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New to production? See: https://pastebin.com/p2QUqMzj

Post what you're looking for in feedback. Be specific if possible.
GIVE feedback to GET feedback.
PLEASE ignore tripfags and attention seekers

Post WIP's on Vocaroo. You may NOT link to Soundclouds, Bandcamp - there are dedicated threads for posting them and anything resembling self promotion will result in bad feedback.

Resources:
>Mixing and Mastering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHxMsawJsTc

>Mixing Engineers Handbook:
https://mega.nz/#!YUkgCJpR!bTX1gzqhD7fozTipk4XsRNiWQmHQXBx0T4pHMRvaURw
>The Secret of the Mastering Engineer, Bob Katz:
https://mega.nz/#!ZAE2EBCb!r0Hf0gho8pL7BlBJ6-6rJznB9SEhCG31NzNJUJX34tU
>Mixing Secrets for The Small Studio, Mike Senior:
https://mega.nz/file/Fx9UwRAI#Dfk2GKSMp7rLnWwEkv425D7hgqkJ5M730eXC702Ht0U
>Mxing With Ur Mind, Stav M.P:
https://mega.nz/file/NldVTA6R#oyzqndDbSK4zYlE91zoeeaG6L3P3bHvarGhTzs56UYg
>Musical Sound Effects, Reveillac, JM:
https://mega.nz/file/oslCmJqK#HjEmp6CAqH-SIvIco_DhrVJ4G4P5ruu7lFNj50Nz5hw
>Audio Engineering and Acoustics bundle:
https://mega.nz/#!wEVAVbgB!hwd7vmzaZ9C6wAnVbqIQt37pNUpfpn0t2ecSjZGRNe4


>Theory and Composition:
>Music theory for musicians and normal people:
http://tobyrush.com/theorypages/index.html
>tl:dr Music Theory:
https://gumroad.com/l/tldrmusic
>Comprehensive:
https://musictheory.pugetsound.edu/mt21c/MusicTheory.html
http://openmusictheory.com/
>Geometry of Musical Rhythm:
https://mega.nz/file/xrZlEYbS#NY28xToCYsn0l0MFE-msbJ3nLH5NoXAab28JMsZbm3g
>The Study of Orchestration:
https://mega.nz/file/MzgknCCJ#XovT532i7Rhktenwq6Zt3rnqhsp0LenlT3U5xxC4P8E


>Synthesizers and synthesis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atvtBE6t48M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMF8F9z7Zr8
http://beausievers.com/synth/synthbasics/
SOS Synth Secrets: https://mega.nz/file/Ih00wLbb#EvQcrpueW7yaAdThri-KtorYnY2jtXGr7vNBjeL8ZW4


>Free VSTs:
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/free-vst-plugins/
>Other VSTs:
http://pastebin.com/cCA5in17

LAST THREAD: >>101787430
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BE NICE

Crystal Castles x Beach House is top 5 CC songs don't @ me
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>>101810479
>Crystal Castles x Beach House
holy shit, that exists?
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>>101810496
YouTube took down the OG video apparently but here is my depression archived

https://vimeo.com/488114421
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>>101810531
is the video in reverse
how you do that anon?
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This whopper is nearing completion after many months, unmastered so turn up and speak your mind on the mixing, esp. bass tone and drum balance. Tearing my hair out!

https://vocaroo.com/1nAwUkbUXcnQ
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>>101810570
???

I didn't make it, I just distinctly remember watching it on loop like 5 years ago and I hate that videos like that keep disappearing.

Idk just drop a frame and reverse it and play with the rate or something
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>>101810618
>https://vocaroo.com/1nAwUkbUXcnQ
are you going for a DJ mix tape type of project?
Im just wondering why its so long.
Its cool and sounds good.
I guess Im just coming from a popular music head space.
no mean?
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who's vibing?
https://vocaroo.com/1nawE5uRZK59
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did u fix ur kick, anon.
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copy pasted from last thread cause I got in at the tail end of it:


This might be more of a /synth/ question but I want /prod/'s perspective: I'm looking to buy my first (aside from a volca fm) hardware synth but I'm a little underwhelmed by what's on the market right now. I want something that doesn't have a keybed and is sub ~$1500. I used to be dead set on polyphony but now I'd be open to getting a monophonic like the mother-32. Anyways what I'm wondering now is if I'd be better off buying a couple modules instead, but I'm not a hobbyist who just wants to faff about and make fart sounds, I want to get something to make songs with. Here's a roo that I've posted like fifty fucking times here https://vocaroo.com/14Q4VH77rNua (unembed)

>>101810618
No way in hell am I gonna listen to this whole thing but it sounds great. I like the subtle reverb, what is it?

>>101810835
Not me!
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I've used FL since 2011 and I'm not going to stop now
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>>101810497 nothing wrong with using reason
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I am the best poster on /prod/ and I am leaving forever because this thread is complete shit every time I come back to it now. I think most of the problems are caused by one particular poster who is a fucking autistic retard loser who shits up everything. It may in fact be multiple people who display similar traits, but that's even more reason to leave. I had a lot of fun here years ago and learned a lot when I was a beginner, but these threads are just too shitty for words now and it is time to move on. No one even gives good advice or feedback anymore. There are no interesting discussions. It's a pathetic state of affairs.

Good luck with your /prod/ endeavours boiz, most of you are not going to make it but some of you will. Not to be rich and famous, but to make some decent music and be content with yourself as an artist. That is the true goal.

I'll stay and collect a few (You)s however, because I am a narcissist.
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>>101811000
see u on friday, m8.
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>>101810759

It started as a bunch of digitakt patterns without timecode and made sense until I started recording them. when I faced the choice between trimming the darlings or taking on a challenge, I went with the latter. I guess it's Prog-IDM

>>101810855

Ha ha. Found it easier to let the kick-snare determine the peaks and mix around them
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>>101810934
>Not me!
;{(
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before anyone asks:
no there is no crack for ableton 11 yet.

when should you expect a crack?
never. r2r don't owe you anything.

how long did it take for live 10 to get cracked?
24 hrs.
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>>101811017
Nah. I haven't been a regular since about 2 years ago, pretty shocking how the quality has decreased, although it was already kind of shit then. /prod/ used to be the best threads on all of fourchannel, but no more.
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>>101810934
>I like the subtle reverb, what is it?

Thanks for the peek, it's Quadraverb and software plate convolution
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>>101811067
why are you still here.
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https://voca.ro/11f9br0Ok0F5
Thoughts on overall mix? I’m still working on structure/variation
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>>101811067
First time huh?
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I haven't done any music stuff in years but I want to again and I know that what I want will be almost entirely MIDI and/or sample based. What DAW would I be best off with nowadays?
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>>101811103
I already said, collection (You)s because I'm a narcissist.
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Was an Anon in the last thread seriously trying to say that you can't use a compressor to make (transient rich) material more "punchy"?
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>>101810461
hard sounds bro, maybe work more on the drums to get more varied textures with less repetition?

>>101811251
Sounds edgy, I think the bass his slightly too much midrange frequencies or distortion. I'm tempted to say roll of some highs from the bells but I'm not positive
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>>101811320
acid pro
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>>101810934
I've been looking at the Poly D for my first hardware synth. It seems pretty "basic" so you won't get too lost and can get used to the workflow and feeling of touching and moving the knobs around.
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>>101810980
thx propellerhead buddy

i get why people dont like it but ive been using it since 2002 so im not leaving it anytime soon.
Especially with the rack plug in place now

party time
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>>101811409
the less said about the last thread the better
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>>101810945
I've been using it since 2017. I've been so thankful to join the FL brotherhood. Loved it so much I bought it a couple of months ago.
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>>101811458
It has some odd issues and shortcomings, just not the usual ones the rest of them have. I'm debating moving from openmpt to renoise because it has some daw features but switching is hard.
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>>101811458
18 years you think you would read the manual by now
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>>101811533
all daws have weird quirks and we all just get used to them and/or invent work-a-rounds.

I just love that I can put a RV-7000 on Logic synths now. Or play Retro Synth with a note echo or any of the R11 players.
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>>101811562
because I was asking about the gain knobs?
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>>101811562
Only nerds read the manual for any reason other than spot checking something that isn't working how you want it to.
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>>101811625
I'm just teasing, fella
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>>101811599
I think poverty of features enforces ingenuity to a degree. You only have a guitar, you get good at guitar, you only have a delay, you get good with delay, you only have a netbook, you make a lot of sampled shit. I remember fucking around in the old days and waiting 10 minutes for some edits to process just so I'd have something playable that sounded like what you could do with a lot of money if you didn't pay attention too hard.
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>>101811675
ok but no more bully ok anon?

I really have a reading comprehension problem.

I did not great in school.
I can play music by ear though!
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>>101811000
Thanks for your service. Now join the discord
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>>101811755
>poverty of features enforces ingenuity
That's why hardware will always be a thing.
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>>101810435
As someone who thinks everyone is making shit workflows for DAWs unlike Renoise, will I hate Ableton?
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https://files.catbox.moe/gx177o.mp3

Could I get some actual feedback on this now? I'm not really sure what to do with it as I was looking to make an indie instrumental but wound up with this instead.

>>101810188
And no I don't have a souncloud. And if I did I wouldn't post it here anyway? I don't know why I went from being a meme on here to people actually liking my little snippets, they're not good. Either way I'm sorry that you like it though. My mistake.

>>101810531
This is crazy. I've been thinking about the first Crystal Castles album a lot lately. Maybe I should try to figure out how to make some stuff like that.
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>>101811068
The alesis hardware reverb? Explains why it sounds so good. I just watched a youtube video on that thing

>>101811457
Behringer still kind of makes my skin crawl even though I'm sure that thing sounds pretty good. Their arp-2600 clone is the most I've ever wanted to buy something from them

>>101810934
>https://vocaroo.com/14Q4VH77rNua (embed)
Feedback would be appreciated
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>>101811812
Probably. Depends on what you use it for. Not bad for mixing but I wouldn't want to compose directly into it.
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>>101811763
Didn't mean to make u feel bad, fren. Sorry if I did.
Have fun using whatever you like.
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I know it's controversial, but is Reason Studio at least worth trying for that free month?
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>>101811000
>expecting to get good music production advice on a Korean Rice cake making forum

go to gearslutz if you want to talk to adults about music
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Oh also I meant to ask. What graphic EQs would you guys recommend? Free or professional. Not really interested in the ones that look like pic related, I prefer the knobs.
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>>101811865
yay! thx fren!!


>>101811883
yes its at least worth trying.
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>>101811828
>Behringer still kind of makes my skin crawl
Yeah, they're a shitty company, but it's nice to (pretty much) get a minimoog for like $1000.
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>>101811922
>graphic EQs
>knobs
Wut
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>tfw good ear and taste in sonic textures but too stupid to learn theory
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>>101811922
I actually recommend your pic.
I use it on all my instrument busses because I always end up with too much mid-range excitment after I'm done writing and arranging.
I usually just decrease 500. 1K, and/or 2K just atouch and it clears things up a lot...ofr me.

If you like knobs, try the Pultec or the SSL channell strip stuff.
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>>101812007
Did you forget about the best EQ in history (The Pultec)?
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>>101812096
I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe the pultec as a graphic eq (because it isn't)
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>>101812007
like this. also can someone please reply to my post this time i don't want to have to repost it for a third time.

>>101812030
>I actually recommend your pic.
it just feels the same as the parametric to me. i'll look into pultec and SSL though. thank you.
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>>101812162
I know it's not a graphic EQ like a API 560, but it sure as shit isn't parametric.
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>>101812243
>it just feels the same as the parametric to me

yeah i get that.

The API just works for me because the default frequencies in Logic are really useful and utilitarian.....for me lol

try the Pultec...you wont regret it anon
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>>101812243
If you want pultec style things, the ruletec, softube tubetech, plugin alliance bettermaker are the in-vogue options.

The lindell te-100 and the fuse audio labs offerings are interesting.

For channel strips: Brainworx for SSL emulations, lindell for their Neve and API

>>101812256
Its usually its own class but I'd call it semi-parametric before I'd call it graphic.
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>>101811922
>SonEQ Free
>Acustica Coralbaxter (free, but have to download it through an installer)
Great free character EQs for mastering (or busses)

>TDR SlickEQ
Another good free one; can be set clean or add character

>Acustica Coffeepun
Lighter on the CPU than Coralbaxter, so it's good for mixing

>various Pultec emulations
I have the Black Rooster one and it's good, but people seem to nut about the Noiseash plugin. I think Ignite makes a free one

>Maag EQ4
Simple, yet expensive one that's good for boosting high end, but goes on sale sometimes (I got it for $10)
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I'm loving the thick n juicy new grid lines in Live 11

>>101810934
>https://vocaroo.com/14Q4VH77rNua
amazing work someone should give you feedback on this
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>>101811823
well its too late to delete this now
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>>101812574
I miss live 9 but I can't do without the new effects 8[
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how do i put all the eclectic stuff i makee into one cohesive project? i want to release something seriously but my music is all over the place
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>>101812650
cohesive sonically

use same sounds/effects, put in same space and mixing ideology etc
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I hope you're all checking your levels and eq'ing in mono :)
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>>101810934
>https://vocaroo.com/14Q4VH77rNua
music is cool and vibey
I'd put an effort into finding a female singer with a sultry voice to add top lines to your tracks.

Getting another synth isnt gonna make you write better.
You already have good synth sounds.
Find collaborators
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>>101810934
Really liking the roo. Nothing to suggest as it sounds great already.

I don't own many hardware synths, but I have a Microfreak and it's really fun as an "auxiliary" synth. I wouldn't lean on it as a workhorse, but there are lots of nice sounds to be found if you dive into programming (which is super fun and intuitive). I mean, it does kinda have "keys," but they're not REALLY keys, and they're amazingly accurate for controlling parameters with touch. Also, the only thing that's not truly polyphonic about it is the filter, and I actually kinda like it the way it is (paraphonic). They keep adding free firmware updates that add new oscillators and various improvements.
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https://voca.ro/1hnPv0bOBl7L
Rate
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How do I keep going even though my music is bad? I don't really want to spend hours and hours automating small shit like you autists
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>>101811000
see you tomorrow faggot
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>>101812980
How long have you been producing, out of curiosity? It took me years to feel kinda okay about my mixing and stuff, but I had fun the whole time, so it worked out.
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>>101812980
>I don't really want to spend hours and hours
Sounds like you just don't want to put in the work necessary.

The best course of action would probably be to progressively make less and less music and post more on /prod/ while growing bitter and wondering why you're not good despite putting in just a few hours a week.
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>>101813048
10 years on guitar jamming with my friend
2 years of dicking around in FL Studio
1 year of studying in Ableton

>>101813071
Nice
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>>101811823
You mind if I steal that?
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I've heard many times that even if you're going for a very swinged or syncopated beat, it's always good to keep at least your kicks somewhat on the grid. And I found that is true in general, to not get too messy, but only for the beginning of the kick. When I'm doing beats similar to garage or future garage, it feels absurdly dry if keep the end of the kick on the 16th note, and if I play the beat manually and just adjust the attack quantized, but the lenght more random it just feels more like the kick is "singing" in a way, and feels better. Is there any problem in this case?
And in general, is there something I'm missing out or getting confused about this? Would be great if anyone could give some tips or explain the concept better.
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what synths does /prod/ use for stand-in vocals? wishing to add it later
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>>101813156
>keep at least your kicks somewhat on the grid

Yeah that's not true at all
I can't claim to have ever gotten good at the garage thing but i've spent a decent amount of time analyzing burial (I focus more on Dilla/Madlib/Flylo etc) and that contradicts that claim pretty obviously; sounds like you've already got a handle on the kick ends control of the groove.

Doesn't sound like you're confused, just in need of practice.
I grew to focus on the "push and pull" of a rhythm, and to never leave kicks/snares as is if I can't tell for sure that that's where it should be.... sounds pretty "just use your ears bro xD" but in the beginning it really is just slowly dragging individual midi/samples until it sounds right
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>>101810435
How can I get my mixes loud as fuck? Most of my reference tracks reach -5 LUFS and some -3 LUFS but the loudest I've gotten is -6.5 LUFS. Should I use more saturation on individual tracks? Compress more? Is it the limiter? I use Loudmax64 every time since I'm under the impression that different limiters will only give me a different sound and not different loudness. Slight saturation on the master gives me a nice full sound but pushing it just destroys the mix and it doesn't get any louder.
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>>101813156
http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2010/01/offbeat-eighths-and-all-that-jazz.html?m=1
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>>101813297
clip and cut more lows

it's not a single thing, it's the culmination of trimming the fat on everything
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>>101811786
you can also be creative with a basic tracker and general midi, software is not always ableton/serum/reaktor etc
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>>101813297
Multistage clipping and building loudness into everything.

That said, I don't know what music you're listening to but it sounds like cancer. And -3 LUFS what? Integrated? Short? Momentary?
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>>101813099
What's wrong with you? Of course I fucking mind, I just want feedback. What the fuck.
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>>101813279
Yeah, I can't say I really keep the beginnings on the grid. I just found that I can't feel as free to go crazy with them as I can with the other perc. So basically I don't quantize them, but I keep them somewhere near the grid, not just going all over the place like I can do with snares, claps, perc, etc. Same as hihats, like, I will have a very swinged pattern overall, but with one or two hits per step that are always near the grid always on the same note, to keep a certain coherence. But with the ends of the kicks, I feel like even having totally different leghts for each hit just gives an awesome vibe. But never heard about that being done, so wanted to get a second opinion, I guess.

>>101813329
This looks awesome, will read for sure. Thanks a lot.
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>>101813249
Stand in vocals processed to the point they're inoffensive.
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Is Audioz really the best place to pirate shit? They don't even have torrents, what the fuck is wrong with this clown world?
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>>101813786
as soon as I saw a rise in GD posting I saw an instant drop in the quality of threads
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Does having a separate room for music production boost productivity?
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>>101813452
Thanks, I'll try it.
>I don't know what music you're listening to but it sounds like cancer.
Post-Hardcore/Metalcore. See pic. Though I'm retarded I seem to have exaggerated the loudness lmao
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>>101813894
nope, my cat still comes in and mess everything up
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please give me feedback
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>>101814049
But what if I don't have a cat (nice cat btw)
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>>101813894
You start avoiding it if it isn't a space you like being in. Playing songs for fun really helps.
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>>101814076
No way
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>>101813894
My bed dampens the room and music the only thing to do in the room where I exist :^)
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>>101814142
In my bedroom I can't stop looking at porn and posting on 4chan and searching for books, video games, and movies that I'll never actually start let alone complete

Books, games and movies that merely replicate lived experiences, simply reverberate values from the real world, and mimick the impact of true events

Very sad that I'm trying to make music. I want to entertain the world but I can't even entertain myself
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>>101812748
I'd love to work with a female singer but I'd probably be a pain in the ass control freak. If we made it big I'd get cancelled a la Titanic Sinclair.

As for the synth comment I think you're spot on. The only artist that I ever find myself consciously trying to emulate is Disasterpeace, and he does all his synths in NI Massive. I don't know if it's just because I played Fez as a kid and it got me attached to this guy's music but to my ears his synths sound better than anything else I've heard. Really makes me think twice about getting into hardware
>>101812773
Thanks for the kind words. I played with a microfreak in a museum once and it seemed like a really fun synth, albeit obviously not a workhorse as you say. Their new synth the polybrute sounds amazing. wish it were cheaper.
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>>101814122
fuck this general
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>>101814306
Self control or disconnect router

I’ve definitely lost hours to the same shit but the disappointment I feel in myself keeps me from doing that very often :|
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Do I need to learn an instrument?
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>>101814695
>but the disappointment I feel in myself keeps me from doing that very often :|
Not him, but exactly like him minus the porn; I wish this was enough to motivate me...
I might try making a second user in Windows that doesn't have internet access. It might work because I am likely too lazy to log out once I log in. Therefore, all I will need to do is log in and then I'm set.
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FL CRASH AGAIN
FUCK
ALL OF IT. GONE
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>>101814741
Your experience is not lost. Nothing, except memory loss, will take that from you.
>>101814721
I think it would make writing music significantly easier.
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>>101814721
It will make it easier to transfer ideas from your head to the real world. Clicking on notes isn't very musical. At the very least get a MIDI keyboard.
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why wont anyone respond to me its been three threads now
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>>101814431
its very difficult to work with other creative people.
I fucked up every band I ever played in.
I just think your music is good, but with some Enya type vocals, or like Massive Attack type female vocals, it would make it even more gooder.

Maybe do it all with people in other states/countries?

Thats what I'm doing rn.
It has its own problems too tho lol

gl /prod/ bro
i believe in you
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>>101814732
Yeh, “forcing” yourself into working through your environment, just removing all distractions and temptations helps a lot.

Maybe it’s slight but my desktop for example only has ableton and text documents, I don’t stay signed in on anything and the only bookmarks I keep are for bpm/frequency stuff
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>>101814814
because you make posts like this with no reference to anything
wtf anon
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>>101814853
>the only bookmarks I keep are for bpm/frequency stuff
You should make your own spreadsheets for that ;)
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>>101814801
Idk man, it takes me less time to draw in notes, it takes a long time to find the notes I'm looking for on the midi keyboard
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I’m not going to be able to practice singing AGAIN for the foreseeable future what the actual fuck

8[
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>>101814732
>>101814853
Do you think we really have to live like priests to become good producers? It's so hard to go without petty pleasure in this stressful life
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>>101814877
Well, if it works for you then it's okay. However I think that learning an instrument might help you improvise melodies as well as allow you to playing music for the hell of it instead of having to make a project everytime you feel like playing music.
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>>101814940
>priests
Monks, but yeah.
I believe you will eventually learn to derive pleasure from making music once you get into the habit.
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>>101814978
>derive pleasure from making music
Oh I absolutely do but it's a different kind of pleasure from eating a cheeseburger
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>>101814940
Dude you don’t have to completely abstain but you have to have serious discipline to become legitimately good.
Those methods are just what I do because it helps *me* keep that up.

>>101814978
People don’t like making music? Wtheck
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>>101814862
>>101811823
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>>101815034
There was nothing really wrong with your WIP, but the melody could be more memorable. I'm not trashing it or saying it's bad - I just actually can't remember a standout hook or theme or whatever from it.
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>>101814957
Fair. How do you improvise though, I always play bad notes when playing.
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>>101813458
Apologies. Didn't mean to offend. I'm not at my monitors so I can't comment on the mix, but it felt like it was building to a heavy as fuck drop. Dig what you're doing though. It feels like it's leading into something though so I'd think about a way you could contradict the vibe you built.
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>>101815286
I envision the scale that I am playing in.
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>>101815286
Learning scales and chords, there's no other way around it. If on a keyboard, start from the C major scale (only white keys) and slowly start moving to D, E, F... as they will introduce more and more black keys. Once you get a hang of how scales are structured (major and minor scales will always have the same amount of space (intervals) between the notes independent of what key you are in) you will be able to find and play in key almost intuitively.
Most of the time I improvise over songs I like and then take that idea and develop it in an original song.
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literally only hit the notes in the scale
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>>101810435
How's this trap beat?

https://voca.ro/12l9xiiuOljE

Mixed on shitty headphones btw, not sure how it'll sound on other equipment
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>>101814741
You know FL makes a shit ton of backup files right?
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>>101814076
Why don’t you give feedback
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>>101815783
The 808 needs to be louder, the piano thing in the center should be quieter. It feels like it's lacking something once the drop comes. Play with the pitch/velocity on the hihats or maybe add another perc
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>>101814780
Kek
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>>101815783
kinda sounds plastic and the low end is pretty weak
its a cool beat tho i like the arrangement just needs a stronger mix
get some good headphones bro
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Should I keep working on this?

https://vocaroo.com/1lzQajITQOjm
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>>101815559
hmmm interesting, but people do stuff outside the scale and make it sound good though?
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>>101815923
>>101815945
Cool thanks for the feedback. Plastic sounding / missing something is a common theme amongst most of my beats unfortunately, I either need better sound selection/ sounds to choose from and/ or to learn to mix better. Still struggle with making batter 808s too.
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>>101816023
True, but if you are at the stage where you are hitting wrong notes when you want to hit good notes then I think you should get a solid grasp on the basics first, and then dive into chromaticism and burrowed chords and all that shit.
>>101816090
Keep at it bro. WAGMI
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>>101810618
Heard it all before
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How do i get my electronic music to not sound so sterile?

Like the very subtle alive and acoustic quality on this project is what Id like to achieve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=579cSYquVOY&t=2298s&ab_channel=HazelSmoke
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>>101813156
The idea is more natural sounding drum beat the better. Older music sounds better because it is played live and drummers will speed up and slow down slightly especially around changes in sections. The grid refutes this global song evolution and although simplifying the production stage ends up in a robotic, artificial sounding track. I am old and when I was a teen playing in bands someone had a drum machine, started playing it and we all couldn't stand how rigid and relentlessly unfeeling the beat was.
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>>101815161
It's okay, I appreciate any feedback or thoughts at all. The first melody was kind of too fast and then I didn't know what to do.

>>101815325
Why wouldn't I be offended? Even if I don't like what I make I wouldn't want someone to steal it. If you meant remix that's a different thing entirely. I'm not interested in being remixed but it wouldn't bother me that much in comparison. And thank you, but I wouldn't know what to lead it too. I was trying to make it sound loopy like a field theme in a video game.
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>>101816554
Get with the times old man quantized is better
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>>101816554
>I am old
You didn't have to say that for us to already know that within the first sentence.
This honestly just reads like bait
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>>101816576
Imagine the hurdy gurdy man quantized

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHxfOZH8cew
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>>101816629
>>101816576
I hate this fucking general
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>>101816629
What am I supposed to imagine? What would change here? At most there'd be a millisecond differences and at that point it doesn't matter.
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>>101816302
Try a plugin like RC-20 by XLN. Or just a tape emulation plugin. Some saturation, noise, wow & flutter, etc. will help a lot.
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>>101816302
Just mash around on analog sounding synths and put some lo-fi effects on it
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>>101816561
I just heard a direction I wanted to take it in and wanted to build on it. I wouldn't do that without permission of course and I'm sorry I asked in a tongue and cheek way. I'm away from my gear though so it's a moot point anyways. If you're going for a looping thing I'd take what you have and go through it twice but add some light percussion on the second pass. I'd do the eight bit drum thing if it was me but that is a little passé. That's me anyway.
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>>101817774
Thank you and yeah I did not pickup at all on what you were aiming at there. Like I did have no idea what to do with it anyway like I said I wanted to go for like an indie/bedroom pop thing but wound up making that instead. Adding some game drums probably is the best route to go if I want to continue with it.
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>>101817893
I'd say it needs to be longer and it could use some percussion. I'd try taking what you already have and loop it two or three times and then work your way back through from the top and change something like every 15 seconds in the song. Might not be the most efficient way to go about it but you might get some ideas at least.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfVYxnhuEdU

Watch this video and think about the implications for a minute.
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>>101818082
>implications
Idk how to word this but the mental approach would akin to using a custom search engine or some shit like that; you still have to parse information and have some kind of taste to make good use of this.

For music?
I imagine a world where there's a vst that generates 8 bar loops and midi "in the style of" but unconvincingly (and i'm pretty sure that already exists but very poorly atm).
Again, you still have to use your own taste and.... actually sample or whatever.

Obviously it's just a guess but I realistically see a future where A.I is basically just generating an infinite Splice library (probably lower quality but).
Whatever the case, it's going to nix the "lower level" stage of songwriting (idea generation) and actually implementing or putting together the whole song will remain something that takes skill to do.
It'll just another chapter of the ever-lowering barrier to entry.
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>>101818082
I wish I could ask it to generate an argument for the supremacy of sample-based disco music.
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>>101811061
it's not even out yet
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>>101818277
Agreed.
But I think the taste caveat isn't as significant as it seems, because taste is only one of the abilities you need to create good art. Even if we're only talking about making creative choices, you need so much more. Otherwise every good DJ would also be a good musician, or every art critic would also be a good artist (assuming the skill needed to actually execute their ideas is also covered somehow).
An AI that makes everything for you takes away all that and leaves you requiring ONLY taste, and people with taste are orders of magnitude more numerous than people with taste + everything else.
Mediocre artists can let it generate a ton of different pieces and just select the best ones to polish/recreate and publish.
As good AI becomes more and more available, the barrier of entry becomes exponentially lower, eventually allowing even non-musicians to make good music.
I can't imagine something like this not being sold directly as a VST or as a DAW feature within the next decade.

So how do we take this into account and strategize around it?
Should we just ignore it and try to make it before it's significant?
Should we embrace it fully and become its "pioneers"?
Should we use it on the lowkey to aid us in our usual work?
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>>101818492
I don't really know how to phrase it because the quality i'm actually getting at goes beyond just taste, but even only at that level you can still hear people with super shitty sample selection for example.
E.G there are plenty of producers at least on par with say, Burial, but his ear for what soudns go together and ability to make it all come together into more than the sum of its parts is what puts him above others.

Also what that guy mentions about the curve of progress for this tech...
There's no way of knowing what will happen; i've always assumed, maybe just wishfully, that it would become impressive but ultimately get stuck in the uncanny valley or still require human selection to the point of only marginally increasing speed (perhaps speeding digital "crate digging" etc).

The "strategy" is to not put all your skillpoints into something that may become obsolete or less needed.

Sooner is always better but if you level yourself in anticipation of the changing landscape it shouldn't matter either way.

Always embrace technology; whether that means pushing it and being the bleeding edge or not is dependent on your genre (i've only heard a bit of you but still have to assume you would lol).
Lowkey is the bare minimum but it's too early to tell how useful it will actually be so...
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>>101818688
It may not be there right now but there's no way they're not going to program something to also make it make it good at selection. That's basically the whole point of AI. To think and make choices like a human.
Even just by having very developed pattern recognition that can learn what "good selection" is when you feed it a lot of good music.
Maybe it's gonna take more than expected, but I'm almost completely certain that it's eventually going to happen.

>The "strategy" is to not put all your skillpoints into something that may become obsolete or less needed.
What are you referring to?
Because this pretty much affects music as a whole.

>Always embrace technology
Yeah you're pretty much forced to if you don't want to be the horse carriage guy in the era of the automobile.

Fortunately (or unfortunately) the music itself is a small part of being successful in music. Even though I think it's fair to assume that you can ask an AI to generate many of the other aspects too (like aesthetic, branding, your personal look, etc.) lol.
This is also from OpenAI and it can make images from just a description:
https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/

>i've only heard a bit of you but still have to assume you would lol
You've heard nothing of me, I'm just Anon goddamn it.
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different anon but this AI shit is suicide fuel for me basically
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>>101818907
Then consider yourself lucky you're becoming aware of it earlier than most, so you can be prepared when it actually happens and come out of it unscathed, and perhaps even harness it for your your own benefit.
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>>101818886
I thought you were.... that guy..... 8[

>there's no way they're not going to program something to also make it make it good at selection
Dude that's the whole rub: the leap between passable and GOOD, and then combining ideas in an aesthetic way (since we're talking about context dependent sample selection obviously) is fucking huge.
It's not as simple as it just being a matter of time, we genuinely don't know at this point if we're just going to hit some kind of ceiling well before any of those benchmarks.

... also based on that link it just occurred to me that another likely scenario is it just gets used for spam and or mass producing background music (pretty likely.)

That's part of the reason I haven't invested myself in making soundtrack music or anything in that sphere....
Like if we start ordering things in terms of harmonic complexity and novelty etc there's no way that solo piano music won't be the first thing to go lol.

In terms of other... skill... categories... lmao actually.
There are /x/ threads that haven't happened yet reporting /prod/ arguments about how important knowing theory is because "the new iZotope midi generator shit's out catchy melodies and chords based on whatever chords and rhythms etc you drag into it so what's the point?" and other people bitching about how "music is so flooded now" because teenagers with no knowledge can shit our basic catchy tunes with no experience. (and basically the same shit we've been saying about sample packs for the past couple decades lol).
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what's the most efficient way to make something sound like an acoustic guitar?
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>>101819089
>the leap between passable and GOOD
>is fucking huge
Absolutely.
Still, imagine getting transported a thousand years into the future and asking how good their art-generating AI were, and being told it's not much better than what humans had a millennia ago. I don't think it's very likely.
Now that's a very long time, and with all the exponential progress that we've seen in the past few decades (or just the past few years really) I think it's coming much closer than that.
At least it's gonna be "good enough" relatively soon, and then it's gonna be refined into being actually good several years later. At least in the ideas category.
Spitting out a high quality polished file might take much longer, but you don't really need that to make great music with no effort.
Maybe you know something I don't, but I don't see any reason why there would be a ceiling lower than a level of quality that humans can't distinguish from high quality human-made music.

>spam and or mass producing background music
>there's no way that solo piano music won't be the first thing to go lol
Yeah no doubt about that.

>basically the same shit we've been saying about sample packs for the past couple decades lol
Yeah, those worries didn't make an industry-destroying difference, but there's a kernel of truth to them, and as the tools make it easier and more accessible, the arguments become more and more valid, until one day boomers will be correct in thinking that electronic music can be made with just a push of a button lol
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>>101819162
Not sure what you mean?
Like taking a recording of a voice or whatever, and transforming it so it sounds like an acoustic guitar?
Vocoders probably.
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>>101819246
yeah, that kind of idea
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>>101819229
Well, all I really have to add to that that is that exponential progress doesn't really indicate that we'll keep soaring and that progress won't just level out.

I don't recall the specifics of it (some tech nerd will likely know what i'm talking about) but we're pretty much tapped on stuff like memory- i.e disc space is used so efficiently that it's physically impossible to improve; boundaries that we don't know about currently may halt- progress completely with a legitimate ceiling.
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>>101819372
>exponential progress doesn't really indicate that we'll keep soaring and that progress won't just level out.
Yes of course. It's probably going to slow down into a logistic curve or something, but we're still at the beginning of a new field and it's making incredible leaps just from year to year, if not from month to month, and what it can already make is pretty amazing, so I don't see it slowing down that early.
And yeah, hardware limitations can be a hard limit, but with something largely software-based like this, the limits that current hardware (consumer machins but also "supercomputers" that researchers and companies can use) has on AI developement are still pretty far.
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>>101818081
Thank you.
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https://audioz.download/software/mac/page,1,2,187687-download_ableton-live-11-suite-v110-macos.html
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>>101820093
>the drama in the comments and the download links removed

they should just pull that shit down
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>>101820152
spergs gonna sperg
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>>101820152
God fucking damn I want this so bad but like... first version :S

I just need to abuse the fuck out of those effects and ignore their safe words ffffffuck
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>>101820370
scene groups can get touchy about shit like that t b h. not worth pissing off r2r over something that could've just been a forum post.

>>101820372
can macfellas not run more than one install of live at a time? i usually keep the old version for like 6 months.
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>>101820427
didn't even notice, i'm windows lol.

I still haven't uninstalled 9 and only uninstalled 8 because I noticed it wouldn't run anymore (no idea why still, I was on it for like 4 years I think
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https://vocaroo.com/1hBVrF3jf12c
shit i was making yesterday, was an idea for a song of sorts, didnt put vocals on cause gay. Might in future, transitional parts would be easier with vocals. lil sloppy
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>>101810934
>I want something that doesn't have a keybed and is sub ~$1500

Prophet rev2-8 desktop might be up your alley. Minitaur is a great mono to start with

> https://vocaroo.com/14Q4VH77rNua

Nice solar field-y vibe, dig the mix.
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>>101818082
>implying modern music (especially electronic music) relies on intelligence
I don't need a fucking computer to tell me how to make a IV V I progression. If you think the so-called AI will change anything, you're dumb. good music comes from the heart and the balls, not the brain. All the cheating technology you'd ever need is already there anyway.
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>still no link for my Live 11
>it's already shared on warez sites
wtf are they doing
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>>101820711
It's all pretty muddy. Your rhythm guitar is very off time. The drums sound like a stock ableton kit and don't compliment the track, nor do the sampled strings. The bridging parts are cool
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lol you guys missing the forest for the trees on the neural music front:

the techbros don't want to help you; they want to replace you entirely.

spotify makes a lot more money if they can generate an infinite amount of music instead of paying out royalties.

and they will get there within the decade.
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>>101816302

Actress started using a lot of hardware over the last decade. Digital synths from the late 80's/early 90's have that fuzzy noisy quality, he probably didn't noise gate very much. plus it sounds like he tracked to tape or saturated some cheap mixer.
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>>101820990
Besides a few knocks a lil off beat on like an occasional upstroke, the guitar is mostly in time and on grid on downbeats for that section except comes a little before the beat at the last repetition of progression. I think what it is for the rest is mostly it’s doubled and it has a phaser and flanger from a preset I forgot to turn so throws it more off. Simple progression and can retrack whenever I come back with it.
Forgot to take some shit off before rendering. Maybe some fx on snare too. For drums idk dog, I never like em but when I’m writing whatever shit, I don’t have the mind to spend hours fucking with it, when I come back to this I’ll try other presets for the drum kit and mess with velocity and shit, I always use the default EZdrummer. But that really depends on process of making shit. I do like using strings though, so disagree with you there.
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>>101821020
that's literally already happening
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God I'm just so tired of it all. I got into this so I could make music for my video games and I've been doing this shit for like 1.5 years and I'm still trash.
Every VST I have sounds like shit. I've tried fiddling with every option but it's all garbage.
I'm tired of trying new ones and having them be bad, and being too poor to buy real ones, and this absolute dogshit piracy scene where you have to wait 4 hours downloading a 3GB file that only has like a 1% chance of being good.
I'm tired of wanting to duplicate certain sounds from other songs but having no fucking clue what to get, and never getting the right VST even when I know what the fucking instrument is.
I'm tired of how fucking bad I am. I listen to music by real composers and they always have like 2-3 layers of things going on that my basic-ass bullshit, even when I try my hardest.
I'm tired of creating a million offcuts and layers and having no fucking clue how to actually put them together to make a song.
I just fucking hate it. I love music so much but everything is so cancerous. I feel like a painter who only has basic primary colors and isn't allowed to mix them and who also can't even fucking draw. I'm just so sick of it all. I don't even know if I want help, or can be helped. Just free me from this fucking nightmare.
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>>101820960
You have no idea how machine learning works.

>>101821020
The tech bros aren't one single hivemind.
Some want to make money by generating music (which people aren't somehow gonna start listening to so much that regular musicians will be replaced).
Some want to make money by selling these tools to musicians.
Some just want to make the tools and release them for free.
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>>101821177
What kind of vidya is it? And you expect to be a super eclectic soundtrack for it? Characters themes and diverse genre stylings? Definitely gonna take more than 1.5 years. You’d probably need to spend 1.5 years, like in total time spent just doing this shit, reading scores, or whatever, to be able to do it like it’s not a big deal, well depends. Just work on catchy melodies and keep learning, or quit and hire someone else to make your music and let whatever pass because you’re not being overly critical
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>>101821177
>1.5 years and I'm still trash.
wow, i'm shocked

I do find it hard to believe that you got deep enough into making your own game and didn't realize the amount of time it takes to become competent at a skill like making music.
Just outsource that shit dude wtf are you doing
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i only listen to asian hip hop because they are less obsessed with trap and are more creative musically
not sure why western music is so shit currently
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>>101821528
limit your born in le wrong generation posts to the youtube comments section, please. thanks.
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>>101821563
in 2016 it was a cringe meme to say that trap is ruining hiphop, but in 2021 it's actually about time for the music industry to move on
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>>101821594
it'll move on when the market says it's time to move on. now move along, weeb.
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>>101821177
gitgood retard and stop mindlessly downloading vsts

>>101821194
>of course the music I listen to could be made by AI!
sorry you have garbage taste in music.
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>>101821609
>the market
implying they could make any new music even if they wanted
most rappers don't sell much anyways, but they keep making trap because they can't make anything other than trap or generic boom bap lofi crap
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>>101821630
Not an argument.
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>>101821594
>in 2016 it was a cringe meme
it's still cringe
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>>101821667
let me guess, you are under 20 years old
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>>101821709
You say that as if being over 30 would make you hip to trends or some shit. Don't be a bitch and resort to "ur young xD" at the first sign of resistance.

The sound isn't going anywhere just because boomers like you keep bitching about it. Roll with it or cry moar, you're a faggot either way.
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>>101821649
yes, it is. you believe AI can replace man-made art because of your own degenerate perspective on art. the problem is fucking you and your lack of culture and discernment
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>>101821938
>good art is some magic thing that I decided that only the human brain can create and nothing else will ever in the history of mankind come close
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>>101821861
He means that you're displaying the kind of stupidity that is typical of kids under 20.
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some real strong raging against the industrial revolution vibes
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>>101822012
Can you really blame the boomers tho
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>>101820941
>Prophet rev2-8 desktop
Funny you should mention that as I would have already bought one if it weren't for U-he Repro-5 sounding amazing and being one of my main synths. Haven't heard of the minitaur before, I'll give that some thought
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upgrading to Live 11 tonight even though you can already get cracked Live 11 cause the Live 10 r2r keygen works with it.
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>>101822066
before winfags get excited, this doesn't apply to windows. the win installer / exe needs to be pre-patched. it's been that way for a few releases now.

iirc it's an easy change though so i wouldn't be surprised if the russians do a p2p release with the r2r keygen.
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>people itt think everything should be quantized
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>>101822110
who are you quoting
why are you lying
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>>101822110
If you're doing anything digital, the samples in all your digital PCM audio are quantized to the sampling rate.
Checkmate rockists.
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Already hearing reports that Live 11 runs way way smoother and faster than Live 10. I'm excited.
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>go to Ableton.com
>"Live 11 now available"
>still don't have my pre-order link
ok
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>>101822158
available for purchase*
not for download
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>>101822158
Intro: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_intro_11.0_64.zip

Standard: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_standard_11.0_64.zip

Suite: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_suite_11.0_64.zip

Trial: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_trial_11.0_64.zip

MAC
Intro: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_intro_11.0_64.dmg

Standard: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_standard_11.0_64.dmg

Suite: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_suite_11.0_64.dmg

Trial: https://cdn-downloads.ableton.com/channels/11.0/ableton_live_trial_11.0_64.dmg
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>>101822173
yea no shit, the pre-order is a purchase.
you receive a link when you can buy it.
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>>101822188
useless when i can't get my license yet.
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>>101822192
so you haven't actually bought it yet?
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>>101822213
no, you can't
you pre-order it on ableton.com and then you receive a link for payment once live 11 releases.
it's always been like that for ableton. you don't pay until the product is out, you just pre-order and secure your discount.
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>>101822205
just run the trial for a few weeks
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>>101822243
sry bro, gotta consoom
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so how long do cracks usually take...?
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>>101822361
see >>101811061
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>>101811670
>thinks it's co to be a brainlet
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Is this tone thin and shrill/harsh?
https://voca.ro/19K50MXy8vdY
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why have none of you guys ever told me about this secret weapon?
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>>101810835
v2
https://vocaroo.com/11Uyou7JPO7T
feedback please
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>>101823019
i have oneshots all nice and tidy, so why would i need this?
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>>101823019
holy shit that's a game changer
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>>101823019
it's alright. doesn't integrate into my workflow very well.

i wish sononym worked better
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>>101823495
what's your workflow like?
you can just alt drag the one shot onto an audio track like you can normally so it feels pretty fast to me.
i think it's cool for using more sounds than just the few i've bookmarked. especially nice because even within the categories samples are sorted in a nice way (for example leftmost drums have more bottom end while right have more body etc.)
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>>101823019

Samples are meant to be mangled. Kick drums make for better shakers than shaker samples
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>>101823572
*leftmost kicks
is what i meant
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>>101823591
who says you can't still mangle them after you picked a sound?
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>>101823572
something about just bringing it in from an external window breaks my brain a little.

i've also gotten used to:
1. not cycling through a million different samples looking for the right one. it's mostly a 'close enough' and followed by a lot of shaping. i think i'd be less inclined to do that if i could just keep looking for something that worked better and i'd probably lose a bit of character

2. i use a lot of non drum samples as drums
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>>101810618
Serious Claro Intelecto / The Other People Place energy. Absolutely love this.
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>>101823676
>i use a lot of non drum samples as drums
me too, i just keep those out of there as many different kinds of textures can serve as hats for example although i either use an Esrever found sounds collection for that or record them myself.
For kicks, snares, claps and such it's a godsend form me though
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>>101823753
ngl if a feature like this were built into the native browser, i'd probably use it all the time. alas, maybe by reaper 8 or live 63
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>>101821177
Of course you're still trash, it's only been 1.5 years. Take a break, and when you come back, stop trying to create masterpieces for now and just focus on getting a little better one day at a time. Also, outsource the music for your game like that other anon said. You're gonna hate yourself if you try to force it at this point, and that's valuable time you could be devoting to other areas of development.
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>>101813963
>mfw i actually measure one of these to see how sustained this loudness is

really, really awful stuff, anon. but if you want to get there, it's very scooped 200-600hz and very loud 1.5 - 3k/5k.

there's absolutely no reason to do this though and you will probably damage your hearing along the way. godspeed.
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>>101824054
>Of course you're still trash, it's only been 1.5 years
uh oh, meanwhile skrillex was an absolute monster after just a year and made steve duda's jaw drop when he came over for dinner and steve indulged him when he asked if he could play some of his music
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>>101824088
Yeah, but he's kind of an outlier. You wouldn't tell somebody playing baseball/football in middle school that they're shit because Bo Jackson was better at their age. You just gotta do the best you can with what you've got, and hating yourself doesn't make it any easier.
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>>101824145
at the same age =/= with the same years of practice
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>>101824168
then pretend I wrote "with the same years of practice" :)
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>>101824199
ok doing that now
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Dog synth
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>>101824382
yes
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https://voca.ro/1liXPfUqANUg

How are drums and 808?
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>>101824696
better than the piano that's for sure my dooooood
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>>101824740
Yeah can't tell if the piano sounds cool or like circus music desu, sometimes when I play a loop enough I start to like it tho
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>>101823019
SOULLESS
I tried using this and as cool as it sounds it really kind of sucks
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how is the mix?
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Learning to play songs will help me with jamming/improvising down the road right?

My ultimate goal is being able to jam, improvise and make my own music and music with friends, and sometimes I worry that my routine, which consist of practicing repertoire, technical exercises (chord changes, scales, etc), aural training and learning new pieces, doesn't lend itself well toward what I want to accomplish. If so, how might structure a better routine for myself?

Been at for about 6 months, also play piano. My plan is just to continue with current routine and maybe spend more time "noodling" or rewriting songs I like. Would appreciate any tips, I always fizzle out due to not feeling like my routine is getting me where I want, but I'm gonna stick it out this time.
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>>101824910
no!
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>>101825229
>Learning to play songs will help me with jamming/improvising down the road right?
Yeah, you're generally playing with the melody or chords in increasingly esoteric ways. Even those 2 note hammer on solos what play with the rhythm and turnaround have more musicality than what the average solo wanker produces.
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Is there any disadvantage to having weighted keys on your MIDI controller? I was thinking of getting a digital piano as a midi controller because I like the feel of the keys.
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So I've just bought a Focusrite Scarlett 3rd gen and started fucking around in Ableton Live, recording guitar tracks, it's fun and all.
I've also realized I can plug the thing to my phone since it uses the same USB connection. Are there any Android DAW apps worth checking out? Recording guitar on my phone through the interface sounds really cool.
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>>101825703
I didn't realize a Scarlett would work with Android like that! The mobile version of Cakewalk by Bandlab is pretty nice IMO, and it's free.
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>>101825598
Just helps helps with tactile feedback imo
It may or may not inspire improvements in your playing
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>>101825740
I mean I don't know if it actually works, all I know is I can plug it to the phone and lights turn on on the Scarlett like when I plug it to the PC
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some people swear by sidechaining the 808 or bass to the kick, and others swear by leaving it the fuck alone. famous mixing engineer alex tumay for example says don't ever sidechain your 808 to your kick
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>>101825848
yeah I stopped because it sounds bad
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>>101825598
>Is there any disadvantage to having weighted keys on your MIDI controller?

Faster synth stuff and live drumming is going to be difficult unless you practice like crazy. You don't get a tactile feel for the exact note-on point and the keys are more sluggish
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remixing old tracks. feels good bros
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I like the Vengeance sound packs, and they're pretty good. And you can't stop me.
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>>101825848
>>101825931
what about with dynamic eq?
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you know whats really fucked up
when the 808 sample already has the attack scooped
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>>101825959
The good news is that most weighted or semi-weighted keys aren't hammer-true unless you spend a ton of money and once you break through the hammer you have your usual synth action as long as it doesn't reset.
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>>101826299
>808
>sample
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>>101826299
>when the 808 sample
stopped reading there
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>>101826299
based, I bet your 808 folder is pretty impressive
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>>101826989
yeah
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Anyone use Live 11 yet?
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>>101826097
Agreed. What I have been doing lately is once a day going through three or four of my old tracks for five minutes at a time to rework them slightly
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>>101826604
once you break through the hammer

I have a keystation pro 88 that has some form of hammer action keys.
Semi weighted think?

Anyways, can you speak more on this "breaking in" period?

I'm not a piano player so I can't tell if I'm tripping or not about the keyboard feel changing.
I probably play pretty hard because I'm a drummer, but again, I don't really know whats normal on piano.

Also, can this change in feel be repaired?
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>>101821609
>>101821640
the only reason it's even around is its much cheaper to produce and record than traditional bands (which were cheaper than old big bands and ensembles).
Also it's all stream playlists anyway, and no one actually buys their music. The playlists are manipulated and repeated to worm into people's heads so they get used to it and aren't repulsed instinctively, but listeners who are sheltered from the list usually immediately hate it as they haven't been slow boiled.
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>>101827602
It does matter I feel like I have to smack my non weighted keyboard to get decent velocity.
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>>101827618
>no one actually buys their music
I just checked and I haven't actually bought music since 2009.
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>>101818319
Underrated
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Is there any good free piano VSTs or should I just cope with it and buy one?
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Can someone please tell me how to structure a synth wave track?
https://voca.ro/1cWjHqQ4NZDe
Please don't mind how it sounds, I don't care how it sounds, its the composition I want to know about. The structure. I'm trying to get out of a 4 bar loop. I know I need an intro and bridge. Should I have another lead, it sounds too bare in places? Any help is greatly appreciated, I feel frustrated.
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>>101827860
the spitfire labs soft piano is alright, but it's a very particular, felted, sound.
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>>101827893
it's a shame literally no one has ever made a full synthwave track that you could just lift the structure from.
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what gear is in those racks?
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>>101827936
I tried that, but what happens is they say things like
>4 bar pre-chorus
>8 bar chorus
and then I find that lead part is 16 bars
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>>101827965
bottom: black face 1176 probably revision d
2nd from bottom: silver face 1176 revision g
third from bottom: tubetech cl-1b

not sure about the other two

>>101828016
>they say
who says. literally just put another track into your project and copy the structure.
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>>101827893
Try Intro/A/A/B/A/C/B/Outro and make it a point to either introduce a new texture or contradict an established theme ever 10 to 15 seconds to keep people's interest. Also you're going to want to think about dynamics a little more and changing up the drum groove to keep it from sounding sterile. Hihats are like Chinese water torture to me when they're always the same.
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I need to ask for advice on something but we're almost at bump limit so I'm waiting for the next thread, can you gentlemen speed this shit up please?
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>>101828181
>making a post teasing your next post instead of just posting the same thing twice

you're not allowed to ask your question now.
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is an 808 always a layer of the kick sample and then the tail with pitch, or is it possible to synthesize both together as one sound?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFQ1rmT4uTQ
where to get an gf like this
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>>101828257
>modular
you want her to steal your income and spend it on eurorack?
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>>101822127
So it plays at a set speed?
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Obama moment
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>>101828050
Youtube videos. Thank you, I'll try, maybe I'll use Dynatron
>>101828127
Thanks, I copied this post into notepad
>Hihats are like Chinese water torture to me when they're always the same
lol
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>>101828257
>hey gotta visit jose to borrow his phasor
>how long you gonna be?
>a few hours
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>>101828435
just pick three or four tracks that are similar to yours. bring them all in and do a very fast and loose sequencing job to see which one works best.

and when i say very fast, i mean it should take 10 minutes max to do it per option. don't worry about making transitions sound nice or writing more parts. basically just match things going in and out to start. if you're very short of elements just create channels with blank placeholder clips and name them what htey need to be.
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>>101828550
Thank you, hopefully I can get back to this thread with something finished.
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>Live 11 comes out
>Live is STILL the ONLY DAW on the market right now that doesn't have a option to display the channel mixer in it's linear sequencer.
can't make this shit up
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>>101827602
Not break in, break through. Once the hammer actuates, a good number of them are just a pad until you go back past the hammer actuation to reset it. Otherwise you're other anon and have to manually lower velocity points to get it to not be shit because slamming on a plastic box with rubbery keys feels and sounds awful.

Unrelated, my keyboard is indistinguishable from a 909 clap.
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Today, I will comp for the first time. Wish me luck.
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I bought this dude off facebook last year and only just remembered that the aftertouch is broken. Definitely a hardware issue as no matter what I do I get no midi signal. Is it possible to buy a replacement aftertouch ribbon?
>>101828883
I don't know what this means
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>>101828978
>I don't know what this means
Think about it.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBIOiM97Vs
holy shit.
i thought the new live 11 devices would just be slightly improved versions of the old ones, fixing outdated UI but this shit is fucking crazy
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>>101829076
It's just fancy signal chains poorfags have been doing in post, or live now that I think about it, for years.
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>>101829116
you forgot the part where you can drop any sample you want into the convolution reverb and shape it, smartypants
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>>101829076
why does it look like Live 9?
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>>101829042
I'll think about it ok but what are your thoughts on my aftertouch dilemma?
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>>101829076
You'd think a company like ableton would be able to make the narration not sound like dog fuck bull crap this bitch's voice is unbearable
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>>101829076
Sounds awesome but I'm not gonna want to use it for fear of everybody else using it cause it's brand new. This is retarded I know you don't need to tell me
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>>101829172
t. retard who puts a +24 db EQ on the low frequencies when he records his voice in a poor attempt at masking his thin bitch voice like that one retarded production youtuber
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>>101829076
>two reverbs in serial or parallel are fucking crazy
lol

>>101829135
you can already do this in the maxforlive convolution reverb pro or altiverb or reverberate...
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>>101829145
I'd have to look at how aftertouch works to figure out what the dumbest fucking hardware/user issue could be. I gave up when I realized it's a bit much for any random anon to troubleshoot and attacked the other statement instead because you really don't want to sound that specific kind of retarded.
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>>101829273
I've read this three times and I'm detecting hostility but I really don't understand what you meant by this. My previous post was a lighthearted joke by the way
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>>101810618
This song reminds me of clown world pepe.
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>>101827965
loling right now this is so unrealistic, animes never produce music
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>>101829344
Essentially, you're asking how to troubleshoot a hardware issue that requires soldering to fix, unless it's something really retarded with akai, which I would also believe. It's not something anons outside /diy/ are usually acquainted with and the average iq here is like 87 and stoned on top of it.
>I don't know what this means
is a variation of what someone says when you told the stupid asshole what it means while talking about it. It triggers people who know things when someone brings up something in a place where people are supposed to know some of those things. I meant some cheeky hostility.

I'm assuming he meant that the sequencer doesn't have channels or dedicated EQ sliders visible, which even this hot shitter from the Amiga days does if you hit the right button. It's out of place for how a sequencer is used. I don't really know but I know I didnt like my Ableton trial.
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>>101829076
isn't this just mixing two reverbs together?
also
>timbers
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>>101811320
Lmms



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