I started watching MLP:FiM for the first time and decided to rate each episode as I go.If the rating is 0:>plot is not only boring but also very predictableIf the rating is 1:>plot is predictable but the character interactions are done wellor>unpredictable story but not particularly interestingIf the rating is 2:>good story and good use of the charactersIf the rating is 3:>great story and great use of the charactershow's my taste so far?what awaits in the upcoming episodes and seasons, without spoilers?
>>35690418i think reddit com/r/mlp is more you're speed pally
>>35690418I strongly disagree with your ratings
>>35690447>>35690454I'm new to this board and to MLP in general but I'm not a redditor, also I don't believe for a second that you faggots don't do tier lists, top 10s, rankings, and whatever. If you don't do that then what the fuck do you even talk about?>>35690465One thing I'll say is that I'm not a waifufag. I watch the show for the entire cast as a whole and the stories that they are a part ofI'm guessing you're a waifufag who loves a certain character and will like all the episodes that focus on that character, even if they're objectively boring as fuck (example: Dragonshy)
>>35690418>Look Before You Sleep>0Just jump to season 6 already and stay in one of the 80 glimmer threads circlejerking about how great she is.
>>35690478>If you don't do that then what the fuck do you even talk about?
>>35690478>spacingstop doing that, youre outing yourself as a complete newfag. Lurk for about a month LEAST before posting, LEARN the rules of the board. For top 10s go to fucking watchmojo com
>>35690486I don't get it but that's the sleepover episode where Rarity and Applejack hated each other right?The ending was so fucking weak. >alright we'll stop fighting and stay friends because...>uh>because otherwise the show falls apartSeriously they were set up to hate each other too well, to the point where I asked "why are these two even friends in the first place?" and then the answer was "ah right it's the show"Bad writing.>>35690494Fuckoffretard
>>35690514>I dont have good arguments therefore Ill just insultyup my initial suggestion was correct, btfo
>>35690494>Lurk for about a monthGatekeeping giga autist alert. This place isn't nearly as exclusive as you think it is. Any retard can figure out the culture in about 5 minutes.
>>35690527Good arguments against what, my opinions on the episodes? There's one in the post you just replied to.Good arguments about spacing? Lmao fuck off retard>>35690529It's /v/-tier schizoland but with a more specific topic, did I get that right
Aight bros going in with Stare Master
i fucked with dragonshy, it showed character development for fluttershy
>>35690529>they have no idea we are there>we fit right in>>35690538>It's /v/-tier schizoland but with a more specific topic, did I get that rightJust leave
>>35690418>rated my all time favorite episode a 0 Damn
>>35690465>>35690560Dont worry, he will LOVE season 6+ and will keep trashing the board with glimmer garbage
>>35690603Which one? And what makes it your favorite?
>>35690556So far it's pretty good
>>35690418>Dragonshy>0>Swarm of the Century, Winter Wrap Up, Fall Weather Friends>1>>>/r/eddonychandaily is down the hall and to the left, buddy.
>>35690713I could tell exactly what was going to happen in Dragonshy like 10 seconds into the episode, I really hope it's just a couple of autists who like it otherwise there's no hope for this place
>>35690789>I could tell what was going to happen in a kids show>I really hope its just couple of autists who like this kids show otherwise there is no hope for this place for people who like this kids show Leave you fucking tourist and dont come back.
>>35690789Oh? but you couldn't tell what was going to happen in griffon the brush-off? Look before you sleep didn't use the character's personality to drive the story?Your rating system is numerical but your ratings aren't mutually exclusive. You could totally have an episode rated as 0,3.
>>35690804How about you leave instead? This board, website, and entire planet actually, could use one less waifutard.>>35690816>you couldn't tell what was going to happen in griffon the brush-off? Didnt expect it to be Dash who set up the pranks, no. >Look before you sleep didn't use the character's personality to drive the story?see>>35690514Nah I like my ratings to be like this, I don't want to make the ratings more granular
>>35690831>This board, website, and entire planet actually could use one less waifutardAre you actually this retarded? Or are you just pretending? Do you even know what this site is for?
Pretty good episode>>35690867Not an argument
>>35690418yeah pony sucked so hard it sparked an entire phenomenonYou have shit taste. Go back. Faggot
>>35690895>pony sucked so hardWhen did I say that?Holy shit the average IQ of this place
>>35690529t. Guy who shits on the best years of the showFuck off and fuck you
>>35690898HAHAHAHA, HOLY SHIT MY SIDESJust go to reddit com and assimilate with your gray mass
>>35690898>average across s1 reviews is low>didn't say pony suckedJust go. You're retarded
>>35690915lmao I really can't have a discussion on a show on a board ABOUT the show, you special snowflakes all get triggered immediately>>356909241 is not a bad mark, only 0 is bad. On top of that I have not finished the season at all. You're having an emotional reaction that's clouding your reason, or in other words you got triggered and are sperging out
>last thread about a single autist's super special opinion was ignored>this one isn'tWhatever timezone this is, you're a bunch of retards.
>>35690940I'm liking the show so far, your reaction would make sense if I was shitting on it. You're overreacting and being emotional fuck off>>35690935The thread is "about a single autist's opinion" only if nobody else posts their opinions.
>>35690418Maybe your opinion will change once you watch the Best Night Ever...
>>35690963My opinion on what will change?
>>35690935Yeah most likely, but seeing how adamant this retard is, I wouldnt be surprised if he bumped his shit thread over and over. I might aswell have some fun
>>35690418>ticket master is 2How? Have you never seen "friend has two tickets to X and has to decide which friend to take, friends annoy the shit out of them trying to gain their favor" before? It's an old and tired cartoon plot
>>35690932>>35690947>>35690964You still dont get understand that nobody give a shit about your opinion.
>>35690975I dont know, I liked it. I liked Twilight's reactions and handling of the situation and the pacing was well done. It was a neat episode and one that I would rewatch.>>35690982Again, it's a "thread about one guy's opinion" only because you decided not to share your opinion and have a discussion. If you didn't have such a negative personality we'd be talking about your favorite episode or what makes an episode good in your opinion, but you just like to shit on people so you make sure my opinion is the only one in the thread.
>>35690988You are actually retarded. Im out.
>>35690998>Im out.Good, the less depressed retards the better
>>35690514They made up because they were forced to by an outside conflict (the storm), they were both able to see why each other’s perspectives were useful and therefore were able to be more respectable
>>35691012That's a good point. The problem I have with the episode is that the writers gave a lot of attention to the hatred part but not as much to the resolution. The first part dragged on, the second was rushed, and the overall plot was very predictable too.It's still a watchable episode, the zeros are relative to other MLP episodes and overall the quality is pretty good. An MLP episode that I gave a zero to is still better in my eyes than most other shows out there
>>35690418Yeah okay there are a lot of sperging retards in this thread. Season 1 is kinda sacred here, so someone giving fan favorite episodes a 0 is gonna set some of us off.To be honest I don’t really get how you can give some of these episodes such low scores, when in my opinion every episode of this season does a great job of using the characters to further the story and creates interesting and unique conflicts that feel natural to them.It seems like you’re judging every episode on whether or not you could predict the ending, I dunno if that’s the best threshold for good writing. Fall weather friends for example. You expect them both to tie in first place at the end, but instead they tie for last. Because of this they are both made to feel defeat and it dampens their egos in such a way that the conflict between them can be resolved. They’re both obsessed with being the best, that it takes losing together to realize that losing isn’t so bad.
>>35691053I don't want to offend anyone, as I said I'm liking this show a lot mate>It seems like you’re judging every episode on whether or not you could predict the ending,It's a bit more than that. If I can easily predict the ending AND the character interactions then those 22 minutes aren't as fun to sit through as if the story was more complex and had more character development.Let me put it this way: I'm never going to rewatch the 0s or 1s, I might rewatch the 2s, and I'm definitely rewatching the 3s.
(You) farming ITT is excellent.
>>35691091To me the episodes you put as 1s and 0s have excellent character interactions though. I’m interested to see what you think of the cutie mark chronicles when you watch that, because it kinda sounds like exactly what you’re looking for in an episode.
>>35691135No episode has bad character interactions (except maybe the one where Applejack refuses to be helped, she came off as way too rude in some parts) I'm saying the character interactions in those episodes didn't move the character forwards an inch, meaning if you already knew the character then you already knew exactly how they were going to react, every time. And that's less fun than discovering new facets of their personality like in Feeling Pinkie Keen where the story and morals are rather weak, but we found out a new thing about Pinkie Pie and also Twilight's reaction to the whole thing were new.Am I getting my point across? TL;DR: if the character interactions stick 100% to what we already know of the characters then it's not as interesting as the characters being put in NEW situations where we don't know how they'll react.
>>35691150>Feeling Pinkie Keen‘member when it was considered the worst episode of the show? I ‘member.
>>35691158The story was trash and it had no morals at all, but Twilight going nuts was worth it. Also it had decent comedy imo
>>35691150I get what you’re saying but characters acting in ways that align with what we know about their personalities in my opinion strengthen their characters and our relationship with them. Also I’d say that in every character-focused episode we explore a new facet of that character anyway.If every single episode was just throwing new aspects of the characters at the audience it would probably feel like too much, most of what the episodes show us in season 1 is how they clash with each other based on their personalities. But your opinions are your opinions, even if I disagree with them I ain’t gonna change them. I’d suggest just watching through the rest of the season and seeing how you feel then.
>>35691184Sure but... It's a slice-of-life show. Once the personalities are established you HAVE to spice them up and put them in new situations. We know the characters, now show them in a situation that we don't know what they're going to do so we see it and learn more about them.If an episode has characters doing the same thing they always do AND the story isn't particularly interesting then what was the point of the episode? I honestly can't not give Dragonshy a 0. If you like that episode then our minds are simply wired differently and let's leave it at that
your ratings are trash because you believe unpredictability = quality.several shakespeare plays tell you everything that's going to happen right at the start.
>>35691222You don’t think an adventure quest-driven story is different from what was shown up to that point? I guess you could draw parallels between it and the first two parter but the focus is entirely different, and is mostly on Fluttershy anyway
>>35691228Read again, I value character interactions as well.
>>35691232Yeah but like immediately you can tell Fluttershy is going to be a nuisance during the journey but ultimately resolve everything.Everybody does exactly what they always do, the story goes exactly how you'd expect it to go, and at the end what was even the moral? That they're really big friends? Ehh weak episode
>>35690486>>35690606How is this even related?
>>35691272Just one obsessed glimmerhater being schizo as always.
>>35690418>Dragonshy and LBYS a 0>BG, SotC, WWU, FWF, and FPK a 1
>>35690935>Whatever timezone this is, you're a bunch of retards.>It's Saturday evening/night in Burgerland.It checks out.
>>35691295see>>35691247At this point I think you like Dragonshy just because you won't fit in if you don't
>>35691247It’s more about the fact that they all underestimate her, only to find that when she’s forced into a situation where she has to save her friends, she can stand up for herself. May not be the biggest twist ending ever but the rest of the mane six all learn something new about her that they didn’t know before. They learn to value her in ways they previously didn’t.
>>35691298If I wasn't about to raid Blackwing Lair, I'd rattle off a laundry list of every awesome damn thing about that episode. It's unbelievable how cynical you're being here.
>>35691309I really dont get that episode bro. There's others I like, I'm not shitting on the show. I just don't get that one.
>>35691298i mean desu i thought dragonshy was a universally liked episode
>>35691339I was taught to think with my own head
>>35691322MLP isn't all about the originality of the concept of the story. They of course borrow a lot of tropes. While there will be plot twists once in awhile, they generally go where you might expect. It's more about the charm of the characters. Their endearing qualities. It's the wit of the dialogue, the humor in the writing, and above all the insane quality of the voice acting and animation. It all comes together to allow you to empathize with the characters. If any of those qualities was lacking, you wouldn't see them as their own unique living personalities, and the show would become less interesting.Season 1 is very soft and simple compared to season 2 and on. Faust was given a tight leash and she obeyed. You can tell the writers, animators, voice actors, and everyone else involved really came to understand where the show should go, so those reigns get loosened quite a bit and results in season 2, which is mostly insanely good episodes.
Favorite pony so far?
>>35691363I can't wait, it's been a long time since a show had me this interested in watching it!>>35691368Twilight is really well written, and goes to show the writers know what they're doing. She's smart, talented, and with no buts. People like this exist and I wasn't expecting to see one in a cartoon.I was expecting every character to be more or less the same but with different likes/dislikes, instead we get a legit smart person who wants to have a good life with her friends. She's a very human character and I like that.Rainbow Dash is great in all the scenes she's in.Rarity's really well done too, her personality is very realistic as well but does have some moments where it crosses the line into Flanderization territory for the sake of the plot or comedy. I don't really see her going completely narcissistic like she did when she got wings in Sonic Rainboom but eh whateverPinkie Pie has her "moments of clarity" where she shows off some personality other than whacky meme shit and those are consistently great.The others I gotta see more of. I'm unsure about Applejack, she's a mixed bag
>>35691428>Twilight is really well written, and goes to show the writers know what they're doingOh, OP. I'm so sorry.
Some of you guys are all right.Don't watch past season 2.
>>35691501>>35691516kek something's gonna happen isn't it
>>35691528Poor, sweet, innocent OP.Even someone with such poor taste doesn't deserve what's coming
>>35691516>Don't watch past season 2 episode 24ftfy
>>35691528If you genuinely don't know, please don't look into it any further, just come back and post your reaction the instant you've finished Season 3.
>>35690418Ah, I see fellow Eastern European here.Wait till you pass Season 3, your score will enter negative zone, and they will approximate -Infinity in Seasons 8/9.
>>35692088there is no need to be upset>>35691538>>35691547>>35691543that bad? jesus
>>35691295Dragonshy is garbage.
>>35690418I haven't watched the show since the episodes premiered, so I will rate your ratings using my failing memory. FiM pt1 and pt2 should get a 1 at least, maybe two territory. Ticket master is 2 or 3, Applebuck is fine around 1, Griffon is good, but probably leans toward a 2, Boast Busters apparently has a tranny in it so that's an automatic 0, Dragonshy is good at 0, Look before you sleep should be a 3, I barely remember Bridle Gossip so I'll give it a 1 benefit of the doubt, swarm of the century has ponk being based so bump that up to a 2 or 3, winter wrap us is a timeless musical classic so bump that up to a 2, call of the cutie is spot on, bump up fall weather friends to 2 or 3, Suited for Success is alright where it is, keen should be a 2 or 3, and knock rainboom down a peg to 2. Stare master could be a 2, 1, or 3, who knows, show stoppers was meh, 1 or 2, dog and pony show has the chad spike meme before chad was a meme so give that a 2, green isn;t your color is a 1, over a barrel is cool but meh, give it a 1 or 2, bird in the hoof is a 1 or 2, cutie mark chronicles is a 2 or 3, owl episode is shit, 0, party of one is a 3 easily, and best night ever is also a 2. There, opinion corrected. But what if I told you I don't actually browse /mlp/? I'm a tourist from /v/ who heard about your porn game and decided to investigate.The opinions above were formed from googling each episode and looking at the screenshots. How close was i?
>>35693077Terrible apart from your accurate rating of the owl episode
>>35690418Using your system:>FiM Part 21 (good character interactions establishing all the personalities fairly well, though I guess Part 1 does that too)>Dragonshy 1 (I think the characters were handled alright)>Winter Wrap Up 3 (I love the message, the songs, and Twilight learning)>Bridle Gossip2 (the whole Poison Joke thing is pure pottery)>Call of the Cutie 1 (Don't care for Diamond Tiara and Twist, the whole episode is a headscratcher to me. How did the CMC not meet any earlier?)>Sonic Rainboom1 (Rainbow Dash breaks character, and it's absolutely apparent that she will do a Sonic Rainboom)But outside of your rating system, I would consider most of them to be great, and my ratings would not correlate very well with the ratings I'd give here.>>35693077>Boast Busters apparently has a tranny in it so that's an automatic 0If you do metaratings like this, you could just as well give Sonic Rainboom a 0 because it's an episode for toys.>over a barrel is cool but meh, give it a 1 or 2>the chad spike meme before chad was a meme>The opinions above were formed from googling each episode and looking at the screenshots.It shows.
>>35692693S3+ feel different from the first two, and 6+ has a lot of hit and miss in my opinion. They aren't worthless, but they are worse.
>>35690418>Dragonshy>Look before you sleep>Swarm of the century
>>35693077>Boast Busters apparently has a tranny in it so that's an automatic 0What
>>35693097That’s just retards on twitter trying to claim her as trans based on incredibly nebulous reasoning
>>35693097it's like the one bit of board lore I know about you and your blue stallion. >>35693088I knew the toys probably factored into it. I assume you generally don't like them then?>>35693081ok. Don't tell /v/ but I really like this pink one sexually, I might go watch an episode if she's in it.
Op. You're the biggest fucking leftie retard I've seen on this board. I sincerely hope that I'll never see you posting anything ever again.
>>35693114This is how a horsefucker is born. Go watch Party of One and A Friend in Deed. Fall in love. One of us.
>>35693077>Boast Busters apparently has a tranny in it so that's an automatic 0There are no trannies in Boast Busters. Wherever you got that info from was most likely referring to an old /mlp/ joke about Trixie being "trans" based on a rumor that one of the earliest script drafts for BB originally featured her as a male character.
>>35693123They've been everywhere recently. Maybe this is the war that faggot was talking about. Maybe his plan was spaming us with retards instead of gore.
>>35693131well, shit. I avoided it for all these years and I get sucked in now. I'm watching s1e1 right now and I like it. I like it too much. This feels wrong. >>35693134sounds like you have a tranny problem.
>>35693131>A Friend in Deed
>>35690418Holy fucking based, keep up the good work OP, I hope you stick around and continue posting your ratings, this place desperately needs some fresh thinking. The way you made autists seethe is great.
>>35693141Another one has been converted, lads
>>35693141>sounds like you have a tranny problem.Always have had.
>>35693144Smile song man, once he hears that he's hooked.
>>35693167fuck off, I'm not one of the degens just yet. The show is good, but not quite mind blowing.>>35693170so, that's it... weird seeing the face, it's like putting a face on a concept rather than a person. Kind of like seeing OJ Simpson for the first time, you always hear about them but never see them. I never watched much american football anyway.
>>35693123>I don't know how to make your neutral inoffensive post look bad so I will just call you leftie retardwhy are you gatekeepers like this? pic related, just like you're parents>>35693170nobody outside of twitter cares about Tinker anymore.
>>35693114watch party of one if you want to see her facesitting another pony
>>35693192fuck off, you wouldn't last a day on /v/. I've only been here six hours and it is already a hell of a lot nicer than anyplace else i've been. >>35693175i'll watch that episode next. currently watching party of one, kind of sad how she's throwing party after party and her friends are getting tired of it.
>>35693077>Boast Busters apparently has a tranny in itOh shit really? Where?
>>35693123>>35693140>>35693199How the fuck am I leftie?
>>35693114It's not a board lore, it just an outdated joke based on some rumours about preproduction of Boast Busters.
>>35690418S1 is lacking the most important characters in the show - Discord, Starlight Glimmer and of course the Student6!
>>35693207 The Ursa Minor of course
To me this second part of S1 feels a lot more consistent, I'm liking these new episodes.>A Dog and a Pony ShowWould have been a 2 if it didn't have such terrible pacing. The first part before the dogs showed up was legit great, should have lasted a bit more. Dogs in general dragged on so fucking long but ehhh whatever it was alright
>>35693180That's what we all said when we started watching. Now we are stuck here, in hell.
>>35690789Dragonshy was something around "Fluttershy coming out of her shell" for the first time since literally first episode which i guess is only a meaningfull development for the few oldfags who still exist. People who seen S1-9 will not care much about this because Fluttershy transformed into an assertive bitch around S4-6 so its more popular to dismiss Dragonshy now as boring episode.
>>35690418I don't agree with your ratings, but I really like the idea for a thread. I've been mulling over rewatching the show, maybe I will do this as well to keep me engaged. Might tweak it a bit, since it's a sin to give winter wrap up a 1, if not for the song alone.
>>35693199Desu you better leave A Friend in Deed for later if you don't want your opinion of Pinkie to be ruined too early.Not gonna spoil anything, but it was arguably the episode that marked the beginning of her flanderization into an annoying pink ball of autism.
>>35690982Yet you give a shit enough to possibly reply over 20 times and saying how stupid and redddit his tastes are
>>35691053Season 1 is literally previous for nostalgiafags. New generation raised on Steven Universe, Star vs Forces of Evil, She-Ra, Gravity Falls etc will not be impressed by basic adventures with talking ponies. G4 was something new for people raised on G1, not in the era where everything now is adventure with political message.Also there is now more fans who got used to Alicorn Twilight than there are used to Unicorn Twilight. Get used to it, boomer.
>>35693242The theme of Twilight feeling out of place among the others was already done in the pilot and Boast Busters, we really didn't need another retread of that t b hThat said it did it better than Boast Busters for sure and the song was good so... you know what, I'll bump Winter Wrap Up up to 2 next time
>>35691150Feeling Pinkie Keen, Lesson Zero and the 100th episode special feels like something Pony Life would do
>>35691295Dragonshy was never good. Its on the level of Putting your hooves down.
>>35693215did I say you were a lefty? >>35693224sounds like lore to me>>35693230>>35693244that's what scares me, this is going to become resident evil all over again with a great start and a terrible ending, with remakes and remasters that try to catch lightning in a bottle again. supposedly the pink one also gets a husband at some point. that doesn't bother me, since people have been fapping to claimed women since the dawn of time.
>>35693250Don't forget, the current cartoons are all expected to encourage shipping and other tranny shit.>but MLP is full of shippingYes, done by the audience.Watch Bojack Horseman it's all fucking touchy feely "I'm insecure I kinda l-like y-you..." shit that makes it unwatchable
>>35693254Lesson zero really isn't that over the top when you go back and watch it again, Twilight's descent into madness does genuinely feel pretty earned and works with who she is as a character as a little autistic bookpony
>>35691428Are you watching Pony Life premiere streams today? Its a generation 4,5 so you dont need to watch entire G4 S1-S9 to get it
>>35693260There's a dip in quality after season 2, then again and bigger after season 3, 4-7 are fine but nowhere near as good as 1 and 2 (although 5 is pretty good in places) 8 and 9 are either mediocre or outright bad
>>35693260>supposedly the pink one also gets a husband at some pointOnly in the time-skip epilogue, which is the final episode of the show. Also no-one here likes Season 8 and 9. ymmv on Seasons 3-7. Most like S1&2. A few purist autists only like S1.
>>35693270>cal-arts face "comedy"It's all the same shit but this time with an MLP skin, I'll pass
>>35693242Go for it, you could probably just post your ratings in this thread though
>>35693134>trannies latch onto a baseless meme born out of a post-Magic Duel shitpost>none of them ever mention or even acknowledge the one actual trans characterEverything you need to know to figure out how many of those """""people""""" actually watch the show.
>>35693276but they use internet
>>35693261>Don't forget, the current cartoons are all expected to encourage shippingI blame Rebecca Sugar for this and I fucking hate it. It was her gay shipping episodes of Adventure Time that started this trend and she took the attitude with her to Steven Universe. The writers who worked on that and other new shows have copied it because of those shows successes. Cartoon writers are too much like fanfic writers now, they don't respect the characters or the world, they just warp it to make their personal headcanon official.
Fucking well done retards, now he will suffer eternally>>35693260Leave while you can
>>35693252Twilight feeling out of place among her friends never happened. Twilight found a place among the others in the pilot when they basically just forced it on her while she was distracted with her heroism. She never felt out of place because she wasn't trying to be one of them at all. It is hard to feel rejection under those conditions.Boast busters was a misunderstanding about egotism. She felt pressure to avoid attracting the hatred she saw trixie getting because she didn't understand why trixie was really hated. It was an episode about her trying to keep her place, not about her looking for a place. It also focused on the line between humility and cowardice.Twilight finding a place in the community is a totally different matter. She could have settled for being "the library recluse who saved us all once and is friends with 5 ponies" but she wasn't satisfied with that. She is and always was a do-er, a person of such overwhelming work-ethic that it consumes her. This was her finding what she could give to the town, making good on her self-image, and engaging in the social component of her new view on life. Where she once applied herself to solitary tasks, she is now trying out cooperative tasks.Further, I'm fairly sure it was government mandated work and the struggle of a professional student autist getting thrust into town-wide community service and fucking everything up is a perfectly fitting event in the character arc that is twilight sparkle.
>>35693284We already know, but that isn't what we were talking about and fewer people care about the pony who's trans-hood itself isn't a contentious issue..
I really like how mods let an obvious troll thread stay for that long.
>>35693307It's too late for that now. He's in too deep now.
>>35693307>>35693321fuck off, this is less addictive than heroin. the pink one is nice, but she is a bit of an eccentric. it's between her and the white unicorn right now. quiet yellow seems like the kind of chick who would shit talk you behind your back, the nerd is annoying, and the redneck and lesbian are obviously waifu bait. I'll watch a few more episodes from the first season, maybe season 2 since most of you seem to like that one as well.
>>35693307PRAISE THE SUNDOUBLE THE FUN
>>35693298Leave>>35693305>Cartoon writers are too much like fanfic writers nowVery well put. Another characteristic of the current state of cartoons is that there is zero subtlety, it's all about the extremely obvious pandering to people who fall for it completely like the anon I quoted above. >35693308Twilight's easily the best written character so far, and if the best written character is also the MC then the showrunners are doing a good job in my eyes.About the points you raised... first of all for me a score of "1" doesn't mean "mediocre" or "average": it's an entertaining episode like all the others that had a flaw ( be it either the story or the characters ) and the flaw of Boast Busters was that the plot was too simple. The premise is fine, the characters respect their personalities, but it's a 3 minute story told in the span of 22 minutes. It could have had way more things going on, maybe for the other characters too.You know what? I think a subplot would have helped a ton. A substory with the same theme of egocentricity of course, but a different point of view on the matter.Look at Green Isn't Your Color. It's not just about Fluttershy and Rarity, there's also the subplot of Twilight and Pinkie. The theme is largely the same (being honest with friends) but seen in two different lights.>tell your friend how you feel, honestlyIn the case of Fluttershy and Rarity, and a more literal>don't betray your friend's trustin the case of Twilight and Pinkie.A subplot like that would have been enough for me to give Boast Busters a 2 or even a 3 depending on how it was handled. Like this it's, as I said, an overly simplistic plot bloated up to fill 22 minutes.
>>35693308I screwed up the quote, see>>35693345
>>35693334If you're not gonna bother with the whole show at least watch Saddle Row Review and Sounds of Silence before you check out. They're from further along in the show, well after things started going downhill.
>>35693260There's legit nothing worth watching after S3. All episodes are of subpar quality and fall into one of the three categories>lazy rehash of a plot from S1-S3>character flanderization and/or butchering of previously established lore>blatant broknee panderingSeriously, do yourself a favor, watch the show up to S2E24 or the S3 finale, leave it there and pretend S4-S9 do not exist.
>>35693334I didn't mean to be mean, it's a genuine advice.There is no happiness to be found, it will lead you to misery only. This is no some escapist heaven, this is hell
>>35693350Don't listen to this doomfag. There are some of the best episodes of the show in S5, 7 and even 6. S4 is the only forgettable one.
>>35693308>>35693345As for Winter Wrap Up I'm honestly having some difficulties figuring out exactly why it didn't click with me, but I am certain that it didn't at all.The theme of trying to be useful fits Twilight perfectly and it's very interesting for me as well, so the theme can't be the reason.I guess I'm not into songs, plus the resolution was a bit too quick.I think I would have liked it a lot more if Twilight got away with secretly using magic for a bit longer. Imagine this>she uses magic secretly and doesn't fuck up immediately >she's very anxious but is receiving compliments>more and more compliments>she's now conflicted between basking in this moment of attention, gratitude, and belonging AND telling the truth to respect the tradition>it all comes crashing down hard in the end for a big resolutionBut instead we got>tries using magic and fucks up immediately>finds another way she can help without magic>easy endingMeh, no tension, no power to the story. I think I'm keeping it a 1... or maybe I'll bump it to a 2? Shit I don't know
>>35693349>>35693350almost makes me wanna look at these later seasons the way you all are demonizing them. I'm having a hard time deciding between ponk and rara, as you seem to call them.
By the way OP here, this dude's not me >>35693334I plan on watching all of it. The more I hear it gets worse the more I want to watch it
>>35693370>ponk and raraA man of taste.
>>35693298how the hell are earth ponies supposed to type on that, some can play piano and the keys are a bit bigger, but computer keys are hella small.also internet in my cartoons makes me hate them. this is why i wasn't that fond of we bare bears, waaay too much inclusion of modern technology.
>>35693370Even if you will feel the decline of the show's overall quality you're probably still gonna love Rarity and her episodes all the way into S7, she was arguably the only pony whose portrayal was consistently great and true to her character(I didn't mention S8-9 because the dragged everyone through the mud in equal measure).
>>35693272>he doesn't remember sounds of silence
>>35693375It doesn't get bad so much as a bit bland and boring, there's a certain magic to Seasons 1 to (arguably) 3 that just goes after that, but I think Seasons 5 to 7 still have a decent number of good episodes
>>35693393I wonder who is behind these posts...
>>35693414meant to reply to >>35693382 as well
>>35690514>"why are these two even friends in the first place?"They kinda weren't, I always had the impression they weren't friends as much as just acquaintances until their adventure with Twilight brought them together. It's especially evident in Griffon episode where RD actively avoided Ponkster but then realized she isn't as annoying as she previously thought.
I just finished Over a Barrel. It's a special kind of terrible. It's so bad it doesn't even feel like the same show
>>35693720What makes you say that? I always really enjoyed that episode
>>35693810HOW? I liked the change of scenery but it's so painfully boring. Putting aside the main cast to focus on secondary characters is fine but not like this, I couldn't give a shit about the buffalos at all.
>>35693835Well thats fine because you'll literally never see them again
>>35690418You're going to need negative numbers when you get into the latter seasons.If the rating is -1:>There was potential for the predictable story to be good but it wasn't If the rating is -2:>plot is not only boring and predictable but there is active character regression.If the rating is -3:>Viewing this episode felt like an active waste of time put towards story and characters I feel nothing for or dislike entirely.Or something similar.
>>35690418Just wait until you get to the shit that is Showstoppers. It practically ruins anything interesting about the CMC until around seasons 3-4, where the writers actually start giving them depth and giving them other conflicts.
>>35693967jesus lmao>>35693901Exactly it was a waste of time>>35693989Bro I liked showstoppers, what was bad about it?It didn't even feel like it added that much new lore to the CMCs so how would they be ruined after that episode?
>>35690418>>35693967Here are my rankings for season 1. I am using negative numbers for especially broken episodes. The worst ratings are based on how the characters would change throughout the season and how much better they are now than they were. Major spoilers ahead. And how showstoppers nearly ruined the CMCs arc.
>>35694046What's wrong with showstoppers?
>>35694029It spoils what the CMCs marks are supposed to be and makes the multitude of episodes where they hunt for their cutie marks after a lot more obnoxious because we know what their talents are.
>>35694053Shit I guess you're right. In and of itself it wasn't a bad episode though
>>35693989showstoppers is my favorite CMC episode
>>35694054Its an episode that becomes a lot worse after you watch more of the series, but even if you haven't yet, its still pretty mediocre. There is just too much filler and the only interesting part of the episode is the song. The good news is if you don't hate the CMC by now, you will probably love them a few seasons in, because their characters become a lot better and their episodes much less obnoxious.
>>35694046If you’re going to increase the range of scores, why not just rate them on a scale of 0-10 like a sane person?
>>35694067I didn't find Showstoppers obnoxious at all and I think the CMCs are fine, if they get even better then that's great.
>>35694081Not him but that way anything less than 7 feels like garbage.-3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 is much clearerThat said I'll stick to my 0 1 2 3 for the time being. I disliked some 0-rated episodes more than other 0-rated episodes but I don't really care to give too much detail on the ones I didn't like.
>>35694053But isn't the point of all their episodes that cutie marks do not tell them what their entire life has to revolve around because they have more talents than just their cutie marks? Especially since their characters are obviously not restricted to what they do in Show stoppers and also because they get CMCing cutie marks rather than individual cuties marks contradicting the first two episodes anyway
>>35694122Let's just say one may think about how the show progressed one way or another, but the CMC get some good episodes at the very least. And at worst, the way the CMC are handled is a less contentious point.
>>35694053>>35694509Two things here: I think you have to bear in mind when they were writing the Season 1 episodes they had no idea how long the show was going to run. If it had only ran for 2 or 3 seasons it’s likely they would have had the CMCs get their cutie marks a lot earlier than they did, so some degree of setup even at an early stage was probably warranted. As for the spoiler it’s pretty obvious the cutie marks and shared “talent” they got were not the ones that had been originally intended for them, just one of many fuckups in the later seasons.
>>35694542That's a fair point. I think the first episodes were a good setup, knowledge of what comes afterwards left aside. The marks they got just make no sense to me and are just a poor design choice if nothing else. I think they could have given them something apple-themed, a scooter or racing wheel, and musical notes or so, respectively, and still have them do the same things they ended up doing. I am >>35694509 (not the other post) btw.
Just finished Owl's Well That Ends Well. Solid episode! Why is it disliked?>>35694046
>>35694579No. Owls well is so universally despised that the question isn't "why is it disliked" the question is "why did you like it?"If you aren't willing to tell us that, we have no frame of reference for explaining why we didn't like it that you will understand. We would just be saying a bunch of shit you didn't understand or care about. You explain yourself first.
>>35694579Some people don't like how Spike acts in that episode (or at all), I guess? I found it solid too.>>35694594>The baseline is that it's shit.>You have to justify why you like it.I mean you are not entirely wrong about just saying some shit otherwise which newanon wouldn't care about but ugh.
>>35694579I don’t hate it as much as everyone else, but to me it’s one I sort of blank out during. The main criticism is Spike being too much of a cunt towards Owlowicious
>>35694616It's beyond bait and if he wants to bait me into putting forward actual effort to think about an episode that garbage, he's going to work for it first.
>>35694594I really fail to see what's so bad about it. It's an episode about Spike. He's one of the main characters so it's fair he gets an episode about him.The premise is neat and makes sense, Spike acts and reacts nicely and the moral of the story is good too.Literally what's wrong about it? If you're a waifu autist don't bother replying>>35694627I didn't see him as being a cunt, I saw him as being in a panic and not being able to handle it
>>35694627>>35694632This I can absolutely get. Spike is young and undeveloped, both as a dragon and as a character. Of course I'd expect him to try and bully out Owlowicious.>>35694629>I am getting baited by someone unfamiliar with board culture.How does that even work?>writing what I think is effortHow does that even work??
>>35694632>It's an episode about Spike. He's one of the main characters so it's fair he gets an episode about him.This is a counter to a reason I didn't give you because I haven't stated why I dislike it. I'm asking you to tell me why you like it, not why other people's reasons for disliking it are wrong. However, your response here does not make sense even from that perspective. The fact that a character is "main" does not mean they are good characters to focus on. The idea that each character "getting an episode" is "fair" doesn't matter at all. The decision to focus an episode on a particular character should be made based on the quality of the resulting product. Worse products might be excused if each character had to prove themselves individually or something for some overarching narrative purpose, but there are few reasons why you can't introduce and characterized a character in scenes or episodes focused on other characters. It isn't quite necessary. "It is a spike episode" does not either justify the episode or ruin it. It just describes the episode, which evokes different meanings for different people. To some people, the intended meaning of "it is a spike episode" is self evident.>The premise is neat and makes sense,What is the premise, according do you. What do you mean "neat"?What do you mean "nicely" because spike is absolutely not nice in this episode. What is the moral according to you? Why is it "good"?
>>35694682I like Spike and I liked him in that episode. I don't know what else you want to know from me
>>35694682youre not being very nice yourself
Now youve made it obvious you're here to be annoying, not to discuss the show
>>35694692I think spike is ok and I didn't like him in that episode. I don't know what else you want to know from me.If you can't show me what justifying your opinion means according to you, I don't know how to justify my opinion to you.
>>35694723I'd like to talk about it but not to you, so this conversation is over
>>35694724You left me with no tools and then got mad when I built you no castle.Bait. That's how bait works. That's why you are bait. No, being bait does not require intimate knowledge of sub-culture sub-culture.
Quick update.By the way I encourage everyone to share their own spreadsheets like this one if you have em. Some autists are going about how this thread is all about me but that's because they're not posting their opinions.Post opinions!
>>35694682You still haven't stated why you dislike it.>The idea that each character "getting an episode" is "fair" doesn't matter at all.It would be weird if one of the mane6 got no episodes focusing on them.>The decision to focus an episode on a particular character should be made based on the quality of the resulting productDo you want to say that episodes about Spike cannot be good by principle? Well, why?> if each character had to prove themselves individually or something for some overarching narrative purposeHe does.>>35694724Aight, we'll continue then.>>35694745It's nice talking about this again (yes, with you), but I am not extremely of the rating format... maybe I will. But it honestly either requires me to rank from memory which wouldn't be helpful or warrants a whole rewatch.>Over a BarrelYou mentioned this already, it seems. I think it was nice, but not one of the highlights. Everybody is gay for Braeburn.
>>35694781>He does.He never did.>You still haven't stated why you dislike it.I haven't stated that I dislike it. >It would be weirdOk?>Do you want to say that episodes about Spike cannot be good by principle? Well, why?I never said any such thing.
>>35690494>>35690514>>35690527It's ok girls you're both hopelessly retarded
>>35690831Ok so Dash setting up the pranks somehow elevates the otherwise perfectly predictable episode to the highest rating, but when there is absolutely no way you could have thought Fluttershy goes into rage mode when there are countless other ways she could have faced her fear, you say you knew what was going to happen.You're an idiot.
>>35694846The premise, character interactions, and overall story of Brush-Off were more interesting to me, as well.
>>35690915He's too retarded for reddit, pol or 9fag are more the places for him
>>35694806Then state something.
>>35690932You're such a try hard faggot.You didn't trigger anybody, you're getting shat on because you aren't contributing any discussion you're just posting numbers and going durr no or the autist!
>>35694861If you honestly think that's what I'm doing then keep reading the thread
>>35693250Steven universe gravity falls and star vs are such fucking dog shit
>>35693305It's not just her and adventure time, regular show pulled that bullshit too, and so did gravity falls, and gumball pulled it too. It's all of the calarts retard crap that does it
>>35694899I can’t agree with lumping gravity falls in with those. I think the writing is great and the entire show was strictly led by Alex Hirsch. He had a hand in writing every episode, poured hours and hours of time into making sure everything made sense and was coherent. If you listen to the audio commentaries you can just tell he really cared about it just as much as Faust cared about FiM. I think you can see all of that passion in it. It feels very tight and well thought out.But this isn’t /co/ so this is all off topic.
>>35694954If what you're saying about the effort he put in is true, then the problem was his competence not his level of effort, because he failed at making it make sense and being coherent. And I don't believe it is true. He couldn't even be fucked to be consistent with the main villain's powers or intelligence, shitty jokes always took front seat over actually being a story, and more time than ever could be warranted was wasted on dipper and mabel's stupid crushes
>>35694954>If you listen to the audio commentaries you can just tell he really cared about it just as much as Faust cared about FiM.This. Despite it being a Disney Show, it was surprisingly adult and unlike MLP I can't for the life of me point out any executive meddling shit forced into the show.>But this isn’t /co/ so this is all off topic."Nobody cares lol. Please watch our cup in autumn.inb4 FOR FREE>>35695015I mean yeah that's why they suck but I wouldn't let them live rent free in my head as the great puppetmasters of our generation. They just wanted to make cartoons with some idealism. I could say the same about our dear and revered Faustinist.
>>35695103>I wouldn't let them live rent free in my headAnd they don't for me, I just don't watch that shit and occasionally post about it on here.
>>35695109That's fair. Not my intention to imply you did, just wanted to speak in general terms.Though, if I am being entirely honest, I watched all those shows except most of Adventure Time, and the ending of Star vs. Had some nice moments, but they were just cartoons to me and I stayed away from their fanbases.
>>35694954>But this isn’t /co/ so this is all off topic>talking about cartoons on /co//co/ follows such a set pattern now it’s depressing>cautious hype for new show>like it to begin with>creators are based>rapidly turn on it>creators are now hacks>it’s shitThat’s not to say a lot of new cartoons AREN’T shit, but there’s no good fucking discussion to be had any more. While Gravity Falls didn’t stick the landing it still managed to be pretty good overall. The characters and premise were both solid imo. Hilda is good too.
>>35695205Not the guy you're replying to but Gravity Falls and all other post-modern calarts stuff is "pretty good overall" relative to other post-modern calarts stuff.If you compare it to golden era Simpsons and other godly cartoons these new ones are all garbage
>>35695205I’ve never visited /co/ I only come to /mlp/, but I come here to talk about ponies and so I don’t want to derail this thread by discussing another cartoon.
wow nice garbage fire of a threadop has shit taste
>>35695929post yours then fgt
found nothing better to respond to huh
>>35695951no now post your episode ratings
>>35694542>>35694569 The marks they got were a lot better than the ones they planned, mostly because of showstoppers. It would be hard not to be obnoxious to have episodes where the CMC realize their special talents being the obvious after all this time. In contrast, having them miss that their cutie marks just might be related to their obsession with cutie marks is clever and helps to off set the issues with Showstoppers.
So Rainbow Dash is the only pony to have performed the sonic rainboom and she did it twice. Why does she still look for situations to show off to the Thunderbolts? They seem to forget her very quickly
>>35696144 Give it a few seasons.
And that concludes season 1I decided to have a rating of 4 just to show my personal favorite of the seasonNot very consistent but when it got good it got really good
>>35696123I understand your argument, but I respectfully disagree. I'm not a fan of their special talents being the same thing. We saw that they all had things they loved to do and were good at, and it would have been nice to see them develop those talents and pursue those interests while still remaining close friends; that's exactly the case with the mane 6. But instead they just all do the same thing and all become teachers, which I feel robs them of their them individuality.
>>35696115I'm this anon>>35693088>>35694781And this post >>35695951 was referring to zeroinputfag here >>35695929>>35696123 Actually, I didn't even think of it this way. It's actually fairly appropriate, yeah. just feel that giving them all three such a similar cutie mark is like saying that they all three belong together like a family and I just cannot see that happen, they kind of must have their own lives too. Haven't seen season 9 but feel free to spoil. >>35696144You mean Wonderbolts. First of all, the Wonderbolts are the most prestigious air show group, she probably loved them ever since her childhood. Meanwhile, they had nothing before Sonic Rainboom to remember her by. Secondly, the Sonic Rainboom is "just one cool-looking trick" as far as most other ponies are concerned though as you know from The Cutie Mark Chronicles, that's not true at all and as the episode shows, she cannot just pull that off one a daily basis. and there may be other tricks that are just as spectacular.>>35696237>Party of OneOh yes.
>>35696237Understood your difference. But>Green Isn't your Color>3How? I could understand you if it were below 3.
>>35696270 The problem is there really isn't a way to make all three of them getting their cutie marks interesting. Flight to the Finish was probably Scootaloos cutie mark episode in an earlier draft, but how would you make it interesting once Scootaloo has it? It becomes obvious that Sweetie Belle will get hers shortly after and that Apple Bloom will probably get hers a season later. What do you do with the characters after they get their cutie marks? Having them still be friends with their original marks doesn't really leave them room to develop more. Infact, I would argue it would make Scootaloos arc in particular worse, because it would have instantly resolved the "can't fly" issue, where as not making that the moment she earned her mark left it open to be used in later episodes.
>>35696273 Personally, I believe that the writers originally intended to make the CMC and Glimmer have a much larger role with each other where the CMC would have used their talents with cutie marks to convince glimmer that cutie marks aren't a bad thing and this would have been why their marks were so important. They may have been a pseudo mane 6 at one point in the writing process.
>>35696237I’m interested in seeing if your opinions differ with season 2. Also favorite song from S1?
>>35696406Season 1 is probably the worst season.
>>35696843No, Season 6 or Season 9 are the worst seasons.
>>35696859>season 6Had the worst episodes overall, but at least had interesting episodes as well. Season 1 is just so dull.
>>35693175Friend in Deed is garbage elevated by one good song
>>35690418Man, if you think any of the season 1 episodes are below a 2, you've either got shit taste and you'll love season 3+ or you'll really start to hate this show starting in season 4.
>>35690418Why is Griffon a 3?
>>35690418Heresy, s01 is unrateable.
>>35690713>Another flutters is a wimpy bitch episodeThey even made fun of THEMSELVES for making literally every episode about not speaking up for yourself when shes MC.
>>35691150It's a cartoon show and they kinda have to stick to their archetypes or it gets confusing for kiddies.
>>35694745Did you stop using negatives>
>>35696288It's a neat plot and Rarity's reactions are entertaining, I was interested the whole time
>>35697067Nah I never started, that's another anon who posted his own ratings
>>35697034Yeah but it's more fun if we take it seriously. Plus some of the episodes are legit high quality
>>35690418>winter wrap up low tier>fall weather low tierGet out.
I consider this board to be full of the best of the bestYou faggots can understand shit that makes anyone else seethe and just roll with itWhile your shitposts aren’t as large scale as other boards, they’re very impressive for your sizeSo how the fuck is if that you all get baited by this shit
>>35697684do (You) see anything else to do here anon? the board is dead. we come back to see if anything interesting is going on, and usually, nothing is. responding to shitposts is a way to kill time freed from this board being so active long ago.
>>35697684>>35697694OP here, I posted my reasonings in the thread. Complete S1 list is here >>35696237
/v/fag reporting back>>35697684bait has worked for time immemorial, anon. it will continue to work even after we are all dead. I've watched a few episodes from all the seasons now, and I still like the pink one. rarara is cute but seems a little ditsy, ponk is a meme but there is something about that pink ass i can't say no to. I still don't understand how this place and "bronies" got so big, I suppose things were different in 2012.
>>35697707It's a containment board, people were getting upset about mlp stuff being posted elsewhere.
>>35697716imagine getting this upset about pastel colored horses
>>35697707All will succumb to the pink plot
>>35697718>imagine getting upset about people shitting up your discussionpretty easy to imagine
>>35697716if everyone got a board with that amount of effort, Andy Sixx and that banana would have gotten their own boards years ago.
>>35690418HIIIIIIIIIIIWelcome to the fandom. I hope you stick around after you're done with the show.>>35696237I have no clue how "Griffon the Brush-off" is that high and "Over a Barrel" is that low, but I more or less agree with the rest of the ratings. Season 2 is where things pick up so I'm interested in how you'll rate those episodes.
>>35697726shit i forgot about that meme, let's bring it back aight
>>35697019>season 1>goodHave you tried rewatching it. Its overrated. The fandom only started to grow after season 2.
>>35696237Meghan McCarthy was the best writer but a so-so show runner. Still much better than Haber
>>35697886Yes I did, last month and it was better than I remembered
>>35697886I watched on the rewatch stream that's going on right now. Almost every episode is 10/10 with the only weak ones being Feeling Pinkie and Owl episode. Season 2 is where cracks started showing with genuinely shit episodes like MMDW and ACW.
It’ll be interesting to see your thoughts on season 2
>>35698541>Still much better than HaberThat's not a compliment, that whore Meghan did a TERRIBLE job. She just wasn't as shit as Haber.
>>35698993I think I'll wait until I have finished the entire season to post the next pic. If the thread's dead by then I'll start a new one
>>35699374I mean, you might as well just give your thoughts on each episode as you go along seeing as there’s not much else people would post in this thread
>Celestia moving her horn around Twilight like a Lord would move his sword around a knightlolcute but still kinda lol
Very strong start to this second season, also I revised the rating system a bit (changed "4" to "best" and also added a small legend)
>>35699637Add a -1, or increase the score to 5 or 6. The rest of the show is less consistent in a sense. I don't mean that the show gets worse, but episodes are often either really good or really terrible. There is one infamous episode coming up, and its not even that bad compared to how bad a few episodes get in season 6 [./spoiler] Season 1 probably had the least terrible bad episodes, but its good episodes don't hit as high as the other seasons.
>>35699861Let him change it if he feels it is needed. The scale will work fine until then.
>>35699967Wonder how long until he realizes he will need a "terrible" category.
>>35699637Season 2 is the best season imo, if you also come to that conclusion I might forgive some of your S1 ratings.
>>35700593It really isn't. People forget that season 2 had a lot of janky episodes as well. Ignoring the obvious trash that is Mare Do Well , a number of episodes are also pretty mediocre and outright bad. Episodes that people would say is a sign of the show going to shit had they aired in season 8, episodes like Cutie Pox, Baby Cakes, Mmmystery, Putting your hoof down, A Friend in Deed (Which is a bad episode outside of the song), Dragon Quest. Thats like a fourth of the season that is shit.
S5 > S2 > S1 > S6 = S4 >>>>>>>> S8 > S9
>>356908160 is for "boring plot" so no, if it's 0 it can't be 3 - if the plot is great, it's 3, no matter how predictable.>>35693239OP says he just started watching the show
>>35693141>I'm watching s1e1 right now and I like it. I like it too much. This feels wrong.Holy shit, as a newfag I've only ever seen screencaps of people saying this from the early days of the show, and now I got to witness someone going through this in 2020Amazing
>>35700663Y'know, when considered from a mythology arc perspective--one which I guarantee Hasbro didn't give a shit about, but eh--S2 kind of HAD to be shit, y'know? Consider what each season did for the overall individual characters and the series: S1: Provincial Arc. Establishes the basic precepts of the setting, the characters, and their relationships with one another. Lays out the rules that will be followed moving forward (if you squint) and gives general goals and aspirations for the characters. S2: The Underworld ArcIn the first ~3.5 seasons of the show a single literary cycle takes place, and S2 is the underworld. We know our heroes; now we have to *break* them. We have to show that these characters aren't proper members of the society they participate in, but are striving to reach these goals. They are deeply flawed, imperfect persons, unfit for the goals ahead. They must fail, learn from their mistakes, and then fail again. It must be proven that they have flaws but that in each of them a spark of redeemability, something of value, persists. S3: The Justification Arc of the initial cycle, proof that the characters can rise above their own failings. They reach the first full steps on their individual paths, demonstrating a maturity and a progression beyond "a bunch of provincial fucks without knowledge or ambition". S4: While there is a brief interlude between S3 & S4 with EQG and some other materials, those materials are at best of questionable canonicity and at worst skub so I'll skip right over them. With S4 Twilight Sparkle begins her ascent to the throne, so this arc will be called the Ascension arc as it deals with how she and her friends adjust to the responsibilities and honors their new positions offer them--sometimes well, sometimes poorly. (1/3)
>>35701575S5: The Expansion arc, serving to expand on both the themes of S4 and the show as a whole. Now that the Mane 6 and their friends have settled into their new roles and paradigms the focus shifts towards another journey of personal discovery, this time on a national scale. They've learned to be good for their roles, good statecrafters, good entrepeneurs, etc.... but in the process, have they forgotten what it means to be good people? S6: With this arc the old cast of heroes takes a less... active role in the show and a new one rises to the fore, and thus I refer to it as the Generations arc. The characters have basically completed their life goals, become the people they intended to be, and have reached the endgame; now they have to learn about passing this knowledge on, about being content with loss and change. They are no longer young, but then again neither is the world they live in. It is time for a fresh set of eyes to view it, and so they must learn to work not from the halls of the country mansion but from the seat of power in the capitals. S7: As S1 had S2, as S4 had S5, so too must S6 have its S7. Here we see the characters once more begin to falter, to slip. They've changed roles and stance yet again, and now they must learn who they are once more. Twilight is no longer the young, eager student, eyes full of naive curiosity and single-minded obsession, nor is she the young, unfulfilled statespony desperate to understand what she must do to obtain purpose and meaning. Rainbow Dash is no longer the brash young hothead with aspirations for greatness, nor is she the untested recruit determined to obtain her perceived 'rightful place' at the top. Applejack isn't the spring chicken so dedicated to her work she forgets to live, nor is she the young woman bringing up her sister as the mother she herself never had. In S7, the characters must rediscover their identities, learn through suffering and epiphany who they are rather than what they are. (2/3)
>>35701579S8: Perhaps S8 was a mistep, but it was a necessary one--which is better, after all, to fall victim to stagnation or to fail in the search of new earth to till? Thus, in S8 the characters we've grown to love must redefine their rolls once more or fall victim to that stagnation. They've earned the respect of their peers and nation, lain a foot on an international stage, and secured their personal legacies. However, they *must keep pushing*. Not abandoning the crusade for meaning, now the characters must find a new place in the world at its very top, leaving behind a legacy that touches nearly ever land in existence. Their new purpose as living living legends is to see that those legends stay in the hearts and minds of all who can comprehend them, thus securing an immortality beyond that which magic or an alicorn's nature can offer. S8 was the final step towards true completion of the self, from community, to state, to nation, to world. It is the Penultimate arc. S9: The final stage, the final problem, and the Final arc. The characters find themselves facing the same old questions through the perspectives of new eyes not present or even aware of who they were: who are they? What does it mean to be a good person when operating on the scale they now exist upon? What must they be, what must they do, both to master a world and to master themselves? To never lose sight of themselves or faith in others? S9 tackles the question by addressing the impact they've had and how others perceive them, and up until the final few episodes wherein they offer a definitive answer, it is a fairly open-ended one. However, at the end the ponies we come to know almost like family, the people we come to feel pride and love for, are exactly who they are as they began, if a bit... wiser, surer for their experiences. (3/3)
>>35697755Banana is obsolete, it's all about the seared bite now
>>35695205>that greenthis is literally mlp what are you talking about lol
>>35701575>>35701579>>35701582Really interesting perspective, Anon. Thanks.
>>35701575You write so well but I can't see the spoilers, I've screencapped your posts and I'll read them when I've watched the whole thing
>>35699020She did better than Faust
>>35701913In the finale Rarity dies and Rainbow marries Applejack
>>35701954Why do you have to go and spoil everything, imagine his reaction after he watched Rarity's death scene unaware.
I'll be honest season 2 is so damn good so far that I might have to create bigger ratings
>>35702007Which episode are you on now?
>>35702040great streak so far
is that a motherfucking Big Lebowski reference
>>35702061Sadly you have one of the most universally hated episodes coming up very soon, it feels very out of place>>35702068Yep, there's an even more obvious one a few minutes after that
>>35702061>sisterhooves social>not 4
>>35702128There's no 4 yet, only thing better than 3 is "best episode of the season" and I can't give that just yet.I agree it was very good
>>35702102>Sadly you have one of the most universally hated episodes coming up very soonWelp. I'll take a break though, I watched like 3 in a row
>>35702102>>35702153Yea its pretty awful. But just wait until season 6 where you get like four of the worst episodes in the series within 8 episodes of each other.
>>35690529>Any retard can figure out the culture in about 5 minutes.Yes but never replicate or understand it. >GatekeepingGo back.
What the...Sweet And Elite was going so well, what the fuck was that ending?>I learned that I shouldn't be ashamed of where I'm fromThat's it? Nothing about lying to your friend? And what about avoiding responsibility (twilight's dress)? It was such a strong episode up until it all got resolved in one quick scene and half the loose ends were forgotten. What a weak resolution.What rating should I give it? It was a solid 3 but now I'm not so sure
>>35702922The song was good, the premise was sound, Twilight and Rarity were great. It's just the non-ending that sucked so hard.I'm giving it a 1
>>35702920I give it from on to two star out of three (my system of notation) depending of the viewing's year.First view was 1/3, second 1.5/3 and third 2/3.Bear in mind that when I first viewed it, it was the last episode I saw.And the third view, I saw up until season 7-8 (I don't have acess to my last rating from my phone).But I don't rate it by script, but by feeling. Which is a mix of script, epic moments, fun moments, characters I prefer, cuteness and sticking to pony's feeling for last seasons.
>>35702920>Nothing about lying to your friend? And what about avoiding responsibility (twilight's dress)?All comes under the same banner really, doesn't it? She was neglecting her old friends at the expense of her new ones, "where you're from" isn't just a physical place.
>>35702920The thing I like about that episode is that it just sort of... sums up and explains Rarity, y'know? She's not exactly a bad person, but she definitely can have an inconsistent economy of attention. For example, she's giving and caring, genuinely going out of her way to help others... when doing so falls within her plans and desires. She'd love to design new dresses for her friends free of charge! ...and thus ensure they don't bring down her big, fancy dance. She's deeply concerned with how her actions make others feel! ...unless doing so gets in the way of her business or "others" is Spike. She respects and values the opinions and lives of others! ...as a concept, where in actuality stripped of its romantic connotations, she'd gladly be spared dealing with the commoners and their filth. Maybe I ride on her too hard, but Rarity often leans on excessive, showy, often shallow and superficial gestures when she feels like it and a complete disinterest in others when she isn't. This isn't to say she's a bad character--perhaps not a likable character, but nuanced nonetheless. The episode to me was kind of a microcosm of Rarity's privileged, snooty life and how she became the person she is.
>>35690478>I'm new to this boardThat's fine but you need to lurk before you post or else you'll get shat on like you are now for being a newfags. So just browse and learn how operate and our culture, or take >>3569045. Advice. /mlp/ might not be for you and jamming yourself in will make you and us unhappy and you might genuinely fit in better over at reddit.
>>35697886>Have you tried rewatching it. Its overrated.Shit taste detected. If you're so shallow that you don't enjoy the wholesomeness of season 1, you should just kys.
>>35703881>But I don't rate it by script, but by feeling. Which is a mix of script, epic moments, fun moments, characters I prefer, cuteness and sticking to pony's feeling for last seasons.Very understandable, and the script was well done, there are no plot holes or anything.If I'm honest I didn't like that ending because it painted Rarity in a bad light, she wasn't shown learning her lesson fully like I would have hoped.>>35704171She's definitely much deeper than I thought at first, that's for sure.Maybe I'll bump the episode to 2, I really did like a lot everything before the ending.
>>35704379First of all only a couple of autists got upset at me not adhering to the general consensus. I'm having some quality discussions with other anons.Second of all, cringe
>privileged, snooty lifeThat's not true and applies more to Twilight, who was actually a Canterlot pony and Celestia's prized student. Rarity's parents appear rather hickish and she lives in a remote village, her social standing isn't really higher than Applejack's. I feel like she has always been insecure about her roots and thus made herself into a classy sophisticated mare with fancy career, and thus saw her newfound status in Canterlot as an opportunity to finally live the life she always wanted. The fact the she sacrificed all that(well not really but the implication was clearly she can't have both) and chose her friends anyway speaks very highly of her and is one of the strongest lessons in the show.
I honestly can't bring myself to not love a single episode from Season 1. It's not just nostalgia either, There's legitimate reasons to like them all. The plots may not always be perfect to my tastes, but the only episode from S1 I don't think is actually great is "Owl's Well That Ends Well" because it follow a pretty standard 'person in position they love gets upstaged and feels bad about it' narrative. I can't even fault it for being unrealistic, but it is a bit low energy, in both cases. Owl's Well tries to raise the stakes in a way that wasn't really necessary and felt out of place as a third act twist, and green isn't your color well... kinda did it first and better, while tying it into another great subplot with Twilight. Outside of that, I'd say season 1 holds up better than anything post S3, and S2 and S3 up until its finale, while not quite as strong, definitely were solid.
>>35705711So far I'm liking S2 much more than anything from S1
The ratings so far
Something I always find funny to consider when these sorts of conversations come up is that the majority of the show happened after S3. Hell, most of the show happened after S4, too; Twilight's been an Alicorn longer than she's been a unicorn since the middle of S6.
>>35706460The soulless zombie Simpsons episodes take up the majority of total Simpsons episodes, but only the golden age is remembered.This phrase gets repeated so often but it rings true here: it's about quality not quantity
>>35706459Oof on the Hearth's Warming Eve review; I'll admit that it was primarily a holiday loredump, but I'd figure it was at least a 1 or, if you're super into lore, a 2. Was there some basic element of the episode that made it such a turn off, or was the backroom shenaniganery too annoying to justify anything but a 0? Or did you dislike the whole 'Hearth's Warming Story' itself?
>>35706459>Heart's warming eve 0Are you disabled? The biggest lore dump that establishes so much about the world and you rate it the lowest, while the fucking Baby Cakes is 3?
>>35706477Probably "hurr rushed resolution", this seems to be a trend in his negative ratings.
>>35706477>>35706479>>35706483I didn't like how the protags acted literally like themselves instead of playing the part of their historical counterparts. You have a great premise of a theatrical play and it's just the usual stuff? On top of that it had the weakest humor of any episode.As far as loredumps go I preferred what Family Appreciation Day did.>>35706479>while the fucking Baby Cakes is 3?I was going to give it 2 but the babies dumping flour on them to make Pinkie stop crying hit me hard. Really though it had no problems and worked perfectly, what's the problem with it?
>>35706459>Cutie Pox: 3 >Sweet and Elite: < 3>Baby Cakes: > 1>Hearth's Warming Eve: 0 I didn't know this was a You Rage You Lose thread.
>>35706487Technically nothing, there is a good premise and morals and shit, but it's just boring episode with annoying screeching toddlers 90% of the screen time.
>>35706501>Cutie Pox: 3What's the matter with it?>Sweet and Elite: < 3I wanted Rarity to be punished or at least apologize for lying to Twilight but it didn't happen at all.>Baby Cakes: > 1The humor worked, the story worked, it was fun to watch, and we got to see Pinkie deal with responsibility. What was the problem with it?>Hearth's Warming Eve: 0I didn't like how the cast acted just like themselves instead of acting out their respective historical figures. Lot of wasted potential.Very predictable plot, the humor never worked, and I preferred the lore that came out of Family Appreciation Day much betterReally what's wrong with Cutie Pox and Baby Cakes?
>>35706508I think you should rewatch it, bro. I never felt annoyed and I usually hate baby characters, Pinkie was great the entire time
>>35706487Ah yeah, I see what you mean. I imagine a TV special set in the 'actual time period' with a slightly expanded plot would've been better for the story they were telling, but there would've been no chance in shit we were getting that in early G4. Though I always find Apple Appreciation day funny because it implies, whether or not the writers cared (Spoiler Alert: they didn't) that Granny Smith is hundreds of years old and that Earth Ponies at least can get that old
>>35706526>Granny Smith is hundreds of years old and that Earth Ponies at least can get that oldIt would make sense if earth ponies lived longer, that would give them an edge against pegasi and unicorns that isn't just having a slightly higher bench press record.Back to Hearth's Warming Eve: really it's the amoung of wasted potential that gets me with this one. This could have been THE lore episode but instead we get fanfic tier gags and a single obvious story with no subplots, blehjh.Best lore that I got from the episode is that old guy that Twilight was cosplaying as during the halloween episode was also the mentor of Twilight's character during the play. That bit was cool
>>35706509Cutie Pox is tedious and predictable with no redeeming values. Zecora's cure was awfully contrived and most of the runtime is filled with uncreative filler. Baby Cakes shits on how unicorns and pegasi work. There isn't really anything else wrong with it, save for how annoying babies are and how overdone the "incompetent babysitter" premise is.
>>35706546>Baby Cakes shits on how unicorns and pegasi workI'll give you that. Those babies looked god tier with their abilities considering they were one month old.After I'm done with S2 I'll rewatch Cutie Pox before getting to S3, but I recall having a great time with it. Maybe I just like stories about big lies that eventually come to the surface, I feel they could rehash this same premise with different characters and I'd still find it interesting to see how each character deals with the burden of lying and the pleasure of the fantasy they created with the lie. Just my personal bias but you gotta expect that, I never said this was going to be the objective and absolute ranking that nobody can debate.I'm a reasonable dude but I still got my biases and I'm a sucker for stories about lies
>>35706487 #They didn't really act like their normal selves, Rarity and Rainbow's traits were extremely exaggerated which works well for characters who are supposed to be leaders and represent their race the best(high and mighty unicorns, brash and warlike pegasi). Pinkie on the other hand... I couldn't help but wonder "how the fuck earth ponies appointed her as their leader?" Definitely makes no sense and done for the sake of lolrandumb gags.
>>35706659Exactly, I expected Applejack to be the leader but instead she was just there to roll her eyes whenever Pinkie did something randumb.Also the fact that the roles were so symmetrical was boring. One leader, one assistant. Come on put some effort into it.
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>>35706459>Hearth's Warming Eve>0How is it even possible to have such abhorrent taste, holy shit.
>>35706821I explained myself in these two posts>>35706509>>35706543really I dont think it's any good
>>35698776>>35698810>literal consoomers: "b-but product is based! u must CONSOOM"
>>35706854>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT LIKE SEASON 1 IT ISN'T KINO UNTIL SEASON 2!!!!!!!!!HAVEN'T YOU IDIOTS BEEN ON REDDIT? YOU CANT JUST "LIKE" S1!!!!!!!!!!!
>>35706871>HAVEN'T YOU IDIOTS BEEN ON REDDIT?No. Why don't you return there?
what the fuck, a minotour doing some stage act is enough to annihilate Fluttershy's element of harmony?I dont see this being a fan favorite
>>35706898They aren't literal personifications of their elements and defy them plenty of times, but yeah, I'm not a fan of this episode
>>35706935The minotaur was right too. He promised to make ponies more assertive, he succeeded with Fluttershy, and then she refused to give him money because she fucked up? What a retarded episode.
>>35706946The morale is that Fluttershy learned to be assertive without just being a mean cunt, but Iron Will played his part in that too, so she swindled him.
>>35696406I'm really enjoying S2, much more than S1>Also favorite song from S1?Shit I don't really remember the songs, there were some pretty catchy ones. I just remember the cupcake one but I'm sure if someone were to remind me of another one I'd go "oh yeah I liked that better"
>>35706981>I just remember the cupcake oneAh, I see you're a man of high culture as well.https://youtu.be/39ofvrQJj2I
>>35706946>>35706956Iron Will was the one who fucked up though, since rather than promising to make people assertive, he promised>complete satisfactionThe real moral is don't leave yourself open to legal loopholes or you're only asking to get jewed.
>>35706487>Really though it had no problems and worked perfectly, what's the problem with it?That a baby pegasus and a baby unicorn have near full mastery of flight and magic out of nowhere. Even able to carry Pinkie in the air. Ridiculous.Besides that there's nothing really interesting there for a lot of people, just "lol babies hard".
>>35707029hence his second appearance has him full jew about no refunds
>>35706459>that streak of 3's at the beginning of S2extremely good taste anon
>>35690418Wait, MLP can get NEW fans?All I ever hear about is existing fans leaving.
>>35706459Im surprised you didn't rate Mare Do Well lower. Thats the episode people were warning you about. Just wait until season 6 where they attempt to remake Mare Do Well, but do everything worse.
>>35706459>>35708134Yeah, whoa, hang on OP, you thought Heath's Warming was WORSE than MMDW? The episode in which all the main characters behaved atrociously and the moral was essentially>if your friend is behaving badly, rather than confronting them about it go behind their back and do something that will upset and publicly shame them into repenting>this is a completely acceptable way for friends to behaveand even Applejack, Element of Honesty, went along with this.
>>35708187Y'know, unpopular opinion but I never really disliked MMDW. The thing is, Rainbow Dash is... a prodigious cunt who was and often continued to demonstrate herself as willing to put the safety and comfort of others in extreme jeopardy for petty gains. Rainbow Dash was taking every part of her shitty egotism and utter disregard for others to the extreme and was engaging in such a severe degree of self-fellation that confrontation would only prompt her to throw a self-victimizing bitch fit and fuck off. While disguised as the Mysterious Mare Do Well, none of the Mane 6 did anything objectionable, they just saved ponies from disaster, a deal of which Rainbow was indirectly responsible for or was willing to become indirectly responsible for. Rainbow Dash publicly shamed herself as a response to privately shaming herself when she failed to live up to her ostentatious, self-aggrandizing self-image, the product of which demonstrably put others at risk. In short, 90% of the time Rainbow's a stupid bitch and she has to get seriously hurt before she learns jack shit, so her friends made sure that she was hurt in a way that would protect others from her shit behavior and hurt her feelings rather than her body.
>>35706459>Lesson Zero at 3The episode based its entire premise on a previously unestablished point that Twilight had to write weekly. That was never stated at any point in the series, so the drama felt manufactured to me. MMDW was more fun than you're giving it credit for I wager, though Applejack really shouldn't have been involved. Hearth's Warming was very good as well, because it was meant to fill in the world and lore and did it nicely. I don't agree with all of your 3s, but I do agree with most of them. Super Speedy Cider Squeezy is an omage to a classic fable, but they did botch the ending a bit.Keep up the good work, your opinions are your opinions, even if I think that you unfairly judged a lot of the episodes from S1.
>>35708269My biggest gripe with MMDW is that Ponyville turned into a death hazard zone where freak accidents appear all the time for the mane six to play heroes. Unless of course they deliberately set them up which would be too morbid if more realistic.
>>35708269Exactly, you can't just TALK to a Rainbow Dash that went crazy with attention
>>35708882maybe the episode takes place during a wide span of time, like years and years and we're just seeing the moments when accidents happendumb theory I know, it's not a great story and that's that
>>35708269I think that's a bit harsh, I mean Rainbow can be a bit reckless and cavalier but not to the point where she disregards the safety of others. And that was the real problem with the episode, none of the characters really feel like themselves. It hinges on the idea Dash is ridiculously popular which she never was before and never really is again. The others just seem smug about the plan with none of them really having any misgivings about it. I can't really imagine any of them, with their characters that were established up to that point, thinking it was a good idea. Applejack should have seen it as dishonest, Fluttershy should have thought it was potentially cruel, Pinkie as well seeing as how she was shown to be considerate of people's feelings and had already experienced feeling hurt when she thought her friends were going behind her back. The only ones I can actually see going along with it are Rarity because she doesn't like people being full of themselves and Twilight because she's a bit of a control freak.
>>35708912The whole theme of Season 2 seems to be pitting the characters against their own virtues, some episodes handle it well and others (like MMDW and Putting Your Hooves Down) end up leaving a bad taste because the characters go against their personality too easily.
>>35708919I don't think characters in MMDW really go that bad against their personalities. Having her head stuck up her ass is a natural state for Rainbow Cunt, and the rest of M6 actually spend a good portion of the episode gradually getting more and more pissed at her before resorting to drastic measures.
>>35708134Desu I always thought that that episode was MMDW but done better (not great, just better). They actually talk to Dash first, Pinkie's confliction is shown but she still goes with the will of the many to try and talk Dash out of it, Dash is a tough mare and can absolutely take some apparent adversity, and no third parties are at risk since everyone is in on the prank.It still has issues like Dash's pranks going too far even for her (and pranking Fluttershy at all) and the whole premise of beating someone at their own stupid game still being questionable at best, but several problems are removed and it I remember it having some pretty nice character writing (e.g. Pinkie's confliction and I think Rarity and Applejack when they retreat to the barn).Also reminder that the concept of zombies has been canon since S1
>>35706871This is the summary of this whole thread. Some fag took the effort to make a 2-column excel spreadsheet and rate good episodes low, and got 300 (you)s for his effort. What else can you expect from a bunch of brony analysts?
>>35709411>having opinions is bait>actually discussing episodes of MLP on /mlp/ is badDon't you have a borderline ERP thread about sucking Starlight Glimmer's cock to be getting back to? This thread is actually interesting.
>you won't be laughing when you spill blueberries all over YOUR scales... I mean featherswhat did he mean by this
Now that I think about it: dragons are sentient creatures and yet their eggs are used in entrance exams where a student might fuck them up.
>>35708305Lesson zero deserves a 3 just because it fixed the biggest problem with the series up to that point. That being twilight having to be forced into every episode to write a letter.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DISLIKE THIS KINO EPISODE YOU MUST BE BAITINGIt's fucking hilarious how retards here are unable to comprehend that other people have different opinions so they call it bait instead.
>>35709782Blueberries stain hard my dude
Thanks for doing this, OP. As much as this is a "check out my blog" thread, it's valuable for different opinions to be disseminated in this board. A minority of autists have worked to chase off everyone who doesn't unilaterally praise certain seasons (you can guess which ones reside in discussion threads).Good luck with the rest of the show!
>>35709832Absolutely not. You don't fix a problem by lazy, broken means and then get credit for it. There's a million other ways that could have been done without taking Twilight as far out of character as they did, and even more importantly without shoving the concept that Twilight must write weekly in there without having properly established it. Lesson Zero is a mess, even if it does one thing right.
>>35710167Nice I'm having fun with the show and having great conversations here as well.I'm done with S2 and quickly rewatched a couple of episodes of it. The ratings speak for themselves but I want to clarify something about the last two-parter: I wasn't really feeling the first part. I wasn't impressed by Shining Armor, the other of the mane 6 could have been more present, overall it dragged on a bit, still decent and I liked the song.The second part would have been a 3 if the fight had been done better, don't know about you but I would have loved to see more of Celestia vs the Queen. The fight with all the tiny changelings wasn't all that interesting, and the Queen got blasted immediately right after that. Good episode otherwise but not of the same caliber as the two-parter at the beginning or the final episode of the previous season.I'll be ranking the best episodes of each season (so once I'm done I'll also know the best episode of the entire series ), but for the time beingReturn of Harmony Pt 2 > Party of One>>35710424Twilight has gone nuts so many times at this point I feel it's in character
>>35710432Oh also I thought the song in A Canterlot Wedding Pt 2 was great
>>35710438I don't agree with you in quite a few episodes, thinking some deserve more or less points, but the important question is: who is best pony?
>>35710432>The Wedding Two-Parter>less than 3>A Friend in Deed>0Based
>>35710432Twilight's always internalized when losing her mind outside of this episode, a trend that stays true in every other episode outside of this one. It's about time still stays primarily internally contained, and in the previous episodes where she's struggled to keep her calm (Best Night Ever, Look Before You Sleep, Feeling Pinkie Keen, A Bird in the Hoof, Winter Wrap Up) she's always acted internally rather than externally to deal with those issues. It doesn't make sense for her to suddenly buck that trend for one episode then return to it until the inevitable death of her character at the end of Season 3.
>>35710424I meanThe show was released weekly The events of most seasons line up with about a year's cycle of time They might not have overtly stated it, but in general it seems relatively established/reasonable to assume she was writing friendship letters on a weekly basis
>>35710513>but the important question is: who is best pony?I find it easier to express my thoughts on these kinds of topics through autistic spreadsheets so I might make another one about the characters.One interesting thing that I did not expect: I found Rarity to be the character with the most consistent humor. You'd think Pinkie would be the go-to comic relief character but her type of humor is more difficult to write well than just finding another spin on "Rarity is very petty", which (partly thanks to her amazing voice acting) hits the mark every time.If I realize the episode is about Fluttershy or Applejack I am instantly a bit less excited.If I realize the episode is about Rainbow Dash I'm glued to the screen the whole time.Twilight episodes are a mixed bag, Applejack still hasn't gotten a solid plot written about her, and Fluttershy's personality simply doesn't lend itself to many plot hooks. Cutie mark crusaders have the least deep personalities of all the recurring characters and yet I love their episodes, they have a lot of potential for different stories and are always entertaining for me
>>35710693Rarity is probably the most consistent character throughout the entire show. I can’t agree with AJ not having any good plots in the first two seasons, but one of the best AJ episodes is coming up in season 3
>>35710706>but one of the best AJ episodes is coming up in season 3Interesting, I'll look forward to it. I do like her (I like all of the mane 6) but I see her as being better as a support character than having an entire story revolve around her. Twilight, Dash, and Rarity can carry an episode all on their own because of how malleable their personalities are. For a Pinkie Pie, Applejack, or Fluttershy episode to be good they need to be broken because at their normal state they're simply too one-dimensional to make for an interesting plot. Make Pinkie think her friends don't like her anymore, magically turn Applejack into a compulsive liar, and make Fluttershy hyper-assertive and you got yourself good episodes/scenes about those characters, otherwise they kinda lag behind the others.
And as I said already: Cutie Mark Crusader episodes are the GOAT
>>35710706AJ is the one most consistently written if you ask me, mostly because she's down to earth and more often than not "boring"
>>35710752The big thing I've often found is that beyond just personalities, there's a certain division of goals and a sort of drive to the characters that defines which make good character episodes and which do not. Rainbow Dash has one of the most clearly defined overarching goals: she wants to join the Wonderbolts. Her personality, actions, and ideas all connect to this central theme and thus give her an underlying drive some other characters lack. She's an easy character to write in early season lore because she has a very clear cut idea and summary of who she is and what she wants, and because of this clear cut goal she is often able to present as more assertive and has an ambitious driving edge to her personality. Rarity's goal, while more vague, works with her personality. She wants to be a fashion icon and a high-society pony, the kind of pony every pony should know. This underscores her actions; it's why she's willing to get out there and do different things, it's why her actions have a sense of urgency and gravitas to them, it's why everything she attempts feels significant and important. She goes and does things, actively involves herself, has that same drive, that ambition of RD, because she has a clearly defined, communicated goal. Twilight is the protagonist and her goal is simultaneously one of the most clearly communicated and poorly defined: she wants to understand and later spread Friendship. She actively pursues every avenue with a scholarly curiosity and enthusiasm that places her in a variety of situations and justifies forcibly involving herself in social situations one might be compelled to ask "what the fuck is she here for?" in. She has that same drive and edge of RD and Rarity because all three have long-range overarching goals that motivate and define them as characters. (1/2)
>>35710867This is also why AJ, Fluttershy and Pinkie have dull episodes. They all have very short-term goals with clearly defined objectives (when they've any at all) which requires a minimum deviation from their comfort zones. They aren't trying to accomplish something, and only AJ has the overarching motive of "keeping the status quo", a task which maintains itself without any of that afformentioned deviation. AJ just wants to keep the farm running and her kin happy; she isn't trying to breed a new kind of apple or expand the farm or significantly change those around her, so while she's very amiable and down to earth there isn't much push or ambition to her character. Her life is a long series of much the same over and over, so following that life isn't particularly interesting. Fluttershy is even worse; she doesn't just want to maintain the status quo, she's actively terrified of any deviation from it. Not only that, she actively avoids anything dangerous or interesting up to and including character interaction, so the only time she'll do anything beyond "let's feed the animals!" for 22 minutes is when she's FORCED to do something... and even then, she's spending every second of the episode trying to escape from the nightmare of being a character in a show that involves doing scary things and talking to people, her two greatest weaknesses. Pinkie is just... a mess. She has no goals whatsoever, and the episodes that focus on her tend to be less based around accomplishing some overarching goals and more about accomplishing a series of short-term objectives with very little if any significance. She's not trying to keep Sugarcube Corner open; that's the Cake's job. She's not trying to improve her party planning skills; she's already reached the apex of that track, so why bother? She's not trying to accomplish any kind of self-actualization or overarching improvement, she's a speed-noshing squirrel running from one distraction to the next because it's 'fun'(2/2)
>>35710877Very well put, though I think of the three Pinkie is the better one. Yes she doesn't have any goals at all, but really that's not much worse (or worse at all) than goals that aren't entertaining like Applejack's and Fluttershy's.As I said these three are best left as support characters, and IF they get an entire episode it should>have a subplot that ties with the theme but involves other charactersand>bring them out of their comfort zones hardAnd I personally enjoy seeing Pinkie outside of her comfort zone more than Applejack or Fluttershy. Those two don't have a Party of One or a Baby Cakes (others didn't like this but I love it) episode of their own, Pinkie does.
>>35710706>one of the best AJ episodes is coming up in season 3That episode was awful.
>>35710877Basically I see it like this:Fluttershy's personality is TERRIBLE for an episode, but pretty good for a secondary rolePinkie Pie needs very good writing to be able to carry an episode but she can do it, she's also great for secondary roles.Applejack... I don't know. Her episodes are clearly tough for the writers to make interesting, and she's not the best supportive character either. They should have given Applejack's personality another trait, one that clashes with her honesty. Just like Rarity's ambition clashes with her generosity.Maybe that trait could have been selfishness? She's honest and a hard-worker, but doesn't do anything for nothing. Could have worked, or maybe not, but you get the idea: she needed another trait that played well off of her honesty.
>>35710939The trait that clashes with Applejack’s honesty is her stubbornness. She’s very hardworking but pigheaded
>>35710946True, she's also very proud, and that gave us Fall Weather Friends. Hmmm maybe then it's just a case of her potential not being used by the writers
>>35710667Then Season 1 should have had 52 episodes. It took place over an entire year, given Fall Weather Friends and Winter Wrap Up. The lessons don't add up, especially when you consider the events of the preceding Season Opener, which had Twilight reading back her lessons, all of which we'd seen.>>35710939>Rarity doesn't do anything for nothing.Suited for Success, mate.
>>35710949>>Rarity doesn't do anything for nothing.I was talking about a possible trait for Applejack, you misread
>>35710948I dunno, I personally thought she was handled great in the episodes Amy keating Rogers wrote for her. Especially Applebuck season and the last roundup. In those episodes while she is stubborn about things it’s only from a place of honesty and commitment to her family and community.
>>35710953Fair enough, my mistake.
>>35710956Then it must be the subject matter not resonating with me I guess
>>35710993Possibly, to be honest I feel that way about most Rarity episodes. I can recognize they’re good, but they’re never my favorites
>>35710949We only see the parts of the show Hasbro had the time and willingness to make, and making a 52 episode season of ANYTHING isn't gonna fly unless you're funded by Shounen fucking Jump or something, especially considering the toll such an output would take on the staff and fanbase. Plus, they only show us a montage of the events, meaning they'd only show us the parts that matter to the audience; it's not like nothing happens in the show's universe without our explicitly being shown it, as we would otherwise have to be show every single step taken to travel between scenes and no character would be able to do something unless it's explicitly depicted. I mean, it's not like we're shown EVERY single trick Rainbow Dash pulls, every tree Applejack bucks, every Dress Rarity sews or cake Pinkie makes; insofar as could have been practically shown, Twilight wrote Celestia regularly, and there's no reason to assume that the ONLY things written are those explicitly shown, especially if Twilight happened to learn an incredibly mundane lesson that week. Plus, even if it doesn't depict a literal week-by-week transition of Twilight's letter writing, Twilight's been shown to be incredibly anal and hypercritical in everything she does even to her detriment and every single time she's in an episode up to this point she's somehow finagled a letter about friendship out of it so it's very clear she writes regularly. It's established that she does write regularly, it's established she's anal about protocol, so it's perfectly reasonable to then say "she writes Celestia once weekly". Even if that wasn't directly stated prior, it's a logical statement within the context of the show and its characters.
>>35711199It would be, except the very previous episode provided conflicting evidence to that regard, as I stated. Even disregarding that, Twilight is still very out of character through the entire episode, given other elements of what I've stated above. It does get credit for fixing a problem, but as I said, its solution to fixing the problem is still contrived and unhealthy to the environment of the show, it began the trend of pulling elements randomly out of the past that weren't mentioned before that brought about some of the more upsetting episodes in the series and yes, even though we aren't expected to see all of what happens in Equestria, the friendship lessons were the core of what we were supposed to see. That coupled with what happened in the 2 part opener implies that there weren't necessarily letters we didn't see. Still, putting that aside Lesson Zero is just a mess of out of character actions (heck, Twilight in similar situations with disappointing the Princess: See the S1 opener two parter, A Bird in the Hoof, etc.) still never acted anywhere near this, and if you think that her worried about the death of the Princess' PET is less important than not getting a weekly letter, you've got some screws loose.
>>35711677>A Bird in the HoofFucking Hell, I'm getting flashbacks, is pic related still the most grim fucking moment in the show? I went through that entire episode believing it was going to be a lesson about how sometimes you had to accept that pets (or people) won't get better, and was convinced it was going to end with Princess Celestia comforting Fluttershy and helping her accept Philomena's death. Given that assumption, I certainly didn't expect it to actually show Fluttershy being responsible for Philomena's fiery death, I let out an audible "what the FUCK">>35710432Pretty fair. I remember before the S2 finale there was so much bad feeling around it, what with Faust leaving and the obvious toyetic marketing shoehorning of the whole royal wedding concept and Cadence herself (Hasbro was fucking obsessed with having a pink alicorn because they thought that's what little girls wanted) but when I actually saw it I was pleasantly surprised.>The second part would have been a 3 if the fight had been done better, don't know about you but I would have loved to see more of Celestia vs the Queen. The fight with all the tiny changelings wasn't all that interesting, and the Queen got blasted immediately right after that.That's always been my biggest criticism of this two-parter, the drama and tension builds really nicely but the resolution is way too rushed and convenient. Chrysalis has basically won, but then oh, it's deus ex machina time again. And unlike with NMM or Discord, it doesn't actually require any problem solving on the part of the main characters, just Huey Lewis and The News.
>>35711804Did you watch Season 5? There's an episode that's kind of like what you described.
>>35711916I’ve seen everything, no getting off the ride. It’s been a long time since I watched S5 though, which episode do you mean?
>it's not like nothing happens in the show's universe without our explicitly being shown itI know you don't mean it like that, but sometimes in episode threads I had the impression that some people's autism certainly required them being hand-held and spoonfed everything that wasn't outright stated.>>35712472He's referring to Tanks for the Memories, a.k.a. Rainbow Dash and the five stages of grief.
>>35711804I already knew of the myth of the phoenix so as soon as the pet turned to ash I knew what was going to happen.
>>35711677>That coupled with what happened in the 2 part opener implies that there weren't necessarily letters we didn't seeDid anyone ever bother to count the amount of scrolls we were shown in that scene and compare them to how many lessons we were shown? I think this would settle the whole "implied vs depicted" argument.
>>35713602Knock yourself out.
>>35713607I only counted seals and there are already 29 letters, I think this proves there have been WAY more lessons than 20-something that were shown in the s1.
>>35713620>>35713607>>35713602Fair enough. Still doesn't fix the other issues with the episode.
>>35713607I count 95 visible scrolls in that image. Which at a weekly rate would mean Twilight had been in Ponyville for nearly two years by the S2 premiere.
guys we're getting sidetracked here, you shouldn't look for extremely minute details when we're talking about products of humans. Judge the big things (plot, character development and interactions, out-of-character moments, etc) not these tiny things. Obviously they couldn't get that much detail right, they're not machines
>>35710939If you hate applejack now, just wait until you get to the later seasons.
>>35714020I don't hate her, but I do wish she had more going on
>>35714080Here is a guide on whether an applejack episode will be good for the rest of the seriesIf one of the following is true:>The episode focuses on her entire family>The episode focuses on a strange event that only involves her in some wayThe episode will be good. If:>The episode focuses primarily on herThe episode will be bad.
>>35690418>plot is predictable but the character interactions are done wellThis is considered below average? What the hell?
>>35714470I gave up on those explanations, they were too "scientific" and autistic. I was trying to quantify something that cannot be quantified. Also I'm not eloquent enough.Here is the updated legend to the spreadsheet (along with the newest spreadsheet): >>35710432
>>35710432Season 1 doesn't even average at "good." This is good taste. Season 1 is the worst season in the show.
>>35715163Oh? How so? Note: here on the internet, I have to clarify that I'm not challenging you here, I just want to understand your opinion
>>35715441The tone of season 1 is drastically different from the rest of the show, and it hurts the quality of episodes. The biggest problem with season 1 episodes is they often play tropes too safe, even to the detriment of the show.Take something like Look Before you Sleep, it doesn't really do anything new with the sleep over cliche. Now this isn't a problem on its own, but the characters also act in predictable and annoying ways.Later seasons would take risks and a number would fail, but this at least made their bad episodes more interesting. An episode as terrible as Mare Do Well at least gives you something to talk about. What can you say about A Bird in the Hoof?
>>35715490Ah, I get you. Honestly if I had to pick a season that wasn't the BEST, definitely had some HUGE misses, but still had some really good content--perhaps not my favorite season, but had a really diverse and interesting array of episodes--I'd say s5. Sure, it had some REALLY bad episodes, but some of those episodes are on reflection actually really enjoyable (looking at you, Princess Spike) and it just had some genuinely enjoyable episodes.
>>35715723Season 5 is the best. Most of its bad episodes arent even that bad. The only really bad episode from that season is what about discord because it instantly makes the rest of the mane 6 like discord for no reason and off screen.
>>35713620>>35713646>the huge pile includes not only Twilight's letters, but her friends' as well>TRoH actually *is* the series finale and chronologically takes place after the events of S2It all makes sense now.
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How are you getting along OP, /v/fag, anyone else watching for the first time? I'm enjoying seeing first time reactions.
>>35690538>schizo>>>/israel/Go back, shill.
>>35717320OP here, I haven't started season 3 yet because of a personal project taking up my time, but I have to say this is one of the best shows out there.And I say this as someone who has literally zero interest in "waifus", cute things in general, or deep lore. The characters are written well, the stories are written well. I'm loving it and it's one of my favorite cartoons now for sure.
>>35717337Welcome to the ride then, OP. Is Twilight still generally your favorite pony? Or has another one taken her place?
>>35717355I can't decide Rainbow Dash, Twilight, and Rarity. I think Dash and Twilight get the strongest episodes, while Rarity's episodes aren't as consistent she's the best support character and her humor works every time.That's how I see it. The other three fall behind a bit, but among them I like Pinkie the best.
>>35717355>>35717356Oh also I've heard that Twilight gets destroyed in the later seasons so that might have conditioned me to prefer her a bit less. If I hadn't heard anything she might be my favorite probablyAnyways today I'm jumping into S3
>>35717358>Twilight gets destroyed in the later seasons>later seasons>About to start season 3Oh, Anon... you don't know what's coming
>>35717358I'm not a fan of S4-S9 Twilight but maybe you will like her in the later seasons, it all comes down to personal tastes.
>>35717358A lot of people would say Season 3 is where it starts going downhill, I think there are still some pretty good episodes in there. The last episode still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though for reasons you will find out when you get to it.Also, you'll notice it's only 13 episodes instead of 26. In 2013 they also released Equestria Girls where the characters are turned into human teenage girls at a high school so they had to shorten the season of FiM
>>35717369> In 2013 they also released Equestria Girls where the characters are turned into human teenage girls at a high school so they had to shorten the season of FiMThat's not the reason, the reason is that there is an unwritten rule that the new show usually runs for 65 episodes and then it is decided whether it needs to be continued and for how long.MLP S1-S3 is a complete show on its own, that's why they made S3 ending looks like the final episode.And it's much better at it than fucking S9 ending.
>>35717390Oh, my mistake. That makes more sense.I know that Season 3 WAS originally planned as the final one, but then last minute they decided to continue it on past that.
>that newgrounds flashgame-tier gradient
>>35717337Anons warned youYou ignored themNo escapeWelcome to the rideGive it a few months
>to repel the outsiders trying to harm us we must use our history and honor the traditionsThe episode sucks but the veiled politics are solid
>>35717507Are you talking about Crystal ponies?That was the most right-wing episode in the whole show.
>>35717507>to defeat a corrupt and tyrannical leader, we must understand our values and historyI don't think the message works the way you think it does.
>>35717803Right but understand, after so many videogames and movies that spread self-destructive propaganda this is a bit shocking
>>35717507Most of the episodes that deal with pony society in some way have implicit emphasis on the worth of traditional values. Winter Wrapup is another good example of this
>>35717945Winter Wrap up is a terrible example of that. Winter Wrap up shows how an outdated tradition is worthless and only serves to make life harder for everyone involved.
>>35710432Bruh the rates are going to be pretty low in S6, S8 and S9
>>35717950Not him but that shows honoring a tradition feels good in and of itself, no matter how pointless the tradition might be. It unites people.Destroy a culture's tradition (by making them socially unacceptable for example) and you divide all their individuals
>>35710432Thats a pretty good rate, I think it also mostly reflect how /mlp/ as a board see the episodes. Probably just lack some minor details like Dragonshy and Canterlot Wedding being highly rated while you didn't seem to like it. You also liked Show Stopper while everyone hated it.
>>35710432What do you think of Discord so far?
>>35717961Its not exactly a strong showing of a tradition if that tradition is shown to be a hindrance to everyone involved. A tradition makes sense if there is a reason for it to exist and if magic users can simply remove all the snow themselves, it only wastes the time of everyone else.
>>35690418Not gonna lie, that's pretty shitty taste, but what else is new for /mlp/. To each their own I suppose... But pray tell, how is Boast Busters not a 0? I've been watching since 2011 and Boast Busters (along with Season 2's Baby Cakes) was the only episode to make me consider dropping the show altogether. You really think Dragonshy is worse than BB for instance? >what awaits in the upcoming episodes and seasons, without spoilers?Well, judging by the fact that your two favorite episodes so far are Griffon the Brush Off and Sonic Rainboom, I'd imagine you'll quite enjoy many things to come (some of which the brony fandom generally isn't too keen on, might I add). I'd say you're in for a treat when you eventually make it to Season 5.
>>35718004Something one has to acknowledge is that the circumstances in Equestria are... VERY different from those in the real world. While in the episode the Crystal Ponies are saved by their history, it's not due to the value of those traditions inherently (though that's definitely how the show tries to frame it)--the traditions themselves are sort of worthless, or are at least unimportant in what they specifically are. These people have had their past, their lives, everything that made them themselves (as opposed to what made their ancestors their ancestors) taken away from them when Sombra took over. These things aren't important due to the cultural significance, they're important due to the personal significance the traditions have to each crystal pony. It's restoring identities erased by a hostile, aggressive, megalomaniacal autocrat and taking pride in those identities, reclaiming their lives from the depression and oppression placed upon them by said autocrat. Most traditions in the show are effective not because they're rooted in tradition but instead because there's literal magic and shit or because they have political significance to Celestia and Luna who are just... singularly unique when it comes to politics.
>>35718004True but remove the snow in seconds with magic and the whole town loses something. Something not tangible but very important (to the villagers)>>35718061Welcome to the thread bro, I already explained some of my opinions and I'm a lazy fuck so I dont feel like doing it again. I'm starting S3 now, the updated chart is here >>35710432
>>35717983I loved all of his scenes and I hope he keeps getting episodes as fun as the return of harmony two-parter
>>35718065Kinda sounds like an allegory to what the US government did to african american and native americans more than anything and how they have attempted to reclaim their culture once they weren't as heavily persecuted. Not seeing what is conservative about this.>>35718070The villagers didnt seem very happy with the tradition, given how they failed to do it on time every year before twilight helped.
>>35718070Ah, I see. Well, that updated chart definitely paints a rosier picture of your taste. Glad to see someone else who recognizes ACW isn't as amazing as most claim. Return of Harmony is a landmark in quality to be sure. Anyway, I'm genuinely curious to see what you think of the Season 4 finale, as well as Season 5 in its entirety. Just remember to enjoy yourself. There's nothing quite like your first time watching each episode of poni, so don't rush on our account.
>>35718080Would you rather want him to return as villain again as in S2 premiere or would rather see him hang out with ponies like Spike?
>>35718107Villain, MLP needs a joker
>>35718129What if i told you that he would eventually marry one of Mane6?
>>35718141Ssh! Spoilers, faggot.
>>35718141dont do that
So after reading a decent chunk of this thread, I've come to the conclusion that OP likes entertainment media that "subverts expectations". If this is the case, you will absolutely adore the later seasons of the show and especially the unanimously hated Season 9 finale.
>>35719111Unanimously? I dunno, I liked it a lot.
>>35719111S9 was still better than S8
>>35690447First post best post.
>>35690494>one monthThat's a joke, right?Watch the show before lurking, and lurk a full year or two before posting.>>35690529>GatekeepingThe single best thing the Internet has taught humankind.
>>35706854>>35706871I can't wait for AI to remove "meme remixes" and see you get mad when Wojak gets posted but your shit gets you banned, leddit.