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name a better songwriter than him
no, seriously, I'm tired of listening to him all the time, I want to diversify but somehow the other names that get thrown around (Nick Drake, Tim Buckley) don't seem to grab me as much
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>>100882871
Leonard Cohen
Lee Hazelwood
Scott walker
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Jim Morrison
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John Martyn
Roy Harper
Gordon Lightfoot
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>>100883035
>leonard cohen
fpbp
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>>100882871
Elliott Smith
Nick Drake
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>>100883035
Perfect list. Scott 4 is fantastic.
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>>100882871
donovan, modest mouse? idk.
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Paul mccartney
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>>100883238
only accurate answer so far
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>>100883035
i love lee hazlewood but no way is he in the same tier as bob
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>>100883035
>Scott walker
>first song is a Jacques Brel cover
horrifyingly based
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>>100882871
Dylan is unironically a shit songwriter. Listen to Leonard Cohen
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>>100883281
Probably not desu but I think a Bob fan could probably appreciate him
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me
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>>100882871
cohen desu
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>>100882871
>Serge Gainsbourg
>Kris Kristoffersen
>Townes van Zandt
>Ferlin Husky
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>>100882871
I fully believe Randy Newman is the greatest songwriter of all time. "Good Old Boys" is one of the greatest albums ever written start to finish, and besides "Born Again" no album is under an 8/10. His lyrics are so smart and filled with so much characters and irony that he can go from being a Korean student with strict parents, to a rapist, to a slave merchant
More like Newman and Dylan are; Harry Nilsson, Townes Van Zandt, Van Dyke Parks, and Neil Young
And like >>100883076 said, Gordon Lightfoot and John Denver are super comfy and I love them. I saw Lightfoot live a couple years back and it was magical
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>>100882871
others already mentioned Townes and Lightfoot so apart from them
David Berman
Shane MacGowan
Stan Rogers
Cole Porter
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Prine
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This guy not was only a better singer, he actually meant what he sang, unlike Dylan who only used social/political causes, and LARPing like Woody Guthrie to further his musical career, and then turn his back on his audience once he became famous......
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>>100882871
Jim Croce.
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Joni Mitchell
Gordon Lightfoot
Milton Nascimento
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>>100883076
>>100886435
>>100887632
I love seeing so much Lightfoot
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Roy Harper (VERY underrated, a true songwriter's songwriter)
The Tallest Man On Earth (basically swedish Dylan with better guitar work)
John Pine
Willie Nelson
Colter Walt
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>>100882871
David Tibet (works under the name Currebt 93)
Douglas P. (works under the name Death In June)
Pretty much every other person I would have named has already been named ITT, so those are my only two suggestions
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>>100882871
David Kauffmann and Eric Caboor

https://davidkauffmanandericcaboor.bandcamp.com/album/songs-from-suicide-bridge

Give it a listen mate!
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>>100882871
Lots of good suggestions in here, wanted to also mention Will Oldham/Bonnie Prince Billy/Palace/Palace Music/Palace Brothers...fucker has a lot of names
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Paddy McAloon, Stuart Murdoch
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>>100882871
only cohen
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Dan Reeder.
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>>100882871
Joni Mitchell
/thread
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And take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time
Far past the frozen leaves
The haunted frightened trees
Out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky
With one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea
Circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate
Driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow
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>>100882871
Frank Turner
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>>100891724
Tom Waits is my favorite artist of all time but I don't think his lyrics are Joni Mitchell level
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>>100886991
hate seeing posts about this guy give me a fucking break, dumb shit. Bob wasn't larping he truly did believe in what he was singing about but he wasn't an idiot cuck who gets so wrapped up in politics that it's all he sings about for 50 years. The man had bigger ambitions and wanted to sing about the human condition, society as a whole, not just make little protest skits about the dust bowl and shit. The guthrie stuff was authentic he went to the mans hospital when no one else even knew he was there.
Sadly there's no one else who can hold a flame to dylans vision, the lyrics, sound, whole package. Sure leonard cohen can be an even match for him or joni mitchell maybe even neil young or townes van zandt, but its more than just the words. Dylan had it all, he had the best musicians and producers, that shit STILL holds up. It's not soft little folk music all throughout, he keeps evolving his sound. Find me something as raw as the whole basement tapes, or something kooky and self aware as Nashville Skyline, a purposefully ironic but loving take on country. No-siree don't exist.
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And where do all these highways go
Now that we are free?
Why are the armies marching still
That were coming home to me?
O lady with your legs so fine
O stranger at your wheel
You are locked into your suffering
And your pleasures are the seal
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>>100892381
exactly this. Neil Young will always be my favorite, and like what >>100891460 >>100887632 >>100886932 >>100886435
and a bunch more said, there are songwriters who are undoubtedly "better" than Dylan, but because of his producers, his musicians, his fame, his message, and also just his luck of getting in the scenes at just the right time, he's gonna stick as one of the greatest of all time.
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>>100882871
John Lennon
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so many suggestions thanks bros I'll check them out
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>>100892381
Well said. I agree that there are songwriters who might have "better" lyrics, but looking back, Dylan will always be the quintessential singer/songwriter, and probably the defining 20th century artist for the United States, as far as popular culture anyway.
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>>100882871
Truth is there isn't. Not a single other songwriter has done things that rival It's Alright Ma, Idiot Wind, Don't Think Twice, Like a Rolling Stone or any other of Dylan monumental works. People who haven't fully "gotten him" yet will name the ones they prefer, but as far as writing music that's also legit poetry no one compares.

I actually love Leonard, he's one of my favorites, and I'll always like him, but overall his work is weaker than Dylan's and that's factual, plain to see, even though I think of him more fondly in many aspects. A lot of these replies are pitiful and a clear example of not being able to separate feelings from rational judgement.
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>>100894787
Also, Cohen comes closest, but Neil Young, Morrison, Townes etc etc were never on the same level of lyricism and it's asinine to claim that. Joni Mitchell in particular is childlike compared to Dylan, as far as complexity, quality of rhyme and overall poetry skill goes she is an absolute joke of a songwriter next to him, and that's the problem. Many of Dylan's detractors don't even have the tools to understand what makes him compelling.
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>>100894787
>Poetry
>Best poetry
>What a great poet
Pity he didn't become a poet really, isn't it? The Tin Pan Alley greats that Zimmerman disparaged actually wrote songs, whereas Minnesota's favourite son whined his way through second-class poetry for college kids. It's rap music for Jewish people.
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You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked and you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard but you don't understand
Just what you will say when you get home
Because something is happening here but you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
You raise up your head and you ask, "Is this where it is?"
And somebody points to you and says, "It's his"
And you say, "What's mine?" and somebody else says, "Well, what is?"
And you say, "Oh my God, am I here all alone?"
But something is happening and you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?
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>>100882871
Paul Simon
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>>100895234
He actually did. There's only a separation between "music lyrics" and poetry when skill is lacking. In Dylan's case they are virtually the same. Both styles also share similar structures, patterns and demand an almost identical set of skills. Music defined primarily by lyrics is about as invalid as music defined primarily by instruments, which is not at all since only drooling retards try to set rules on what a piece of art - that they're not even obligated to consume - should be.

It's always funny to see contrarians try to shit on a man because he became unbelievably popular in one of the only cases where recognition matches talent, which triggers a lot of insecurity. They either try to undermine or disprove him in some way, but never produce anything of value. Dylan was right when he called his accusers "pussies;" A bunch of men intimidated by his legacy. "While one who sings with his tongue on fire / Gargles in the rat race choir / Bent out of shape from society's pliers / Cares not to come up any higher / But rather get you down in the hole / That he's in."
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I'm ready to take the Dylan-pill. Is Highway 61 a good start?
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>>100895751
Freewheelin' has some of his best and most classic songs, including the one that hooked me which is the original, fingerstyle rendition of Girl From North Country (and Don't Think Twice). The most accessible would probably be Blonde on Blonde imo, and for more personal lyrics Blood On The Tracks. Then BIABH and H61. His best lyrics are in the 60s, the 70s have some masterpieces, the 80s are a crock of christian shit and he kinda bounced back afterwards.
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>>100895751
i think The Freewheelin' is a good start imo
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>>100891460
+1

I'll add Steely Dan too.
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>>100891460
she's great
not better
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German puppets burned the Jews
Jewish puppets did not choose
Puppet vultures eat the dead
Puppet corpses they are fed
Puppet winds and puppet waves
Puppet sailors in their graves
Puppet flower, puppet stem
Puppet time dismantles them
Puppet me and puppet you
Puppet German
Puppet Jew
Puppet Presidents command
Puppet troops to burn the land
Puppet fire, puppet flames
Feed on all the puppet names
Puppet lovers in their bliss
Turn away from all of this
Puppet reader shakes his head
Takes his puppet wife to bed
Puppet me and puppet you
Puppet German, puppet Jew
Puppet Presidents command
Puppet troops to burn the land
Puppet fire, puppet flames
Feed on all the puppet names
Puppet night comes down to play
The after act to puppet day
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>>100895846
>>100895852
thanks anons
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he was cute
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do i need to smoke in order to write good lyrics bros?
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>>100895911
Not better. So much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeaO5UZ5OcI
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>>100891724
Mid Waits career is like Dylan's electric lyricism personified
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>>100882871
Father John Misty
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>>100896101
not really
>>100896205
kek
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I asked my father,
I said, "father change my name."
The one I'm using now it's covered up
With fear and filth and cowardice and shame.

Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me,
Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me.

He said, "i locked you in this body,
I meant it as a kind of trial.
You can use it for a weapon,
Or to make some woman smile."

Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me,
Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me.

"then let me start again," i cried,
"please let me start again,
I want a face that's fair this time,
I want a spirit that is calm."

Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me,
Yes and lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover, lover come back to me.

"i never never turned aside," he said,
"i never walked away.
It was you who built the temple,
It was you who covered up my face."
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The ghost of ’lectricity howls in the bones of her face
Where these visions of Johanna have now taken my place
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>>100895434
>Dylan was right when he called his accusers "pussies;
can i get a link/source/reference to that, anon?
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>>100897482
ultimateclassicrock.com/bob-dylan-wussies-and-pussies/
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>>100897551
thanks
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Leonard is better by virtue of his revision. He doesn’t waste a word
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>>100896485
>better singer
>better songwriter
>better lyricist
>better guitarist
>beter pianist
Yet to see proof to the contrary.
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>>100885997
This but with me instead.
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>>100882871
Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell, Joanna Newsom, basically any good female songwriter. Men cannot write music.
>hurr durr the government!
Bob Dylan is massively overrated faggot.
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Unironically, Rowland S. Howard
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It's telling that nobody mentioned, besides Neil Young, ever wrote rock songs as compelling as Dylan's. Contrarians are desperate to claim some folkie or country guy who stayed in those lanes their entire careers as "better than Dylan" when they clearly never matched the breadth of his material.
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>>100897856
Here's verses from Joni's most played song on Spotify, which happens to be from her most critically acclaimed album, making this a very fair pick:

>He tried hard to help me, you know, he put me at ease
>And he loved me so naughty, made me weak in the knees
>Oh, I wish I had a river I could skate away on
>I'm so hard to handle, I'm selfish and I'm sad
>Now I've gone and lost the best baby that I ever had
>Oh, I wish I had a river I could skate away on

Common trite, painfully mundane and literal, absolutely nothing stands out in terms of vocabulary, phrasing or rhyming. Here is Dylan's most listened:

>You never turned around to see the frowns
>On the jugglers and the clowns when they all did tricks for you
>Never understood that it ain't no good
>You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
>You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
>Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
>Ain't it hard when you discover that
>He really wasn't where it's at
>After he took from you everything he could steal?

There's no comparison. Joni is literal babyshit compared to Dylan at his prime, in all technical aspects. Your dumb opinion based on contrarianism doesn't override reality.
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>>100886991
phil was too based for this planet
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>>100899321
I forgot to mention the absolutely laughable "lost the best baby" bit, which is one of the cheesiest, most downright awful lyrics I've ever seen. This was so unbelievably bad it actually got ingrained in my brain the first time I listened to it, as it kept repeating her overly pompous, pretentious delivery of one of the worst lines ever written, the great "best baby." Holy shit.
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The peddler now speaks to the countess who's pretending to care for him
Sayin', "Name me someone that's not a parasite and I'll go out and say a prayer for him"
But like Louise always says
"Ya can't look at much, can ya man?"
As she, herself, prepares for him
And Madonna, she still has not showed
We see this empty cage now corrode
Where her cape of the stage once had flowed
The fiddler, he now steps to the road
He writes ev'rything's been returned which was owed
On the back of the fish truck that loads
While my conscience explodes
The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain
And these visions of Johanna are now all that remain
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Lou Reed was hell of a song writer.

Bowie.
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Jeffry Lee Pierce. Unironically.
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>>100886991
NOOOOOOOOOOOW IM JUST A TYPICAL AMERICAN BOY FROM A TYPICAL AMERICAN TOWN
I BELIEVE IN GOD AND SENATOR DODD AND KEEPING OLD CASTRO DOWN
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>>100899400
>Bowie
not the best songwriter
quicksand was kino th
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>>100899605
How about this. Patti Smith is the best song writer maybe ever.
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>>100882871
David Bowie
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>>100899730
>drops the ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=941PHEJHCwU&list=LL5G0mibrZodeF3Mmzgbqpxg&index=67&ab_channel=NobelPrize
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>>100886991
>>100899348
>>100899565
based ochs posters
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>>100882871
Brian Wilson
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And Jesus was a sailor
When he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching
From his lonely wooden tower
And when he knew for certain
Only drowning men could see him
He said "All men will be sailors then
Until the sea shall free them"
But he himself was broken
Long before the sky would open
Forsaken, almost human
He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone
And you want to travel with him
And you want to travel blind
And you think maybe you'll trust him
For he's touched your perfect body with his mind
Now Suzanne takes your hand
And she leads you to the river
She is wearing rags and feathers
From Salvation Army counters
And the sun pours down like honey
On Our Lady of the Harbour
And she shows you where to look
Among the garbage and the flowers
There are heroes in the seaweed
There are children in the morning
They are leaning out for love
And they will lean that way forever
While Suzanne holds the mirror
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>>100882871
Jason Molina
Elliott Smith
Mark Kozelek
Blind Willie McTell
Tommy Johnson
Skip Spence
Jeff Tweedy
Townes Van Zandt
Neil Young
John Prine
Paul Westerberg
Paul Simon
Lou Reed
Lowell George
Tom Verlaine
>>100883076
John Martyn also brilliant, very underrated on /mu
>>100899415
A fucking genius but probably not mellow enough for OP (except for 'Mother of Earth')
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>>100882871
John Prine
Tom Waits
Sam Bean
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jackson c frank
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>>100901443
paul simon gets weirdly little respect, but i get it. didn't trade on his persona. very little hillbilly in his singing style. just a fantastic composer and lyricist. born a pudgy jew and will die that way too.
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>>100882871
>I always loved you
>Love dumpling
>Your shit's like chocolate cake
>And your ass smells like a rose
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Daniel Johnston
he is a fucking genius
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>>100882871
Nick Cave
Tom Waits
Leonard Cohen
Joni Mitchell
Neil Young
Lisa Germano
David Thomas
Nico
Bruce Springsteen
Tori Amos
Van Morrison
Rickie Lee Jones
Annette Peacock
Townes Van Zandt
Laura Nyro
Patti Smith
Terry Garthwaite
Paul Simon
Lou Reed
Loreena McKennitt
Warren Zevon
Mary Margaret O'Hara
Mark Kozelek
Richard Thompson
Liz Phair
Polly Harvey
Randy Newman
Sinead O'Connor
Gram Parsons
Natalie Merchant
Jackson Browne
Nick Drake
Buddy Holly
Gordon Lightfoot
Tom Rapp
Donovan
Stan Ridgway
Magnetic Fields
John Hiatt
Kate Bush
Michael Krassner
Smog
David Peel
Bjork
Alanis Morissette
David Bowie
Joan Armatrading
David Ackles
Phoebe Snow
Tara Jane O'Neil
Nanci Griffith
Ani DiFranco
Lida Husik
John Martyn
Robbie Robertson
Edith Frost
Emmylou Harris
Neil Diamond
Lauryn Hill
Elvis Costello
Jeff Buckley
Melissa Etheridge
Suzanne Vega
Cat Power
Bruce Cockburn
Carole King
Maria McKee
James Taylor
Carly Simon
Billy Joel
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>>100882871
What does the fox say?
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>>100902247
>born a pudgy jew and will die that way too.
kek
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>>100883238
if you like granny shit
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>>100899321
Lol so you had to take Dyland best song and Joni's half joking jingle bells song. Go find anything off Hejira or Hissing or For The Roses or indeed Blue

Dylan can't even do love songs because no one can hear a whiny jew



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