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Granados Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_IofNT7N0

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

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what is this piece?
https://youtu.be/WXLdDsLmmiQ?list=PLcT8oMKyEsNPDg1ld2Z-kAodRpCA7eI2z&t=2299
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>>103342525
Wtf is with musicians fellating themselves so hard? It seems like the current meta is to just ego pump the shit out of whoever you are promoting and hope everybody eats it up.
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>>103338518
everyone is mozart it’s true
https://youtu.be/ii6VtnUVsok
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>>103342650
cuz it works
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>>103342690
a ten year commitment similar to an enlistment in the army
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When is the Gottschalk Edition coming
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>>103342837
shut up american
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>>103342541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concert_arias,_songs_and_canons_by_Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart
pretty sure it's not on this list so it must be in one of the operas
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>its another modern song or composition wont end on the tonic just because lol le different
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>>103343640
What about a modern song that ends on a picardy third?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmHbRNCwSa8
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just composed this. im a total noob

https://vocaroo.com/1boXeU4vyqMD
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Eastman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d9WDEPGDUU&ab_channel=Pianofortwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkmJdNeWglo&ab_channel=DagindeBranding
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Is there software that annotates a piece with figured bass?
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>>103342719
or, you know... school. lol you do realize that we spend like 13 years in school
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>>103344551
13 years of music Ed is for rich people who send their kids to prestigious boarding schools not starving orphans
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last minute recital programmes best recital programmes (and by last minute I mean I've got to submit it tomorrow with the performance in about 40 days).
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>>103344038
I actually like it, sounds like one of those classic 8-bit video game soundtracks.
Turn it into a loop instead of that sudden cadence at the end.
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Michael Jackson's music has more soul than Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIQmcwSg0nU
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I want to feel the terror of God from something the way I feel it from the opening of the St Matthew's Passion. Any suggestions?
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>>103345170
Can someone define what "soul" is, please?
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>>103345170
that's a great song but no
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>>103345273
it's the difference between atheist brahms and god-fearing dvorak
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>>103345187
end of Dream of Gerontius
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>>103345187
Eh, not sure whether there's any comparable suggestions, but this is the closest thing I can think of.
Is not strictly classical ok?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqFxslhzRwI
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>>103345170
That nigga gave us Billie Jean, you say he touched those kids?
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>>103345187
Karl bohm conducts mozarts requiem
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I want to get a digital piano for my room and I'm looking to spend around $1000. Is the casio px870 the best option?
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>>103345529
you really cant go wrong with that amount
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>>103345460
People always told me be careful of what you do
And don't go around sleeping with young white boys
And mother always told me be careful of who you trust
And be careful of what you do 'cause the lie becomes the truth eh eh eh


Billie Jean is not my lover
He's just a boy who claims I fondled his junk
But the kid is not my type
He says I am the one, but the kid is not my type
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so this is the power of /classical/

https://vocaroo.com/1lvLi7rOyiQU
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>>103345529
u might find an old used nord for 1500
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Could anyone rec something similar to the first movement of the Zelenka A minor Sinfonia Concertantio? I enjoy the depth, speed, and counterpoint of the composition. Thx
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>>103345187
to me that piece is heroic, such a weird emotion for a composition to represent because I can't think of anything remotely comparable. you feel the weight of the sins that JC died for, which makes that act of his sacrifice so heroic.
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any recs for grand pianos around 10-12k?
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>>103345699
I think Bach's specialty when it comes to the emotion expressed in his music was consolation and uplifting amidst sadness and lamentation, in a way that no other music does. Particularly his cantatas with extremely dismal lyrics and hopeful music. I think if there's one thing we can take away from Bach's music about what he believed it's that life is suffering but full of beauty that allows you to smile while carrying your burden.
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Any Rzewski fans out there? Went through a really big Rzewski phase last year, he made me really appreciate atonality.

His American Ballads are probably my favourite and his variations are really good too.

https://youtu.be/UNBNbHK2jgw

https://youtu.be/DvestPHTuWc
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reminder: all piano pieces sound better when played on classical guitar
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>>103345960
I was having a browse through his music on imslp the other day to see if he had any songs I fancied learning. Definitely made me think I should explore him more, since I've listened to the People United so many times without really delving into his other music.
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>>103345976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzHQaR2cyY0&
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michael jackson is commercialized garbage
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>>103345976
based
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>>103345993
I'd definitely give his American Ballads a listen, probably my favourite collection of works by him and I can imagine many of them would be a lot of fun to play (although very technically demanding).

I first heard of Rzewski when a lady at a piano recitle played this piece by him, it's pretty short so could be good intro to playing Rzewski:

https://youtu.be/bZrBHAQWf70
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>>103346048
michael jackson was an entertainer, not a musician. he is the Bach of entertainment.
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>>103345187
imagine believing in a god that's supposed to be terrorizing lol. believers are so hateful
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>>103346376
It's a pleasant terror anon. Billie's music is pretty good as well
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>>103346310
I would argue, rather, that Michael Jackson was the Michael Jackson of entertainment
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>>103346489
i don't think a person who thinks Michael Jackson is garbage would understand that
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why does everything just sound so much better on it bros?
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>>103346522
haha I think you have confused with someone else, I like Michael Jackson (but not as much as Bach)
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>>103345410
What is this, for a non-Russian speaker? Apologies if that isn't Russian
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Forqueray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juav4wrYFV0
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>>103346546
5th prelude from well tempered clavier on this, yes please
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>>103346599
a quick google translate tells me that it's orthodox psalm chant. The Anglicans do a similar thing in English, though with organ compared to the orthodox fear of instruments
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>>103346599
It's Russian.
It's an Orthodox chant for Great Lent called "Open to me the doors of repentance" with music composed/arranged by Pavel Chesnokov.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Chesnokov

I also like this one, by the same composer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqaTJVaRII
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>>103345976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrWHh1wZnYw
true
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>>103346546
Liking the harpsichord more than the piano is actually a confirmed signifier of autism. Autistic people prefer harsher sounding instruments.
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>>103346546
Older keyboard instruments have their place, but I think piano replaced them for a good reason.
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>>103347071
never said i wasnt
>>103347220
suck my big bach cock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cobaQ4PFsZg&ab_channel=LucBeausejour
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>>103347071
wrong, autistic people hate harsh/loud noises. the higher dynamic expressiveness of the piano is much more autism-friendly, fo rthe same reason autists love anime and sonic the hedgehog and MLP with giant eyes and stock emotion signifying memes like sweat drops and rainclouds so they know what emotion is supposed to be depicted
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>>103347328
ok... this is kind of epic...

lol comment section is pretty funny, some real harpischord die hards in there (one of them is probably you)
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Do you like to listen in the background while doing other things (passively) or listen actively?
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Is this guy a flavor of the week overhyped meme or is he actually good?
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>>103347629
>yellow piss
meme
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>>103347618
both, but the latter almost exclusively when doing first listens
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>>103347629
He's actually really good. Like, really really good.

https://youtu.be/6ANSfYZmiEc
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>>103347629
he's just riding on ikea's coattails
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>>103347629
his WTC is extremely good actually
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>>103345187
Parsifal.
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>>103347618
Pretty much just actively, I can listen to other types of music more passively but I like to listen to classical music with attention. It's funny to me that a lot of people like playing classical while studying and stuff coz I would find that really distracting
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Soviet Jazz

https://youtu.be/cekix2pj5uU
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convince me not to purchase a 1980s 9’ steinway for 20k
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How do I tag classical music in my media player?
Performer = Artist
Composer = Album
?
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>>103347629
bent pinky chads ww@
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVJ-X1v1yFU
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>>103348123
Performer = Artist
name of the recording = Album
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>>103348086
do it, just as long as you don't have to take out a loan or get in any debt
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>>103347629
he suffers from that unfortunate norwegian calamity whereby everything has some tongue in cheek comedy to it
i really don’t like it, though he is an excellent player with interesting choices, his choices are sparse and his ultimately comes off as trite contrived square boring bland etc
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I'm moving into a house soon and want to get an upright piano eventually. The only uprights I've ever played have been the two pianos my teacher had in the studio for lessons and I've absolutely hated them both. The first was old and sounded muddy, the second was new with really stiff keys and also sounded muddy. I like the feel of my electric and I really like the feel of the grand I get to play performances on.

Are uprights sort of a different sounding/feeling instrument or have I most likely only played really shitty ones? What are some decent brands or things to look for to identify a piano that probably doesn't suck?
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>>103348409
I've played two upright pianos one sounds great the other sounds shit (and feels shitty to play) but I don't know more than that
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>>103348409
depends where you’re at, the main reason for a grand is the repeat action and pallet, if that’s not integral to your practice then an upright will get the job done
frankly i’d say an upright doesn’t even qualify as a piano but that’s me
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Anyone else find the last scene of Parsifal musically disappointing? It introduces no new motif, it does nothing new and originally communicative with the music, it's just a conclusion.
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>>103348495
I'd love a grand but I don't think I could ever justify paying $20,000 and dedicating an entire room to a musical instrument
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>>103348512
wow idk the piece but ending the end with a bland ending sounds really fucking modern and smart
must be some genius composer like wagner
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>>103348541
well ywn be a pianist but
it’s soundboard lost crown, action needs regulating and hammers voiced, which is several thousand more, but it’s also a model D for less than 50k
new model Ds are like 150k
>>103348224
i’d be liquidating my /biz/ gains
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>>103347629
Listen to his inventions and tell me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmorlhskYNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZlsbHOsRiY

>>103348226
Is the
>hurr bach never intended the wtc/inventions to be seen as a set why is everyone recording them as a set durr I'm only going to record 2 random ones because they're all independent pieces
also part of the norwegian calamity?
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>>103348543
By comparison with any other drama, opera or piece of music, it's fantastic, but with the other acts behind it, I think it fails to live up to a big conclusion.
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>>103348630
yes and so is the excessive reverb
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>>103348610
Guess money is only valuable after you actually spend it, but yeah that's alotta dough. Pretty skitz it's a model D though. Also if you're gonna spend that much cash make sure you give some thought to the acoustics of whatever room you put it in, would be a bit of a shame to get a model D and then put it in a heaps rank sounding room lol
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>>103348787
Total clarity in both voices at all times, I think he can afford it.
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Why was this instrument abandoned? What makes a violin better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZHTLV4AGs
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for anyone else is literally imposible to bend just the pinky?
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>>103348950
i don’t like that he plays then flat and separates by changing the timbre
i prefer way more movement in my bach
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>>103345187
wtf I had a dream about this place
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>>103349438
We all did.
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>>103348226
this
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>>103349587
/x/ vibes. nice.
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlEa_LWwvg
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>>103349302
same for me. I can't bend any finger without bending others
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>>103349302
these little pianimals are actually little pianimonsters
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUMlCoBGuo2jmHPAeuq1kGJkQ9XGepHIy
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>>103347629
his playing is actually goals and whatever his production team is doing really slaps

>>103349302
same

anyhow ive been writing a lot of piano pieces lately and was wondering if /classical/ could give me any opinions

https://youtu.be/rUYxZL-Wvlk
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>>103348085
I fucking love this
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>>103349587
I never did
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I've yet to find a piece of music more magical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y-xxhBia0s
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>>103349302
4/5 are basically glued together, when i tuck my pinky 4 is not gonna be straight. same when playing with them, if my pinky is tucked and my 4th finger is frozen and that’s how it is and partially why were tucking
there was an old blog the asshole made it into a $50 book he talked a lot about keeping the skin on the hand taught and tucking to maintain your bridge
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>>103350668
i mean 4 will always be frozen if 5 is tucked and it’s supposed to be like that
you’re giving 123 more support
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Who was Bach's favorite composer?
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Best recording of Beethoven's piano sonatas?
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>>103350917
buxtehude probably
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>>103350917
>>103350960
although if you asked him he would probably say his own music, because surely he would have to know no-one else's attempts could compare. he wasn't known for being the humblest guy around
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>>103350917
who was alexander the greats favorite king?
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>>103351111
probably his father
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>>103350975
>he wasn't known for being the humblest guy around
meaning? source?

>>103351111
Probably Cyrus the Great
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>>103351351
dude when someone tells you something dont say "source". thats so annoying
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>>103351517
Actually I do.
It's only annoying if you make it out to be.
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>>103345187
Its pretty cliche but Verdi's requiem is always a good one. I workout to Dies Irae pretty often
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>>103351528
Watch any music appreciation shit aimed at plebs on youtube that covers Bach. Demanding a source on a very well known tidbit of information like that is like demanding a source on the sky being blue or something. Google it and/or get fucked.
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>>103351711
Based on what I've read, he was demanding and critical of others if they were not up to standard in his eyes, but that's not the same as not being humble.
By all accounts he was humble (or at least not the opposite) when it came to his own abilities and their origin. He saw his own level as within reach of anyone who would put in the work.
So yeah, I'm still going to need a source on that "very well known tidbit of information". You can provide it and/or get fucked.
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What composer makes you react like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qMomtswSI
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>>103350917
>>103350975
He really admired Antonio Vivaldi and the Italian style in general. He transcribed some of Vivaldi's (as well as other Italian composer's) work for the organ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_concerto_transcriptions_(Bach)
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>>103351111
Diogenes
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buxtehude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d07Sxg4PcN0
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>>103352357
only beethoven desu
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Listen to this all the way through if you want to reach a higher plane of consciousness.

https://youtu.be/5iaxh1y1ZUs
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Any tips or tricks on memorizing all this shit? Should I just proactive interval recognition using a cheat sheet until it starts to stick?
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>>103352993
A common way to learn intervals is to take a familiar tune you already know which uses that interval, and from there you can work til you don't have to think about it much anymore. If you do a google for "interval reference songs" you'll likely find some helpful lists.
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I'm in awe at how good voice isolation has become for software.
https://litter.catbox.moe/b6albw.ogg
This will be so useful in bringing some life to historical records with overly balanced voices / under balanced voices.

Shit it even captures the nature reverb of the voices so good. The only issue is that it's not the best at choruses.
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>>103352993
Why would you want to memorize this?
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Can we turn this boring thread into Russian polyphony love thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDreatXYeU
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>"music and drama are the highest artforms"
>just happens to be creating musical dramas
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Best recording of Liszt's late piano works?
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Teacher gave me a slightly easier piece after I said Pathetique mvt. 1 is a bit too hard. First time I'm gonna play something that isn't a piano solo. Any tips? Never played with others

https://youtu.be/gX2zdnnDvKU
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>>103345273
strong emotions rather than bland utilitarianism or rationalism
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Do you know a good recording of Stradal's transcription of BWV 528 ? I can only find recordings of the second movement but not the complete sonata.
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>>103354216
Because being able to read a tune in your head or sight-sing are important qualities for any musician
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>>103345976
I used to play some WTC pieces with my teacher, that I transcribed for two guitars. Some work oddly well for this. Miss those times desu.
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>>103352071
From Spitta's biography Bach's character is evaluated rather negatively: choleric, aggressive, narrow-minded about a broader cultural context, religiously bigoted, stuck in an obsolete contrapuntal style, depressed with a negative impact on his output in the last years of his life, lacking modesty, frustrated about his presumed lack of success, in short, a man impossible to get along with.
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>>103356442
the virgin spitta
the chad forkel
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>>103344492
musescore
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>>103355291
Post recordings
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>>103350486
because you're soulless
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how do you modulate when improvising?
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>>103358225
Never recorded anything and now it's too late.
Today though I transposed this, and it seems playable for one guitar, but I never really got into recording - who knows, maybe I'll give it a shot sometime.
(Can't be bothered to put all 4 voices into a single staff, I think that would require to rewrite the thing)
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>>103345960
I don't get it I guess, just sounds like a bunch of gibberish to me
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>>103345976
What are some good pieces that were actually composed for the guitar? Everything I hear is always a piano transcription played on guitar. Does flamenco fall under the "western art music" umbrella?
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>>103352993
Memorize in relationship to major/minor (or also the church modes).
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>>103358420
Hope you’ll one day post a transcribed lute suite recording. That couperin piece looks mighty difficult I wish you luck.
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>>103358648
Boccherini guitar quintets
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>>103358317
Dwell for a bit on some pivot chord or common tone, i.e. repeating/holding a chord or tone and then changing it's function (the chord's function inside the key or the tone's function in the chord).
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>>103358420
Can you actually play this? I bet that would sound nice on guitar
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>>103353148
which software?
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>>103351351
He literally dueled a bassoonist because he thought his playing was wretched
He Also enjoyed sending letters to members of royalty demanding better musicians
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>>103358317
diminished chords
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>>103359181
based
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How do I listen to Bach without getting frustrated at the sheer amount of recycled material he put out? His music becomes so repetitive after a while.
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>>103358736
>transcribed lute suite
without these I wouldn't have touched a guitar in years. Have played out of this edition so many times, it's honestly the best thing.

>Hope you’ll one day
Well, I tried, here's the Allemande BWV 996 without preparation. And since my phone's micro decided to record at minus something dB there's even much hisssssssss.
https://voca.ro/1l5q6FtYbYZ7

>>103358939
Well, sounded somewhat promising a couple of hours ago, but the barres tired me out a lot. There are a couple of places where I think I need to make compromises between playability and correct lengths/holds of notes.
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>>103359332
any examples where you ran into this problem?
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>>103359414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ascdQJ6HGpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcPxm2kWC-w
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>>103359444
that's literally a transcription wtf is wrong with you
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>>103359299
Yes obviously
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>>103359385
Thanks for the recording, The tempo was really nice. The playing too of course.
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>>103359444
I love you
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PSA i recently found all my wrist pain was from an impinged shoulder, actually two of them. back pain wrist pain ankle pain neck pain etc
pic related and i am a completely new human
it’s musical because it was fucking up my playing and had been and now i’m fixed, if u have pain, surely make sure it’s not an impinged shoulder, ez fix super simple
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>>103359639
And Bach thought we wouldn't notice.
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>>103359444
Actual retard
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haha Bach is lazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lK8Uthw0W8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUJggvfYOo8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LZ21r2qgrQ
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>>103359708
Based paranoid schizophrenic
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>>103359841
ok finally found a brahms piece I like as much as symphony 3 though the Handel Variations are good: String Sextet no. 2 in G major.
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david bruce COMPOSER
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David Bruce cumdumpster
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>>103359815
to me this is a good device, as he obviously regarded these pieces as so conceptually strong that he could use them in a variety of ways. he crafts concepts and ideas, and you can't say that he didn't make 100's of insanely good, divinely inspired compositions
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https://youtu.be/1vkhzVNn5xE
https://youtu.be/qk0MV_cJfvQ

my le disdain for plebs statue face when people don't enjoy multiple versions of the same music
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why did music get so chromatic after the romanticism? what was the philosophy behind it?
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>>103360492
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernism
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>>103360492
we finally figured music out and then the world wars happen and everything suddenly gets so dark tonality doesn’t even begin to cover it
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I want to learn Italian or German but I cant choose which one.

Which do you think is more "useful" in /classical/ listening & reading about music?
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>>103360823
Latin and then you get everything
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i just made my first attempt at a fugue. I actually dont know how to make an episode. I guess this is just the exposition.

https://vocaroo.com/1oEnKecvvD1z
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>>103360653
>then the world wars happen
It's not like any famous composers didn't live in times of brutal warfare. Beethoven lived through the napoleonic war and wrote songs about it.
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>>103360823
Italian, probably. I know a fair amount of French and some Italian, and I'm beginning German.
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>>103360492
the actual reason, not that i endorse it, is that by using systems like serialism which were incidentally, though intentionally chromatic, people could "disassociate" from themselves and that doing so artistically represented a psychological shift in the way westerners saw themselves after ww2.

the attraction of serialism isn't just "muh dissonance," it's that you no longer compose "directly". you can say to yourself "now i'm going to alter the trajectory of my permutations" and the music will write itself. its the difference between a single-occupant aircraft/its pilot and a drone operator.
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what’s the proper bass notation for a dom7sus4 with the 7th in the bass? V72sus4?
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>>103360823
I never understood why they make you learn a language for a BA in music. Don’t translations exist?
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>>103360989
Not him, but for some works, yeah, though they can be paywalled or lose things in translation.
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>>103361036
I mean if you took the cash you would pay for a lang class you could prob pay for a lot of translations and I dont get how you would lose anything in translation if the manuscripts youre reading should be informative in nature.
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>>103360881
yeah waterloo was unfortunate but it was no compare to ww1 and the german march to france. like half the men on the planet died, twice
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>>103360873
here's some feedback
1) *most serious error* fugal answers are given in dominant key relations to the subject (that means E minor, not D minor). what you have written is actually not technically a fugue
2) avoid leaping from G# to C in a minor (diminished 4th), especially as you are just beginning
3) your countersubject is too leap-y. it sounds more like accompaniment than counterpoint
4) random 3rd voices are not idiomatic in fugal writing, fill your harmony out horizontally
5) the harmonic progression is unclear. maybe you're a cool modernist composer but your subject is rather baroque so i assumed it would be harmonized as such. it's much easier to write a fugue if you START with a harmonized subject (in a CLEAR progression such as i-iv-V or i-III-VI-iio-V) than try to horizontally compose and hope it works out.
just to go into more detail on this point - look at bar 6. beat one is D minor (it should be E minor, but ok let's pretend). beat two is what? F sus4? neither prepared nor resolved properly. beat 3 is D minor again but with an ugly bare 5th in the RH. beat 4 is Bb but with a random C? so overall the progression is i-IIIsus4-i6-VI.

this is to say that your basic counterpoint is pretty rough. suggest you look into Peter Schubert's "Baroque Counterpoint" for an excellent introduction to the subject
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>>103361128
Thanks so much for the feedback i really apreciate it. ill check that book!
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>>103361354
Practice
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does the 5 there imply i have to play all those notes going up and down with all the 5 fingers? Because ive been trying to play like that and is posible but very difficult and awkward. Specially on that second part when the thumb plays the F sharp. I think i would be much better to play it jumping the thumb
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>>103361520
>>103361486
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>>103361520
You have to stretch your fingers wide and rotate your wrist.
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>>103361520
the editor is trying to get you to move your arm. don't try to play all the sisxteenth notes to the full duration. look at the dynamics and articulation. i think he wants you to avoid sounding muddy here. make the forte crisp and relax a little on the legato.
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Which composer do you think comes closest to what Schubert would have written in his 30s and 40s?
>inb4 Schubert
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Clementi>Mozart
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>>103361988
probably schubert desu
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>>103360873
https://musescore.com/groups/counterpoint-and-fugue/sheetmusic
post here for feedback
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>>103361520
Is that goldberg 1?
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>>103361520
Yes jazz does that constantly, practice with a straight arm and straight down fingers, big circles, don't stretch too much but takethe opportunity. Try to keep a tight hand, make ur arm do the moving.
All chords possible u can practice like that
Also 10/1 will make those easy
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http://radio.publicdomainproject.org/

I found this through someone in here, it's great to find new music. They play good shit. Anyone want to listen along? And do you think we could put this in the OP as a /classical/ radio so anons can listen together?
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I only listen to recordings from BIS Records because they are audiophile-quality and the sound is more important than the performance.
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>>103362576
>Our archive includes over 70 000 78 rpm records, cylinders and discs of Edison and Pathé that we have to clean and digitize.
that Bruckner currently playing sounds super clean, is it really a public domain recording?
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>>103362347
yes
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>>103362475
>another 10/1 shill
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>>103362671
i was actually wondering the same thing... it could be that they got some other rights recently or they have extremely good digitization tech
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>>103362671
yes but not an older one
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Any recommendations for stuff similar to this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEgEZJCJrA
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>>103362671
could be modern royalty free recordings. you can see these often on the composition's imslp pages. not saying that is what happened as i didn't hear the bruckner in time, but still
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>the isnt a single public domain recording of pas de deux of the nutcracker suite
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>>103362911
>>103362671
>>103362798

get up and dance lads
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>>103362475
>Our archive includes over 70 000 78 rpm records, cylinders and discs of Edison and Pathé that we have to clean and digitize.
https://pool.publicdomainproject.org/audio/flac/columbia/columbia-lx1041-cax9809.flac
cool i didn't know about that recording
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>>103363006
whats that piece?
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>>103363087
a 1947 recording of beethoven hunt sonata played by arrau
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holy shit there's a bach concerto I've never listened to. BWV 1044. helll yess time to party
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>>103363307
based
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>>103360263
They weren't divinely inspired. Bach was a human and that music came from him and all the other humans that have inspired him. Stop giving credit to something that is nonexistent.
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>>103363496
You haven't listened to a Bach piece unless you can sing all the voices from beginning to end.
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>>103359815
i have noticed this with mozart and beethoven a lot as well but i didnt make notes on the pieces, but alone in mozarts piano concerto there are tons of recycled themes
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>>103363535
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>>103363568
And? Is there anything wrong with that?
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>>103361094
>american education
Napoleonic war was borderline world wide and the effects of the French Revolution led to revolts and political tension forever.
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>>103363574
You know I'm right but go off lulz
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>>103360823
really just depends on your tastes, if you're big into german chads who kept it german like mozart and schumann, go with german.
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10/1 stuff
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>>103363578
nope, i'm pointing out that it's normal... i actually enjoy hearing references to other pieces, makes me wonder if they are connected by meaning
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mza-xqk770k
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>>103344038
/mu/let here, it sounds ok, but there's really not much interesting harmonically going on. maybe put some more open chords to get out more of the range?

again, t. /mu/let
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>>103363676
are you the cringe troll who was telling a beginner to start with chopin's 10/1 etude when even he only allowed his most advanced students to play it???

i'm guessing you're an american with fast food mentality. one is not ready for 10/1 without at least 7 years of playing beginner and intermediate pieces.
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Why did no one tell me Leonard Bernstein was a f@g
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>>103363641
No, I think you're a idiot for bringing up your provincial antagonism towards religion for no reason.
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>>103363749
>m guessing you're an american with fast food mentality
RENT FREE
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>>103363749
Yes, I'd love it if chopin was around to teach me but oh wait he is he wrote 24 pieces of technical studies just so people could know exactly how he really moved his arm
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>>103342525
So beautiful
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>>103363676
It worked nice, i can get better res/durations combinations later
that's 12 CG, do this for all chords both directions
Do the same for 45, then combine and permutate them, work their connections as glissandos to get performance tempo
More on fingers later
These rotations are due to how the thumb leaps octaves
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>>103363749
>You shall benefit from this Etude. If you learn it according to my instructions it will expand your hand and enable you to perform arpeggios like strokes of the [violin] bow. Unfortunately, instead of teaching, it frequently un-teaches everything.
-Chopin on 10/1

There's no way for it to "un-teach" anything if you don't know anything in the first place, right?
Checkmate.
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>>103363749
Spending 1 or 2+ years on a single etude (which is what would be required for a beginner) doesn't sound like a "fast food" investment to me.
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>>103363749
This movement isn't just for the etude. The first one is used anytime you change directions on the keyboard. The second is the order for this particular chord shape, which is about as long as you can get in a whole rotation, everything else is a piece of this move or a combination of its elements
It completely sharpened my scales forever
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>>103363926
>spending 1-2 years on an etude and at the end of those two years you still can't play a simple Bach Chorale.

>>103363909
Unlearning is a major part of learning.
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>>103364223
10/1 helped me understand how to play scales with 1-5 fingering.
You just adapt the same wrist movement, but modify the distance between the fingers.
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>>103364304
Chopin didn't say "unlearning", he said "unteaching".
Teaching and learning are very different things, as are un-teaching and un-learning.
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>>103364304
>spending 1-2 years on an etude and at the end of those two years you still can't play a simple Bach Chorale.
I didn't say you play the etude exclusively for those 2 years.
Bach is still necessary.
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>>103364326
troll.
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>>103363749
>7 years
Yeah, if you're a talentlet who doesn't practice.
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>>103364351
(Un)learning is a natural, organic process that occurs as you build skill and experience, and the depth of your understanding increases.
What you unlearn is superficial models that are no longer sufficient.
(Un)teaching is a controlled, guided and as such inherently artificial process (which is not inherently bad), and when you unteach something, it means something was originally taught incorrectly in the first place.
So unteaching is not a necessary part of teaching at all, unless there were mistakes in the teaching.
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>>103360986
V652 or maybe just V52.
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>>103342525
Thoughts on Zelenka?
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>>103342525
Are Bach/Zelenka/other great Baroque and Classical composers greater than Jacob Collier? I always hear him being called the musical genius of the 21st century but I don't know if he could stand against the old masters.
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>>103364980
I wanna play with Jacobs cute bum.
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>>103364980
He's only just recently begun finding his own independent style with pieces like "Home is", before that it was all arrangements/transcriptions and more-or-less conventional bluesy pop stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPY0uKSpfY8
"Home is" sounds inspired by Ligeti's Lux Aeterna, just with microtonal tweaking for subtle color/timbre control.

At this point I'm not sure he stands up against Ligeti, let alone Handel/Haydn, but it's still very early to tell, since he's only just starting out on forging his own musical language.

>>103365002
He'd probably let you.
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i was sitting here listening to a really chill piece: Carl Nielsen, Paraphrase on 'Nearer, my god, to thee' and then got completely spooked :( it's dark here and i literally got anxiety from this i had to turn it off wtf
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>>103364980
Jacob Collier is not a musician
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>>103365402
There's been times when I've been literally shivering with tears falling down my face
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>>103365002
He's probably straight.
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>>103365464
yeah but how can you say that with certainty?
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>>103366130
>probably
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>>103366462
Seeing as he's never talked about it in public AFAIK, we don't know for sure.
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>>103363535
Based
>>103363574
Cringe
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>>103369070
>>103367540
based
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Opera destroyed the West.
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>>103369152
how
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>>103359673
What is impinged?
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>>103360823
If you're more into Renaissance go with Italian, if you prefer everything after go with German. And considering the words tended to be more original later on, I'd suggest German.
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>>103369152
why? she's just a black lady that interviewed ppl
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>>103361988
Schubert was inspired and whipped on by his closeness to death, before then he was skilled but not enough to be remembered as one of the "greats" before 29. So he probably wrote a lot that he would have written later on anyway.

But maybe a bit of Liszt?
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>>103369152
No, Italian and French opera destroyed the Renaissance voice, thereby destroying the West.
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guys i want to start learning the piano and i want to play only baroque pieces. pls recommend give me a syllabus of novice, medium, and advanced pieces
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Hey guys I made three Spotify playlists that together have all the music Beethoven wrote for solo piano. It's a sonata playlist, a variations playlist, and a miscellaneous playlist. It's in chronological order of composition (except for some early sonatas he published late in his career, where I respected his numbering order). So in case anyone wants to explore all solo piano Beethoven here you go
>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4XAznO33nZ8AjIojuhAyNR?si=DCT7JY3OTvmlUUFFNOVjtA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5BlRZQwFrG0QgYtpzpbb1H?si=XmYh8Y9vS06ufNPp6SMrEQ&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
>https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5sXV304ZRMohsBYmfxFzjS?si=EXgyCyRBQ-qNu9HAMZ55XA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
I mostly picked performances by Schenck, Buchbinder, Jando, Gianluca Cascoli, some Brendel, and a few other random people whose performance I liked
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>>103370684
do you like lortie that much?
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>>103370761
Oh I wanted to pick a general recording for the sonatas for consistency, and had a "normie-frendly" playlist in mind, so no hiss boomercore. That is my favorite recording with good sound. I also considered Levit, Annie Fischer, Barenboim, Brendel, and Pollini.
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>>103370896
Though if you have some other suggestion that fits the criteria please do tell.
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music for zoomer girls but it's good
https://youtu.be/h3-rNMhIyuQ
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pic related
also maria grinberg recorded the piano sonatas
>Levit
why do you hate beethoven?
also i like David Bien-Pienaar recordings, if we are talking about contemporary pianists
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>>103371327
yeah, like, totally, bach is for like, zoomer girls lol
but he's still good lol
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>>103371327
zis guy izza got zier pianizt. how zu i git az gut?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvYQUIKjtZk
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>>103371612
No that one sucks and is for boomer women
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Have been renting a grand piano since jan but feel like I got a bad deal. I don’t think I want to continue renting after my time expires on it (beginning of june), but don’t know any other rental place that has a decent deal. What should I do?
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You know, there's a vast untapped potential to use Wagnerian leitmotifs in ones own composition/drama.

Strauss partially did it in his Tod und Verklarung.
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>>103372604
I can't answer your question but I'm curious, how much does it cost to rent a grand piano?
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>>103372751
It depends on a lot of things, try looking it up for your area.
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>>103361988
He was planning to go and study counterpoint with Simon Sechter before he died, who was regarded as a leader in the area. So we might have seen him use a lot more fugues in the same way that later Beethoven incorporated a lot of them into his work. I think Liszt isn't a bad comparison, although obviously without quite as much virtuosity since Schubert was a more introverted composer. It would have been interesting to see if later Schubert would have produced any concerti. I reckon he might have had one or two in him.
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Am I a pleb for not liking Prokofiev? I swear I’m trying
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>>103373482
what have you been listening to?
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>>103364773
Probably my favorite composer
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>>103373482
Yes
https://youtu.be/AZvCpeC6Aic
https://youtu.be/n1scluzlPz0
https://youtu.be/NhzWrZH3M28
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In the understanding great music lecture #4 he says what pythagoras discovered about harmony was "rediscovered" during the renaissance. By "rediscovered" does he mean that there were somehow record of pythagoras's findings or the same information was discovered again by someone else? If there were somehow records of pythagoras's findings what were they and how were they found?
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>>103374715
math and music relationship is a meme.
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my piano playing is bad because i have a shoulder impingement. :( thanks anon who talked about that earlier

fixing it is so painful omg
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Whenever I listen to classical music it all sounds the same to me, like assuming all of the instruments are the same I could be listening to one piece by one composer in one genre and then I could listen to another piece by a different composer in a different genre and like in my mind, the second piece could easily just follow on from the first in my mind
When I listen to solo pieces for instruments that becomes even worse, it all sounds the same to me unless for some reason a particular melody stands out to me
I think that a lot of my enjoyment of classical music involves me memorising a piece and then feeling good while listening to it, remembering it in my head as the piece goes on
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>>103375228
Listen more
Listen chronologically
Read into history
Learn music theory (counterpoint, harmony, forms)
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>>103375228
a major part of music enjoyment comes from recognizing stuff you heard before.
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>>103375332
I tried listening a lot in the past and yeah I did listen chronologically
Listened to a lot of baroque music, mostly bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3UodTHr1Cc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9dqyJL4ko
I like some of these but it's mostly because I remembered them for some reason, others I didn't remember because i was bored
Also I think music theory is too hard for me to learn
>>103375368
Well my problem is that I don't remember 99% of music because it sounds like noise to me
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>>103375486
thats because you need the general classical music patterns in your head first.
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>>103375228
>>103375486
that's weird dude
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>>103375486
>I don't remember 99% of music because it sounds like noise to me

You may have a mild form of amusia
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>>103375546
Uh well I did a tone-deafness test and I scored better than 85% of people who've done it so I doubt it
>>103375517
I'm just whining
>>103375504
Seems like a big commitment
Meanwhile there's people who don't do any listening or theory training who can listening to Mozart or Beethoven and enjoy it while I hate both of those and find them to be boring noise
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>>103375610
> I scored better than 85% of people who've done it so I doubt it
I am talking about something like musical anhedonia, I guess.
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>>103361520
Much easier to just play that 5-3-2-1-2-1-2-3-5, I don't see any musical reason to play the F# with your thumb
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>>103362475
Can you fuck off with your >muh 10/1 already
It's an advanced piece that a beginning or intermediate player has no reason to study
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>>103375706
cope. There are no downsides to having a beginner practice 10/1 at slow tempo.
Next thread will be a 10/1 edition, you can be sure of it.
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>>103375228
Listen more. It didn't click for me either at first.
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>>103375706
Nothing wrong with an intermediate player studying this. It will be a grind though and you have to be ready for that.
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>>103350917
petzold is the only correct answer
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>>103375782
for me everything clicked at first except Brahms and other romantics of that sort. every Dvorak piece tends to immediately click though. tchaikovskys ballets were instant to but I listened to his symphonies and piano concerto once and that was like brahms, but I should give them another listen some time soon
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any1 have recs for major works for piano 10-20 minutes in length, i’d like something neo romantic, like this but harder
>Janacek
https://youtu.be/9m5oVNFlKnc
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>>103374566
wrong concerto
https://youtu.be/fJt9f5jqXic
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Can someone explain what makes Bach's counterpoint so special? Without being vague
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>>103377491
>implying that there's a wrong Prokofiev concerto
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im a total brainlet when it comes to chords and roman numerals and stuff. Whats a good way of understanding all of that?
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>>103377984
the old meme is schoenberg harmony exercises
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>>103377512
https://youtu.be/pdnH13V6mBQ
https://youtu.be/AHjcuPEU6m4
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>>103377984
Correct answer would be to read a book, but here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/c/SethMonahan/videos
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>>103378283
I mean, what separates his counterpoint from other composers' counterpoint?
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>>103378458
the impression i got was that he uses suspensions and hidden dissonances in a way that’s obscured and the listener gets this endless relistenability
someone deleted their invention analysis videos that did a good job of showing that
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>>103370684
these are all historically informed performances on a period instrument, but are excellent
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLy5IRCYvmbSz9YCZsTCFuLjGcxFmd0qyY



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