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Telemann Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYXn7TBkLJE

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

Previous:>>103285422
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First for Prokofiev
https://youtu.be/AZvCpeC6Aic
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Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lALzRZsuCwU&ab_channel=RayenRay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imLWWHucpU8
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post waltzes
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>>103315687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhAZWz6RBD8
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what are some tricks to memorize beter a piece?
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>>103315269
Why is classical music so white y'all?
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>>103315950
Is it?
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>>103315900
eat better food, get your heart rate up daily
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>>103315950
Seems to be more of an Asian thing nowadays
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>>103315900
learn music theory
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>>103315269
Contrary to popular belief, metal music is actually highly technical in composition, and very heavily influenced by classical music.
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>>103315950
To be less white is to:
- be less oppressive
- be less arrogant
- be less certain
- be less defensive
- be less ignorant
- be more humble
- listen
- believe
- break with apathy
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>>103316092
Maybe you should go analyze some metal then and post your findings.
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>>103315269
how did reddit do?

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4bAquhPmrdqGpfHWLwhloh
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>>103315950
Elaborate
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>>103316156
surprisingly not as bad as I expected
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>>103315950
Because it originate from Europe
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>>103315998
i drink a lot of coffee does that count as getting your heart rate up?
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To the anon who posted about beginners learning Chopin etudes last thread, what do you think about the Microkosmos?
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>>103315269
pic looks like Fripp when small
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Arnold Schoenberg and Thelonious Monk play table tennis. John Cage keeps score.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NZPzGl-b51c
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>>103316092
just 15 minutes ago i was thinking about how much i hate when people say this. thanks anon
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>>103316092
Bad bait
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>>103316092
Are there any examples of fugues in metal? I know there’s lots of counterpoint but I mean fugues specifically.
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>>103317130
no
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>>103317130
There are some in prog-rock
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>>103317130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAq817mTb50&ab_channel=DarkTr4vls
um actually yes
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J.C. Barch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtWD5ebuwJU&ab_channel=PauloNascimento
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i want to play the polonaise heroica

how do i go about learning it, im a noob
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>>103317295
one electric guitar in an orchestra playing one part of a very classical-sounding fugue does not make it metal.
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>>103317329
that's a big flute
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Actually thinking about it are there any examples of classical forms used in popular/contemporary music? I feel like some of Yes’ longer pieces have similarities to sonata form but can’t think of anything else.
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>>103317420
For you
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>>103317502
there's gotta be some songs using loose variations on rondo form (probably not deliberately)
can't think of any specific tunes at the moment. but I feel like it exists somehwere, I haven't listened to much non-classical music for a while though.
I know one thing that's common in a lot of metal is to do a little ABA thing and then move on to another section which may be ABA or some other form, and the end with an outro never recapping the first section. sort of like a scherzo and trio except the scherzo is never repeated after the trio.

but yeah I think pop artists should experiment a lot more with form.
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>>103317391
Get lessons, play a lot of easier pieces first, then go for it when you've had a few years of practice. It's pretty difficult.
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>>103316184
All of the famous composers are white? Where is some black representation?
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>>103317634
I’ve heard an argument that the traditional pop form (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) is a type of heavily condensed sonata form with an exposition repeat and usually no first theme recapitulation. I think it’s a stretch though.
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>>103317659
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>>103317659
Why would you want famous black composers?
The idea of a singular individual "composer", who is supposed to get all the fame and recognition for a piece of music, is a white phenomenon in and of itself.
It's a tyrannical and patriarchal idea.
Music is supposed to be created collectively, through a gradual process of communal effort filtered through shared cultural and historical experience.
Compositions and music should develop organically and there shouldn't be just one "composer" who artificially "constructs" a piece from the ground up egotistically and plays God.
That is a very anti-black ideology.
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>>103317761
Beyond the meaningless argument that's going to break out, is there any good classical works that were written in a communal effort? I'd like to hear that.
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>>103317761
very effective bait, 8/10
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>>103317761
What makes this patriarchal?
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>>103317659
Beethoven was black but whites aren't ready to accept that yet.
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>>103317788
I think there's a requiem for Rossini written by a bunch of composers
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Best recording of the Diabellis?
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>>103317761
Damn what you're saying is whites > blacks then
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>>103317659
They already have representation because black people are human and so are the famous composers. Race is a social construct that has no scientific basis.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHdX021Mmk&t=286s&ab_channel=zauber620
What if this was "Prelude and Fugue in D minor for Choir + Orchestra" and Mozart wrote the well-tempered choir and orchestra with 24 preludes and fugues
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>>103317966
How so?
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>>103318252
then it would be the greatest book ever made
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>>103318252
the kyrie fugue begins without pause after the introitus so that works also
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>>103317788
Les six collaborated on a few occasions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Six#Collaborations
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>>103318415
Everything you described about whites is based and then you said it's all inherently anti-black, so whites>blacks
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What would arthur rubenstein have thought of this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXOB_kW300
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Here, this guy is black and an excellent composer
pop star hipsters rip him off constantly
https://youtu.be/QxtLoItArrc
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Am I missing something? Why is this Orlando Furioso
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX3q6xocTCU
different to
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnht2vDkEU
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUrNpUPdi8E
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If I have like virtuoso sound painting tier audition material but everything else about me is repugnant, will they take me? Or was I stupid for thinking talent / skill is the primary factor for acceptance to a Good music school and not grades/whatever
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I've seen the Ring, Tristan, Parsifal and just watched Tannhauser for the first time. Tannhauser is weird, the music is the easiest to follow but I barely understand the plot. Its been the opposite case in all the other Wagner operas I've seen. Is the plot supposed to be kind of abstract or do I need to read a synopsis and watch it again?
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>>103319127
one gay thing in opera is when musicologists figure out that the composer revised an opera and multiple versions were performed and then influence people to perform the different versions instead of having a 'definitive' one. I'm not sure if that's the case here as I know nothing about Vivaldi.
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>>103319218
Who knows? Are you as good as you think you are?
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>>103318742
>Everything you described about whites is based
conjecture
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>>103319225
I'd still take that over some hack """""reimagining""""" them in a modern setting
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>>103317659
>black representation
Dude classical is dying, if any black person wanted to be a composer they would have no problem getting all the exposure and recognition they could ever want. Last I checked all public schools teach music appreciation and teach you the basics of playing the recorder and piano, and, again, if you are black and wanting to do this every conservatory in the world would be tripping over themselves to recruit you.

And besides, theres an entire pantheon if jazz greats that's 95+% black. No matter what you compose, in America you'd probably get labeled a jazz person no matter what your actual style is in order to please white liberals and the black PMC grifter class.
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>>103319318
Truth
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>>103319404
true
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>>103319225
wait?! is this why its different? one is a recomposition and the other is an oc
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_furioso_(Vivaldi,_1714)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_furioso_(Vivaldi)
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>visiting uncle frankly admits that he knows jack shit about music, let alone classical
>correctly identifies Bach as the author of a piece I played and praises the pure soul it exhibits
Bachfags win again
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>>103319747
i was chatting with my friend a while back and his newborn started howling like a baby and i said play the chaconne and he did and the baby instantly stfu
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>>103319747
which piece was it anon?
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>>103319802
Cello Suite in C major BWV 1009
>>103319799
Based
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>>103319285
well i have all the time in the world to get good but my grades will always be terrible
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>>103317951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRFdwZzKccg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwmfdHS9ac
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are the Bach cello suites one of those pieces where there are so many good recordings you can just pick any and you will be fine?
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>>103321006
Daniel Shafran is peak Bach
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>>103321006
Best to listen to Casals first though since he was the person who “discovered” the bach suites in a musical light.
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>>103321087
sweet thanks for the rec I'm downloading his recordings of the cello suites and a bach cello sonata and this
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Schubert/Newbould 8th symphony, completion of the Scherzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8s1YOkbEY
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Saint-Saens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPkQMTyJY2I
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>>103319221
What didn’t you get? Maybe you just watched a bad production. It’s fairly simple:
>T abandons his people to go shag Venus
>he decides it’s not for him so goes back
>they welcome him back
>during a song contest T reveals he shagged Venus
>everyone is shocked and tells him to go repent to the pope
>the pope tells him he’s beyond saving
>he returns and forsakes god
>he then sees Elizabeth has died from grief and his love redeems him
Part of the issue is that IMO Tann isn’t a particularly well-written character. His motivations and ideals are seldom clear and he seems to act and talk less as a free-thinking person and more as a narrative tool. He’s extremely inconsistent and yet we never really see any of the conflict within him, only the final result which comes down to ‘I wanna shag Venus’ or ‘I love Elizabeth’.
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>>103319799
I’ve decided if I ever have a kid, the first music it’s ever going to hear is the Goldbergs
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>>103321006
Yeah, pretty much. Just for the love of god don't listen to Yo-Yo Ma
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this is actually terrible
>cortot chopin ballade 1
https://youtu.be/_9GBjQyvtAM
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>>103322341
here this one is better
https://youtu.be/Ce8p0VcTbuA
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>>103316156
>Einaudi
>Glass
>Lang Lang
>Max Richter
>10 Exciting versions of Pachelbel's "Canon in D"
>Yo-yo Me-Me
>The Ultimate most relaxing Debussy in the Universe
>Classical Chillout
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>>103322341
pleb
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>>103322633
nothing personnel, kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrO1Z71kIaI
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Schlopin
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Why tf doesn't the rest of /mu/ have good taste like us bros
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Copin
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who here has listened to Mozart symphonies 31-38? any recording recommendations?
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Harp arabesque
https://youtu.be/6I6XMyfXd34
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>>103323042
Schuricht
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>>103322971
I don't see an /ambient/ general anywhere, so I guess this is it.
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Max Reger is quite impressive. What's your favorite piece by him ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Z40SJg4GA
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>>103323662
I've only ever listened to the variations
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>>103323693
which variations ?
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>>103323662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRkXNrW35W8
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>>103323662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgxRNt4c0A
the apotheosis of swamp music
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>>103323755
on a theme by bach of course
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>>103323764
oh wait you said Reger.
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>>103323662
https://youtu.be/tflcg4yymr4
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>>103316309
>beginners learning Chopin etudes last
WHO SAID THAT???
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Brahms/Schönberg
https://youtu.be/NywzRoKEl10
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>>103323983
>>beginners learning Chopin etudes last
read one more word
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>>103323764
not bad, I like it
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Did your teacher ever break you by expecting you to play a piece way above your level? I've been playing for one and a half years and since the last 3 months or so I've been practicing Pathetique mvt. 1, moving forward at snail pace. It's not even like she's a bad teacher, she's a concert pianist and helped me improve a lot, but I feel like she thinks I'm much more talented than I really am. She probably wants to push me to my absolute limit because I'm one of her favorite students, always practicing and loving classical music and all, but I don't know if that's very productive. I'm certainely starting to lose my passion, I used to feel a lot when playing piano, but this piece is so far above my level (atleast everything past page 1) I only focus on the technical aspect. It doesn't even feel like I'm playing piano anymore, just pressing the same keys over and over and over until I got the technique down. At first I was happy when she said I'm talented and that I'm one of her best students (as in the fast progress I'm making), but those high expectations are starting to crush me.
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>>103324174
> It doesn't even feel like I'm playing piano anymore, just pressing the same keys over and over and over until I got the technique down.

This is the curse of not playing Chopin etudes instead.
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>>103324218
If Pathetique mvt. 1 is fucking me over, Chopin etudes will be just as bad. It took me like 3 months to get the first 3 pages down
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>>103322639
>be me
>classical gigachad
>see glass
>louis glass?
>oh it's just some nobody "philip"
>fuck that
>sinfonia svastica no. 5 to cope with the fact there is more than one composer with the last name "glass"
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>>103324025
>>beginners learning Chopin etudes
WHO SAID THAT???!?!?!?!

literally the worst piano advice possible
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>>103324174
nah i broke myself by trying to learn clair de lune at age 11. got over it though, just took me half a decade of playing garry's mod and making shitty darkrp servers for a first job
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>>103324174
Are you the anon thats been posting about this for months? Just get a different teacher or something
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>>103324245
pathetique mvt 1 should take like at most 2 weeks to master. It's an advanced piece. you are not ready at all. go learn intermediate pieces like


Bach - Invention No. 1
Bach - Invention No. 2
Samuel Maykapar - Pedal Prelude in E minor, op 38
Liszt - Consolation No. 3
Myroslav Skoryk - Melody in A minor
Milan Dvorak - Jazz Etude No. 9
Pachabel - Canon in D
Scarlatti - Sonata in E minor K198
Haydn - Sonata in G Major op 55 no 1
Kahlau - Sonatina in G Major Hob. XVI:8
Chopin- Polonaise in G minor op. posth.
Chopin Waltz in A Minor, op. posth
Eric Thiman - Flood-time
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>>103324593
>kuhlau
fucking finally. it's taken me forever to spot kuhlau on here. you'd think it'd be standard.
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>>103324344
Name one way in which practicing op 10/1 at slow tempo would be bad for a beginner.
I'm waiting.
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>>103324593
>Haydn - Sonata in G Major op 55 no 1
>Kahlau - Sonatina in G Major Hob. XVI:8
oops i mixed these up

should be

Kahlau - Sonatina in G Major op 55 no 1
Haydn - Sonata in G Major Hob. XVI:8
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>>103324684
The same reason why you don't teach Shakespeare to an ESL student
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>>103324761
That's a completely retarded nonsensical analogy and you didn't actually name a way.
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>>103324174
Just tell her you don't want to play it anymore. Where's the problem?
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>>103324808
It's actually complete valid. Maybe you're just stupid.
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>>103324684
Not him, but op. 10/1 only trains the right hand. I wouldn't recommend this for a beginner.
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>>103324344
What do you recommend a beginner learn?
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>>103324174
not a pianist but had to take piano courses in music school
after the first year we had to play part of a small haydn sonata
literally couldn't do it lmao
it was 10x harder than what we had played all year and most of us didn't practice either, because piano wasn't our main
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>>103324969
you can mirror it noob
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Is BWV 807 - Prelude (2nd english suite) a good intermediate piece?
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>>103324969
You can also practice other pieces.
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the thing about the etudes is you cannot play them at all if you’re doing them wrong. a lot of other music, u can stumble through with bad technique. not the etudes, u won’t get anything even remotely acceptable or pain free if you do them wrong. theres no middle ground, and once you get it, they just keep getting deeper
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>>103324953
I'll humor you and give you one reason (out of several) why it's not valid, and then this conversation will probably end.
Shakespeare is not "more advanced" English than other examples of English text, the way musical compositions can "more technically demanding" than others.
Shakespeare is written in an obsolete and outmoded kind of English which is no longer used or readily comprehended by the average native English speaker, so it would make no sense to teach an ESL student Shakespeare if your goal is to teach them to be proficient in modern English.

This is besides the fact that comparing learning an instrument to learning a language is completely invalid, because the former is in large part a physical skill and the latter is mostly an intellectual one.
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>>103321583
for me its wachet auf bwv645/140.4
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>>103325230
>the thing about the etudes is you cannot play them at all if you’re doing them wrong.
> a lot of other music, u can stumble through with bad technique.

sounds like a good argument in favor of the etudes imo
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Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin
Vladimir Jurowski, conductor
Leif Ove Andsnes, piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvIK2jxpeSo
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>>103325230
i learned a lot of music that i wasn’t in the end satisfied with what i was able to make with the notes and it felt like a waste of time. i spent 18 months on 25/1 and 10/1 and now everything is laughably easy. it’s almost mean how they teach, most people play from birth and have no concept what the motions are, they think u must play forever all this repertoire, it’s what they did, that u can’t execute, i guess to learn musical playing before turning to serious technical studies.
it’s the method for children. an adult is
capable of studying the etudes and understanding the movements and once they’ve done that it’s just a matter of strengthening the body and imagination. obviously executing it well is gonna take years, but it was always going to take years, and you’re nothing until you can do them, so what are you working on instead of the etudes? nothing you’ll be satisfied with in the end, there will be endless flubs with terrible tone because the noob randomly flails his arms being told to keep them light with a flexible wrist and to imagine the singing tone as if there wasn’t a very precise and rehearsed sequence of movements occurring that can be isolated and practiced to perfection. it’s useless. it’s like trying for even scales by thinking about even scales instead of just calmly executing a well practiced 6 or 15 note slur
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>Courtesy accidentals or naturals (in parentheses) may be used to clarify ambiguities but are kept to a minimum
But what does it mean when a natural in parentheses () is in the same measure after a sharp or flat?
I've seen this in some Bach and Scarlatti pieces.
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>>103325896
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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>>103325969
could be crossover of parts/voices, perhaps?
Same note is coincidentally played by a different voice?
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>>103325896
Chopin's etudes are not for beginners and neither for intermediate players. They are not meant to build technique (in the meaning of: from scratch) - they actually already require a serious amount of technique on which they are meant to build up.
Chopin only let his most advanced and best students play them.
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>>103325855
Leif Ove AndSNEED
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>>103327121
kek
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What was the first music you ever heard?

For me it was Brahms.
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>>103327537
Destiny's Chilid Say My Name
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Mahler was a Bachfag...

https://archive.is/jbfqL

This is so embarrassing. If only he could see how much better than Bach he was.
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Mendelssohn improved the Chaccone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8HL0BydFI
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>>103327537
Just had a baby born this weekend. I was debating between Mozart sonatas or the WTC. Ended up going with the WTC. I play him one prelude and fugue pair a few times a day
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>>103327734
based choice, good parent
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>>103327626
a mozartfag and schubertfag as well
truly immaculate taste
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>>103327682
Nah
https://youtu.be/NPZhe8gMIh8
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>>103327862
https://youtu.be/fiSuj5VCADU
That one is us blocked
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>>103327682
This is called profanation.
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>>103327537
I remember hearing Beethoven's 5th on the radio and in Fantasia 2000 when I was 5ish.
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Does anyone have Music Theory PDFs that aren't from the sticky?
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>>103327537
>>103327002
fuck Brahms!
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>>103327537
Dont remember, first classical piece i listened to was Beethovens 5th from fantasia shortly followed by stravinsky’s right of spring also from fantasia.
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>>103317735
extremely unimaginative and boring. a discount version of a discount version of mozart
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>Despite the fact his wife was sitting by his side, legend has it that Mahler breathed his last after shouting the name of fellow composer Mozart.

I've not been able to get this out of my mind after an anon posted it a few days ago. Imagine if Ice Cube's dying words were "Wu-Tang" or something. I just can't get over how absurd it is, its like an ">open your window, shout LIQUIIIDDDD!, post results" style shitpost
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how can anyone not adore this?
Mozart at his most charming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-wbyyI-380&t=1354s
W.A. Mozart - Piano Concerto No.9 in E flat Major K. 271, "Jeunehomme"
Mitsuko Uchida - Piano
Jeffrey Tate - Conductor
Mozarteum Orchester Salzburg

>>103327537
Chopin on the local public classical radio station late at night, couldn't tell you which piece

>>103328470
Alma was a stupid adulteress whore
status = dabbed on
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>>103328139
what do you mean?
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>>103328535
i'm not a child. i don't find pleasure in mozart.
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>>103328535
Alma also fucked up a ton of his editions and even edited scores the wrong way.

>>103328546
Music Theory books that are on PDFs.
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>>103328572
do you not like the music theory books in the sticky for some reason? why would you need more?
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>i'm not a child. i don't find pleasure in mozart.
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>>103328594
I can't download the ones on the archive and most of the ones in the mega folder are either talking about composers or I have already downloaded them
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>>103328610
beethoven is mozart for adults
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Muh BRAHMS
https://youtu.be/y4YqWXmF9Dg
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Listen to this for good vibes and positive energy

https://youtu.be/d2AusmxOq5k
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>>103328594
i highly recommend this book. go on your piano and finish going through this book. take your time.

http://libgen.li/ads.php?md5=a08ebffa96bd212db79f75f5e5d21e67
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>>103328754
thanks
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Did anyone else watch this when they were a kid?
https://youtu.be/dihJ1w48Jh0
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>>103328731
Thank you
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Broscience theory time - the minds of all children and the minds of adults who still have imaginations are capable of spontaneously generating fantastic original music in the 18th century Viennese classical style, and always have been. Mozart had the extremely rare ability of being able to transcribe this music from his head to his pen without the difficulties normies get from being too slow and bumbling with their pen or their instrument to bring out exactly what they're hearing in their mind. Furthermore, he happened to have this skill at the exact time and place that this music happened to be culturally relevant
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Do you guys take notes somewhere while reading?
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>>103329207
this is /mu/ not /lit/, wrong tab.
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>>103329315
I meant reading about music.
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>>103328970
all classical musicians had the ability to do that due to their training.
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>>103328970
i like your hypothesis, but the fact is only 0.1% of every single person I have met in my life has the ability, or even the inclination to write a melody. most don't see the need or think it is even something possibly worth doing.
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>>103328970
Its very possible however that style has been explored very thoroughly by many great composers. For someone with the ability you said they probably wouldn’t want to spend the rest of their lives “competing” against such greats when they could write in their own “original style”.
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>>103329656
I cant be arsed to look up primary sources but I know I've read quotes from his contemporaries saying it was freaky how he was able to quickly transcribe an entire piece of music from start to finish with no mistakes. Mozart himself said something to the effect of 'I compose like cows piss', like it just came out of him on command.

>>103329790
Thats why I called it broscience. I think the classical style is an innate thing thats existed at least as long as children have been exposed to musical instruments (so they have the sound of, say, a piano in their ears) and that they're brains effortless generate it even if they arent "musical". I didnt have any interest in music at all til I was a teenager and didn't ever hear classical outside of looney tunes but I used to spontaneously hear that style of music in my head all the time. Even now when I'm in a lucid state I hear original, good, classical music in my head but I'm not fast enough to get it out via an instrument or paper before it dissipates from my mind. I feel like Mozart must have always been generating music in his head like I did when I was a kid but with the key difference of being fluent enough in transcription and improvisation that he could actually extract those ideas from his mind.
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>>103327997
No bullshit, the Fantasia 2000 version of Rhapsody in Blue is still the best version to me. I've listened to half a dozen other versions and none of them come close.
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>>103321006
Fournier is best.
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>>103329966
why wouldn’t they compose in the tradition to fly among friends?
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>>103330089
Based
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Hello /classical/, quick question, is there any reason at all why the suggested fingering for this passage starts with 4? I dunno why you wouldn't start it with your pinky seeing as though it wants you to change your hand position to play the second G with your pinky anyway.

It doesn't really matter too much which way I play it but I'm just interested, is there a logical reason to play the theme starting on 4?

Piece is the first invention in C Major in Bach's 2 part inventions btw
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>>103331128
Probably because you should have landed there on a 4 naturally based on where your hand was at the end of the previous measure.
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>>103331190
The note before it is a low D a 4th below the G and there's a rest in between them anyway but yeah maybe that's the intentienton
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I just realized I've never listened to Schumann outside the Kinderszenen piece

Pls recommend me accessible Schumann pieces.
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>>103331128
5432 is harder than 4321
54 is half the hand 123 is the other half the hand, arg about 23 being the middle and the thumbarm it’s own thing but yeah it’s also a phrasing thing you’d want the first note there softer i think maybe that line has a small crescendo and it’s generally easier to make a soft sound with the 4th finger than with the fifth, also the movement is smaller for such a short phrase
i’d use 4 there for sure too, also make it easier to use the thumb at the top of the line, the alternate would be 5321
using the pinky twice there for a subject and then an accompaniment would maybe sound too flat, kinda depends tho
but experiment and see how they feel and sound different
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>>103331269
these are nice
https://youtu.be/cuABwwXMVAY
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>>103331287
Thanks for the helpful response, I think you're right, the fourth finger, being a bit stronger than the 5th, has a bit more control over the timbre of the note than the 5th and does sound a little smoother, if only slightly.
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>>103331393
I'm also not playing this very fast yet so it'll probably be more noticeable when I play it at speed
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>>103331393
I wish my 4th was as strong as my pinky tell me your secrets
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>>103331443
I learnt the C Major Fugue from the well tempered clavier, it was a mission to finish and a bit outside my ability range (I can play it through but it'll be a while before I can make it "sing"). Anyway, my fingers got pretty buff in the process. Someone recommended me the 2 and 3 part inventions to me so gonna play them for a bit before going back to WTC coz it's a bit nuts for me. But yeah playing a fugue with 4 voices puts your fingers to work lol
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>>103315687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPhnDLv_oAs
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schubert finally clicked bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CIvR0NsGw
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>>103327537
My mother played Mozart for me in the womb.
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>>103315687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QFAm30JFH8
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>>103331722
This is my favourite one

https://youtu.be/lncNcNtGkJY

Richter plays it so beautifully I wanna cry
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>>103327537
It was one of those music compilations that you were instructed to play against the womb. Likely the first tune I heard was either the glockenspiel tune or Papageno/ Papagena from the Magic Flute.
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>>103331731
>>103331782
Your parents don't sound that bad.
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Torelli > Corelli
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>>103331722
Listening to that opening I was expecting this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NecLh4YOT9M
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>>103331722
I FUCKING LOVE MUSIC AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>103331722
I love Schubert, I think the first movement of symphony 9 is the best symphonic movement ever, but for some reason the Unfinished never clicked with me ... it just doesn't seem to go anywhere
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>>103324889
Yeah, I think I'll tell her I wanna play intermediate pieces today. I don't like disappointing her, but her expectations are slightly insane. She actually wanted me to play Waldstein before but then told me I should play Pathetique mvt.1 when I said I wanna play something easier. She really wants me to play advanced pieces even though I'm not even good at intermediate.
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I've listened to Beethoven's 8th, I think I've listened to it, but I remember nothing from it.

I'm going to listen to it again, but is it unmemorable? You hardly hear anyone talk about it, yet Wagner considered "Beethoven's last four symphonies" all to be on the same level.
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>>103332244
That's kinda weird desu, always good to get your technique really solid with intermediate stuff before skitzing out too hard on soke harder stuff. Do some intermediate Bach or something. Also nice trip-dub-dubs
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>>103332349
>easy pieces make a good technique
elaborate
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>>103332219
Maybe because it's unfinished?
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>>103332281
I've listened to Beethoven's 8th probably dozens of times and I too cannot remember anything about it. If I heard it again I'd probably say "Oh yeah, THAT symphony."
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>>103332457
Intriguing.
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>>103332413
I just think people can benefit from playing pieces well within their ability range and focusing on playing them really excellently. Sometimes when a piece is on the very limit of your ability range you can play it but not very well because your technique isn't good enough. I think it's good to aim to play it very beautifully. If you're working so hard to hit the right notes that you can't play it with expression or finesse then it's probably a good idea to do some pieces that are a a bit easier so you can work on expression and timing and stuff without wigging out about the sheer difficulty of a piece.

Not saying people shouldn't play harder pieces but it's good to come back to pieces within your ability range so to focus on specific aspects of playing.
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Verdict on Albert Einstein's music? What should I listen to beyod Peer Gynt?
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>>103332281
8th is in my top 3, mostly because of the final movement. In my head, the moment where the music modulates to F# sharp minor and "explains" the C# is quite closely linked with the 9th symphony's outburst before the solo bass recitative, with the music feeling stuck and panicked in this distant key. Instead of the bass voice, it's the entry of the brass which smashes the piece back to F major and some sort of joyous order is restored.
In some ways, the symphony is Beethoven showing that he can still write in a more traditionally classical way but is doing so with a sense of humour (the second movement being either a metronome joke or a sending-up of Haydn, and the conclusion of the symphony being several "false" endings as Beethoven does the orchestral equivalent of hammering away F major chords on the piano so the audience knows they're home.
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>>103332548
Also any excuse to post some Scherchen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsIpbvwdE-0
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>>103332528
Piano Concerto, String Quartet, Holberg suite, Lyric Pieces, op.48 songs
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>>103332563
What do you like about Scherchen?
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>>103322639
Can't believe you didn't go for Yo Ma-Ma
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>>103332723
not him but that performance is great because of the speed, focus, and drive; while many other conductors who adhere to Beethoven's fast tempi lose themselves in nervousness, Scherchen sounds controlled despite the breakneck speed. the timpanist especially turns in a fantastic performance, i don't think anyone else quite nails Beethoven's liberation of the timpani like they do in that performance
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Is there a site like rateyourmusic.com that actually listens to classical?
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>>103332912
No and thank God there isn't because it would be swarmed by idiots voiding its purpose. Besides, rating music with points and scales is a sign of smoool brain and should be reserved to smoool brain genres like pop and rock and metal. Concert and classical music should be enjoyed and discussed, which is impossible if you don't discriminate participation and introduce grading with points.
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>>103332963
I mainly just want a site to find, categorize, and collect classical music all in one place, and to find works similar to those I like
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What string quartets are like Beethoven's late quartets?
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>>103332869
Thank you, I'll listen to it now and see if it's more memorable this time.
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>>103321607
Why not? Genuine question.
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>>103333391
They're popular and /classical/ is so contrarian even popular musicians from a niche genre are disliked
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>>103333134
None
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>>103332563
Do you know if there are any Scherchen recordings of Tannhauser? The "pulse of life" famous in the overture and throughout the work I think could really benefit from him.
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>>103333889
He didn't really record operas. There's a Rienzi with di Stefano singing the title role in Italian, then a Siegfried Idyll.
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>>103317788
Hexameron
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>>103334153
Kind of odd just to have recorded those two pieces.
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>>103279079
>you missed an important deadline because you thought it was "until today" rather than "until 12PM today" even though you've had all the material ready for days and wanted to give it a last check and a few days later you discover you're going to be out of a job, with scarce probabilities of finding another because mostly nobody hires people during this pandemic
music...
for t-this feel?
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>>103334868
https://www.fonoteca.ch/ourOffer/discographies/Scherchen.pdf
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>>103335022
I don't doubt you, but it's just odd. Quite interesting seeing what else he recorded, such as excerpts from Weber's operas.
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>>103315269
Any /x/ anons here?
Arno said he hates classical. Why is that?
How can a high IQ entity not appreciate it?
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>>103328652
The other way around
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>>103328970
The problem with your theory is that before the classical era people didn't hear this music in their heads but rather something like baroque minuets or, even earlier, some cantus firmi maybe.
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>>103330014
Most children's music is based on Viennese classical style. That's the only reason.
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>>103331128
I suppose it's to avoid jumping onto the pinky for greater accuracy.
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>>103331764
Ok, I'll be the one to take the bite and say that Richter is much too slow there. The balance of Schubert's late sonatas crucially depend on playing the first movements proper moderato.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2eksnY6IM
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Gustav Adolf Merkel : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToqTeF-M8vE
It sounds like Mendelssohn on steroids
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>>103331722
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5PiUruL2F8
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>>103331722
Good now go listen to his lieder until you actually click with Schubert.
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>>103335343
I like this version that you've posted too, but Richter's is still extra special for me, even if it is too slow. I guess it's kinda comparable to his C Major fugue from the wtc, even tho it's slo his touch (and timing) is just so perfect and delicate that it almost feels like it's in zero gravity or something and that time is some irrelevant, secondary concept.

https://youtu.be/Dkt75juxvxw

I couldn't find a video that was only the fugue and not the prelude but you've probably heard it anyway.
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>>103327537
my mom had a mozart for babies and studiying. I dont remember hearing it until i was like 5 when i actually hated it. Because i associated with being misserable doing my homework. The song that played mostly was eine kleine natch music

I wasnt until last year that i could remove that asociation from my mind and enjoy it as something different
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>>103335343
https://youtu.be/IAjv2GVkT0M?t=6290
this
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chopin etudes suck and barelly sound like music

you are better off learning some pieces by him
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recomend me some schubert to see why he is so good.
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>>103336012
???
Chopin's etudes are more musical than most etudes.
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>>103336134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEwzv83w0NA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOgwf4cW-uE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP8N_-8BZNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uTreDdk4-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6nXb6XTcTo
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>>103336134
String quintet slow movement
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>>103336012
you're supposed to improvise over them after you master the base form.

Here is an example of making the most of a chopin etude:
https://voca.ro/14naKZ9QwhBy
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>>103336134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bE5QCoxmM
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>>103336134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMPyjI4953g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoDHNBT66bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgpe6SIjCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJDBfOG7omk
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Best recording of Schuberts unfinished Symphony 8?
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>>103336494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGyvSz8Pfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smYdlmNBGE
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>>103336372
>>103336211
>>103336220
>>103336422
doesnt sound like anything special
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>>103336615
Your loss
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is debussy still considered classical music, even with all his differences from wagner? why?
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>>103336802
schoenberg still considered classical
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Would 3-4 hours of intense studying from the age of 19 to 40 make me able to compose decent /classical/ music?

This is how my schedule is set up right now and I'm trying to learn as much as possible within these subjects

>Go to sleep at 22
>Wake up at 7
>2 hours of Writing
>2 Hours of language studying
>2 Hours of drawing
>3-4 hours of Piano playing / classical studying
>2 hours of language studying
>Rest of night reading

>1 hour break maximum every day for reading the internet or eating dinner
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>>103336826
i see
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>>103336873
Anon, you should try less to fit everything into different times of day, and try more to space it out through the days of the week. As well as months.

You need to have a social and outward life as well.
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>>103337002
>You need to have a social and outward life as well.

no
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2cYswOiLmA

mozart jr was really ahead of his time.
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>>103336134
pick any of his popular chamber works at random, he's my favorite chamber composer
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Schumann > Schoenberg > Schubert
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>>103337318
schubert died young
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>>103337059
honestly better than a lot of other early romantic stuff
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>>103336873
How do you make a living though?
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>>103328566wow, what an intellectual you must be. alas, to have but one iota of your brilliance and taste. feel validated? now go jack off to some stockhausen records and leave the rest of us uncultured simpletons alone
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>>103337002
I'm social once a week when I take dancing classes and then when I have to do language study in group sessions with my teacher & other students

>>103337404
I dont really need to work, my family is well off, but right now I'm studying at last year of high school and then I dont know what I will do.
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>>103331782
the magic flute is a treasure, and your parents are unfathomably based
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>>103336826
no tf he isn't, unless you're using the normie definition of "classical" that encompasses all western-tradition non-pop music
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Mozart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4HwNNJ_7Rc
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>The courtship continued, not entirely smoothly. Surviving correspondence indicates that Mozart and Constanze briefly broke up in April 1782, over an episode involving jealousy (Constanze had permitted another young man to measure her calves in a parlor game

what a whore
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>>103337467
You shouldn't try to be an alien to other people, I'm sure there are some social activities or events that you enjoy, some friends you enjoy the company of. Do you meet with any of the people at those group sessions/classes outside of it?

Heaven has never been described without others.
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>>103337026
>no
Yes.
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Vladimir Ashkenazy is the greatest pianist thats lived the last 2 centuries
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>>103337577
when does classical music end then?
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>>103337577
That's how everyone here used the term faggot
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>>103337674
Classical in the narrower sense ends the latest with 1828, after the deaths of Beethoven and Schubert. Since both were transitory composers you would properly date it a few years earlier.
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This is really good bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RajAq0Yd-s4
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>>103338316
how do you call the classical music being produced today then?
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>>103338440
shit
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Do you believe composers were more likely to peak as young natural talents or as adults with developed enough intuitive and theoretical senses?
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>>103338440
Derivative
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>>103338518
if they ever peaked as young that's because they had someone old and well instructed behind them
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who did it better mozart piano sonata 11 movement ii or mozart piano sonata 7 movement i
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>>103333408
>/classical/
>contrarian
yesterday was the first time leevi madetoja was mentioned in /mu/. and it was me who mentioned him.
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>>103338440
I am not the poster from above, so I still call it classical.
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Pianotards, I'm learning Chopin watlz in a minor posth. How finger arpeggio???
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if i cant already play all beethoven sonatas, all chopin nocturnes. The entire goldberg variations, the Campanella, el contrabandista, etc etc. Just by watching Rosseau and piano roll videos on youtube then whats the incentive to learn to read sheet music and learn theory?
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>>103338518
Only composer i can think of that wrote their most groundbreaking/best works when they were young is Erik Satie.
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>>103339365
mozart kid>mozart adult
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>>103339377
Mozarts requiem is infinitely better than anything he wrote.
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>>103339316
i have the same question
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>>103339402
check his early works the requiem is good but some of this stuff is other league

https://youtu.be/FcP2xiMTUQc?list=PLUCFn3jpLiRyx-3WT9AvE8eakYxdAGNLk
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>>103339515
His early works are of course good Im just sayin his later stuff is much more realized and much more stylistically his own.
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>>103339402
"Even if he had only written the requiem and string quartets, Mozart would have become immortal" - Haydn
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what is this piece?
https://youtu.be/WXLdDsLmmiQ?list=PLcT8oMKyEsNPDg1ld2Z-kAodRpCA7eI2z&t=2299
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>>103339856
from the look of the singers and the fact taht I don't recognize the song I'm going to guess it's an aria from cosi fan tutti which I still need to listen to
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>>103340189
i though it was from the magic flute because that chapter is the last from that series, so this would be like one of his last works. But i dont remember hearing it in that opera
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>>103340298
same
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>>103337059
wow imagine your dads the greatest composer of all music in all time and he dies right after you’re born
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>>103339640
Based haydn
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>>103336142
???
chopin etudes are more musical than most music
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>>103336873
yes, but my experience doing a similar romantic study, with far more reading initially, don’t try to fit everything into one day, work for improvement over the month, focus on something for that week, and you have to pick a main focus and stick to it daily
you’ll find improvement comes in bursts, and often things need time to ferment like wine or dry like paint, and u can’t rush this, that’s when it’s best to set the thing down for a week or two and focus on something else
also, add oil painting, paint with bob ross, life changing desu, i look at everything in a new way
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>>103334916
https://youtu.be/yaaRk0c-780
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if this was notated would i be classical?

https://vocaroo.com/1lvLi7rOyiQU
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>>103337672
Ashkenazy was only good at playing lightweight shit like Chopin's waltzes and Brahms' Hungarian Dances.
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>>103340189
its in german so that cant be
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>>103341447
Please don't hurt the piano
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>>103341376
if your parents were connected aristocrats you would likely be married to the daughter of some duke complete
with dowry and lauded as the new “john cage meets schoenberg in a lisztian fury”
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HOLY SHIT MOZART

https://youtu.be/x2O5KG4uQu8?t=1314
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>>103341376
Now THIS is true contemporary classical

https://www.artairdem.com/
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>>103341882
contemporaty"art" literally cant live without a background story to sell it
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>>103341875
his woodwinds are really something special
https://youtu.be/hA89mE11k7c
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>>103341919
That’s just to help the listener understand the piece they’re listening to. Concern programs include back stories too, don’t they?
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>>103341919
contemporaty"art" literally cant live without money laundering
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>>103335532
share your favorites
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>>103332219
It's because the melodies are unorthodox, listen to if a few times and your brain will reorganize itself.
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