Franck Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpdK_0upS0UThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>104101812
>>104131966that ain't wagner
Asking again: What is the best motif/melody in history?
>>104132165the sound of my balls slapping against your ass
>>104132165mozart laudate dominum
>>104132165Reposting what another anon said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzR1B8kwGAU
>>104132165Durch Zärtlichkeit Und Cchmeicheln
The 200 year old techniques are impossible to out date. The greatest works 1700-1900 were written as much for the year 3159 as they were for 2021 as they were for their respective year of composition. There were many temporary fads in the western music cannon, but haydn and Mozart were the first to put their aesthetic truly beyond what was merely popular at the time, and catapult their art into timelessness.The composers that we don’t remember today, they were just doing what was popular at the time. The composers we do remember are the ones who did what was right.The current fad of making ‘interesting’ ‘influential’ pieces will be largely forgotten within a century. It’s just a fad.
>tfw forgot schumann's birthdayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUaw4eiK5mM
All music after the 17th century is trash
All music after the Neolithic Revolution is trash
pleb: lute music transcribed to guitarpatrician: orchestral music transcribed to pianoking: any bach piece transcribed to analog synthesizergod: opera transcribed to wind ensemblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JssAGnq0nAk
All music is shit.Nine months ago, I was walking along a road and at the roadside, there were a few conifers, planted right next to each other, creating a dense barrier. It was a windy day. The sound the wind made when it hit those trees, this particular, well-tempered noise, it can only be described as a religious experience. Truly sublime. It stopped me dead in my tracks. I had the privilege to listen to it for half an hour before I had to get moving again.Now, up until that day, I always thougt that Josquin Desprez or Orlande de Lassus were the closest semblance of what might be called "God's voice on earth". Not anymore. That half hour of divine, fractal noise of streams of wind, thousandfoldly bifurcated between the trees' needles, profanized those composers for me. For good. To say nothing about the rest of all musicians.A few days ago, I segmented music into "art music" and "entertainment music". Not anymore. Art is entertainment. At the very best, it can point, like an index finger, to the divine and open our eyes and ears and soul to it. The noise of the wind hitting these conifers that day, however, WAS the divine itself. Never have I derived such deep satisfaction, found such profound and existential solace than I did that day next to those trees.I stopped listening to music. I shall meet the divine on these rare occasions in nature. Listening to consumerist music - and ALL music is consumerist! - will not fill my cup anymore. If anything, it can only remind me of the cup's existence.I hope, for all of you, that one day, just like me, you also will have an opportunity to discard this earthly, profane dirt called music. I so much wish it for you.I will repost this every day from now on.
>>104135841How do I become this high IQ with such perfect command of the English language?
>>104132165Swan theme from Sibelius 5.
Threadly reminder that opera was not meant to be listened to and if you listen to it, you are beyond cringe. Like, levels of cringe that haven't even been quantified yet.
>>104131947I've finally written enough decent pieces to attract the attention of musicians who like my music enough to play it and present it to the public.Here is a page from the first piece of mine to be played in public. Besides the violinist, I dedicate it to you /classical/, for endlessly telling me that I'm shit so that I can get better eventually.
>>104136381dude, stop baiting
>>104136460I'm not even remotely baiting. It's cringe. It's like reading the screenplay to a movie instead of watching the movie.
>>104136516And yet reading the score of a piece instead of listening to it is kind of based.
>>104136516no you're just gay some of us like music and you can't stop us
>>104136455>that piano part
Is there any sheet music in the sticky? Pianofag btw.
>>104131947If it ain’t Scriabin, then I don’t give a fuck.
>>104136837do you even know how to read music anon?
>>104136320get buck broken
>>104136455where in public
please dont hate on vivaldihis music is nice
>>104131947Question: which is better, all classical music written between 1800 and 1820, or all classical music written between 2000 and 2020?
>>104131947"Everything is political, Everything is Propaganda"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbfa86bTD34
>>104140312Beethoven's 6th is very political
For the past few months I've been finding tons of lovely songs to play, here's one if you want to take a whack at it. >>104136907https://sheet.host/sheet/VZ6vKx
>>104140312promoting nature is rejecting urbanization
Purcell was the greatest of the Anglo composers and easily ranks with Lully, Handel, Bach, and the rest of them; although he had excellent predecessors (Dowland, Byrd, Morley, etc.), to my mind he had no singularly good successors until perhaps Edward Elgar (with the exception of Thomas Arne, William Boyce, William Crotch, William Sterndale Bennett and, I'd argue, the honourable mention of Arthur Sullivan). Why do you think this is? (I'm not counting Handel and Haydn as Anglo composers kek)Btw, I'd recommend the following video if you want to get into Purcell:>https://youtu.be/NVZ0RW6Y6N4
I'm composing a strings concerto, rate what I've done so farhttps://vocaroo.com/1n03oV9iGISD
>>104132165Selig, wie die Sonne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQizi3-pINo
>>104140120That’s not even a question, no sane person would choose the latter.
The most beautiful piano trio movement Haydn has ever written : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y77X6cqabzo
Does anyone know of a mattaus passione recording that takes the recitavos similar to that of Phillipe H. (Fast/Musical/non-Dialogic in nature) and the Arias and Chorales similar to that of Klemperer or Richter (slow and intricate)? Thanks
People call Die Meistersinger the Bach opera, and although I like the name, is it really fitting?The main reason it's called that is that, more than being set in Nuremberg and being a testament to German art history, it utilises traditional musical forms such as the counterpoint in the overture. But what else is really similar to Bach in it? Does anyone know? I can only think of the use of organ/church music in the very first scene.Meistersinger seems like the least studied opera of Wagner's because it's one of the least groundbreaking, and I think this is a negative.
>>104143701>recitavos similar to that of Phillipe H. (Fast/Musical/non-Dialogic in nature)but why, it dimishes the dramatic effecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrayWqANOdY
>>104140120I mean is there even 1 (one) good classical composition from 2000-2020?
>>104144351There are many (but no, I won't post them).
What are your favorite one-act operas? Mine is Bluebeard's Castle by Bartók
>>104144128Wagner and Bach (and their extensions in the form of music) couldn't be further apart. While Meistersinger, in typical 19th-century nationalistic style, celebrates German culture, Bach is much more universal and composed in a time when there was no such thing as a one German identity. He also had no business composing in a form of music where his love for God couldn't permeate the music (opera). I don't know why this is even a debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yDX87VwPKMPost a better cantata challenge
>>104145276he's a vocal music God listen to his Mozart seraglio and his live c minor mass which is one of the best I've found. also he has one of the best beethoven 9th finales even though the rest of the movements are just OK. his bach is great too (vocal stuff specifically) he just has a magic ability to make vocalists do the most satisfying possible pronunciations and inflections of the words possible.on the other hand, DO NOT listen to his mozart symphonies or his zauberflote overture, it is terrifyingly bad.
>>104144336I understand the point of the recitavos however I want to listen to a recording that focuses purely on the musical aspects. I mean if you sit down with a score and listen to an hour of richter or klemperers recordings of mattaus you too would probably be bored when the recitavos played unless you were focusing on the lyric.https://youtu.be/uhC-hvmvb-k
>>104145484Meant to say of an hour of richter or klemperers recordings a day.
>>104144665Ariadne, Daphne and Capriccio. I love Richard Strauss.
>>104141154Byrd is easily the greatest though.
>>104145484just skip the recitatives thenwell there's a matthew passion in rutracker (biller 2013), try that one
>>104145787Ill listen to said recording, thx.
>>104144852How can you be this retarded?
BACH RICERCAR A 6
>>104146090Not an argument.
>>104146145What's the best recording of the Musical Offering?
Post guitar concertoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfSSRtXvvw
>>104146158To say opera is incapable of being Christian is just stupid, if Shakespeare can be Christian then so can opera. I could understand a claim that tragedy/drama is pagan by nature, but you don't even say that, you're just saying the dullness of a cow "it can't be Christian!". Everything you say in your post is just wrong, like how is Wagner "less universal" than Bach? Even if you could say there's nothing German about Bach, it's still not related to what I was saying, which is that Meistersinger has been called "the Bach opera" by many because of how it relates to and uses traditional German musical forms, such as Bach used.
>>104145329His Mozart symphonies are just so boring
>>104145329he should stick to baroque
>>104146958I meant Wagner prescribes to a less universal concept than Bach. Nationalism is less universal than God. Are you fucking retarded or something? And calling it "the Bach opera" is ridiculous, and neither did Bach use "traditional German musical forms", he used just as many if not more Italian and French forms as well. Fuck you.
great another pointless argument about wagner
>>104147255>Nationalism is less universal than GodNot true
why is there never mendelssohn in these?
>>104147666Some of his chamber works and organ fugues were posted last thread I think.
>>104147666I think a lot of people just haven't got around to listening to him. for a while i've had a recording of his 3 piano quartets and I love the first but could never get into the other two
>>104147691oh i'll have to take a look
>>104147666the ghost of wagner haunts these threadshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsPyDx-wsQ
>>104147666mendelssohn is an entirely disposable composerif all of his compositions were lost tomorrow, no one would miss them
>>104147666HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS>Jew poster is literally satanHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
David Diamond should be a porn name not a composer name.
>>104147908Are you fucking kiddding me? Mendelssohn is one of the most delightful composers
there is nothing of value beyond mozart
>>104145542The Baroque era and Early Classical is easily the best era for music and of the renaissance Byrd isn't even better than Dowland.
>>104148374this is even worse than anti-mozart contrarians
Bach is great and all, been a lot of greats, but can it even be disputed that Palestrina was the greatest writer for the voice?
>>104148532that would be mozart
i cant believe that bach is still releasing new stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_484a5cuyh4
>>104147349Only if you're fucking retarded, yeah
>>104148730takes one to know one
>>104147908Cringe. He has some fantastic and very underrated pieces, the 3rd symphony is particularly based.
>>104148532>>104148598*blocks your path*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yEZwpANUO0
What to learn after the beginner counterpoint stuff, ?
>>104148598It would actually be Wagner, who perfected the voice in drama, taking from Palestrina, Bach, Mozart and Beethoven.
>>104148887intermediate counterpoint stuff
>>104148887What is “beginner counterpoint stuff”?
How the fuck do I get to enjoy Webern
>>104148920you cant perfect something thats already perfect (mozart)
I kinda like it
>>104149261INFLUENCED BY MOZART!!
>>104149084How did Wagner literally kill opera? Like I get he was groundbreaking and basically put all of his artistic ingenuity into his operas, but really no one else felt like trying to write an opera afterwards?I really don't understand it.
>>104149392>What is Britten Stravinsky Puccini and Berg
>>104142730>>104144351Since this is the response, as any reasonable person would expect, then I have another question for you.If someone found himself with the urge to compose, and for whatever reason was forced to choose between writing in the style of the year 1810 or 2010, which should be choose if his goal was to write the best music he can?Another (separate) question: if Mendelssohn was deleted from history, and was instead born at the turn of the century, and thus began writing his entire body of works today, would he be criticized for writing in an outdated style? Would he be discouraged by people telling him to stop writing as if it were the year 1825?
>>104149423Not the point
>>104149012Fux shit, the 1 2 3 4 species know what I mean?
>>104149428Sneed's Feed and Seed (formerly Chuck's Feed and Seed)
>>104149428The world needs someone like that, someone writing in an unashamedly romantic style without the academic egotism that almost all modern classical carries with it. Something honest and from the heart, which embraces and pays tribute to what’s come before rather than cynically distancing itself from it.
>>104149101Listen to opus 6 and just enjoy the atmosphere and the timbres of the orchestra.
>>104149392Verdi literally wrote his greatest operas after the death of wagner
>>104149750Yeah but I mean, after Verdi and between him and Strauss.
>>104149791>after Verdi and between him and StraussThat's kinda silly because Verdi's last opera is from 1893 and right around that time R. Strauss started writing operas. So what 'in between' are we talking about exactly?
>>104149614No, we don't need someone like this because there are already plenty of such composers and it's horrible. Just listen to the dross of Alma Deutscher or the whole kind of "new niceness" school, or actually the garbage that is contemporary film soundtracks.
>>104149846In between Verdi and Salome.It's a GENERaL time you nog, specific works are irrelevant before the conceptualisation of the time.
>>104149894Film soundtracks are nothing like Mendelssohn.
>>104149905You're just full of shit. Opera was 'killed' because in a time period of 10 years between Falstaff and Salome there were no great operas? You just didn't really think things through, did ya?
>>104149982worst post in a long whileimpressive
>>104149261Christine Schafer is a massive cutie. Also, her French songs album is pretty amazing.
>>104149975No, YOU didn't really think this through.
>>104149982it appears we live in a sociey where someone here won't tell me how to learn counterpoint and instead uses it as oppurtunity to call me schizphrenic
"Counterpoint" is a common psychosis among musicians centering on delusions about a man named Fux. The main symptoms are
>>104150219I literally have no clue what “ Fux shit, the 1 2 3 4 species know what I mean?” is supposed to mean, all you need to know to play counterpoint such as bach is basic understanding of voices and harmony, if you want to compose or improvise just learn partimento figured bass and roman numerals
>>104150278>Fux shit, the 1 2 3 4 species know what I meanthat's just exercices about writing counterpoint
opera died because there was a world war and then it had to compete with the advent of mass culturewagner only contributed insomuch that it became more intellectual musically, as opposed to mere dramatic entertainment with nice singing and thus appealed an even smaller audience
don't mind me, just posting Beethoven's best piano concertohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp5ueaZ7CIw
https://vocaroo.com/1cB2AgfAqJtgI composed a Fugue for keyboard, do you like it ?
>>104150436>live restoredalso the fifth is the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZSChh_VCR4
>>104150364Try handels book on figured bass, i checked out the fux book and it seems like the handel book can help expand
>>104150512>>also the fifth is the bestonly if we pretend the 4th doesn't exist
>>104149148Mozart didn't have the benefit of Beethoven to learn from, though he was a dramatist at heart like Wagner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR_xTxglcCQ
Missa Solemnis composing for voice is on Palestrina's level.
>>104150589Both suck, Palestrina ruined music
For me it's Austro-Hungarian nationalist Arnold Schönberg
>>104141479Jumbled and all over the place but sounds like you have good smaller ideas which would be interesting to listen to if they were properly developed. I'd be pretty proud if I was you, you sound like an intermediate (midwit) musician.>>104150501Competent but boring; I honestly don't know how it would sound better (my idea of a fugue is mostly influenced by Bach and his work seems pretty hard to immitate, plus it's like saying "git gud". The form is too subtle for me to really say what makes it good.)I am untrained in music so I can't really say much more. Hope my reviews served as a good representation of the average person's opinion I'm sorry if I was unhelpful.
>>104149907But they are often written in an "unashamedly romantic style"
>>104150747Romantic only in the loosest possible sense.
>>104150586why>>104150694thanks for the review
>>104150087she is the best Lulu too
>>104150747Yeah, by people of zero talent who write ONLY to be pleasing and not to be good.I hate the “new niceness” school. I prefer pieces to be superficially pleasant (enough) but also rich with dramatic information.
FUCK CONTEXTThis post was written by romanticism gang
>>104150930>adds poetic context to their symphonies
Actually interesting (post-)minimalismhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lit_29CHR7k
You will never make it as a pianist
>>104150800>whyfirst of all, you do it too rushed. Let the beginning melody go alone for a bit before you do the fugue shit(sorry , am retard hope you get what I am saying) and then also, gradually add more instruments. it's like you shown everything you got in the first second and we have nothing to look forward to which makes it boring and repetetive. also try to develope your melody better or add a diferent melody, your piece stays too close home. hope that makes sense. take this as a comparison. this is basically what I mean:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHMJFhJNycM
>>104151120and to add to that. classical music is like a journey. you have to take us on a interesting journey. but you do it more like, you catapult us to the top of the mountain and then we stay there for the rest and circlejerk
>>104151159>classical music is like a journeykys
>>104151120>>104151159I see, thank you. To be honest I don't really like it either, it was more an experiment with weird intervals than anything else
>>104151248your hand doesn't count
>>104151182it's more like a box of chocolate I would say
>>104151270does your mom count?
>>104151296no, your mom doesn't count either unless you are from alabama
What is your favourite part of Der Ring des Nibelungen?Mine would have to be Siegfried's meeting with the Rhinemaidens.https://youtu.be/MPBxXaGnCgU?t=1008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUMdhTJ6zfk
>>104151326>anon cant read
>>104151342>anon can't lose his virginity
>>104151332Act 3 scene 2 of Gotterdammerung
>>104151370already did, now as i said kys
>>104151370i never lose
>>104151385>already didkek good joke
>>104151418>projecting this hard
>>104151446projecting this hard
>>104151446I accept your concession
>>104151490>>104151499please dont post your pics here
musique inspirée, ce n'est plus un " enfant de 9 ans" qui compose cela. Non! rythme, mélodie, orchestration légère , parfaite, c'est déjà le Mozart perfectionniste, adulte, savant et surdoué.
>>104151596Where's this quote from ?
>>104151511Siegfried's telling of his childhood and death
>>104151332Probably the dawn love scene, there’s nothing else in opera as sweet
>>104152008It's also quite a psychologically brilliant scene, with the motifs from the Idyll and Brunnhile's coming to terms with her mortality.
>>104151332Alberich seething and cursing Wotan.Wotan seething at Brunnhilde for disobedience.
is there seriosuly only 4 species of counterpoint even after 200 years?
>>104152202Why do you like seething so much?
>>104152919I just like the crescendi Wagner wrote for these 2 scenes
>>104153047I don't really remember Alberich's curse having much of a crescendo, nothing comparable to the Walkure finale.Tell me, what do you think of Alberich's seething in Siegfried, and Brunnhilde's seething in Gotterdammerung?
>>104153328Not him but Brunnhilde in GD is fucking terrifying. During her pre-marriage entrance with Gunther and the entrance of Siegfried’s body she has this really scary nothing-left-to-lose thing going on where she can and will do anything. It’s when she as a character is at her most interesting, compelling and powerful.
I'm trying to watch Wagner opera's on my projector but holy fuck is opera fucking gay. I have to watch it for an hour or two at a time at 3am like I'm fucking masturbating because I don't want my parents to think I'm some type of fag. I wish it was like the old days when opera was cool and everyone listened to it.
>>104154430>my parents18+ website
>>104154430>but holy fuck is opera fucking gay.That like, just society man.
>>104154445It's 2020 my man. Only boomers have houses
>>104154445What kinda country you live in where 18 yo are living by themselves
>>104154445wait, you can live by yourself at 18?
>>104151332Yeah same. Wonderful scene.
>>104132165Mahler Addagietto Symph 5
Did Chopin get his funeral march rhythm from any funeral march's before him? I can't find the same motif any earlier, but I can find it a lot after.
>>104155009the 2nd movement of Schubert string quartet 14 feels similar
>>104151332First part of Das Rheingold with the Rhinemaidens
>>104155229Brahms apparently found the Rhinemaidens ensemble very beautiful.
>>104155412Good man his music still blows though
>>104155795you have to be in the right mood
certainly one of Bach's greater pieceshttps://youtu.be/kHgopovNR9k
Brahms' piano concerto rules. there's nothing else like ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDCwNHbpVQ&list=PLe5JL7lnvlzA6iByzAhBUv3S9bDBKa7ua
>>104156684are zoomers so retarded that they need a fucking red line to follow the score?
>>104156899are you a sperg or what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1PxXk8YR4Unew vivaldi score vid dropped
>>104146476The webern orchestration recorded by boulez
here's a salieri piece thats actually pretty good and not garbage like the rest of his compositionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEXFJPPWnhU
66 years ago, from June 10th to June 16th, Glenn Gould recorded the Goldberg Variations.
>>104159157Gilels the GOAT
Beethoven's best symphonic movement is the 2nd movement of his 8th.
Just gonna swoop in and save this thread by saying Mendelssohn’s octet is one of the best chamber works of the mid-Romantic era.
Anyone got any tips for right handed jumps from a higher notes to lower notes? I can jump to the right, but from right to left is honestly so incredibly difficult for no reason.
Recommend me some god tier string quartets.
>>104162582I should have said to lower chords, single notes and octave jumps are fine. But traveling from right to left chords are very difficult to hit fast compared to any other variation in either hand.
>>104162592Mozart 19Schubert 14 & 15Dvorak 12DebussyGriegSibelius
>>104162592Haydn's prussian string quartets
>>104162451for me it's the second string quintet
Who is the Polanski of Classical?
Wagner sucks cock.
>>104164217and that's a good thing
>>104155009It's just the natural rhythm of a mourning procession. March rhythms have always existed.
What's this instrument called?It sounds like a harpsichord is being played so I assume it's that but for some reason the sound isn't in sync with this player unless i'm retarded
Khachaturian's piano concerto is so damn good!https://youtu.be/CcIpUW_1WskCan you recommend me something similar?
>>104165006are you the same guy that posted it last thread?
>>104164849you're the chud boyo
>>104152256only masons are allowed knowledge about the higher species
>>104165149Yes that's me. Are you the one that recommended Khrennikov's 2nd? I quite enjoyed that concerto.
>>104165221Take your meds schizo
>>104165475some youtube comment said he got "inspiration" for it from banned roslavets pieces he had access to as chairman of the composers union lel
>>104165499you ok buddy?
>>104165584Back at ya chud
>>104156899I think I remembered a comment from the youtuber smalin saying that his videos were helpful in some universities or schools where student had trouble following score and music at the same time.I don't remember which video it was though.
what does /classical/ think of iggy stravo?
>>104166572Moronic, but I enjoy his compositions.
>>104166572Boring ans not enjoyable
Always thought of her as a mediocre Debussy wannabe, but this is pretty good to be honesthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuC_Mt0rwpE
>>104166993She was pretty good. One of those composers I wish had lived longer
>>104167069actually, positive organ
>>104166572He was pretty good to be honest, perhaps the best composer of the 20th century. His symphonies are quite underrated, they're just as good as his most famous ballets. The Symphony of Psalms in special is a beautiful, chilly work with amazing vocal writing. And in some of his later works he even made 12-tone rows sound fun.
>>104167111ok but wagner is not from the same period at all, it feels wrong to me to compare composers out of their historical context, although that may be argued against. but in my view composers are still the product of their time and should be compared to their contemporaries.
>>104167263Everyone living past Christ is in the same period
>>104167813there's pre- and post-rapture
I wrote a passacaglia, am I the next Bach ?https://vocaroo.com/1kBy48rTxv9k
>>104168221Only if you improve your counterpoint. Start by getting rid of the fourths with respect to the bass. Try doing that and repost.
>>104168221How’d you learn comp?
>>104162592Late mozart, late beethoven, Bartok, & bach.
No Bach, No Beethoven, No Brahms.
I like the idea of minimalism but I fucking hate Phillip Glass, any recs?
Why are Beethoven's even-numbered symphonies so overlooked?
>>1041699916 isn't because it rules
>>104169991I think the appreciation towards them is much better than it used to be, actually.
>>104169991but they aren't
>>104168626not like the guy you quoted, hopefuly
>>104170161Like >>104170123 things are better now but if you listen to older cycles conductors clearly didn't give a fuck about 2, 4 and 8 in special. Also these works were rarely programmed. More recently people finally realized how good they are, specially 8
>>104169612Maybe try sacred/spiritual/whatever it's called minimalism, like Arvo Part?
what a cool prelude, I like the first theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRrwlKfK6Dg
>>104137538can you repeat the question?
music doesn't get better than thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl31xRgId74
>>104170658>music doesn't get better than thisWronghttps://youtu.be/eKrbmvg-tOE