>104898778
It's actually worthwile remembering the keys as you suddenly notice the often rather strong associations certain composers have with the different keys and how they were carried over to the next generations by subsequent composers.
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>>104899530
And remembering them by opus or catalogue number gives you other information like what order they were composed in or what category they belong to.
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