Granados Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_IofNT7N0This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>103315269
what is this piece?https://youtu.be/WXLdDsLmmiQ?list=PLcT8oMKyEsNPDg1ld2Z-kAodRpCA7eI2z&t=2299
>>103342525Wtf is with musicians fellating themselves so hard? It seems like the current meta is to just ego pump the shit out of whoever you are promoting and hope everybody eats it up.
>>103338518everyone is mozart it’s true https://youtu.be/ii6VtnUVsok
>>103342650cuz it works
>>103342690a ten year commitment similar to an enlistment in the army
When is the Gottschalk Edition coming
>>103342837shut up american
>>103342541https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concert_arias,_songs_and_canons_by_Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozartpretty sure it's not on this list so it must be in one of the operas
>its another modern song or composition wont end on the tonic just because lol le different
>>103343640What about a modern song that ends on a picardy third?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmHbRNCwSa8
just composed this. im a total noobhttps://vocaroo.com/1boXeU4vyqMD
Is there software that annotates a piece with figured bass?
>>103342719or, you know... school. lol you do realize that we spend like 13 years in school
>>10334455113 years of music Ed is for rich people who send their kids to prestigious boarding schools not starving orphans
last minute recital programmes best recital programmes (and by last minute I mean I've got to submit it tomorrow with the performance in about 40 days).
>>103344038I actually like it, sounds like one of those classic 8-bit video game soundtracks. Turn it into a loop instead of that sudden cadence at the end.
Michael Jackson's music has more soul than Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIQmcwSg0nU
I want to feel the terror of God from something the way I feel it from the opening of the St Matthew's Passion. Any suggestions?
>>103345170Can someone define what "soul" is, please?
>>103345170that's a great song but no
>>103345273it's the difference between atheist brahms and god-fearing dvorak
>>103345187end of Dream of Gerontius
>>103345187Eh, not sure whether there's any comparable suggestions, but this is the closest thing I can think of. Is not strictly classical ok?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFxslhzRwI
>>103345170That nigga gave us Billie Jean, you say he touched those kids?
>>103345187Karl bohm conducts mozarts requiem
I want to get a digital piano for my room and I'm looking to spend around $1000. Is the casio px870 the best option?
>>103345529you really cant go wrong with that amount
>>103345460People always told me be careful of what you doAnd don't go around sleeping with young white boysAnd mother always told me be careful of who you trustAnd be careful of what you do 'cause the lie becomes the truth eh eh ehBillie Jean is not my loverHe's just a boy who claims I fondled his junkBut the kid is not my typeHe says I am the one, but the kid is not my type
so this is the power of /classical/https://vocaroo.com/1lvLi7rOyiQU
>>103345529u might find an old used nord for 1500
Could anyone rec something similar to the first movement of the Zelenka A minor Sinfonia Concertantio? I enjoy the depth, speed, and counterpoint of the composition. Thx
>>103345187to me that piece is heroic, such a weird emotion for a composition to represent because I can't think of anything remotely comparable. you feel the weight of the sins that JC died for, which makes that act of his sacrifice so heroic.
any recs for grand pianos around 10-12k?
>>103345699I think Bach's specialty when it comes to the emotion expressed in his music was consolation and uplifting amidst sadness and lamentation, in a way that no other music does. Particularly his cantatas with extremely dismal lyrics and hopeful music. I think if there's one thing we can take away from Bach's music about what he believed it's that life is suffering but full of beauty that allows you to smile while carrying your burden.
Any Rzewski fans out there? Went through a really big Rzewski phase last year, he made me really appreciate atonality. His American Ballads are probably my favourite and his variations are really good too.https://youtu.be/UNBNbHK2jgwhttps://youtu.be/DvestPHTuWc
reminder: all piano pieces sound better when played on classical guitar
>>103345960I was having a browse through his music on imslp the other day to see if he had any songs I fancied learning. Definitely made me think I should explore him more, since I've listened to the People United so many times without really delving into his other music.
michael jackson is commercialized garbage
>>103345993I'd definitely give his American Ballads a listen, probably my favourite collection of works by him and I can imagine many of them would be a lot of fun to play (although very technically demanding).I first heard of Rzewski when a lady at a piano recitle played this piece by him, it's pretty short so could be good intro to playing Rzewski:https://youtu.be/bZrBHAQWf70
>>103346048michael jackson was an entertainer, not a musician. he is the Bach of entertainment.
>>103345187imagine believing in a god that's supposed to be terrorizing lol. believers are so hateful
>>103346376It's a pleasant terror anon. Billie's music is pretty good as well
>>103346310I would argue, rather, that Michael Jackson was the Michael Jackson of entertainment
>>103346489i don't think a person who thinks Michael Jackson is garbage would understand that
why does everything just sound so much better on it bros?
>>103346522haha I think you have confused with someone else, I like Michael Jackson (but not as much as Bach)
>>103345410What is this, for a non-Russian speaker? Apologies if that isn't Russian
>>1033465465th prelude from well tempered clavier on this, yes please
>>103346599a quick google translate tells me that it's orthodox psalm chant. The Anglicans do a similar thing in English, though with organ compared to the orthodox fear of instruments
>>103346599It's Russian.It's an Orthodox chant for Great Lent called "Open to me the doors of repentance" with music composed/arranged by Pavel Chesnokov.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_ChesnokovI also like this one, by the same composer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqaTJVaRII
>>103346546Liking the harpsichord more than the piano is actually a confirmed signifier of autism. Autistic people prefer harsher sounding instruments.
>>103346546Older keyboard instruments have their place, but I think piano replaced them for a good reason.
>>103347071never said i wasnt>>103347220suck my big bach cockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobaQ4PFsZg&ab_channel=LucBeausejour
>>103347071wrong, autistic people hate harsh/loud noises. the higher dynamic expressiveness of the piano is much more autism-friendly, fo rthe same reason autists love anime and sonic the hedgehog and MLP with giant eyes and stock emotion signifying memes like sweat drops and rainclouds so they know what emotion is supposed to be depicted
>>103347328ok... this is kind of epic... lol comment section is pretty funny, some real harpischord die hards in there (one of them is probably you)
Do you like to listen in the background while doing other things (passively) or listen actively?
Is this guy a flavor of the week overhyped meme or is he actually good?
>>103347618both, but the latter almost exclusively when doing first listens
>>103347629He's actually really good. Like, really really good.https://youtu.be/6ANSfYZmiEc
>>103347629he's just riding on ikea's coattails
>>103347629his WTC is extremely good actually
>>103347618Pretty much just actively, I can listen to other types of music more passively but I like to listen to classical music with attention. It's funny to me that a lot of people like playing classical while studying and stuff coz I would find that really distracting
convince me not to purchase a 1980s 9’ steinway for 20k
How do I tag classical music in my media player?Performer = ArtistComposer = Album?
>>103347629bent pinky chads ww@
>>103348123Performer = Artistname of the recording = Album
>>103348086do it, just as long as you don't have to take out a loan or get in any debt
>>103347629he suffers from that unfortunate norwegian calamity whereby everything has some tongue in cheek comedy to it i really don’t like it, though he is an excellent player with interesting choices, his choices are sparse and his ultimately comes off as trite contrived square boring bland etc
I'm moving into a house soon and want to get an upright piano eventually. The only uprights I've ever played have been the two pianos my teacher had in the studio for lessons and I've absolutely hated them both. The first was old and sounded muddy, the second was new with really stiff keys and also sounded muddy. I like the feel of my electric and I really like the feel of the grand I get to play performances on.Are uprights sort of a different sounding/feeling instrument or have I most likely only played really shitty ones? What are some decent brands or things to look for to identify a piano that probably doesn't suck?
>>103348409I've played two upright pianos one sounds great the other sounds shit (and feels shitty to play) but I don't know more than that
>>103348409depends where you’re at, the main reason for a grand is the repeat action and pallet, if that’s not integral to your practice then an upright will get the job done frankly i’d say an upright doesn’t even qualify as a piano but that’s me
Anyone else find the last scene of Parsifal musically disappointing? It introduces no new motif, it does nothing new and originally communicative with the music, it's just a conclusion.
>>103348495I'd love a grand but I don't think I could ever justify paying $20,000 and dedicating an entire room to a musical instrument
>>103348512wow idk the piece but ending the end with a bland ending sounds really fucking modern and smart must be some genius composer like wagner
>>103348541well ywn be a pianist butit’s soundboard lost crown, action needs regulating and hammers voiced, which is several thousand more, but it’s also a model D for less than 50knew model Ds are like 150k>>103348224i’d be liquidating my /biz/ gains
>>103347629Listen to his inventions and tell mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmorlhskYNIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZlsbHOsRiY>>103348226Is the >hurr bach never intended the wtc/inventions to be seen as a set why is everyone recording them as a set durr I'm only going to record 2 random ones because they're all independent pieces also part of the norwegian calamity?
>>103348543By comparison with any other drama, opera or piece of music, it's fantastic, but with the other acts behind it, I think it fails to live up to a big conclusion.
>>103348630yes and so is the excessive reverb
>>103348610Guess money is only valuable after you actually spend it, but yeah that's alotta dough. Pretty skitz it's a model D though. Also if you're gonna spend that much cash make sure you give some thought to the acoustics of whatever room you put it in, would be a bit of a shame to get a model D and then put it in a heaps rank sounding room lol
>>103348787Total clarity in both voices at all times, I think he can afford it.
Why was this instrument abandoned? What makes a violin better?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZHTLV4AGs
for anyone else is literally imposible to bend just the pinky?
>>103348950i don’t like that he plays then flat and separates by changing the timbre i prefer way more movement in my bach
>>103345187wtf I had a dream about this place
>>103349438We all did.
>>103349587/x/ vibes. nice.
>>103349302same for me. I can't bend any finger without bending others
>>103349302these little pianimals are actually little pianimonsters https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUMlCoBGuo2jmHPAeuq1kGJkQ9XGepHIy
>>103347629his playing is actually goals and whatever his production team is doing really slaps>>103349302same anyhow ive been writing a lot of piano pieces lately and was wondering if /classical/ could give me any opinionshttps://youtu.be/rUYxZL-Wvlk
>>103348085I fucking love this
>>103349587I never did
I've yet to find a piece of music more magical:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y-xxhBia0s
>>1033493024/5 are basically glued together, when i tuck my pinky 4 is not gonna be straight. same when playing with them, if my pinky is tucked and my 4th finger is frozen and that’s how it is and partially why were tucking there was an old blog the asshole made it into a $50 book he talked a lot about keeping the skin on the hand taught and tucking to maintain your bridge
>>103350668i mean 4 will always be frozen if 5 is tucked and it’s supposed to be like that you’re giving 123 more support
Who was Bach's favorite composer?
Best recording of Beethoven's piano sonatas?
>>103350917>>103350960although if you asked him he would probably say his own music, because surely he would have to know no-one else's attempts could compare. he wasn't known for being the humblest guy around
>>103350917who was alexander the greats favorite king?
>>103351111probably his father
>>103350975>he wasn't known for being the humblest guy aroundmeaning? source?>>103351111Probably Cyrus the Great
>>103351351dude when someone tells you something dont say "source". thats so annoying
>>103351517Actually I do. It's only annoying if you make it out to be.
>>103345187Its pretty cliche but Verdi's requiem is always a good one. I workout to Dies Irae pretty often
>>103351528Watch any music appreciation shit aimed at plebs on youtube that covers Bach. Demanding a source on a very well known tidbit of information like that is like demanding a source on the sky being blue or something. Google it and/or get fucked.
>>103351711Based on what I've read, he was demanding and critical of others if they were not up to standard in his eyes, but that's not the same as not being humble.By all accounts he was humble (or at least not the opposite) when it came to his own abilities and their origin. He saw his own level as within reach of anyone who would put in the work. So yeah, I'm still going to need a source on that "very well known tidbit of information". You can provide it and/or get fucked.
What composer makes you react like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qMomtswSI
>>103350917>>103350975He really admired Antonio Vivaldi and the Italian style in general. He transcribed some of Vivaldi's (as well as other Italian composer's) work for the organ.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_concerto_transcriptions_(Bach)
>>103352357only beethoven desu
Listen to this all the way through if you want to reach a higher plane of consciousness. https://youtu.be/5iaxh1y1ZUs
Any tips or tricks on memorizing all this shit? Should I just proactive interval recognition using a cheat sheet until it starts to stick?
>>103352993A common way to learn intervals is to take a familiar tune you already know which uses that interval, and from there you can work til you don't have to think about it much anymore. If you do a google for "interval reference songs" you'll likely find some helpful lists.
I'm in awe at how good voice isolation has become for software. https://litter.catbox.moe/b6albw.oggThis will be so useful in bringing some life to historical records with overly balanced voices / under balanced voices. Shit it even captures the nature reverb of the voices so good. The only issue is that it's not the best at choruses.
>>103352993Why would you want to memorize this?
Can we turn this boring thread into Russian polyphony love thread?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDreatXYeU
>"music and drama are the highest artforms">just happens to be creating musical dramas
Best recording of Liszt's late piano works?
Teacher gave me a slightly easier piece after I said Pathetique mvt. 1 is a bit too hard. First time I'm gonna play something that isn't a piano solo. Any tips? Never played with othershttps://youtu.be/gX2zdnnDvKU
>>103345273strong emotions rather than bland utilitarianism or rationalism
Do you know a good recording of Stradal's transcription of BWV 528 ? I can only find recordings of the second movement but not the complete sonata.
>>103354216Because being able to read a tune in your head or sight-sing are important qualities for any musician
>>103345976I used to play some WTC pieces with my teacher, that I transcribed for two guitars. Some work oddly well for this. Miss those times desu.
>>103352071From Spitta's biography Bach's character is evaluated rather negatively: choleric, aggressive, narrow-minded about a broader cultural context, religiously bigoted, stuck in an obsolete contrapuntal style, depressed with a negative impact on his output in the last years of his life, lacking modesty, frustrated about his presumed lack of success, in short, a man impossible to get along with.
>>103356442the virgin spittathe chad forkel
>>103350486because you're soulless
how do you modulate when improvising?
>>103358225Never recorded anything and now it's too late. Today though I transposed this, and it seems playable for one guitar, but I never really got into recording - who knows, maybe I'll give it a shot sometime.(Can't be bothered to put all 4 voices into a single staff, I think that would require to rewrite the thing)
>>103345960I don't get it I guess, just sounds like a bunch of gibberish to me
>>103345976What are some good pieces that were actually composed for the guitar? Everything I hear is always a piano transcription played on guitar. Does flamenco fall under the "western art music" umbrella?
>>103352993Memorize in relationship to major/minor (or also the church modes).
>>103358420Hope you’ll one day post a transcribed lute suite recording. That couperin piece looks mighty difficult I wish you luck.
>>103358648Boccherini guitar quintets
>>103358317Dwell for a bit on some pivot chord or common tone, i.e. repeating/holding a chord or tone and then changing it's function (the chord's function inside the key or the tone's function in the chord).
>>103358420Can you actually play this? I bet that would sound nice on guitar
>>103351351He literally dueled a bassoonist because he thought his playing was wretchedHe Also enjoyed sending letters to members of royalty demanding better musicians
How do I listen to Bach without getting frustrated at the sheer amount of recycled material he put out? His music becomes so repetitive after a while.
>>103358736>transcribed lute suite without these I wouldn't have touched a guitar in years. Have played out of this edition so many times, it's honestly the best thing.>Hope you’ll one dayWell, I tried, here's the Allemande BWV 996 without preparation. And since my phone's micro decided to record at minus something dB there's even much hisssssssss.https://voca.ro/1l5q6FtYbYZ7>>103358939Well, sounded somewhat promising a couple of hours ago, but the barres tired me out a lot. There are a couple of places where I think I need to make compromises between playability and correct lengths/holds of notes.
>>103359332any examples where you ran into this problem?
>>103359444that's literally a transcription wtf is wrong with you
>>103359385Thanks for the recording, The tempo was really nice. The playing too of course.
>>103359444I love you
PSA i recently found all my wrist pain was from an impinged shoulder, actually two of them. back pain wrist pain ankle pain neck pain etcpic related and i am a completely new humanit’s musical because it was fucking up my playing and had been and now i’m fixed, if u have pain, surely make sure it’s not an impinged shoulder, ez fix super simple
>>103359639And Bach thought we wouldn't notice.
haha Bach is lazyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lK8Uthw0W8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUJggvfYOo8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZ21r2qgrQ
>>103359708Based paranoid schizophrenic
>>103359841ok finally found a brahms piece I like as much as symphony 3 though the Handel Variations are good: String Sextet no. 2 in G major.
david bruce COMPOSER
David Bruce cumdumpster
>>103359815to me this is a good device, as he obviously regarded these pieces as so conceptually strong that he could use them in a variety of ways. he crafts concepts and ideas, and you can't say that he didn't make 100's of insanely good, divinely inspired compositions
https://youtu.be/1vkhzVNn5xEhttps://youtu.be/qk0MV_cJfvQmy le disdain for plebs statue face when people don't enjoy multiple versions of the same music
why did music get so chromatic after the romanticism? what was the philosophy behind it?
>>103360492we finally figured music out and then the world wars happen and everything suddenly gets so dark tonality doesn’t even begin to cover it
I want to learn Italian or German but I cant choose which one.Which do you think is more "useful" in /classical/ listening & reading about music?
>>103360823Latin and then you get everything
i just made my first attempt at a fugue. I actually dont know how to make an episode. I guess this is just the exposition.https://vocaroo.com/1oEnKecvvD1z
>>103360653>then the world wars happenIt's not like any famous composers didn't live in times of brutal warfare. Beethoven lived through the napoleonic war and wrote songs about it.
>>103360823Italian, probably. I know a fair amount of French and some Italian, and I'm beginning German.
>>103360492the actual reason, not that i endorse it, is that by using systems like serialism which were incidentally, though intentionally chromatic, people could "disassociate" from themselves and that doing so artistically represented a psychological shift in the way westerners saw themselves after ww2.the attraction of serialism isn't just "muh dissonance," it's that you no longer compose "directly". you can say to yourself "now i'm going to alter the trajectory of my permutations" and the music will write itself. its the difference between a single-occupant aircraft/its pilot and a drone operator.
what’s the proper bass notation for a dom7sus4 with the 7th in the bass? V72sus4?
>>103360823I never understood why they make you learn a language for a BA in music. Don’t translations exist?
>>103360989Not him, but for some works, yeah, though they can be paywalled or lose things in translation.
>>103361036I mean if you took the cash you would pay for a lang class you could prob pay for a lot of translations and I dont get how you would lose anything in translation if the manuscripts youre reading should be informative in nature.
>>103360881yeah waterloo was unfortunate but it was no compare to ww1 and the german march to france. like half the men on the planet died, twice
>>103360873here's some feedback1) *most serious error* fugal answers are given in dominant key relations to the subject (that means E minor, not D minor). what you have written is actually not technically a fugue2) avoid leaping from G# to C in a minor (diminished 4th), especially as you are just beginning3) your countersubject is too leap-y. it sounds more like accompaniment than counterpoint4) random 3rd voices are not idiomatic in fugal writing, fill your harmony out horizontally5) the harmonic progression is unclear. maybe you're a cool modernist composer but your subject is rather baroque so i assumed it would be harmonized as such. it's much easier to write a fugue if you START with a harmonized subject (in a CLEAR progression such as i-iv-V or i-III-VI-iio-V) than try to horizontally compose and hope it works out.just to go into more detail on this point - look at bar 6. beat one is D minor (it should be E minor, but ok let's pretend). beat two is what? F sus4? neither prepared nor resolved properly. beat 3 is D minor again but with an ugly bare 5th in the RH. beat 4 is Bb but with a random C? so overall the progression is i-IIIsus4-i6-VI.this is to say that your basic counterpoint is pretty rough. suggest you look into Peter Schubert's "Baroque Counterpoint" for an excellent introduction to the subject
>>103361128Thanks so much for the feedback i really apreciate it. ill check that book!
I'm so lazy
does the 5 there imply i have to play all those notes going up and down with all the 5 fingers? Because ive been trying to play like that and is posible but very difficult and awkward. Specially on that second part when the thumb plays the F sharp. I think i would be much better to play it jumping the thumb
>>103361520You have to stretch your fingers wide and rotate your wrist.
>>103361520the editor is trying to get you to move your arm. don't try to play all the sisxteenth notes to the full duration. look at the dynamics and articulation. i think he wants you to avoid sounding muddy here. make the forte crisp and relax a little on the legato.
Which composer do you think comes closest to what Schubert would have written in his 30s and 40s?>inb4 Schubert
>>103361988probably schubert desu
>>103360873https://musescore.com/groups/counterpoint-and-fugue/sheetmusicpost here for feedback
>>103361520Is that goldberg 1?
>>103361520Yes jazz does that constantly, practice with a straight arm and straight down fingers, big circles, don't stretch too much but takethe opportunity. Try to keep a tight hand, make ur arm do the moving.All chords possible u can practice like that Also 10/1 will make those easy
http://radio.publicdomainproject.org/I found this through someone in here, it's great to find new music. They play good shit. Anyone want to listen along? And do you think we could put this in the OP as a /classical/ radio so anons can listen together?
I only listen to recordings from BIS Records because they are audiophile-quality and the sound is more important than the performance.
>>103362576>Our archive includes over 70 000 78 rpm records, cylinders and discs of Edison and Pathé that we have to clean and digitize.that Bruckner currently playing sounds super clean, is it really a public domain recording?
>>103362475>another 10/1 shill
>>103362671i was actually wondering the same thing... it could be that they got some other rights recently or they have extremely good digitization tech
>>103362671yes but not an older one
Any recommendations for stuff similar to this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEgEZJCJrA
>>103362671could be modern royalty free recordings. you can see these often on the composition's imslp pages. not saying that is what happened as i didn't hear the bruckner in time, but still
>the isnt a single public domain recording of pas de deux of the nutcracker suite
>>103362911>>103362671>>103362798get up and dance lads
>>103362475>Our archive includes over 70 000 78 rpm records, cylinders and discs of Edison and Pathé that we have to clean and digitize.https://pool.publicdomainproject.org/audio/flac/columbia/columbia-lx1041-cax9809.flaccool i didn't know about that recording
>>103363006whats that piece?
>>103363087a 1947 recording of beethoven hunt sonata played by arrau
holy shit there's a bach concerto I've never listened to. BWV 1044. helll yess time to party
>>103360263They weren't divinely inspired. Bach was a human and that music came from him and all the other humans that have inspired him. Stop giving credit to something that is nonexistent.
>>103363496You haven't listened to a Bach piece unless you can sing all the voices from beginning to end.
>>103359815i have noticed this with mozart and beethoven a lot as well but i didnt make notes on the pieces, but alone in mozarts piano concerto there are tons of recycled themes
>>103363568And? Is there anything wrong with that?
>>103361094>american educationNapoleonic war was borderline world wide and the effects of the French Revolution led to revolts and political tension forever.
>>103363574You know I'm right but go off lulz
>>103360823really just depends on your tastes, if you're big into german chads who kept it german like mozart and schumann, go with german.
>>103363578nope, i'm pointing out that it's normal... i actually enjoy hearing references to other pieces, makes me wonder if they are connected by meaning
>>103344038/mu/let here, it sounds ok, but there's really not much interesting harmonically going on. maybe put some more open chords to get out more of the range? again, t. /mu/let
>>103363676are you the cringe troll who was telling a beginner to start with chopin's 10/1 etude when even he only allowed his most advanced students to play it???i'm guessing you're an american with fast food mentality. one is not ready for 10/1 without at least 7 years of playing beginner and intermediate pieces.
Why did no one tell me Leonard Bernstein was a f@g
>>103363641No, I think you're a idiot for bringing up your provincial antagonism towards religion for no reason.
>>103363749>m guessing you're an american with fast food mentalityRENT FREE
>>103363749Yes, I'd love it if chopin was around to teach me but oh wait he is he wrote 24 pieces of technical studies just so people could know exactly how he really moved his arm
>>103363676It worked nice, i can get better res/durations combinations laterthat's 12 CG, do this for all chords both directionsDo the same for 45, then combine and permutate them, work their connections as glissandos to get performance tempoMore on fingers laterThese rotations are due to how the thumb leaps octaves
>>103363749>You shall benefit from this Etude. If you learn it according to my instructions it will expand your hand and enable you to perform arpeggios like strokes of the [violin] bow. Unfortunately, instead of teaching, it frequently un-teaches everything.-Chopin on 10/1There's no way for it to "un-teach" anything if you don't know anything in the first place, right?Checkmate.
>>103363749Spending 1 or 2+ years on a single etude (which is what would be required for a beginner) doesn't sound like a "fast food" investment to me.
>>103363749This movement isn't just for the etude. The first one is used anytime you change directions on the keyboard. The second is the order for this particular chord shape, which is about as long as you can get in a whole rotation, everything else is a piece of this move or a combination of its elements It completely sharpened my scales forever
>>103363926>spending 1-2 years on an etude and at the end of those two years you still can't play a simple Bach Chorale. >>103363909Unlearning is a major part of learning.
>>10336422310/1 helped me understand how to play scales with 1-5 fingering.You just adapt the same wrist movement, but modify the distance between the fingers.
>>103364304Chopin didn't say "unlearning", he said "unteaching". Teaching and learning are very different things, as are un-teaching and un-learning.
>>103364304>spending 1-2 years on an etude and at the end of those two years you still can't play a simple Bach Chorale.I didn't say you play the etude exclusively for those 2 years.Bach is still necessary.
>>103363749>7 years Yeah, if you're a talentlet who doesn't practice.
>>103364351(Un)learning is a natural, organic process that occurs as you build skill and experience, and the depth of your understanding increases. What you unlearn is superficial models that are no longer sufficient.(Un)teaching is a controlled, guided and as such inherently artificial process (which is not inherently bad), and when you unteach something, it means something was originally taught incorrectly in the first place.So unteaching is not a necessary part of teaching at all, unless there were mistakes in the teaching.
>>103360986V652 or maybe just V52.
>>103342525Thoughts on Zelenka?
>>103342525Are Bach/Zelenka/other great Baroque and Classical composers greater than Jacob Collier? I always hear him being called the musical genius of the 21st century but I don't know if he could stand against the old masters.
>>103364980I wanna play with Jacobs cute bum.
>>103364980He's only just recently begun finding his own independent style with pieces like "Home is", before that it was all arrangements/transcriptions and more-or-less conventional bluesy pop stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPY0uKSpfY8"Home is" sounds inspired by Ligeti's Lux Aeterna, just with microtonal tweaking for subtle color/timbre control.At this point I'm not sure he stands up against Ligeti, let alone Handel/Haydn, but it's still very early to tell, since he's only just starting out on forging his own musical language.>>103365002He'd probably let you.
i was sitting here listening to a really chill piece: Carl Nielsen, Paraphrase on 'Nearer, my god, to thee' and then got completely spooked :( it's dark here and i literally got anxiety from this i had to turn it off wtf
>>103364980Jacob Collier is not a musician
>>103365402There's been times when I've been literally shivering with tears falling down my face
>>103365002He's probably straight.
>>103365464yeah but how can you say that with certainty?
>>103366462Seeing as he's never talked about it in public AFAIK, we don't know for sure.
Opera destroyed the West.
>>103359673What is impinged?
>>103360823If you're more into Renaissance go with Italian, if you prefer everything after go with German. And considering the words tended to be more original later on, I'd suggest German.
>>103369152why? she's just a black lady that interviewed ppl
>>103361988Schubert was inspired and whipped on by his closeness to death, before then he was skilled but not enough to be remembered as one of the "greats" before 29. So he probably wrote a lot that he would have written later on anyway.But maybe a bit of Liszt?
>>103369152No, Italian and French opera destroyed the Renaissance voice, thereby destroying the West.
guys i want to start learning the piano and i want to play only baroque pieces. pls recommend give me a syllabus of novice, medium, and advanced pieces
Hey guys I made three Spotify playlists that together have all the music Beethoven wrote for solo piano. It's a sonata playlist, a variations playlist, and a miscellaneous playlist. It's in chronological order of composition (except for some early sonatas he published late in his career, where I respected his numbering order). So in case anyone wants to explore all solo piano Beethoven here you go>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4XAznO33nZ8AjIojuhAyNR?si=DCT7JY3OTvmlUUFFNOVjtA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5BlRZQwFrG0QgYtpzpbb1H?si=XmYh8Y9vS06ufNPp6SMrEQ&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5sXV304ZRMohsBYmfxFzjS?si=EXgyCyRBQ-qNu9HAMZ55XA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1I mostly picked performances by Schenck, Buchbinder, Jando, Gianluca Cascoli, some Brendel, and a few other random people whose performance I liked
>>103370684do you like lortie that much?
>>103370761Oh I wanted to pick a general recording for the sonatas for consistency, and had a "normie-frendly" playlist in mind, so no hiss boomercore. That is my favorite recording with good sound. I also considered Levit, Annie Fischer, Barenboim, Brendel, and Pollini.
>>103370896Though if you have some other suggestion that fits the criteria please do tell.
music for zoomer girls but it's good https://youtu.be/h3-rNMhIyuQ
>>103370942pic relatedalso maria grinberg recorded the piano sonatas>Levitwhy do you hate beethoven?also i like David Bien-Pienaar recordings, if we are talking about contemporary pianists
>>103371327yeah, like, totally, bach is for like, zoomer girls lolbut he's still good lol
>>103371327zis guy izza got zier pianizt. how zu i git az gut?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvYQUIKjtZk
>>103371612No that one sucks and is for boomer women
Have been renting a grand piano since jan but feel like I got a bad deal. I don’t think I want to continue renting after my time expires on it (beginning of june), but don’t know any other rental place that has a decent deal. What should I do?
You know, there's a vast untapped potential to use Wagnerian leitmotifs in ones own composition/drama.Strauss partially did it in his Tod und Verklarung.
>>103372604I can't answer your question but I'm curious, how much does it cost to rent a grand piano?
>>103372751It depends on a lot of things, try looking it up for your area.
>>103361988He was planning to go and study counterpoint with Simon Sechter before he died, who was regarded as a leader in the area. So we might have seen him use a lot more fugues in the same way that later Beethoven incorporated a lot of them into his work. I think Liszt isn't a bad comparison, although obviously without quite as much virtuosity since Schubert was a more introverted composer. It would have been interesting to see if later Schubert would have produced any concerti. I reckon he might have had one or two in him.
Am I a pleb for not liking Prokofiev? I swear I’m trying
>>103373482what have you been listening to?
>>103364773Probably my favorite composer
In the understanding great music lecture #4 he says what pythagoras discovered about harmony was "rediscovered" during the renaissance. By "rediscovered" does he mean that there were somehow record of pythagoras's findings or the same information was discovered again by someone else? If there were somehow records of pythagoras's findings what were they and how were they found?
>>103374715math and music relationship is a meme.
my piano playing is bad because i have a shoulder impingement. :( thanks anon who talked about that earlier fixing it is so painful omg
Whenever I listen to classical music it all sounds the same to me, like assuming all of the instruments are the same I could be listening to one piece by one composer in one genre and then I could listen to another piece by a different composer in a different genre and like in my mind, the second piece could easily just follow on from the first in my mindWhen I listen to solo pieces for instruments that becomes even worse, it all sounds the same to me unless for some reason a particular melody stands out to meI think that a lot of my enjoyment of classical music involves me memorising a piece and then feeling good while listening to it, remembering it in my head as the piece goes on
>>103375228Listen moreListen chronologicallyRead into historyLearn music theory (counterpoint, harmony, forms)
>>103375228a major part of music enjoyment comes from recognizing stuff you heard before.
>>103375332I tried listening a lot in the past and yeah I did listen chronologicallyListened to a lot of baroque music, mostly bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3UodTHr1Cchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9dqyJL4koI like some of these but it's mostly because I remembered them for some reason, others I didn't remember because i was boredAlso I think music theory is too hard for me to learn>>103375368Well my problem is that I don't remember 99% of music because it sounds like noise to me
>>103375486thats because you need the general classical music patterns in your head first.
>>103375228>>103375486that's weird dude
>>103375486>I don't remember 99% of music because it sounds like noise to meYou may have a mild form of amusia
>>103375546Uh well I did a tone-deafness test and I scored better than 85% of people who've done it so I doubt it>>103375517I'm just whining>>103375504Seems like a big commitmentMeanwhile there's people who don't do any listening or theory training who can listening to Mozart or Beethoven and enjoy it while I hate both of those and find them to be boring noise
>>103375610> I scored better than 85% of people who've done it so I doubt itI am talking about something like musical anhedonia, I guess.
>>103361520Much easier to just play that 5-3-2-1-2-1-2-3-5, I don't see any musical reason to play the F# with your thumb
>>103362475Can you fuck off with your >muh 10/1 alreadyIt's an advanced piece that a beginning or intermediate player has no reason to study
>>103375706cope. There are no downsides to having a beginner practice 10/1 at slow tempo.Next thread will be a 10/1 edition, you can be sure of it.
>>103375228Listen more. It didn't click for me either at first.
>>103375706Nothing wrong with an intermediate player studying this. It will be a grind though and you have to be ready for that.
>>103350917petzold is the only correct answer
>>103375782for me everything clicked at first except Brahms and other romantics of that sort. every Dvorak piece tends to immediately click though. tchaikovskys ballets were instant to but I listened to his symphonies and piano concerto once and that was like brahms, but I should give them another listen some time soon
any1 have recs for major works for piano 10-20 minutes in length, i’d like something neo romantic, like this but harder >Janacek https://youtu.be/9m5oVNFlKnc
>>103374566wrong concerto https://youtu.be/fJt9f5jqXic
Can someone explain what makes Bach's counterpoint so special? Without being vague
>>103377491>implying that there's a wrong Prokofiev concerto
im a total brainlet when it comes to chords and roman numerals and stuff. Whats a good way of understanding all of that?
>>103377984the old meme is schoenberg harmony exercises
>>103377984Correct answer would be to read a book, but here you go:https://www.youtube.com/c/SethMonahan/videos
>>103378283I mean, what separates his counterpoint from other composers' counterpoint?
>>103378458the impression i got was that he uses suspensions and hidden dissonances in a way that’s obscured and the listener gets this endless relistenability someone deleted their invention analysis videos that did a good job of showing that
>>103370684these are all historically informed performances on a period instrument, but are excellent https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy5IRCYvmbSz9YCZsTCFuLjGcxFmd0qyY