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Previous thread: >>36888102

/ourlobby/: Leaf
Status page: http://leaf.qttourney.com

===== Events =====
QT TOURNEY WAIFU WARS 4: Saturday May 22nd at 4PM EST most likely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO49yInVBik

QT TOURNEY #37 MANE BRACKET: Someday eventually
QT TOURNEY #37 NEET BRACKET: Eventually someday

Any unlisted tourneys are a result of you not making the thread and will be posted in-thread by those with access to them

===============

Steam page: http://store.steampowered.com/app/574980/Thems_Fightin_Herds/
Patch Notes: http://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=574980
Most recent dev update: https://forums.themsfightinherds.com/index.php?threads/development-update-5.2374/
https://forums.themsfightinherds.com/index.php?threads/785/
Fighting Game Beginner's Guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lKYmLqfbLibXy0LAwatZLw8yojaB8xVkGysOgZnm2uI/
Mizuumi Wiki
https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Them's_Fightin'_Herds

>1.0 trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBOSUOLTXM [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
Shanty trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiw3kMTAVFo [Embed] [Embed]

OLD POLL:
https://www.strawpoll.me/42862630
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>>36951784
Foenum is round and rotates around Velvet.
The curvature of velvet's tummy while laying down proves it.
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goat
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>>36951416
>1.0 trailer:
Pretty sure that's outdated.
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>>36951416
>Any unlisted tourneys are a result of you not making the thread and will be posted in-thread by those with access to them
Can I not sleep for 13 hours without the thread shitting itself?

===== Events =====
QT TOURNEY WAIFU WARS 4: Saturday May 22nd at 4PM EST most likely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO49yInVBik [Embed]

QT TOURNEY #37 MANE BRACKET: Someday eventually
QT TOURNEY #37 NEET BRACKET: Eventually someday

ECCS #3 (9th May 4PM CEST):
https://www.challonge.com/eccs_3/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3mDx0n8ww0
>European Only

the Fauna (5th May 9PM KST):
https://smash.gg/tournament/fauna-weekly-them-s-fightin-herds-weekly-tournament-may-5th/details
>Asia, Russian or Oceania only

Dawn of Revival Gaiden (23rd May 6:45PM CEST):
https://challonge.com/DoR_TFH
>European Only

WNF x NorCal #59 (5th May 7PM PST);
https://smash.gg/tournament/wnf-x-norcal-online-episode-59/event/them-s-fightin-herds-7-00pm/overview
>North America Only
===============

Stampede Circuit Dates
==================
- A̶p̶r̶i̶l̶ ̶2̶4̶t̶h̶
- May 29th
- June 26th
- July 31st
https://smash.gg/league/stampede-tournament-circuit/details

- May 8th 1PM CST | Mad Cow Melee
https://smash.gg/tournament/mad-cow-melee-the-circuit/
>200 Points available
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>>36951825
nice
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>>36952429
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>>36952429
n o i c e
that looks like pinkie's outfit from over a barrel
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>>36952429
She's usually naked.
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>>36952579
>Ywn pleasure Paprika and give her this face
Bros...
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>>36952828
That's the face she makes when someone opens her gifts.
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>>36952828
Grain, eyes on the road, you're gonna die.
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Found this by searching TFH. Turns out Nappy is in all of the maps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGnFAjqtPdA
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>>36951965
thanks brah
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>>36953249
Neat. I saw someone coming out of the ari map secret cave once, but never bothered figuring out where the entrance was
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>>36951893
They haven't made a better trailer since then at showcasing the whole game in my opinion.
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>36953969
!!!
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>>36954039
Wasn't there an animated version of this?
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>>36954258
It's time to retake ALL the screenshots.
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>>36954258
Very nice
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Is it possible for TFH to have crossplay between Ps4/5 and PC?
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>>36954315
It would have to exist on PS4/5 first.
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>>36954315
Those have to EXIST first but see power rangers
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>>36954258
her butt looks even more touchable now
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>>36954258
The CHAD high definition cow.
THe VIRGIN blurry Unicorn.
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>>36954602
She'd be a virgin anyways since she turned her fanfictions into her boyfriend.
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>>36954315
Sony has a reputation about not liking crossplay but it's possible like >>36954326 says.
I don't think a PS port is very likely to happen ever, and if it does it would be in about 2023.
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>>36954659
Weak burn but the comparison still got me
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>>36954692
Apparently Sony wants money from the devs if they implement crossplay, as revealed in a document from the Epic/Apple lawsuit.
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>>36954315
Doable, done in other games and if Mane6 is smart they won't release it on any consoles without crossplay so the playerbase doesn't get split.
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A lot of videos on TFH stuff recently have been completed wiped from the YouTube channel known as Twilbry.

He had some videos that were hacking the game and getting to normally inaccessible areas and talking with the NPC's on the Island in Reine City, as well as Tarragon, the Alpaca in the Highlands that isn't normally accessible without hacks. Does anyone have a backup of these where he talks to the inaccessible NPCs? Because I remember they have dialogue but I don't want the footage to be lost to time.
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>>36955684
Scritch the cow
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>>36956206
Why it was deleted? Some bot or something dumb?
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>>36956275
They decided to leave the TFH community and deleted everything that they ever made related to it. They were the only person who knew how to hack the game the way they did.

That's why I'm trying to get it back.
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>>36956295
What, is there some drama related to the community already?
Why'd anyone need to cover their tracks from buckin' tfh?
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>>36956302
There's no drama or nothing as far as I am aware, they just decided to leave on their own accord. (at least that's what they told me)

I have no idea why they decided to delete everything they ever did in the past.

I
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Hm, "rutting" might be a better word replacement choice now that I think about it.
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>>36956333
Nice trips.

Surely, there's gotta be someone else here who can figure out how to hack the game like Twilbry did.
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I could hack the game and already have but I rather learn how to play arizona again.
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>>36956206
It's sort of funny, but there's a somewhat similar discussion going on about Fimfiction right now, and the possibility of that getting deleted or wiped.
>>36952778
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>>36956355
Can you tell us how you did it?
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>>36956355
That, and what exactly it is that you did?
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>>36956379
I moved into walls a lot and looked at placeholder.
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>>36956380
Were you able to access the island in the middle of Reine City, and the inaccessible Alpaca in the Highlands? (In Story Mode?)
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>>36956385
I never tried. Most of what I was doing was just screwing around in the end pyramid and messing around looking for secrets.

I have ran into a few things that were placeholder text or just things I didn't understand. The story hasn't been updated I assume so nothing probably changed.
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>>36956392
Can you tell us how you did it? Was it easy or was it hard? Did you have to do it all on your own or was there a program that you used?
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>>36956355
Just stoomp and 6Bee
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>>36956494
sounds like a good way to die
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>>36956206
>>36956295
>>36956333
>no drama just delete lol

Goddamnit I hate fucking faggots who do shit like that. It's not like this MLP, just why.
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>>36956206
Is Twilbry kill?
Apparently even his Steam Guides are gone.
God damnit, I'm gonna miss that fucker
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>>36956537
Someone recreated the Steam Guide on the Runes but other than that I still think everything else is lost.

And yeah, as far as I know he isn't wanting to be involved in TFH anymore.
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It's probably some ponypurge phase, tfh just got caught in the crossfire.
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damn you ponies and your cold wars
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>>36956522
I think he implied it was mental health. People gotta log stuff on wikis I guess.
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>>36956648
>he was mentally unsound
well i suppose that's to be expected,
you need a certain degree of autism to be that engrossed in a fantasy world of magical ungulates
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>>36956576
Well okay but why not just bury the channel and switch to something else I dunno.
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>>36956652
If this other hacker person in here can tell us how he did it, maybe one of us can take up the mantle and find all this unaccessible stuff.
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>>36956730
Nobody who does this wants to spend time teaching a bunch of people how to barely get around.
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>>36956522
Great... At least I have a few cute pictures saved.
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>>36956791
I don't nessecarily mean "teach us how to hack the game". The person who was doing it before and showing us all the out of bounds secrets has, ya know, LEFT, and isn't doing it anymore. So I want to see if it is something that I could do in his stead. Either that, or find someone else who knows how to do it check all the stuff and show us what could be found or what was found already by the guy who chose to delete all his stuff.
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>>36956791
I am curious about what exists outside of the playable space, and that's what Twilbry used to provide, but now that he's not around to do it anymore I would like to see if I can do it myself, or at least get in touch with someone else who has done that before and has something to show.
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>>36957044
>>36957048
All the pixel maps are in the .tfhres file
.tfhres is just a sqlite database. It's got a bunch of tables with columns for filename + metadata + a bigass binary blob for the entire file contents. You can write a little script to extract it all
The maps are all .tmx files so you can open them in Tiled. If you edited the collision layer and wrote it back into the .tfhres database then presumably the collisions would change in-game. Or you can just look around the map in the editor and see all the out-of-bounds stuff.
Dialogue is a little harder since it's all compiled to Inkle """bytecode""" actually json, goddamn webshits but it's not hard to spot the actual text at least. Otherwise you'll probably have to delete collisions or whatever and go talk to the character in-game
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>>36957872
Trippy
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>>36957872
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>>36955684
Scritch
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>>36959036
Cow is transcending this dimension.
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>>36957788
I, uhhh... don't know how to code, like, at all.What kind of script are we talking about?
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>>36957788
What file type is the dialogue located in in the game files? is it included inside of .tfhres or is it somewhere else?
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Do you think Paprika would settle down and be completely loyal if your or someone genuinely, romantically loved her?
I feel like, because of her simple mind and quickness to crushes, even if you wanted to be her husbando, she might still pursue others, if anything out of habit or maybe a "More Love More Better" mentality.
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>>36960837
I didn't read any of this but I can tell it's bad.
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>>36960837
I think it'd be an open relationship by default.
The more friends you bring in to the cuddle pile the happier she'll be.
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>>36960822
Like a little Python script or something. Python has sqlite support built in, which is convenient

>>36960835
Inkle bytecode, like I said. Look for .ink or .inkc files inside the .tfhres
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>>36960847
It's pretty bad.
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This has been bothering the hell out of me, but are the lines above Vel and Ollie's heads supposed to be eyebrows, or visual marks to show the shape of their skulls?
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>>36961368
Eyebrows, they help with facial expression
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>>36961368
Unrealistic cartoony eyebrows. The other way of handling it is having them magically appear when you need the character to do certain expressions (see Female Sonic characters).

Also, still no Fred icon :(
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>>36960837
Unless there's something about her personality that we don't know about I'm inclined to believe the "More Love More Better" mentality.
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>>36962081
Seeing her smile makes me want to DIE.
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>>36962815
As he said with a cow flag.
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>>36962955
I hate creepy hyperactive "things" that try to hug and Kiss strangers which would include me.
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>>36961368
Guys I think Velvet is trying to eye fuck me.
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>>36963119
>eye fuck
it's called skullfuck
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>>36961195
Do I have to write the code myself?
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>>36963239
Do you have magic?
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>>36963697
Only 2 bars of super
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>>36951965
>- May 8th 1PM CST | Mad Cow Melee
>https://smash.gg/tournament/mad-cow-melee-the-circuit/
>>200 Points available
Who entering this?
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>>36964107
nICE
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Who I would want to smash from most to least: Arizona, Oleander, Pom, Velvet, Shanty, Tianhuo and finally but hopefully never... Craprika.
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>>36965277
>Paprika
>Last to smash
>Implying you have a choice
Laughs in cinnamonroll
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>>36965597
>and finally but hopefully never
>Forgets to read the "and finally but hopefully never" part
Also I said would want to smash from most to least, not who I would smash from most likely to least likely.

You really need to get your photorecptors checked out and repaired.
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>>36965277
This but swap Arizona and Velvet
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>>36965597
Okay wait, I think I actually misread something for once.


TO HELL WITH YOUR GODDAMN STALE/BURNT ASS CINNAMONROLLS.

I ran and slid on the floor and rammed my leg into a shelf which deeply cut into my ankle and shook it off in 15 seconds. I landed on my back and shook it off in 5 seconds. I shook off black eyes instantly and passed them off as less painful than bee stings. I have been beaten with a shelf while sitting and remained sitting down while barely moving. I can break a person's jaw and I never worked out except a total of a few minutes.


Add that on top of my fear induced rage and I'm going to pound that alpaca ass into at least a small bloody mess. I would be near indestructible, I would be near invincible and that alpaca heart will be ripped to shreds.


IT WOULD BE A BATTLE BETWEEN PESSIMISM AND OPTIMISM.
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THINK ARIZONA, THINK!!! HOW CAN YOU, A MUNDANE COW, SAVE THE ENTIRE WORLD, THE WORLD NEEDS A SUPERIOR CREATURE!
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>>36965277
>Who I would want to smash from most to least: A-
She's 1yo, you predo.
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>>36965981
Why is this fucking sexy to me? I mean I don't have a biner but I wish I fucking did.
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>>36966003
Not this shit, this is legal in the US because it is not only not human but not fucking real, just shut the fuck up. The same goes for human shit but I don't care about that shit and the government really doesn't either because that is too much to deal with.
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>>36966018
The cowernment is coming for your ass sonny. You better ready your hiney. Your butt is gonna be sore once Texas is done with it.
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>>36966039
I did this for years and I'm still waiting for nothing.
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>>36965277
what exactly is it about Arizona that makes your cows moo?
personality i can understand but her design not so much
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>>36966003
>Predo
Is that what we should name the protag in Banned from Foenum? Cause It's a good.
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>>36965981
I don't get it but it looks like a nice rendition.
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>>36965981
I like it. Would've been better if Fred was extending an arm complete the gesture.
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shanty's accent makes me hard
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>>36966510
Just an educated guess but it sounds like you have a thing for exotic girls.
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>>36966913
Is this a suggestive image of Shanty? If so, how rare.
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>>36967086
>>36967089
did you seriously just delete your post because you forgot the cow flag
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>>36967097
I can't help it, it is in my programming.
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>>36967097
Cow is very important donchaknow
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>>36967600
very epic facial structure
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>>36967600
Was the first one the wrong color balance or something?
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>>36967612
that and a few other tweaks nobody but me would notice or care about.
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>>36967650
Tyson Tan aka artist for that second Freedom Planet game that's been in development hell for six years.

Not bad tho.
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>>36967650
is a cute pom
wonder if they've done any others or if it's just her
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>>36967670
He's not gonna. He did Pom because he liked her looong laaaaaaaigs~
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>>36967679
well, I can appreciate that a guy knows what he likes.
Also, looking at their comments, it seems like he considered AZ but couldn't figure how to make her look good while still retaining her squareness.
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>>36967679
looong laaaaaaaigs~
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>>36967650
You forgot that anthro isn't allowed here.
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>>36966913
maybe
it doesnt help that they usually have really good personalities too
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>>36967600
The cow is stylin' on me and I don't like it.
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>>36967661
It's still not out? I assumed it just flew under my radar.
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>>36968066
Now THAT's messed up.
>Can't post tfh anywhere else
>Other forms of characters also get oppressed by the only place they can be posted
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>>36969092
WHAT?!
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>>36969242
That place is very difficult to get to. Even harder is the secret past it. And it's so easy to press a wrong direction and end up in the "lost woods".
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>>36969316
I've had harder experiences.
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>>36969092
haha it became so heavy she fell over
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>>36969256
I may have a solution to our dilemma but it would require quite the means.
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When is chapter 2 dropping bois
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>>36969428
The devs won't say shit, we don't even know if "the key" is a character, multiple characters or an item.
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>>36969414
Well? Enlighten us, oh great one.
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>>36969439
Waiting this long has gotten me buggin out
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Put shovel knight in the game
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>>36969454
I don't know if I can talk about that type of stuff but it requires numbers.
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>>36969503
I don't want to join one
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>>36969510
I wouldn't do it either and I am not even sure it would work.
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>>36969439
The key is the friends you made along the way
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>>36969529
Everyone I added from this game doesn't talk to me anymore and all have meme names of porn websites.
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>>36969108
TLDR: Bad management

>Main Dev trooned out.
>Never expanded his team so it's just him doing everything (other than some artists giving free labor on twitter).
>Wasted money on an announcement trailer
>No ETA, game still in Alpha
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>>36969256
You have /trash/ I guess, better than nothing.
>>36969503
No fucking idea what you're talking about and I'm really curious now
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>>36969256
There's nothing wrong with restricting furries.
And no one says you can't just link the source to get around the furry ban.
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>>36969628
whom the fuck decided that both video game and regular furry would be banned here instead of just furry?
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>>36969619
I think either a discord server or our own board, mlpol did it, we could too if we had enough people
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>>36969665
>we could too if we had enough people
>a niche fightan game
>our own board
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>>36969653
You're on a board full of furries in denial what else did you expect?
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Hey MANE6
Where's my fucking Velvet figure
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>>36969665
>Our own board
It takes half a month to hit the bump limit on a 500 post thread, unless you think porn and anthro would multiply our population in which case I would probably stop browsing because I'm not interested in that at all.
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>>36969665
im laffin
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>>36969699
It took 3 months to get my Arizona shirt. Also what is the sauce?
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>>36969717
We need a TFH board, I'm tired of scrolling through what you guys call cornbread.
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Boris streaming right now.
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>>36969618
Jannies really are autistic. Wasn't even a furry post. Text version below:

Overall:
15 / 24 stages (63%)(does not include boss-only stages)
28 / 39 bosses (71%)
10 / 21 Battlesphere challenges (48%)
45 / 60 cutscenes (75%) (does not include variations for other characters)
71 / 76 songs (93%)

This year:
4 stages (17%)
5 bosses (13%)
1 Battlesphere challenge (5%)
11 cutscenes (18%)
4 songs (5%)

Game is vaporware. Will reach Duke Nukem Forever levels in a couple years.
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people want to fight on leaf?
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This
>>36967650
Was this btw
https://mobile.twitter.com/TysonTanX/status/1373297475579154433
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>>36969965
Just hop on leaf now. It's decently populated at the moment for >>36969842
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>>36969699
It's not for or about fucking
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>>36969927
Have some faith anon. Maybe they can pull an omori instead
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>>36969699
The wait is unbearable.
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Good time on leaf today.
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How does this make you feel tfhg?
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>>36971055
Why does she have such a big fuckin' mouth
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>>36971064
To let out the big yarrrs
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>>36971055
Makes me feel like watching my favorite Cutie Mark Crusaders episode of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
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>>36971188
Based.
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>>36971188
How rather based of you, old chap.
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how do I escape cow mix ups
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>>36971755
Shatter B.
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>>36971755
hold up back in the corner and then proceed to beat that ass
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>>36971755
Unplug the cow blender.
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>>36971755
Pushblock her out, unless she's taking advantage of that, then either upback or jab on a pressure reset.
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>>36960837
>>36966913
A part of me is kind of interested to see how the main characters will behave around a crush or love interest. Most would shoot ideas like that down but I think it can possibly work if it's written and developed well. Which is why don't trust Mane6 to do it. They already proved that by shoehorning in a ship between two characters who had zero chemistry.
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Oh!!, leaf, leaf! Where art thou leaf?
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>>36971836
Who are you talking about who has "zero chemistry"? You can't be talking about Cashleander because we haven't seen them directly talk to each other yet and thus don't know what their chemistry is like beyond surface level speculation.
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>>36971836
The only chemistry that matters to me is seeing the result of new mixups kiddo....
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This game needs a shoto
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>>36971838
Should be back now. The zero-players setup keeps crashing for some reason
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>>36971879
Oleander is the closest to a shoto we have and that's fucking great. If you want to play a basic bitch character then play the billion other fighting games that already have that.
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>>36971898
I'm coming to be the only person there.
>>36971907
I play the whole cast and sometimes I like to return to monkee. You wouldn't understand.
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>>36971859
That could be their saving throw, but everything about TFH seems to be story&gameplay first, at least so far it doesn't look like the storymode has "time" to take a break for some proper character development. But again, I could be wrong. Maybe those can be done in side quests.
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>>36971987
Everything involving it is optional right now: Cahmere's dialogue in pixel lobbies, that scene at the end of chapter 1 when you have the tinfoil hat, and the one promo image you have right there. There's not really any start to it in the main plot, so it would only make sense to continue being optional in the future potentially with side quest(s) and optional dialogue/scenes.
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I cannot make toots
I did not join the backers
I am very sad
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>>36972288
I wish I could retroactively become a backer, I still regret not doing so at the time to this day.
(At least I helped back the Velvet figurine, if that counts.)
If they ever do another kickstarter for something I would gladly donate a generous amount.
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>>36972441
I was early access and played the game when it was full of cardboard but I was not early enough.
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>>36971055
my penis should be in there
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>>36971055
Like I just got 3 bars of magic
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>>36972496
>human x shanty oral never ever
bros...
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>>36973247
is she walking towards me or not?
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>>36971879
Does it? I feel like it wouldn't add much, Oleander is there if you want your basic "spam fireballs to control space without being a full zoner" needs, even has a teleport like Akuma. I guess the only character with a standard invincible DP is Velvet but other characters still have reversal options
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>>36973264
I was joking, it actually need a grappler
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>>36951416
Just impulse bought this game to play with a friend, and bought the Shanty DLC. I have never played a fighting game before. How fucked am I?
the goat makes me feel weird things in my pp
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>>36973379
Learn how to do abc special. Learn what it means to do unsafe stuff so you don't do it.
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>>36973247
Please tell me she is angry, otherwise I'd rather attack myself for getting my hopes up.
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so see some places that 2.0 was a great update and from others that it had lots of problems
could any anons shed light on why people would think 2.0 was a bad or good update?
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>>36973473
This update gave me a new hat so I love it
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>3 new lewd pics of Arizona
>Paprika is in it
FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKK!!!!
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>>36973379
Play the tutorial. Do it. You'll be glad you did. Story mode also teaches you the bare basics.
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>>36973433
shes not just angry she has intent on ending your life as well
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>>36973610
Time to whip out my insane durability.
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>>36973473
2.0 was an update that most of the playerbase seems to consider a good update.
>more fun stuff
>>36973483 is how most people think. The new pixel lobby, new hats, new character, new stages are all super good for any casual fan. Replays are great and essential to a game like this. Shanty is a fun and unique addition to the roster and has been well recieved. From a competitive perspective, the IB flash being more obvious is great, especially with IB's increased relevance in the patch due to the buffer/chip.
>Character balance changes
While it may be that we're still in a honeymoon with 2.0, the game's roster feels more on an even playing field than they did in 1.0, with every character doing well in tournaments and formerly struggling characters now performing.
>Current preblock reduces effectiveness of chicken block
I personally don't think the new preblock is perfect, but it is better than it was in 1.0 and incentivizes a more grounded game. I haven't seen anyone really upset about this.
>IB defends against chipout
This is just good and I don't know why it wasn't always like this.

More controversial stuff:
>Input buffer on reversal normals
This makes a lot of pressure more challenging to execute since it's easier to mash out of. Leaving a 5 frame gap is now sketchier against someone trying to mash. Being slightly plus is not as big of an advantage if you aren't confident in your ability to hit solid timings because your opponent can just mash easily. Punishes are now much easier to hit, and unsafe moves are punished harder than they were. A lot of people like this change, claiming it raises the level of play and improves defender interaction while keeping the attacker's ability to frametrap with solid pressure. Critics say it's not good that such a massive change happened without large changes to frame data to back it up, for example, it used to be fairly challenging to punish cartwheel B when on top of a gift, but with the new input buffer, mashing your fastest B normal can just do it. The counter to this is that people were getting better and better at hitting these punishes anyways, and this change just increases the play level by accelerating something that was already happening.
>Damage and JD differences
Damage is much more frontloaded in 2.0, and high JD routes are noticably nerfed. This leads to more resets in combos, stronger stray hits, and less big combo damage cashouts. Many people like these changes since resets promote more interactions per match, and zoning is better (goes with the chip damage increase). Some people think the damage changes went too far and made characters have a more monolithic and less interesting playstyle.
>Arizona sux
The character I see that gets the most complainers about the patch is Ari because she lost a lot of damage while every other character on the roster got some new toy. She's still a solid character, but playing against an Ari with meter isn't as scary.
May have forgot something.
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>>36973610
I won't resist if she ends my life with f+a
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>>36973119
Those pajamas are damn cute and Velvet's is sexy





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