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Based on what?
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>>102805563
Reminder that Morrissey hates brown people because a cute Paki turned down his advances at the club.
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>>102805644
He doesnt hate brown people. He just doesnt want immigration to continue destroying his nation, which it undeniably has.
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>>102805644
You seem to be forgetting the fact that Morrissey dilated your brown dad's butthole
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>>102805563
>vegan
>based
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>>102805676
I SAW A BROWN PERSON TODAY, YUROP IZ IN RUINS!!1!
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>>102805764
are u ok with unrestricted illegal immigration?
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>>102805779
they cant, and wont answer this honestly, they'll either say yes, change the subject or call you racist
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>>102805779
>>102805810
I think we should let immigrants into the country and deport conservahicks and white nationalists to the inside of Morrissey's colon. See I can fearmonger speak too.
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>>102805779
>>102805810
Not him, but I'll share my perspective: this is a music board and you need to go back.
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>>102805840
BASED

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>>102805810
Cringe and samehick
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>>102805843
Cant we talk about both at once?
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>>102805779
Only female immigrants from South America and Eastern Europe
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>>102805810
yeah fuck people like that. Im not even white but i can understand why you lot dont want people who dont belong in your country who commit crime at much higher rates than normal. Im from india myself and many people from bangladesh, bhutan, myanmar, pakistan etc try to come and live here but why should that happen you know? Take educated immigrants with stem degrees but not otherwise
>>102805840
typical
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>>102805843
why dont you tell these cunts as well->>102805764
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>>102805875
Modi ki gaand chaato puppooooo
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>>102805840
It's not fear mongering to point out that unrestricted illegal immigration could be a problem
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>>102805926
>guys, I think Flint should have clean drinking water
>WHAT YOU WANT ACCESS TO UNLIMITED DRINKING WATER????
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>>102805931
based retard
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>>102805739
correct.
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>>102805779
lol why does every retard think it either needs to be unrestricted immigration or brown genocide? here's the truth: stop fucking up these countries with sanctions and war and you'll cut down immigration by 80%
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>>102806061
There's also the fact that immigration helps the economy in various ways. More workers means higher GDP, and their presence in the country increases demand for goods which increases jobs. Skilled immigrants who start businesses often hire natives for managerial roles because they understand the language and culture better.
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>>102806392
meant to reply to >>102806345
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>>102806345
>implying the people of america and europe are responsible for Obama and Bush's retardation
>>102806392
Automation also helps the economy, as do super low rates of taxation. Just because these things help the economy, doesn't mean we should embrace them, especially when it's at the expense of the native worker, and primarily helps large corporations.
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>>102806466
Retarded petit bougie trust fund kids are more than happy to go and kill brown people as well. Anyone who's in the US military and cries about immigration should get backhanded a few times.
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>>102806466
How are more managerial job opportunities for natives a bad thing?
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>>102806345
what fucking war you idiot? At present there is only tensions between china and those guys aren't even immigrating here. Its mostly the countries to the east like bangladesh, myanmar etc. There is no war with these countries nor are we placing any sanctions with these countries. And as for morrisseys home country which war are they taking part in. Nobody wants some uneducated fucker whos much more likely to steal and murder in their own country other than stupid capitalists who want to lower the wage. Its common sense
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>>102806482
Native workers can get managerial job opportunities without immigration. They aren't intrinsically connected kek.
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>>102806498
Did you miss the last five decades? NATO and its allies have spent the the vast majority of their free time tearing apart the Middle East.
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>>102806510
But they get more with the help of immigration. Don't you want Ytes to have more job opportunities?
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>>102806547
This "logic" makes no sense. If there were less immigrants here, there would naturally be more opportunities (including managerial) for the native population. And despite you pretending otherwise, the majority of immigrants work in low-skill jobs, directly competing with the average native worker.
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>>102806482
How the fuck do you think that works? Why would letting in more immigrants magically create more managerial jobs? The same amount of roles would be available, there would just be more competition for low-skilled work.
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>>102806481
>bougie
>translation:have not
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>>102806608
He's a dumb guy who unwittingly bought into corporate propaganda. He thinks that because immigration is good for the 1%, it's also good for him.
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>>102806466
Automation wouldn't be a problem if we lived in a sane society where people needing to do less work is a good thing. Alleviating the burden of work from people in low-wage jobs is a good thing if they are provided with compensation or offered alternative work
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>>102806611
You fucking moron. I could have 1mil in the bank and you'd call me a champagne socialist instead.
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>>102806392
>their presence in the country increases demand for goods which increases jobs
This is only the case if the goods are actually produced in the same country, which they almost always are not. Yeah you might need a few more shop workers or something, but if you think bringing 10 more people in (for example) will create more than 10 new jobs then you're deluded
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>>102806603
>If there were less immigrants here, there would naturally be more opportunities

Not necessarily. As I said, more immigrants means a higher demand for more goods and services, which means companies need to expand production, and this creates more jobs. In addition to this, immigrants who start their own businesses also create new employment opportunities for natives.
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>>102806512
oh ok so basically i should be okay with some nigger from nigeria coming to india and living here because some white mfs are bombing the shit out of middle east. If you pick up an indian newspaper there is always gonna be some news abt an immigrating(mostly black, sometimes bangladeshi) committing some fucking crimes. A lot of them arent documented and dont pay any taxes so no im not gonna be ok with it and neither should moz be ok with it
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>>102806608
I pointed out that immigrants who start their own businesses hire natives for managerial roles because they understand the language and culture better.

>>102806658
If you can't provide a valid rebuttal to the point, you probably don't wanna start yelling "FAKE NEWS".
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>>102806772
>but if you think bringing 10 more people in (for example) will create more than 10 new jobs then you're deluded

How do you know that won't happen? One immigrant moving to your country and having a new home built offers employment for like 20 workers.
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>>102806800
The vast majority of immigrants do not come into a country with the money to start their own businesses. And understanding the native culture becomes a less important skill when less of the population are part of that culture, due to immigration.

This is ignoring the fact that managerial jobs require more than just 'knowing the language', they often require degree-level education or similar experience. So what you're doing is essentially pitting the working-class natives against working-class immigrants with the justification of 'improving GDP', while the middle-class educated natives can maintain their cushy jobs. It's elitism of the worst sort, and the reason the European left does not represent working-class interests any more.
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>>102806820
Lmao what fucking world do you live in where the average immigrant has the money to get a new home built. You're making up hypothetical situations which are completely divorced from reality. What you're suggesting would only happen if you only let in wealthy immigrants, who are often skilled/educated and thus would compete with natives for the managerial roles you claim are made available through immigration
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>>102806776
>Not necessarily.
Absolutely. What happens when a boss fires an employee?
>As I said, more immigrants means a higher demand for more goods and services, which means companies need to expand production, and this creates more jobs
This isn't 1951 anymore, Jack. The majority of these goods aren't made in America. When corporations "expand their production," they typically ship jobs overseas. Additionally, goods jobs that are located here, such as farm labor, isn't even typically worked on by legal immigrants. Rather illegal aliens and migrants on Visas, because they work for less.
>In addition to this, immigrants who start their own businesses also create new employment opportunities for natives.
Again, you keep repeating this as if it matters, you haven't even shown data that it's true, but regardless, these immigrants are directly competing with the native population. The native population can create businesses and hire other natives in various roles. You don't need immigrants for it.
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>>102806691
I'd call you a faggot for not accepting responsibility for your own fate. I actually probably support 1/3 of your ideas on improving society, but the other 2/3rds are you whining because of your own poor decisions. You'd jump at the chance to be a fascist and accuse everyone else of it. Get fucked loser
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>>102807039
>When corporations "expand their production," they typically ship jobs overseas
And increase automation
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>>102807055
>for not accepting responsibility for your own fate
nah retard, trying to work my way out of this bullshit, but acting like me calling the moron who has everything he'll ever need wasting his life on going and fighting some poor bastards 7000 miles away a dumb trust fund kid is 'not taking reponsibility' is 62iq shut
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>>102806945
>The vast majority of immigrants do not come into a country with the money to start their own businesses

They have a higher likelihood of starting a business than the average native.

>>102807010
>What you're suggesting would only happen if you only let in wealthy immigrants, who are often skilled/educated and thus would compete with natives for the managerial roles you claim are made available through immigration

An immigrant business owner still needs to hire managers for their business. A CEO isn't gonna do all shit themselves.

>>102807039
>The majority of these goods aren't made in America

They're still being sold in stores in the country. Stores that'll need to expand and hire more workers when the demand for goods goes up.
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>>102807108
>They're still being sold in stores in the country. Stores that'll need to expand and hire more workers when the demand for goods goes up.
Stores are increasingly embracing automation, and thus phasing out workers. Not to mention the fact that there's currently a 6% unemployment rate and millions of native workers out of work.
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>>102807108
Ok, so what I'm hearing now is that you only want to let in skilled and wealthy immigrants, because they are likely to fund new businesses? This is basically an Australian-style points-based system, a far cry from what you were saying before. Sounds like you're on the side of the nationalists after all
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>>102807197
I don't think he has a coherent ideology desu. He just heard from some robber baron that immigration is good for the economy, and repeats it like an NPC without any critical thinking. It's why his arguments are continually destroyed, he pivots and doesn't even engage some points.
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>>102807197
I'm absolutely in favor of nationalists getting their shit kicked in. I'm just pointing out the economic benefits of immigration.

>>102807186
Maybe those native workers should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, kinda like how immigrants have to.
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>>102807269
>Maybe those native workers should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, kinda like how immigrants have to.
And now it finally comes out. You should have just said that you have disdain for the native worker from the beginning, rather than go on this long charade.
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>>102807259
>It's why his arguments are continually destroyed

I dunno, seems like y'all can't provide any valid rebuttals to my points. Call me an NPC all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that immigration is good for the economy overall. If it wasn't, y'all wouldn't have to resort to fearmongering tactics like calling immigrants a "flood" or "hordes". Prove me wrong: protip you can't.
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>>102807281
What disdain? If they want to succeed in the economy, they should put in the effort that everyone else is putting in.
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>>102807269
>I'm just pointing out the economic benefits of immigration.
Economic benefits that only seem to exist when you restrict immigration to wealthy, highly-skilled people that can provide a positive contribution rather than endangering the interests of the native working class. Which is exactly what 'anti-immigration' people are calling for.
>Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, stupid prole! Who cares if you're stuggling to feed your family, I need to score virtue points with my rich white friends!
Spoken like a true middle-class wanker
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>>102807285
Lol and now you're resorting to strawmanning. Nobody has used the words 'flood' or 'horde' until you did, just now.
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>>102807337
>Economic benefits that only seem to exist when you restrict immigration to wealthy, highly-skilled people that can provide a positive contribution

As I mentioned earlier, poor immigrants also increase the demand for goods and services in the country. This creates more jobs. Someone pointed out that the USA imports most of its products, so I pointed out that the stores selling said products will need to hire more employees to meet the increased demand.
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>>102807361
You're absolutely correct. I should quoted the guy who namedropped "UNLIMITED IMMIGRATION" in their post. You gonna try debunking my points now, or just scamper away?
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>>102807285
Listen buddy, you've objectively been destroyed by numerous people ITT. You had to change your position numerous times, pivoted away from topics and straight-up ignored arguments that destroyed your narrative. Now you're strawmanning us, because you have no further arguments. Your initial claim "immigration is good for the economy" has been thoroughly debunked on numerous angles. If you want to sheepishly still repeat it, fine, but it's no surprise your true feelings (anti-native worker, anti-lower class) crept out.
>>102807300
Telling people they just "have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps" is a condescending remark, typically used by those of a higher income looking down on the lower classes. And trust me, the average American is a hard-worker, doing the best that they can for themselves. They would be doing even better if hateful corporate bootlickers like you weren't so prevalent in government, and didn't ship their jobs overseas or to low-skill immigrants.
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>>102805563
>How can one man suck so much cock?
FTFY
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>>102807405
What pivoting? I've maintained the same argument throughout. Immigrants who start businesses create new job opportunities for natives. Poor immigrants are still a net positive because they increase demand for goods and services which also creates jobs.
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>>102807377
As we already told you, the market demand created by poor immigrants does not outweigh the loss of job opportunity they cause. Most goods are made outside of the country, and you do not need one new retail/service worker for every new person that comes into the country. The increased job competition benefits nobody but the 1%, which is the real reason you see it promoted. You are fucking deluded
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>>102807434
>the market demand created by poor immigrants does not outweigh the loss of job opportunity they cause

Do you have proof?

>Most goods are made outside of the country, and you do not need one new retail/service worker for every new person that comes into the country.

You still need employees to process the goods, employees to sell said goods, and Fedex and UPS workers to deliver said goods. Each of which is an area where job opportunities are created.
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>>102807432
>What pivoting?
>>102807269
>Immigrants who start businesses create new job opportunities for natives
Which we established isn't exclusive to immigrants, and immigrant businesses don't account for anywhere near the majority of native employment.
>Poor immigrants are still a net positive because they increase demand for goods and services which also creates jobs.
Which we established aren't created in America, by and large, and instead, these immigrants are now competing against American workers for jobs.
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>>102806345
Most immigrants to the North West where Morrissey comes from come from the small region of Mirpur Pakistan. What war has the UK started in that region from the 50s to now? What sanctions?
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>>102807474
>immigrant businesses don't account for anywhere near the majority of native employment.

I didn't say they did. Just that they can create employment opportunities for natives.

>these immigrants are now competing against American workers for jobs.

Their presence is still creating new jobs. This is like saying we should stop childbirths in the country because the younger generation are gonna steal your job.
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>>102807538
>Their presence is still creating new jobs
No, it's not. Creating new jobs creates new jobs, not just some fuckers existing
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this thread basically proves how stupid pro immigration cunts really are
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>>102807538
>Their presence is still creating new jobs
Woah bro, Can you immigrate to Africa and create some jobs for them by your presence. They sure will aprecciate it
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>>102807555
>not just some fuckers existing

Their very existence creates jobs in some form. If they need plumbing services, they essentially increase the demand for plumbers. If they buy goods at Best Buy, Best Buy will need additional outlets and employees.
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>>102807582
Do you typically resort to ad-hominems when you can't provide a rebuttal?
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>>102807605
well i was arguing with this guy but he just fucked off in between so whatever i guess
>>102806787
this is my last post
so yeah you're all fucking retarded
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>>102807590
>Their very existence creates jobs in some form
No it's not
>If they need plumbing services, they essentially increase the demand for plumbers
>If they buy goods at Best Buy, Best Buy will need additional outlets and employees.
This retarded thinking will lead only to inflation and crisis and extreme poverty of everyone in the future, you retard
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>>102807538
>they can create employment opportunities for natives
Immigrants hire theire own, if you're working class in the north of England you see this every day. From taxi ranks and kebab shops to employment agencies for warehouses.
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>>102807538
>I didn't say they did. Just that they can create employment opportunities for natives.
True or false: Businesses created by the native population can also provide this.
>Their presence is still creating new jobs
As we've gone over ad nauseam, jobs that are created to meet the demand of goods aren't in this country. Ones that are such as farm labor and food packing facilities are overwhelmingly worked on by illegals and migrants on visas, so this is no benefit to either immigrants or the native population.
>This is like saying we should stop childbirths in the country because the younger generation are gonna steal your job.
No it's not. There a massive difference between a native population competing with each other versus a foreign one. Additionally, you accidentally identify why we don't need immigration (at least on the current scale).
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>>102805563
By not taking any meat besides dick



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