Tchaik editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNPzRySvOIUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfCY-pN4JcThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>104840948
Romantic era was a mistake
I don't like Tchaikovsky at all.
>>104868325Mozart 19Bartok 2Brahms 2Prokofiev 3Ravel left hand
What are your favourite pianists for middle to late Debussy, i.e. the Images, Préludes and Etudes?I've listened to Pollini, Ciccolini and Michelangeli so far.
>>104870390Whoops.. meant to quote>>104868230
can't stop bumping thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkoBD0XGTdo
>Difficulty of the piece comes from memorizationI unironically prefer grinding through technically demanding but mentally easier pieces
>>104870721>Piece is not that difficult to memorize initially but you forget it after not playing it for a weekTakes the fun out of Bach for me
>>104870738you don't need to memorize it, just learn how to sightread>inb4 I can't sight read a 5 voices fugueget better chopinfag
Currently learning my second Chopin Nocturne (Op. 9 No. 2) after 1 year and 9 months of piano. Starting to realize that Chopin might be my favorite composer
what are the best clementi sonatas
>>104870251Which one of the Bach sons do you like the most? For me its C.P.E and his Berlin symphonies
>>104870721I had college auditions a few months back and all of them required me to memorize the music but I just said “fuck it” and didn’t memorize half my rep.
>tfw Chopin Competition is livesweet. i get to see the gifted players and i'll even try to guess who might be famous later
>>104871482I'd agree of course, but he hasn't "recorded" that much though (unless there is more I'm not aware of).
What's a "heavy" waltz like On the Hills of Manchuria?
>>104871661Worded unclearly. I mean what are some waltzes that are similar? Preferably playable on a piano.
>>104871684Waltz from Khachaturian's Masqueradehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoLUMURunQ
>>104871552As I said, not the complete sets of préludes, none of the études...
>>104871502we're getting an overdose of opus 52 https://chopin2020.pl/en/news/article/62/which-compositions-of-chopin-do-the-participants-of-the-preliminary-choose-most-eagerly?-ballade-in-f-minor-op.-52-will-be-presented-in-45-interpretations!
>>104871953Was Chopin's opus 52 always this popular?
>>104871998I guess all of Chopin's ballades are popular but I'm sure that the most popular is the first one.
>>104871381op 40op 25
Happy international friend day!
>>104872158>international normalfag day
a funny transcription of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an exhibition for solo guitarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwmljH41B1Qon a related note, do you care at all to download the music you (want to/plan to/are interested to) listen to in high quality, or do you go with youtube and mp3s?
>>104872179We're friends here
>>104872221i use cheap hearphones so file quality doesn't change anything for me
>>104872221I listen to most music on Spotify on the highest quality settings but I download some specific music in high quality as wellI ain't listening to nothing below 320kbps mp3s at least
>>104872158I have no friends
>>104872279I'm your friend!
can I consider all of you my frens ?
>>104870400Besides the ones you mentioned I like Bavouzet on the Images and Preludes (not so much in the Etudes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGKOxIQjWfgToo bad the lady with the funny dress won't pass
>>104872488oh god, is that even Chopin she's playing. picture from the previous pianist, which I thought was bland.
>>104872364what are your thoughts on this man?
>>104872364No, we are all no one, we cannot be friends for we have no connection.
>ChopinowskiDo poles really?
>>104871998>>104872033Do they have to play different pieces for every round?
>>104872221I have an autistically organised library with 320/FLAC rips of all the recordings I like. I use Apple Music or YouTube to find stuff and if I enjoy a cursory listen I’ll download.
>>104873068Use IDAGIO. I like it because I get to pick one particular work and autisticly go through every recording till I find someone not incompetent
any classical sax bros here?
Schubert (in English)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G488tKcBIL0
Schuberthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilMODqrRzZ8What other pianists are as charming as Grünfeld?
>>104873917magic flute clicked for me when I tried a new recording. now every number is great except a couple
>>104873566Idagio and Primephonic are okay but I also have some non-classical I listen to and want to keep it all in the same place.
Why are Mendelssohn’s piano concerti looked down upon? They’re great modest pieces, especially the first.
I don't know how I would live my life without Naxos
>>104875121ok, I'll bite. what's Naxos
>>104875129Naxos Records, a record label
>>104874498They are not looked down upon.
>>104875129Classical music record label specialized in less-known composers and interprets
The Beowulf soundtrack is just like Bruckner!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1okFAvHrqo8
>>104872364No. Many people in this thread are not your fren. I'll be your fren though.
>>104870251where do I start with Wagner?
>>104875338Wagner sucks cock.
>>104875338i dont know
>>104875338close the youtube tab and load up bach
>>104875338Tannhauser. But you're never going to be ready for Wagner if you don't first study the greats before him, as the other anon said, listen to Bach.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6OQCncAiC8
>>104875462Thank you very much, anon! I don't know much about music but I'm interested in Wagner from a literary perspective.
>>104875477Yeah, I'm sure you are.
>>104875477A lot of the writers associated with the decadent movement like Baudelaire, Huysmans, Wilde loved Tannhauser. I think there's a lot there from that perspective.
>>104875477Then you should definitely be familiar with Greek tragedy, Shakespeare, Lope de Vega, Goethe and Schiller since they're his main literary influences.Tannhauser is simple yet interesting for how it unites Euripides and Goethe, while the Ring is very complex and an extremely detailed work, so start with Tannhauser.
>>104875583>>104875477I recommend Solti's Tannhauserhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8KESPxg5zY
>>104875477I discovered Wagner with Tannhauser and I think it's a good starting point, as other anons said.I recommend (especially if you're interested in the literary side of wagnerian art) to watch a stage version with a not-too-modernist setting and with subtitles/libretto on side (unless you speak german), so you can follow the story and see the link between the action, characters' emotions, etc and the music.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLNf7Bsp-w8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwX_fXjmLw
>>104875928This. Seeing it is far, far better than just hearing it.
>>104870251Artists? Musical hacks are what you are! Nothing else! One of you bites at the brass mouthpiece of his wooden stick and the other blows out his cheeks on the horn! Do you call that art? It’s a trade, a knack that earns money, and nothing more! You call yourselves artists? Blowers and fiddlers are what you are, the whole lot of you! I am an artist! I am Schubert, Franz Schubert, whom everybody knows and recognises! Who has written great things and beautiful things, that you don’t begin to understand! And who is going to write still more beautiful things: the most beautiful things! Cantatas and quartets, operas and symphonies! Because I am not just a composer of dances, as the stupid newspapers say, and as the stupid people repeat! I am Schubert! Franz Schubert! And don’t you forget it! If the word ‘art’ is mentioned, it’s me they’re talking about, not you worms and insects, who demand solos for yourselves that I shall never write for you! You crawling, gnawing worms that ought to be crushed under my foot − the foot of the man who is reaching to the stars! To the stars, I say, while you poor, puffing wretches wriggle in the dust and rot!!- Frans SchubertWas he right?
When did you realise that it's « andante » and not « adante »
>>104876281Since I was 0 years old because I know Italian
>>104876281do americans really?
>>104876008>Seeing it is far, far better than just hearing it.Wagner in a nutshell.
>>104876281>When did you realise that it's « presto » and not « pertso »
>>104876245>I am Schubert! Franz Schubert!If Schubert is really the quote's author, he was right here
When did you realise that it's « Eroica » and not « Erotica »
>>104876341I'm french but retarded
>>104876361for me, it's pesto
>>104876378no, he was actually Franz Peter Schubert, therefore he is wrong
>>104876245OH NO NO NO NO
>>104876673t. chubby chaser
https://youtu.be/H9FTkSqjYs8?t=30Opinions on Pewdiepie's musicianship?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TlG6LMQR9M>the horn rythms in the first movementwhat did Bach mean by this ?
>>104877182try this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0bduAxqHN8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPTwYxFGh3Awhy is she so cute bras?
Who is the Italian Wagner?
anyone here fond of correlis concerti grosso? I love Handel's which were inspired by them but not sure about the originator work
>>104878725Italians wish they could compete with the BVLL of German music culture.
Genius can, of course, dispense with taste: of this Beethoven is an example. Mozart on the other hand, his equal in genius, has, in addition, the most delicate tastet. Debussy
>>104879364recommended Clemenza di Tito?
Anyone got a download link to this? It's not on slsk and rutracker only has a 3.5 GB .iso file and I don't wanna have to get that then convert it to audio. It has a slow Kyrie as the intro which I prefer, most feel too fast to me.
I really love this Brahms 2.
a musical joke finally clicked
alright fagschopin concerto 1 or concerto 2 which is better
>>104882419I definitely prefer the first one for the better tunes.
>>1048824192 edges it for me, but they're both very good, especially the re-orchestrated versions.
>>104882419This is better than both https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CclQ1tGmGws
>>104870335That is ok, more people like Tchaikovsky than you anyway
What's the best Mozart piano sonata cycle? No fortepiano please.
>>104883226I like Pires
Frens, Im looking for a chart/a list of most important works of classical music - something similar to /lit/ charts. One anon sent me something like this already but I lost it, I only remember there were BWV 846-893
>>104883316Most important as in to listen to, best, most influential, etc? The sticky is a good place to start but you’ll find every list is wildly different and kind of a fool’s errand.
>>104883537Well who can judge what is the best music kek. He sent me a link to some website with a decently long list of classical pieces similar in form to /lit/ charts and thats what Im looking for
I have come the realization that the organ is the best instrument for learning harmony and composition
>>104883568Well as I said the sticky is the best place to start. Be wary of the usual online lists that are full of stuff like The Nutcracker, The Planets, La Traviata, 1812 etc.
>>104883316Start with the late baroque composers (Handel's keyboard suites & organ concertos, Bach's WTC, the keyboard partita, the Brandenburg concertos, maybe some of his cantatas and his passions if sacred music does not bother you. Vivaldi's bassoon concerto)Then move on to classical (haydn's symphonies, his string quartets (don't forget op. 50)Mozart's piano concertos and sonatasBeethoven's symphonies and sonatas,his string quartets. You don't want to miss the late ones.)then go anywhere you want in the romantic period (don't skip Schumann please) or go back to some classical or baroque composers (frescobaldi, froberger etc for keyboard, Vivaldi, Torelli, Corelli for violin, also Jean-Marie Leclair for the French violin schoolJohann Christian Bach symphonies&concertos, cpe Bach's concertos & sonatasCarlos Seixas' keyboard sonata, it's supposed to be late baroque but it's more pre-classicalClementi's piano sonatas
>>104883316Josquin's massesMonteverdi's OrfeoBach's cantatas and works for clavierHaydn's string quartets and symphoniesMozart's piano concertos and opera'sBeethoven's piano sonatas and string quartetsSchubert's Lieder and late chamber musicSchumann's piano worksWagner's operasBruckner's symphoniesBrahms' chamber music with piano and/or clarinetRavel's orchestral worksDebussy's piano worksBartok's string quartetsShostakovich' string quartets and symphoniesStravinksy's balletsThat should keep you busy for a while.
>>104884809let me know if you like it, I want to try more of his operas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bUkFMIrf5sDo you think a beginner could tackle this?
>>104883568>Well who can judge what is the best music kek.Me of course
Its true, baroque all sounds the same. but it's crazy how extremely different handel and bach sound while simultaneously sounding the same. there has to be a German word for this.
>>104885085>baroque all sounds the samescarlatti sounds nothing like bach tho
>>104885096True. actually I think the baroque all sounds the same meme only applies to orchestral music, where the composers all sound different despite sounding the same. but in solo keyboard music whatever is making baroque all sound the same is completely gone, same if you compare handel to scarlatti and bach
>>104885085All composers have distinct styles and mannerisms that separate them, what keeps them similar is their musical structures (fugue, canon, etc.) and their system of composing (tonal counterpoint) for the most part.
>Symphony no. 49How did he do it bros?
the first 10 minutes of Rinaldo is like the greatest music ever written
Shostakovich’s string quartets accompany my fapping sessions.https://youtu.be/m-L2vG8nM1M
>>104883269This>>104885467Symphony 85,86,87,89 are also bangers around 88You seriously just can’t miss for these symphonies, amazing music>>104885766Every one of them are great, kind of a meme but I fucking love sq8 so much
>>104876932Why do you watch a redditor who has the same sense of humour as a preteen
>>104882865>>104882897lmao who is this
Why Europeans can't understand the greats of American music, such as Barber, Copland and Ives?
>>104885284Just absolute basedness
>>104886694>why can't normal people enjoy the taste of shit??????
There's literally no point in learning classical music because 1) All good music is available online to be listened to 2) Bach has done it all so there is nothing of value you can contribute
>>1048870001) there are still no ideal performances of a lot of pieces, even popular ones (like K. 331's first movement: everyone either plays it too fast or ignores the dynamic markings)2) wrong
>>104887000show me bach's opera
>>104887030Gould's k. 331 is the best one
>>104887037>bach et al.ok happy now?>>104887030there is no ideal version of any piece. it is all subjective. but still, studying for thousands of hours to play a piece at 10% slower tempo is not worth it.
>>104887082>it is all subjectivegay subjectivist
>>104887087besides, mozart and all the other composers of his time were big on improvisation. they wouldn't expect any musician to adhere to markings on their sheets. in fact, they may have frowned upon anybody who did.
>>104887139wasn't the expectation to adhere primarly to the score but then improvise on all the repeats? the first movement is a theme and variations, a pretty improvisatory piece by nature, so maybe improvising over it is a bit of a redundancy
>>104884809>>104884872I finished the disc. Rodelinda is a very solid Handel opera with some beautiful arias, I enjoyed it from the begining to the end. This interpretation is superb ; the orchestra is very good and the singers are all excellent (especially Davies and Crowe). I strongly recommend it.
>>104887139None of that improvisation means ignoring the dynamic markings
Post the fastest music you know.The Tristan liebesnacht finale has been correctly described as a car crash, I didn't think music could sound that fast.
violin part : red green redviola part : red red greenwhat did Buxtehude mean by this ?
>>104887577What do you mean
>>104887619it does not sounds organized
>>104887304https://youtu.be/UHO7DDA30Ts not the fastest but a good fast work for sure. Fastest being the flight of the bumblebee kek.
>>104885014The minuet section is probably more suitable for early intermediate if you have a teacher, but at a slower tempo.The trio section would be pretty difficult for an early intermediate keyboardist though because of the two voices in the right hand.
>>104887672There's two red sections before each green one, one by each instrument. Seems organized to me.
>>1048870003) Classical music is dead.
>>104888656why is there no relevant asian conductor ?also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listen
Does mozart have more themes per movement than the average composer? Certainly seems like it
>>104888707>why is there no relevant asian conductor ?Seiji Ozawa, Zubin Metha, Myung-Whun Chung to name some from the old guard.
>>104888707>why is there no relevant asian conductor ?Seiji Ozawa, Masaaki Suzuki, Chung Myung-whun...>also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listenThey're not the best Haydn's music but they're good, particularly the no 11
>>104887082You don't learn an instrument to create the "ideal interpretation" but simply because it's an immense joy to make music.
>>104889480It's an immense joy to make your ideal version of any music
>>104889504This. It's simply fun
>>104888707>also are Haydn's keyboard concerto worth a listenThe cello concertos are better.
Now this is a thread
So, how about that Wagner, huh?
>>104889480But you're not making any music.. you're just copying what a dead white dude wrote down centuries ago
Was Saint-Saens right, anons?>'For me art is form. Expression and passion seduce the amateur... for the artist it is different. An artist who is not fully satisfied by elegant lines, harmonious colours and beautiful harmonic progressions has no understanding of art'.>'Art is intended to create beauty and character. Feeling only comes afterwards, and art can very well do without it. In fact it is very much better off when it does.'
recommend me slow organ pieces
>>104890165John Cage's Organ2/ASLSP
>>104890113I think it's an exaggerated dichotomy. A good piece of art should play on the interaction between its own formal beauty and the emotions it conveys.
>>104890248recommend me anything not from john cage
>>104890480moving the goalposts huh?Messiaen's Nativité du Seigneur then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zz8_-E9E5I
>>104890480bwv 622 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oha0oITfYk
How do I learn to read sheet music? I want to get good enough to read the score of a symphony.
I asked this before but I don't remember if anyone responded. I want to learn music theory but not to play an instrument. I only want to read music history books and understand the progression of classical music and how each composer changed music. Every music theory website I've used involves learning to read music and doing things with piano and I just want to understand the terms.
>>104890113Yes.>You do not even notice how I keep all my melodies in a certain style, so that it all looks the same but is in fact different. Just to string one melody to another, splish-splash - there’s no art in that.t. Wagner
>>104890815learn g clef, then f clef, then c clef
What's the best K.332 recording?
>>104891040Lili Kraus is always my favorite for Mozart sonatashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwx6gOjtaeo
>>104890113But beauty automatically generates emotion.
>>104890815Learn the basics, then play pieces by sheet music until you git gud
>>104891251I don't play any instruments though. Can I just learn through repeated reading and listening? Will the basics be enough to cover something like Wagner's Das Rheingold?
>>104891352you will learn way slower if you don't play an instrument or sing
>>104891352Just play piano, it's the best for learning how to read sheet music
>>104891557I'm too poor for lessons and don't have room for piano>>104891375I'd like to sing but I'm an oldschooltard that can't be bothered to try to labour through dozens of 19th century french/italian texts when there's little chance of success
Why is this the only Mozart piece I like?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoNvdl5hoSkI heard all his concertos from 18 - 27 and not a single movement stuck with me. He presents a bunch of themes one after another but my ears don't like any of them. They all sound ugly
>>104891776hmmmm interestinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgIz2zx1VikOK, what about this?
I can't stop laughing
>>104890067You don't need to create new music to make music. You don't play an instrument do you?
>>104891841Reminds me of the Venus in Castellucci's Tannhauser setting
>>104890898How do you suppose to learn music theory without being able to read it?
>>104891909>>104891935These are great
>>104890898Just read a music history book bro
>>104890898well start witht he stuff that doesnt' require being a musician to understand. learn the various forms, so you can categorize pieces which you've memorized well enough to 'see' them zoomed out in your head and also so you can follow/notice forms as you listen and also notice unconventional stuff or variations on the form in real timeLearn about rondos, ritornello, sonata form, minuets and trios, etc.
>>104892064more like beauty appreciator and respecter
Leitmotifs make everything better, as can be seen in the following moments:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OqQokqg1vghttps://youtu.be/3OqQokqg1vg?t=140
>>104892055ok, what do you think of this part of castellucci's tannhauser?
How do I into the Matthew Passion? It's so fucking long.
>>104891945>>104892106Honestly portraying the Venusberg as a fat devouring mother seems pretty trad to me especially with that as contrast, don't know what he's complaining about
>>104891909Wagner is for black BVLLS confirmed
>>104892120skip the recitatives, or listen while reading the libretto
>>1048921068 >>>>>>> everyone else
>>104892144yeah, it's not the worst thing in this setting
>>104892101This is my trad ideal beauty
>>104892156A man of refined taste I see
>>104892189doesn't count as trad if it's not patriarchal
>>104891968Do you need to be able to read it or can you just understand the concepts?
>>104892210Do you know what traditional means?-
>>104892259...do you think the venus of willendorf is venus
>>104892144Turning Venus into complete sexual degeneracy rather than just sexual indulgence was a mistake, and I don't enjoy seeing revolting ugliness in opera. But yeah I agree it's not that bad.>>104892106A misconstruing of the drama as between healthy sexuality and unhealthy sexuality, but an enjoyable and philosophically appreciable interpretation.
>ending a sonata with a Largowhy
>>104891828I guess I like it fine, but I wouldn't wanna listen to it on repeat like the other movement I posted (or other pieces I like). I know it's not an attention span problem because I can listen to an entire Wagner opera in a sitting just fine. I know it's not a problem with the classical era because I like Haydn. It's just Mozart that sounds dead/null to me. His themes just sound so mechanical, like what an AI would think "happy" music is supposed to be like, but I'd really like to see what all my favorite composers saw in him.
>>104893080hmm, well Haydn loved his quartets, quintets, operas, and requiem. idk what Wagner liked about him except calling him 'the greatest genius in all centuries' or something, but I think Wagner was prone to hyperbolizing his own viewpoints just to make a point, kinda like Bernstein saying Beethoven wasn't a great melodist or harmonist just to make the point that his knack for form was specialhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNKJGTHR0ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcoSrnUqzkif you still want recs you could try these
>>104893160I've heard those pieces as well but they kinda just enter one ear and leave through the other without registering anything in my brain. I don't know what I should by "liking" here.
Theses piano concertos are really good
>>104893211Not feeling this one at all, sorry.
>>104893333This one's fine but like, it feels like it's not pleasing my brain as often as other composers would? I don't know it feels like his phrases/melodies go on for ages. really have no idea what to point at here but this just feels really boring. I can't focus on it, it just doesn't grab my attention at all. I keep dozing off and then realizing I was listening to music two minutes later, even with the volume on max.
>>104893365maybe you don't like mozart?
>>104893403Okay but why? I wanna know like, what characteristics there are in his music that all my favorite composers praised, but which seem to pass me by. I don't want to just say "welp guess I don't like it" and be done with it, I feel like an idiot.
>>104893279Very underrated composer for hours piano works yes
>>104893279Having got into C.P.E. recently I'm definitely interested in this, thanks for the rec>>104893213>>104893419I think it ultimately comes down to the phrases/melodies. Nobody else's sounds quite like Mozart's. I don't know how to say anything meaningful about it but people always use words like 'pure' when describing him.
>>104893534His *On Phone rn sorry
>>104893540I guess whatever feels to most people like "purity" just feels like nothing to me, or feels boring instead.
>>104893568out of curiosity, do you like Handel? I think Handel is similarly carried by his melodic genius and they have a similar melodic idiom sometimes. Schubert also (early Schubert sounds pretty Mozartian too) but Schubert has much more of that earthly passion in his melodies I think. For example, have you heard his 5th symphony? It's direclty based on Mozart's 40th, basically a major key version of it. I wonder if it's similarly boring to you. Or Beethoven's 5th string quartet. It's directly inspired by Mozart string quartet 18, the variations movements in particular being very similar. But the Beethoven still sounds very Beethoven.
>all my friends make fun of me for remembering pieces by their catalog number instead of their names and titles>bwv 552>k 365>rv 532>hob i 96An I autistic or am I chad??
>>104893632I feel for some composers it's necessary. With the composers you list particularly I think it's pretty normal.
>>104893630I absolutely love Handel, yes. I will check those out.
>>104893540>ranking Wagner with Beethoven and BachWow didn't know Grieg was a chud.
>>104894154Bach Mozart Beethoven and Wagner are usually seen as the "big 4" though.
>>104893632I do that too. For some romantic composers I just remember the key and the name of the piece tho
Bach’s viola da gamba works are just pure under appreciated goldhttps://youtu.be/jnUvYr4anFI
Suzuki or Gardiner for Bach cantatas?Also the Met's schedule this fall has one (1) Wagner :/
>>104894626Bach cantatas are the one area of vocal music where Gardiner's recordings don't sit right with me. well, that and the magic flute, which is a joke compared to the rest of his Mozart
>>104894626Karl>Gardiner>Phillippe>SuzukiThat being said all of them are good, only thing that differs is tempo usually.
>>104871661all russian waltz are goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI_ri5VsHagall russian romantic is better than everythingexcept bach, he is tied>>104871685classical commonly refers to baroque-classical-romanticthey had to call the three of them together classical to make up for classical era being by far the worst of the three
>>104895088Besides karls romantic style lol. Id never listen to one conductor conduct 224 different pieces by a composer such as bach though.
>>104895088a fellow richter chad, his arrangements are just much better sounding than anyone elses, he understands the music and how to make it sound epic and cinematic. also the sound of his choir is unmatched, listen to his BWV39 for proof.
>>104895088>>104894626What about Leonhardt, Koopman, and Leusink?
>>104895421I personally don’t really like their tempi and articulation choice however I really like Leonhardt’s playing of the goldberg
Could the St. Matthew Passion be staged as an opera?
>>104896306I think Richter has the best take on ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUO7FI7bHO0Elaborate staging, clear distinction of all the parts, but no camp costumes or anything too visual, he lets the music tell the story.
>>104896306Yes though it doesn’t need to be. When the passion is in good hands the drama is unfolded beautifully without necessity of visual queues.
Any cute guys here ?I want and need a boyfriend
>>10489659821 f italy you?
>>10489660623 m UK, add me on discord Herr_F#9580
Holy fucking kek
>>104896306The berlin phil staging thing was fucking ass and I hate people who contemporarizes music, especially sacred music
>>104894626I read Gardiners books and I have listened to suzuki’s perfomance live more than once.I can safely say that suzuki respects the original beauty of the text and treats every sound as important while gardiner just rushes through a lot of phrases to give it unnecessary movement, which should come naturally through emotion and not physically changing tempo and phrasing
>>104893632It's understandable when the titles are something like>Sonata in Key>Prelude in Key>Suite in Key
Organ is the first DAW
I recently discovered Graupner, he's quite good. Very nice baroque cantatas here
>>104893632If you're just listening to them I don't see why you should remember the key, other than if it was in major or minor.
>>104893632>oh you like Bach? Name all his cantatas then>BWV1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...
>>104893568Mozart, to me, is simple elegance, perfection with regards to symmetry and balance, and almost always has the spirit of opera shining though. Maybe you just don't like these characteristics? I must say, though, it took me a long time to appreciate it, and now I'd say that disliking Mozart was one of the greatest follies of my youth.
>>104895370>understands the music >and how to make it sound epic and cinematicchoose one
>>104898778It's actually worthwile remembering the keys as you suddenly notice the often rather strong associations certain composers have with the different keys and how they were carried over to the next generations by subsequent composers.
>>104899530And remembering them by opus or catalogue number gives you other information like what order they were composed in or what category they belong to.