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Jewbird, I've come to bargain.
>>39734807why would anyone bargain with jewbird he is losing and theyre not in any position to win so ir would be in theyre best intrest to put more pressure on him until he disbands his entire alliance and gives up
>offboarder Dashflaggot returnsAnd the thread has gone to shit already.
This dumbass redditor makes me ashamed of being a dashfag myself.
>>39734835if you feel ashamed for being a dashfag you show no loyallty and you don't deserve her she is the element of lpyallty it's that simple but whatever
>>39734847I hope that you're trolling.
>>39734675I endorse this message
i'm interested to know how you guys see your nations i think mine is about 30% unicorns 60% pegasus and 7% earth ponies and the last 3% are other creatures such as drafons and griffons although if my first nation dies i might make my next one a more creature focused
I think we have to accept that the dashflaggot is an unironic autist. Anyone merely pretending to this extent can't be just merely pretending.
>>39734880100% breedable mares
>>39734933I want to rub their bellies so bad
I'm trying to plan out my city so far this is how it is shapeing up. the upper city is mostly just governmental buildings and the bank it is also where the queen pegasus lives and rules over the other ponies.
>>39734970I want to ride on the mare highway, if you know what i'm saying
>>39734982the road is cobblestone so i dont blame you it is decades old and many mares walk it to on on their spirit quest to find the ones they love and sometimes gain the ability to astral project after walking it
>>39734993you don't know what i'm saying...
>>39734993Another based astral projection anon?
>>39735007Yeah i been studying for about 1 and 50% decades now and I once projected myself into equestria where i met my wife(rainbow dash) now we are married and link spirtually i might make a guide if anyone wants to know how
>>39733144>>39733648>I'll share the logs once the current attack is resolved, so you get an idea of the kind of things you will be dealing withbytesol is kill, riplogs about the ruling on the initial peace deal https://files.catbox.moe/tgtfqa.txt
>>39735193>TNNfags are arguing against Rule 4Wait so... they WANT to allow scorched earth tactics?
>>39735193Mare is dead!
>>39735193>[2:06 AM]HostAnon: i'm waiting for the thread to go nuts when someone is finally conqueredGreat. And a drama whore to boot.
>>39735380wtf I ran this and my ip got doxxed
We will be supporting defensive efforts by providing resources as necessary. To avoid breaching any NAPs, we will not support any offensive action, and will not be providing any troops; as such, none of our actions will be aggression in any way. To avoid sustaining losses caused indirectly through our aid, any aggressing attackers may simply withdraw their attack.
So let me get this straight niggers. You all cried about how TNN gonna steamroll poor Bytesol and helpless Bloc, how we must rise against transnigger tyranny of discordfags... And you lifted not one finger to help him defend against them. Sending him troops? Nobody did that. Sending him resources or deals? Nobody did that, after all these talks of unity and standing up. Not even his own alliance, because of which he came under fire. Tells a lot about the quality of the alliance that will let you just die under the enemy attack. But of course they cry about needing help while ditching their own.You absolute retarts and bafoons. Do you think the troops that took Detrot just disappered after meeting exactly zero resistance? Yeah they will march onto the next and next target until you faggots will fucking stand up to them. But you won't because you're either kikes caring only about bits or can only troll in this shitfucked thread.
>>39735516he wouldn't respond to dms for the last day, we wanted to help him.
>>39735516Yeah I dunno what bird is doing, there's a pretty big pool of resources waiting for him whenever he wakes the fuck upMaybe he's ragequitting the game as well, though he was so adamant on fighting that I would have assumed he'd have at least orchestrated his last battles before leaving.For now I'm gonna assume he got suddenly busy IRL or something. There's still some more days to wait while the future attacks resolve, since every attack takes some time to move between nations
>>39735516tried to help but neither jewbird nor bytesol answered me
>>39735535Honestly not gonna be surprised if jewbird gonna use all the resources only to defend himself.
>>39735516this >>39735525 >>39735542
>>39735516Detrot went dark and refused to respond to messages. His resources were running a deficit so I assume he just up and left.
>>39735516Been trying to send him resources for a couple days. No responses.
>>39735584He bought oil from me about 18 hours ago, so if he bailed it must've been recently. Did nobody help him before that?
>>39735590>>39735596I also messaged him days ago.
>>39735516>desperatly sending messages to jewbird>literally no response>massive supply reserves and cash reserves to giveAbout 3/4ths of the game supports the block/anyone against TNN. They just have to actively reply to messages. Why didn't YOU help him?
>>39735516I tried to help, but his responses on CLOP went from normal to slow to none at all...
detrot has been pretty inactive for the past week, responding anything you send him once a day if you are luckynobody in the bloc should be surprised by this
Jesus H. can a nigga get some pies in the market
>>39735602>>39735600>>39735590>>39735584>>39735565>>39735542>astroturfing this hardOk blocfags>>39735602>bout 3/4ths of the game supports the block/anyone against TNNTNN+puppets is about 1/4 of the game, and some us hate both of you.
>>39735623We are surprised about the Bird's unresponsivenessOnly two days ago or so he was actively drawing up battle plans, calling up his allies for aid and generally declaring his intentions to fight to the last. I even spent time dicussing potential alternatives to minimise damage for the Bloc if the fight was deemed hopeless, but he seemed adamant in his decision to fight.Then he went near-silent out of nowhere.>>39735631>blocfagsAgain the discussion is about jewbird himself, you cuck, we're trying to help the bloc
>>39735638Unfortunately the Bird got exhausted from all this. We were grasping at straws trying to figure out how to defend Bytesol and without him cooperating, well, we couldn't really do anything. Doesn't help that not everyone wants to do war calculations and the work was unevenly offloaded on a few people (mainly the Bird). This game isn't made for everyone.
>>39735638>jewbird>unreliableWhat a fucking surpriseBloc will be a loss as an alliance but that kike can go die in a fire
Someone buy my damn copper, I'm broke
>>39735630Salamalekum brother you did deliver, and at what a price!
Bad news, the lower residential district blew up when a factory exploded in the heavy industry district we are now 25% unicorns, 80% pegasus and 5% others.
>>39735647>Unfortunately the Bird got exhausted from all thisThe Bird, again, had various alternatives available to him for taking the inevitable loss, minimising damages, and making the best of things for long-term viability.He insisted on fighting with such vigour, and now he gets burnt our right before the fight? If that's really what's happened, that's pathetic. After committing, the least he could've done is actually play out the battle, accept everyone's showering of resources and build the units and watch what happens, and THEN dip.>>39735648I'm starting to think this way, too. He talked the talk, and for most of the game backed it up by also actually acting in kind and rising to the top (of the non-oldfags), but if he just drops the ball at the most crucial moment that'll be a total undoing of all the confidence and friendship he'd tried to cultivate.
>>39735650>only 20k listings"no"
>>39735665>20k listingsthats a rip off if anyone needs copper I can trade you 1 per 5 apples/oils
>>39735661He's only one new guy trying to fight back. Sure you guys supported him with resources, but that's about it. Just resources. And you forget Bytesol wasn't cooperating so we had no idea if he was going to even defend. Kept insisting all he had were thoughts and prayers.
>>39735671>He's only one new guy trying to fight backHe's the only new guy who absolutely refused an NAP with the big steamrolling faction, AND absolutely refused any of the other options except head-on defense.So he basically went>yes I'll defend!>yes send me your resources I'll build an army and counter-attack!>no I'm not gonna scuttle my obviously doomed alliance and maximise resource recovery, I'm gonna get everyone to fight and I'll build the armies and send them head-on against Tir in an all-out defense!>w-waaah building an army is tiring I am burned out...Again I'll wait for his personal word, but if this is actually what happened, you don't get to complain that it's difficult when you rejected all alternatives and signed up to do it all yourself.>And you forget Bytesol wasn't cooperating so we had no idea if he was going to even defendBytesol is just one nation, who wasn't even very active, and is probably understandably salty that he joined a trade organisation - without even participating in the chats in the IRC - and got caught in a crossfire of a massive war.Even with Bytesol being unresponsive, there's still the entire rest of the alliance that Bird whipped up into standing together behind him and defending, and Tir's attacks will continue. Just because Bytesol fell doesn't mean that it's time to just give up and quit the game. Not to mention that, after you summon aid from a bunch of allies, it couldn't hurt to spend 5 seconds writing them a message to inform them what's going on rather than just radio silence.
>>39735682it has been working so far. i do 4 copper per 1 part also
>>39735669>1:5 applesThe super Mario Audacity of this man
>>39735689Friendship is magic. Allies are, well, I don't know. But I do know allies aren't magic.
>>39735692i'm a trader i always trade up it may seems like a lot but i need to leave my self room to trade up with other people you know i dont intend on ripping people off so no bad blood between us
>>39735669KEKWant me to bend over and spread my cheeks for you also? That's the kind of offer I'm looking at right now.
>>39735696whatever ballar dont come crying to me when you need copper you could of made a deal with me i accept anything i even accepted gems once and i dont' even use them but i bet i can probably trade them for a profit
is anyone making flags for people if they are please post your name i really want a flag fpr my nation and everything i make in paint looks bad
>>39735699Punctuation, my dear dashfag, would help you greatly. I'm not going to do a deal that is quite literally a 10k markup from the seller's marketplace. 1:3 ratio would actually be good.
>>39735707honest question is english your native language? no bad blood and no bullyment when i am actually curious
>>39735712I do not care if you speak 20 languages ESL chan. You learn to speak English properly.
>>39735721>ESLi was born and rised in the uk we invented english 1000 years ago maybe you shouldnt tell us how to speak it food for thought but whatever
>>39735728How much have you rised?
>tir-bloc talk starts dwindling>quick, we need new bait to keep this thread on the first page
>>39735734literally dying game
>>39735734We would just be bumping it, nigger
>>39735736>Active player count rising each day>Dead game
>>39735738>sockpuppet accounts with similar naming conventions>"active players"
Who do I reach out to in TNN about defecting from the bloc?
>>39735741Feel free to point those out so Hostanon can ban them
>>39735742Message their alliance leader probably
If I make a saddle Arabian islamist alliance, would anyone join?
>>39735832There's already been like two or three of these, with 1-2 members each time
>>39735852You're right. Bugfag alliance is a better idea.
>>39735861Indeed, I've been looking for one and/or have been thinking of making one soon
>>39735866Most bugfags I know are in DL currently.
>>39734819All of these generals are offboard colonies. This is the future you chose. Nigger
>>39735881most, this unironically.
>>39735734>>39735736>Threads return to the previous level of activity before major happening>Literally dying
>>39735881>people that were previously on the board are now off-boarders for playing this game because there are discordfags in it
>>39734810That's precisely the best time to offer to bargain with someone, though. You can impose the most devlish of terms.
>>39735380>>39734796nice scriptthis changes the messages system to have conversation threads with each person
1 mil for pies, do I even need to tell you to kys?
>>39736914I didn't know jewbird was in the pie business?
>>39736914make your own if you buy pies and dont have a bakery idk what to even tell you at this point like it shoould be one of the first things you make since they are required for almost every sat building. if you need pies i can sell you them for 3/resources per pie
>>39736914After seeing this post I decided to join the pie business at a insanely discounted price of only 999 thousand 999 bitsDon't mind the extra crunchiness, crystals are good for your health, surely...it's not our main occupation, please be understanding. But it's still good though, the best even!
>>39736938>crystals are good for your healththey really are just being around them allows your spirit to bind with the astral plane easier consuming them would be even better i would imagine
>>39736914Just for you, I put up some 30k pies
>>39736946fellow dashflaggot please stop making the rest of us look bad. Especially when you talk about astral projection in a thread about pony nation simulators>first letters in captcha are KYS
>>39737323maybe you should read what the another person brought up and i was jsut adding on to what they said about crystals whatever I made your nation unfriendly in game.
>>39736946>they really are just being around them allows your spirit to bind with the astral plane easier consuming them would be even better i would imagineLow IQ mongoloids have some very interesting takes on spirituality
>>39737371The worst part is he's not even wrong, he just talks like a retard and talks about Spirituality in a thread dedicated to a pony simulator game. If he really wants to talk so badly about it maybe he should just go in the discord and talk or hell make his own thread about the topic of astral projection. It's been probably a good while since we had an /mlp/-/x/ related thread anyways. He should go do something productive like that and leave this thread alone
>>39737371you shouldn't knock it until you try it i used it to project and collect infomation the bloc and the racist league it may seem low iq but its very real and a good strategy
>>39737375He is wrong, his post demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of the subject matter. Horsefuckers and bronies general have a very narrow minded and consequently stilted view on the occult. You're right in that this isn't the thread, so I won't make any more posts about it.>>39737378Sure thing retard
I haven't laughed this hard in a while. What insights have your astral projection given you into the nature of the bloc?
>>39737390they are working with the racist league more than they appear and secretly have a pact they call the dominion where they poll on plans they also have plans on extending it to other alliances to protect everyone I will astral project again soon to get the details and see them mroe refined
>>39737375can confirm dash tard, this is why crowns were affixed with gems and such
>>39737409Wrong. I'm in the DL and you're a moron if you think you gained that insight from a fucking crystal or astral projection.
>>39737421the visions are hazey so it is still unclear whta i saw but all i saw war and death of many mares if the block is not destroyed
>>39737409Hey Hostanon, can we get a rule against astral projecting for information? It seems very unfair this unique gift can be abused by only select people.
>>39737428Alright folks, the local wizard has called for destruction of the Bloc. Let's get on it.
>>39737428You don't know shit about the state of the DL. The shit you said could have been made up by anybody just with the information in this and the previous threads. Multiple people have speculated and come to the conclusion that the DL and the bloc are colluding. You've said nothing new.
>>39737432skill issuewe should have dashfag write a guide on astral projection to spy, and include it in-game so it's fair for all players
not how it works retard
>>39737459Placing a curse on you right now
>>39734796added 'feedback' to headers, where you can submit feature requests, bug reports and the likeit will also will show up in that header if in-game polls are underway
>>39737483BLANK BAR IS LONG FIX REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>39737491which headers should be moved, and what should they be moved under?
>>39737496Maybe merge search, stats and the feedback header?
everyone in this thread is so mad about dumb shit it's unrealanyways buy my fucking drugs i need to fund my environment-destroying oil refinery
>>39737521Fuck you, I'll be angry about the astral projection advantage if I damn well please.
>>39737521I am angry about you in particular anon. I refuse to buy anything from a canadian.
>>39737535skill issue desu
>>39737521Just sell them cheap. There's a reason everybody always buys my apples up. Doesn't matter if it crashes the market either BTW =)
>national turned 21>nobody attacks You told me TNN would steamroll me the second I turn legal
>>39737914nation name?asking for a friend
>>39737920Stop it with the antisemitic questions
THE GLOVE HAS BEEN TOSSEDPEACE NO MORE!!NO MERCY!! AFTER TIR (YOU)'RE NEXT!!!
>>39737213Hmm would be good to respond to literally any messages then
Acting as what?
>>39737934May Tia have mercy on their reddity souls, send it
>>39737934>ATK>DEFAt least learn the game you're meant to be playing if you wanna try making jokes about fake units
>>39738464That thing would trade with a single scrounged cavalry lmfao
>>39738464>being anal about knowing how the game works OK TNN, would be nice if you went ahead and lead another faction against the other oldfags instead of conspiring against a bunch of puzzled newfags.
>>39738577At this point I doubt many of the newfags would accept "help" from TNNExcept maybe actual newfags to the thread who've missed the entire history so far, I guess
>>39738464>being this seriousThis is why the game isn't fun
>>39738607this shit's already over, just waiting for the pieces to fall over and for anons to leave one by one.
>>39738577>ConspiringOnly one faction had done any conspiring, the one currently getting their shit pushed in.
>>39738625>it's all over>players leavemeanwhile 94 active players in the last 24 hours
>>39738625You keep posting this, and yet the player count keeps climbing.
>>39738645>>39738646>after 6 minutes 2 replies in the same 20 secondsTNN discord screenshot link moment
>>39738650So, no actual rebuttal then? Kek
>>39738660Your schiso ramblings weren't posted anywhere in TNN discord you retard
>>39738660>why is no one responding to my shitty bait?>h-heh, I'll definitely get some (You)s if I double downHappy now?
Jewbird you fuck answer me!I offered you some resources so you can actually fucking defend TNNiggers yet you said you will send the deal and there is none!
>>39738899This>jewbird talks about what resources he might need>promise him a shitton of stuff that I have>he never sends a deal and goes quasi-silent for like two days
>>39738979>>39738899He is consulting with the elder jews.
Maybe he found out leading an alliance in this game is a lot more responsibility than it looks in the worst possible way.Maybe he'll start playing as, at most, a lieutenant for someone else, someone capable of dealing with the pressure and willing to spend more time on this autism condenser of a game.If he keeps playing, that is.
So is there nothing we can do to convince TNN to leave jewbird alone at this point?
>>39739156>jewbird refused initial NAP with TNN>jewbird planned in IRC to stage a proxy war with TNN while outright invading smaller targets>jewbird refused peace deal with TNN (it was bad, but one would think it's possible to do negotiations and diplomacy)>jewbird said that he could take on TNN with all the support>now he maintains radio silence while doing jackshit about his and his allience defence>"B-but why wouldn't TNN leave him alone?"He dug his own grave and dug deeper and now he can lie in it.
>>39739216desu that is top-notch jew roleplay
>>39739216This, what flabbergasts me the most though is that he isn't even taking (almost) any of the support offeredEven Israel is more than happy to deepthroat dozens of billions in aid yearly
Wow, if I had half the confidence you guys have to price apples like this I'd overdose, cmon, what the hell are these prices you know your shit ain't worth that.
>>39739304Just downright peculiar...
do we know who TNN is attacking next yet?
Why are so many bloc members going into stasis?
>>39739880Can't be attacked in stasis
>>39739880avoiding war?thought I thought anyone leaving the bloc is safe, so it doesn't make sense to me. this is just costing resources that could covertly oppose TNN
>>39740117who is that friendship convoy heading towards?
>>39740117Get fucked, nerd
>>39740225friendship is mandatory, as it should be
>>39740117>tutorial is ~900 units>subsequent wave 1 and 2 combined are less than half thatinteresting balance
>>39740272Ah, but the total enemies that they have to defend against are the number from the tutorial boss plus the other two waves. You could interpret this as the extra waves of the tutorial, or simply each wave including the previous waves for its own proper total.
>>39740294No, I disagree. The two subsequent armies are called "Adds wave 1" and "Adds wave 2". Ergo, each army in itself comprises wave 1 and wave 2 respectively, since sending each army "added" that wave to the total attack.It also makes no sense to send waves of normal enemies after the boss, so the only reasonable interpretation is that the boss ends the tutorial and the "waves" are supposed to be the post-tutorial difficulty.
>>39740305Nah, they're adds, aka a term for nuisance enemies spawned by the boss, they're part of the same boss fight.
>>39740343Oh, huh, I've never seen that term before. Yeah that makes more sense honestly, fair enough then.
So what happens after Jewbird is killed?
>>39740481The next name on the list will die. Then the next. And the next after that again. You get the idea.
>>39740502List is getting pretty short, bloc is down to 8 members
>>39740588TNN should've spared ShekelBird's slaves and just offer them to join a TNN-aligned alliance or leave 1st Trade Bloc and see them leave like flies under threat of invasion. But I guess this is good too. They even offered to give Trade Bloc an NAP like they did the other alliances but they refused. Goebel could've played it right had he been more secretive and put up a front of friendliness like most sane leaders would but he was open about everything and it cost him his alliance.
>>39740715>he was open about everythinghe tried to appear somewhere from friendly to neutral, while planning warit wasn't rejecting the NAP that caused this, it was the IRC leaks that the bloc was planning war on TNN no matter what eventually. And until then some kind of uneasy truce so the bloc could attack weaker alliances
>>39740715We actually did tell them to leave the bloc for safety, that's probably why so many have left already
>>39740723I'm aware of that, but relatively speaking when it comes to leading an alliance of nations/members he was probably the most idiotic person to lead a coalition/planned attack against TNN. He didn't hide his tracks at all. If stuff he said got leaked then he was too open.
I refuse the offer.I will die, my honor tell me to not betray my alliance.
>>39741132Personally, I would do as they say and plot my revenge. But you do you.
>>39741132>lol I guess we're steamrolling now
>>39741166Did you expect them to not kill everybody in the alliance they're at war with or something?
>>39740117Never forget the aggressor in this fight.
Here you go Jewbird, at least try and defend
>>39741380I put some numbers down and ran a test, defense is not unlikely. The most obvious thing in this first iteration is the excess of unicorns, this can and will be lowered. I will likely write on my strategic observations in addition to the revamped war guide I'm writing.
Once the Bloc is wiped, it won't be long before you're mandated to build DNA Extraction Facilities, with failure to do so meaning destruction or capture.
>>39741443i'll help with DNA insertion facilities, if you know what I mean
>>39741443Bro the guy is buying each DNA at 20K, selling DNA is just profitable, regardless of your opinion of tnn.
>>39741443This is not exactly a super oppressive thing even if it happens. "Oh hey, build the stuff they let's me beat the game and leave so you are free from the supergiant oppressive nation"
>>39741456>implying they'll leave
>>39741465dna is used for ascention, and that kills your nation putting you in the leaderboard for it
>>39741469Does it stop them from making a new nation?
>>39741472don't think so, but would be starting from scratch rather than built up
>>39741443Have you read the logs? If the Bloc isn't wiped out we won't be building shit, because we'll be farmed out of the game. Thankfully they're clearly losing badly
Ascension process as I understood from code diving.1. Build a Forbidden Research Facility for 1000 copper, 300 machinery parts, and 300 precision parts.2. Collect 4000 DNA (48,000 total) from each sub-region.3. Wait 200 turns for it to process into 200 forbidden research.4. This unlocks the "Alicorn Elite" government type for 1,000 tungsten, 1,000 precision parts, and 1,000 machinery parts, and 3 Billion bits. It has several actions that happen upon converting:-SAT cap raised to 5,000-All nations in the empire adopt the type-6.0x GDP multiplier regardless of SAT-Debuff for having too many nations in a single empire is reduced by 1/3-An Alicornification Facility is provided that drains 100 Energy and 50 Apples per tick, and provides one Apotheosis Serum-A constant relationship penalty with both the NLR and SE that starts and -10 and decreases by one per tickThis is the point of no return, as a constant relationship penalty never maxes out and will insure war with both superpowers.5. After 30 Apotheosis Serum is amassed, the "Transponyism" government type can be chosen, along with requiring 2,000 tungsten, 2,000 precision parts, and 2,000 machinery parts, and 5 Billion bits.-SAT cap raised to 7,000-All nations in empire adopt the type-Two more Alicornification Facilities are given, requiring a total of 300 Energy and 150 Apples per tick, for 3 Apotheosis Serum6. The final step requires 100 Apotheosis Serum, 10,000 composites, 5,000 precision parts, and 5,000 machinery parts, and 8 Billion bits, all that's left to do is build the space ship and win.
>>39741483So there's nothing stopping them from coming back to keep fucking with us.
>>39741546That is just normal gameplay
>>39741536So lore wise basically the entire populace turns into alicorns and leave the world for another?
>>39741654>So lore wise basically the entire populace turns into alicorns and leave the world for another?yup. that would be compounds, the sequel game which hasn't been resurrected. not many people liked itessentially you had to ascend in clop to make an alliance on compounds, and everything there was about alliances, you couldn't play without one
>>39741664>you couldn't play without oneKinda dumb concept to be honest.
For new players having trouble choosing an alliance choose the bloc. We're having a pizza party down in the sewers tonight and we're having fun down here. calabunga
>>39741831should you encourage noobs to join an alliance currently at war?
>>39741834How else would they win? They are clearly hoping for some cannon fodder.
>>39741838Not even cannon fodder, just war slaves that can't be attacked for three weeks.
I think we should start drafting an agreement for the offboarder oldfags regarding their distribution in alliances once the server resets.Some claim they will absolutely disperse so as to avoid game-ending concentration of power, but we know they are all chummy with each other. An example we could demand they agree to is no more than 2 of them in any one alliance, and no defense pacts or closer between their alliances for at least the first 3 months of the server's life.
>>39742256Would be an acceptable price if it means getting rid of the discordfags.
Total Nog death
>>39741132>Bloc propaganda is incorrect, we have no intention of attacking any other alliancewaiting for TNN to attack everyone who sent resources to bird as "aggressors" or something lmao
>>39742300No I think the better solution is to just have everyone else go into a "we destroy the discordfags" pact from the start, now that we know their true colorsWith people having actually played the game for a bit now, the difference in speed won't be THAT stark anymore, and they shouldn't be able to just defeat literally everyone else
>>39742664>Be in free market>Be a successful entrepreneur>Birdie bought your resources>Be annexed by discordniggers
>>39742675>TNN already running psyops for post-reset>Get the noobs to think they can fight back because they're "already experienced">Secure aggressors they can annex before the game has even startedC'mon, TNNbros, take it easy on the newfags. It's getting embarrassing.
>>39741669Entire server was still dripping from the prolapsed anuses that Aryanne gave them when they made compounds. Pretty sure the entire game was just a giant cope from losing to him lmao.
A generous buy offer for machine and vehicle parts for 15k per part! Fill now and get your bits!
>>39743172>Generous buy offer>15k>Copper is usually at 13.9klollmao
>>39743172>generous>15klol lmao, 20k each for parts is bottom line
>>39743305It costs a prze 300 to make a part, it's good profit, especially if you have a zigger provider
>>39743357the cost is in energy. unless you are also providing the oil/apples for them to burn and consume to balance out the energy/sat loss
>>39743357>it's good profit, especially if you have a zigger providerWhy yes, it is good profit, if you completely ignore the cost of oil and copper, and don't care that you could get far more value from a trade or even by selling on the marketplace.I wouldn't accept less than 30k, and even that is "wasting my time" territory
>>39743172Very generous indeed.Of me that is. I only sold because your teammate sold me copper for a decent price when all the other damned ziggers are demanding 10k+
>>39743373>30k waste of time territoryI can relate. Anything higher than that is waste of bits, I'd rather burn 30k of currency and manufacture parts myself than feed a przewalskian.
If one was to trade parts for a common good, like copper, what ratio would be fair?My guess would be something like 8:1 or so but I could be off.
>>39743631>12:1The audacity of this bitch10:1 is literally the ceiling and anything below is generosity
>>39743621>>39743631>>39743660I've been trading my copper for parts at 3:1 for weeks now. Don't fall for these scams zebrabros.
>>39743621I barter copper for other goods. I have a few trade partners with slightly different rates. I try and use the better deals where possible, but it depends largely on who is availableapple:copper (3 to 5):1oil:copper (2 to 3):1parts:copper 1:(2 to 3)so to clarify, for 1 copper i'll get from 3 to 5 apples, depending on which of my trade partners the deal is with
>>39743668Bet you need that oil to not get blisters on your perpetually rubbing claws.
>>39743667I pity the stupid Przes that trade with you
>>39743705can't have the poyim discussing their trades. those who are getting jewed might realize
>>39743712And I pity the dumb asses that think parts are worth more than 5 of their basic resource per.
>>397437335 might be acceptable, 3 is absolute crap though, especially since one is required to make the part in the first place.Factor in energy cost and you realize that poor pretzel is getting robbed.
>>39743803Oh, I get the confusion. I pay the 3 to actually make the parts. I provide the required copper/gems/tungsten to use as material myself.
>>39743803copper @ 14kparts @ 45kignoring taxes, that's roughly a 3:1 ratio. anyone paying much more than that is feeding the jewsthough copper is trading higher than oil/appul, so check for your own resource type
>>39743667>>39743668Fuck, I've been getting jewed this whole time.
Goose, my beloved. Please come back. I miss you.
>>39743886how badly?przes gonna prze
>>39743886My fren, would you like to join an alliance instead of getting cucked this whole time?
>>39743939inb4 they're getting jewed by their alliance
>>39743884Those are sell orders and they can be whatever. The fact is my buy orders are met even at 2k per copper. >>39743886You're not getting jewed, now get back in the mine!
>>3974388445k parts anon here, I myself keep to that mentality of 3:1 and always keeping to a fair price based on the last 4 ticks or spots, and if no one buys at the moment then I'm not going to just drop the price and leave them thereMaybe I should rise the base trade to 4... ^:)>>39743947No one ever puts fair priced requests there though, honestly gave up on it myselfAnd you can thank your alliance for the 2k orders filling, surely
>>39744006>And you can thank your alliance for the 2k orders filling, surelyNTA but I find people randomly filling my 1k orders sometimes. not in an alliance
>>39744019The entire order or like 5? That's only happened to me once and I took as a joke from apple sellers giving taste testing or something
>>39744019I used to do that when I had a small GDP so that I could get some quick bits to post a listing
>>39744035today was 80 oil / 25 machine part / 25 vehicle part, all randomly filled by people buying up small noob orders to help out
>>39743942There is no jewery or whatever in my alliance, the name alliances has been tainted unfortunately and apparently the connotations of normal beneficial alliances seems gone
It's honestly impressive how some of you can price copper like this, anything consisntley over 14k just rots on the shelf and you know it.
>>39744265prze claws typed this post
>>39744265Basically yea, I try to only buy way below thatLast two days I was getting for more, so I'm part of the problem, but been on an emergency too, so
>Want to become a free market>Everyone in alliance talking about being state controlled in the futureIt hurts
>>39744899poorly defined economy chads keep winning
>>39742675For what it's worth, TNN hasn't even been trying. In a previous incarnation an alliance called MEPH got to the level of enviros in a week or so. And previous TNNs have ascended before noob protection wore off. You'd just get crushed even harder in a reset if you were obviously antagonistic.
>>39745073Why even play
>>39745127>Why even playmares
>>39743631Jewbird back at it again!
>>39745073Just invest into a spy networkGet a spy in tnn, get crucial info on production, stockpiles and plansPlan accordinglyStockpile shitDon't be a solo nigger thinking he can oneshot an entire allianceAnd you might have a chance
>>39745073>You'd just get crushed even harder in a reset if you were obviously antagonisticin a reset tnn should break up into smaller factions. the oldfag civil war would be much more fun
>>39745344>implying there will be a reset>implying oldfags won't NAP each other>implying TNN discorrdfags leave discord and won't coordinate their trade and defenses while being in different alliances
>>39745127That's what I've been wondering for a while. And it looks like there's no reason to touch this game at all.
War tick in ~4 hours. This is the second iteration of a defensive composition, any feedback?
>>39745423I'm too much of a brainlet to speak on the matter. Either that or the current war guide doesn't make any sense. You figure the displayed forces are enough to endure TNN's attack? That doesn't honestly too horribly expensive given it's against a doomsday army, though it might be hard for JewBird to get resources at this time of day. It's mostly just a shit ton of copper and a couple billion bits. Does anyone know how much he has on hand?
>>39745447It might come down to weapons manufacturing: gems, plastics, and tungsten. Of course, he'll need other resources to maintain basic upkeep on top of the army, as well as extra to maintain his sat. He has to actually build his attacking force in ~4 hours, so it might be worth shooting him a message if you're looking to give some resources yourself.
>>39745453I'm a sand zigger, not the regular kind. I don't have any of that stuff. Sure hope he can pull it off though.If you're reading this, JewBird, good luck. And if you lose, try again. You might wish to change your name, but I urge you to come back, join one of the other alliances as just another anon, and help them take down TNN. If you fall today, we'll need your help to break them tomorrow. Oh, and you'd probably have more support if you promised to scrub your event log somehow. Maybe just spam small deals with a scapegoat so that we don't wind up dead right away if you fail.
Another iteration has been developed, is there any anon that can provide feedback?
Welp, weapons cost a lot of copper. Unless I get more, defense is improbable.
>>39745636If my numbers are correct, I will require 9055 copper, 690 gems, and 155 plastics to finish the proposed defense. I also go to work soon enough.
>>39745659I believe in you birb!\o/
>>39745636>>39745659Buy orders listed, if it is any incentive we can talk about deferred payments I owe after I survive.
>>39745666For anyone considering donating, feel free, I have no plans to attack donors to the bird at this time it'll just make it even more hilarious when I send a bigger army tomorrow
>>39745666>we can talk about deferred payments I owe after I surviveTNN fund their defense, demand crazy interest jewing the jew with bad deals
>>39745666Where are the orders, birb? I would throw in some copper
>>39745757If you were honest you'd have already thrown in instead of concern trolling like that, as I've seen the offer there for over an hour
>>39745844I have checked it and there is none since the moment "orders open" was posted
And the Bird survives!well done mate! I didn't expect you to pull it off.best of luck for the rest of war too.
>>39745855Buy order under 'Friendistan'
>>39745926Can you see 'Friendistan" on the copper buyer's request market?
>>39745938Go back and lie to your dicksword faggots nigger
>>39745855are you embargoed perhaps?
>>39745964Seems like I was. Can see him now.
I'm Star Expedition, diplomatic of the Bloc.I humble ask for you help to this war.
>>39747229don't bump it let it stay on discord.
>>39745887To be fair, he survived just the first wartick. There are still attacking units left on the battlefield that will continue the battle on the next wartick. So he's not in the clear yet. Dunno but there's possibly more underway.
>>39747327Its clear he's on borrowed time if no other Anons can begin to put pressure on Tir directly, as Friendistan has very high GDP and is therefore very lucrative to continuously attack.
>>39747229Looks like it's fucked, chief.
>>39747327I mean I'm the guy attacking him, I knew what was on the way And he's survived again!He's doing very well so far, we'll see how long he can keep it up I guess
Hey hostanon, if I got myself banned and we eventually wipe, would you wipe the ban?:^)
>>39748718What crime have you committed
>>39748718probably not. showing leniency for cheating just encourages more of it. especially if it's multi-fagging since that kills the gameif you have found an exploit or something, doing it to confirm the bug is okay, but I then expect you to report it rather than continue to abuse it
>>39748726Why are you banned then
>>39748729Thanks for the clarification>>39748731Im not. Do you know what a hypothetical is? Key word in my post was "if"
>>39748741what were you considering doing anyway?there's no harm in hypotheticals
>>39748746Nice try, buster! I'm keeping this one in my back pocket
>>39748757narrow it downyou found an exploit, or just good old fashioned rules breaking?
>>39748764That's for me to know, and you to find out!
>>39748781I'm on my way
I am running out of everything, including bits. I fear the worst. Bits, apples, coffee, copper, tungsten, plastics, and some gems are all needed, likely prioritized in that order. The current defense should be enough, but it may be more economic to field more units and more weapons this tick as to eliminate more pegasi faster. Taking buy offers off to avoid taxes, will send deals instead.
>>39748901Im surprised you lasted that long. Does that mean anyone can stand up to combined oldfag autism?
>>39749130>Does that mean anyone can stand up to combined oldfag autism?If >>39745073 is right, probably not.
>>39749130it depends on how developed you are, and how much support you get. war is largely about attrition which is why alliances try and keep large stockpiles when preparing for wardue to exponential sat loss, diminishing returns kick in quickly, so more members matters more than a handful of oldfags
>>39749245This means this thread was whining for no reason all this time?
>>39749311tnn are ahead, and will only pull further ahead due to any nations they conquer in this war with the blocother alliances with more members will get more powerful over time as diminishing returns kick in
So how much glowies are here looking for pizza in an economy game about ponies?
>>39749245>>39749344The fabled diminishing returns that will kick in any day now
>>39749486check the sat loss chart under guides for how quickly that ramps up. diminishing returns are very much real
goebelbird why did you send me death threats?? i've given you all the shit that i have..
>>39749546Berniebird probably missclicked
>>39749546screenshots or it didn't happen (it didn't happen anyway inb4 doctored)
>>39749130>the single largest non-TNN player with the support of his whole alliance plus other anons sending aide can barely survive against the small first wave of oldfag attackersYea sure, there is great hope for resistance!
AAAAAAA MY FUCKING ALLIANCE WON'T PUT UP BUY ORDERS SO I CAN PUMP THEM FULL OF MY THICK, BLACK JUICES AND WON'T GIVE ME THE COPPER TO SWITCH TO COMMUNIST SO I CAN DO IT NON-CONSENSUALLY
AAAAAAA MY FUCKING ALLIANCE WON'T PUT UP BUY ORDERS SO I CAN PUMP THEM FULL OF MY THICK, HARD PARTS AND WON'T GIVE ME THE COPPER TO SWITCH TO FREE STATE SO I CAN DO IT DEEPER AND HARDER
AAAAAAA MY ALLIANCE IS FUCKING DYING
AAAAAHHHH MY ALLIANCE PUTS UP BUY ORDERS SO I FILL THEM WITH MY BIG ROUND APPLES TO THE BRIM
>>39749911message Commonwealth of Mare's nonnyanon we could use more pones but I respect not wanting to abandon yours. we're all anons.
>>39750011It is too late for me
So one of the larger alliances will possibly dissolve soon. If/when that occurs, it would be a very good time to create a changling alliance.
>>39750384Counterpoint: no such thing as bad time to create a changeling alliance
>>39750384I would join a ling alliance- Queen Gytha of Greneclyf
We've earned a day's break from conflict; make sure to give what you can to help defend against the Tir aggressor!
>>39750746The longer TNN and the bloc are in conflict, the better, as newer players will finally be able to catch up. Ideally the conflict never ends.
>>39750756Hooray for forever wars and the military industrial complex
>>39750756>>39750857The war ends as soon as the Bloc dies, unless they manage to successfully delay their demise enough to the point Anons can start pushing back against these discordniggers. Tir's prize is one of the most productive and well-developed nations, and they have already grinded thousands of units, burned stockpiles, and hundreds of millions of bits all for this. They won't give up after investing this much, so the Bloc needs others to stay persistent as well.
>>39750384the time is now
>>39750384>>39751029>>39751060Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZeu7_MEbXY
Join the World Economic forum. Or make your own bugfag alliance so I don't have to be in charge.
>>39734796multifagging will not be tolerated.though thanks I guess, I have been able to improve the cheat detection methods by examining your behaviorif any vpn multifags want to come forwards we can arrange you to keep one account, and appropriate punishment for whatever benefit you got by multying.if I catch you, there will be no mercy
>>39751224You'll never catch me
This game is becoming a job reeeeee
>>39751240Find new ways to make the game fun
Offering hoof jobs for 7 precision parts.
>>39751250So he should attack TNN?
>>39751261That would work
WAKE THE FUCK UP DL JUST DISSOLVED
>>39751278new bugfucker alliance when?
>>39751278More like the Suicide League lmao
Any DL members without a home are welcome to join the Cozy Campers. We offer free, unlimited marshmallows, and wilderness survival classes every Friday.
I hereby proclaim that gmares is basedThat is all
>>39751334You have requested to join Changeling Economic Forum.
>>39750756We have always been at war with Tir Na Nog.
>>39751354Thanks nigger!!!best of luck to buggos: know that the Kirins wish (You) well
The Changeling Economic Forum welcomes all DL refugees
Totally *Not* Changelings in the *Changeling* Economic Forum? Scandalous.
>We're the good guys!>It doesn't matter that we're the aggressors beating down on a weaker opponent, stop asking questions poyim!
>>39751906What are you going to do about it, faggot?
Looks like I caught the hubbub too late. DL members, if there are any remaining not currently in another alliance, you are of course also welcome in Maresaw!
>>39751906https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJHDb6riM4&ab_channel=LikonanI believe in the defense anon, if it ends it ends here o7 /)
rip nigger, may be joining you in suicide depending on how the offboarder attack goes a shame you couldn't hold out to see where this ends.
>>39752387Aw man. Dealing with him was fun, a shame to see nigger get off the ride.
Since I got a couple of messages about it I might as well clarify the background of what happened to everyone at once. Several of the DL's most active members lost interest and dropped when it became clear the discord clique had no qualms using their advantage to go out and steamroll others. I kind of lost interest myself, plus I was spending way too much time in the game, so a break was in order. I stuck around for a few more days though to help in the war effort in the ways that I could (and also to try to see if I could find someone to hand over leadership to, but that was not to be).And now with my stockpiles exhausted my duty is done. There are multiple really great alliances out there, and with nobody interested in leading the DL currently, I disbanded it. I know that the spirit of the DL will be carried on, because I was far from the only one who cared, and I do believe that the board-centric factions can and will prevail.(And we already got a bugfag faction created from the kernel of bugfags that had purely coincidentally congregated in DL, which is great.)I might make a new nation at some point later if I get interested in the game again, probably will join one of the other based alliances rather than making my own again if I do kek.
>>39750864We will not die úntil their head rest in a pike
>>39752489>pictured: jewbird asking nigger if he's got any war supplies
>>39752489based, cya around the board anon
>>39752489sad to see you gohope you return some day to see the discordnigger menace be purged
>>39752489Don't clarify dammit. I was going to use your downfall for psyops and falseflagging
TNN delenda est
>>39752675gonna be a dead thread or one infinitely bumped by OP when it's shown to be in TNN's favor and anons leave.
>"!!!, um, hi, please join my alliance, thanks">"You like mare">"You like trade">"You like growth">"You like free will">"You will like, numget promise, cross my heart and hope to fly stick a cupcake in my eye"
>>39752489You coudlve let one of us attack you and take your nation over.
>>39752925That would be rather cheesy
>>39752925Damn, that's devious.
>>39751906Are you the Bird?Whether you are, or you're merely another player in the Bloc, I have a request for you.Try again.All these people who are quitting because the alliance they hate is winning are contemptible cravens. TNN will win with ease if you just walk away. Try again. Change your name to avoid drawing attention, and join another alliance, ideally one of the ones that tried to help you. Pick a nation type that will be of use to your intended alliance, and settle in for the long haul. TNN can't be stopped without your help, and death doesn't excuse you from your duty to your ponies!
If you annex a nation, what is its satisfaction set to? Is there a grace period before it can self destruct? I ask because sufficiently enormous armies could blow up a nation in just a few ticks if there's no satisfaction generation, and the conqueror could lose it if they're not around for a little while after it's conquered.Can JewBird play 900 dimensional chess like that?
>>39734796War Mechanics Issue:If troop forces are split into small stacks (of 1 being the worst), any damage over and above what it took to kill that single unit is lost.This doesn't sound like much at first, but at large scale it becomes a serious problemAny math is rough to show why this is a problem. It is not intended to be absolutely preciseAs an example: suppose a defender has a GDP of 10 millionWith that they could create 600 scrounged/scrounged cavalry a day. The attacker would require 800 equipped units to kill them (since max damage is now 1, and then the defender bonus on top)Let's say the attacker sent unarmoured ACFU to minimise the cost(ignoring carry capacity for simplicity, it would be even worse in a real scenario).Attackers Cost: 200m bits, 8,000 copper, 800 machine parts and 16,000 applesDefenders Cost: 120m bits, 3000 applesA chart: https://files.catbox.moe/k6kfi2.pngOn the left is the defener using this strategy, while on the right is the attacker using it.Negative numbers represent the amount of damage a weapon loses in this strat, positive numbers just mean the unit already couldn't win a 1v1.Massive respect to GoebelBird. When this was brought up as something that would change in the future, they merged most of their forces even though it was not necessary yetThis will need to be changed in the future, though I am uncertain on the best way to go about it. Changing the war calculations themselves is incredibly difficult and risky, it would be better to wait for the Moonbutt's entire rewrite of the code than do that.It may be possible to have identical unit/weapon/armor types automatically be merged just before the war tick. This is the method I will likely try and use currentlyIt could also be made a rule not to do this. But then the question becomes 'how many small stacks is too many?'. Anything subjective like this will lead to me getting dragged into constant debates, with whichever side loses feeling this is 'admin abuse reeee!'Another possibility is an additional upkeep cost per force stack.I welcome any other suggestions to solve this.Once the method has been decided upon, there will be lead-in time before it is changed. I don't want players to feel mechanics were changed in the middle of a war for 'muh favortism'
>>39753212The armies are still owned by the attacking nation, they pay the cost
>>39753212I mean, a related question would be, what if a nation manages to tank itself down to like -4999 satisfaction, sets itself up to be massively sat negative BUT stockpiles a shitton of pies and apples and uses it to barely keep itself in balance, and right before it gets conquered throws its stockpile to an ally or something?Bonus point if there's another allied party who can simultaneously make sure the pie and apple markets are absolutely awful at that point.This would send the attacker into a mad dash to fix the sat problem before the very next tick. And if they happen to not be online at the time the war tick resolves (maybe they're confident in their victory and went to sleep intending to manage the nation in the morning), insta-lose it. But, it technically wouldn't be killing your own nation!Similar strategy might be to absolutely tank relations with a superpower and summon as many of their units as possible, right before you get conquered. Also obviously get rid of any stockpiles you have. If you can defend well enough to whittle down the attacking army, and summon a huge enough army from the SE/NLR, the attacker would basically also have to scramble to build up a huge army to defend before the next war tick, and might not even be able to if they just barely conquered you. But it's still not destroying your nation - it's the attacker's problem that they lost it!
RIP Rodesia. Looks like only 3 DL members survived
>>39753550>RIP Rodesiarip based bugfrensthey will be missed
>>39753550>"RODESIA WILL NEVER DIE... Probably.">This user is nationless!You hate to see it
>>39753192>TNN will win with ease if you just walk away.TNN will also win nothing if everyone just walks away. They keep talking about the future plans, how they want ascensions to function, when resets should happen, or how they're waiting to see who will be the first to build a statue, how they will organise the oldfag factions in the future...Don't think they are counting on the possibility of chasing everyone away through their faggotry, which would leave them alone with no iterations or resets or ascensions or statues or anything to worry about.
>>39753626>they are enjoying the game!>what faggotry!>I must leave!Cucked behaviour
>>39753626you would abandon mares after one battle?bird bro fucked up by discussing war plans against tnn. provided no other alliances do the same then tnn have no justification to invade, so any further hostility by tnn would be seen as nothing more but a land grabdiminishing returns are a thing, and even a new nation can grow fast if they build efficiently and get good trade deals. i'm seeing 19 players in tnn (and protectorates). 6 in ffa (neutral?) and 51 in the other alliances (relations unknown. bird has been getting support from somewhere)
>>39753645>so any further hostility by tnn would be seen as nothing more but a land grab...And?
>>39753647it's hard to maintain their 'muh world police' thing if they attack without provocationand I believe many who are on the fence would turn against them. tnn could not stand up against most of the other players combined
>>39753645>then tnn have no justification to invadeAnd that's stopping them how exactly?
>>39753671>it's hard to maintain their 'muh world police' thing if they attack without provocationI don't think all that many people are taking that seriously. They keep trying to larp as some kind of advanced political intrigue simulator, while at the same time shitting on the board and even MLP itself and making clowns of themselves.I don't think there are that many fence-sitters, and those that do remain loyal to them most likely are already sympathetic enough that it would be easy to use even a weak excuse to justify. "Look they sent materials to Jewbird (something which a significant portion of the free alliances are doing), they are hostile!" or "Look, they are only pretending to be friendly!". Ultimately even the same justification as that used for jewbird: "If we don't attack them now, they'll attack us later!"
>>39753682Shouldn't have been planning to attack tnn no matter what around spies after denying a nap
>>39753645>>39753691>fighting off TNN is totally possible guys!>just don't ever discuss it or plan for it or you'll be attacked lol
>>39753700>>just don't ever discuss it or plan for it or you'll be attacked lolhave an inner circle. keep war plans to in-game messages (not alliance wide either) to mitigate the possibility of spiesbirdie talking openly about war plans (not just on tnn btw, if you read the logs he wanted some kind of nap with tnn and free reign to attack the weaker alliances) in an alliance made up primarily of debt slaves isn't the most reliable method
>>39753707>if you read the logs he wanted some kind of nap with tnn and free reign to attack the weaker alliancesMy favourite part is how the narrative changes between "he was planning to attack TNN!" and "he wanted a no-direct-aggression pact with TNN, and was planning to bully smaller nations!" depending on the argument.Is planning any kind of war at all against other nations now sufficient to provoke TNN? You could make the argument that his plans were initially scummy, but does this mean we're now submitting to total disarmament by TNN mandate? Will other alliances get attacked if they ever show any signs of military inclination against anyone at all?Of course TNN will come out and say "No! Not at all! We promise we have no plans to attack anyone but the bloc, you don't have to worry goy!", but actions do speak louder than words.
>>39753723Read the logs ffs. First the nonaggression period while conquering noobs, second a war with tnn no matter what, either by proxy or when amassing enough power
>>39753723I would need to go through the logs to figure out the timing, and don't care enough tobut I suspect it was initially wanting to attack tnn, realizing it would be a huge gamble, and deciding to try get permission to attack weaker nations until they were strong enough to take tnn. it's the kind of pragmatic approach I would expect from the birdas for what warfare tnn will allow, perhaps they should make a statement
>>39753754No warfare is allowed. but if you want to make a statue or a dna extraction facility feel free to!
>>39753761>No warfare not started by TNNClarification
>>39753761>no warfare allowedBased, no mares will die
One of my alliance members cannot see the deals I'm sending to him, they aren't showing up in his inbox. He's not Free Market. Any reason why this might happen?
>>39753935no?have them send a screenshot of what they seeit will be under 'capitalism' - 'deals'
>>39753958He already did, no incoming deals. And I'm certain I didn't send it to the wrong person or anything, I checked several times.
>>39753975Show your deals page
>>39753975I can see the deal in the database, there is no obvious reason why it's not showing upand yes, you did send it to the right personi'll try and replicate on the test server once i've had some sleep
>>39753975>36 unread messageswtf how are you so popularare you using the messaging system as real-time chat for ERP or something
>>39754121It's not me, it's my team member. I'm guessing he just doesn't mark read after reading.
>>39754121>are you using the messaging system as real-time chat for ERP or somethingNTAbut it's a trading game, how do you get good deals if you don't talk to lots of people?pic related
>>39754168>how do you get good deals if you don't talk to lots of people?You join an alliance and silently fulfil buy orders while people fulfil yours, and never interact with anyone outside your alliance
>>39754176and when do you do the erotic roleplay in exchange for machine parts?
>>39754121Yes I use SAP to manage my nation's inventories
>>39754121>he doesn’t collude to backstab the person he’s backstabbing after he helps him backstab someone
>>39754168Are those nested reply chains? How did you get that?
>>39754244There's a userscript that got posted earlier itt
>>39753707>need to use numbers advantage to fight back>can only talk about it with a small inner circle of players though
>>39754244the script is from this post >>39735380For some reason I thought it would get integrated by hostanonI'm on Edge so I just use tampermonkey
So if I understand right, TNN's party line is that there's no war ever, and if you declare war on anybody you get zerg rushed by TNN? That seems decidedly against the spirit of the game.
>>39754369Don't like it? Fight them then
>>39754369>and if you declare war on anybody you get zerg rushed by TNN?More like if there's even a whiff of vaguely potentially considering fighting somewhere in the future down the line at some point maybe, you get zerg rushed by TNN for "safety"
>>39754176Or you can be like me and literally not even be in an alliance. Just happily being a jew placing buy orders for things when they're cheap and sell orders for things when they're expensive.
Is there a cap on how high you can get relations with a superpower through shipments? Like, if I dropped 7,200 tungsten oil on Luna to get 900 reputation and then bought environmental facilities without ever making a worship centre for her, would it work?
>>39754168Dat font rendering, wtf is wrong with GNUcucks
>>39754492Yep that works
>>39753754>as for what warfare tnn will allow, perhaps they should make a statementFrom their alliance page >In response to confusion on /mlp/:We will not intervene in external wars unless one party is hostile towards (or allied/guaranteed by) TNN.
>>39754577If their alliance page doesn't mention any affinity with TNN and we attack, but there is a hidden agreement of some sort, would we be notified of this and given the option to withdraw? I assume so, but I want to make sure there are no unfortunate misunderstandings.
>>39754598Absolutely, the first step is always diplomacy, especially when somebody couldn't have known any better -tkoe
>>39754561Thanks, fren. It seems like that would be a lot cheaper than building and maintaining 30+ worship centres.Now where the FUCK and I going to get 7,200 oil?
>>39754389I was hoping the Defamation League's logs would leak to see how they were working with Jewbird, what plans they were making, and what the response would be
>>39754679Oil is the most abundant resource by number because frackers are crazy. If you know any remotely advanced saddle arabians you can get a few thousands oil easily.
It's over lads. I banzai charged and it was gloriously retarded. Remember me well. I am now free of this curse.
>>39754812I still don't understand why all of you are doing this. Like, you hate TNN and all, so you're going to help them win?
>>39754841I didn't hate anyone. I just wanted to attack the player with the strongest power level. Plus, I think someone else is invading me outside of TNN anyways so it's not like I helped them.
>>39754841>winVictory is only meaningful if the game is taken seriously. At this point it feels like most people no longer do so and are just messing around for the memes. There's no glory in "winning" a glorified sandbox where most people end up just throwing their nations around and you're the only one autistically larping and min-maxing until everyone else has their fun, gets bored, and dips.
>>39753276Merging identical units sounds good enough to me. I'm loathe to add any more costs to war by including costs to stacks without any kind of benefit to go with it beyond a defender's exploit.
>>39754857>Victory is only meaningful if the game is taken seriouslyIf it's any consolation, i'm taking it seriously- Queen Gytha
Please come back, Goose. We need your help!
The TOTALLY NOT THE segregational states offers two deals!To small independent nations:let me invade you! Message if interested <3To Tir: crying, let me invade small nations!!
>>39753276>ACFU -0.125So is this suggesting that, because you are losing 1/8th of damage for every unit, for every 1000 units you need to include an extra 125? Because that doesn't seem so bad. Remember that the defender is also dealing extremely little damge, so its not like you'll have to replace troops.I also unstacked my troops because I did not think it was effective for what I was attempting to accomplish.
>>39755051If one's so desperate then you know who to focus and attack...
>>39755112Bring it. I don't want to start a war, but if you're going to give me an excuse to take your nation I won't complain.Unless you're TNN, then please leave me alone. I am scared.
>>39755139when I turn 21 I might ask for a 1v1 without any alliance help on either side (though how to enforce that and prevent cheating on the terms?)
>>397551791v1 you in a game about cooperation and teams? Alright. Neither of us are able to import or use resources our nations don't produce. Looks like we're both dead instantly! Hurray!
>>39755207Unless he's a burro, and his entire intention was just outlasting you all along.
>>39755234Shit, you're right. I've been outplayed.
A competent defense will require the Bird, at minimum, these resources for the first round. If I cannot gather these resources, then it may be the end.
>>39755234*cries in copper*it seems 1v1 self produced isn't feasible, unless someone has burro vs burro fightspeople would have to stockpile before hand, which makes it moot since then it becomes whichever alliance dumps the most stockpiles into thisa shame, it sounded fun at first
>>39755255When's the deadline?
>>39755311The attack happens in about 3 hours, but I will likely be offline in 30 minutes to an hour.>>39753276>You have too many different unitsWas this added to counter singlestack unit spam, or is there already a limit in place, making this a nonissue?
>>39755323You can merge unlimited units into one forcegroup, stacked or not
>>39755337Am I doing something wrong? Even if I try to split off more in a different group, I still get this error. Seems like there's a hard limit of 99 different units.
>>39755350Splitting them off is the opposite of what you want, merge some units together and you should be able to create more, there's a limit on forcegroups, not units.Unless something has changed
>>39755255Rip, even if every zigger outside TNN sends you their next tick's output they won't be able to fill this without straining their stockpiles.
>Currently claiming the nations of the First Trade Pact, to ensure the rest of the game can grow in peace"Peace" my ass, I could have prevented this. I could have kept the status quo, I am sorry for being a pussy...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytkIf Cozy, Maresaw, FFA, gm_mares, Changeling Economic Forum, New Moon Spice Trade, Commonwealth of Mare, The Aisthesis, and Team Chrono does not all step up to fight against Tir, this delay will have been for nothing.
>>39755435in the name of Team Chrono:lollmao even
Without outside intervention, the end will come very soon.
>>39755435My alliance is not in any shape to do anything militarily against TNN. Do you need supplies?
>>39755518NTA but it looks like goebels needs gems and copper and a lot of it
A great deal.
>>39755772From a complete stranger, I should add.
>>39755435>this delay will have been for nothingAlways was
>>39755895>>39755435It's not for nothing, even if we lose.
>>39755772Damn that's pretty good. According to your earlier spreadsheet that's only 3k copper short of your full planned defense, right?
>>39755902You're right. It was for TNN's benefit
>>39755772In any iteration of this game, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone burn PLAYERS as ablative armor. Powering a defense with the closest thing to actual blood sacrifices is not something I had ever envisioned as a strategy.
>>39755969>this is the first time I've ever seen anyone burn PLAYERS as ablative armor. Powering a defense with the closest thing todo you mean if I destroy things I can get supplies back, I haven't destroyed anything but might if it means I can send something
>>39755985No, you fucking finsub.
>>39755969What do you mean. Just sending resources? Has nobody ever gotten help from someone else by sending them stuff before?
>>39756011he probably checked the logs and found whoever send that has nothing now
>>39756012wrong admin, that one is from a previous iteration of >clop and can't access the logs>>39756011>>39755985he means this player quit, and dumped all their stockpiles while quitting for the war effort
>>39756012I'm not privy to any admin info, and I don't need to be to figure things out. I'm the original admin, I have no control over this version (nor do I want any and Hostanon consistently reminds me why)
>war tick passed>nothing in the newsBird holds out another wave?
>>39756296Reinforcements won't come for another day, it is time to recover our resolve and finish out this battle! This defeat will be costly for Tir; let there be hope!
>>39756367Never surrender. Never give up. Fight till the end.
This is my wife. Say something nice about her.
>>39756565She can become my waifu so she's alright
>>39756565bugs are cutehug the bug
>>39757217inb4 degradation is her fetish
>>39755435None of us in the spice trade can even fight yet.
>>39756565She sure does get around, I'll give her that.
>>39751224I can't imagine this is prohibited, but I want to make good and sure anyway because I'm paranoid.Recruiting a friend to help me is okay, right?You'll have no trouble proving they're a different person. They live in a different city, and will be connecting from a home IP. I only ask because hope we'll be coordinating much more smoothly than would normally be possible. It might look suspicious when a brand new account gets a massive care package without a word, then proceeds to perfectly support the first account. But as long as we're obviously two different people it should be okay, right?
>>39757606Players using offsite comms and helping friends is nothing new.As long as you aren't being a multi-fag on a vpn then it's perfectly fine.
>>39757610>rdp to office PC is fineYay
>>39755467who are you anon? I can help
Wew, infighting is happening now?
>>39757606>It might look suspicious when a brand new account gets a massive care package without a word, then proceeds to perfectly support the first account.You just described what happens in every real alliance
>>39757949Could also simply be Red Mare quitting and deciding to donate his nation of course
With bird lasting so long, you'd think it would be a good time for a counter-offensive
>>39758025If there's someone who can muster the armies for that, then I think it'd be fantastic. Feels like everyone's already pooling all their resources just to enable the defense, though
>>39757950I asked, it's fine he was done with the game
>>39757950Explaining the situation:>Red Mare was Maresaw-affilated.>Out of his own volition and without consulting with his alliance he sent attacking army to Archaeopolis (TNN).>Surprise, it was not enough. >After short discussion between TNN and Maresaw they decided to take out their rogue member on their own.>Successfully. We're here now.
>>39758233>they decided to take out their rogue memberAlright, so they're not just disavowing the aggression, they are outright allying with TNN on military matters.That is good to know.
>>39758233>Showing just as a NAP on paper>In truth, they're another satellite alliance hidden in plain sightTheir skeletons finally comes out for a show...
>>39758314>>39758330Guys consider this>MareQuest attacks TNN>TNN says they will attack back in retaliation, but is willing to work with Maresaw to clear up the misunderstanding because they had an NAP>the MareQuest nation is doomed either way now>if Maresaw just ejects MQ, Tir will conquer and will have a new nation>(or Maresaw can shelter MQ and endorse its actions, but they've expressed strong interest in remaining defensively oriented in the past)>the third option is for Maresaw to attack MQ themselves, thus placating TNN, while denying them the extra nation and instead keeping it for themselvesIf Red wasn't quitting, it could even have been a strategy to get Maresaw an extra nation. As it is it's nation-neutral, but at least denies TNN the spoils and maintains the NAP.Seems like a relatively smart diplomatic decision to me. The only negative is the poor optics if its motivations get misunderstood.
>>39758330>>39758314The alternative was probably war with TNN, not sure we can actually draw any conclusions from this. on the plus side, this is evidence that TNN will actually use diplomacy.
>>39758314>>39758330>RedMare launches an attack>Obvious paper trail showing it was funded by Maresaw>Ohshit>Repeatedly requests that they withdraw>Lol no, I'm quitting and want to die>Calls TNN, explains situation>Attacks a player who has quit the gameThe choice was either funding a proxy war with TNN and being caught doing it, OR attacking someone who has quit the game and doesn't intend to survive. Seems like a clear choice to me.
Starting, sending aid for, or otherwise getting involved in a war without the agreement of your alliance is effectively betraying your alliance.Players are advised to familiarize themselves with gang dynamics or other primate troupe psychology before providing supplies to belligerents or even looking at the war tab.tl;dr the playerbase is, amazingly, not being nigger enough
>>39758361>This is evidence that TNN will actually use diplomacy>Reddit spacingWhatever you say TNNfag
Buying machine parts for 20000
>>39758694>Copper at 25klollmao
>>39758704Why do ziggers do this?You'd have to be truly desperate to buy copper for over 7000.
>>39758704>Meanwhile chink is selling copper at 12klollmao
>>39759105>Why do ziggers do this?there is a copper shortage, and a war going onziggers gonna zig
>>39759105Because some people are truly desperate.
new bread soon?
>>39759378It's ded then?
>>39759311No, it's over
>>39759449>It's ded then?Players ActiveLast 24 Hours: 86seems fine to me desu
>>39759457>not in the 90's anymore It's over...
>>39759311thread moved to discord
We are not yet free of the cycle of Samsara>>39759879>>39759879>>39759879
>>39759885>We are not yet free of the cycle of SamsaraSkill issue
>>39759105>Copper bellow the standard of 10k should be the norm.Wow you actually wrote this, is someone with a knife to your neck?Anyone who sells at that price is a untrained chill and deserves bankruptcy