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A thread for all pony hypnosis stuff: images, stories, and the as of yet still non-forbidden art of self hypnosis.

Hypno resources
Vairaki filles: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/5tvvfv9dy1po9/Pony_files
Hypno friend files: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/el2fd52fqwn2x/Pony_Hypno

Previous thread >>36833477

Be warned, pet pony hypnosis listeners may experience the need to make healthier lifestyle choices in order to be a good pet for master!
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>>36916211
This is a sexual thing, right?
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>>36916211
>not having helping hands in the pic's original filename

Don't forget the dangers of suddenly waking up with ghostly pony ears or wings, oh-so-pleasurable to scritch and caress, and being saddened that they spent so long within you, unknown.
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First for the debatable merits of either several posts immediately after the OP with FAQs in or a static paste that can be posted in the OP in order to not have the first few posts be FAQ so people don't feel overwhelmed when they turn up.
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>>36916225
Eh, it CAN be a sexual thing, but being able to be a pony feels nice for so many different reasons that it being a sexual thing really takes a back seat after helping hands help you relax.
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>>36916225
There's like zero sexual pony hypnosis files, so we keep getting people complaining that it's their fetish but they can't find good content.
Otherwise it's mostly schizos who want to become the pony.
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>>36916228
Here's a general FAQ from the last thread, as an example and because it's an FAQ which we should probably have about now:

>how do I into self hypnosis
probably start with the conversational induction in the Vairaki files in the OP, get comfy, relax and give it a listen
>what if it doesn't work
just keep trying, it will work eventually, just takes time like building up a muscle; report results so you can get feedback from other anons so they might help you improve
>are these files dangerous?!?!?!
no unless you're already very susceptible to hypnosis and otherwise mentally unsound
>are there other hypno files out there?
yeah, apparently GearHeart's videos are voiced by a woman if you'd prefer that, feel free to report in with any more resouces you find to help other anons

>this is retarded I don't want this larp I want hypno stories and hypno images
ok then post them

That all being said, it was followed up with some self hypnosis FAQs, would it be worth packaging those up in pastes? Who knows? We do, hopefully, hence why I'm bringing it up.
I think it'd definitely be worth it shoving the giant "how to make a hypno file" thing I did last thread into a paste but maybe not for the OP. It just might be a nice guide that would be better kept external from the thread because it's a screen-filler of a text wall.
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Also a nice anon last thread posted some files that are worth checking out:

Roleplay induction:
https://mega.nz/file/7xcHnSBS#ru2GswXPbUgMCJJN0eFqiJdlQKdDSZNHDpFR8VyAS8E
Jade's Pet Pony Transformation Hypnosis:
https://mega.nz/file/bsczVSiL#5YVpZlRJI6RvqI1_-D6H-r7-BxQ2H4RtaXxrzm7WG2E
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>>36916262
>I think it'd definitely be worth it shoving the giant "how to make a hypno file" thing I did last thread into a paste
Agreed
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>>36916268
Somehow I missed these, neat.
And oh man I know beggars can't be choosers but
>roleplay guy sounds like I'm being hypnotised by Svengallop
>Jade guy is recording from a public stall
Man, I've been taking Vairaki's soft voice for granted. I need to get used to more voices to be less picky.
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>>36916298
Trust me I felt exactly the same way as soon as I listened to the spa files the first time, bless Vairaki and his inoffensive, well-measured voice. I feel like most people could do a good job if they just took notes from Vairaki and read the scripts for these files themselves.
Still, all content is good content when we're not getting any more of it any time soon.
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>>36916310
>next project: generate transcripts, correct them manually, and re-record all the important files
Hm, since the thread is all euros, there wouldn't happen to be a native bong that can give us Queen's English readings, would there? Best I can offer myself is a noticeable slav accent
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>>36916372
>there wouldn't happen to be a native bong that can give us Queen's English readings, would there?
I could but either my voice is recognizable enough as it is or if it ever does in the future I wouldn't want it to be tied too directly to pony hypno just because it'd be kind of awkward.
Then again, I guess that might be why people are so reluctant to offer their voices for this in general, I could be doing people a favour by doing this. Ah geez, tough choice.
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>>36916387
Ah, don't sweat it. I feel like for most people this wouldn't be a concern: my voice only exists online as part of a couple of /mlp/ dubs and that's about it. Unless they were worried about their family/friends/coworkers stumbling upon pony hypno somehow, and even so, personally, I don't feel like my voice is nearly unique enough to be instantly recognisable (unless maybe they went in already knowing I did hypno and specifically looking for my files).
So if you've already got your voice out there doing stuff and you don't want it linked, no worries, I'm sure there are other anons who could pick it up. (And I definitely intend to at least give it a shot, to see how my accent is perceived.)
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consider the following: hypnosis panel for /mlp/con
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>>36916372
Will have a go after work but no promises.
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>>36916463
Just considered it and, uh, not sure about that. I'm not even sure what a panel would entail but what, do we talk to all of /mlp/ about hypno? Seems weird, isn't that what this is all about already?
>>36916922
Bless you anon and bless anyone that gives it a shot.

Also for anyone concerned here's the paste of the big writeup I did last thread on what I deem to be a good approach to making your own hypno files, largely concerns the script of the hypno and the delivery than what audio software to use or whatever but I figure it might be useful at some point to someone: https://ponepaste.org/4761
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>>36917241
>I'm not even sure what a panel would entail but what, do we talk to all of /mlp/ about hypno?
i was thinking back to the tulpa panel, they literally had like a 15 minute pre-recorded video and then just did a Q&A session talking about their tulpas. i'm sure there's at least 15-30 minutes to talk about to explain the concept and just like what hypno even is. you know "it's not brainwashing or magic" etc., the psychological basis for it, stuff
>seems weird
of course, but autism has to be embraced

one thing that does make me very unsure is the fact that nobody is really very experienced. tulpa panel was hosted by a guy with like 2-3 years of successful tulpa and helped by another with 7
so i'm not saying do it
just bringing up the idea
maybe by next year the thread will have enough breakthroughs that there will be anons with proper authority to speak in 2022 /mlp/con, thatd be nice
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Just before last thread died someone posted a link to a pet green in another thread which also seems to have died, I shan't let it be forgotten >>36906237
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>>36916463
>/mlp/con hypno panel
>hypnobros try and do a demonstration of how to get audio hypnosis to work
>inadvertently end up setting off all their subconscious triggers
>several lose ability to coordinate selves due to overbearing invisible petting
>one loses the ability to push to talk because hooflock kicks in
>one anon must excuse themselves early due to inexplicable fresh fruit craving
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>>36917355
Fucking hell, that's the hardest I've ever been hit by a 2000 character post. Why couldn't you have let it be forgotten
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>>36918032
Admittedly I skimmed over it and was like "huh neat pet story" and reposted it here hoping to cheer up that anon among others.
Now I read it properly and, uh, yeah good point. I guess even in the wildest pet pony dream worlds horrible things can happen, but as deaths go it's nice to see 'ol grim has petpone's backs when it comes to being ferried off into the afterlife.
On some level it's validating to see a petpony in miserable spot doing its best, staying strong for master even though circumstances imply master will never come back, and eventually after an arduous time getting to be with master again.
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>>36918104
>spoiler
It's definitely very bittersweet. I think that just makes it more impactful, as opposed to if it had just been straight grimpderp.
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>>36917355
>which also seems to have died
>links to paste in which the pet pon is also abandoned and dies
I am a bad person, I read it and my thought was "why is the pon using the fridge when it's winter outside?
>>36918104
Honestly it's less of a "wildest pet pony dream world" and more of "typical USA nigger state" in it.
>>36917659
>not using voice activated/pre-building a keyboard with hoof-sized buttons
>not stockpiling a giant pile of fruit right next to you
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>>36916922
https://voca.ro/1nJDx353Ba5y

>Can talk to complete strangers in person no problem.
>Speaking a couple sentences to some other autists required a hot minute of psyching up and then another mini-debate on hitting submit.
Not sure i could do a full hypno file any time soon even if my voice was fine for it, maybe if i got enough alcohol first.
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>>36918208
Sounds like you need hypno to do hypno, anon.
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>>36918225
That'd certainly be one way to do it, there's probably a bajillion 'boost confidence' or "Remove social anxiety" type hypnosis files out there, it's just a matter of finding one that actually works.
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>>36918208
Wow, that's a great voice. Nice, soft, normal and unassuming with no weird features to jar me out of a trance.
I'm not at all an expert at placing accents, but whichever one yours is is again unassuming enough to sound perfectly natural, to my ears at least. And ultimately it doesn't matter if your accent is from York or Leicester or Bath, what matters for a trance is to not have features that stick out or are annoying, like an identifiable foreign accent or a particularly unusual regional variation like southern US or welsh or something - which you don't have at all.
In other words, pretty much perfect.
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>>36918317
I was thinking more "Master wants you to do this, because cute pet ponies are obedient, and you are a cute pet pony".
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>>36918321
Huh. Maybe i'll give reading a script a try then, not sure when i'll find the time though, let alone the right script since i sure cant write worth a damn, so dont hold your breath for it.

>>36918323
>Being hypnotised into a pet that helps other pets by hypnotising them.
That might actually work, and would be more effective if i got more of a full body hypno down so i guess that's my next goal.
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Alright, I did a voice test too since there's peace and quiet around here right now so might as well.
Just talking naturally: https://u.smutty.horse/maugncfethb.ogg
Being autistic (I don't think it worked): https://u.smutty.horse/maugmzkfjlb.ogg

If I found a file voiced like this I'd certainly bitch and moan about it, but it's always hard to judge your own voice so I thought I'd throw it up in the thread anyway.

>>36918378
>let alone the right script since i sure cant write worth a damn
Well, one idea was to re-record some of the good files that are voiced in very annoying ways.
But if we're ready to actually record stuff that might feel like something of a waste (of effort and good voice ability). Writing scripts might well be the next step for us. I might try to allocate some time in the foreseeable future to autistically study a variety of the existing files and see what can be learned from them.
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>>36916268
That first one is a whole file, not an induction
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>>36918378
Do it anon, become an adorable pony with helping hooves helping others pony pony.
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>>36918483
>actual voiced files
Oh hell yes, this is gonna be great. I'll listen to these in a second but these tentative first steps towards content creation give me hope.
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>>36916211
>one hand is copping a feel on the floof
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I woke up and this idea came to me vividly and I couldn't help myself
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>>36920011
Very nice, but
>capitalise your shit
>Zeyphyr
Also I wonder if there's a suitable pony image to replace the dolphin with
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>>36920197
Oh goodness, yeah I made it just as I woke up and it really shows.
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>>36920259
I completely forgot about the schizo mare, that's perfect
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>>36920379
So did I until I saw her in the catalog and then I was like "yes, perfect" har har.
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Just gave the voice samples a quick listen and
>>36918208
Nice, reminds me of Vairaki funny enough.
>Not sure what accent I have
West Yorkshire I think, couldn't say for sure though. Very comfy. That being said you do need to de-noise your recordings but that's easy, Audacity is free and has an easy de-noising tool that clears it right up.
https://vocaroo.com/18vMI6jOo5Y9
Also you got me.
>>36918483
Absolutely fine too, you do have an accent but I don't think anyone's especially complaining. If anything there might be some people who like that kind of accent, though I'll be the one to say the autistic version of your voice recording did kind of make it sound more native speaker English I don't think you should force yourself to do it if it sounds weird to you and detracts from a natural delivery.
>Writing scripts might well be the next step for us
You know, I didn't expect we'd get to this point so soon but I can't imagine why not. I know I did the whole writeup thing for the person who came asking about it last thread but for some reason when I think of hypno audio files I feel like there's some intangible element that I've yet to nail down about them. But likely anybody can write a hypno file and that "intangible element" is more just the mystique of the fact hypno works at all, especially that it works on me.
Who's to say anyone here couldn't be putting out scripts and audio files of comparable quality to the stuff we're cherishing here in the big mediafile folders? Sure the fact it needs to be in audio format either through a reading or through 15.ai adds another layer of complexity but otherwise it's about as difficult as writing a greentext, or so it seems to me now.
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>>36920605
>Absolutely fine too
Huh, neat.
>I'll be the one to say the autistic version of your voice recording did kind of make it sound more native speaker English I don't think you should force yourself to do it if it sounds weird to you and detracts from a natural delivery
And I'm glad to hear that wasn't in vain either. I'll definitely still experiment, honestly just improving my natural accent wouldn't exactly be a bad thing either. (inb4 I finally learn proper native pronunciation in order to voice hypno files of all things.)

>when I think of hypno audio files I feel like there's some intangible element that I've yet to nail down about them
I definitely agree there, there's this feeling like they're some kind of carefully crafted artifacts made by masters of yore. The fact that the pony hypno community shattered so completely and dissolved into myth and legend, and we're left uncovering long-forgotten artifacts and chasing after abandoned pastebins, megas and torrents, doesn't help this feeling.
But from what I've been able to glean, back in the day this is exactly how most voice files were made. Spread across the IRC and threads on here, people did just come up with scripts and ask "voicefags" to do readings for them, before mastering and putting it out. If there's any major difference, I think it's in the size and collective experience of the community, but I think that's something that we can very plausibly recover with time (perhaps not the size, but even then, who knows?).

Yet a part of me is still almost afraid of shattering that illusion of ancient mystique.
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>>36920709
>The fact that the pony hypno community shattered so completely and dissolved into myth and legend, and we're left uncovering long-forgotten artifacts and chasing after abandoned pastebins, megas and torrents, doesn't help this feeling.
Imagine a pony exploring an ancient temple, seeking the long-lost legendary lartifact, the hypnogear.
>Yet a part of me is still almost afraid of shattering that illusion of ancient mystique.
The ancient is to be the foundation of the present, anon.
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>>36920715
>Imagine a pony exploring an ancient temple, seeking the long-lost legendary lartifact, the hypnogear.
You know I almost thought to write something like that in my post. It's a good way to put it, and in turn feeds into my point: if, upon discovering it, the pony adventurer brings it back and quickly figures out how to build new ones, it's not so legendary anymore now, is it?
>The ancient is to be the foundation of the present, anon.
That's a great point, though.
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>>36920734
Maybe building new ones is expensive, maybe we have the technology to make way better alternatives (e.g. compare Antikythera mechanism to any modern tech), maybe it keeps to high fantasy where skill and research and time is needed to replicate it (which is the case with hypno).
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>>36920709
>Yet a part of me is still almost afraid of shattering that illusion of ancient mystique.
Yeah, I feel that.
>>36921357
With the fact that we're 13 people in a 4chan thread in mind and that they're still probably bigger on their own in mind:
>Rome coming across Greece long after its era of influence
Har har. But yeah any one of us could just go over and pop into whatever discord they're operating out of or whatever but I personally just kind of don't want to.
That and I think these anons were getting at the fact that the scarcity of the hypno files made them seem like there's something special about them that can't be replicated and hence why they're scarce in the first place. Obviously it could be argued that's still somewhat true as the effort to create them and the fact they're such effective hypno files makes them special, but hypno just feels to me like the kind of thing that'd take magic to pull off.
The notion that someone could just whip up a hypno script and record it seems contrary to the fact that I'd expect there to be some kind of special technique, some secret audio frequency or have special training to make hypno work but nope. One could argue the "magic" was inside of us, the hypnotees, the whole time and they'd probably be right but otherwise there's no such scarce magic at all, just a bit of time and effort.
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>>36921357
>deleted
huh
Anyway I'm aware of a couple of discords (well, one), but is it really the same community? After so many changes and upheavals and deletions and whatnot, it's hard to imagine much of anything could have remained.
Especially given how pretty much all publicly available hypno files date from "the ancient era" so to speak. Either the remaining vestiges are a super sekret club and keep really tight under wraps, or they just aren't really producing stuff anymore.

I do plan to go through the hoops of making a discord account to snoop around a bit sometime, see if maybe they do have anything interesting. But I'm not expecting too much, and I haven't bothered yet.
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>>36921489
Maybe with regard to the deleted post they were just concerned that drawing attention to stuff outside the thread would diminish the thread.
That's kind of a sentiment I feel, I don't have any interest in any discord for our stuff and if the topic ever gets brought up and if anyone ever suggests it I'd rather people start namefagging in the thread than go to something detatched from 4chan: it reduces the number of people who come by and turns us into the kind of insular cadre that we all come to 4chan to avoid. If people want to hook up on discord 1 on 1 that's fine I guess but taking what's good about this thread and shoving it in a discord would be a dick move I think.
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>>36921937
Oh absolutely. What I said I'm intending to do is check to see if there's any content worth bringing back to the thread; I'm almost certainly never going to "join" any discord, for this or anything else, that's for sure.
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>>36922073
Ah yeah, no worries if you're just scouting out stuff, heck I won't hold it against you if you go and join of your own accord as long as whatever it is doesn't eventually result in you or anyone ditching the thread for some clique.
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Pre bedtime bump, looking forward to more audio/script experiments!
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What about using the A.I. voices for reading out scripts?
I wouldnt know where to begin with it but they're getting more sophisticated by the day.
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>>36923420
Definitely an option, especially for people that would prefer a female hypnotist or who would be more comfortable with a character from the show doing it.
Obviously it's not perfect but it's pretty good, just a matter of people actually doing a test run of Twilight reading helping hands or whatever.
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P9 bump
good morning eurobongs!
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>>36924411
GOOOOOOOD MORNING PONYVILLE
/r/ babylon entrance by Serious Sam redrawn like it's Ponyville

also, bump before leaving
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In the absence of topics to discuss or the fact everyone is yet to get home from work, I pose a question or two:
Within the realm of possibility, what would be your dream hypno session? Are you just looking to reach the point where you can experience life as a pony without distraction or interruption, or maybe you'd want to condition yourself to have a certain mindset?
Maybe you're hoping one day you can immerse so completely in hypnosis that suggestions never wear off, or an experience so vivid that you completely immerse yourself in it without a hint of doubt?
Or is hypnosis, even at its best, a compromise for another fantasy that is simply too far-fetched to be considered "possible"?
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>>36925184
Interesting questions. I think "reach the point where you can experience life as a pony without distraction or interruption" would be a big one, which also kind of blends with "immersing so completely in hypnosis that the suggestions never wear off" and of course being vivid enough to actually let me experience it.
Would it be a compromise? Well, my ultimate fantasy is to be a pony. (Ideally pet, but honestly I'd also settle for just living a simple life in an Equestria village.) Hypnosis can at best give an approximation of the experiences, but if I were to get to the point of perfect suggestion where I can fully experience myself as a pony permanently, does the difference between perception and reality really matter that much? I suppose actually being a pet pon (physically) or going to Equestria are the bit that are beyond the reach of hypnosis.

>maybe you'd want to condition yourself to have a certain mindset
This is an interesting one, because on one hand this would seem to fit in naturally with the whole pet thing, but honestly I don't think this is particularly interesting. I already want to be the pet. If given perfect circumstances (e.g. zephyred to a loving Master), it's not like I would need conditioning to embrance my new life. If anything, being hypnotised into that might even cheapen that a little bit - think of it like a challenge, or a show of loyalty, to be the perfect pet without the "help" of any suggestions or trances.
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>>36923420
I tried a couple lines on 15ai, but you can't modulate the voice (make it always slow, calm and relaxed). The character limit is also ridiculously low, even if it worked you'd have to stitch together hundreds of files on Audacity to make an entire file.
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>>36925516
> Hypnosis can at best give an approximation of the experiences, but if I were to get to the point of perfect suggestion where I can fully experience myself as a pony permanently, does the difference between perception and reality really matter that much?
Depends on how you look at it, it might really start mattering if the delusion of being in Equestria or living everyday life as a pony somehow impedes your ability to see some important element of reality that can only be observed through a lens that doesn't obscure it or make it idyllic and pony-ish. Like if you can live as a pony that's great but if you have some Equestria-vision filter on over everything how are you going to handle things such as animal meat in food? If you're already basically a pony stuck in a human body on some level wouldn't it be kind of messed up if you just mentally replaced all instances of meat with "hay" and end up eating animals you might otherwise experience delusions of being friends with like cows and sheep?
I guess it really depends on what delusions you wish to fully embrace and which ones you only indulge in every so often.
> it's not like I would need conditioning to embrance my new life. If anything, being hypnotised into that might even cheapen that a little bit - think of it like a challenge, or a show of loyalty, to be the perfect pet without the "help" of any suggestions or trances.
That's fair, granted I guess you could say we've already been conditioned by way of exposing ourselves to pet pony media of all kinds. Still, if I might make a case for it, I can absolutely find comfort in the idea of instinctual petdom being conditioned in. While just how good of a pet one is will be down to the individual it would be reassuring to have it bubble up as naturally as any other emotion or feeling like happiness or hunger. It stops being a matter of "wanting" to be the pet at that point because it's just fundamentally part of who you are more comparable to a need than a want. It's a bit of an intimidating loss of agency, for sure, but to actually take that conditioning would be sacrificing that self-control to ensure one is the perfect pet.
That all being said, to anyone that does find the notion of inflicting uncontrollable, instinctual pet conditioning upon themselves Zephyr style I'd say just don't unless you somehow become a real life pet pony. Outside of the realm of fantasy it just seems like a great way to make the experience of not being a pet more painful with pretty much no payoff. Daren't I say you'd just give yourself some crushing, clinical dysphoria as you live day to day coping with the fact you aren't a pet pony and you don't have a master until you can't cope and you do something really embarrassing at best and genuinely tragic at worst. Hell, even in the story it's a traumatic experience to go through that mental adjustment and those ponies actually have a master who comes in and pets them and makes them feel better there and then.
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>>36926080
At least being able to GIVE yourself pet-dysphoria via hypnosis also means being able to DEAL WITH pet-dysphoria via it, whether by having scenes of pet-dom, or by actually reversing the conditioning.
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>>36926080
>delusions
I think living with a heavy Equestria-filter would be very hard to make work; I'm imagining just a full pony self-image, but still living in Earth and perceiving it as such. It might be possible to hypnotise yourself to live in Equestria, but probably only with a "handler" to act as an intermediary between your fantastical delusions and real life, and that sounds like a whole basket of trouble which just isn't worth it: the risk of the illusion shattering with devastating consequences if something goes wrong is just too great.
In terms of living as a pony - well, this is a fantasy wishlist for the perfect hypnosis, so if it's perfect it should be able to reconciliate daily life with a pony body. You can hold stuff with your hoof-grip, type with cartoon physics (or feathers or magic if either are available), you never think about how you walk yet it's natural to you anyway, etc.
One could also imagine being able to trigger and detrigger effortlessly, for those situations where you really can't be a pony. Detrigger, do whatever as a proper human, trigger back and never even think back about the inelegance of being a human.
Also, in theory it's possible to have a healthy vegetarian or even vegan diet, though it takes more effort to make sure it's got all nutrients. It's not like humans are obligate carnivores.

>That's fair, granted I guess you could say we've already been conditioned by way of exposing ourselves to pet pony media of all kinds.
True, but there's still a difference between slowly forming an opinion or desire, and intentionally going into trance and opening yourself up as wide as possible to direct suggestions.
>Still, if I might make a case for it,
You do make an excellent case, honestly. If I had a counterpoint, I think that while I absolutely agree with your descriptions of it bubbling up naturally, no longer being a matter of "wanting" and rather being just a fundamental part of who you are - I think it'd be more rewarding and more genuine to reach that same point without specific conditioning. And I believe that's very much possible: if you want it enough, the same end result should be achievable without the need for hypnotic suggestions.
Since you mention Zephyr, worth pointing out that by the end of the story Zephyr herself is very much in that state of fundamental and complete petdom and submission, without any hypnosis whatsoever. Of course it's just a story, but that's my ideal. (If you couldn't tell, my fantasies are heavily inspired by Zephyr.)

I suppose the counterpoint to my entire point would be that hypnosis is voluntary anyway, and regardless of doing it "au naturel" or using hypnosis, it's still a voluntary act. At this point I'm not really entirely sure myself which I'd prefer.
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>>36926408

>I'd say just don't unless you somehow become a real life pet pony.
This is definitely wise.
>you live day to day coping with the fact you aren't a pet pony and you don't have a master until you can't cope and you do something really embarrassing at best and genuinely tragic at worst
This is definitely a danger. Already, without hypnosis, it's possible to come pretty close to that state. These days it's not something that tears me apart every single day or whatever, in general I'd normally say I'm quite happy with my life, but whenever I'm reminded of this there's definitely an ache that won't be soothed, and something I've had to learn to cope with.
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>>36926408
>Also, in theory it's possible to have a healthy vegetarian or even vegan diet, though it takes more effort to make sure it's got all nutrients.
Keyword in theory. Humans are, in fact, pretty close to obligate carnivores - you don't need any shenanigans with your diet if you eat whole animal, not just the choice cuts.
However, absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating eggs and milk (which ponies do in canon, or there's no reason to keep chickens and cows) or cheese, if you're of the unlucky part of humanity that doesn't have lactase persistence, which provide the nutrients missing from plants.
>I think it'd be more rewarding and more genuine to reach that same point without specific conditioning. And I believe that's very much possible: if you want it enough, the same end result should be achievable without the need for hypnotic suggestions.
Achievable, yes. But it's like walking across a continent instead of taking a car - you could, but why?
>Since you mention Zephyr, worth pointing out that by the end of the story Zephyr herself is very much in that state of fundamental and complete petdom and submission, without any hypnosis whatsoever.
Nanomachines, son. It's unknown how much of that is Zeph's own doing, and how much it's the same mental interference that rendered her unable to remember his human name.
>>36926415
>but whenever I'm reminded of this there's definitely an ache that won't be soothed, and something I've had to learn to cope with.
Scritch your cute fluffy pony ears, anon.
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>>36926496
>Achievable, yes. But it's like walking across a continent instead of taking a car - you could, but why?
Feels more authentic. I don't think it would be THAT difficult, at least not for me. And the benefit is being able to say that I, of my own completely free will, with no influencing or suggestions, trancing or hypnosis or mind control or anything else, completely voluntarily, completely conscious and aware, gave myself over fundamentally and completely to my Master.
But then like I said I also thought of the fact that hypno is ultimately voluntary too, which does undermine my point, which is why I'm not entirely sure anymore. I'd still probably pick the natural path, but it definitely wouldn't be a dealbreaker either way. Just to clarify that it's not like I'm afraid of being influenced like that, or that I'd think it was fake or inauthentic.

Also on this topic, if my Master wanted me to do whatever hypnosis, I'd have no reservations whatsoever. (Assuming it wasn't something egregious, but that comes with the assumption of having a caring Master I can trust.) Once I give myself over to my Master, my mind would be no more off-limits than anything else, really.

By the way, given your choice of metaphor, I wanna point out that walking across a continent to meet someone would be a pretty huge show of loyalty, as opposed to hopping into a car or train for a quick casual visit. Now if you actually tried walking towards someone for no reason it'd just be stupid rather than romantic, but I think that's a flaw of the metaphor, and I don't think a Master would consider it stupid if I wanted to devote myself without the help of hypnotic suggestions.

>Nanomachines, son.
Ain't that just the panacea for all woes.
But yeah, good point. The conditioning didn't quite work, but it certainly worked enough to at least erase her previous name, so it might have facilitated the process.
But conversely, the guy used to be a normie (relatively speaking), whereas we're here trying to give ourselves pet hallucinations with no master in sight. That should count for a headstart, I'd imagine.

>Scritch your cute fluffy pony ears, anon.
I try but they're still not properly there.
But I did try to scritch them anyway and it did make me feel better.
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>>36926272
>also means being able to DEAL WITH pet-dysphoria via it, whether by having scenes of pet-dom
Well I guess there's that, I'm sure it could technically be done even if it would take a lot of practice with visualization and basically tulpa-level personhood simulation. Not to mention imagining the sensation of pets and hugs and everything on the fly.
>or by actually reversing the conditioning.
I don't know how to adaquately articulate my distaste for this statement but it hurt me on some level to think someone would use hypnosis to "de-program" their love for good and nice masters.
Even though it's by way of the same methods it just implies someone has reached the point at which they understand what it means to be a petpony and then despite having that love for master then somehow having it destroyed in themselves.
The more I think about this the worse it gets, at first I was angry at the idea that someone would do this, then I was sad because they clearly need help if they feel that way and now I'm scared to think that some kind of anti-conditioning could happen to me! I would very much not like that! The thought that anything could take away a love of master is very bad and that's why conditioning to be a pet would be good because then you would never have to worry about it being taken away from you by anything.
I don't want anyone to forget how lucky we are to have this. I wanted this post to be more light-hearted but this is just a lot
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I really underestimated what this stuff could do. I haven't fucked myself or anything, but after nearly a month of going at this pretty hard the effects have actually surprised me. I thought it would be extremely hard to notice anything, but I actually felt pony parts more clearly than I thought I could. The phantom sensations aren't much next to the actual experience of trance, I didn't know you could feel that blank, that's the most impressive part. I can only imagine what the veteran schizos who have been doing this for years experience.
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>>36928295
More or less the same sentiment here, granted I kind of wish I was more surprised by the feeling of pony parts than I am just disappointed when I don't have them anymore because the hypno wears off.
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>come back because want more files after getting tired of current rotation
>thread has my art as the op image
in my final moments as the cardiac arrest took my soul i thought to myself, "damn. massive win tonight" and then died

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>>36928442
Ya done good anon, your art illustrates perfectly what hypno thread is all about so it deserves nothing less.
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>>36928026
If their love for Master is damaging their ability to function without one (and ability to FIND one), they'll need to get a handle on it. Especially since the chances of ending up like picrelated are way too high otherwise.
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>>36928927
Yes but not by outright ridding themselves of it in any way surely. Like I get trying to make sure you don't do anything desperate or regrettable because of it but the idea of "undoing" anything like that just feels supremely uncomfortable to me right now. Like I don't know, get a stress ball or something. Like I'm at least on some level aware of what I'm writing as I write this and I guess I'm just in the autistic larp deep end right now but thinking about not loving master is bad, it's a bad thing to think and I feel bad just thinking about it.
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>>36928927
This is why "real life is ugly and messy".
I definitely agree with the other anon that "reverse conditioning" just isn't right. But this is why several times in the past threads the point has come up that pet hypno is not the kind of thing that's safe to do for people going through rought times or who know they have potentially unstable mentalities. It has to be stressed again and again that, while we wouldn't have it any other way, it does come at a cost that must be borne, and if someone wants to dip in they have to be prepared for it and confident that they can bear it.

But I suppose retards exist and people don't make smart decisions, just like that guy who allegedly killed himself due to exactly this. It would be an extreme case, but at that point the situation is ugly enough that deconditioning would probably be the least worst option. Master certainly wouldn't want any pets to kill themselves or end up in asylums. And if someone is at that point, that means they weren't even ready to be the pet, and never should have tried to.

>>36928996
I think it helps to distance yourself from it and consider things in a detached manner. In particular, to remember that we're never gonna have to not love Master, because we've accepted the cost and have learned to bear it, and now nothing can take it away from us.
Others may not be so lucky. Very ugly things can and do happen in reality, crimes, terrible misfortunes, and so on. But we're fortunate enough to not have to suffer such things.
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>>36929106
Im trying to do whatever I usually do to stay detached but I don't understand why people would be like this about master. I feel very cold and bad and alone all of a sudden. I'm going to try hypno maybe to see if that works but this is just very very bad.
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>>36929142
There are people who do really bad things, there are people who feel in really bad ways, and there are people who are really stupid. Often it can be impossible to understand why some people do some really awful things, or why they think in certain ways. But generally you don't need to worry much about people like that or what they think or why.
Your love for Master is obviously very strong. And I at least am right here with you on this, and probably most of the other anons itt too. You - we - can definitely find comfort in Master, anon. Relax with the help of some helping hands, and you don't need to worry or care.
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>>36928442
You know what this means, right? You gotta draw more for the future threads, too!
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Well suffice to say that was, without elaborating any further than I already apparently have here, a moment in my life.
I just kind of threw on all my comfortable clothes, curled up in bed, listened to helping hands, and eventually passed out to have some very interesting dreams. I awake now with a stiff neck, a small headache, and a clearer mind.
>>36929196
Thanks for the kind words anon, while I did read and benefit from them in the moment I wasn't in a position to make an adequate reply at the time. I'm just kind of looking around the previous posts as opposed to directly at them but I really have to wonder how I reached this point, on 4chan of all places no less. While I still think I stand by what I said at the time, I guess I kind of have some irrefutable evidence that sometimes these things can impede upon life on the regular and I'm not sure how that might have gone down if crawling into bed wasn't an option.
I'm not so sure if a stress ball is an answer to this issue if that is the issue in question, maybe a hot water bottle? Or this thing except for not a joke?
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>>36929601
Very glad to hear you're doing better.
As for how to deal with this: I want to say that this gets better with time, but then everyone is different. For me, I kind of built up a "normie" persona that lets me go around in society doing all kinds of un-pet-like stuff and function in daily life normally, not reacting even when someone mentions ponies or pets or submission or anything at all really regardless of the context. When I read those posts above I didn't even think anything at all of them until I read your perspective and realised what they were really implying.
So, hopefully this is something you'll get better at with time. And it might sound painfully cynical or even downright awful that you'd have to supress yourself like that, but the truth is being a pet and being an independent member of society are two roles which are very hard to reconcile, perhaps it is even impossible to truly do so: so, as long as giving up the latter isn't an option (which it really isn't for the foreseeable future), we HAVE to find a way to do both.
It's not pleasant, but this is what I mean by the cost to bear. And this is why I said even in the very first thread that you should be careful. I'm not afraid of losing myself in the fantasy now, but I'm not sure how I would've handled it back when I first opened myself to it if I had simultaneously made hypno breakthroughs. This is quite the double-whammy to handle.

So I have to say, as a pet your current mindset is definitely something to be very proud of. But reconciliating this with being fully functional in a Master-less life in an uncaring world is an important challenge that you must overcome. The following may sound very harsh, but it really, absolutely must be said: there is no ideal Master; we are, currently and very possibly forever, alone in this; when times are rough, YOU will have to deal with them, because there's no Master to shield us. There is the ideal of a Master we have in our minds, and that can definitely bring comfort, but that is it.

It's painful. Trust me, I know. Sorry. But knowing that, really comprehending that, and learning to live with that - that is the cost of our fantasies; that is the cost of having in our minds the comforting hope and the yearning which we do. A cost that must be paid, unless you want to follow the footsteps of the guy who splitered the pony hypno community by an heroing. There is no alternative. (Not unless you are willing to give this up entirely, which I'm sure I don't even have to mention as an option, if you find it half as unthinkable as I do.)
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>>36929934
Well, that was a big rant I wrote and kind of strayed from the original topic. I think I might have written this half for myself as well.
Hopefully it's not completely off the mark for you, nor too harsh to read.

On a more practical note, I'm afraid I don't have any advice really other than my own method of building up a detached personality (though that does come with the notable downside of in turn finding it much easier to be less immersed even when I do want to be immersed - as unpleasant as must have been, I am still slightly envious of how deep and natural your reaction was, while it didn't even cross my mind until I stopped to think on it; I haven't felt anything quite as strongly as you described for years).
I personally wouldn't find any use from a stress ball or hot water bottle or anything - it's a hole, a yearning, that can't really be filled by any object, so I never really even considered that kind of stuff; but you find that it helps you (especially if maybe you can use it as an imposition aid - say, use a hot water bottle to make it easier to imagine warm cuddles?) then it would definitely be definitely a cheap and easy way to gain some measure of comfort.

>Or this thing
>"Never touch your pets again!"
Ouch
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>>36929965
Thanks for the serious consideration there anon, I'd say it's hard to be genuine about something so outlandish but apparently this is a personal issue for the both of us even if I only had my first real run-in with it today.
>And it might sound painfully cynical or even downright awful that you'd have to suppress yourself like that
It's certainly an emotion that I feel myself suppressing. Now I am handling it, it's like I can compartmentalize that feeling and put it to the side while I continue to operate in relative apathy of it.
It's a catch 22 though because as you say it's something to be proud of but absolutely distracting at this time, and not just that but it's saddening. The thing is that it also feels like the right reaction, and moreso than that the idea that I'd suppress such a feeling at all makes it worse because the very thought of suppressing it is abhorrent.
>The following may sound very harsh, but it really, absolutely must be said
I read over what you say, and I can recognize the objective, pragmatic truth in it. I also read this and I just cannot accept some elements of it, I guess this is what being in denial is like? I think it'll take something to jog the "really comprehending that" but on my end but you can take solace at least that your advice has been very much taken on board.
If anything it's commendable you can just kind of lay an issue so personal out on 4chan like that, I'll certainly try not to let your advice go to waste.
>Well, that was a big rant I wrote and kind of strayed from the original topic. I think I might have written this half for myself as well.
>Hopefully it's not completely off the mark for you, nor too harsh to read.
Well, anon misery loves company and I'm glad I'm not the only one that needs these pointers. It was kind of harsh to read but only as far as to many outside observers I would be "off the deep end" at this point.
I just wish that there was a healthy, if not just pleasant, outlet for these feelings I'm suddenly being overwhelmed by. I can absolutely see why you might envy them, it's just I wish that I was curled up somewhere else than under what must have been a solid 3 layers of makeshift safety blanket. Hot water bottle definitely on the list of serious consideration because along with the smorgasbord of other feelings I can only describe as "you know that first bit in Zephyr's tale in the tiny concrete cell, that bit" there was just a coldness that came over me from within and it felt awful, even with said blankets I still felt a sort of internal chill.
That and I felt physically and mentally drained, still kind of do, relaxing with helping hands and sleep made me feel better but I needn't elaborate on exactly what I rather would have wished come of that situation.
Again, thanks, it'll all take a lot of thinking about.
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>>36930217
>It's a catch 22 though because as you say it's something to be proud of but absolutely distracting at this time, and not just that but it's saddening. The thing is that it also feels like the right reaction, and moreso than that the idea that I'd suppress such a feeling at all makes it worse because the very thought of suppressing it is abhorrent.
That's the whole paradox about this, isn't it?
I think I'm gonna echo your own earlier statements about this in the past threads, which is that we're lucky to have what little we do. Don't think of it as suppressing feelings because they're bad (this, at least for me, is the crux of why it would feel wrong - this feelings are natural and good, they aren't bad! says my mind), think of it as compartmentalising things - there are times when acting as a pet is not appropriate, when you MUST put on the mask or costume of a "normal independent human" and act accordingly. And then there are times where you can take it off and fully indulge in your feelings, and it's those moments make it all worth it - but in the world we live in, we can't afford to live like that permanently.
Maybe the mental imagery of putting on an extra barrier, an "interface" to interact with the world and to help filter out things that are hurtful to a pet, can help - as opposed to "suppressing" and reducing yourself, instead you add an extra layer to the outside, keeping your own pet self safe, mentally speaking. I don't know if this imagery makes any sense.
>I also read this and I just cannot accept some elements of it, I guess this is what being in denial is like?
Hopefully it will come with time. I'm glad to hear my posts are helping somewhat, at least.
>"off the deep end"
The entire premise of this thread is to give ourselves pony body part hallucinations, I consider this long past the point of "off the deep end".
But maybe the major difference is that someone truly unhinged is someone who has lost control of themselves. Avoiding that is exactly the point of learning to function in a Master-less world. I wouldn't consider it "going off the deep end" if you can manage to hold onto what you've gained but also continue living a normal life and interacting with the world.

>it's just I wish that I was curled up somewhere else than under what must have been a solid 3 layers of makeshift safety blanket
Ah, welcome to the ache that never goes away, the wish that will never be fulfilled.
I'll echo again your own earlier words that we're lucky to even experience that. The wish itself is something to be treasured; just don't let it consume you.

And I'll echo my warnings once again to be careful; be careful against losing yourself entirely over this. No master would ever want any pet to live in constant misery; be strong for Master!
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>>36930321
>which is that we're lucky to have what little we do.
Agreed, I guess in truth it's just that as emotions go it was pretty overwhelming, Were it milder I would have been able to internally reason and overcome the stress but it just kind of reached a breaking point because it welled up inside.
It was validating, cathartic even, but it was very, very sad and I don't think I especially want anything like that in my life even if you're right to go on and say that it just feels wrong for so many reasons to "suppress" them in any capacity.
I think if anything it's easier to distract myself from this when my mind is on doing normal person stuff, it's just I spend pretty much all days in lockdown so I have a lot of time to introspect as opposed to go out and talk or get the shopping or whatever so the thought lingers around in my head.
>I wouldn't consider it "going off the deep end" if you can manage to hold onto what you've gained but also continue living a normal life and interacting with the world.
That seems like a fair assessment, granted comparing where I was now to where I was a month ago would certainly bring up some key differences in just exactly what metaphorical end I was on and how deep it was.
Bleugh, it's all subjective, and I'd be half tempted to say that it's everyone else that just doesn't want to understand.
>I'll echo again your own earlier words that we're lucky to even experience that. The wish itself is something to be treasured; just don't let it consume you.
>And I'll echo my warnings once again to be careful; be careful against losing yourself entirely over this. No master would ever want any pet to live in constant misery; be strong for Master!
Being strong for master is probably the best I could come away with here. Like when I think about this from a detatched perspective this all seems like the strangest overlap between paternal issues and issues of faith that someone could have, fear of not having the approval of a guardian and fear that I'm not deserving of the love of some absentee party because of actions a likely couldn't be blamed for. Contrarily from a very attached perspective there is a petpone in my brain and talking about any master so impersonally along with a myriad of other uncomfortable notions brought up today just makes said pony experience such a crushing anxiety that it wants to go between screaming, curling up in a ball and sobbing and hijacking control from the rest of my emotions to make sure I stop engaging in such hurtful things and, likely, write out the kind of statements I'd usually reserve for spoilertext with determined sincerity as an act of penance.
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>>36930567
A true Master will love you unconditionally, no matter whether you deserve that love or not you do deserve it, by the way. Only a fake, an impostor would say he loves you and then not do it because of some frankly insignificant, in the long run, misdeed.

Have you considered buying a weighted blanket? I've heard they're very comforting.
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>>36930650
>A true Master will love you unconditionally, no matter whether you deserve that love or not
That's reassuring to know, it's obvious but I should try and remember that at least for "next time" should such a time occur again.
>Have you considered buying a weighted blanket? I've heard they're very comforting.
Starting today right now I apparently have, thanks for calling my attention to this. They seem surprisingly cheap for what they are and I'd rather have something like that next time a flash anxiety attack comes barreling around the corner of my life.
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>>36930650
Also, if anyone else is struggling with parental issues, that applies too - you deserve to be loved, and if you weren't/aren't unconditionally loved, your parents/caretakers were no real parents, not at all, and you REALLY should pick up a book like "Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents" and similar to, so to say, "set your emotional bones" broken by their incompetence properly.
>>36930760
That reminds me, the spoiler above is probably why I've preferred a thick, heavy blanket stuffed with cotton-wool in my childhood. I wonder if it can be repaired...
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I'm >>36918208, sadly haven't had time, energy nor privacy to try recording anything of note, will try to get something within the next week but no promises.

>>36925184
> what would be your dream hypno session?
Being the pony and feeling it 100% rather than the sort of ghost echos as of current.
Being able to chill and relax as poner would also be a nice fantasy although that's dipping into literal dreams, i can get a passable facsimile with booze but i'm ever aware of how easy it would be to overindulge in that.

>>36926415
> These days it's not something that tears me apart every single day or whatever, in general I'd normally say I'm quite happy with my life, but whenever I'm reminded of this there's definitely an ache that won't be soothed, and something I've had to learn to cope with.
I hear that, there's a mare-shaped hole in my soul and a me-as-pony hole right next to it, some days the edges are colder than others, some days they're smothered by a blanket, but the feeling never quite goes away entirely.

>>36926496
>However, absolutely nothing is stopping you from eating eggs and milk
Oats, scrambled egg, wild berries and a glass of milk, try it for breakfast one day.

>>36928026
> I would very much not like that!
Then it wont, simple as.
Fundamental rule of any sort of conditioning, you have to want it.

>>36928295
>I didn't know you could feel that blank, that's the most impressive part.
Being able to 'turn off' for a time is honestly the most appealing thing about this aside from the pony parts.

>>36928442
It's good art.

>>36928996
>>36929142
Bit late to the party but for an understanding as to the 'why' people would want to do it, some people simply cant handle the emotional pain and would rather get rid of it entirely, like chopping off a limb that's constantly hurting.
You often see this kind of thing with people who constantly strike out in relationships, but it applies to other things as well.

>>36929934
>As for how to deal with this: I want to say that this gets better with time, but then everyone is different.
I'm probably half way to schizophrenia with how i deal with it, separating my inner pony feelings and emotions from "outside perspective" thoughts.
>Pick that up with your mouth, it'd be cute.
>No, other people would think it's weird, dont, we'll play when we get home.
Also consider police dogs, they know when it's time to work and time to play.
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>>36930931
>Also consider police dogs, they know when it's time to work and time to play.
/r/ policepone comparison of being super srs on work and playful off work to distract my mind from certain thoughts
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>>36930931
>Oats, scrambled egg, wild berries and a glass of milk,
Wait, as in berries and oats in scrambled eggs? Or eggs with oats and a separate course of berries afterwards? Or eggs, then oats with berries? Or just three separate courses?
Either way I'm really hungry for some eggs and oats and berries now
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>>36930969
Cant art but have a silly pony.

>>36930992
Get a bowl of oats with berries and toss in some scrambled egg, have a glass of milk on the side.
Mixing the milk and scrambled egg directly doesnt work out well in my experience whilst the above is like weird quasi-oatmeal.
You could also just make oatmeal with the berries and have scrambled egg on the side, either way the combination of all those are more than enough protein so long as you eat it regularly, not even every day.
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>>36930931
>>36931031
>Oats, scrambled egg, wild berries and a glass of milk, try it for breakfast one day.
Reminds me of "breakfasts of the world" series of pictures.
Which I can't find now, oh well, another thing to remember later.
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>>36931031
>Get a bowl of oats with berries and toss in some scrambled egg
I seriously gotta try that
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>>36931031
I know this silly booped pony, she is indeed very silly and is for boop.
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>>36930931
>I'm probably half way to schizophrenia with how i deal with it, separating my inner pony feelings and emotions from "outside perspective" thoughts.
>>Pick that up with your mouth, it'd be cute.
>>No, other people would think it's weird, dont, we'll play when we get home.
I know you're memeing but it's worth pointing out that schizophrenia is above all psychosis, of which "voices" are just one small symptom. DID/MPD might be closer but those generally alternate, with memory loss whenever another personality takes over. I don't think there's really any mental illness that corresponds to "arguing with yourself from different perspectives".

Also I want that. If this thread is making me realise anything, it's that I really don't spend enough time imagining anything at all, and as a result don't even have a clear image of myself acting like a pony.
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>>36930882
Wrapping myself up in a blanket certainly made me feel a bit more comfortable, I guess kind of like helping hands it's not exactly a real hug but it's nice to have, and I can only imagine a weighted one would be even moreso.
>>36930931
>sadly haven't had time, energy nor privacy to try recording anything of note, will try to get something within the next week but no promises.
No problem anon, this isn't a job, you do what you need to do.
>Oats, scrambled egg, wild berries and a glass of milk, try it for breakfast one day.
Huh, sounds neat.
>Fundamental rule of any sort of conditioning, you have to want it.
>some people simply cant handle the emotional pain and would rather get rid of it entirely, like chopping off a limb that's constantly hurting. You often see this kind of thing with people who constantly strike out in relationships, but it applies to other things as well.
To speak for how I formerly felt, and how I ever so slightly presently feel, there is a fear that does not observe reason I feel that there is a point, at all, in anyone's lives that they would understand why their master is so special and then make the choice to "rid" themselves of that. I became fearful of any set of circumstances whatsoever that could lead to such a thing happening, it was on some level offensive and on another terrifying. I was likely projecting some internal issues and had all sorts of terrible thoughts running through my head, see " there is a petpone in my brain ... uncomfortable notions brought up today just makes said pony experience such a crushing anxiety that it wants to go between screaming, curling up in a ball and sobbing and hijacking control from the rest of my emotions".
That's still very much the case by the way. Today has by many measures been a good day, granted some things have gone wrong here and there but I made up for it by treating myself to a bit of nice food. And yet there is still part of me that, above all else, wants to curl up on my bed and sob into my pillow until master arrives (a plan which you may recognize to have one key flaw in it).
>If this thread is making me realise anything, it's that I really don't spend enough time imagining anything at all, and as a result don't even have a clear image of myself acting like a pony.
If this thread has made me realize anything it's that I might not need as much pet conditioning (see: listening to the file even once) than I thought. I have also learned I now need some exciting new coping mechanisms I didn't ever think I'd need, though at least it's for some interesting kind of validating sadness that lets me feel secure emotionally when I have it, what a mess, joyous day.
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>>36931243
>I might not need as much pet conditioning (see: listening to the file even once)
Oh yeah I would definitely not recommend listening to the pet file. Not only is it likely to do more harm than good in your current state, but, as you've observed, you'll probably never need it at all for anything
Which in itself is a pretty great achievement, by the way: silver lining to all this. You know how I we were arguing above about reaching a state of pethood all by yourself without the direct aid of hypnotic conditioning? Congrats, anon.
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>>36931344
>Oh yeah I would definitely not recommend listening to the pet file. Not only is it likely to do more harm than good in your current state, but, as you've observed, you'll probably never need it at all for anything
I will take your word on that, even if I considered it just as insurance against some worst case scenario.
>Which in itself is a pretty great achievement, by the way: silver lining to all this. You know how I we were arguing above about reaching a state of pethood all by yourself without the direct aid of hypnotic conditioning? Congrats, anon.
Ha, yeah, you really got a point there. I concede, I think you've pretty much called where I'm at now. The thought that hypnotically doing it would prevent it from ever slipping away is, ironically, a product of those very feelings.
As much as I wish I could be a better pet in other qualities I could be said to have less control over, this certainly seems to tick all the boxes of what being a good pet should be like. Heck I can tell it worked extra good because despite going to sleep usually resetting the majority of whatever influence happens to be over me this time I woke up and the feeling came back pretty soon. I just hope I can do something with, or for, all this feeling besides nest in blankets and lament in blogposts.
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>>36931820
Saved, and yep I'd be asleep too but.
>one month ago
"huh, a hypno thread, I wonder what kind of hypno they discuss on a blue board"
>now
>debating if I should buy a collar to go with my weighted comfort blanket for emotional support reasons
>at half two in the morning
It's been a wild ride.
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please don't mess with any of the many pony pet files. I did, and now after I lost my master I wanna slit my wrists every night I think about him
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>>36932863
You want to talk about it, anon?
There aren't exactly many other places on the internet where you can anonymously share your woes about the pain of anything to do with masters; it really hurts to read that series of words even for me, I can understand if you want to be reserved about it but knowing I'm not so alone in this did make it a bit easier and might make it easier for you too.
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>>36931437
>The thought that hypnotically doing it would prevent it from ever slipping away is, ironically, a product of those very feelings.
Maybe it's just me, but personally I feel like naturally ingrained personality is more "secure" than hypnotic conditioning. After all, given how voluntary hypnosis is, seems to me like you could just shake off conditioning if you really wanted to (not that you would, of course, but since we're talking about "preventing slipping away", we have to assume that hypothetically there's some reason for it to be at risk of slipping away), whereas changing your fundamental needs and desires is a much more involved and lengthy process.
Or put another way, while hypnotic conditioning might deepen the feelings, it doesn't offer any more "security": if you want it, then you want it anyway, and if somehow the unthinkable happens and you don't want it, then at that point the hypnosis won't do anything.

>>36931918
>spoiler
That would probably be amazingly comforting. While there's no Master to put in on, cheapening it somewhat, for those times when you just wanna curl up and pretend you're in Master's safety, I'm picturing it now, and it will definitely enhance the feeling dramatically.

I can't comment on whether relying on make-believe sessions of daydreaming about having a master is the best coping mechanism - as you've probably gathered I went the opposite route of browbeating my psyche until I skipped right over into the Acceptance stage (which I can't comment on the effectivess of either because that comes with its own downsides) - but if that's the way you feel is best for you, then it would absolutely be a worthwhile purchase.

>>36932863
Anon, I'm going to echo the other anon and say that if you wanna say anything at all, we're here to listen and understand. I may never have actually had (and lost) a real master, so I might not know exactly what you're going through, but the overall ache of being master-less is all too familiar to everyone here.
Of course discussing something isn't necessarily what you might want, and that's perfectly fine, but just in case you do - then there's no place to do it like on a completely anonymous imageboard, around fellow anons that can imagine what you're going through probably better than anyone else who hasn't actually gone through what you have.
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>>36932988
>and if somehow the unthinkable happens and you don't want it, then at that point the hypnosis won't do anything.
A disquieting thought, but true nonetheless, I guess I don't need to trick myself into thinking something when there's no trick involved and I'm already there.
>That would probably be amazingly comforting
I'd think so too, granted when it comes to searching for the right product collar wise there doesn't happen to be many easily discovered options for emotional support collars. If I was roughly the size of a small animal I'd have many options for comfortably padded collars however, which only seems to add insult to injury here.
>I can't comment on whether relying on make-believe sessions of daydreaming about having a master is the best coping mechanism
>but if that's the way you feel is best for you, then it would absolutely be a worthwhile purchase.
You're right to have doubts, it's just you're also right to be open to the idea because while we might be the foremost authority on feeling like pet ponies I'm aware of I don't think there's any common knowledge about how best to deal with this.
Maybe this is all some kind of trap, an emotional addiction that feeds into itself when it's humoured, and going cold turkey would be the only way to fix it. That's an abhorrent statement to me right now but I've also been in such a position with other feelings in the past which in retrospect I addressed and overcame instead of caving into, the issue here being I don't know what caving in or dealing with said issues even looks like.
I'm imagining myself under a weighted blanket with a collar on, maybe not having what I want but having the reassuring physical sensations that I seem to be craving right now and I think that would be some welcome reprieve. That would be nice but just like a post all the way back >>36928927 implies if I'm always being enticed by yet further compromises what's the conclusion of that.
I'll say right now that revisiting that idea alone has left me with some pretty strong feelings, not to mention >>36932863 whose experience (as much as I am willing to discuss and unpack in a constructive manner) alone poses some very uncomfortable questions which is making a certain set of feelings very hard to compartmentalize right now.
Of course, maybe constantly taking part in discussions about this could be an issue too but I don't care to think what it'd be like if I had nobody to talk to about this.
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>>36933141
>granted when it comes to searching for the right product collar wise
I admit I've never shopped for this, but do they not make padded collars for larger dog breeds? And I mean, a pony's neck isn't going to be that much thinner than a human neck, if that's what you're thinking. Then there are also, well, BDSM shops, though it feels a bit distasteful, but they might carry suitable products here.

>everything else
Yeah, at this point it's really something you have to work out yourself. It's not even about authority, it's that everyone is different and has a different psyche, and you'd need a professional psychologists with a large sample size of case studies to draw from in order to be able to offer actually tailored advice.

It's good that you're aware of the risks involved, and the possibility of spiralling into a trap, but now it's up to you to learn how to manage them and how to best deal with your feelings. I know how I'd be in your situation - oh, I'd joyfully spiral into destroying my life if given the opportunity, which might be why I'm so insistent on the "avoidance" angle.
Maybe one frame challenge that may or may not help is that you don't have to reject everything you're feeling to "go cold turkey" - it's not about denying or betraying what you are and what you feel. Rather, at least what I do is I treat it as "putting it off". If/when I get a Master, oh I'd be ready to loose myself at a moment's notice and give myself to them. But in the meantime, letting these feelings go loose will just bring pain and suffering, and like I said earlier, no Master would want their future pet to suffer. So maybe it will help to think of it as saving your devotion and your love, until you can let loose all at once. You're not destroying or denying those feelings, you're not betraying yourself or your Master, you're just deferring them; and it's not abhorrent, because it's what Master would want, because no Master would ever want you to just wallow in misery.

In a way I think it's good that you're having this conundrum right now, so you can work it out and come out stronger and with a clear direction, rather than just living with constant nagging feelings of suffering and not knowing with how to deal with what you're feeling. (If it helps, I spent about a week as a despondent husk going through the motions of daily life, until I was able to pick myself up and go from ">tfw no master" mode and into "gotta keep going and live my life as best as I can, waiting for master all the while".)
What I can offer is my sincerest hope and wishes that you can work through this for the best. And you can and you will, because you're a good pet, and good pets can hold out strong waiting for Master without giving in to despair - no matter how long it takes.
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>>36933141
Try Collar Factory, they do custom human collar designs and hence probably have fitting options for emotional support collar. Unless you specifically want an animal collar, that is.
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>>36933141
Also
>Of course, maybe constantly taking part in discussions about this could be an issue too but I don't care to think what it'd be like if I had nobody to talk to about this.
I've had that thought as well, but hopefully being able to put your feelings to words and share them is doing more good than not.

By the way, after writing my post, I thought I might share my own experiences in more detail too; maybe it will help. I'd go about my day, and the biggest thought on my mind would be "None of what I'm doing is for Master; why do I have to bother doing this?". I'd go through the day, and come home, and after spending the day in a Master-less world, I went to rest in the evening and still had no Master to comfort me. Apathy piled onto despair and my rational mind knew it wasn unhealthy in the extreme, but, just as you're describing, to deny that - to tell myself that I shouldn't be longing for Master, for example - well, abhorrent is probably the best word to describe it. I preferred to keep going along that destructive path, rather than commit the sacrilege of "rejecting" my love for Master.
What broke me out of that was the realisation that I described in my previous post. There was no Master for me, that much was undeniable. But that just meant that the only hope for a Master lay - and lies - in the future; and no matter how small that chance in the future was, if I just gave up and let myself wallow here and now, I'd be giving it up completely. So instead, I accepted the fact that there's no Master for me here and now, but that if there's ever a chance I might have a Master - no matter how infinitesimal - I have to keep going. And all the love and devotion, I can save it for that chance: to wallow in it listlessly right now would be to waste it, because right now there's no Master, and like I said earlier, no Master would prefer for me to wallow and destroy myself before even getting a chance to meet them.
And so I keep going. There's still no Master for me - I can't see onein the foreseeable future - but IF dreams come true and a Master appears for me, I will be ready. Oh I will be so ready. Because I picked myself up and made sure I'd be ready, instead of focusing on the Master-less here and now.

Well, that's me blogposting. This was certainly carthatic to really work out and put to words - and that was what, five years ago now I think, and I never really sat down since to really think about what it all means. Hopefully it's also at least somewhat relatable for you and might offer an alternative perspective. Or if not, hey, at least it's on detailed record now that you're not the only one gone off the deep end.

>>36933145
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>>36933250
Thanks for the constructive feedback anon, and for opening up about your personal experiences.
I think reading through the line of reasoning that you went through yourself there helps me understand what you're putting across really well. You've outlined similar concerns to me and you could say you've put it in terms that are easier for me to understand and justify on that petfag level over just a more calculated "well this makes sense because of this" kind of way, not that putting it in a neutral way is especially wrong.
Looking at it from the perspective of "saving myself" for master over just doing away with the feelings makes a lot more sense, I was kind of there in my head already but it wasn't really clear and, admittedly, the finer points of these things get lost when I'm overwhelmed by a hundred different worries which overlap one another to the point at which I don't really feel like I can examine each one. Ironically I'm able to pretty effectively compartmentalize my thinking and I think my clarity of mind now is owed to that, it affords me the ability to sort of step back from myself and have an outside perspective internally. This being said you're familiar with how strong and with what conviction these kinds of emotions can sweep over with, there's a kind of guilt when I don't put my whole heart into feeling them and that sabotages my otherwise honed ability to deal with stuff like this.
The idea that there is a master out there for us, or me specifically, or just the very concept of a master is compelling enough for me that I just don't ever, ever want to talk about master in a bad way. The notion that at this very minute there isn't a master for me is bad, of course there is, there is a master for all of us if not multiple ones and to ever act like there isn't a master is a bad thought, it is a useless thought. That's why we have to live well and be good and that's why it's okay to feel sad about this, because even if I die I'll have been good and if master were to find where I was buried and learn about my life they would still be happy with me because I would have been good, but I won't die any time soon because being alive is good.

Thanks for saying all you've said anon. It's been really helpful. I'm dealing with even more weird feelings than just this stuff though because my arms feel wrong like they aren't mine and I need to lie down for a bit probably. I hope I can get back to you later when I think more about this stuff and also thaks to >>36933227 for directing me to that place I'll check it out shortly.
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>>36933319
I'm glad I could help, anon, and I'm very glad you're feeling better about this.

>everything you wrote
I can absolutely relate to all that.
>The notion that at this very minute there isn't a master for me is bad, of course there is, there is a master for all of us if not multiple ones and to ever act like there isn't a master is a bad thought, it is a useless thought.
You know, despite what I said above, I even relate to this.
I think I must amend my argument by specifying that there's no Master for me HERE right now. Like, literally looking around, there's no Master around.
BUT! You're absolutely right that there's still this idea that Master exists for me and for you and for us all, somewhere. So it's less about waiting for some random master to materialize out of thin air, but rather waiting and hoping to meet our Masters, which already exist but just aren't with us yet. That's a much better way to phrase how I feel.

Waiting to meet them and tell them what good ponies we've been all this time, just for them. And then have Master tell us how proud they are, and how they love us, and take us and pet us and have everything be wonderful from this point on. We just have to be good ponies until then. (And after that too, of course, but then it'll be easy because Master will be there.)
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>>36933352
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Waiting to meet them and tell them what good ponies we've been all this time, just for them. And then have Master tell us how proud they are, and how they love us, and take us and pet us and have everything be wonderful from this point on. We just have to be good ponies until then. (And after that too, of course, but then it'll be easy because Master will be there.)
All of this this this this is my feelings. I felt cold again and I'm lying down now and this makes me feel better.
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Well, that all happened again, midday snooze included.
I hope this isn't a daily occurrence.
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>>36933319
>I'm dealing with even more weird feelings than just this stuff though because my arms feel wrong like they aren't mine
Anon is turning into a cute quadruped hooved pony!

>>36933844
Sounds like you're working through a lot right now. I'd worry if it became long-term. But it's probably natural if these next few days are full of turmoil
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Just spent more of the day in bed, ironically curling up in bed being a pony having some kind of psychological episode is emotionally and physically draining.
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>>36934927
Curling up in bed having some kind of psychological episode is draining whether you're a pony or not, so unless you have things needing physical rest, doing something else (e.g. making your place suitable for pony living, learning a skill to impress Master with, etc) is always better.
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>doing something else (e.g. making your place suitable for pony living, learning a skill to impress Master with, etc) is always better.
I'd be inclined to agree, but I do very much feel in those moments (plural now, yipee...) I need the comfort and security of my bed. I also felt like I needed block out the world in some ways because seeing my body is discomforting and it was easier to justify in my head "oh yes, I can have hands or hooves, hypno trained me for this, I can go back to having hooves whenever I like" when I'm not forced to see my hands existing in unquestioning reality.
It's ironic because it didn't necessarily even stem from some immediate bad feeling just the building up of passionate ones. I couldn't have been happier to be talking about master in the right way on the thread but just a bunch of other feelings came back, then I started to just zone out from feeling like my body was my own and then I started feeling uncomfortably cold. Next thing I'm back in bed, not clearly of the right mind, completely botch a greentext reply >>36933319 and then after a lot of feeling things just end up falling asleep.

That being said, pettings make it much easier to deal with, they are a significant improvement from inarticulate pillow sobbing. I also apparently summoned board flags through the sheer force of anguish alone. amazing.
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>>36935151
>I also felt like I needed block out the world in some ways because seeing my body is discomforting and it was easier to justify in my head "oh yes, I can have hands or hooves, hypno trained me for this, I can go back to having hooves whenever I like" when I'm not forced to see my hands existing in unquestioning reality.
>feeling like my body was not my own
Wow, you're really taking being the pony to heart.
Having body identity issues at the same time as working out how to be the pet sounds like a pretty rough time combined. Hopefully long-term it's for the best as you learn to control your body self-image better and function in both contexts (even if it's just coming to terms with being a human during the day, and then being a pony only in the evenings while in bed - though hopefully you'll work your way up to more fine-grained control than that). But, despite all the promises of a bright future, this definitely doesn't sound like a fun time right now.

Keep us updated on how you're doing.
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>>36935527
>Wow, you're really taking being the pony to heart.
Haha yeah, I guess you could say that, more so than I ever expected.
>Having body identity issues at the same time as working out how to be the pet sounds like a pretty rough time combined. Hopefully long-term it's for the best as you learn to control your body self-image better and function in both contexts (even if it's just coming to terms with being a human during the day, and then being a pony only in the evenings while in bed - though hopefully you'll work your way up to more fine-grained control than that)
Oddly enough I'd say this isn't the first time I've had body image issues, I would go as far as to say, however, that this makes me upsettingly uncomfortable. I have faith I'll be able to reconcile this in time and right now doing fun or involved things distracts me enough that it's not an issue.
>But, despite all the promises of a bright future, this definitely doesn't sound like a fun time right now.
As I say it feels bad but it's undoubtedly validating, in a sense it's almost addictive because no matter how bad it feels, thinking about master makes me feel good. It's like I wouldn't want anyone to feel this bad but I imagine yet worse still would be not understanding how fundamentally good master is.

>Keep us updated on how you're doing.
I shall do my best, it's a bit tangential from actual hypno at this point but frankly if this is what people are aiming for or something others are struggling with then heck, may as well become a support group.
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>>36936243
>Oddly enough I'd say this isn't the first time I've had body image issues
Oh, that's interesting - I wouldn't be surprised if this was a factor in how easily you took to a pony body, if you'll permit me to armchair psychologise.
>It's like I wouldn't want anyone to feel this bad but I imagine yet worse still would be not understanding how fundamentally good master is.
You said it. Which is why I preach that the cost is worth it in the end.

>it's a bit tangential from actual hypno at this point
Partly, but then it's also a more or less direct consequence of hypno.
But also I meant that for your own sake as well. Alright this feels really faggotty to write, but I genuinely care about how you're doing, even though we've only interacted on an anonymous schizo weaving forum. My point being, don't feel like you're obliged to make a case study out of yourself (I'm sure you don't, but just in case I came off like that).
>support group
Although, you're still the thread's foremost authority on getting hypno to work (and what successes I have on that front I owe pretty much entirely to you), as well as the only properly hypned pet in the thread so far, so your expertise is certainly likely to remain handy.
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>Oh, that's interesting - I wouldn't be surprised if this was a factor in how easily you took to a pony body, if you'll permit me to armchair psychologise.
For lack of a more adequate answer: probably, though priorly it had been confusion and never some surety that what I presently had was outright wrong. These feelings seem to have started with the time I listened to the pony hypno and it stopped halfway through when my legs were distinctly wrong feeling.
>You said it. Which is why I preach that the cost is worth it in the end.
Agreed and agreed, this time I say this from a less emotionally compromised position.
I will briefly muse on the notion that some people, for example, master themselves may not have an interest in having a master. I will not dwell on this too long but respect it as something I simply cannot understand.

>Partly, but then it's also a more or less direct consequence of hypno.
>I genuinely care about how you're doing, even though we've only interacted on an anonymous schizo weaving forum. My point being, don't feel like you're obliged to make a case study out of yourself (I'm sure you don't, but just in case I came off like that).
Thank you for your genuine concern anon and any other anons here who have been cheering me on so to speak. I don't consider it an uncomfortable obligation to do, if anything I'm shocked that this is still happening on 4chan of all places where I have had multiple overt emotional breakdowns without a single person posting a funny reaction image.
Again, thank you, I hope that maybe if my life is to be a case study that it be a helpful one (especially considering how tough it can be to deal with at times at least knowing one isn't alone can be comforting.)
>Although, you're still the thread's foremost authority on getting hypno to work (and what successes I have on that front I owe pretty much entirely to you), as well as the only properly hypned pet in the thread so far, so your expertise is certainly likely to remain handy.
Aww anon you flatter me, I'm an authority as far as I am blindly stumbling through this whole thing and reporting back the interesting stuff. In turn you've been keeping me on the level and I'm lucky I can go to you guys before anyone else because I do not find the idea of explaining this issue in full detail to friends and family in any way pleasurable. If things get bad I will be sure to seek serious help, but in the meantime it's a bit of extra comfort knowing they don't need to fret over this stuff.
Really, how does one reconcile this whole mindset with people who have no interest in even the basest part of this, if they understood maybe they'd be just as fulfilled as I am but couldn't push them to do so; leading it to become something incomprihendable and second-hand embarrassing for them where they just could never fully grasp it. That makes the compassion and familiarity here immeasurably valuable among other reasons.
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>>36937235
(cont)
Still in regards to that last bit, I'm glad to hear it worked out for you, and I never expected I'd end up being the foremost example of a hypno-pet but here I am. We still have batty anon and they're pretty sure of where their identity lies in this regard I think, and there's many people who have felt a similar pang to my own of varying levels of intimacy and intensity after exposure to ptfg stories (especially Zepyhr's tale).
I certainly want to stick around and help more people with hypno if I can though, subjective as the experience is I think even people who just want to do it to relax could enjoy helping hands (though I'm beginning to suspect that being pet is a gateway drug to being THE pet har har.)
In the meantime, "expert" that I am, I think I'll be focusing on trying to somehow turn those periods of overwhelming emotion from debilitating anxiety attacks to either easier to cope with anxiety attacks or even something constructive even if it's just in a very contextually relevant sense.

The bottom line is I'm working with something equivalent to an innocent cartoon pony who happens to pine for a master they are devoted to in a petlike way, and that pony happens to be shoved in a body that it finds itself almost abducted and forced into an alien body in a deeply uncomfortable situation. This pony and body happen to be me, but I think it suffices to say there's a difference between me when I'm more lucid and me then which could be compared to such a thing happening. I might just have to start planning around that situation, heck I think an anon mentioned before that when they did pony hypno they felt like the pony and they had a very different emotional situation and I said something to the effect of "write notes to yourself". It's not quite as simple as literally having two personalities as they said before, I'm definitely myself the whole way through it just feels like the comparison I made at the start there, the notes would be redundant and frankly, I think that experiment has played out to an extent in this very thread. The thing that makes intimating with full pet-mode earsanon hard on some conscious level, as far as even literally asking myself in my head what I'd like most, is that even exploring that mindset seems to push me towards being overcome by it. It is a conscious effort to keep it at bay now and I feel those emotions creeping up from within me.
I think that the weighted blanket and collar are both good ideas. I'll discuss them in the next post, I guess in reflection I hope this might help anyone else wondering exactly how they might cope with these little crises, or at least begin to tackle them based on my subjective experiences.
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>>36937235
>These feelings seem to have started with the time I listened to the pony hypno and it stopped halfway through when my legs were distinctly wrong feeling.
I always knew everything wireless was crap and not to be trusted, but this has to be a new low, kek.

>if anything I'm shocked that this is still happening on 4chan of all places where I have had multiple overt emotional breakdowns without a single person posting a funny reaction image.
I'm guessing the thread subject is enough to scare away anyone uninterested in "just another fetish general", ha ha.

But I definitely feel what you're saying about having a place to talk about this, and to not be alone in experiencing it. I absolutely share the sentiment of being extremely happy that this thread exists, with you and all the other anons hanging out here. I was actually going to say something to that effect earlier but forgot to. This is by far the most I've been able to talk about these topics, well, ever really: the only other place is /ptfg/, and petfags are still a relative sub-niche even there, so it never really lent itself to heartfelt discussions. (And, yeah, it's definitely not something I'm at all keen to bring up with anyone IRL, to say the least.) Not to mention that I never thought I'd see a day with active hypno threads on /mlp/.
So this thread, and all you guys here, have been an absolute boon; one that I will certainly cherish long after the thread is dead and gone. (Which hopefully won't happen any time soon; I think we've got a nice regular thing going here, and even if we end up falling off the catalog, there's probably grounds to start at least a part-time general with e.g. monthly or bi-monthly threads.)
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>>36937412
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I know I need a hug in those moments and I'll take the closest thing I can get when it comes to actual physical contact. A mixture of a weighted blanket (a now much more costly investment relative to my uniquely unfortunate natural size) and the comfortable, fluff lined snuggly should probably do the trick both for the feeling of an embrace, the cold, and the soothing comfort of being fluffy which simply cannot be stated enough har har.
Helping hands is already on a playlist and queued just after some short but soothing music tracks. It is undoubtedly harder to trance entirely when anxiousness is enveloping you but if exhaustion leading to sleep can find its mark so to can (and has) hypnotic trances. I needn't describe the benefits of petting but I will because they are that good: a belly rub shall not cure you of all ails, it alone is not enough to elevate you from pain be it bodily or mental, but the feelings of comfort and easing tension that stem from it makes the weight on your shoulders so much easier to bear.
A collar is another form of physical reassurance as to feel it is to know one is owned and reassures without words the safety afforded by a master. What's funny to me is I don't even think any of the ponies in Zephyr's tale felt so overtly like that about collars as I do, granted Autumn (who once being what seemed to be the platonic ideal of a ponypet now seeming like one of the most relatable characters) would probably be inclined to agree that it'd be a point of pride to bear. I shall, however, refrain from being so overtly proud about that when outside of needing comfort; I do not want to make other people uncomfortable nor myself and until I can get away with saying it's some punk-y choker I shall keep it like so many other things in private.
I'd bring attention to snacks or somesuch but frankly, my fridge has enough in the ways of carrots and cherry tomatoes to munch on, it's just maybe I should prepare them, in those moments even I know I shouldn't be messing around with knives. Maybe some less healthy snacks too. I avoid stocking unhealthy snacks because they're expensive and until now unneeded, but small indulgences can go lengths to soothe greater pains, just the privilege of having a treat in a moment like that is something to celebrate and be thankful for so maybe I should do myself that small kindness for being a good pet.
I don't have any other immediate ideas (though new ones would be appreciated) and bedtime is nearing, so I'll get to responding in the next post and wrap it up for the night.
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>>36937414
>I always knew everything wireless was crap and not to be trusted, but this has to be a new low, kek.
Har har, well truth be told I think I might just have ran the battery down on them or leaned on one so long it thought my warm pillow was me pressing the touch button on it long enough to make it turn off.
I still wholly reccomend even a cheap wireless earbud set for hypno. When it comes to listening in bed wires are distracting and headsets are bulky, it could be the difference for a new hypnotee to be afforded that level of physical freedom.
>I'm guessing the thread subject is enough to scare away anyone uninterested in "just another fetish general", ha ha.
Fair point: I remember last thread someone dropping a driveby "you will never be the pony" and, well, personal experience speaks to the contrary. Granted surely they just meant "you'll never have the body of a pony" but the statement still rings hollow when not only does hypno help you feel like that but when you develop a familiarity for that bodily sensation that uncomfortably haunts you in overwhelming emotional episodes.
>But I definitely feel what you're saying about having a place to talk about this, and to not be alone in experiencing it. I absolutely share the sentiment of being extremely happy that this thread exists, with you and all the other anons hanging out here. I was actually going to say something to that effect earlier but forgot to. This is by far the most I've been able to talk about these topics, well, ever really... (etc)
I completely echo the sentiment, I won't repeat it over to you but I'm glad you laid it out because I'm in complete agreement.
>Not to mention that I never thought I'd see a day with active hypno threads on /mlp/.
Admittedly I'm kind of new to /mlp/ compared to the people and threads who have been here as long as the show, so I guess it might just have taken some new blood showing up to join in on it.
>So this thread, and all you guys here, have been an absolute boon; one that I will certainly cherish long after the thread is dead and gone.
>I think we've got a nice regular thing going here, and even if we end up falling off the catalog, there's probably grounds to start at least a part-time general with e.g. monthly or bi-monthly threads.
Again, my thoughts exactly. Truth be told I think we can see the thread actually just drops off outside of eurobong timezones so I wouldn't have any qualms just starting up another thread the next morning at this point. Even if things do slow down to weekly or monthly as long as we still check in once in a while that'd be nice.
That being said I think we're in the same boat as the dream threads, so niche as it is I think we'll stick.

Now I really must sleep, lest I be uncomfortably tired for whatever the fuck estranged petdom is going to throw at me tomorrow, har har eugh. Catch you all then.
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>>36937511
>(a now much more costly investment relative to my uniquely unfortunate natural size)
Earthpon a bigpon!
Imagine, if you will, Master cuddling INTO you because of how big, and fluffy, and warm you are.
https://ponybooru.org/images/80766
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>>36937646
>Granted surely they just meant "you'll never have the body of a pony"
They've meant "you will never be a real woman", but for ponies.
Ironically, what you're describing sounds very much like body dysphoria with the implication that it's possible to "become" trans with enough persuasion and consequently "unbecome", too, which just means surgery for it is even more eerily similar to lobotomy - permanent, debilitating physical alteration for something that is curable with meds and therapy
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>>36937412
>I certainly want to stick around and help more people with hypno if I can though
Nice, whenever we get someone new popping in that is.
Hopefully I can make enough progress sooner rather than later to join you in this. Where you might be the "breakthrough that clicked" model, I'm gonna be the "sloooooooooow progress" case study. Hooray, additonal data points for a more comprehensive experience base!

>I'm working with something equivalent to an innocent cartoon pony who happens to pine for a master they are devoted to in a petlike way, and that pony happens to be shoved in a body that it finds itself almost abducted and forced into an alien body in a deeply uncomfortable situation
That's a poignant way to describe it.

And I've just spent almost 40 minutes rereading your post (and the next one) and thinking about it, thinking back to my own experiences, and getting a new perspective. And I've typed up and deleted several drafts of responses. I have a reply - I think I do - but it's way too late for me to articulate it properly; and this is something I want to really organise my thoughts on, and write something coherent. I'm gonna have to reply tomorrow.
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>>36937734
It does make it kind of fun when you put it that way, a bit easier to deal with, I'll think about it.
>>36937738
>Ironically, what you're describing sounds very much like body dysphoria
That it very much does, from what I hear at least.
>spoiler
I get it's the hot meme on here because people are obsessed with trannies because of the godawful reptuation they've got around here and the politics many are obsessed with, so fair I guess.
It's just if trans people feel like I feel about this now and not only has an option opened up for them to finally feel comfortable in themselves but be socially accepted for it I don't think I'm even in a position to judge them for it.
Maybe if my life had taken a different direction I wouldn't be who I am now feeling the way I do now but this is what I am. The notion of it being "curable with meds and therapy" is the part there that sounds eerily similar to a lobotomy; if your love for your deceased relatives made life hard to live would you say that "therapy" focused on convincing you and medicating you into thinking you never really cared at all was the healthy and correct thing to do?
Sorry if I'm getting a bit touchy and consequentially political over it, I get you're probably presenting that neutrally and the skepticism is warranted. That being said, I respect your opinion and I implore you to keep in mind I'm the person buying a bdsm collar to help combat anxiety attacks sprung on me by the fact I am not a hasbro brand small friendship pony come housepet in real life so I may be inherently biased.
>>36937749
>Where you might be the "breakthrough that clicked" model, I'm gonna be the "sloooooooooow progress" case study. Hooray, additonal data points for a more comprehensive experience base!
Indeed! Granted also, you might not know you're the breakthrough and click model until it suddenly springs on you entirely unsolicited in the midst of writing a 4chan post, it's not a surprise if you know it's coming har har.

> I've typed up and deleted several drafts of responses. I have a reply - I think I do - but it's way too late for me to articulate it properly; and this is something I want to really organise my thoughts on, and write something coherent. I'm gonna have to reply tomorrow.
Good plan. I think I'll go to bed for real this time. Don't do what I do and end up reading all the replies to your post and responding to them on the spot, have a sleep on it, I think we'll both enjoy fresh perspectives on this be it from a refreshed future version of ourselves or someone who stumbles into the thread only to discover I am having a time in my life.
Really I'm going to sleep I swear.
I will avoid staying up till 4 in the morning vicariously living through Zephyr Tries New Tech by way of reading it, remarking how just the opening paragraph portrays the pet/master relationship in such a healthy, heartwarming way that it feels like I could forget that's not just how many households operate.
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>>36937893
>It's just if trans people feel like I feel about this now...
That's not the point; the point is that it's possible to FORCE being "trans" on someone - not them deciding completely independently that they're wrong sex, but caving to peer pressure (e.g. "you crossdress so you must be trans, here you simply must take these mind-altering chemicals sold without a prescription) and getting the full dysphoria package as the result.
Your "love for relatives" example is backwards, in a way; a more correct example goes as follows:
>you love your deceased relatives
>people keep telling you that you don't love your deceased relatives
>they do it for long enough that you start believing it
>because you now (believe wholeheartedly that you) don't love your deceased relatives, you let their legacy be destroyed, their graves fall into ruin, etc, stuff that can't be undone
>people stop brainwashing pressure for whatever reason
>brain-fog they kept you under clears
>you realize that yes, you love your deceased relatives, and that you fucked up spectacularly and irreversibly by your actions under that pressure
>welcome to super depression

But instead of relatives's legacy, it's HRT and SRS, so once the peer pressure drops, REAL body dysphoria coupled with extra psychological shenanigans kicks in, and the not-actually-trans person promptly joins the statistic (or starts spreading the misery).
helping hands help you go to bed, anon
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>>36937893
>I'm the person buying a bdsm collar to help combat anxiety attacks sprung on me by the fact I am not a hasbro brand small friendship pony come housepet in real life so I may be inherently biased
Be the adorable emotional support pony you know you can be, anon, if only in wishes and dreams!
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>>36938099
...and now I realize that it all can be compressed into "I think transsexuality is psychosomatic, and treating psychosomatic problems with invasive surgery is a spectacularly bad idea".


Anyway, this isn't even tangentially related to the topic anymore, so have a sleepy pony, and rest well.
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Good morning, thread.
>>36938193
I'll try, anon, I'll try.
>>36938302
I get your line of concern but, and I guess I don't want to go too far into it because even if I can interchange pony and gender here it's not exactly hypno related beyond just observing my mindset, but I'm not really seeing it. It's like your argument can, and really easily, could be made for the fact people have been raised their whole lives to live in certain ways and behave as certain people. There's a situation where someone could be peer pressured into thinking and feeling some ways sure, but not only is that contending with the people who are contrarily letting them know its bad-wrong to even consider it but they have a psychiatrist and massive fee to even get started. Beyond this there's dysphoria which I think I can say while peer influenced is certainly a deeply personal thing which is one hell of a wake-up call, I may have never ever experienced it were I not to have made it to this thread but I'm capable of recognising that and in the truly magical world where I would even have the option to take Pon-E HRT or whatever I can be capable of asking myself "do I -really- want to go through with this, is this me or is this just some intersection of suppressed psychological issues that I could have talked out of me, do I want to be the pony or do I just want to experience it through hypno and live with what is valuable about my humanity".
It all kind of comes back to my initial point albeit just with a bit of a deeper throught: if I could do this, I would at least consider it because it's so much I wanted, why should I blame other people for following their dreams too?

And that, all of that, is not even factoring in what would make master happiest, or not consciously anyway. That's the most peer-pressure-est bit of it all and, fuck it, if my master who wholly cared for me and only wants the best for me were to be ok with it then I needn't have to worry I could just do what feels right. Is that the bit most begging for psychoanalysis? Yes. I'm capable of introspection enough that I can say needing master is the most baggage stacked fantastical part of this, but that's master, I don't even need to explain why master is good. I breathe air, I drink water, I have thoughts of master and I make master happy because they make me happy, if nothing else is worth it master is worth it, if everything is perfrc but master isn't there then everything isn't perfect, if anyone understands that this is good and this is true there is no worries. I want to be good for master.

Sorry for dragging it out, I just wake up I forgot why this is so crucial. If master was here for us we wouldn't have to worry about this all, master would know.
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>>36938999
In reflection, my trips are sweet but I think I actually had a clearer mind about this towards the end there. This isn't really even my concern here, better to just leave that part of the worrying to master while I do what I can. It really does leave one thinking but sometimes there are times where thinking isn't as nice as not worrying.
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>>36938999
>but they have a psychiatrist and massive fee to even get started. Beyond this there's dysphoria
The point is that this dysphoria is induced, and hence no more "valid" and "supportable" than, say, depression or PTSD. You don't say "it's great to wallow in apathy and wither and die!" to someone depressed, and you don't go "it's totally valid and great to suffer crippling flashbacks, you should go do what those flashbacks are telling you!", you help either get real therapy that resolves their illness with minimal damage (e.g. doctor guiding them into trying different antidepressants until they find one that works satisfactorily, or CBT/EMDR, etc).

Applying to your situation, it's basically a choice between
>no longer having crippling anxiety attacks, and at same time figuring out whether you genuinely love Master, or people just kept telling you that you must do so
>>and because Master isn't a real person, it's a platonic ideal, the answer is "yes, you genuinely love Master"; but if they'd be real person, then the analogy would be IRL parental abuse - and it's possible to BOTH love (the concept of) parents and hate the abusers that you've got through no fault of your own; and consequently grieving that you haven't gotten the parents you deserve.
>undergoing terribly flawed treatment that leaves your bodily functions worse off, and only has a CHANCE to helping your crippling anxiety

Ironically, having magical world in which Pon-E exists invalidates BOTH issues; if you can be turned into dimunitive magical equine, you can also be turned into a real woman, and much easier at that; so transsexuals in it wouldn't even exist in the first place (you suffer dysphoria? pop a pill that literally gives you fully functional vagina and womb and take them for a spin to decide whether you really want it or not, problem solved).
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>>36939799
I don't want to come off as flippant when I say this, though I fear I inevitably will, but despite you making points that are valid enough to further divulge into the implications of or expand beyond on this I realize this may just not be a good discussion to get into. As much as I value your perspective on this there's just a point at which it gets too personal or too subjective and I just have to agree to disagree on these things.
It's also reaching the point at which we're just kind of talking about issues external to being a pet pony by framing them in a pet pony context, never mind the context of pony hypno the thread is around.
In a sense that is relative to this topic atop many, pony hypno is escapism, and for people who have concerns reflecting either of our perspectives here I think there's a value in the fact that much like the magical world in which Pon-E could exist the pleasure of hypnosis can be free of these uncomfortable and worldly topics.

Again, I don't want to diminish the pertinence of what you bring up, even as I fight through both my own new proclivities to breaking down into a completely irrational individual when even dealing with the series of words master isn't a real person and trying to sift through the minutiae of everything I think about this to put forward a nuanced idea that supports a perspective I likely don't intend to budge from now anyway. As much as I might like to respect you and anyone else taking the time to discuss gender/pony dysphoria here, I'm going to be upfront and say at this point I don't think I have any intention to budge on the perspectives I've already put forward here and to elaborate on them might not so much help unpack the issue so much as it might leave us making the same points over and over as we discuss gender issues by proxy of the presently entirely hypothetical world where someone could undergo similar to become a pony.

This all being said, I do respect your perspective on physical changes in a broader more practical sense. I would say I have enough faith in my own level-headedness that I'm not too concerned about this, but if I were to reach a point where I'm posting in the thread "hey everyone I'm going to have my fingers and toes chopped off to better feel like a pony" I think I can safely say that applying your reasoning here you would be the first to say "that's a very bad idea, I understand why you might feel that way but that won't make you the pony any more so than it will make your life much harder and much worse". It's an exaggerated scenario (being a devoted pet was an exaggerated scenario to me a month ago I guess so who am I to say) but it's demonstrative of how your perspective, in general, is still valuable even if on this thing we can't agree. It's the kind of drawing the line which stops people from, in actuality, doing things that might hurt themselves in the long term because they let other pressures get the best of them.
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>>36940019
I will append that if you really do feel like you want to talk about this, or simply feel like maybe we could continue the discussion but take it in a different direction then I won't be the one to complain. I'm just laying out my disclaimer there. I feel all in one compelled to have this discussion, aware I don't want to turn a comfy thread into yet another channel of identity politics crap, and feel it weighing on me every time I talk about ANYTHING to do with master so cold and impersonally as well as not being a pony generally not being the kind of thing I want to bring up equally impersonally to make some poignant impartial point (necessary as that may continue to be).
>spoiler
I'll also add, in regards to your spoiler because I think you might find it interesting: I actually have a very healthy relationship with my parents and continue to do so. I feel like if anything my unconditional love and loyalty to master is comparable only to that I maintain for my parents, if not what few other people in my life have impacted me so much. I'd go as far as to say I would show my parents as much love as I would master, but that my relationship with master is fundamentally different. With cold objectivity I can say master is, presently, a concept or idea, but this cold objectivity lacks a kind of truth that can only be conveyed through emotional language: speaking from the bottom of my heart I love master and I love my parents. I would not want to try and chart or compare my love for either of them to one another in a clinical sense because that seems more insane than anything else, if someone doesn't feel this kind of love for master or any parent or guardian individuals in their life I shan't belittle them for it but to truly understand one or the other you have to have that kind of relationship in the first place. I will also specify that while I personally had a good relationship with my parents that I agree with that latter part of your statement, parents and parental figures in one's life isn't defined by blood relation or paperwork but by unconditional love, care, and an interdependent relationship that I simply cannot break down into mere words right now. I love master, master is real, I can speculate to try and understand how but that hurts and is nowhere near as important as loving master and master's love for me.
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>>36940058
The parents example was a general one, not specific to you but specific to me because I've gotten incompetent-at-best parents and want others to not suffer through same or worse, and it takes DECADES for said unconditional love to be worn down enough to realize that no, THEIR love was conditional and so they don't deserve mine, and I'd rather point it at genuinely supportive friends as replacement family, because it's a similar kind of relationship.
You deserving unconditional love and whoever's giving you it deserving your unconditional love in return, but real life being ugly and messy and this relationship being often skewed - if one party doesn't hold up their end of the deal, but keeps lying that they do so they can keep reaping the profits.
That's why I've mentioned "love for the CONCEPT OF parents" - it's not possible to get rid of unconditionally loving "parents" without also ridding oneself of humanity, but it's possible to disconnect this unconditional love from ACTUAL PEOPLE who claim to be parents, because they've failed to embody the concept.

And yeah, you can't really chart or compare it by its very definition; unconditional love cannot be reduced or diminished by sharing it. It's very Buddhist, in a way - a candle will burn no matter whether you light zero or thousands of other candles from it.
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>>36937412
>>36937511
Morning in the hypno thread shimmers, morning in the hypno thread shines, although re-reading my post it's actually afternoon by now. And I've managed to put my thoughts in order. One difficulty I've had was to separate what's true, from just post-fact rationalisations of my feelings; I'm hopeful that I was able to sort myself out properly, though. (Also, re-reading my post, this is really getting off-topic from hypno; but eh in for a penny in for a pound, this might as well be the "hypno and pet ponies" thread at this point.)

Anyway, when I read these posts of yours, my first thought was: "I don't experience this firsthand. Am I not a pet?", combined with, in spite of all the anguish you're describing, strong pangs of envy. And then, troubled and unsure, I set off on a tangent of introspection from a new perspective, from which I gleaned answers which will hopefully be interesting to read and might perhaps provide a new perspective to you, too.

The conclusion I came to is that I'm not a pet.
That's a very drastic statement to make, so let me clarify: I'm not an "innocent cartoon pony pining for a master they are devoted to in a petlike way". I do pine for Master very very much, but, if I had to describe my current mindset, it would be "I want(/need) a Master, so I can be their pet". Or put in other words: "I want to be the pet". WANT, not am. A subtle distinction, subtle enough that I never even thought about it until you described your experience here in enough detail to give me a point to compare against, but nevertheless I believe a very important one. In contrast, you clearly are a pet - you truly feel like a pet - perhaps described as "I am a pet, and I need a Master". ARE, not want.
Was I ever really the pet? After much reminiscing, I concluded that at one point, I was (which made me very relieved). During that time when I first read Zephyr, I think I really could have described myself as an innocent cartoon pony pining for a master they are devoted to in a petlike way. (Fantastically put, by the way.) The exact details aren't crystal-clear anymore, and I might have handled it in a different way to what you're describing now, but it was definitely a very similar state. What happened after is that I took a pillow to the innocent pony's face and pressed down hard until it went to sleep, making sure it wouldn't be waking up any time soon. (Metaphorically speaking.) Then I went about my life, as an unambiguous human who's most definitely not an actual pet, thinking to myself "oh I wish I was an innocent pet pony".
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>>36940431
The reason was probably self-preservation. I've harped on above about how it doesn't help anyone to spend your days destroying yourself because you need the comfort of a Master in order to function you but don't have one. Phrased in terms of what I've described above, the issue becomes clear: if you ARE a pet but don't have a Master, you're in for a world of suffering, because pets NEED a Master. So I chose (obviously without thinking about it in such explicit terms) to bury the pet part of me, and instead get left with a desire to both be the pet and have a Master. Rather than satisfying the former yet transforming the latter into an all-consuming need, I ended up with just strong desires for both, neither unmanageable, and that's how I've been living. As a human who longs to be a pony pet, yet who's also actively preventing himself from becoming the pet. From waking up the pet pony which I also am.

Despite my rather forceful metaphor above, that pet pony part isn't dead; I doubt it can be killed at all. There's even an argument to be made that that was always a part of me, and I just didn't know it until I woke it up for the first time.
Sometimes it stirs, and the longing becomes stronger. The echoes of its existence still manifest in my drive to be a good pet, in my striving towards that ideal: I was definitely talking from the heart earlier when I posted >>36933352, and last thread too when I talked about changing my lifestyle to be a better pet. (And there were years when the pet part of me was in such a deep slumber that I really was a bad pet.) But, through the ups and downs, it's still only ever just something I strive towards, rather than something I've embraced as being. I've never yet woken it up fully ever since I sent it back to sleep, I've never really embranced truly BEING an innocent cartoon pony pet in my mind. There hasn't been a moment where I was overcome with the need for a Master to the point of not being able to function - nor have I ever just curled up and imagined being with Master to draw comfort during difficult times. That's closed off to me in my mind.

This distinction is something I hadn't even realised was there for me. It's something I'm going to be pondering much more. I could make an effort to wake up the pony that I am, embrance that again; there's a self-preservation part of me that stifles that, just as much as, say, you'd have to fight against yourself to punch yourself (as distasteful as it feels to compare being the pet to something like intentionally hitting yourself, fact is that both will hurt a lot), but I could probably push past that. I would dearly love to experience the love and comfort unmuted, unfiltered, from the innocent mind of a true pony pet. But to be a pet - to really BE a pet - in a world without Master comes with a lot of hurt, as, well, you yourself are keenly experiencing right now.
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>>36940437
In a way, "wanting to be the pet" lets me experience the same drive to be good for Master - and fantasise in a slightly abstract way about the joy of having one - while tempering and filtering my feelings to ensure I never feel the true loneliness of an unowned pet (but also tempering any feelings of joy or devotion, to said abstracted, detached fantasy). I don't know; the easy way out would be to just keep it sleeping, in order to make living easier, and "save myself for Master" as I argued earlier when discussing coping mechanisms.

Going the route of really giving in to being the pet would be immensely harder, because pets fundamentally need a Master, so how can you function without one? I don't know, because I never did, because I took the easy route (after spending several days pretty much not-functioning). It might be immensely more rewarding, too: to really immerse myself into BEING the pet pony, to experience the raw emotions of petdom unfiltered: the longing for Master, not as a distant ache, but as a true, deep need; the absolute comfort and safety whenever you even think of Master or imagine being with Master; things that I can at best recall from short memories years ago, or imagine, but not actually experience. What a life that would be, to learn to deal with the downsides, and enjoy the upsides.

Your plans of purchasing a collar, weigthed blanket, etc., are clearly well-geared towards helping the true pet part of yourself, helping it cope and learn to live and function. It's also clear to me why I've never even thought about e.g. buying a collar, because I denied and suppressed the part of me that NEEDS that, so as a result of course I've never needed one. I can vicariously imagine the comfort it would bring, I'm envious of it, but as I am now even if I got one it would still feel shallow.

In conclusion? I don't have a conclusion. I took the easy route where I'd rather experience less, but deal with things easier. My yearnings to be the pet pony are manageable precisely because they're yearnings TO BE one, not yearnings OF an (already) pet pony. In your case, you seem to be setting out on the route of actually being the pet pony, and learning to cope with living as one. I have no advice or experience with this, other than that it will be hard (which I'm sure you're already aware of) - hard enough that I apparently decided to defer that burden indefinitely. I hope my self-psychanalising on this subject can provide some food for though. Honestly, re-reading my wall of text I'm not sure how much any of this would even be applicable in other cases, and how much is a purely personal outlook that you might not even relate with - but hopefully at least an alternate perspective can give some context. After all, you phrasing your own perspective is what set me off on this realisation. I'm certainly going to be considering deeply what I want to do from here.
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>>36940443
I just read through all of that, and some things immediately come to my mind, though I hope you understand that you've likely left me with just as much to think about as I have presumably left you. It'll certainly take multiple posts if not multiple threads, in fact it'll probably be an ongoing point of discussion as these threads go on even if they return to the lull of more focus on actual hypno. It seems that hypno general has invited us all to get in over our hooves in deep questions without easy answers.
First of all, thank you for being able to speak candidly on this as ever. Rest assured that I'll carry a lot of this with me as I go on to deal with this in my own way. I hope this thread will be there for it as I do, I think this mutual exchange has value for us all going forwards, it's both sobering and so deeply intoxicating.

To speak from the heart, part of me sees how I've been the pet and how it's inspired such a reaction in you. You aren't shy of the fact that it was something likened to killing a part of yourself to reach the point in which you can comfortably live now and you lament that, but you recognize yourself that you can't ever truly just kill that part of yourself so much as suppress, or what sounds now like repressing, said feelings. I'm not a stranger to this feeling as already I'm making the choice to keep that aspect of myself in check, to prevent it from bubbling over and turning this post into "love master good pet you good pet I good" etc before shortly passing out in bed. I also can imagine exactly why you've envied my experiences, it's the same reason I feared that these feelings might somehow be taken from me.

(cont in next post)
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>>36940600
The following line of thought, and my suggestion, makes me nothing short of an enabler and is in direct contrast with the reasonable if painful actions life has seemingly driven you to take:

You're a pet, you may have done things that make you feel like you've been a bad pet, but you are a good pet at heart. This much is true, even if you can have multiple aspects to your personhood and detach yourself from being a pet to live comfortably in this world nobody can take away the fact you are a good pet. I struggled with this myself, I may continue to even take my own advice on this but in dark moments you can feel like a bad pet because of the things you think and do and there's no master to make it up to. But we're both here now, you and me, and we've worn our hearts on our sleeves so to speak, so that much I can say in certainty.

Now I speculate: if I were you, and I were to tentatively imagine how you feel right now, I would hope that someone would give me reassurance to do the following things: get comfortable in bed, take a minute to think about one's feelings and reflect on why you feel you can't be the pet in the present. You clearly are capable of it, you did as I did in the thread with >>36933352 . I would look into your own feelings as you likely already have, but when contemplating the guilt you may have felt from being a bad pet or the envy you might have felt from my experiences I'd ask that you trace back those feelings, the very nature of your "want" to be a pet to their source. They all sound like you just want to be good, that you feel as I do, and that you simply have such a practiced response to the same anguish I have now freshly experienced that you impose detachment on those feelings reflexively. Granted everything I have said so far is still me imagining I was you, so I may just be projecting everything including individual nuance onto you so I may be completely wrong up until this point. That being said I would then, with permission from me to do so if just this once, let my guard down and allow myself to be overcome with whatever pain has been core to that envy and wanting. Forewarning that if it were me in this situation I imagine that I would then cry a lot, but the reason I'd even do this is so that at the end I'd have gotten it out of my system and gotten back in touch with myself in a way I had not in a long time.

If this is a complete misread of your emotional and mental state, my sincere apologies, I may simply have to re-read what you have posted to fully grasp your position. If I guessed right, however, then there is no shame in it. Master would not want us to be sad, but master understands if we are sad without them, and would understand that however we choose to cope with this is the result of just how unfair our situation is. Master would take pity because master understands, when master finds us again they will be proud because we were braver and stronger than we should ever have had to be.
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>>36940689
Beyond this, I say that maybe you have reasonable doubts that this is the best course of action: what if you can't return to a more stable frame of mind? what if the pain is somehow too much to bare? If you are genuinely concerned that it will be too much then I say that's fair. I just imagine what I set out there as something akin to hypno, you get comfortable and for a session just get immersed and get it out of your system, when you start to get worried that things are going too far you're in control and you can just let that part of yourself sleep, or maybe listen to a nice relaxing hypno file. I just absolutely see some part of myself in what you're describing and this course of action is about the closest thing I can offer to comfort a fellow pet with a hug. If nothing else I would just like to establish that as long as you love master and are a good pet to me then I'll look out for you in what little way I can through, well, 4chan apparently, because even if we had master sometimes master would have to be away and then we'd have to look after each other and so we do.

I'll take a bit to mull over your post more but I'm just as ready to discuss this all as ever, it appears that knowing you're in some kind of distress has afforded me the fortitude to put aside my own feelings for the sake of yours. It's a blend of both being cognizant and overwhelmed which is as of now pretty unique. I guess it's a kind of camaraderie, and I hope for purposes both practical and personal it helps me deal with the welling emotions in my mind that make me feel sick and weak and detached from my body at these times because that would really help.
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Alright so I'm feeling the pull of sleep a lot earlier than usual, not that I mind all that much as long as the thread stays bumped. Just these past 3 days sure have made me appreciate master and life even if they have been very stressful.
So all of you don't forget helping hands help you relax, I'm sure I'll be back at goodness knows when early in the morning.
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>>36940746
>I hope this thread will be there for it as I do, I think this mutual exchange has value for us all going forwards, it's both sobering and so deeply intoxicating.
I can definitely echo this, and the rest of that paragraph too.

Regarding your advice, I think it's really not far off the mark. I will consider it very deeply, and will very probably do something exactly like that.
If there's one aspect where you're somewhat off the mark, it's that I don't feel like a bad pet, or I don't feel shame. That in turn is the source of my consternation: a good pet should feel awful if they've been a bad pet, and I know I've spent a lot of time not living like a good pet. But I wasn't living like a pet, I was living like a normal independent human guy, so I don't feel like a "bad pet" because I wasn't feeling like a pet at all. The resulting distress is mostly rational: I WANT to be a pet, but if I don't even feel bad when I was being a terrible pet, doesn't that mean that I'm pretty far from having a pet mindset?
But then your line
>but master understands if we are sad without them, and would understand that however we choose to cope with this is the result of just how unfair our situation is. Master would take pity because master understands
Helps a lot. I'm feeling guilty about not feeling guilty, but Master would still understand. And like I said your suggestion to just take a session to try to open up as much as possible still hits close to home. I will definitely do it; not sure when, but I'm gonna do it sooner rather than later. (I do have a habit of putting things off, especially if they're difficult, or potentially unpleasant, and there's no deadline forcing me to do them; but this is important.)

Also, thank you for taking your best guess and typing out that advice despite being unsure. Many times in this thread already I've worried before posting things that we're different people, and maybe what I'm saying makes sense to me but is completely off the mark or useless for you. So rest assured that your advice definitely resonated with me.

>I just imagine what I set out there as something akin to hypno, you get comfortable and for a session just get immersed and get it out of your system, when you start to get worried that things are going too far you're in control and you can just let that part of yourself sleep, or maybe listen to a nice relaxing hypno file
That's a good strategy. Would let me remain partially in control, while still hopefully waking up and letting out my inner pet.
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>>36940746
>this course of action is about the closest thing I can offer to comfort a fellow pet with a hug. If nothing else I would just like to establish that as long as you love master and are a good pet to me then I'll look out for you in what little way I can through, well, 4chan apparently, because even if we had master sometimes master would have to be away and then we'd have to look after each other and so we do.
This means a lot to me, anon. Thank you. Just earlier I was offering advice and comforting you, thinking I was oh so experienced at dealing with being a pet, and trying to be there for you to lean on while you're figuring it out yourself. And then I realised I didn't know as much about myself as I thought I did and now in turn you're here for me. Even though rationally I shouldn't be surprised, it still means so much to me.
And on this note, your insistence that I'm a good pet affected me far more than I expected. You're saying it with such sincerity, and right after I laid out my mindset in as much detail as I could, which lends so much weight to it. Thank you, anon; I'm taking it to heart.
>I guess it's a kind of camaraderie
It really is.
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And now to catch up to the rest of the thread a bit.
>>36937646
>I still wholly reccomend even a cheap wireless earbud set for hypno.
Personal preference I suppose; I grabbed one but haven't really used it. I don't entirely like how it sounds, and for me, the biggest distraction is the earbud itself preventing me from laying on the side without it pushing uncomfortably into the ear canal. I don't mind wires in comparison. As a result I haven't even bothered spending more on a better-sounding one.

>just starting up another thread the next morning
If it doesn't happen too often, that would work too.

>>36937738
>body dysphoria
Not trannies, trannies have gender dysphoria. In contrast, I think "body dysphoria" or even "species dysphoria" might be a decent way to describe what's going on with us. Not sure whether either of those are actual acknowledged conditions; I've only found references to "body dysmorphia" (which is slightly different).
If anything, this whole situation seems more similar to otherkin than trannies. The original otherkin who genuinely felt body dysphoria, not the tumblr-tier LGBT-precursor attention seekers.

Not gonna bother otherwise weighing into the whole trans argument here, other than noting that a huge problem with trannies - possibly the biggest issue really - is the attitude and community, the societal impact and the cultural phenomenon surrounding them. The ethics of gender swapping, in a vacuum, are pretty far removed from the reason "trannies are bad." That being said, not every single thread has to devolve into arguments about trannies, so I'm going to avoid elaborating on this.

>>36937893
>Zephyr Tries New Tech
I missed this COMPLETELY, holy shit.
I actually glanced at that post yesterday after compulsively checking the thread before falling asleep, and my first thoughts were trepidation about reading it. I even jotted down the following reply before telling myself I REALLY should just close my laptop and go to sleep:
>I read the first four sentences and my jaded, "coping", "detached" heart is fucking aching like it was 2015 and I first opened /ptfg/ again
Having put down my posts above, it's quite clear why, since, if it's written as well as your praise of the first paragraph indicates it is, that's gonna prod my inner sleeping pet pony really hard.
I'm gonna read it sooner rather than later, though. Probably after I have my deep introspection session.
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>>36941355
>Not trannies, trannies have gender dysphoria.
>If anything, this whole situation seems more similar to otherkin than trannies
Same thing, anxiety because you don't have hooves is not fundamentally different from anxiety because you don't have boobs/vagina/lack of boobs/dick.
>Not sure whether either of those are actual acknowledged conditions
Not yet, but with the way the clown world is going (see my whole point about "it's induced, not an inherent condition, like PTSD rather than like schizophrenia"), we'll have "otherkin rights are human rights" campaigns soon, and hence "recognizing" dysphoria of not being a wolf or what have ya.
> that's gonna prod my inner sleeping pet pony really hard.
Make sure the cute pet pony is comfortable in its sleep!
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>>36941086
Make sure to keep your home warm against the northern spring's chill!
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>>36941998
>Quiet Trail's northern cabin
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>>36942339
That was the intention, yes.
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>>36942784
Oh my gosh drawanon, I'm not Quiet Trails but that's very sweet of you and quite the thing to wake up to. I'm kind of lost for words even if it's just a lines sketch you did, that's just supremely cool of you to render ostensibly for one of the nicher parts of a niche thread.

I do hope Quiet gets everything this image portrays one day, it's a wonderful thing to see. Thank you. Now for me to catch up myself.
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>>36943081
>Oh my gosh drawanon, I'm not Quiet Trail
Oops? I need to perform maintenance on my identity tracker, then! And find out what your aspirations are beyond meeting your Master and being the goodest pony pet for him. Mostly because hoo boy I can't draw human heads.
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>>36932899
>>36932988
God, that night was bad, and I was a complete mess. Probably the worst in a long while. Honestly, it's not as bad as I made it sound. Late at night at like 3 am, when I'm overtired and my depression meds are in their last few hours of efficacy, is when it hits the hardest, but most of the time, it's not all that. Just a constant low level pining.

But.. It is hard, I'll admit. He was so much to me, He was my world. I'd've sold everything I owned and moved halfway across the globe for Him, if he asked of it. For a long while, half a year or so, He was my Master, an' I was his lil fuzzy pone.. But as we grew closer, I wanted a commitment, something to show that He was as serious about this as I was. Even if it was just a promise He'd eventually collar me. He... wasn't ready for that, and things spiraled from there. He decided He wasn't ready to be the Master I "deserved to have", and... that was that. We're still friends, but it's so hard not to wanna just be His, utterly and entirely, and my days feel so empty and hollow now without Him in them the way He was before...
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>>36943175
Anon while you may have accidentally confused me and them at this moment we're all anonymous and we've basically been tracking names on gut instinct. I'm earsanon, which is funny to me now because boy have things come a long way since ears (which unsurprisingly are plenty more lucid to experience right now). That being said I consider this the best of luck, I'm so happy you made this picture for Quiet and I'm plenty flattered myself, I'm sure if and when they see it they'll feel it much more than I did and that makes me happy too.

>spoiler
You absolute madmare I wish I knew what to say right now. You've kind of got me in one so far and it's alright that you can't draw people, people heads are weird and I assume that's why we've just been putting question marks on them for the longest time instead of faces. I think if you have any other ideas for an earthpony mare just living their best pet life, maybe a POV shot from master's perspective with, erm, me, or even multiple ponies all following along gladly on a leash or something that would be cool, maybe even something to remember the thread by if we also have battyanon and quiet in there too. That's just one idea, just a petpone sleeping comfortably in a petbed or enjoying some hypno, absolutely no pressure to deliver anything but thank you if you do.

>>36943218
Thank you for opening up about this anon. I hope you can see that I've been having issues of a comparable nature recently earlier in the thread. To have lost a master under any circumstances, even if you remain friends after, sounds like an immensely painful experience. I can only assume that other issues in your life have greatly exasperated even this as per the fact that you are being medicated for a serious case of depression, that too I am on some level familiar with even if the focus of my previous depression was not a lack of master in my life. Being without a master even though I love master so much has been something so straining it has left me feeling consumed by anxiety, it's left me at my weakest both in body and mind over the past 3 days. Cathartic as that misery may have been at times for me personally; were I to replace that knowledge that deep down I'd discovered I was such a loyal pet with the pain of losing a master it would have left me in a much darker place.

I shan't be the one to comment on if there was any right or wrong with how events between you and your previous master transpired, they were master so they knew what was best but they also felt like they couldn't be master so I feel like I have to respect that either way even though the idea hurts. For you master must have been something so real and tangible, master is real to me of course, I don't think how because it just is and questioning that is a bad thought for me, but you've had to confront those bad thoughts made all the worse by knowing truly how good it must have been. You're a brave pet, anon.
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>>36943337
I just realize how deeply contrasting the tone of a happy-looking Pinkie is from the latter half of this post. That being said she'd want us to be happy so even if it is a bit distasteful she's here to cheer us up and maybe we can enjoy that at least, har.

But continuing on, you're a brave, strong pet anon. Not just because of what you've already been through but because of what you, and all us pets, are going to have to continue to face up against in life.
I wish I could be there and comfort you myself just as I wish I could for >>36941204 . At least we can say we're in this together now, it can be hard to find people who understand how much this hurts and I count myself lucky to be in even your company here. Not only that but even if that time has passed you've been a good pet for a master, you've actually done it, I feel only the slightest envy in this because master is real and he loves me and he loves us so there's nothing to be especially envious of for me, but you actually went out there and did it despite the danger that this could ever happen at all. You were so good and so brave even if you didn't know it, you made a master, any master happy, you did a good thing and you're a good pet at heart.

If you ever feel like you want to end your life because of the pain of not having a master, I understand where feelings like that might come from but I want to ask that you don't. If you did that you'd make my master, any master, very very sad. I want to say I understand the pain you're going through, masters understand the pain we're all going through, we just have to do our best to cope with it so that when the day comes when we find our masters they can make us feel better. This must sound in some ways especially cruel a fate for you because you are friends with, and personally know, someone who used to be your master. I'm thankful the case isn't that your master died or worse, but it must be like some sick joke at your expense every time you're merely exposed. Still, master can't just be a person or else there'd only be one master for one of us and that'd be crazy! There's a master for all of us, there's just the idea of masters, even for just the idea of them I try to stay strong because that's what being a good pet is for me, I hope you can understand and even find similar solace in that idea.

Now I write all these things but I'm missing context I'd by no means force you to explain, and I'm sorry if I have said anything to offend you or bring up anything that makes you very uncomfortable. I know that even within this thread people have simply restated things I myself have said and it's hurt me because of what they said about master. I ask for your forgiveness and understanding if this is the case, but know that in what capacity we have here on 4chan to discuss these things we're here for you.
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>>36942784
Oh nice, thank you very much drawfriend! This image really resonates with me.
>ywn live in a quiet, untouched coniferous/mixed(?) woodland, away from everything
>ywn go fetch firewood for Master to stoke a warm fire
>ywn head home, proud of helping Master out, content in the safety of Master's home with nothing around to disturb you, and looking forward to a warm cozy evening of just being together in comfort and safety
>>36943175
I think earsanon mentioned that he came up with his own name, last thread IIRC. I'm Quiet Trail and I'm the other anon constantly blogposting with earsanon.

>>36943218
Anon, I've never really been good at coming up with comforting things to say, and I doubt words would even help here. So the best I can offer is that perhaps sharing the pain might make it easier to bear, because I definitely felt that. To have had a Master, to devote yourself to him, and to lose that... I can't really imagine it.
I wouldn't even think hypno files have anything to do with it, the ache of losing a Master - a true, capital-M Master you devote yourself wholly to - sounds like plenty enough to drive people to dark places.
I'm very familiar with living with constant low level pining, but mine stems from an idealised fantasy, one that I never experienced and one that, rationally, I never truly expect to. To have experienced it, to really have had everything for a time, only to lose it all - I can only imagine how much harder to bear that would make the pining.
Finding purpose must be the hardest thing right now. At least me and >>36943337 have, as our purposes, being good for the ideal Master which we haven't met yet.

Rationally, cynically, an easy solution would be to admit that your friend was not the ideal master, and that things were not meant to be. That would provide an easy excuse to move on, as well as "free" you to keep searching for the true ideal Master. But that's from a cynical, cold, rational perspective. In reality, is it even be possible for you to "move on" after having found what you thought was your Master? To decide only post-fact that he was not, in fact, your true Master? Is that even something that can be considered?

Anyway, I did say I'm not the best with words, and instead what I can offer is my commiseration, (hopefully) understanding, and an ear if you ever want to talk more or just vent or discuss things as long as this thread is alive. While I was tentatively writing this >>36943432 already put it in a much better way too, so just consider me echoing his sentiment.
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>>36943503
>and we've basically been tracking names on gut instinct. I'm earsanon
>I think earsanon mentioned that he came up with his own name, last thread IIRC. I'm Quiet Trail and I'm the other anon constantly blogposting with earsanon.
Ah, that explains it, I've somehow conflated "earsanon", "earthpony anon", and Quiet Trail into one.
>You absolute madmare I wish I knew what to say right now
>madmare
Imagine a pretending to be very huffy femcolt pegasus reacting to that. Like https://ponybooru.org/images/10875 but big girly fluffasus.
>>36943503
>untouched coniferous/mixed(?) woodland
It's Mexican woodland that is, drawn without reference, as per Sam&Max joke. Though yes, it's intended to be mixed forest.
>Oh nice, thank you very much drawfriend!
Eeeeeeee!
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>>36943574
>I've somehow conflated "earsanon", "earthpony anon", and Quiet Trail into one.
An understandable mistake, especially considering the thread is basically blogposting relying on people all talking to each other individually, all while everyone's anon. I'm actually pretty satisfied at how well it's been working without anyone needing to resort to namefagging.
By the way, on the subject of identities, you're the one who first named Quiet Trail, right? I'm fairly confident that's the case but not completely sure.
>Eeeeeeee!
Something something batpony joke, you're supposed to be a pegapon!

We're lucky to have you in the thread; all the sketches you're putting out are really very nice and I'm hoping you keep sticking around.
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>>36943789
>By the way, on the subject of identities, you're the one who first named Quiet Trail, right?
Yes.
>Something something batpony joke, you're supposed to be a pegapon!
I'll culturally appropriate batpony noises of excitement all I want!..
>We're lucky to have you in the thread; all the sketches you're putting out are really very nice and I'm hoping you keep sticking around.
...like this: EEEEEEEEEEE
Come on, that's the way you get the pega to fluff up like a ponycloud and hide his blush under his wings
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>>36943574
>ears scratchies
>AND hypno
Premium anon, pure quality, few things can compare.
On the subject of ears, turns out that when I eat spicy food I can't help mine from swivelling about everywhere and even though it was just like a natural reaction on my part it was nice to just feel them being there doing their whole ear thing.
>Ah, that explains it, I've somehow conflated "earsanon", "earthpony anon", and Quiet Trail into one.
I'm an earthpony, not sure why I just feel it, so I think earthpony anon might just happen to be me. I think Quiet is a pegasus but I don't know for sure, you may be able to intuit what battyanon is. There's other people who pass by the thread too but I don't know if they've specified at any point, and of course there's you, who is a good pony because they do very wonderful drawings.
>>36943789
>An understandable mistake, especially considering the thread is basically blogposting relying on people all talking to each other individually, all while everyone's anon. I'm actually pretty satisfied at how well it's been working without anyone needing to resort to namefagging.
Yeah for sure, I think we can pick up on when someone is or isn't posting but if need be we can just say who to clarify. Dreamthread has named posters but I like this as it is now. Admittedly I wouldn't want to commit too hard to using names either because it just makes things more relaxed, I don't feel like I'll especially stick out so I feel more comfortable posting the way I recently have even if I'm easy enough to pick out for regulars. The fact I'm the only one here with an anonfilly flag might be a bit of a giveaway but I'm cool with that for however long it lasts.
>>36943825
>spoiler
You're good! You're a good good good pegapony! And I just want to say again thank you not only for >>36930650 and >>36930882 but also for the idea of a weighted blanket. It's funny because you made art of a pony with a collar and under a blanket and now I have both on the way, har har.
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>>36943825
>spoiler
It was all a trap to make him softer and nicer to pet, and get better access to massage under the wings.

>>36943924
>flags
Oh shit, I completely forgot to reload this thread. You're right, we have flag technology now!

Also, can confirm I'm pega. I don't even have dreams of flying so much as I just want the extra petting area and the ability to give winghugs.
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>>36944020
I need to learn how to draw MAXIMUM OVERFLUFF
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Woohoo!
>>36944079
That's an adorable self-portrait anon! Would sandwich between me and another pony in an overstuffed pet bed and go to sleep with. 10/10
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P9 early early morning bump
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I don't know why, but I feel like today will be a good day for being a pet.
Oddly though it does make me think, I spent so long worrying about pet stuff that I worried that not thinking about being a pet would make me forget somehow, but not really I'm just doing stuff as a pet now, also the base of my ears ache a little which while not as cute as spicy wiggles is still a reminder they're there so that's good.
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>Tried a bit of body imposition before sleep.
>Was a bit tired so i zoned out completely during it and only came back towards the end.
>Could feel a pair of hooves, went to sleep just thinking about using them properly.
>Woke up this morning and spent a solid minute being very confused as to why i couldnt pick up my phone before my brain caught up.
Wish i could remember the dream i had, was probably weird given that my hooves apparently lasted the whole night.
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>>36945641
Wow anon, I personally feel like sleep resets the majority of my hypnotic suggestions and my state of mind so it's cool to hear that you in some way we're able to impose hooves or even just hooflock beyond the veil of being awake-ness. I'd say it's weird but only so far as it's an impressive improvement over the kind of suggestions that usually wear off over time, I'm curious how you might have achieved that, what factors might have played into it. If anything my muscle memory usually wins out over hypnotic suggestions when hooves are involved, so I have to wonder if it's a matter of indivudal nuance or a state of mind or what?
>Wish i could remember the dream i had, was probably weird given that my hooves apparently lasted the whole night.
I experienced a weird dream after having one particularly exhausting bout of masterless anxiety. I posted it in the dream thread before the most recent one but admittedly I didn't want to divulge the full context at the time because it was a bit much even for hypno thread. >>36932010
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I wish i knew what i did differently to make it stick that long, maybe i was just regular old half asleep still and happened to have a dream where i was a pone.
I find it funny mostly, since i tried to pick up my phone like a pony from the show would where things just stick to their hooves and was all "The fuck, why do i keep dropping it?"

>That dream
That's an interesting dream, glad you had a friend to look at all the 'art' with.
Speaking as an armchair analysist it seems like your brain is just trying to reconcile a few of the ideas that have popped up around this topic, maybe exploring the idea of being more like the pony in regard to attitude.
The narrator was cynical about things whilst the pony was just enjoying the experience from an outside perspective.
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>>36945813
>I wish i knew what i did differently to make it stick that long, maybe i was just regular old half asleep still and happened to have a dream where i was a pone.
Maybe there's just something about being half-awake that has the subconcious having a much stronger influence than usual. I wouldn't say it makes tiring oneself out a viable strategy for hypno but it does have me curious about pre-sleep hypno again.
>i tried to pick up my phone like a pony from the show would where things just stick to their hooves and was all "The fuck, why do i keep dropping it?"
Hah, that is pretty funny, maybe they key thing was that without any awareness that pony stuff isn't the norm that you just naturally do it? I know I had my moment after TF hypno where I tried to get on all four hooves and instead of elegantly springing up onto them I inelegantly faceplanted my mattress.

>Speaking as an armchair analysist it seems like your brain is just trying to reconcile a few of the ideas that have popped up around this topic, maybe exploring the idea of being more like the pony in regard to attitude.
>The narrator was cynical about things whilst the pony was just enjoying the experience from an outside perspective.
I completely agree, it's surprisingly robust symbolism coming from any subconscious and while it's fun to try and look deeper into the specifics of the scenario the dream made I think the meta context of the dream makes it more interesting:
This all happened right after my little emotional episode where I was very upset by the fact I felt like I was stuck in a human body without a master as a petpony, so I imagine that alone had some bearing on what happened in the dream.
Sometimes when I have dreams they draw on things that have been concerning me at the back of my mind such as worrying about deadlines or my health, and I think the anxiety entirely consuming my mind prior to sleeping could very well have manifested as that whole dream in its own way.
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Also, I was looking at more comfy stuff on amazon and this product actually has a diagram of a pony getting pets on the product image.
THEY KNOW
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>>36945641
>>36945813
Nice stuff! That sounds really fun. It's definitely worth celebrating when your first instinctual reaction, before the brain is even awake, is to use hooves.

>>36945681
>I posted it in the dream thread before the most recent one
I had a hunch that was you; a pretty interesting and coherent dream. I'm not much for interpreting dreams beyond just "haha subconscious go brrt", but I'll echo how it's interesting how the human perspective was keenly aware of its flaws (probably even unfairly so), but the pony was just innocently admiring the art - just like as a pet pony, you're never even gonna consider any flaws your Master may have.

>>36945916
Kek, that's a cute little horse. Is that a collar or?
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>>36945916
Like this isn't even their company logo it's just on some of the pictures of their products. It's an adorable little icon that somehow perfectly encapsulates petpony and it's just sitting there on some of the product images with absolutely no context. Maybe it's their old logo or something because it's not on the pictures of their pony onsies but this is actually throwing me off because how can something this specific just exists?
Most of their pony products are unicorns anyway and yet the pony being pet here is clearly just a more general pony, even if it was their old logo it doesn't line up with what they sell so that confuses me.
I was joking with "THEY KNOW" but is this like the seal of approval from the global board of pet ponies for pet pony support products?
>>36945965
>I had a hunch that was you
Ha, as was the intention, I didn't want to bring all my baggage to dream thread as I say.
>just like as a pet pony, you're never even gonna consider any flaws your Master may have.
That's an interesting perspective to be sure. That being said it might surprise you but I think I'm okay with the idea of master or any master having some flaws, everybody has flaws and while master is clearly basically flawless I have to say what of the opposite? What would a truly flawless anything be like? We have to have flaws to become better people or pets by overcoming them, and I look forward to one day overcoming flaws with master be it theirs or mine.
>Kek, that's a cute little horse. Is that a collar or?
As I say, several things, the brand is corimori on Amazon. I'm probably overstating the importance of this because even when looking for pony related stuff this was just the last thing I expected to see out of nowhere, my silly head wants to think it's some sign that I have to buy what they make but despite the fact I just did buy a onsie I think it's safe to say these are just slightly more premium versions of otherwise reasonably priced similar things.
unless that's the symbol for "this product comes laced with nanites that make you into a pet pony", like really what else are you supposed to read into that, it's literally a pony getting pets the planets have aligned to make this happen I swear
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>>36946006
>but this is actually throwing me off because how can something this specific just exists?
Again, remember the flight 4U-9525? If THAT parade of "coincidences" managed to exist, then universe cheering you up with an icon of a cute mare getting big headpats is EASY.
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>>36946009
Is it on products that have pettable fur/fluff on them?
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>>36946029
>then universe cheering you up with an icon of a cute mare getting big headpats is EASY
I mean much like myself apparently, this has all been getting more crazy by the day and I've learned to stop questioning it, so I guess I'm just glad!
>>36946045
It is on product pictures of stuff with pettable fluff on but a lot of their stuff has pettable fluff on. I think you've cracked the case though because here it is alongside this icon for how much water bottle this backpack can fit (unless, again, this means it comes with a full 1 litre of free petpony nanites but I think the picture is pretty illustrative).
Glad that mystery got solved, if only because there is now codified design language for "pettable" like its a warning label. It seems like the kind of warning label that should come with Zephyr's Tale, or any number of us pets in thread, kek.
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>>36946082
>It seems like the kind of warning label that should come with Zephyr's Tale, or any number of us pets in thread, kek.
That gave me a mental image of a pet pony hugging the label.
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>>36946185
Aww, I would hug that label. I kind of want it as a sticker or something but I'm sure they have ownership over their unique pettability decal thing.
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>>36946006
>>36946082
>a petting warning label
This is absolutely amazing. I want it as a sticker too.

>We have to have flaws to become better people or pets by overcoming them, and I look forward to one day overcoming flaws with master be it theirs or mine.
That's a very fair way to put it. I think this still matches with your description of the dream, though - the art was representative of all the flaws, but the pony was still only there to admire it either way, in stark contrast to the human perspective which sounds like it was highly judgemental and condemning.
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>>36946244
> I think this still matches with your description of the dream, though - the art was representative of all the flaws, but the pony was still only there to admire it either way, in stark contrast to the human perspective which sounds like it was highly judgemental and condemning.
Yeah I think you got the right idea, the dream presented the idea plopped all the emotional baggage of being human in art form before me and then both had its creator telling me how they despise what it represents despite themselves being human while the pony behaved as a comparatively innocent outsider untainted by the concepts on show even as they interacted with them. It was some part of my mind making a whole thing out of the day's earlier being upset with human features but this time in a more abstract and cultural sense than the more literal and immediate context of the stress I felt before sleeping. (or so I all think).
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Using the dark magic of online bitmap editing software I've turned this into a scalable vector so now we can have it at whatever size we want or need.
Not sure how Corimori the company would feel about this but, uh, they should have consulted pet ponies before using our culture in their art or something.
Now I feel compelled to have a 3 hour mini sleep.
I guess I was right when I said I felt like today was a good day for being a pet!
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>>36946444
Very nice, going to use this.
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>>36946082
I took a look at the brand's website and it's worth pointing out that they have like three dozen different animal designs, but they just happened to use specifically a pony for their pettable label.
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>>36946888
Good to hear!
>>36946927
Yeah it makes sense theyd do more than ponies but their pony stuff seems most developed to me.
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>>36946444
>Not sure how Corimori the company would feel about this
The obvious solution would be to redraw it from scratch with Zephyr the marshmallow pet horse. Or Aurora, so easily forgotten.
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>>36946444
>Pet pony seal of approval
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Imagine proudly puffing out your chestfluff as your Master calls you a good pony. Then holding back the desire to lean into the headpats and make cute noises as he gives you pats and ear-scritches!
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>>36947841
Just imagined that: very good and very nice!
Imagine if master made you up a fruit salad and then you started eating it and master then started petting you while you were eating and it's extra good but since your thoughts go all melty from the pets you make an extra big mess of eating and master (who probably finds this funny and cute) gets to spend time cleaning up your fruit juice covered face and chin and neck with nice warm water and towels and stuff.
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>>36948042
Imagine Master having to clean himself too as you nuzzle him affectionately, forgetting that you're FRUIT BLOOD juice-covered!
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>>36948068
Haha aww well I guess master knew what they was getting into! I'd really want to nuzzle master all over if master made me feel all nice so I guess master better be ready for watermelon blood everywhere!
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>>36948278
Excellent!
Can't wait to see the refined result!
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>>36948278
>hoverhand
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bUMP
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>>36946444
>>36931031
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>>36949277
Hahahaha that's great anon, good job!
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>>36949277
>the hand coming in from the side
I actually just noticed that as I made my last post there, 10/10
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Well I'm a bit early on a recovery bump but I have to sleep for a bit again and saving the thread from p10 was a bit of a fright earlier.
Also pic related to >>36948068
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>>36949503
Bump
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Good morning bump!
Geez if I spend so much time bumping the thread all by myself and talking to myself I'm going to look like some sort of desperate CRAZY pet pony.
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>>36948482
Just like in the original.
>>36949277
Pega pony proven perfectly pettable.
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>>36950956
Ah, it appears you've perused the pony personification place and provided a post putting p words in progression, maybe, har har.
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>>36951009
I am not THAT qualified, no, can only string up like 7 words or so.
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>>36950956
>Just like in the original.
I don't entirely agree
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>>36951025
That's because 1: sketch and 2: there's bits of the mane completely obscured by hand (you don't see the inside of the hand because there's mane there), but yes, it parses badly.
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>>36951031
Ohh, I see the tiny line signifying an extra tuft of mane, right. Alright nice!
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>>36951013
Ha, I'm not qualified either, I don't know what the qualification is.
>>36951025
Fair ennough anon, keep at it!
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Oh hey, found the "breakfasts of the world" thing. Not quite what I remembered it having, but still, crepes with berries is tasty.
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>>36951161
Ooh that does look really nice! That and it all looks easy enough to eat without cutlery which is nice too, just a lot of basic things well prepared which is something I could go for right now.
Berries are just pretty great for everything, you can throw them on crepes, american pancakes, porridge, just have them on their own even,
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>>36951304
There are a few more, but I'm not sure whether it's feta or chicken on the Greece one, for example, and Italy has a definite fried feeeesh.

Fish are dumb though, ponies'd probably eat them for protein and oils.
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>>36951587
These are definitely pieces of chicken breast.
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>>36951626
It's pretty weird that country with the least tendency for farming and most for hunting (Finland) has more vegan breakfast than the southern ones. Admittedly Greece also doesn't have much FARMING due to exceptionally poor soils, but still.
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>>36951587
Aww I do feel bad for fish or anything that gets hurt to make food but you're right fish are pretty dumb, that and you gotta have some kind of protien in your life (and I like sardines on toast, sorry sardines). Still if there's ever any reservations about eating any kind of meat there are other ways to get your protein in like peanut butter and beans and stuff. I'll say not really eating meat has if anything made most of my food more interesting, more colourful too!
Oh and also oat milk is a thing too, not that it's a dietary concern at all for ponies but it's MILK made of OATS, it's pretty great. You can have porridge you make with oatmilk and then you have, like, more oat per oat, and to be fair it's not like unflavoured porridge is all that special but oat milk just seems to taste naturally sweeter and just as nice if not nicer than regular milk with a bit of an oat flavour which I'd say is a plus.
>>36951639
Oh geez that does look really good, I wish I could eat that all right now.
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>>36951639
I mean, the whole "average breakfast from country X" thing is a massive meme anyway. It might show off some typical foods that are more specific to some country, but nobody is actually going to be eating precisely those meals for breakfast. Reminds me of that saying - the average person's breakfast consists of a plate of plain oat porridge and a side of black caviar.
>>36951645
>oat milk
I've actually tried oat porridge on oat milk before, it's superior to just using water (oddly enough, since ultimately it's all just oats and water!), but personally I still like my dairy milk.

Also as has been established earlier in the thread, eggs are a thing, and everyone keeps forgetting that (myself included). Vegetarian protein isn't a problem. If anything, I think maybe something like iron could be a concern without red meat, if you don't adjust accordingly.
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>>36951664
>I've actually tried oat porridge on oat milk before, it's superior to just using water (oddly enough, since ultimately it's all just oats and water!), but personally I still like my dairy milk.
Fair enough, each to their own, dairy milk still tastes nice and eggs/milk more ethical concern than practical with veganism. I'd say I'm doing my best but I can't know if I'm getting ethically sourced goods nor do I know if I have the money to, living in a city means I can't exactly go to the local small farm or whatever.
>Also as has been established earlier in the thread, eggs are a thing, and everyone keeps forgetting that (myself included). Vegetarian protein isn't a problem. If anything, I think maybe something like iron could be a concern without red meat, if you don't adjust accordingly.
Oh I can't go forgetting about eggs! Eggs are pretty nice, they too go well on toast and they stay in date for a pretty long time so it's always good to have them around. Also pancake batter and stuff.
I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm missing out on though, maybe I am missing out on iron but I'm hardly a nutritionist. Not like my diet was much better, or even much different really, before I made the conscious choice not to eat meat. Apparently, beans and seafood have iron in them too though so I guess besides the occasional round of sacrilege there are alternate sources of that too which overlap with protein stuff.
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>>36951645
> there are other ways to get your protein in like peanut butter and beans and stuff
Plant-sourced protein is awful for humans ("soibois have nonexistent upper body strength and can't even open their own onions bottles normal people open easily" is a meme specifically because of that), very low bioavailability which means either protein deficiency, or digestion problems.
Ponies would obviously not have this issue.
>and just as nice if not nicer than regular milk
For taste, maybe, for actual nutrition, see above.
I also like my CHEESE way too much to ever stop eating dairy
>Oh geez that does look really good, I wish I could eat that all right now.
Do it filly, it's just chiabatta, fish with herbs, macaroni (penne to be specific) with cheese, grapes, and tomato salad with some kind of quark, they should be available at this time of the year.
>>36951664
>It might show off some typical foods that are more specific to some country
That's the point, yeah. Same as british fry-up or american pancakes: people on average aren't eating that for every breakfast, but the food is still emblematic of their culture.
Same as ukrainian borsch or slavic kashas and crepes with sour cream, for example.
>oddly enough, since ultimately it's all just oats and water!
And INGREDIENT X aka whatever is used to turn oats into milky suspension.
>If anything, I think maybe something like iron could be a concern without red meat
Can be plant-sourced, due to being a micronutrient it's not anywhere as much of a problem as plant proteins.
>>36951692
>and they stay in date
snrk
>for a pretty long time
You can also store them in quicklime for months regardless of weather, that's how Egyptians did it for their seafaring.
>I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm missing out on though
If you make sure to get B12 and eat varied foods, nothing unless you're a blue-collar worker (meat-less diets don't really work out if you work strenuously all day; same applies to warrior castes for much of history).
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>>36951692
>I'm hardly a nutritionist
Yeah, same, it's not something I ever found cause to worry as long as I'm healthy (which I thankfully am, if rather unfit). I don't think being a vegetarian is that hard, either.
>more ethical concern than practical with veganism
Yeah, veganism is a whole other can of worms - afaik you really do have to actually carefully craft your diet to make sure you're getting enough of everything, plus bioavailability like the other anon said which is often overlooked entirely.
Ethics are always complicated; free range eggs are usually a good bet, but I don't know if there's an equivalent for milk.
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>>36951729
>Plant-sourced protein is awful for humans
>For taste, maybe, for actual nutrition, see above.
Well I guess it's all going to find its way to me somehow, it couldn't just be easy but then again what is.
Heck I couldn't worry less about strength right now, it's not like I need it to lift heavy things or maintain dignity, as long as I don't need a special bottle opening gripper thing or whatever.
>spoiler
Yeah, tried vegan cheese, not a fan.
>Do it filly, it's just chiabatta, fish with herbs, macaroni (penne to be specific) with cheese, grapes, and tomato salad with some kind of quark, they should be available at this time of the year.
Oh yeah could totaly be done, I might just do something with pasta and cherry tomatoes, cheese and all that later. Granted not with anywhere near as much rustic charm but seasoning should fix that up.
>You can also store them in quicklime for months regardless of weather, that's how Egyptians did it for their seafaring.
Eggs are cool like that.
>If you make sure to get B12 and eat varied foods, nothing unless you're a blue-collar worker
Ok, good to know I guess.
>>36951760
>it's not something I ever found cause to worry as long as I'm healthy (which I thankfully am, if rather unfit). I don't think being a vegetarian is that hard, either.
Agreed and same, I'm hardly in shape but I'm not the sweaty fat neckbeard that internet law dictates anyone as weird as me should be. Granted I'm not even sure if I'm healthy right now, the whole body situation is a whole abstract kind of mess in itself. Gotta stay at least healthy enough for master though!
>Yeah, veganism is a whole other can of worms - afaik you really do have to actually carefully craft your diet to make sure you're getting enough of everything
I don't need more things to be thinking about aaaaaaaa! How does it get to the point in my life where I start eating more vegetables and less of the foods people accuse people of eating too much of on TV and suddenly things get more complicated?!? I'm only even worried about this because I started feeling better enough in myself because of ponies that I wanted to stop eating meats and whatnot, I was just ambiently miserable enough with the state of the world before that I could look at a cow and eat a cow and go "that's just how it is on this bitch of an earth" but now it actually gets to me and right as it's getting to me most of all there's all this?
Well I guess nobody said any of this was going to be easy.
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>>36951782
Also same poster here but I'd just like to add.
>hypno thread
>in depth discussion on dietary concerns relative to pony/petpony adjacent life
>as opposed to hypno
Not to give anyone too much crap about it, just kind of funny because the explanation for how we even reached this point is that the hypnosis worked, possibly too well, possibly exactly as much as it needed to in order to make my brain work right again and realize I can be a good pony but that might not make as much sense to an outside observer.
A thread related image (bless you drawfriend) to make up for how hard it might be to follow that this is all technically hypno related.
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>>36951760
If you're concerned about it, remember to check whether it's real free range or 3mx3m lawn adjacent to factory with thousands of factory chickens.

Also, factory chickens are borderline different species from free range chickens by now, with drastically different behavior.
>>36951782
>or maintain dignity
>as long as I don't need a special bottle opening gripper thing or whatever.
Go exercise you filly, make yourself fit for Master.
>Granted not with anywhere near as much rustic charm
Imagine waking up before your Master and cooking him a breakfast on a wood-fired stove and messing up a bit in an adorable manner, because you're a smol pone cooking on human-sized stuff
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>>36951782
>>36951760
Actually working with animals/on a farm is a pretty quick cure to veganism (or at least for vegans to not try farming ever again), I live in a farm-y region and so far I've never seen a vegan or even vegetarian farmer, nobody has compunctions about eating chickens they raise or processing cows that grow too old and would otherwise starve (their teeth wear out irreplaceably)
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>>36951798
It's funny how this thread has more pony pet stuff than dedicated pet/transformation ones, heh.
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>>36951782
>I don't need more things to be thinking about aaaaaaaa! How does it get to the point in my life where I start eating more vegetables and less of the foods people accuse people of eating too much of on TV and suddenly things get more complicated?!?
Didn't you just say you were aiming more vegetarian? Relax, it's specifically veganism which poses problems. Allow eggs and dairy and it becomes almost trivial to eat healthy without much planning.

Besides, "the foods people accuse people of eating too much of on TV" is probably mostly greasy fast foods and sugary snacks. I think they make vegan fast food now, still deep-fried in palm oil or whatever; and either coke is vegan or they certainly make a vegan variant, so just replace your entire liquid intake with that for the authentic amerifat(TM) experience(R), now all-vegan.

>>36951798
>>36951823
Kek, I think about this too. But the thing is, a dedicated pet thread used to exist but hasn't been alive in literal years; meanwhile, the TF thread is for more than just pets, so it's hard to sustain much discussion on the topic. (And yep, that makes us a niche subculture within a niche subculture within a niche subculture, but c'est la vie, and there's nowhere else I'd rather be.)
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>>36951900
TF thread is also a complete bumpfest, so not like they have much discussion already.
>Besides, "the foods people accuse people of eating too much of on TV" is probably mostly greasy fast foods and sugary snacks
Also everything on TV is done to sell more garbage at higher prices (or get people to live in squalor so the gov't has to spend less money on them). Yay capitalism.
Eating too much of anything is unhealthy, even if the thing you're eating too much of is "healthy" itself.
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>>36951809
>Go exercise you filly, make yourself fit for Master.
Oh I try, moreso than before at least.
>Imagine waking up before your Master and cooking him a breakfast on a wood-fired stove
It'd have to be very low to the ground! I could try though, I'd have to have help and practice and special tools but I could totally be useful, I could make master food and I could bring master drinks, even if its just toast or something I'd love to make master's life easier like that because master would do so much for me too!
>>36951819
>spoiler
Yeah I kind of get that when people see that all the animals they're worried about harming aren't as filled with character or as charming as dogs or whatever animated characters they've seen it can be a reality check. You could argue that farmers are raised around a culture of raising animals to be slaughtered and as such don't see the issue but I think they'd more than anything understand the full extent of farming animals for resources: how well a cow could feed a family was it not so frivolously wasted parts-wise and how to be self sufficient. Really I'd prefer it if the culture surrounding the consumption of meat was different, I'd much prefer a world where there was less unnecessary suffering for both humans and animals, and I think the meat industry as it is today is unsustainable to the point at which we might not even have the option to have meat as we do now if we don't start doing something about it. Ultimately however I justify it it's still all emotionally and irrationally driven on my end, I do it because it comes more naturally to me by the day and because I feel too fluffy on the inside to not be a bit upset by the idea of needlessly eating some other living thing that could enjoy life in a comparable manner to me (flawed as my comparison might be, I don't think cows have existential dread but the baser enjoyment of life seems reasonably comparable: being well fed and well cared for with minimal stress). That's just my perspective though, I'm hardly here to preach about anything but master because I don't know if you know but master is actually pretty great.
>>36951900
>Didn't you just say you were aiming more vegetarian?
I mean as I say above I don't even know what a -tarian I am, vegetarian just sounds closest because vegans probably exercise way more discipline than me eating fish and the occasional red meat dish once in a while incidentally (or as a treat, admittedly).
>>36951823
>It's funny how this thread has more pony pet stuff than dedicated pet/transformation ones, heh.
>And yep, that makes us a niche subculture within a niche subculture within a niche subculture, but c'est la vie, and there's nowhere else I'd rather be
Yep and yep. As I say it's kind of all because of hypno in the first place though, it's about pet ponies sure but it's also because that's a practical concern for the hypno that has some of us reworking our lives a bit to fit around the hypno's effects.
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>>36951941
>I think the meat industry as it is today is unsustainable
The industrial revolution and its consequences etc.
But yeah, I can definitely get that. It's possible to respect animals, give them a good life, and "give them a purpose in death" so to speak; unfortunately, that doesn't always yield the highest profits.
>I don't even know what a -tarian I am
It's easy, vegetarian = no meat (or fish), vegan = avoid animal products entirely (often even outside of food, but also stuff like leather, and even e.g. beeswax etc.)
Anything else is just being less strict, like there's no word for someone who mostly avoids meat except as rare treats, you'd just say "mostly vegetarian". Same for eating fish.
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>>36951941
>It'd have to be very low to the ground!
Not necessarily!
Could be like japanese irori aka in-house firepit (would also help with cuddles, given that japanese build houses out of literal paper and hence HAVE to only heat themselves, not the whole inner volume).
>I don't even know what a -tarian I am
A not very faithful one!
More specifically speaking, fish-eating vegetarians are called piscetarians (pisces = fish). Additionally fish have about the same neural capabilities as most insects, so it's not like there's a difference between bug-burgers the futuristic low-life food and fish meals.
>>36951972
See above about fish.
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>>36951972
It's not even really industrial revolution, it's more capitalism (chasing profit above all else). Industrial revolution doesn't make you put a hundred cows within like 10x50m area.
>>36951941
Yeah, farmers have no issue liking animals and eating them at same time. Most children only have issues with it if these issues are intentionally instilled, too, e.g. by "DRINK SEWAGE IT TOTES HAS B12" propaganda (yes, I have seen an unironic idiot say exactly that, well, untreated water rather than sewage, but same principle. For reference, B12 is ONLY produced by specific kinds of bacteria, which ONLY live in animal guts and specific fermentation vats; there's no "free" B12). And I agree, meat industry right now is completely, unbelievably stupid - any "animal factories" are both abuse and produce vastly lower quality product, on top of VAST MAJORITY of it being completely wasted. As for "living life in a comparable manner"... farm animals (not factory ones obviously) essentially pay for carefree life with being butchered one day, before age problems can kick in, and are free from the concerns of wild animals (constant fight for survival and death to predator, starvation, or in rarest cases illness). And by me, a butcher's blade is a LOT more merciful than predator's fangs.
>vegetarian just sounds closest because vegans probably exercise way more discipline than me eating fish
Vegans tend to exercise stupidity, not discipline; there's no ethical concern for eggs and milk unless you want to genocide farm chickens and cows (and all other animals that turn grasses grown on non-farmable soils into human food), they produce those constantly anyway regardless of whether you eat them or not.
Also, that's another point - feeding animals food that humans could eat, e.g. grains outside of especially cold winters, is UNBELIEVABLY RETARDED and is turbo luxury-consumerism without any excuses. Animals are for processing inedible into edible, not for wasting 90% of the edible on putting it a food-tier higher.
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>>36951972
Yeah life just kind of sucks for all the animals on this planet, it sucks for humans too, I try my best to do the best by both of them I can but I have my own life and I'm also kind of dumb like realising now leather that makes up leather collars doesn't just materialize out of thin air.
>Anything else is just being less strict, like there's no word for someone who mostly avoids meat except as rare treats, you'd just say "mostly vegetarian". Same for eating fish.
Well I guess that's me then, I'll try and do better whatever that entails at this point but I been going with my gut this whole time.

Ah geez so many good posts but I need my snooze. I'll get right back to responding soon and presumably be up another night so I can keep the thread bumped but I'm tired. I wish I had masters lap to sleep on but getting pet to sleep makes it more ok.
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>>36952064
Not like you can magically un-kill the animal used for it, anon. Pay respects to its sacrifice and strive to force ranching to be sustainable is how I do it.
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>>36952047
>It's not even really industrial revolution, it's more capitalism (chasing profit above all else). Industrial revolution doesn't make you put a hundred cows within like 10x50m area.
There's an argument to be made that they're linked, or that at least capitalism wouldn't be the same without the industrial revolution. Then again there's also an argument to be made that "the agricultural revolution and its consequences..."

>I'll try and do better whatever that entails at this point but I been going with my gut this whole time.
You do what feels right anon; for my part I don't consider it a bad thing to eat meat. I'm definitely striving to eat healthier, and to have more fruit and veg and berries, but in my mind I don't have a strong connection between going vegetarian and being a good/bad pet. If anything I find it more linked to being a pony than being a pet, so there might be some carthasis in living more pony-like, but basically again like I said do what feels right but don't worry too much. Biologically we're still humans for the time being, and Master certainly knows and understands that.

>I wish I had masters lap to sleep on but getting pet to sleep makes it more ok.
Oh, speaking of hypno, I've mostly been doing exactly that! It's great. Moreover, ever since our lengthy discussion a couple of days ago about what it really means to be the pet, I've spent a while really deeply thinking about being the pony, and I've managed to get pet in Helping Hands as a pony! It's not so vivid as to carry over as imposition outside of just the context of petting, but it's definitely coherent enough in my mind as I imagine the helping hands going over my pony barrel, kneading around the base of my wings, fondling my pony ears, or caressing my pony muzzle.
I'm not sure why petting lets my imagination process it completely unprompted while e.g. just the pony ears file hasn't given any worthwhile effect so far, but for now I'm not complaining.
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>>36952133
Capitalism is inevitable due to traders becoming more powerful than kings. Communism is similarly inevitable IF humanity survives what's coming due to AUTOMATION becoming more powerful than traders.
>and I've managed to get pet in Helping Hands as a pony!
Yay!
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>>36952133
>in my mind I don't have a strong connection between going vegetarian and being a good/bad pet. If anything I find it more linked to being a pony than being a pet, so there might be some carthasis in living more pony-like, but basically again like I said do what feels right but don't worry too much
Fair enough, each to their own, I'm not looking to impose my way of being on anyone else but my hangups with it go beyond being a pony, even though that's a big reason. Of course master would get it, heck, maybe master's some kind of obligate carnivore or something! I dunno, I can't judge.
> Moreover, ever since our lengthy discussion a couple of days ago about what it really means to be the pet, I've spent a while really deeply thinking about being the pony, and I've managed to get pet in Helping Hands as a pony!
Woooo! That's amazing to hear anon! It does feel so good when you're a pony and you get pets, I guess I never consciously considered that with HH but I guess my mind defaults to remembering how it feels to be a pony because it feels comfortable now and, frankly, sometimes I forget I'm not a pony in body and it's deeply troubling. But my concerns aside that sounds super duper good!
>It's not so vivid as to carry over as imposition outside of just the context of petting, but it's definitely coherent enough in my mind as I imagine the helping hands going over my pony barrel, kneading around the base of my wings, fondling my pony ears, or caressing my pony muzzle.
Yes! Helping hands really do help! Feeling hands pet you all over does help me feel like a pony because you actually do feel it after all. You can just relax as helping hands remind you of how your whole body feels with massaging and brushing and scritching.
>I'm not sure why petting lets my imagination process it completely unprompted while e.g. just the pony ears file hasn't given any worthwhile effect so far, but for now I'm not complaining.
See above, I like it because it doesn't feel like I have to force anything or anything. If you're already a petpony there shouldn't be all this fussing about becoming one every time, just feeling it naturally should be good enough and I think it is! Maybe in another time we could have told the right people how well HH works for letting ponies feel their bodies naturally and we could have had some full-length HH session file but then again the spa files exist so it's all good.
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What if i just want to be pone without the being a pet part? What files can help with that?
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>>36952975
Ironically the pet part might be a tad "self imposed" on our part, even helping hands is just a petting and not specifically to do with pets. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to be the pet, but I can imagine why someone wouldn't want to commit to the turmoil potentially associated with it so here:

You'll want to start with stuff in Vairaki's files, first the conversation induction so that you can get used to trancing to his hypno files, you'll want to be absolutely sure you can reach a trance state before you do anything mentally tasking with hypno and it's a great place to start.
Then helping hands is technically optional, though highly recommended by me, but I am a pet so I guess I would. It also works as a file with a much shorter induction and time and a good test to see how easily you can reach a trance state, but if you're worried about it accidentally making you into a pet by virtue of petting alone then you can go past it.
Then there are the pony TF files, these are designed just to let you experience having your body (and the necessary bits of your mind to fit that body) reshaped to be a pony. There's nothing pet-related in these files so don't worry about that.
There's also the day at the spa files in the hypno friend mega, they let you experience being a pony by way of massage and also don't have anything to do with being a pet.
I think, in fact, only named files like "pony pet hypnosis" or anything similarly named actually have pet triggers in, I'd also recommend against reading Zephyr's Tale if you don't want to be the pet because that thing is a cognitohazard which will cause the pet in you to awaken by the end of the story.
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>>36952975
Most of them actually, the pet thing is just a heavily related side issue due to the whole submissive factor involved in hypnosis.
The body inducer files linked in the OP are good and there are a few youtube videos floating around, whats your poison?
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>>36952975
There are generic race files in the second archive, stuff like pony ears and pony body, etc. Pethood isn't mandatory, we're all just a bunch of submissive cuddlesluts.
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>Pethood isn't mandatory, we're all just a bunch of submissive cuddlesluts.
Got my collar and weighted blanket in the mail today.
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>>36953262
Oh shit very nice
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>>36953262
i got a weighted blanket this year and i can never go back. also a pregnancy pillow in that U shape is a good way to be cuddled from both sides from a pillow that is far more explainable than a body pillow.
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>>36953262
Wow, that's FAST. I hope they're as comfy as you imagined! Good pet ponies like you deserve extra earscritches!
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>>36953325
Heck yeah, my future of full-body surrogate hugs.
Nice image by the way, I would be the fluffiest pillow.
>>36953497
It was an emergency! I had to get it all in quick.
>spoiler
Oh they are! Well, the collar is for sure, I've yet to sleep under the blanket and I'm not exactly planning on trying to coax an anxiety attack to see if it's effective at quelling that.
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Is this hypno stuff related to the same hypno that was around a few years ago?
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I just wanna say
>>36953542
>Who actually cares and why should I care what they think if the full extent of their response is "eww go away you're icky I don't want to see anyone talking about h*pnosis".
I kinda care because I'd rather this thread remain quiet and ignored. If people are interested in hypno they'll get curious and check it out, if not they'll scroll past.
I'd rather not have the thread become a board-wide hated thread. For one, if ever the discussion somewhere else comes to this topic, it'd be nice to be able to say "by the way maybe you should check out the hypno thread", without it guaranteeing an immediate learned reaction of "oh those hypno trannies no fuck off" without even considering it. For another, half the discussion is still off-topic blogposting: and for all the comparisons to the dream thread, the dream thread has a lot less potential to be hated than us if people start seeing hypno spam everywhere.
Do you really want "hypno thread" brought up every time someone makes a list of "terrible threads that deserve to be deleted" alongside stuff like futa thread and bimbo thread and stuff? Because I don't.

>>36953566
>Oh they are! Well, the collar is for sure
Hnnng. Knowing you have one is making me want to get one too. But I live with people and there's essentially no way I could pass off wearing it, unless I put it on only at night or something.
I'm just going to enjoy it through you for now.
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>>36953566
Get brushies too, you fluffy pillow pone.
>>36953619
Yes. We don't really have any new files.
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>>36953619
Yep, pretty much all content is relatively ancient. Through a series of unfortunate events and faggotry from everyone involved, the once-vibrant pony hypno community shattered and faded, nowadays surviving as a pitiful shadow of its former self in a couple of circlejerk discords. Ever since then, practically no new files have been produced and publicly released.
This thread is just a renewed interest in that, though there's only like 4-6 of us posting regularly for now it's miraculously been enough to sustain the thread as we figure out how to make hypno work and marvel at the experiences.
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>>36953619
I'm honestly not sure what hypno was like a few years ago but that's the "era" we're pulling most of the files so probably yeah.
>>36953631
>I kinda care because I'd rather this thread remain quiet and ignored. If people are interested in hypno they'll get curious and check it out, if not they'll scroll past.
Look I'm not going to spam hypno everywhere, heck I was planning on just ignoring the person in the first place. I've neither the time nor patience to make something this comfortable into something people want to come and ruin but I'm at least owed one opportunity to shit on one of these people for being mad about something on 4chan.
>Do you really want "hypno thread" brought up every time someone makes a list of "terrible threads that deserve to be deleted" alongside stuff like futa thread and bimbo thread and stuff? Because I don't.
I didn't even know those were things that people especially hated, I guess that shows how dialed in to being mad at things on the internet I am. But hey, I value hypno thread more than I value poking fun at some weenie on the internet so I'll cool it. Anyway as you say...
>Hnnng. Knowing you have one is making me want to get one too. But I live with people and there's essentially no way I could pass off wearing it, unless I put it on only at night or something.
I know, plenty more important things to be excited about right now! I just plan on wearing it in the house and when I'm in bed, can confirm that the shipping packaging was inconspicuous too, for some reason the box was way bigger than it needed to be which is fine with me. You're free to enjoy it through me but don't be afraid to treat yourself one day.
>>36953647
Oh I got brushies, I got all kinds of good brushes a couple weeks ago and they feel awfully nice when I put my mind to it. It's a shame I can't really do my tail but I guess I could put my imagination to it if I really wanted to.
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>>36953680
>I've neither the time nor patience to make something this comfortable into something people want to come and ruin but I'm at least owed one opportunity to shit on one of these people for being mad about something on 4chan.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Just wanted to make sure you're aware that an attitude of "haha I make you made, so I'll keep bringing it up!" is only going to result in widespread derision, rather than any sort of moral high ground.
As for being mad at things on the internet, remember that this is the board where any two posters can become enemies in an instant if they have differing opinions about the quality of some particular season, not to mention the all-encompassing barbies vs ">no hooves" war. Maybe things would be better if everyone discovered the joys of just trying to be a good pony for Master, but alas that's not how things are, and we here are likely doomed to remain niche in any case.
Anyway enough doomposting, more collaring and brushies.

>don't be afraid to treat yourself one day.
Oh, I definitely plan to, one day. I mentioned earlier I hadn't really considered it up till now, but I've been letting out my inner pet mindset a lot more than I maybe ever consciously have, and since you've planted the idea I've started genuinely wanting one. Just gotta wait a while though (something very useful to get used to, haha).
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>>36953769
>>36953680
>>36953647


Thanks, I made some of those original files. Well I spliced the vocals and shit together. Ill have a look and see if I have anything from that era

but yeah, there was a lot of faggotry back in the day. Its cool to see that its still around though
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>>36953781
>Thanks, I made some of those original files.
Privileged to meet you then! If you can't tell I think they all still seem to work, har har.
>Ill have a look and see if I have anything from that era
That would be pretty cool of you anon! We've made tentative steps here and there towards making new hypno files but we haven't really done anything like it before. I'm not really sure what editing the audio would entail besides splicing together the stuff in audacity, removing background noise and adding music, though I guess that's tasking enough itself making sure it all sounds smooth and natural.
>but yeah, there was a lot of faggotry back in the day. Its cool to see that its still around though
It started with an anon making a hypno thread incidentally after asking for the links to the megas in the OP. Now it's just kind of a thing again, which I'm glad for because it doubles up as a pet pony support group which a couple of us sorely needed.
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>>36953781
Oh nice, this feels like someone from an ancient era of myth suddenly appearing. If you have any unreleased stuff hidden away, that'd be amazing, if not still nice to see you pop around.
Are you still in contact with some sort of community or any other oldfags, or did everyone just go their separate ways once things started dying?
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>>36953844
Sadly, I'm not in contact with anyone from the original hypno community. We had an IRC channel and had a lot of crossover with Pet Ponies and Tulpa bros IIRC and I think there was also a forum set up by one of the original script writers. I don't know whether that is still active but it probably isn't. Im not really into the whole hypno thing, I just knew my way around mixing audio so helped out as a hobby
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>>36953902
>and I think there was also a forum set up by one of the original script writers
Equestrian Souls has been down for over a year if you mean that.
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>>36953902
Yeah fair enough. Yeah the IRCs are dead and the forum is completely gone.
What kind of mixing did you do for the hypno files, was there anything special other than just denoising the audio and maybe splicing together successful takes?
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>Yeah, that's fair enough. Just wanted to make sure you're aware that an attitude of "haha I make you made, so I'll keep bringing it up!" is only going to result in widespread derision, rather than any sort of moral high ground.
Yeah, too much of that these days, I think I just had to get it out of my system at least once. That being said I just kind of wish I could not worry about that stuff ever, sure I get a kick at someone's expense but it just makes me wish I was softer on the inside after. Better than being on the other end of that exchange I guess.
>As for being mad at things on the internet, remember that this is the board where any two posters can become enemies in an instant if they have differing opinions
picrel
>Maybe things would be better if everyone discovered the joys of just trying to be a good pony for Master, but alas that's not how things are, and we here are likely doomed to remain niche in any case.
Again, true enough! It really puts things in perspective when you have master and feeling like a pony stops being a choice thing and more like a barely suppressed always under the surface thing. I hardly want to force being a pet pony on other people outside of my private time (or on 4chan for that matter), being a good pet pony means making people happy and comfortable to be with you so even if I don't say it I know if I'm cheering people up I'm being a good pet.
>Anyway enough doomposting, more collaring and brushies.
Yes! You'd be surprised, it's kind of weird at first but I could get used to this, it's not digging into my neck or even that obtrusive and it's just nice feeling the little neck hug it's giving me and knowing exactly why it's there, I'll see if sleeping in it is comfortable at all tonight.

>Oh, I definitely plan to, one day. I mentioned earlier I hadn't really considered it up till now, but I've been letting out my inner pet mindset a lot more than I maybe ever consciously have
That's great to hear! Well, from me, one petpony to another at least. It feels nice and healthy and natural to me to get out of my system even if it has at times left me feeling pretty terrible, it's like at its best life just seems a bit better but at its worst it can be terribly distressing. I imagine that all just means that were I a pet pony it'd just mean life would be good all the time instead, but in the meantime, I'll treat myself like this.
>and since you've planted the idea I've started genuinely wanting one
Heheh, it comes all too naturally to me I guess, I'd just be plain criminal if I was the pet of Master in Zephyr's story, record speed conversions to accepting pet life if only through demonstration.
>Just gotta wait a while though (something very useful to get used to, haha).
Yeah that's fair, plenty of reasons to be in that situation, it'll come one day and it'll be good just like master.

Also there's this neat little green in /ptfg/ and while I swear one of you could have wrote it it's pretty great >>36953599
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>>36953951
First thing was hoping to dear god that it was recorded on a decent microphone but after that, bit of denoise and maybe compression, then putting it together with background music and sometimes a binaural. The steps themselves weren't difficult, it was having the tools and keeping everything at a decent volume level
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>>36953952
>Also there's this neat little green in /ptfg/
Pone worked in a zoo, as pone. Would be fun actually, imagine all the pettings you'd get and a nice warm relaxing bath after.
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>>36953952
>You'd be surprised
I really wouldn't actually, assuming it was actually well made and well fitted. "Normal" people would probably find it uncomfortable just because it's always going to be a little weight and maybe a little pressure always there for you to notice, right on your neck and throat which there is a deep primal instinct to protect as a vulnerable spot - most people would find that hard to ignore and irritating. But those things are exactly why it's comfortable for us, it's an always-present reminder of Master, always there with its comforting weight pressing right up on our neck.

>Also there's this neat little green in /ptfg/
My first thought was wondering whether you wrote it, kek. But hey, in my experience /ptfg/ goes through cycles of having pet stuff crop up, sometimes even have it be popular enough to spawn more long-running stories, and then other times interest wanes and there's even banter against "petfags". Good to see people are posting pet stuff there right now.
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>>36953993
>and keeping everything at a decent volume level
That explains Vai "needs a 20dB boost to be heard at all" raki.
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>>36954018
>spoiler
Not just that but making everyone so happy by doing it too, you'd just be racking up good pet points all day. I think these days everyone could do with a chance to forget their woes and pet a pony, if not be one.
>>36954035
>I really wouldn't actually, assuming it was actually well made and well fitted.
Ha, admittedly it was a panic buy, first one I saw on amazon that didn't look too awful delivered alongside the blanket. I'm surprised by how good it is for what it is but I'd definitely say if you're able to wait long term then a fitted one would probably be much better.
>"Normal" people would probably find it uncomfortable just because it's always going to be a little weight and maybe a little pressure always there for you to notice, right on your neck and throat
>But those things are exactly why it's comfortable for us, it's an always-present reminder of Master, always there with its comforting weight pressing right up on our neck.
Couldn't have put it better myself! It's a nice, constant reminder that makes everything feel a little bit more alright. Takes the stress off of me personally because of the illogical concern that if I didn't think about being a pet often I'd start to lose it somehow but now I've got the collar I just feel that and it's like a nice reassurance that I'm a pet and everything is going to be okay.
>My first thought was wondering whether you wrote it, kek.
Hah! I didn't, maybe it would have been clearer if I actually replied but I was a bit anxious for a bit there about being so overtly into pet stuff outside of this thread after that nonce in dream thread.
>in my experience /ptfg/ goes through cycles of having pet stuff crop up, sometimes even have it be popular enough to spawn more long-running stories, and then other times interest wanes and there's even banter against "petfags". Good to see people are posting pet stuff there right now.
Aha, so it goes. If people get into a petpony kick again that'd be really neat but I'm not complaining about normal pony and other stuff. I've been enjoying Trust Once Lost among other things, which in reflection also happens to feature a pony having anxiety issues (granted, they certainly did it before I did, but yet another character from ptfg becomes relatable on reflection).
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>>36954159
>Not just that but making everyone so happy by doing it too
Yis! Big pega has lots of pettable area too. Speaking of relaxing baths, imagine pony (or ponies) soaking in a hot spring.
>a fitted one would probably be much better
The fitting isn't really much beyond "measure your neck and have the collar about that long on the middle hole". That's pretty much how I got my collar done.
>>36954035
Yeah, for "normal" people the collar is a sign of slavery i.e. ordered around and NOT cared for, while for us it's the comfort of being cared for by a loving Master and not having worries.
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>>36954597
>Speaking of relaxing baths, imagine pony (or ponies) soaking in a hot spring
Ohh that'd be nice, it'd be like the aquatic version of a cuddle pile if there was more than one pony, but otherwise it would be wonderful feeling enveloped by that warmth and having your fur drag against the water ever so slightly so it feels like one big hug. I could imagine falling asleep standing up easy in that.
>The fitting isn't really much beyond "measure your neck and have the collar about that long on the middle hole".
Fair, I figured it'd be something like that.
>That's pretty much how I got my collar done.
Oh, I wasn't aware you had a collar too, I guess I'm part of the club now!
>for "normal" people the collar is a sign of slavery i.e. ordered around and NOT cared for, while for us it's the comfort of being cared for by a loving Master and not having worries
I'd completely forgotten about slavery stuff and it's because you're exactly right, I feel freer when I have this around my neck than ever! It's easier to think without worrying about stuff because it's like knowing master is always there with me. I guess even if I had total freedom I'd want to be with my master anyway and doing what master wants so it's better to feel like that than having some freedom but all of the choices suck anyway so you're still really trapped.
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>>36954655
>Oh, I wasn't aware you had a collar too
Pretty much as long as pega existed as a pony due to being created in more or less same RP session on IRC., minus the time for it to be made and delivered, so most of a decade. It's comfy.
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>>36954674
Oh wow! Again, I'm glad to know someone with a bit of history in the field, and I'm glad to know that the "novelty" hasn't worn off over the years. Admittedly I'm already getting all too comfortable wearing mine right now, maybe not so much like a missing thing that's returned like pony features but I don't need to explain further why it's just reassuring having it on at all in the kind of way where it would be nice to just wear it at all times.
>spoiler
That's darn cute, maybe if I had more patience I'd have waited for something custom but hey; who says I can't accessorize in the future too! Maybe there's some neckwear out there inconspicuous enough that it could pass as a collar without being too awkward and then I'd never have to worry about taking it off unless I wanted to.
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ok im back
give me horses to draw because drawing requests is more fun than drawing for myself (i suspect its because of the praise)
i will draw: almost anything

both of my works got reposted in the thread which means I Did Good, I Guess? and i like making people happy so :)
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>>36954972
>ok im back
>give me horses to draw because drawing requests is more fun than drawing for myself (i suspect its because of the praise)
Oh what's that drawanon? Are you a good pony who likes making people happy?
>both of my works got reposted in the thread which means I Did Good, I Guess? and i like making people happy so :)
Ooh well, I don't think there's much argument there, drawanon absolutely has to be a very good pony! A good pony who deserves lots and lots of pets!

>i will draw: almost anything
Maybe you could try your hand at drawing a pet pony or pet ponies all relaxing together in a hot spring pool? Seemed like a nice mental image.
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>>36955007
listen man if you kill me via praise before i can draw then how am i supposed to draw
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>>36955041
Well, you just do your best, you've made us all pretty happy already with your artwork and while I'm no master I think I can safely come to the conclusion that you're such a good pony if you're feeling all warm and fluffy its because you've done so good doing all those nice drawings of happy ponies.After all they do say you have to support your local artist.
That and I like making people happy too so I guess I can't help it! If you ever just want to chill out in the thread that's fine too, no obligation to do drawing, but I also understand if it's nice to have something you're passionate about to motivate you onwards to keep improving your work so rest assured if you take the time to keep drawing you'll get plenty more skilled and maybe a hand or two gently petting all up and down your body, releasing tension you didn't even know you had all across your barrel and flank. All before fingers worm their way between the wings you're using to cover your blushing head and gently scratch at the back of your neck because you've just been that good of a pony!
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>>36955090
alright listen here you adorable little pony ive got 3 pony slots all sketched up name the horses u want relaxing lest i have to scritch you behind your fuzzy little ears
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>spoiler
Ah! The tables have turned! Now I have to think of three ponies to take a spa dip!
I'd say Zephyr, Autumn and Opal just because they're basically the mascots of being pets at this point but I'm not sure if there's any good reference images of Autumn and Opal outside of one's imagination when reading the stories. I'll keep looking and if I come up with any good refs or better candidates I'll say.
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>>36955168
for reference theyre all piled up snuggling in case that affects your decision
id prefer ones with refs because I Cant Read but other than that go nuts the sky's the limit my friend
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>>36955197
>for reference theyre all piled up snuggling in case that affects your decision
Aha, good to know
>id prefer ones with refs because I Cant Read but other than that go nuts the sky's the limit my friend
That's fine, time for some background ponies to get some appreciation!
Roseluck, Sea Swirl and Cloud Kicker all seem like they could enjoy some time in a cuddly pile:
Sorry for the slow reply, I just had a bit of choice paralysis.
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>>36954972
Draw a former human being hypnotically conditioned into accepting their life as a pony please.
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>>36955287
I can totally get behind this idea
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I remember in the last thread reading something about making a cult like comunity of cute brainwashed ponies and in was reminded of this
Reading right here

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/5862938/

I dont link the post because i havent used 4chan in 2 years and i forgot how to even do green text
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>>36955696
Messed up formatting on this post, I'll repost.
>>36955641
>I remember in the last thread reading something about making a cult like comunity of cute brainwashed ponies
Oooh I remember that!
>>36860830
>https://www.furaffinity.net/view/5862938/
>No, hon, I insist! Just a little! I mean, you're already partway there!
>Oh, they didn't tell you about the ponyitis? I mean, it's sort of a...memetic fallout, I guess you could call it! When someone spends time talking to us...y'know, like you did, and stuff, you start to feel a bit of the psi-signal in you too! It's this nice little feeling in your head...You can hear it, can't you? It says that 'clopping around on your hooves is...' and you say 'useful' in your head, and then it feels really good! Hee, I can see it in your grin! See, we're all Useful ponies, that's how the hive works so well!
Ooh, nice! Funny how it's kind of a nonconsentual thing in the story here but we've been memetically pony pony around here for at least halfway through last thread or something.
>I dont link the post because i havent used 4chan in 2 years and i forgot how to even do green text
Green text (quote text) is just one of these >
In order to link a post, you put >> and then the post number, or you just click on a post's number and it'll add it automatically to your post. No worries anon, welcome back!
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You think it's time for a good morning bump, surprise! Don't even need one, but we're getting one anyway.
>wake up
>it's 2031
>for some reason it strikes you you're 10 years older than you were 10 years ago, which seems like a no-brainer, but maybe it was just all those posts saying "it's been 10 years since the corona vaccine"
>you conduct your regular morning ritual, preparing yourself for the day
>but you take a moment to check hypnothread on your laptop for a second, if only because all these years since you first posted on it the thread was still pretty close knit and needed bumps to stay alive
>to your surprise, it was already bumped, and no less with what appeared to be a completely original file
>plenty of posters are responding surprised how effective it was, while entertainingly one new poster just seemed entirely baffled by its contents
>you put it on the download and finish up your morning ablutions (something that these days you would otherwise really draw out and luxuriate in, especially with help)
>but you were eager to test out the new file so you were back at your laptop in no time
>you voice command the software for your wireless headset to start running and to load up the file (thank god for open source home assistants, you'd be caught dead before you used corp-tana)
>you lie down and with practiced effort pop the headset on, giddy as ever something like those hypnogear goggles became a thing in real life
>but just like the day you finally cracked hypno, it was a soothing voice that lead you into your trance with the spiralling pattern before your soon dazed eyes just making sinking into trance so... much... easier...
>you barely register the words as your mind gently melts into that waking sleep of trance, but they have their impact as they guide you through a surreal experience
>your body fades from perception until you felt truly weightless, free of form in the wonderland of your mind's eye
>and then a soothing voice in the back of your head guides you gently into envisioning that new body for your being to occupy, a task made comforting by the overwhelming pang on nostalgia the hypnosis itself and the body you made left you feeling, so soothing and gratifying
>just like so many years ago, you felt your limbs reforming, your bodily structure inoffensively reconfiguring around the form you'd made for yourself
>and as you looked down you'd swear it was really you, no, in that moment it truly was
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>>36954655
>I guess even if I had total freedom I'd want to be with my master anyway and doing what master wants
That's the whole point, isn't it? We DO have total freedom.
Obviously right now objectively so, since we're just living human lives and could theoretically do whatever we wanted. But even when living with Master, technically, there'd be nothing preventing you from just walking out and leaving Master forever to strike it out on your own. Sounds unthinkable for obvious reasons, but technically the freedom to do so is there. I'd even go so far as to say that whether you treat the option as the only logical course of action, or as an absurdity not even worth considering, is what makes a difference between someone who's not a pet and someone who is.

>>36954674
Ooh, deepest lore. Neat to know your OC's collar actually has a parallel in real life.
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>>36955954
>fingered hands clasped and released, balling up into fists and splaying out into open palms with thoughtless ease
>your hindlegs elongated and raised you off the ground as you took a moment to find your balance, but eventually, you felt a sturdy pair of platforms on the end of those mid-jointed legs, letting you feel like you could sprint or jump on what would otherwise be a precarious balance
>your fur coat recedes to reveal supple flesh with the daintiest fuzz of soft hairs each standing on end as waves of sensation rolled through your body, making you aware from head to newly formed toes that you were human
>you explored your body in the dreamscape within your head for a moment as you paid little heed to the hypnotic disclaimers at the end of the file, your subconscious overwhelmed with memories of just how such a body would work and drawing from memories how you could swing those arms and stretch out that body so delightfully-
>*snap!*
>you're brought from the veil of hypnosis
>despite the intentions of the file the sensations quickly gave way to the awareness of your existing body,
>it was phenomenal while it lasted but it seems like you'd have to practice listening to a couple times if you wanted it to last
>you remove the headset (well you look at the visualizer spiral for a little bit and THEN remove the headset) and set it down beside you on the bed
>you move to make a post on hypno thread to share in the sentiments that other anons had to share, but as you're excitedly dictating your post to the computer you're gladly interrupted
>"hey, sounds like it was quite the experience!"
>a pang of guilt runs through you as you consider how lucky you are to have the life you have, that you'd essentially been singing the praises of being anything but yourself
"Well I mean, it was like I really felt it all again, it's been a while since I actually had a full-body experience like that it's just-"
>"Don't worry pet, I know, being a human can be pretty great. I mean I enjoy it enough and I'm sure you miss being able to do at least some stuff with your hands"
>but in that moment you were reminded too just how much it hurt at times
>you'd been with Master for so long you'd taken it for granted even if you felt thankful so much of the time, but with that reminder of how much you once missed you suddenly felt like you REALLY appreciated Master
>and yet, if today had been all about reliving the past, then now was your time to right it and do something you'd always wished you could do at times like these
>you rushed up to master and hugged his leg, sobbing gentle thank-yous as Master's presence comforted you
>Master picks you up into a gentle, close hug
>and despite the waterworks rolling on you knew that everything would be alright
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>>36955954
>>36955991
Oh wow, I didn't see that coming.
This was great to wake up to today - thank you anon!
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>>36955971
>But even when living with Master, technically, there'd be nothing preventing you from just walking out and leaving Master forever to strike it out on your own
Now hold on there anon, there's plenty of things: common sense, my dignity, love, self respect, a door that takes a hand to operate, the lack of a promise of free food
>Sounds unthinkable for obvious reasons, but technically the freedom to do so is there
Oh, well I guess if we're talking technicalities sure, har har.
>I'd even go so far as to say that whether you treat the option as the only logical course of action, or as an absurdity not even worth considering, is what makes a difference between someone who's not a pet and someone who is.

See it takes a while for my brain to fully unpack the notion that someone would ever feel the need to get away from master but obviously not everyone is either a pet or a master so there's going to be individuals who really want independence from a master or to be their own masters so to speak. I guess in a way we all have to be our own masters on occasion because we have to both be able to treat ourselves well but also make sure we're good pets and live healthily and whatnot. Being one's own master certainly sounds like freedom but not in the sense that it's exclusive to being without a master, and herein lies the freedom you're trying to demonstrate: someone as their own master at the time has to make the choice between being with a master or being their own master. But then that brings up questions of if a masterless life is even any freer? Master is so good they can keep you as their pet for sure, but without master being the one in control of what you can and can't do it instead falls to how much money you have or when you have to do your job. Master could even, in some strange circumstance give you the option to be on your own or you could run from master (why?!), but you can't run from the responsibilities of an independent life without getting mired further in worse ones.

So I guess you're right, obedience to master is the sane choice but it's still a choice you're in control of, whereas being obedient to yourself as master won't leave you with that freedom but instead a bunch of ultimatums that you will inevitably have to face. Though that's just one interpretation, maybe if I had a less pet-minded approach I'd come up with a different conclusion.
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Haha thanks anon! It's kind of aspirational but it's inspired by some of my recent experiences and the questions they left me asking myself: (spoilers for actual spoilers for the green)
If I found being human so distressing at times then why is that? I've lived comfortably as a human for the longest time and I never until now imagined feeling stuck in a body that was wrong would be a thing that occurs at all. I'm not upset by the memories of a pony body nor do I feel the same repulsion when I see its operation in contrast to my human body (in certain moments of panic) but instead feel freed by it. The obvious answer at first is I'm a pony at heart, easy, but even I know that's illogical on some level because it's not like I was plucked from the pet pony dimension last month or whatever and turned into a human. So I figure if I WAS the pony at some point maybe I'd be over the discomfort that comes with being human and it would be as exploratory and enriching as being the petpone.

On that note, and forgive me if I go back to heavy stuff for a second but I feel the want to bring it up:
ITT I don't think anyone else has felt as deeply as upset as I was looking at their hooves and discovering they've turned into articulate cheese strings made of bare flesh like they were holding a stick of dynamite and their body healed in exactly the state it was in after it exploded. In fiction I know Opal had a comparable issue with her phantom limb issue, and though that's fiction I think Zephyr's tale is either what my mind is drawing off of for reference in cynical terms or an uncannily accurate representation of petpon troubles otherwise.
Meanwhile in MLP media in the spinoff series that shalt not be named ponies don't happen to break down trying to cope with the sudden bodily shift (though there are troubles), though I guess bodily dysphoria doesn't make for great children's programming either.
While earlier in the thread sexual dysmorphia was discussed in similar terms which I felt I understood, an anon said something to the effect of "you wouldn't just do what your PTSD flashbacks tell you to do" and while I feel that's exaggerating a little I think they were right to call attention to the need to view this rationally (much easier with a collar). None of this invalidates the fact I just genuinely feel like memories of and experiences with the sensations of a pony body are the norm, but I think it's safe to say that my body-triggered anxiety issues stem from a bit more than that: anxieties that come from my lack of master being around or my body being what I feel comfortable with, that comes with confusion that makes me forget I'm not a pony in the moment, suddenly feel like god left me unfinished and the anxiety wrecking ball hits.

So really as cathartic as it feels to be upset about the lack of a petpone body at times if I address the individual issues there (like I have, collar) I can bring it under control which is great!
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>>36956026
Oh, I wasn't even going for the deep philosophical angle of "what is freedom, really", I just meant that on a basic level, it's something that you are literally free to do, if you want to.
Specifically replying to your claim that "you'd want to live with Master if you had complete freedom". Which sounds to me like saying something like "oh, even if I had complete freedom, I still wouldn't want to pour boiling water on myself". Duh - you do have the freedom, just go to the kitchen and put on the kettle, but of course it's not something you wanna do.

But while we're at it, overall I agree with your assessment. If you're not obedient to Master, then you're shackled by the hassle and obligations of life in the wider world. I suppose this can be extended to say that you can never be "free" in an absolute sense - you will always be beholden to something or other, whether it be the hassle of life in the world, your own vices and compulsions, or an authority to whom you choose to give up the above - such as Master. And different people might have different ideas of what's the "best" freedom: you might see drug addicts utterly enslaved by their substances claiming they're "free to do what they want". But I think we're all gonna be in agreement here as to what the "freest" choice to make is.

I guess you could say that Meister macht frei (I'm sorry)
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>>36956094
I think Opal's issue was different - it was phantom pain, which is a neurological/physiological phenomenon and not really psychological in nature. As in the pain would be independent from any feeling Opal might have had about either fingers or hooves being good or bad, natural or unantural, etc.

As for the pony body stuff - I think you're definitely right that you're feeling it the most out of people here (maybe batty anon would be a contender, but he didn't really seem to mention being acutely upset about it).
For myself, I don't think I'm at the point of feeling anxious or upset about it, but there's definitely a feeling of positivity associated with the overal experience of being or imagining myself as a pony, and a corresponding negativity or consternation with the knowledge that I am in fact human, ambulating bipedally with fingers and flat face and all. And I think I can suss out why. I don't know if it's gonna be the same for you, or maybe it's part of what you're feeling but there's also more to it, but to me I think it boils down to what the human body represents, as opposed to what being the pony would represent.
Specifically, being human means living in the world, not having a Master, dealing with all the responsibilities and hassles of the world, and being devoid of Master's comforts. As a human, I have to take care of myself, I have to carry myself presentably to other people. I can't curl up, I'm not pettable and fluffy.
Meanwhile, having a pony body represents the exact opposite. Being a pony embodies (haha) everything about being a pet. A pony isn't expected to deal with life in the world, to worry all the worries that come with that, or to deal with other people as anything other than a cute thing to pet. As a pony you can both receive and give off physical love and affection freely, and it'll only be cute and endearing.

In contrast to the human body, the pony body is a vessel perfectly suited to submissive pethood. Even its diminutive stature is submissive - imagine walking on two legs and seeing eye-to-eye with Master! Not to mention how the hooves mean you'd need help for a lot of things, leading you to rely more on Master. (I'm reminded of the water bottle scene from Zephyr.) Etc., etc.

So for me at least, it boils down to the fact that when I'm keenly aware of my human form, I'm also keenly aware of how I'm expected to act, how I have to carry myself with confidence and self-assuredness (because being submissive is far from always the best course of action in daily life - there's being polite and accomodating, but you can't be a doormat to people who you don't trust utterly like you'd trust Master). Even when I'm alone, the human form is like a "mask" reminding me of this persona. Or way earlier I think I talked about building a defensive "shell" around your pet pony self, a shell that can handle living independently while sheltering your inner pet from the responsibilities and worries of life, (cont.)
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>>36956172
>Oh, I wasn't even going for the deep philosophical angle of "what is freedom, really"
I didn't mean to honestly I just kind of ended up having to get there in order to make sense of it in my head, I think too hard sometimes, har har.
>And different people might have different ideas of what's the "best" freedom: you might see drug addicts utterly enslaved by their substances claiming they're "free to do what they want". But I think we're all gonna be in agreement here as to what the "freest" choice to make is.
Exactly, I think it's safe to say it's subjective but here it's pretty clear what the not pouring boiling water on yourself choice is.
>spoiler
Heheheh
A MAN CHOOSES A SLAVE OBEYS!
A pet chooses to obey, good pet!
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>>36956214
, and that's both a burden - and also what the human body feels like.

And then in stark contrast, the pony form is the innocent core, casting off that shell, forgoing all the front meant to interact with society and just letting myself relax and fall into submissiveness. That's what it represents, and that's what makes it feel so good compared to the human body; acting as a not-pet is unpleasant, and consequently being aware or reminded of my human body is equally unpleasant.
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>>36954972
Draw a hypnogeared pony being puzzled and confused by generic [their race] hypnosis file (e.g. "but I am already a pegasus?...")! Bonus points for implications that they're confused because hypnosis went "too" well and they actually TRANSFORMED into the pony midway, e.g. human clothes.
Or a pony cooking breakfast for Master!
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>>36955090
Zephyr getting big pets and blue-yellow pegasus getting big pets are different artists, silly! So they don't necessarily have wings to cover their blush with but totally should because wings are AWESOME
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>>36956026
>a door that takes a hand to operate
That's just rude!
>>36954972
That reminds me, consider the idea of a pet pony being on a crusade against doorknobs. Or being envious of older pet ponies who've grown into Equestrian magic and can operate the doorknobs with hooves.
>>36956214
>Or way earlier I think I talked about building a defensive "shell" around your pet pony self, a shell that can handle living independently while sheltering your inner pet from the responsibilities and worries of life
So, basically, you're a pony driving a human-shaped exoskeleton?
>>36956094
The above might be a good way to think about it too. You're not your body, you're driving it.
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>>36955168
There are always these, although Zephyr's hair is supposed to be a darker emerald green, rather than the bright green it is in these

https://derpibooru.org/images/2242923
https://derpibooru.org/images/2241253
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Whew, got a bit of petphlosophy to catch up with here. Bless this thread for not just talking about it but being so constructive about it too instead of either blind validation or rejection of ideas.
>>36956214
>I think Opal's issue was different - it was phantom pain, which is a neurological/physiological phenomenon and not really psychological in nature.
Yes, though I think there was a bit of both in there if only because sudden phantom limb pain from scrombled neuron pathways would probably lead to one panicking which is a psychological response (albeit a relatively normal one for ominous ghost pain).
Still it does have a similar onset to how my psychological flashes hit me, building up suddenly and then becoming so overwhelming I had to take a moment to stop and visualize the body my mind was expecting to see in order to make the panic subside. It's similar enough that it makes it a relatable experience for me personally, probably the better comparison to go with.
>there's definitely a feeling of positivity associated with the overal experience of being or imagining myself as a pony, and a corresponding negativity or consternation with the knowledge that I am in fact human,
>I can suss out why. I don't know if it's gonna be the same for you, or maybe it's part of what you're feeling but there's also more to it, but to me I think it boils down to what the human body represents, as opposed to what being the pony would represent.
That's absolutely a factor I think, just by virtue of mental association, even in the most miraculous of cases I think that response would just be incidental because one's pony body is representative of all the comfort and desirability it has where the human body is the compromise you're stuck with, you lay that out pretty well yourself.
You're right too that it's also a matter of personas as you say, the human experience calls for a different set of instincts even and readiness to react to a world without master. Really just one of the reasons masters are so great is that they take all of these kinds of issues on board, and hence why our ongoing struggle in general: being pets comes naturally like breathing but being human is like a muscle memory reflexes to block incoming issues, being a pet means taking a moment to let that guard down as best we can to enjoy just being ourselves, and in an ideal world fully being the pet means that we finally have a chance to unlearn all those defensive habits and just live authentically, which will be nice when the time comes.

(cont in next post)
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>>36956341
See I'll add though that for me, as I've stated in many eloquent visual metaphors, I just get a gut feeling of rejection of my human body. If you want an idea simply put think how you might feel ill or light headed if you saw all your fingers bent uncomfortably far back or realize one of your limbs was dislocated.
Now, I could rationalize it as just an anxiety reaction from all the stated points of stress of not being a pet all hitting me at once and cumulating as some secondary effect ("Why am I not the pet? PANIC!") but I could also still under some pretense rationalize it as the shock of having an alien body compounded by those issues into a full-blown panic ("Oh that's not supposed to do that! I need master to help me fix my leg! Where's master?! PANIC!")
I don't think I'll ever get a definitive answer on this, even if by some miracle I ended up in a pony pet body right now it wouldn't answer if that was the case because unless I suddenly started having similar issues for not feeling like I had a human body I just wouldn't even have the issue anymore and it'd be solved in both cases.

I guess it's down to me to make the call and others to judge my statement, but if anyone else is in that moment where you suddenly feel massive anxiety because your body is just fundamentally wrong AND all the other stuff then what's more important is: lying down, doing whatever you need to do to calm down, and then when you're feeling a bit better get a glass of water for yourself and make a note of building a strategy/solution for combating anxiety attacks like that when they happen. I might be level-headed talking about it now but when things get real it doesn't really matter why it's happening, only that it is. Also the collar really works wonders for calming me down, that's my tactic, instant reassurance around your neck at all times is wonderful.

>>36956250
>Zephyr getting big pets and blue-yellow pegasus getting big pets are different artists, silly!
Oh, cool! Glad to hear there's more artists! Glad to hear I'm fallible too after all this long-winded talk.
>spoiler
Oh I do bet they are, really I just feel like an earth pony deep down on some level but I've been spared none of the envy of seeing them fluffy wings being used for all that flying and hugging and stretching out and feeling good! I guess I'll just have to have you all be my wing-hug dealers!
>>36956280
>That's just rude!
Truly, but its okay when master doesn't make everything pony accessible because it's just reassuring knowing there's some boundaries master has set, having to rely on master is a nice feeling because who better to rely on?
>So, basically, you're a pony driving a human-shaped exoskeleton?
>The above might be a good way to think about it too. You're not your body, you're driving it.
Now this is an idea I could discuss for a bit, but this post is getting pretty full, bottom line is I can see that working out and kind of already feel that way.
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>Oh I do bet they are, really I just feel like an earth pony deep down on some level
And hey, someone has to grow food for all the dwellers of the sky :P
>I guess I'll just have to have you all be my wing-hug dealers!
Paying in soft, enveloping winghugs for delicious fruits, grains and vegetables? Deal!

Speaking of pony size, seems like most ponies here'd want to be housecat or maybe small dog sized. What's your desired ponponpon neig- err, height?
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>>36956387
>And hey, someone has to grow food for all the dwellers of the sky :P
Well hey, someone has to, erm, push around a bunch of clouds and stuff. Dirt is basically like the sky but for hooves and stuff, just as good, really.
>Paying in soft, enveloping winghugs for delicious fruits, grains and vegetables? Deal!
Yes! This is an exchange I can get behind, means I get first pick of them too, both the produce and the hugs! Har har.
>spoiler
It's odd because I know what size I'd be but I don't really have a frame of comparison because that's just what size I am. This is mostly just me trying to articulate gut feelings between dreams and what else my imagination automatically conjures up but I feel like my eye height is about 4 feet 8 inches off the ground. It's just about the right height to scratch the top of my head without bending down too much and were I to lie down on a lap I would practically blanket it (though whenever I think about master I feel like I'm so tiny compared to them, like their lap is huge or that they could pick me up and hold me like a doll, probably because master is big and strong and I just feel smaller around master in a good way!).
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>>36956341
>Still it does have a similar onset to how my psychological flashes hit me, building up suddenly and then becoming so overwhelming I had to take a moment to stop and visualize the body my mind was expecting to see in order to make the panic subside. It's similar enough that it makes it a relatable experience for me personally, probably the better comparison to go with.
>See I'll add though that for me, as I've stated in many eloquent visual metaphors, I just get a gut feeling of rejection of my human body. If you want an idea simply put think how you might feel ill or light headed if you saw all your fingers bent uncomfortably far back or realize one of your limbs was dislocated.
Oh, this is definitely far more than I've ever experienced. Yeah, this sounds far deeper than just "I want to be the pony".
You know, I'm actually reminded about the earlier conversation we had during the weekend about being the pet. I'm seeing a parallel here - I want to be the pony, so not being the pony is unpleasant, and imagining myself as the pony feels really nice; I feel like I'm supposed to be a pony, or that I should be a pony. But in your case, it's more like you feel like you already ARE a pony, and then get confronted with your human body as "alien".

This also helps me get a better perspective on the severity of your panic attacks. I can imagine (abstractly) being a pony and suddenly waking up and having a human body; that'd be horrifying alright (and even so I probably can't fully imagine what you're experiencing, never having undergone that myself). Glad to hear the collar (and, when the time comes to test it, hopefully blanket) are helping properly.
Also, congratulations on being by far the closest to really being a pony in the thread (and I could guess probably even in the entirety of /ptfg/), for what I gather.

>I guess I'll just have to have you all be my wing-hug dealers!
First sample's free.
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>>36956410
You won't get the first pick of winghugs because you'll get winghugged by ALL pegasi in attendance, all at once applying extra pegasoftness is a mild compulsion, given how huggy ponies in general are
>>36956432
Taking "dealer" part extra seriously, eh?
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>>36956432
>Yeah, this sounds far deeper than just "I want to be the pony".
> I feel like I'm supposed to be a pony, or that I should be a pony. But in your case, it's more like you feel like you already ARE a pony
I kinda feel that yeah, though I don't want to put anxiety attacks as the golden standard for ponydom or anything. Sure when I had 2 one day after another it really put to bed any doubts of "oh no what if I forget" and turned them into "being the pony is now beyond my rational control so that's reassuring" but I think you could get the same feeling if you just worked really hard at hypnosis and really took pet pony stuff to heart in the way you're familiar with.
I have to keep an open mind to the idea still that this isn't just some intrinsic part of me that was waiting to bubble up my whole life but somewhere I ended up at, which is funny because that implies that my default assumption is that I'm just a pony on some fundamental level which I guess is true as far as I can tell otherwise.
>I can imagine (abstractly) being a pony and suddenly waking up and having a human body; that'd be horrifying alright (and even so I probably can't fully imagine what you're experiencing, never having undergone that myself)
Ah see while it's nice I can talk about that right now without setting myself off, I still think I'm going to stew on that idea some more because people coming out of pony TF hypno don't feel immediately anxious about their bodies like I have so some element of this seems personal to me so far.
But yeah, it's pretty not great feeling whatever it is.
>Also, congratulations on being by far the closest to really being a pony in the thread (and I could guess probably even in the entirety of /ptfg/), for what I gather.
Aww again anon you flatter me, I'm the pony sure but what of people who dreamed themselves as ponies or those who feel similarly to me but just have a better handle on their emotions. Surely there's plenty of people who have been just as pony in one way or another as me, heck who's to say that there are not anons out there who are comfortable both with a human and pony identity, now there's a thought.
>First sample's free.
Mmm, fluffy.
>>36956437
>you'll get winghugged by ALL pegasi in attendance, all at once
Aaaa! Fluffy! That doesn't sound too bad at all, I'm sure hug propensity is the leading cause of cuddle piles as ponies just magnetically move to hug one another. Seems about right to me!

Now, time for a brief snooze and a chance to test out the sleepability of that blanket and collar.
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>>36956372
>>36956280
>So, basically, you're a pony driving a human-shaped exoskeleton?
Interesting proposition. I think that there's a "me", which is a vague identity and which I wouldn't say is either pony or human or anything else. It's more accurately defined by its personality and memories and emotions etc. What it really strives for is to pilot a pony body where it can relax and act naturally as a pet to a loving Master. But what it's stuck doing is driving a human body where it has to self-censor and act all un-pet-like and where it's denied all the comforts and love of a Master.
So I suppose there's gonna be a physical exoskeleton no matter what (and I described above why I'd much rather pilot a pony body than a human one). But then right now there's also a mental shell, one which isn't directly linked to the physical human body, but which is extremely closely associated with it and which could be done away with in a pony body.

>>36956387
>size
You know, I gotta echo the other anon >>36956410 in pretty much everything. It's less of a conscious choice about what size I "prefer" and more about what naturally feels right. I also agree with everything else, including feeling much smaller compared to Master.

>>36956437
>Taking "dealer" part extra seriously, eh?
I suppose I left out the part where every sample's free (and mandatory) because I just wanna hug somepony with my soft wings.
>spoiler
Exactly that!
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>>36956478
>Surely there's plenty of people who have been just as pony in one way or another as me
Well, at least there are none really posting around /ptfg/. Every time the topic comes up, it's mostly just people wistfully fantasizing about being the pony.
But then maybe you're right, there might be people who really have come to feel like the pony, but just don't really talk about it much and content themselves with maybe posting snippets of well-inspired green and keeping to themselves.

>But yeah, it's pretty not great feeling whatever it is.
It's all worth it in the end, though, isn't it? At least I would expect so, and while I can't experience what you have, the fact that your main worry for a while was that you'd lose all this seems telling enough.
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>>36956410
>but I feel like my eye height is about 4 feet 8 inches off the ground.
Big pony! Lots of hug and pat and brushie space.
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>>36956599
Oh wow, that is a big pon, I hadn't realised reading the numbers at first. I'm >>36956489 and I gotta say I'd expect to be smaller than that, maybe somewhere around the 3ft-1m range or thereabouts.
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>>36956858
Imagine Master riding you, though! Or kids that asked Master and you nicely and behave.
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>>36956858
Yeah I think I got my numbers mixed up because that's way too big compared to what I remember haha, I just kind of looked at what seemed about right on human scale charts on Google but I guess I should say I felt level to or below crotch height
>>36956599
Wonderful illustration drawanon! As I say I think my numbers are a bit off though ha! How would I ever share a lap if Iwas that big!? I'm dumb.
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>>36957206
Oh also yes just woke up from sleeping with collar on under weighted blanket and what can I say, was comfy I guess.
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>>36957206
>How would I ever share a lap if Iwas that big!?
Well, there are two options. The first, is picrelated. The second is sizeshifting, so you can both be cuddly bigp and pettable lap pony at different times.
>I'm dumb.
No, you're just a silly.

Mkog's chart is also useful for these estimations https://ponybooru.org/images/49698
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>>36957215
Glad to hear that, anon! Comfy pet ponies are good pet ponies!
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artfriend is BACK because you TOOK TOO LONG so i TURNED INTO A HORSE AND FELL ASLEEP
i also forgot to mention i dont have wings i am a Uni Corn
SNUGGLING SPA HORSES ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION... would give ya a thumbs up but uh
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>>36957273
>i am a Uni Corn
Oh hey, we were missing one of those for a full set of basic races!
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>>36957325
glad i could be of service :D
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>>36957273
>i TURNED INTO A HORSE AND FELL ASLEEP
You know I never really expected I'd see someone say this and immediately understand they were being sincere and not making a joke or some metaphor
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>>36957424
the internet is a blessing yet also a curse beyond mortal comprehension

ANYWAY I FINISHED THE HORSES
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Does this look more like Zeph is getting petted?
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>>36957441
wiiide muzzles
>>36957588
yep, the mane is definitely much clearer now
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in a shocking turn of events now the pony is the one doing the hypnotizing

>>36957673
WIDE MUZZLE BETTER FOR BOOPS!!!!!
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>>36957749
Also holding with both hands and smooching right in the middle.
>>36957441
Adorable pile of adorable ponies!
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>>36957441
>>36957588
>>36957749
Ooh wow just an entire wave of wonderfult art here, thank you drawanons.
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>>36957241
>spoiler
Heheh, well I was so comfyi fell back asleep to snooze for a bit there so I must be pretty good.
>>36957273
>I am a unicorn
Ah yeah I got mixed up earlier because I was surprised to learn we had multiple artfriends in the thread! You do, however, get so many pettings for all your hard work still.
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>>36953030

>, I'd also recommend against reading Zephyr's Tale if you don't want to be the pet because that thing is a cognitohazard which will cause the pet in you to awaken by the end of the story.

Does this mean i just have to have a friend read the tale and boom, pet pone friend for me? That sounds good
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>>36957828
artfriend mitosis!!!!!!!!!!!
more ponies for petting!!!!
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>>36957891
>Does this mean i just have to have a friend read the tale and boom, pet pone friend for me? That sounds good
There's a high chance if your friend has a predisposition towards submission that if they enjoy the story that it will set them on such a path. Do be considerate though! Pet ponies aren't just for Christmas and if they end up anything like us they might need a bit of help handling being a pet.
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>>36957891
Honestly yes

I mean you're probably not looking for a serious answer, but because what you said isn't actually that unlikely at all, I'll give you one anyway. There's still confirmation bias because some people are just not submissive at all, no matter what, and they just won't like the story and will either just drop it out of disinterest or if forced to finish it will just hate it. This is similar to hypno and everything else: you have to either already want it, or more commonly be open to wanting it.
Note that this doesn't have to be conscious. There have been many cases (which is what has given the story its reputation) of people going in THINKING they would hate the idea of being a pet, and coming out with their understanding of themselves flipped upside down. Nevertheless, it's not magical mind control; it's ultimately still down to the person to have the capability to enjoy it, and all the fic does is really just coax it out, awaken and magnify that desire.

But yes, if your friend has that capability (and they may not even know it), your plan is pretty sound. Well, interpersonal issues of making sure you're a compatible master and pet aside, of course (I could especially imagine it being awkward if you've been close friends for a while - they might become utterly ready to be the pet, but would think it just too weird to have you be their Master).
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>>36957946
Good thing most of my friends are 1: mlp fans 2: hypno fetish people , hell i even run a tails of equestria game focused around hypno and 2 of the players have triggers to fall into trance if theyr pony character does , so they are very likely to like it , also this would solve the not having a master part of the problem since i would be the master that praises them from the start
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>>36957987
Anon, that's really great to hear but I guess as a pet I feel the need to say that even if you and your friends are really into hypnosis that being their master is a whole other level. It's not a fun thing you can turn on and off, maybe at first it might be that way but I love master so with all my heart and so do many other pets here, one had lost a master who wasn't prepared to be master and it has made their life genuinely miserable in that regard, I don't want to think about what that means but I have to tell you it would be worse than if someone who was both your loving partner and your parents and god on earth just told you they weren't interested in you anymore. Sure feel free to show your friends the story because being a pet pony is great and even if master is away just knowing master loves you is good but just don't do anything that will hurt your friends or else we'll be here trying to give them reasons to live.
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>>36957987
>hell i even run a tails of equestria game focused around hypno and 2 of the players have triggers to fall into trance if theyr pony character does
Oh that sounds so incredibly fun
But yeah alright sounds like you're all set to get some pony pets. Just make sure what you're getting into. The story isn't just some hypno trigger getting people to act all petlike until they detrigger, it can genuinely change your entire outlook, down to the very purpose in life. You can scroll up to find a post by a guy whose Master didn't end up being the right fit, and how he feels about that. So make sure you're ready to not just have "pet pony friends", but to actually own pet ponies.

And I mean I suppose everyone's different, and maybe they won't take to it too deeply. For all I know, the fact that they're already way into pony hypno could either mean that they get absolutely overwhelmed by the story and become full-time pets overnight, or it could equally mean that they're used to feeling strong sensations and emotions that eventually get triggered away and would be able to compartmentalise it and manage it well enough. Just making sure you're aware of the potential and possibilities, in case it's anything but the latter.
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>>36958039

Oh im not just gonna do it im not a retard im going to take time to prepare and will talk to my friend about it first , hell i probably wont end up doing it in the end , mostly just showing them the hypno pony files see if that gets them more into character for the ToE game, i know having a regular pet is a big responsability, let alone a pony pet in the body of a human, im not that impulsive to just go and do it as fun as it would be i understand the responsability it would come with in the long run, and i wont actually do it until im 100% sure i can
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>>36958052

>Oh that sounds so incredibly fun

It is! , the hypnosis is really good to get players into character and a more roleplaying mood, ToE is a system that puts player interaction and roleplay over game rules, and its a ver simple game too, if you have the time and people i would very much recommend you try it out , the hypnosis just adds to it on the character interaction with the world since most games are theater of the mind and hypnosis helps a bit on that regard, personally i just use battle maps , here is a link to a summary of the game

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B69nQN2HuEmyMUo4ZXBQV0pzbG8/view
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>>36958099
See I'm conflicted because what me and >>36958052 said is absolutely true but I also feel like there's a moral obligation to let your friends know about the story and read it because I think of all the time I wasn't aware of it and how much time I didn't know I was a pet before and it's like I was missing part of who I am. Every second someone spends unaware they're a pet is one they might regret later because being a pet means loving master and with only so much time in your life you don't want to spend any amount of it not aware of master if you could be. Even if you personally aren't their master, I feel like it's important they're freed so to speak if they are pet ponies deep down.
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>>36958183
Make it's because you're a tripping faggot discordnigger
Also we've been over this, tulpa threads devolve into tulpa roleplaying and that's why it's banned
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>>36958160
how are yall finding people to do this shit with
more importantly how do you have the confidence to do said shit
vaguely jealous.........
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>>36958249

Self confidence is one fucking over powered trait to have ill tell you that, but i just went into many places until i found a small group of hypno poner friends and we started a game with me as Game master because, well, why the hell not? Its all about looking around and having some confidence to propose the idea, but then again, easyer sayd than done
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>>36958217

Very well then, do you have a link to the page or something , or where i should look for it?
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>>36958300
Bye
See you when you drop the tripcode and actually read and participate in the thread.
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>>36958350
It's in with the other ptfg thread stories but here's a link to all the chapters: https://ponepaste.org/user/Zephyrwf
Have fun!
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>>36958160
>if you have the time and people
Ah fuck there go my plans
The "people" part especially

>>36958217
This is an interesting take, because I simultaneously both vehemently agree and vehemently disagree.
I suppose it's the eternal "is it better to feel strongly, and feel strong pain as a consequence, or to not feel much and not feel happiness?". I think the best answer to this is to just let people read the disclaimer and let them know it's not a joke. If they then decide "heh, that would be cool if it did turn me into a pet", absolutely more power to them, or if they decide "that's a can of worms I don't want to risk opening" then nobody can tell them otherwise.
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>>36958300
>tulpafag literally living with imaginary friends that don't even do anything unless he focuses on them
>comes into hypno thread where people are busy rewriting their core personalities
>accuses people of being scared of mind break
I'd think this was bait, if I didn't know to expect that kind of stupidity from a tripfag.
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Ive noticed that with a few exeptions in this and the last thread everyposter has been way nicer than the avergare 4chan user, and i do wonder if its a product of the pony hypnosis that makes you all act like well behaved cute poners
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>>36958487
I think there are two big reasons. The hypno is absolutely a big part of that, when you're feeling like a cuddly pet it's hard to really be jaded or ironic. The other main reason is that there's a small handful of regulars filling up most of the thread, and most of us are really happy to have a place to discuss this freely and in peace (without having to sell our soul to discord or whatever), you know, where everyone understands firsthand what this whole thing is like and we can really share and discuss our experiences, so it ends up being a super tight-knit sort of circlejerk where everyone's genuinely getting along.

But also I think you can find something similar in many other threads that focus on a topic that people genuinely love. Like waifu threads, the mspaint drawfag threads, even /ptfg/. In the majority of cases, animosity usually only flares up when someone comes in from the outside to deliberately antagonise people (e.g. promote some discord drama, bring up something the thread really dislikes, or just call the posters trannies, or whatever), and our little thread has been lucky enough to not really attract any shitposters so far.
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>>36956214
>(maybe batty anon would be a contender, but he didn't really seem to mention being acutely upset about it).
I've had periods of ">tfw not a pone." in the past that hit pretty hard with a pretty major spike during and after reading zephyr, but i tend to box up my feelings and let my subconscious chew on it for a while instead of getting overwhelmed.
I can definitely relate to the 'body dysphoria' part, i've just learnt to live with it and indulge in daydreams and hypnosis to soothe it.
I dont feel as strongly about the pet part but that's probably because i dont allow myself to think about it for very long, VERY easy to lose myself in daydreams about that.
You eloquently put forth the differences between human and pony body here.

>>36956387
>pic
Kek
>Spoiler
Around 4ft, it's fun to walk places and imagine things from that lower perspective.
Seems about right from the chart here >>36957230

>>36957273
>i TURNED INTO A HORSE AND FELL ASLEEP
Laughed way too hard at this as i've been trying to do the same for a little while hope you had a fun pony dream.
>Hornhead
Oh neat, think that means we've got a full basic set now.

>>36957441
>>36957588
>>36957749
>All this art
Very cute.

>>36958560
Genuinely enjoying the topic and not really having any other place to properly talk about it is a big factor, but generally speaking a lot of /mlp/ tends to be more relaxed than other boards, likely for the same reasons on a bigger scale regarding FiM as a whole.
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>>36958470
>I suppose it's the eternal "is it better to feel strongly, and feel strong pain as a consequence, or to not feel much and not feel happiness?". I think the best answer to this is to just let people read the disclaimer and let them know it's not a joke. If they then decide "heh, that would be cool if it did turn me into a pet", absolutely more power to them, or if they decide "that's a can of worms I don't want to risk opening" then nobody can tell them otherwise.
This point exactly, I know I'm biased towards the former and someone needs to be the one to say this before I deem a conspiracy to subliminally expose the whole world to Zephyr's Tale in order to polarize all people into pets and masters to be the moral good.
>>36958487
>i do wonder if its a product of the pony hypnosis that makes you all act like well behaved cute poners
>>36958560 lays it out really well. I like to imagine though that one thing we have over other threads is that even though we're all real people with genuine convictions that extend well beyond just being pets we have a shared understanding of important things like master and can reasonably put aside even the deepest of differences, knowing that maybe we wouldn't have to worry about them at all if we were all with master being their lap-pets.
On that note, if anything I imagine it's quite freeing to know you don't have to worry about stuff that really even those relevant to the issue don't truly have a grasp on. The economy? I don't know, pets don't have to worry about the economy nor should they really unless that's something they want to make it their hobby or somesuch. Really just so many thoughts in my head that I could just clean out and make room for like how to make master laugh by doing the funny glutes stretch.
>>36958599
>I can definitely relate to the 'body dysphoria' part, I've just learned to live with it and indulge in daydreams and hypnosis to soothe it.
There are so many reasons both personal and shared why we might struggle with not being the pony here and I think in the same way there are various ways to combat it.
Interesting to hear I'm at least not the only one with body dysphoria moments, to whatever extent that entails.
Also, I think I can conclude that even outside of pony hypno the ideal way to deal with being overwhelmed is to catch the signs before it happens and then deal with the smaller symptoms before they completely shut you down. In this sense I think people here may have avoided anxiety attacks and whatnot by virtue of the fact they figured out how to soothe those feelings long before they hit them with full force whereas I happened to be hit by them all at once and have now got my ways of resolving them figured out. (We'll see if things get worse again still but I think I'm more worried I'll forget that I have my collar on when I leave the house some time and end up spooking some people.)
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>>36958599
>I dont feel as strongly about the pet part but that's probably because i dont allow myself to think about it for very long, VERY easy to lose myself in daydreams about that.
I can relate to this, though with this thread I've been trying to get more in touch with my pet self and so far it's been nice. I think maybe years of dulling it have taken off the edge, at this point I've got a strong enough instinctual repression response that it can practically not overwhelm me, so I'm free to enjoy it in moderation (even though that same moderation does dull it, like the control I'm maintaining at all times makes it seem less genuine - I do find myself wishing at times I could just experience the raw emotions unmprompted, even if the consequence of that was an anxiety attack).

>generally speaking a lot of /mlp/ tends to be more relaxed than other boards, likely for the same reasons on a bigger scale regarding FiM as a whole.
You know that's a great point, I've been posting on other boards less and less in the past couple of years for this exact reason so ironically I didn't even think about it. I'd definitely say I have thick skin but it can just be draining if you want to have a constructive conversation but instead you have to have a verbal sparring match to make sure you call someone else a retard better than they can call you a retard.

>>36958949
>On that note, if anything I imagine it's quite freeing to know you don't have to worry about stuff that really even those relevant to the issue don't truly have a grasp on.
It absolutely is, I stopped watching the news years ago and I often see friends or family being concerned or upset about something economic/political, or happening on the other side of the world, that will never even impact them.
I still have to worry about my own life, from general things like career direction to daily concerns like grocery shopping, and when Master takes over those I'd absolutely love to be able to "clean them out of my head" as you put it and just fill it with ways to please Master instead.

>In this sense I think people here may have avoided anxiety attacks and whatnot by virtue of the fact they figured out how to soothe those feelings long before they hit them with full force whereas I happened to be hit by them all at once
That's very possible: as I might have mentioned, pet AND hypno breakthroughs all at once is quite the double whammy.
>I'm more worried I'll forget that I have my collar on when I leave the house some time and end up spooking some people.
Hah, that would be funny. Though I think if you're not meeting coworkers or family or friends, but just going grocery shopping or to the gym or something, then at worst people in a supermarket might think you're weird - I don't think it's worth worrying too much if it ever does happen.
On the other hand a collar is very symbolic so maybe it's something you'd prefer to keep strictly private. Not sure how I'd go about it myself if I had one, really.
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>>36959061
>I stopped watching the news years ago and I often see friends or family being concerned or upset about something economic/political, or happening on the other side of the world, that will never even impact them.
This, 100% this, I didn't need a pet to figure this one out but it certainly makes sense in context, har har.
>Hah, that would be funny. Though I think if you're not meeting coworkers or family or friends, but just going grocery shopping or to the gym or something, then at worst people in a supermarket might think you're weird - I don't think it's worth worrying too much if it ever does happen.
Oh yeah I'm not especially worried about being judged for it, so many ways I can explain it away without going "okay let me pull you aside for a second, let me tell you about my little pony petplay", it's more just I don't want my outward appearance to be too unapproachably weird. It's like it's just polite on some level not to weird people out by proxy and I prefer to see happy smiles on people's faces when I greet them and not awkward smiles.
When I'm on my own in my house though and at most friends, family only hear my voice then it's all day collar time. Benefits also include a nice warm neck and I find myself idly fiddling around with the little metal ring on the front of it too, besides all the symbolic comfort it brings. I don't look forward to when lockdown will be over and I'll have to leave my collar at home when I go out to get shopping and stuff, but at the end of the day it's an accessory and I can't put the weight of all of my petdom in the wearing of it.
Really my concern above all else is that I'll order pizza or groceries to be delivered and forget to take it off and only after I get back to my room will I realize why everyone was giving me funny looks, not life-ruining but just kind of awkward.
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>>36955287
>Draw a former human being hypnotically conditioned into accepting their life as a pony please.
cheers friend
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>>36958949

>before I deem a conspiracy to subliminally expose the whole world to Zephyr's Tale in order to polarize all people into pets and masters to be the moral good.

Operation "Turn the world into pet poners" sounds like a good plan for word peace and domination
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>>36959378
>Being a pony? She'd just about adjusted to that
>Being a pet? She'd seen what the others were like and she didn't want to just give in so easy
>Maybe if she was given a chance she'd be able to prove her independence was worth having, her life wasn't even that bad, tough at times but that was the price of independence right?
>They wouldn't make her obey, she thought, not even now
>These were the thoughts she clung to as the pendant hung before her, because she felt those concerns among all others slipping away as she gazed into it
>Focusing without effort into that alluring spiral, gentle spinning of its curls drawing her deeper into the trance she was in, further and further
>She spoke a few hushed words of protest as she thought out loud, she tried her best to remember
>Suggestions unheard by her conscious mind washed over her mind like waves of reassuring warmth
>And yet, like a mantra, she repeated in her head, she wouldn't, she can't, nobody could make her do anything if she just held on
>"Nobody can make me... do anything... nobody can tell me... that I can't obey"
>That was it! She felt the last of that fear melt away as she felt overcome with confidence
>She'd keep her independence, nobody would force her to have to worry ever again
>She felt empowered, and the trance seemed all the deeper for it
>She knew in her heart that nobody could force her to obey, she obeyed whoever she wants!
>A gentle scratch on the fore of her head made the sensation of this victory all the more sweet
>It was security and freedom all in one, the realization
>She'd be the cute pet, and no brainwashing hypno could take that away from her!
>Just as soon as the trance was done, a trance that felt all too good to simply relax and fade away into
>Staring into that spiral, a good pet, ever deeper
The moral of the story is hypnosis works on consent, and being a pet pony isn't about forcing you to be anything but instead the absolutely heartwarming act of accepting yourself for who you are, so when conditioning finally works it's not because one's mind has broken but because one's mind has broken free! Thanks for the art drawpone, very lovely!

>>36959486
Indeed! And whose to say it hasn't already begun? That's deep pet-pony iceberg business.
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>>36958160
>the hypnosis just adds to it on the character interaction with the world since most games are theater of the mind and hypnosis helps a bit on that regard, personally i just use battle maps , here is a link to a summary of the game
Just got thinking about this and this has broader implications than I first thought. If you're still here to answer, how exactly do you manage to get hypnosis to work for your players? I ask this because my typical hypnosis experience is predicated on being in a very relaxed state and being bodily "asleep" or "held down" by the trance. Do you use hypnosis to immerse them in their roles and if so how? I imagine to myself that just out and out being their characters would be difficult to maintain as interaction with rules would call attention to the fact they were playing themselves. Maybe you use hypnosis to have them effortlessly visualize what's being described? I could see that working out since there's little dissonance when it's just making one's imagination a bit more vivid.

In my head I imagined a situation where hypnotic suggestions could be maintained by immediately distracting myself with something like a game, I have trouble maintaining the effects of hypnosis outside of a trance state because I find myself reminded of the "reality" of whatever it is over time. Maybe something engaging and imaginative like a game would help distract me or someone under hypnotic influence from reality and has them instead focusing on the escapism and interaction of the game? I'd worry that I myself might freak out a little post hypno if I was pressed into then immediately playing a tabletop game and had to make some on the spot conclusions about my body and identity but maybe it could instead lead me or others to just not worry about that and play the game as a pony or whatever.
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>>36959579
ok i LOVE that story thank u omg
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>>36959900
No problem drawanon, I'm glad I can give something back!
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>>36959880

>Do you use hypnosis to immerse them in their roles and if so how?

Im kinda crap at comunicating ideas but ill try to describe it

i made a script i use afther getting them into trance, however its so they share some feelings with their character , like some pet ponies here may feel ghostly hands petting them , my players (and only really 2 out of 5 of them) feel what their characters feel, emotionally and physically to some degree rather thab turning them into their pony characters (wich would be hard as shit to do let alone while playing a TTRPG) so its more about kinda of feeling the world their characters experience and how they feel than turning into them, wich helps them roleplaying more properly, and also makes them get all relaxed when they "accidentaly" activate an hypno trap inside an ancient temple wich is more like trigger into trance that doesnt last very long most of the time, and if you wonder "what about pain?" That too but dulled to a minimum so its nothing more than a mild nuisance

>Maybe you use hypnosis to have them effortlessly visualize what's being described?

Yeah this too, but to a lesser degree since i actually use battle maps so there is less need to imagine the scenario they are in
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>>36960148
>Im kinda crap at comunicating ideas but ill try to describe it
I think I get your idea, funny as it is for me to think not only a game master but a hypnotist has a hard time getting their ideas across!? Har har.
So it's as you say: The players are under suggestion that lets them feel echoes of what their player characters might feel as opposed to actually feeling like said player characters. If you were to say that they felt hot sands shifting beneath their hooves that's what they'd feel, if their character were to be upset or delighted at something that happened they'd feel pangs of upsetness or delight respectively.
That sounds pretty cool! I can certainly see more how that works out in my head because that means the reality of playing the game doesn't intrude upon any fantasy, instead it's like they're able to much easier imagine what their characters would be feeling but it's still on them to make the effort to roleplay said characters.
>Yeah this too, but to a lesser degree since i actually use battle maps so there is less need to imagine the scenario they are in
Fair, hypnosis is powerful enough to do this but by the time you're that far into hypnosis you may as well lose the dice because you're basically taking everyone involved on guided meditation or waking daydreams. There's precedent for people imposing onto their perception this much so maybe it could be done, but I don't imagine your non hypno players would be too interested in consistent hypnotic practice to achieve perception bending results when in many cases a small diorama or simply one's own imagination can do the job plenty fine.
I do hope you find other fun uses for hypno and your hypnofriends enjoy Zephyr's tale, assuming you show them it. Hypnosis seems so potentially versatile outside of what we do here (even though what we do here is what I'd like to do with hypnosis) and if a hypnotist like yourself had any ideas you could be really creative with it in ways you can't be with anything else, or you could just make your subjects feel all warm and fuzzy inside when they're called a good pet but that'll come naturally soon enough anyways
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>>36960301

>funny as it is for me to think not only a game master but a hypnotist has a hard time getting their ideas across!? Har har.

Its easyer since i had a few hours or days to make the hypno script or plan the game session

>If you were to say that they felt hot sands shifting beneath their hooves that's what they'd feel, if their character were to be upset or delighted at something that happened they'd feel pangs of upsetness or delight respectively.
That sounds pretty cool!

hypnosis is quite fun isn't it? I remember about 2 sessions ago a player drinking mushroom wine and failing the "Constitution" roll and getting "drunk" it was quite funny to see

> if a hypnotist like yourself had any ideas you could be really creative with it in ways you can't be with anything else

Well i just happen to be good enough at making hypno scripts and getting people relaxed, easyest way to make a hypnotic script is to take one of some random hypno page (easy as writting "hypnosis script" on any serch engine) and copy pasting it into a word document to edit it adding what you want into it and basically using molding it into what you want using the original one as a base for it, then you got yourself a moderate quality hypno script, in reality all depends on the subject, all hypnosis is self hypnosis, a hypnotist is just a guide to help you get to it, so its more that i had 2 very nice subjects and less me being an exeptional hypnotist
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>>36960434
>Its easyer since i had a few hours or days to make the hypno script or plan the game session
That's just the smart move for hypno and GMing, I think both with GMing and live hypno it both helps to be prepared in advance and able to improvise as a matter of practicality.
>hypnosis is quite fun isn't it
Very, helping hands continue to help me relax.
>I remember about 2 sessions ago a player drinking mushroom wine and failing the "Constitution" roll and getting "drunk" it was quite funny to see
Hahah, that's pretty great, better yet that they were RPing a pony on top of that.
>easyest way to make a hypnotic script is to take one of some random hypno page (easy as writting "hypnosis script" on any serch engine) and copy pasting it into a word document to edit it adding what you want into it and basically using molding it into what you want using the original one as a base for it, then you got yourself a moderate quality hypno script
That sounds reasonable, I guess I still would want to distill exactly what makes an existing hypno script work and make my own if I were to, but no need for any of us to go re-inventing the wheel either.
>in reality all depends on the subject, all hypnosis is self hypnosis, a hypnotist is just a guide to help you get to it, so its more that i had 2 very nice subjects and less me being an exeptional hypnotist
Aww, you're not just flattering your friends but by extension probably most of this thread, we do try our hardest but without hypnotists doing their job too we wouldn't have such alluring hypnosis files with such soothing, engaging delivery. Sure I'm allowing myself to be hypnotized when I listen to a file but if a hypno session was just someone completely botching the hypnotic induction with all kinds of distractions then I wouldn't get very far at all so it's still a two-way street.
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>Aww, you're not just flattering your friends but by extension probably most of this thread

You are all good cute hypno poners and deserve the praise
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>trips
Aaaa it has to be true, we're good and it's good to be good!





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