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Previous thread: >>39731290

Current meeting place for the newest edition of >CLOP, a decade old browser game about building nations, geopolitics, and oppressing ponies. Join now and start making connections.

Still in a test server for the sake of quashing bugs and making sure everything's running as it should. Whole thing may or may not be reset at some point, but unlikely. There might be a poll in the future. But given how far we've come and how invested people are, very unlikely.

>Link to the game itself
https://4clop.com/

Link to the test server. This has 30minute ticks. Every tick is a war tick, and no travel time. Feel free to make multiple accounts there, and experiment with the war mechanics
https://test.4clop.com

>So why'd the game die the first time around?
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1_nTxC7Ci_x2mYV6hLhXtj7m5488XgEYT6M8phQESjiQ/mobilebasic
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ANCHOR POST FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

Current plans & announcements:
https://github.com/Host-Anon-CLOP/CLOP/issues
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ANCHOR POST FOR DRAWFAGS

If you want to draw comissions of pony art, both sfw and nsfw, for in-game resources - announce that you are open and submit finished pieces here!
Make sure to include examples, your in-game name/nation and your expected pricing.
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Jewbird, I've come to bargain.
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>>39734807
why would anyone bargain with jewbird he is losing and theyre not in any position to win so ir would be in theyre best intrest to put more pressure on him until he disbands his entire alliance and gives up
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>offboarder Dashflaggot returns
And the thread has gone to shit already.
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This dumbass redditor makes me ashamed of being a dashfag myself.
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>>39734835
if you feel ashamed for being a dashfag you show no loyallty and you don't deserve her she is the element of lpyallty it's that simple but whatever
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>>39734847
I hope that you're trolling.
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>>39734675
I endorse this message
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i'm interested to know how you guys see your nations i think mine is about 30% unicorns 60% pegasus and 7% earth ponies and the last 3% are other creatures such as drafons and griffons although if my first nation dies i might make my next one a more creature focused
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I think we have to accept that the dashflaggot is an unironic autist. Anyone merely pretending to this extent can't be just merely pretending.
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>>39734880
100% breedable mares
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>>39734880
these guys
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>>39734933
I want to rub their bellies so bad
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I'm trying to plan out my city so far this is how it is shapeing up. the upper city is mostly just governmental buildings and the bank it is also where the queen pegasus lives and rules over the other ponies.
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>>39734970
I want to ride on the mare highway, if you know what i'm saying
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>>39734982
the road is cobblestone so i dont blame you it is decades old and many mares walk it to on on their spirit quest to find the ones they love and sometimes gain the ability to astral project after walking it
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>>39734993
you don't know what i'm saying...
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>>39734993
Another based astral projection anon?
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>>39735007
Yeah i been studying for about 1 and 50% decades now and I once projected myself into equestria where i met my wife(rainbow dash) now we are married and link spirtually i might make a guide if anyone wants to know how
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>>39735021
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>>39733144
>>39733648
>I'll share the logs once the current attack is resolved, so you get an idea of the kind of things you will be dealing with

bytesol is kill, rip
logs about the ruling on the initial peace deal https://files.catbox.moe/tgtfqa.txt
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>>39735193
>TNNfags are arguing against Rule 4
Wait so... they WANT to allow scorched earth tactics?
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>>39735193
Mare is dead!
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>>39735193
>[2:06 AM]HostAnon: i'm waiting for the thread to go nuts when someone is finally conquered
Great. And a drama whore to boot.
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https://ponepaste.org/8724
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>>39735380
wtf I ran this and my ip got doxxed
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We will be supporting defensive efforts by providing resources as necessary. To avoid breaching any NAPs, we will not support any offensive action, and will not be providing any troops; as such, none of our actions will be aggression in any way. To avoid sustaining losses caused indirectly through our aid, any aggressing attackers may simply withdraw their attack.
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So let me get this straight niggers. You all cried about how TNN gonna steamroll poor Bytesol and helpless Bloc, how we must rise against transnigger tyranny of discordfags... And you lifted not one finger to help him defend against them. Sending him troops? Nobody did that. Sending him resources or deals? Nobody did that, after all these talks of unity and standing up. Not even his own alliance, because of which he came under fire. Tells a lot about the quality of the alliance that will let you just die under the enemy attack. But of course they cry about needing help while ditching their own.
You absolute retarts and bafoons. Do you think the troops that took Detrot just disappered after meeting exactly zero resistance? Yeah they will march onto the next and next target until you faggots will fucking stand up to them. But you won't because you're either kikes caring only about bits or can only troll in this shitfucked thread.
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>>39735516
he wouldn't respond to dms for the last day, we wanted to help him.
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>>39735516
Yeah I dunno what bird is doing, there's a pretty big pool of resources waiting for him whenever he wakes the fuck up
Maybe he's ragequitting the game as well, though he was so adamant on fighting that I would have assumed he'd have at least orchestrated his last battles before leaving.

For now I'm gonna assume he got suddenly busy IRL or something. There's still some more days to wait while the future attacks resolve, since every attack takes some time to move between nations
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>>39735516
tried to help but neither jewbird nor bytesol answered me
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>>39735535
Honestly not gonna be surprised if jewbird gonna use all the resources only to defend himself.
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>>39735516
this >>39735525 >>39735542
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>offboarder thread
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>>39735516
Detrot went dark and refused to respond to messages. His resources were running a deficit so I assume he just up and left.
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>>39735516
Been trying to send him resources for a couple days. No responses.
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>>39735584
He bought oil from me about 18 hours ago, so if he bailed it must've been recently. Did nobody help him before that?
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>>39735590
>>39735596
I also messaged him days ago.
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>>39735516
>desperatly sending messages to jewbird
>literally no response
>massive supply reserves and cash reserves to give
About 3/4ths of the game supports the block/anyone against TNN. They just have to actively reply to messages. Why didn't YOU help him?
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>>39735516
I tried to help, but his responses on CLOP went from normal to slow to none at all...
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detrot has been pretty inactive for the past week, responding anything you send him once a day if you are lucky
nobody in the bloc should be surprised by this
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Jesus H. can a nigga get some pies in the market
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>>39735627
sure
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>>39735602
>>39735600
>>39735590
>>39735584
>>39735565
>>39735542
>astroturfing this hard
Ok blocfags
>>39735602
>bout 3/4ths of the game supports the block/anyone against TNN
TNN+puppets is about 1/4 of the game, and some us hate both of you.
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>>39735623
We are surprised about the Bird's unresponsiveness
Only two days ago or so he was actively drawing up battle plans, calling up his allies for aid and generally declaring his intentions to fight to the last. I even spent time dicussing potential alternatives to minimise damage for the Bloc if the fight was deemed hopeless, but he seemed adamant in his decision to fight.
Then he went near-silent out of nowhere.

>>39735631
>blocfags
Again the discussion is about jewbird himself, you cuck, we're trying to help the bloc
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>>39735638
Unfortunately the Bird got exhausted from all this. We were grasping at straws trying to figure out how to defend Bytesol and without him cooperating, well, we couldn't really do anything. Doesn't help that not everyone wants to do war calculations and the work was unevenly offloaded on a few people (mainly the Bird). This game isn't made for everyone.
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>>39735638
>jewbird
>unreliable
What a fucking surprise
Bloc will be a loss as an alliance but that kike can go die in a fire
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Someone buy my damn copper, I'm broke
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>>39735630
Salamalekum brother you did deliver, and at what a price!
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Bad news, the lower residential district blew up when a factory exploded in the heavy industry district we are now 25% unicorns, 80% pegasus and 5% others.
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>>39735647
>Unfortunately the Bird got exhausted from all this
The Bird, again, had various alternatives available to him for taking the inevitable loss, minimising damages, and making the best of things for long-term viability.
He insisted on fighting with such vigour, and now he gets burnt our right before the fight? If that's really what's happened, that's pathetic. After committing, the least he could've done is actually play out the battle, accept everyone's showering of resources and build the units and watch what happens, and THEN dip.

>>39735648
I'm starting to think this way, too. He talked the talk, and for most of the game backed it up by also actually acting in kind and rising to the top (of the non-oldfags), but if he just drops the ball at the most crucial moment that'll be a total undoing of all the confidence and friendship he'd tried to cultivate.
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>>39735650
>only 20k listings
"no"
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>>39735665
>20k listings
thats a rip off if anyone needs copper I can trade you 1 per 5 apples/oils
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>>39735661
He's only one new guy trying to fight back. Sure you guys supported him with resources, but that's about it. Just resources. And you forget Bytesol wasn't cooperating so we had no idea if he was going to even defend. Kept insisting all he had were thoughts and prayers.
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>>39735669
>1:5
dashfag...
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>>39735671
>He's only one new guy trying to fight back
He's the only new guy who absolutely refused an NAP with the big steamrolling faction, AND absolutely refused any of the other options except head-on defense.
So he basically went
>yes I'll defend!
>yes send me your resources I'll build an army and counter-attack!
>no I'm not gonna scuttle my obviously doomed alliance and maximise resource recovery, I'm gonna get everyone to fight and I'll build the armies and send them head-on against Tir in an all-out defense!
>w-waaah building an army is tiring I am burned out...

Again I'll wait for his personal word, but if this is actually what happened, you don't get to complain that it's difficult when you rejected all alternatives and signed up to do it all yourself.
>And you forget Bytesol wasn't cooperating so we had no idea if he was going to even defend
Bytesol is just one nation, who wasn't even very active, and is probably understandably salty that he joined a trade organisation - without even participating in the chats in the IRC - and got caught in a crossfire of a massive war.
Even with Bytesol being unresponsive, there's still the entire rest of the alliance that Bird whipped up into standing together behind him and defending, and Tir's attacks will continue. Just because Bytesol fell doesn't mean that it's time to just give up and quit the game. Not to mention that, after you summon aid from a bunch of allies, it couldn't hurt to spend 5 seconds writing them a message to inform them what's going on rather than just radio silence.
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>>39735682
it has been working so far. i do 4 copper per 1 part also
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>>39735669
>1:5 apples
The super Mario Audacity of this man
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>>39735689
Friendship is magic. Allies are, well, I don't know. But I do know allies aren't magic.
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>>39735692
i'm a trader i always trade up it may seems like a lot but i need to leave my self room to trade up with other people you know i dont intend on ripping people off so no bad blood between us
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>>39735669
KEK
Want me to bend over and spread my cheeks for you also? That's the kind of offer I'm looking at right now.
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>>39735696
whatever ballar dont come crying to me when you need copper you could of made a deal with me i accept anything i even accepted gems once and i dont' even use them but i bet i can probably trade them for a profit
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is anyone making flags for people if they are please post your name i really want a flag fpr my nation and everything i make in paint looks bad
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>>39735699
Punctuation, my dear dashfag, would help you greatly. I'm not going to do a deal that is quite literally a 10k markup from the seller's marketplace. 1:3 ratio would actually be good.
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>>39735707
honest question is english your native language? no bad blood and no bullyment when i am actually curious
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>>39735712
I do not care if you speak 20 languages ESL chan. You learn to speak English properly.
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>>39735721
>ESL
i was born and rised in the uk we invented english 1000 years ago maybe you shouldnt tell us how to speak it food for thought but whatever
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>>39735728
How much have you rised?
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>tir-bloc talk starts dwindling
>quick, we need new bait to keep this thread on the first page
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>>39735734
literally dying game
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>>39735734
We would just be bumping it, nigger
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>>39735736
>Active player count rising each day
>Dead game
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>>39735738
>sockpuppet accounts with similar naming conventions
>"active players"
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Who do I reach out to in TNN about defecting from the bloc?
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>>39735741
Feel free to point those out so Hostanon can ban them
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>>39735742
Message their alliance leader probably
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If I make a saddle Arabian islamist alliance, would anyone join?
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>>39735832
There's already been like two or three of these, with 1-2 members each time
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>>39735852
You're right. Bugfag alliance is a better idea.
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>>39735861
Indeed, I've been looking for one and/or have been thinking of making one soon
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>>39735866
Most bugfags I know are in DL currently.
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>>39735869
Indeed
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>>39734819
All of these generals are offboard colonies. This is the future you chose. Nigger
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>>39735881
most, this unironically.
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>>39735734
>>39735736
>Threads return to the previous level of activity before major happening
>Literally dying
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>>39735881
>people that were previously on the board are now off-boarders for playing this game because there are discordfags in it
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>>39734810
That's precisely the best time to offer to bargain with someone, though. You can impose the most devlish of terms.
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>>39735380
>>39734796
nice script
this changes the messages system to have conversation threads with each person
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1 mil for pies, do I even need to tell you to kys?
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>>39736914
I didn't know jewbird was in the pie business?
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>>39736914
make your own if you buy pies and dont have a bakery idk what to even tell you at this point like it shoould be one of the first things you make since they are required for almost every sat building. if you need pies i can sell you them for 3/resources per pie
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>>39736914
After seeing this post I decided to join the pie business at a insanely discounted price of only 999 thousand 999 bits
Don't mind the extra crunchiness, crystals are good for your health, surely...it's not our main occupation, please be understanding. But it's still good though, the best even!
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>>39736938
>crystals are good for your health
they really are just being around them allows your spirit to bind with the astral plane easier consuming them would be even better i would imagine
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>>39736914
Just for you, I put up some 30k pies
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>>39736946
fellow dashflaggot please stop making the rest of us look bad. Especially when you talk about astral projection in a thread about pony nation simulators
>first letters in captcha are KYS
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>>39737323
maybe you should read what the another person brought up and i was jsut adding on to what they said about crystals whatever I made your nation unfriendly in game.
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>>39736946
>they really are just being around them allows your spirit to bind with the astral plane easier consuming them would be even better i would imagine
Low IQ mongoloids have some very interesting takes on spirituality
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>>39737371
The worst part is he's not even wrong, he just talks like a retard and talks about Spirituality in a thread dedicated to a pony simulator game. If he really wants to talk so badly about it maybe he should just go in the discord and talk or hell make his own thread about the topic of astral projection. It's been probably a good while since we had an /mlp/-/x/ related thread anyways. He should go do something productive like that and leave this thread alone
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>>39737371
you shouldn't knock it until you try it i used it to project and collect infomation the bloc and the racist league it may seem low iq but its very real and a good strategy
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>>39737375
He is wrong, his post demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of the subject matter. Horsefuckers and bronies general have a very narrow minded and consequently stilted view on the occult. You're right in that this isn't the thread, so I won't make any more posts about it.
>>39737378
Sure thing retard
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I haven't laughed this hard in a while. What insights have your astral projection given you into the nature of the bloc?
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>>39737390
they are working with the racist league more than they appear and secretly have a pact they call the dominion where they poll on plans they also have plans on extending it to other alliances to protect everyone I will astral project again soon to get the details and see them mroe refined
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>>39737375
can confirm dash tard, this is why crowns were affixed with gems and such
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>>39737409
Wrong. I'm in the DL and you're a moron if you think you gained that insight from a fucking crystal or astral projection.
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>>39737421
the visions are hazey so it is still unclear whta i saw but all i saw war and death of many mares if the block is not destroyed
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>>39737409
Hey Hostanon, can we get a rule against astral projecting for information? It seems very unfair this unique gift can be abused by only select people.
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>>39737428
Alright folks, the local wizard has called for destruction of the Bloc. Let's get on it.
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>>39737428
You don't know shit about the state of the DL. The shit you said could have been made up by anybody just with the information in this and the previous threads. Multiple people have speculated and come to the conclusion that the DL and the bloc are colluding. You've said nothing new.
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>>39737432
skill issue
we should have dashfag write a guide on astral projection to spy, and include it in-game so it's fair for all players
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not how it works retard
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>>39737459
Placing a curse on you right now
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>>39734796
added 'feedback' to headers, where you can submit feature requests, bug reports and the like

it will also will show up in that header if in-game polls are underway
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>>39737483
BLANK BAR IS LONG FIX REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>39737491
which headers should be moved, and what should they be moved under?
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>>39737496
Maybe merge search, stats and the feedback header?
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everyone in this thread is so mad about dumb shit it's unreal
anyways buy my fucking drugs i need to fund my environment-destroying oil refinery
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>>39737521
Fuck you, I'll be angry about the astral projection advantage if I damn well please.
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>>39737521
I am angry about you in particular anon. I refuse to buy anything from a canadian.
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>>39737535
skill issue desu
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>>39737521
Just sell them cheap. There's a reason everybody always buys my apples up. Doesn't matter if it crashes the market either BTW =)
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>national turned 21
>nobody attacks
You told me TNN would steamroll me the second I turn legal
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>>39737914
nation name?
asking for a friend
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>>39737920
Stop it with the antisemitic questions
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THE GLOVE HAS BEEN TOSSED
PEACE NO MORE!!
NO MERCY!!
AFTER TIR (YOU)'RE NEXT!!!
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>>39737213
Hmm would be good to respond to literally any messages then
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Acting as what?
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>>39737934
May Tia have mercy on their reddity souls, send it
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>>39737934
>ATK
>DEF
At least learn the game you're meant to be playing if you wanna try making jokes about fake units
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>>39738464
That thing would trade with a single scrounged cavalry lmfao
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>>39738464
>being anal about knowing how the game works
OK TNN, would be nice if you went ahead and lead another faction against the other oldfags instead of conspiring against a bunch of puzzled newfags.
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>>39738577
At this point I doubt many of the newfags would accept "help" from TNN
Except maybe actual newfags to the thread who've missed the entire history so far, I guess
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>>39738464
>being this serious
This is why the game isn't fun
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>>39738607
this shit's already over, just waiting for the pieces to fall over and for anons to leave one by one.
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>>39738577
>Conspiring
Only one faction had done any conspiring, the one currently getting their shit pushed in.
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>>39738625
>it's all over
>players leave
meanwhile 94 active players in the last 24 hours
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>>39738625
You keep posting this, and yet the player count keeps climbing.
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>>39738645
>>39738646
>after 6 minutes 2 replies in the same 20 seconds
TNN discord screenshot link moment
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>>39738650
So, no actual rebuttal then? Kek
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>>39738660
Your schiso ramblings weren't posted anywhere in TNN discord you retard
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>>39738660
>why is no one responding to my shitty bait?
>h-heh, I'll definitely get some (You)s if I double down
Happy now?
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Jewbird you fuck answer me!
I offered you some resources so you can actually fucking defend TNNiggers yet you said you will send the deal and there is none!
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>>39738899
This
>jewbird talks about what resources he might need
>promise him a shitton of stuff that I have
>he never sends a deal and goes quasi-silent for like two days
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>>39738979
>>39738899
He is consulting with the elder jews.
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Maybe he found out leading an alliance in this game is a lot more responsibility than it looks in the worst possible way.
Maybe he'll start playing as, at most, a lieutenant for someone else, someone capable of dealing with the pressure and willing to spend more time on this autism condenser of a game.
If he keeps playing, that is.
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So is there nothing we can do to convince TNN to leave jewbird alone at this point?
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>>39739156
>jewbird refused initial NAP with TNN
>jewbird planned in IRC to stage a proxy war with TNN while outright invading smaller targets
>jewbird refused peace deal with TNN (it was bad, but one would think it's possible to do negotiations and diplomacy)
>jewbird said that he could take on TNN with all the support
>now he maintains radio silence while doing jackshit about his and his allience defence
>"B-but why wouldn't TNN leave him alone?"
He dug his own grave and dug deeper and now he can lie in it.
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>>39739216
desu that is top-notch jew roleplay
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>>39739216
This, what flabbergasts me the most though is that he isn't even taking (almost) any of the support offered
Even Israel is more than happy to deepthroat dozens of billions in aid yearly
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Wow, if I had half the confidence you guys have to price apples like this I'd overdose, cmon, what the hell are these prices you know your shit ain't worth that.
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>>39739304
Just downright peculiar...
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do we know who TNN is attacking next yet?
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>>39739857
(you)
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Why are so many bloc members going into stasis?
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>>39739880
Can't be attacked in stasis
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>>39739880
avoiding war?
thought I thought anyone leaving the bloc is safe, so it doesn't make sense to me. this is just costing resources that could covertly oppose TNN
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>>39740117
who is that friendship convoy heading towards?
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>>39740117
Get fucked, nerd
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>>39740180
Jewbird
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>>39740225
friendship is mandatory, as it should be
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>>39740117
>tutorial is ~900 units
>subsequent wave 1 and 2 combined are less than half that
interesting balance
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>>39740272
Ah, but the total enemies that they have to defend against are the number from the tutorial boss plus the other two waves. You could interpret this as the extra waves of the tutorial, or simply each wave including the previous waves for its own proper total.
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>>39740294
No, I disagree. The two subsequent armies are called "Adds wave 1" and "Adds wave 2". Ergo, each army in itself comprises wave 1 and wave 2 respectively, since sending each army "added" that wave to the total attack.

It also makes no sense to send waves of normal enemies after the boss, so the only reasonable interpretation is that the boss ends the tutorial and the "waves" are supposed to be the post-tutorial difficulty.
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>>39740305
Nah, they're adds, aka a term for nuisance enemies spawned by the boss, they're part of the same boss fight.
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>>39740343
Oh, huh, I've never seen that term before. Yeah that makes more sense honestly, fair enough then.
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So what happens after Jewbird is killed?
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>>39740481
The next name on the list will die. Then the next. And the next after that again. You get the idea.
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>>39740502
List is getting pretty short, bloc is down to 8 members
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>top message
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>>39740588
TNN should've spared ShekelBird's slaves and just offer them to join a TNN-aligned alliance or leave 1st Trade Bloc and see them leave like flies under threat of invasion. But I guess this is good too. They even offered to give Trade Bloc an NAP like they did the other alliances but they refused.
Goebel could've played it right had he been more secretive and put up a front of friendliness like most sane leaders would but he was open about everything and it cost him his alliance.
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>>39740715
>he was open about everything
he tried to appear somewhere from friendly to neutral, while planning war
it wasn't rejecting the NAP that caused this, it was the IRC leaks that the bloc was planning war on TNN no matter what eventually. And until then some kind of uneasy truce so the bloc could attack weaker alliances
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>>39740715
We actually did tell them to leave the bloc for safety, that's probably why so many have left already
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>>39740723
I'm aware of that, but relatively speaking when it comes to leading an alliance of nations/members he was probably the most idiotic person to lead a coalition/planned attack against TNN. He didn't hide his tracks at all. If stuff he said got leaked then he was too open.
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I refuse the offer.
I will die, my honor tell me to not betray my alliance.
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>>39741132
Personally, I would do as they say and plot my revenge. But you do you.
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>>39741132
>lol I guess we're steamrolling now
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>>39741166
Did you expect them to not kill everybody in the alliance they're at war with or something?
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>>39740117
Never forget the aggressor in this fight.
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Here you go Jewbird, at least try and defend
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>>39741380
I put some numbers down and ran a test, defense is not unlikely. The most obvious thing in this first iteration is the excess of unicorns, this can and will be lowered. I will likely write on my strategic observations in addition to the revamped war guide I'm writing.
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Once the Bloc is wiped, it won't be long before you're mandated to build DNA Extraction Facilities, with failure to do so meaning destruction or capture.
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>>39741443
i'll help with DNA insertion facilities, if you know what I mean
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>>39741443
Bro the guy is buying each DNA at 20K, selling DNA is just profitable, regardless of your opinion of tnn.
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>>39741443
This is not exactly a super oppressive thing even if it happens.
"Oh hey, build the stuff they let's me beat the game and leave so you are free from the supergiant oppressive nation"
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>>39741456
>implying they'll leave
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>>39741465
dna is used for ascention, and that kills your nation putting you in the leaderboard for it
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>>39741469
Does it stop them from making a new nation?
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>>39741472
don't think so, but would be starting from scratch rather than built up
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>>39741443
Have you read the logs? If the Bloc isn't wiped out we won't be building shit, because we'll be farmed out of the game. Thankfully they're clearly losing badly
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Ascension process as I understood from code diving.
1. Build a Forbidden Research Facility for 1000 copper, 300 machinery parts, and 300 precision parts.
2. Collect 4000 DNA (48,000 total) from each sub-region.
3. Wait 200 turns for it to process into 200 forbidden research.
4. This unlocks the "Alicorn Elite" government type for 1,000 tungsten, 1,000 precision parts, and 1,000 machinery parts, and 3 Billion bits. It has several actions that happen upon converting:

-SAT cap raised to 5,000
-All nations in the empire adopt the type
-6.0x GDP multiplier regardless of SAT
-Debuff for having too many nations in a single empire is reduced by 1/3
-An Alicornification Facility is provided that drains 100 Energy and 50 Apples per tick, and provides one Apotheosis Serum
-A constant relationship penalty with both the NLR and SE that starts and -10 and decreases by one per tick
This is the point of no return, as a constant relationship penalty never maxes out and will insure war with both superpowers.

5. After 30 Apotheosis Serum is amassed, the "Transponyism" government type can be chosen, along with requiring 2,000 tungsten, 2,000 precision parts, and 2,000 machinery parts, and 5 Billion bits.

-SAT cap raised to 7,000
-All nations in empire adopt the type
-Two more Alicornification Facilities are given, requiring a total of 300 Energy and 150 Apples per tick, for 3 Apotheosis Serum

6. The final step requires 100 Apotheosis Serum, 10,000 composites, 5,000 precision parts, and 5,000 machinery parts, and 8 Billion bits, all that's left to do is build the space ship and win.
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>>39741483
So there's nothing stopping them from coming back to keep fucking with us.
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>>39741546
That is just normal gameplay
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>>39741536
So lore wise basically the entire populace turns into alicorns and leave the world for another?
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>>39741654
>So lore wise basically the entire populace turns into alicorns and leave the world for another?
yup. that would be compounds, the sequel game which hasn't been resurrected. not many people liked it
essentially you had to ascend in clop to make an alliance on compounds, and everything there was about alliances, you couldn't play without one
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>>39741664
>you couldn't play without one
Kinda dumb concept to be honest.
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For new players having trouble choosing an alliance choose the bloc. We're having a pizza party down in the sewers tonight and we're having fun down here. calabunga
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>>39741831
should you encourage noobs to join an alliance currently at war?
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>>39741834
How else would they win? They are clearly hoping for some cannon fodder.
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>>39741838
Not even cannon fodder, just war slaves that can't be attacked for three weeks.
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I think we should start drafting an agreement for the offboarder oldfags regarding their distribution in alliances once the server resets.
Some claim they will absolutely disperse so as to avoid game-ending concentration of power, but we know they are all chummy with each other. An example we could demand they agree to is no more than 2 of them in any one alliance, and no defense pacts or closer between their alliances for at least the first 3 months of the server's life.
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>>39742256
Would be an acceptable price if it means getting rid of the discordfags.
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>>39742300
>demand
kek
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Total Nog death
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>>39741132
>Bloc propaganda is incorrect, we have no intention of attacking any other alliance
waiting for TNN to attack everyone who sent resources to bird as "aggressors" or something lmao
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>>39742300
No I think the better solution is to just have everyone else go into a "we destroy the discordfags" pact from the start, now that we know their true colors
With people having actually played the game for a bit now, the difference in speed won't be THAT stark anymore, and they shouldn't be able to just defeat literally everyone else
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>>39742664
>Be in free market
>Be a successful entrepreneur
>Birdie bought your resources
>Be annexed by discordniggers
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>>39742675
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>>39742675
>TNN already running psyops for post-reset
>Get the noobs to think they can fight back because they're "already experienced"
>Secure aggressors they can annex before the game has even started
C'mon, TNNbros, take it easy on the newfags. It's getting embarrassing.
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>>39741669
Entire server was still dripping from the prolapsed anuses that Aryanne gave them when they made compounds. Pretty sure the entire game was just a giant cope from losing to him lmao.
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A generous buy offer for machine and vehicle parts for 15k per part! Fill now and get your bits!
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>>39743172
>Generous buy offer
>15k
>Copper is usually at 13.9k
lol
lmao
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>>39743172
>generous
>15k
lol lmao, 20k each for parts is bottom line
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>>39743305
It costs a prze 300 to make a part, it's good profit, especially if you have a zigger provider
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>>39743357
the cost is in energy. unless you are also providing the oil/apples for them to burn and consume to balance out the energy/sat loss
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>>39743357
>it's good profit, especially if you have a zigger provider
Why yes, it is good profit, if you completely ignore the cost of oil and copper, and don't care that you could get far more value from a trade or even by selling on the marketplace.
I wouldn't accept less than 30k, and even that is "wasting my time" territory
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>>39743172
Very generous indeed.
Of me that is. I only sold because your teammate sold me copper for a decent price when all the other damned ziggers are demanding 10k+
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>>39743373
>30k waste of time territory
I can relate. Anything higher than that is waste of bits, I'd rather burn 30k of currency and manufacture parts myself than feed a przewalskian.
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If one was to trade parts for a common good, like copper, what ratio would be fair?
My guess would be something like 8:1 or so but I could be off.
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>>39743621
12:1
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>>39743631
>12:1
The audacity of this bitch
10:1 is literally the ceiling and anything below is generosity
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>>39743621
>>39743631
>>39743660
I've been trading my copper for parts at 3:1 for weeks now. Don't fall for these scams zebrabros.
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>>39743621
I barter copper for other goods. I have a few trade partners with slightly different rates. I try and use the better deals where possible, but it depends largely on who is available
apple:copper (3 to 5):1
oil:copper (2 to 3):1
parts:copper 1:(2 to 3)

so to clarify, for 1 copper i'll get from 3 to 5 apples, depending on which of my trade partners the deal is with
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>>39743668
Bet you need that oil to not get blisters on your perpetually rubbing claws.
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>>39743667
I pity the stupid Przes that trade with you
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>>39743705
can't have the poyim discussing their trades. those who are getting jewed might realize
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>>39743712
And I pity the dumb asses that think parts are worth more than 5 of their basic resource per.
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>>39743733
5 might be acceptable, 3 is absolute crap though, especially since one is required to make the part in the first place.
Factor in energy cost and you realize that poor pretzel is getting robbed.
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>>39743803
Good.
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>>39743803
Oh, I get the confusion. I pay the 3 to actually make the parts. I provide the required copper/gems/tungsten to use as material myself.
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>>39743803
copper @ 14k
parts @ 45k
ignoring taxes, that's roughly a 3:1 ratio. anyone paying much more than that is feeding the jews

though copper is trading higher than oil/appul, so check for your own resource type
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>>39743668
Fuck, I've been getting jewed this whole time.
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Goose, my beloved. Please come back. I miss you.
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>>39743886
how badly?
przes gonna prze
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>>39743886
My fren, would you like to join an alliance instead of getting cucked this whole time?
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>>39743939
inb4 they're getting jewed by their alliance
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>>39743884
Those are sell orders and they can be whatever. The fact is my buy orders are met even at 2k per copper.

>>39743886
You're not getting jewed, now get back in the mine!
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>>39743884
45k parts anon here, I myself keep to that mentality of 3:1 and always keeping to a fair price based on the last 4 ticks or spots, and if no one buys at the moment then I'm not going to just drop the price and leave them there
Maybe I should rise the base trade to 4... ^:)

>>39743947
No one ever puts fair priced requests there though, honestly gave up on it myself
And you can thank your alliance for the 2k orders filling, surely
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>>39744006
>And you can thank your alliance for the 2k orders filling, surely
NTA but I find people randomly filling my 1k orders sometimes. not in an alliance
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test
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>>39744019
The entire order or like 5? That's only happened to me once and I took as a joke from apple sellers giving taste testing or something
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>>39744025
icles
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>>39744019
I used to do that when I had a small GDP so that I could get some quick bits to post a listing
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>>39744025
failed
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>>39744035
today was 80 oil / 25 machine part / 25 vehicle part, all randomly filled by people buying up small noob orders to help out
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>>39743942
There is no jewery or whatever in my alliance, the name alliances has been tainted unfortunately and apparently the connotations of normal beneficial alliances seems gone
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It's honestly impressive how some of you can price copper like this, anything consisntley over 14k just rots on the shelf and you know it.
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>>39744265
prze claws typed this post
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>>39744265
Basically yea, I try to only buy way below that
Last two days I was getting for more, so I'm part of the problem, but been on an emergency too, so
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>Want to become a free market
>Everyone in alliance talking about being state controlled in the future
It hurts
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>>39744899
poorly defined economy chads keep winning
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>>39742675
For what it's worth, TNN hasn't even been trying. In a previous incarnation an alliance called MEPH got to the level of enviros in a week or so. And previous TNNs have ascended before noob protection wore off. You'd just get crushed even harder in a reset if you were obviously antagonistic.
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>>39745073
Why even play
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>>39745127
>Why even play
mares
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>>39743631
Jewbird back at it again!
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>>39745073
Just invest into a spy network
Get a spy in tnn, get crucial info on production, stockpiles and plans
Plan accordingly
Stockpile shit
Don't be a solo nigger thinking he can oneshot an entire alliance
And you might have a chance
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>>39745127
This >>39745135
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>>39745073
>You'd just get crushed even harder in a reset if you were obviously antagonistic
in a reset tnn should break up into smaller factions. the oldfag civil war would be much more fun
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>>39745344
>implying there will be a reset
>implying oldfags won't NAP each other
>implying TNN discorrdfags leave discord and won't coordinate their trade and defenses while being in different alliances
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>>39745127
That's what I've been wondering for a while. And it looks like there's no reason to touch this game at all.
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War tick in ~4 hours. This is the second iteration of a defensive composition, any feedback?
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>>39745423
I'm too much of a brainlet to speak on the matter. Either that or the current war guide doesn't make any sense. You figure the displayed forces are enough to endure TNN's attack? That doesn't honestly too horribly expensive given it's against a doomsday army, though it might be hard for JewBird to get resources at this time of day. It's mostly just a shit ton of copper and a couple billion bits. Does anyone know how much he has on hand?
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>>39745447
It might come down to weapons manufacturing: gems, plastics, and tungsten. Of course, he'll need other resources to maintain basic upkeep on top of the army, as well as extra to maintain his sat. He has to actually build his attacking force in ~4 hours, so it might be worth shooting him a message if you're looking to give some resources yourself.
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>>39745453
I'm a sand zigger, not the regular kind. I don't have any of that stuff. Sure hope he can pull it off though.
If you're reading this, JewBird, good luck. And if you lose, try again. You might wish to change your name, but I urge you to come back, join one of the other alliances as just another anon, and help them take down TNN. If you fall today, we'll need your help to break them tomorrow.
Oh, and you'd probably have more support if you promised to scrub your event log somehow. Maybe just spam small deals with a scapegoat so that we don't wind up dead right away if you fail.
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Another iteration has been developed, is there any anon that can provide feedback?
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Welp, weapons cost a lot of copper. Unless I get more, defense is improbable.
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>>39745636
If my numbers are correct, I will require 9055 copper, 690 gems, and 155 plastics to finish the proposed defense. I also go to work soon enough.
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>>39745659
I believe in you birb!
\o/
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>>39745636
>>39745659
Buy orders listed, if it is any incentive we can talk about deferred payments I owe after I survive.
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>>39745666

For anyone considering donating, feel free, I have no plans to attack donors to the bird at this time

it'll just make it even more hilarious when I send a bigger army tomorrow
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>>39745666
>we can talk about deferred payments I owe after I survive
TNN fund their defense, demand crazy interest jewing the jew with bad deals
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>>39745666
Where are the orders, birb? I would throw in some copper
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>>39745757
If you were honest you'd have already thrown in instead of concern trolling like that, as I've seen the offer there for over an hour
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>>39745844
I have checked it and there is none since the moment "orders open" was posted
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And the Bird survives!

well done mate! I didn't expect you to pull it off.

best of luck for the rest of war too.
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>>39745855
Buy order under 'Friendistan'
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>>39745926
Can you see 'Friendistan" on the copper buyer's request market?
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>>39745938
Go back and lie to your dicksword faggots nigger
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>>39745855
are you embargoed perhaps?
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>>39745964
Seems like I was. Can see him now.
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bump
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I'm Star Expedition, diplomatic of the Bloc.
I humble ask for you help to this war.
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>page 10
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>>39747229
dead game
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>>39747229
don't bump it let it stay on discord.
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>>39745887
To be fair, he survived just the first wartick. There are still attacking units left on the battlefield that will continue the battle on the next wartick. So he's not in the clear yet. Dunno but there's possibly more underway.
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>>39747327
Its clear he's on borrowed time if no other Anons can begin to put pressure on Tir directly, as Friendistan has very high GDP and is therefore very lucrative to continuously attack.
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>>39747229
Looks like it's fucked, chief.
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>>39747327

I mean I'm the guy attacking him, I knew what was on the way

And he's survived again!

He's doing very well so far, we'll see how long he can keep it up I guess
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Hey hostanon, if I got myself banned and we eventually wipe, would you wipe the ban?
:^)
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>>39748718
What crime have you committed
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>>39748721
Nothing... Yet
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>>39748718
probably not. showing leniency for cheating just encourages more of it. especially if it's multi-fagging since that kills the game
if you have found an exploit or something, doing it to confirm the bug is okay, but I then expect you to report it rather than continue to abuse it
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>>39748726
Why are you banned then
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>>39748729
Thanks for the clarification
>>39748731
Im not. Do you know what a hypothetical is? Key word in my post was "if"
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>>39748741
what were you considering doing anyway?
there's no harm in hypotheticals
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>>39748746
Nice try, buster! I'm keeping this one in my back pocket
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>>39748757
narrow it down
you found an exploit, or just good old fashioned rules breaking?
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>>39748764
That's for me to know, and you to find out!
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>>39748781
I'm on my way
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I am running out of everything, including bits. I fear the worst. Bits, apples, coffee, copper, tungsten, plastics, and some gems are all needed, likely prioritized in that order. The current defense should be enough, but it may be more economic to field more units and more weapons this tick as to eliminate more pegasi faster. Taking buy offers off to avoid taxes, will send deals instead.
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>>39748901
Im surprised you lasted that long. Does that mean anyone can stand up to combined oldfag autism?
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>>39749130
>Does that mean anyone can stand up to combined oldfag autism?
If >>39745073 is right, probably not.
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>>39749130
it depends on how developed you are, and how much support you get. war is largely about attrition which is why alliances try and keep large stockpiles when preparing for war
due to exponential sat loss, diminishing returns kick in quickly, so more members matters more than a handful of oldfags
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>>39749245
This means this thread was whining for no reason all this time?
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>>39749311
tnn are ahead, and will only pull further ahead due to any nations they conquer in this war with the bloc
other alliances with more members will get more powerful over time as diminishing returns kick in
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So how much glowies are here looking for pizza in an economy game about ponies?
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>>39749245
>>39749344
The fabled diminishing returns that will kick in any day now
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>>39749486
check the sat loss chart under guides for how quickly that ramps up. diminishing returns are very much real
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goebelbird why did you send me death threats?? i've given you all the shit that i have..
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>>39749546
Berniebird probably missclicked
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>>39749546
screenshots or it didn't happen (it didn't happen anyway inb4 doctored)
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>>39749130
>the single largest non-TNN player with the support of his whole alliance plus other anons sending aide can barely survive against the small first wave of oldfag attackers
Yea sure, there is great hope for resistance!
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AAAAAAA MY FUCKING ALLIANCE WON'T PUT UP BUY ORDERS SO I CAN PUMP THEM FULL OF MY THICK, BLACK JUICES AND WON'T GIVE ME THE COPPER TO SWITCH TO COMMUNIST SO I CAN DO IT NON-CONSENSUALLY
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AAAAAAA MY FUCKING ALLIANCE WON'T PUT UP BUY ORDERS SO I CAN PUMP THEM FULL OF MY THICK, HARD PARTS AND WON'T GIVE ME THE COPPER TO SWITCH TO FREE STATE SO I CAN DO IT DEEPER AND HARDER
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AAAAAAA MY ALLIANCE IS FUCKING DYING
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AAAAAHHHH MY ALLIANCE PUTS UP BUY ORDERS SO I FILL THEM WITH MY BIG ROUND APPLES TO THE BRIM
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>>39749911
message Commonwealth of Mare's nonnyanon we could use more pones but I respect not wanting to abandon yours. we're all anons.
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>>39750011
It is too late for me
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>>39750013
crying
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So one of the larger alliances will possibly dissolve soon. If/when that occurs, it would be a very good time to create a changling alliance.
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>>39750384
Counterpoint: no such thing as bad time to create a changeling alliance
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>>39750384
I would join a ling alliance
- Queen Gytha of Greneclyf
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We've earned a day's break from conflict; make sure to give what you can to help defend against the Tir aggressor!
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>>39750746
The longer TNN and the bloc are in conflict, the better, as newer players will finally be able to catch up. Ideally the conflict never ends.
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>>39750756
Hooray for forever wars and the military industrial complex
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>>39750756
>>39750857
The war ends as soon as the Bloc dies, unless they manage to successfully delay their demise enough to the point Anons can start pushing back against these discordniggers. Tir's prize is one of the most productive and well-developed nations, and they have already grinded thousands of units, burned stockpiles, and hundreds of millions of bits all for this. They won't give up after investing this much, so the Bloc needs others to stay persistent as well.
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>>39750384
the time is now
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soon?...
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>>39750384
>>39751029
>>39751060
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZeu7_MEbXY
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Join the World Economic forum. Or make your own bugfag alliance so I don't have to be in charge.
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>>39734796
multifagging will not be tolerated.
though thanks I guess, I have been able to improve the cheat detection methods by examining your behavior

if any vpn multifags want to come forwards we can arrange you to keep one account, and appropriate punishment for whatever benefit you got by multying.
if I catch you, there will be no mercy
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>>39751224
You'll never catch me
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This game is becoming a job reeeeee
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>>39751240
Find new ways to make the game fun
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Offering hoof jobs for 7 precision parts.
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>>39751250
So he should attack TNN?
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>>39751261
That would work
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WAKE THE FUCK UP DL JUST DISSOLVED
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>>39751278
new bugfucker alliance when?
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>>39751278
More like the Suicide League lmao
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>>39751284
right now
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Any DL members without a home are welcome to join the Cozy Campers. We offer free, unlimited marshmallows, and wilderness survival classes every Friday.
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I hereby proclaim that gmares is based
That is all
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>>39751334
You have requested to join Changeling Economic Forum.
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>>39750756
We have always been at war with Tir Na Nog.
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>>39751354
Thanks nigger!!!
best of luck to buggos: know that the Kirins wish (You) well
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The Changeling Economic Forum welcomes all DL refugees
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Totally *Not* Changelings in the *Changeling* Economic Forum? Scandalous.
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>We're the good guys!
>It doesn't matter that we're the aggressors beating down on a weaker opponent, stop asking questions poyim!
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>>39751906
What are you going to do about it, faggot?
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Looks like I caught the hubbub too late. DL members, if there are any remaining not currently in another alliance, you are of course also welcome in Maresaw!
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>>39751906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJHDb6riM4&ab_channel=Likonan
I believe in the defense anon, if it ends it ends here o7 /)
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rip nigger, may be joining you in suicide depending on how the offboarder attack goes a shame you couldn't hold out to see where this ends.
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>>39752387
Aw man. Dealing with him was fun, a shame to see nigger get off the ride.
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Since I got a couple of messages about it I might as well clarify the background of what happened to everyone at once. Several of the DL's most active members lost interest and dropped when it became clear the discord clique had no qualms using their advantage to go out and steamroll others. I kind of lost interest myself, plus I was spending way too much time in the game, so a break was in order. I stuck around for a few more days though to help in the war effort in the ways that I could (and also to try to see if I could find someone to hand over leadership to, but that was not to be).

And now with my stockpiles exhausted my duty is done. There are multiple really great alliances out there, and with nobody interested in leading the DL currently, I disbanded it. I know that the spirit of the DL will be carried on, because I was far from the only one who cared, and I do believe that the board-centric factions can and will prevail.
(And we already got a bugfag faction created from the kernel of bugfags that had purely coincidentally congregated in DL, which is great.)

I might make a new nation at some point later if I get interested in the game again, probably will join one of the other based alliances rather than making my own again if I do kek.
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>>39750864
We will not die úntil their head rest in a pike
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>>39752489
>pictured: jewbird asking nigger if he's got any war supplies
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>>39752489
based, cya around the board anon
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>>39752489
sad to see you go
hope you return some day to see the discordnigger menace be purged
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>>39752489
Don't clarify dammit. I was going to use your downfall for psyops and falseflagging
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TNN delenda est
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>>39752675
gonna be a dead thread or one infinitely bumped by OP when it's shown to be in TNN's favor and anons leave.
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>"!!!, um, hi, please join my alliance, thanks"
>"You like mare"
>"You like trade"
>"You like growth"
>"You like free will"
>"You will like, numget promise, cross my heart and hope to fly stick a cupcake in my eye"
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>>39752489
You coudlve let one of us attack you and take your nation over.
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>>39752925
That would be rather cheesy
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>>39752925
Damn, that's devious.
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>>39751906
Are you the Bird?
Whether you are, or you're merely another player in the Bloc, I have a request for you.
Try again.
All these people who are quitting because the alliance they hate is winning are contemptible cravens. TNN will win with ease if you just walk away. Try again. Change your name to avoid drawing attention, and join another alliance, ideally one of the ones that tried to help you. Pick a nation type that will be of use to your intended alliance, and settle in for the long haul. TNN can't be stopped without your help, and death doesn't excuse you from your duty to your ponies!
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If you annex a nation, what is its satisfaction set to? Is there a grace period before it can self destruct? I ask because sufficiently enormous armies could blow up a nation in just a few ticks if there's no satisfaction generation, and the conqueror could lose it if they're not around for a little while after it's conquered.
Can JewBird play 900 dimensional chess like that?
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>>39734796
War Mechanics Issue:
If troop forces are split into small stacks (of 1 being the worst), any damage over and above what it took to kill that single unit is lost.
This doesn't sound like much at first, but at large scale it becomes a serious problem

Any math is rough to show why this is a problem. It is not intended to be absolutely precise
As an example: suppose a defender has a GDP of 10 million
With that they could create 600 scrounged/scrounged cavalry a day. The attacker would require 800 equipped units to kill them (since max damage is now 1, and then the defender bonus on top)

Let's say the attacker sent unarmoured ACFU to minimise the cost(ignoring carry capacity for simplicity, it would be even worse in a real scenario).
Attackers Cost: 200m bits, 8,000 copper, 800 machine parts and 16,000 apples
Defenders Cost: 120m bits, 3000 apples

A chart: https://files.catbox.moe/k6kfi2.png
On the left is the defener using this strategy, while on the right is the attacker using it.
Negative numbers represent the amount of damage a weapon loses in this strat, positive numbers just mean the unit already couldn't win a 1v1.

Massive respect to GoebelBird. When this was brought up as something that would change in the future, they merged most of their forces even though it was not necessary yet

This will need to be changed in the future, though I am uncertain on the best way to go about it. Changing the war calculations themselves is incredibly difficult and risky, it would be better to wait for the Moonbutt's entire rewrite of the code than do that.
It may be possible to have identical unit/weapon/armor types automatically be merged just before the war tick. This is the method I will likely try and use currently
It could also be made a rule not to do this. But then the question becomes 'how many small stacks is too many?'. Anything subjective like this will lead to me getting dragged into constant debates, with whichever side loses feeling this is 'admin abuse reeee!'
Another possibility is an additional upkeep cost per force stack.

I welcome any other suggestions to solve this.
Once the method has been decided upon, there will be lead-in time before it is changed. I don't want players to feel mechanics were changed in the middle of a war for 'muh favortism'
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>>39753212
The armies are still owned by the attacking nation, they pay the cost
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>>39753212
I mean, a related question would be, what if a nation manages to tank itself down to like -4999 satisfaction, sets itself up to be massively sat negative BUT stockpiles a shitton of pies and apples and uses it to barely keep itself in balance, and right before it gets conquered throws its stockpile to an ally or something?
Bonus point if there's another allied party who can simultaneously make sure the pie and apple markets are absolutely awful at that point.

This would send the attacker into a mad dash to fix the sat problem before the very next tick. And if they happen to not be online at the time the war tick resolves (maybe they're confident in their victory and went to sleep intending to manage the nation in the morning), insta-lose it. But, it technically wouldn't be killing your own nation!

Similar strategy might be to absolutely tank relations with a superpower and summon as many of their units as possible, right before you get conquered. Also obviously get rid of any stockpiles you have. If you can defend well enough to whittle down the attacking army, and summon a huge enough army from the SE/NLR, the attacker would basically also have to scramble to build up a huge army to defend before the next war tick, and might not even be able to if they just barely conquered you. But it's still not destroying your nation - it's the attacker's problem that they lost it!
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RIP Rodesia. Looks like only 3 DL members survived
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>>39753550
>RIP Rodesia
rip based bugfrens
they will be missed
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>>39753550
>"RODESIA WILL NEVER DIE... Probably."
>This user is nationless!
You hate to see it
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>>39753192
>TNN will win with ease if you just walk away.
TNN will also win nothing if everyone just walks away. They keep talking about the future plans, how they want ascensions to function, when resets should happen, or how they're waiting to see who will be the first to build a statue, how they will organise the oldfag factions in the future...
Don't think they are counting on the possibility of chasing everyone away through their faggotry, which would leave them alone with no iterations or resets or ascensions or statues or anything to worry about.
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>>39753626
>they are enjoying the game!
>what faggotry!
>I must leave!
Cucked behaviour
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>>39753626
you would abandon mares after one battle?
bird bro fucked up by discussing war plans against tnn. provided no other alliances do the same then tnn have no justification to invade, so any further hostility by tnn would be seen as nothing more but a land grab

diminishing returns are a thing, and even a new nation can grow fast if they build efficiently and get good trade deals.
i'm seeing 19 players in tnn (and protectorates). 6 in ffa (neutral?) and 51 in the other alliances (relations unknown. bird has been getting support from somewhere)
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>>39753645
>so any further hostility by tnn would be seen as nothing more but a land grab
...And?
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>>39753647
it's hard to maintain their 'muh world police' thing if they attack without provocation
and I believe many who are on the fence would turn against them. tnn could not stand up against most of the other players combined
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>>39753645
>then tnn have no justification to invade
And that's stopping them how exactly?
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>>39753671
>it's hard to maintain their 'muh world police' thing if they attack without provocation
I don't think all that many people are taking that seriously. They keep trying to larp as some kind of advanced political intrigue simulator, while at the same time shitting on the board and even MLP itself and making clowns of themselves.
I don't think there are that many fence-sitters, and those that do remain loyal to them most likely are already sympathetic enough that it would be easy to use even a weak excuse to justify. "Look they sent materials to Jewbird (something which a significant portion of the free alliances are doing), they are hostile!" or "Look, they are only pretending to be friendly!". Ultimately even the same justification as that used for jewbird: "If we don't attack them now, they'll attack us later!"
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>>39753682
Shouldn't have been planning to attack tnn no matter what around spies after denying a nap
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>>39753645
>>39753691
>fighting off TNN is totally possible guys!
>just don't ever discuss it or plan for it or you'll be attacked lol
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>>39753700
>>just don't ever discuss it or plan for it or you'll be attacked lol
have an inner circle. keep war plans to in-game messages (not alliance wide either) to mitigate the possibility of spies

birdie talking openly about war plans (not just on tnn btw, if you read the logs he wanted some kind of nap with tnn and free reign to attack the weaker alliances) in an alliance made up primarily of debt slaves isn't the most reliable method
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>>39753707
>if you read the logs he wanted some kind of nap with tnn and free reign to attack the weaker alliances
My favourite part is how the narrative changes between "he was planning to attack TNN!" and "he wanted a no-direct-aggression pact with TNN, and was planning to bully smaller nations!" depending on the argument.

Is planning any kind of war at all against other nations now sufficient to provoke TNN? You could make the argument that his plans were initially scummy, but does this mean we're now submitting to total disarmament by TNN mandate? Will other alliances get attacked if they ever show any signs of military inclination against anyone at all?

Of course TNN will come out and say "No! Not at all! We promise we have no plans to attack anyone but the bloc, you don't have to worry goy!", but actions do speak louder than words.
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>>39753723
Read the logs ffs.
First the nonaggression period while conquering noobs, second a war with tnn no matter what, either by proxy or when amassing enough power
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>>39753723
I would need to go through the logs to figure out the timing, and don't care enough to

but I suspect it was initially wanting to attack tnn, realizing it would be a huge gamble, and deciding to try get permission to attack weaker nations until they were strong enough to take tnn. it's the kind of pragmatic approach I would expect from the bird

as for what warfare tnn will allow, perhaps they should make a statement
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>>39753754
No warfare is allowed. but if you want to make a statue or a dna extraction facility feel free to!
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>>39753761
>No warfare not started by TNN
Clarification
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>>39753761
>no warfare allowed
Based, no mares will die
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One of my alliance members cannot see the deals I'm sending to him, they aren't showing up in his inbox. He's not Free Market. Any reason why this might happen?
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>>39753550
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>>39753645
>mares buzzword
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>>39753935
no?
have them send a screenshot of what they see
it will be under 'capitalism' - 'deals'
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>>39753958
He already did, no incoming deals. And I'm certain I didn't send it to the wrong person or anything, I checked several times.
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>>39753975
Show your deals page
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>>39753975
I can see the deal in the database, there is no obvious reason why it's not showing up
and yes, you did send it to the right person
i'll try and replicate on the test server once i've had some sleep
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>>39753975
>36 unread messages
wtf how are you so popular
are you using the messaging system as real-time chat for ERP or something
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>>39754121
It's not me, it's my team member. I'm guessing he just doesn't mark read after reading.
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>>39754121
>are you using the messaging system as real-time chat for ERP or something
NTA
but it's a trading game, how do you get good deals if you don't talk to lots of people?
pic related
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>>39754168
>how do you get good deals if you don't talk to lots of people?
You join an alliance and silently fulfil buy orders while people fulfil yours, and never interact with anyone outside your alliance
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>>39754176
and when do you do the erotic roleplay in exchange for machine parts?
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>>39754121
Yes I use SAP to manage my nation's inventories
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>>39754121
>he doesn’t collude to backstab the person he’s backstabbing after he helps him backstab someone
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>>39754168
Are those nested reply chains? How did you get that?
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>>39754244
There's a userscript that got posted earlier itt
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>>39753707
>need to use numbers advantage to fight back
>can only talk about it with a small inner circle of players though
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>>39754244
the script is from this post >>39735380
For some reason I thought it would get integrated by hostanon
I'm on Edge so I just use tampermonkey
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So if I understand right, TNN's party line is that there's no war ever, and if you declare war on anybody you get zerg rushed by TNN? That seems decidedly against the spirit of the game.
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>>39754369
Don't like it? Fight them then
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>>39754369
>and if you declare war on anybody you get zerg rushed by TNN?
More like if there's even a whiff of vaguely potentially considering fighting somewhere in the future down the line at some point maybe, you get zerg rushed by TNN for "safety"
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>>39754176
Or you can be like me and literally not even be in an alliance. Just happily being a jew placing buy orders for things when they're cheap and sell orders for things when they're expensive.
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Is there a cap on how high you can get relations with a superpower through shipments? Like, if I dropped 7,200 tungsten oil on Luna to get 900 reputation and then bought environmental facilities without ever making a worship centre for her, would it work?
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>>39754168
Dat font rendering, wtf is wrong with GNUcucks
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>>39754492
Yep that works
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>>39753754
>as for what warfare tnn will allow, perhaps they should make a statement
From their alliance page
>In response to confusion on /mlp/:
We will not intervene in external wars unless one party is hostile towards (or allied/guaranteed by) TNN.
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>>39754577
If their alliance page doesn't mention any affinity with TNN and we attack, but there is a hidden agreement of some sort, would we be notified of this and given the option to withdraw? I assume so, but I want to make sure there are no unfortunate misunderstandings.
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>>39754598

Absolutely, the first step is always diplomacy, especially when somebody couldn't have known any better -tkoe
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>>39754561
Thanks, fren. It seems like that would be a lot cheaper than building and maintaining 30+ worship centres.
Now where the FUCK and I going to get 7,200 oil?
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>>39754389
I was hoping the Defamation League's logs would leak to see how they were working with Jewbird, what plans they were making, and what the response would be
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>>39754679
Oil is the most abundant resource by number because frackers are crazy. If you know any remotely advanced saddle arabians you can get a few thousands oil easily.
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It's over lads. I banzai charged and it was gloriously retarded. Remember me well. I am now free of this curse.
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>>39754812
I still don't understand why all of you are doing this. Like, you hate TNN and all, so you're going to help them win?
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>>39754841
I didn't hate anyone. I just wanted to attack the player with the strongest power level. Plus, I think someone else is invading me outside of TNN anyways so it's not like I helped them.
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>>39754841
>win
Victory is only meaningful if the game is taken seriously. At this point it feels like most people no longer do so and are just messing around for the memes. There's no glory in "winning" a glorified sandbox where most people end up just throwing their nations around and you're the only one autistically larping and min-maxing until everyone else has their fun, gets bored, and dips.
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>>39753276
Merging identical units sounds good enough to me. I'm loathe to add any more costs to war by including costs to stacks without any kind of benefit to go with it beyond a defender's exploit.
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>>39754857
>Victory is only meaningful if the game is taken seriously
If it's any consolation, i'm taking it seriously
- Queen Gytha
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Please come back, Goose. We need your help!
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The TOTALLY NOT THE segregational states offers two deals!
To small independent nations:let me invade you! Message if interested <3
To Tir: crying, let me invade small nations!!
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>>39753276
>ACFU -0.125
So is this suggesting that, because you are losing 1/8th of damage for every unit, for every 1000 units you need to include an extra 125? Because that doesn't seem so bad. Remember that the defender is also dealing extremely little damge, so its not like you'll have to replace troops.
I also unstacked my troops because I did not think it was effective for what I was attempting to accomplish.
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>>39755051
If one's so desperate then you know who to focus and attack...
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>>39755112
Bring it. I don't want to start a war, but if you're going to give me an excuse to take your nation I won't complain.
Unless you're TNN, then please leave me alone. I am scared.
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>>39755139
when I turn 21 I might ask for a 1v1 without any alliance help on either side (though how to enforce that and prevent cheating on the terms?)
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>>39755179
1v1 you in a game about cooperation and teams? Alright. Neither of us are able to import or use resources our nations don't produce. Looks like we're both dead instantly! Hurray!
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>>39755207
Unless he's a burro, and his entire intention was just outlasting you all along.
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>>39755234
Shit, you're right. I've been outplayed.
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A competent defense will require the Bird, at minimum, these resources for the first round. If I cannot gather these resources, then it may be the end.
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>>39755234
*cries in copper*
it seems 1v1 self produced isn't feasible, unless someone has burro vs burro fights

people would have to stockpile before hand, which makes it moot since then it becomes whichever alliance dumps the most stockpiles into this

a shame, it sounded fun at first
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>>39755255
When's the deadline?
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>>39755311
The attack happens in about 3 hours, but I will likely be offline in 30 minutes to an hour.
>>39753276
>You have too many different units
Was this added to counter singlestack unit spam, or is there already a limit in place, making this a nonissue?
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>>39755323
You can merge unlimited units into one forcegroup, stacked or not
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>>39755337
Am I doing something wrong? Even if I try to split off more in a different group, I still get this error. Seems like there's a hard limit of 99 different units.
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>>39755350
Splitting them off is the opposite of what you want, merge some units together and you should be able to create more, there's a limit on forcegroups, not units.

Unless something has changed
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>>39755255
Rip, even if every zigger outside TNN sends you their next tick's output they won't be able to fill this without straining their stockpiles.
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>Currently claiming the nations of the First Trade Pact, to ensure the rest of the game can grow in peace
"Peace" my ass, I could have prevented this. I could have kept the status quo, I am sorry for being a pussy...
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
If Cozy, Maresaw, FFA, gm_mares, Changeling Economic Forum, New Moon Spice Trade, Commonwealth of Mare, The Aisthesis, and Team Chrono does not all step up to fight against Tir, this delay will have been for nothing.
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>>39755435
in the name of Team Chrono:
lol
lmao even
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Without outside intervention, the end will come very soon.
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>>39755435
My alliance is not in any shape to do anything militarily against TNN. Do you need supplies?
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>>39755518
NTA but it looks like goebels needs gems and copper and a lot of it
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A great deal.
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>>39755772
From a complete stranger, I should add.
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>>39755435
>this delay will have been for nothing
Always was
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>>39755895
>>39755435
It's not for nothing, even if we lose.
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>>39755772
Damn that's pretty good. According to your earlier spreadsheet that's only 3k copper short of your full planned defense, right?
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>>39755902
You're right. It was for TNN's benefit
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>>39755772
In any iteration of this game, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone burn PLAYERS as ablative armor. Powering a defense with the closest thing to actual blood sacrifices is not something I had ever envisioned as a strategy.
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>>39755969
>this is the first time I've ever seen anyone burn PLAYERS as ablative armor. Powering a defense with the closest thing to
do you mean if I destroy things I can get supplies back, I haven't destroyed anything but might if it means I can send something
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>>39755985
No, you fucking finsub.
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>>39755969
What do you mean. Just sending resources? Has nobody ever gotten help from someone else by sending them stuff before?
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>>39756011
he probably checked the logs and found whoever send that has nothing now
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>>39756012
wrong admin, that one is from a previous iteration of >clop and can't access the logs

>>39756011
>>39755985
he means this player quit, and dumped all their stockpiles while quitting for the war effort
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>>39756012
I'm not privy to any admin info, and I don't need to be to figure things out. I'm the original admin, I have no control over this version (nor do I want any and Hostanon consistently reminds me why)
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>war tick passed
>nothing in the news
Bird holds out another wave?
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>>39756296
Reinforcements won't come for another day, it is time to recover our resolve and finish out this battle! This defeat will be costly for Tir; let there be hope!
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>>39756367
Never surrender. Never give up. Fight till the end.
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This is my wife. Say something nice about her.
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>>39756565
She can become my waifu so she's alright
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>>39756565
bugs are cute
hug the bug
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>>39756565
dirty insect
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>>39757217
inb4 degradation is her fetish
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>>39755435
None of us in the spice trade can even fight yet.
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>>39756565
She sure does get around, I'll give her that.
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>>39751224
I can't imagine this is prohibited, but I want to make good and sure anyway because I'm paranoid.
Recruiting a friend to help me is okay, right?
You'll have no trouble proving they're a different person. They live in a different city, and will be connecting from a home IP. I only ask because hope we'll be coordinating much more smoothly than would normally be possible. It might look suspicious when a brand new account gets a massive care package without a word, then proceeds to perfectly support the first account. But as long as we're obviously two different people it should be okay, right?
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>>39757606
Players using offsite comms and helping friends is nothing new.
As long as you aren't being a multi-fag on a vpn then it's perfectly fine.
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>>39757610
>rdp to office PC is fine
Yay
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>>39755467
who are you anon? I can help
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Wew, infighting is happening now?
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>>39757606
>It might look suspicious when a brand new account gets a massive care package without a word, then proceeds to perfectly support the first account.
You just described what happens in every real alliance
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>>39757923
qrd?
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>>39757949
Could also simply be Red Mare quitting and deciding to donate his nation of course
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With bird lasting so long, you'd think it would be a good time for a counter-offensive
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>>39758025
If there's someone who can muster the armies for that, then I think it'd be fantastic. Feels like everyone's already pooling all their resources just to enable the defense, though
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>>39757950
I asked, it's fine he was done with the game
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>>39757950
Explaining the situation:
>Red Mare was Maresaw-affilated.
>Out of his own volition and without consulting with his alliance he sent attacking army to Archaeopolis (TNN).
>Surprise, it was not enough.
>After short discussion between TNN and Maresaw they decided to take out their rogue member on their own.
>Successfully.
We're here now.
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>>39758233
>they decided to take out their rogue member
Alright, so they're not just disavowing the aggression, they are outright allying with TNN on military matters.
That is good to know.
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>>39758233
>Showing just as a NAP on paper
>In truth, they're another satellite alliance hidden in plain sight
Their skeletons finally comes out for a show...
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>>39758314
>>39758330
Guys consider this
>MareQuest attacks TNN
>TNN says they will attack back in retaliation, but is willing to work with Maresaw to clear up the misunderstanding because they had an NAP
>the MareQuest nation is doomed either way now
>if Maresaw just ejects MQ, Tir will conquer and will have a new nation
>(or Maresaw can shelter MQ and endorse its actions, but they've expressed strong interest in remaining defensively oriented in the past)
>the third option is for Maresaw to attack MQ themselves, thus placating TNN, while denying them the extra nation and instead keeping it for themselves
If Red wasn't quitting, it could even have been a strategy to get Maresaw an extra nation. As it is it's nation-neutral, but at least denies TNN the spoils and maintains the NAP.

Seems like a relatively smart diplomatic decision to me. The only negative is the poor optics if its motivations get misunderstood.
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>>39758330
>>39758314
The alternative was probably war with TNN, not sure we can actually draw any conclusions from this.

on the plus side, this is evidence that TNN will actually use diplomacy.
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>>39758314
>>39758330
>RedMare launches an attack
>Obvious paper trail showing it was funded by Maresaw
>Ohshit
>Repeatedly requests that they withdraw
>Lol no, I'm quitting and want to die
>Calls TNN, explains situation
>Attacks a player who has quit the game

The choice was either funding a proxy war with TNN and being caught doing it, OR attacking someone who has quit the game and doesn't intend to survive. Seems like a clear choice to me.
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Starting, sending aid for, or otherwise getting involved in a war without the agreement of your alliance is effectively betraying your alliance.

Players are advised to familiarize themselves with gang dynamics or other primate troupe psychology before providing supplies to belligerents or even looking at the war tab.

tl;dr the playerbase is, amazingly, not being nigger enough
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>>39758361
>This is evidence that TNN will actually use diplomacy
>Reddit spacing
Whatever you say TNNfag
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Buying machine parts for 20000
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>>39758694
>Copper at 25k
lol
lmao
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>>39758704
Why do ziggers do this?
You'd have to be truly desperate to buy copper for over 7000.
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>>39758704
>Meanwhile chink is selling copper at 12k
lol
lmao
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>>39759105
>Why do ziggers do this?
there is a copper shortage, and a war going on
ziggers gonna zig
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>>39759105
Because some people are truly desperate.
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new bread soon?
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>>39759311
no need
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>>39759378
It's ded then?
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>>39759311
No, it's over
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>>39759449
>It's ded then?
Players Active
Last 24 Hours: 86

seems fine to me desu
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>>39759457
>not in the 90's anymore
It's over...
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>>39759311
thread moved to discord
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We are not yet free of the cycle of Samsara

>>39759879
>>39759879
>>39759879
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>>39759885
>We are not yet free of the cycle of Samsara
Skill issue
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>>39759105
>Copper bellow the standard of 10k should be the norm.
Wow you actually wrote this, is someone with a knife to your neck?
Anyone who sells at that price is a untrained chill and deserves bankruptcy



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