If you can, divorce this post from the women element and just try to explain what exactly what Kira Yamato's romantic relationship is trying to convey to the audience to me please. "Just be perfect and you can date an idol"? Why is that so different from the basic romances of characters like Garrod, Domon, Suletta and whatever other AU and then the tragic romances of UC? I hope something actually happens to that relationship in the new movie
>>22250199>I hope something actually happens to that relationship in the new movieIt's guaranteed. This is Fukuda's sendoff for her wife.
>>22250199The relationship to whom? Lacus?>try to explain what exactly what Kira Yamato's romantic relationship is trying to convey to the audience to me pleaseThere's nothing there. Do you ever see Kira acting intimate towards Lacus? Or both of them sharing any sort of mutual appreciation? It's so idealized it turns back around and becomes utterly boring. I'm convinced that the ideas Fukuda/Morosawa had in their heads about everything are a world apart from what they are actually conveying to the audience.It's not really a romantic relationship, but something else entirely. I'll let Morosawa herself explain:>Only Shinn and Lunamaria are truly in love. Kira and Lacus have already settled down (past the "in love" stage)(Animage November 2005)>Lacus is a kind, sort of motherly girl…(Animage April2006)>[Kira] walks away from the battlefield and lets Lacus tend to his wounds like a mother.(Destiny Roman Album)
>>22250428At this point I'm convinced Morosawa is an ayylmao.
>>22250428>>Only Shinn and Lunamaria are truly in lovecute
>>22250428>It's not really a romantic relationship, but something else entirely. I'll let Morosawa herself explain:>>Only Shinn and Lunamaria are truly in love. Kira and Lacus have already settled down (past the "in love" stage)>(Animage November 2005)>>Lacus is a kind, sort of motherly girl…>(Animage April2006)>>[Kira] walks away from the battlefield and lets Lacus tend to his wounds like a mother.>(Destiny Roman Album)This is how you get Full Frontal though. Or at least something like him. Two people who have clearly stopped living for themselves and just exist to facilitate some kind of larger narrative. It's not even air to say Lacus is using Kira nurturing him or something because that would just run counter to the idea of him being the pilot of the Freedom. This is the vessel philosophy being applied to a relationship, that's the best sense I can make of it- Lacus probably isn't even an idol at this point? They are just giant projections- like in the optical sense not psychological. Re: those quotes, well, we'll see if Kira gets injured again lol.
>>22250991Well, Morosawa isn't alive to write the script this time, so maybe whoever executes it brings their relationship down to earth and makes it feel more like romantic love than whatever she was going for.
>>22251014maybe i am making a big deal about nothing
>>22250199It's just fan service and wish fulfillment for viewers. The reason Seed did so well is because it tapped into waifu stuff quite heavily but without letting it overwhelm the entire show.
>>22250199If I had to, I'd say their relationship is built up over their mutual tiring of people thinking they're something they're not. Lacus being that perfect pop idol and Kira being a genius techie. They're both placed on pedestals in their respective circles (Lacus also having that huge fandom) so I think together they found someone who understands the isolation of being at the top in their respective areas. They can be their real self with each other and it was the first time in their lives they both had someone like that. They both were suffering from success and could be the dorky losers they both felt they really were together.
>>22251083Kira seemed perfectly fine being that genius techie. It was when he needed to become a pilot that he started having issues.
>>22251083I don't mean to be offensive here, but you are making up a lot of shit in your head.>people thinking they're something they're notExcept they literally are everything people think they are. Lacus is so important and charismatic for PLANT that Durandal has to create a phony replacement to push his agenda. Kira says to Sai he might not be good at some things, but it never happens. Piloting the Freedom is not really an effort for him and acts like a self-righteous ass to Murrue and the others in the Archangel.>They can be their real self with each other and it was the first time in their lives they both had someone like that.If that was the case, then wouldn't the dialogue bother to point that out? Contrast Lacus to Olga Pataki, who says it out loud to her sister: >You [ie. Helga] must think I’m lucky, all the attention I get from [our parents and others]. I have to perform all the time, like some kind of wind-up doll. I get really sick of it. You’re lucky they don’t even notice you."Does Lacus ever get a moment like that? Her living off the grid in Orb is implied to be for security reasons (with a fully repaired Freedom hiding on the basement), rather than a wish to move away from the public limelight. The latter is, indeed, Kira's case, who is said to be weary of war and fighting.>could be the dorky losersAgain, where is the portrayal of that? They always act like the perfect selves. Contrast that to every other Gundam show, which has its characters in awkward, dorky, humane moments, especially Tomino's shows.
>>22251236>I don't mean to be offensive here, butSo you mean to be offensive.
>>22251237This is fucking 4chan. If you are uncomfortable with getting insulted for your opinions (which are ALWAYS shit), go back to Plebbit's hugboxes.
>>22251236For some reason all of Kira's dorky casual moments were when he was with Cagalli.
>>22251259He had like one or two of those, mostly there to portray Cagalli as a soft "stereotypical anime female" (which are compounded to her moments with Athrun), plus one or two moments where Kira acts like a self-righteous ass to her as well.
>>22250199Imagine if Shinn actually killed Kira during SEED. It could have been glorious...
>>22251541Instead we get the glory of a world where kira magically deactivated the reactor with a big ass lever, like pressing Alt+F4 when you don't want to lose
Neither Kira nor Lacus have any desire for power, but when their lives are targeted again, they set out to stop the battle, and are determined to continue fighting both in the political world and on the battlefield in order to halt the genetic domination plan.If we refer to other Gundam works, this is not a winner's ending.I can't retire from the fight.
>>22251923>Neither Kira nor Lacus have any desire for power, but when their lives are targeted again, they set out to stop the battle, and are determined to continue fighting both in the political world and on the battlefield in order to halt the genetic domination plan.Is this official copy or something?
>>22251923>fighting both in the political worldLacus is not a politician, as much as people want to pretend that is the case. Their faction never tries to solve things through negotiation. She's a terrorist leader and only offers a ceasefire to her foes after her forces win the day.It's not a jump in logic that Durandal claims that she's in cahoots with Logos, given that they've been thwarting the Minerva's operations while on Earth, rather than shooting at the EA forces.
>>22252095It's foolish to try to solve problems with words when the other side is about to abandon negotiations and start a war. Orb is being attacked right in front of me, but words alone won't solve the problem.First, you need the ability to speak as an equal.Lacus always takes the lead on the battlefield and tells people to stop fighting.Their main objective is to stop the war between Orb and Minerva (ZAFT). That's why they are also attacking EA.Cagalli always insists on this, but Durandal ignores her.Another problem is that Durandal admitted to assassinating Lacus.
>>22252277>as an equal.More like "from the vantage point of victory". There is no equality at the conclusion of Destiny.Cagalli always insists on this, but Durandal ignores her.>tells people to stop fighting."Orders" is more like it. As if the forces in the Gondwana had much of a choice, after Kira single-handedly destroyed Messiah.>Another problem is that Durandal admitted to assassinating Lacus.When? We know he tried twice, but was there ever an explicit admission?>Their main objective is to stop the war between Orb and Minerva (ZAFT)No, their main objective is to stop the Destiny Plan. If you had bothered to watch the series, you would've noticed that Lacus is on ZAFT's side during the peace negotiations.>That's why they are also attacking EA.With the exception of Stella's Destroy, they really aren't. The whole final arc is Orb-affiliated forces against ZAFT, with the EA utterly defeated and destroyed; the few remaining forces joining the anti-Durandal coalition.Even the peace negotiations are between PLANT and Orb, with the EA not even a party to them.>Cagalli always insists on this, but Durandal ignores her.Cagalli only met with Durandal once at the start. Later on, it's a more personal animosity against her on Shinn's part; Durandal isn't even present on the important battles. After Cagalli does her little coup against the legitimately elected government of Orb, Durandal is on full-on Destiny Plan mode, willing to blast anyone who opposes him.Also, why do you write like if you were doing slam poetry? Is this some sort of AI bot testing? Some ESL dumbfuck?
>>22252358>but was there ever an explicit admission?There's never a point where he goes "mwhahaha I tried to kill Lacus" (although it has been directly confirmed in interviews) but I feel like requiring that is really reaching. It's pretty clear from his actions and speech that he was responsible even if he doesn't admit it to the camera. And honestly why would he unless he was just talking about his evil plans openly to himself for the benefit of the audience? Do we really need a jarring Persona 5 ish scene where he does that?Durandal pretty clearly does not like Lacus. The only times he speaks positively about her to others is when he's trying to justify Meer to both Meer herself and Athrun. In his private thoughts it's the opposite. But the real kicker is probably his final confrontation with Kira. If Durandal truly was just this innocent guy who wanted peace and never meant any harm to non Logos people and Kira and Lacus were just jumping the gun messing with him all show that would have been the point to demand of Kira what his problem was where he and his girl had been messing with his totally legitimate plan for world peace all show. Instead he basically just tells Kira that he gets he's angry but to calm down for a minute and tries to sell him on the Destiny Plan and then calls him essentially an arrogant shitbag when Kira doesn't want to hear it. That's not exactly the actions of a nice guy who truly respected Lacus and Kira like he claimed but thought they lost their way.
>>22252095>It's not a jump in logic that Durandal claims that she's in cahoots with Logos, given that they've been thwarting the Minerva's operations while on Earth, rather than shooting at the EA forces.Did you forget the episode because they were shooting at everyone. In fact Kira does way more damage to the Orb/EA forces that he does to Minerva's in episode 23, causing damage to Minerva and damaging Impulse and Heine's Gouf vs damaging Gaia Abyss and at least several dozen Windam's and Murasame's to the point where Neo gets a report in the next episode that nearly every single mobile suit they had not destroyed by Minerva's forces was damaged by Freedom.
>>22254390>Instead he basically just tells Kira that he gets he's angry but to calm down for a minute and tries to sell him on the Destiny Plan and then calls him essentially an arrogant shitbag when Kira doesn't want to hear it.Durandal is right. Kira's arrogance is in pretending that him (and Lacus) are just like any regular human beings.Alongside this, when Durandal asks Kira what will he do when the world is inevitably thrown to chaos again, Kira says he will "fight". That's his prerogative, sure, but he is also taking the decision on behalf of the hundreds that will die for his choice to not stop the cycle of destruction once and for all.Kira (and Fukuda in the various interviews) doesn't say that the Destiny Plan won't work, or that it will only create more conflict, but the opposite.Rather, that it's arrogant for Durandal to make that choice in the first place, echoed with that mumbo-jumbo that Kira says to Rey about "living his own life".
>>22254390>(although it has been directly confirmed in interviews)fuck I wish we had scans, transcripts, or a video of this to throw in the face of people who swear up and down Durandal had nothing to do with it
>>22254759>Rather, that it's arrogant for Durandal to make that choice in the first place, echoed with that mumbo-jumbo that Kira says to Rey about "living his own life".It's fitting, in a way. Kira will fight for the "choice" in the abstract, either for Rey to not follow on Rau's footsteps, or the whole world being given a way out of a perpetual cycle of war. However, he doesn't care very much when people decide to throw their lives away, or makes an effort at preventing such tragedy. He an Athrun don't attempt to save, or even say a word to, either Talia or Rey when they commit suicide next to Durandal.
>>22254779From the Destiny Roman Album (https://gundamverse.blogspot.com/2019/09/inside-destiny-intervista-chiaki.html):>>Talking to Durandal, he seems to have the right answer for anyone who questions him.>MOROSAWA: If you listen to him. Even Kira would have thought Durandal was a good leader if he had not attacked Lacus. It is about the difference in receiving information.There's also the other attempted assassination in Copernicus. Or you're going to tell me Meer and Sarah acted on their own, rather than under Durandal's direct orders?
Durandal's destiny plan is to take the lives of those who oppose it and burn the orb. Is there a problem with prioritizing stopping?It is nonsense for Durandal, who is currently trying to genetically control humanity, to ask, "Are you thinking of what to do after you stop me?".It's like asking someone who is trying to stop a criminal who wants to set the city on fire, ``Do you have a plan to restore the city?''
It's funny that Durandal calls Kira arrogant. He is the ultimate coordinator. If that's the case, then for Durandal, who regards genes as absolute, this is truly the pinnacle of existence. He's not arrogant or anything. However, Durandal calling Kira arrogant seems to contradict his plans and thoughts.And even if Kira has good genes, his desire to live peacefully will not be fulfilled. He gets caught up in the war, takes responsibility for his choices, and fights again.It's strange to call him arrogant.Durandal, who distinguishes humans based on genes, is actually closer to a god.
>>22255049We appreciate the effort, but can you write in English? Your post is nonsensical.>It is nonsense for Durandal, who is currently trying to genetically control humanity, to ask, "Are you thinking of what to do after you stop me?".It's not relevant whether you think it makes sense or not, because Durandal does ask Kira more or less that:>だが君が言う世界と私の示す世界、皆が望むのはどちらかな?今ここで私を討って、再び混迷する世界を君はどうしようというんだ?And Kira only says that he is ready to fight, which is not his prerogative. Earth is more or less in ruins by now, and a lot of people want a respite from all the destruction: Durandal has a plan for a lasting peace, whereas Kira's clique only offers indefinite conflict and death.Kira and Lacus repeat "we have no choice but to fight" as a mantra after the announcement, even after Murrue and Kira acknowledge the Destiny Plan would end war.
>>22255164The people of Earth are tired because Durandal overlooked the terrorism and robbery of the MS for his own plans, destroyed the Logos, and exhausted the economic sphere.He knew of Destroy's plans but overlooked them in favor of his own.And the Destiny plan to end the war is simply that the war will end because he and Gene will have a dictatorship.It is a society controlled by genes.There will be no war there. Requiem and Genesis will kill those who rebel.If people all say they want Durandal, why do some of Orb, ZAFT and EA rebel?The people of Earth also do not approve of Durandal's plan. just confused.
fighting for human freedom and dignityDurandal's permanent peace plan is just his match pumpStart your own wars, crush those who oppose you, ignore assassinations, let Destroy rampage, and try to give a plan like a savior when everyone is tired.
>>22255049>>22254390>>22252277A lot has been argued about Durandal's threat to destroy Orb, but the real kicker should've been when he blasted Arzachel.President Copland had asked for a MEETING with Durandal. Instead, he immediately moves to destroy the base. This immediately frames Durandal not as a guy with an overwrought plan to save humanity with some extreme safeguards, but an actual tyrant that is only interested in obliterating his opposition and imposing his will. Imagine if the US had nuked Tokyo the day after the Japanese announcement of surrender and decapitated its national leadership.
>>22255185>>22255195>Durandal's permanent peace plan is just his match pumpThe odd grammar was a hint ("the logos", "the orb"), but "wasei-eigo" Engrish idioms gave you away.Speaking of hypocrisy, isn't it amusing that 2ch blocks foreign IPs, whereas everyone from everywhere can treat 4chan as their designated shitting corner of the internet?
>>22255204Durandal should have created an ideal country with only those who would follow him.However, he tries to force his destiny plan on humanity.That's because I broke up with my lover because of genetics.He seeks to inflict on others the genetic pain he experienced.
>>22255229>Durandal should have created an ideal country with only those who would follow him.One of the Astray stories, Princess of the Sky, goes with a similar idea.Also, isn't that basically describing PLANT? A Coordinator ethno-state where everyone is above average?Durandal's mistake was concerning himself with the destiny of mankind as a whole, rather than focus his effort on his own nation. There was the fertility issue, but even Talia managed to get pregnant.
If things can be decided based on the superiority or inferiority of genes, I think naturals are at a disadvantage compared to coordinators.In that case, the conflict between coordinators and naturals cannot be resolved, right?Durandal doesn't think much about nature...
Why have Elevens suddenly decided to argue about the Destiny Plan with us?
Here's some random footage of a ship getting destroyed from the movie when Sahashi producing some soundtrack
>>22255552Those shapes don't match any known CE ship.
>>22255285The Naturals would have lower end shitty jobs but since they would be stuck in the Destiny Plan and the Destiny Plan would theoretically value everyone no matter how shitty your job was they would theoretically be content with that.
>>22255185Yeah if Durandal truly wanted peace and safety instead of using the war for his own ends he could have nipped Logos and Djbril in the bud long before they started torching everything with Destroy. But he wanted to let them hang themselves so he could take advantage to launch his own crusade.
>>22254759>Durandal is right. Kira's arrogance is in pretending that him (and Lacus) are just like any regular human beings.That's just the standard Japanese way to reply to things like that. Always downplay and insist you aren't better than everyone else, even if you really are.
I feel like the issue is less of whether the Destiny Plan will work or not and just that Gilbert Durandal is the last person that should get to head it after all the sneaky shit he did to get it in place all show. And frankly if he really believed in and only ever wanted it out for the good of humanity then Durandal should have been perfectly willing to let someone else run it so long as it was out there since that was supposedly at all he wanted. At no point in the final battle does he call Kira and Lacus and just say "Alright Mr. Ultimate Coordinator if you think I'm such a terrible guy and don't trust me then you and your perfect girlfriend can run the Destiny Plan. And if you want to let your tiny home island stay out of it that's your choice. I don't care I just want it to be running by someone" As the Ultimate Coordinator Kira would be a shoe in for the job, and Durandal worships he's genetics so much (he tells Shinn post Angel Down that he'd never have been able to defeat Kira's perfect soldier genetics if Kira had been trained to be a merciless killer and not a sad sack that feels bad for the enemy) he should be happy to hand off the role. But Durandal not only wants his plan but he wants to run it. It's not coincidence that his Destiny Plan starter video has a caricature of himself being put in as leader thanks to the plan.
>>22250199I still don't get why he's acting all high and mighty with NTRing his best friend's gf/fiance.also that outburst about naturals being forever inferior to coordinators, I mean yeah it's not false lore-wise but why the fuck would let him say something like that in that particular situation.
>>22254779At this point haters have mostly accepted it but shifted their narrative to "Well he did attack them, but Lacus had Freedom hidden away and a spy network so that made her a military target he was justified in destroying as a threat to his power and authority"
>>22255901I mean it all comes when Kira is more or less at his lowest point in the early goings of SEED. He doesn't want his friends to die and feels responsible for protecting them, but he's also resentful that he's essentially been coerced into fighting by those circumstances and everybody including most of his friends seem to just take it for granted that he'll fight to protect them. It's also when he's becoming cognizant of the fact that he's morphing into a killer on the battlefield which alienates him from his friends, and drives him towards Flay whose false affections he ends up clinging to like a security blanket. Honestly it's pretty believable that given the circumstances, Kira ends up taking out his frustrations like that in a moment when tensions ran high, particularly when it involved cementing his relationship with the only person he believed at the time cared about him as a person, rather than a warrior and source of protection.
>>22255901>>22255918Also something people seem to forget is that Kira just doesn't beat up Sai out of the blue but because Flay acted like Sai is trying to come onto her against her wishes as part as her manipulation tactics. Sure they might have been engaged but that doesn't give Sai the right to put his hands on her when she acts like she's breaking it off and in the stress of the situation Kira lashed out.
>>22255901Frey was saying goodbye to Sai. Kira didn't know about their relationship. I think it's difficult to call it NTR.Sai and the others repeat, ``Naturals and Coordinators are different creatures. There's no way a Natural can beat a Coordinator.'' That drives Kira into a corner.・The reason Lacus sings so well is because she was genetically engineered. There's no effort there.-Kira is a friend of the coordinator, so he doesn't fight seriously.-When Frey said, ``The Coordinator is infringing on nature'' and ``They are the wrong creatures,'' none of his friends denied it.-The Archangel doctor also says that even if Kira collapses, there is no need to worry because he is the coordinator.- When Kira leaves Athrun and returns, Sai says, ``I'm glad you're back.'' It's scary to laugh at Kira, who chose to fight Athrun to protect his friends.
https://twitter.com/fukuda320/status/1724740265888628897>There was CharHeck he meant by this?
>>22256365"My sensibilities are probably different from other people." You got that right
>>22255897>I don't care I just want it to be running by someone>But Durandal not only wants his plan but he wants to run it.If we take Durandal at his word (and, again, the interviews with Fukuda), the Destiny Plan wouldn't need anyone in charge. It's all run by computers automatically. The WMDs are only there to swipe the initial opposition away.
Weapons will likely be used again, given that there will still be opposition.When there are people who are not opponents but are dissatisfied with society or who cause trouble, we need weapons to eliminate them.Does Durandal think all such conflicts will end?That's impossible as long as humans are humans.
>>22257238The idea of the Destiny Plan, as described, is that the world would be freed from conflict. There would be no room for dissatisfaction.Again, I'm going only by what the series itself (and Fukuda) claims. Every other conclusion is just a post-fact analysis by the audience.
>>22255867There aren't that many Coordinators, though -- if there's only 60M in PLANT, there probably aren't more than 100M in the Earth sphere relative to a total population of 15.5B. And they're all going to interbreed or die out. So unless you're a nepo-baby mismanaging a zaibatsu when you should be a janny, most Naturals probably are better off under the Destiny Plan.
>>22257185The show definitely implies someone would be in charge even if the computers did all the calculations for who genes does what. It would just be who the Destiny Plan determines has the genes to be in charge is who would get the spot. There's no AI overlord that would be running things, CE doesn't have that level of tech yet.
>>22257348>There's no AI overlord that would be running things, CE doesn't have that level of tech yet.Oh, yes, there is. PLANT uses AIs in administrative duties.>"Coordinators were well aware that creating administrative professionals would lead to rigidity, corruption, and degeneration of the power structure. The best way to prevent this was to not allow people to remain in power for too long. Although an artificial intelligence specialized in administrative work could handle the duties of a ward mayor, the wise Coordinators set up a system in which the administrative support AI would play only a supporting role, and humans would make the final decisions, without blind trust in machines."
>>22256365Have we reached peak marketing?
>>22257359Man fuck all this. It's impossible to have any kind of real debate on anything because there's so much bullshit behind the scenes stuff that never gets put into the shows or gets pulled up later on. You can never have a solid fact on anything in CE because you never know when some databook might pull something out of it's ass to make you totally wrong. Everyone just shut the hell up about any of this. It's futile. Fukuda can't even make up his own mind on stuff.
>>22257365>Athrun's smiling, but his eyes scream "I woke up 15 minutes ago and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet."
>>22257359Actually sounds like the smart take on current AI. You don't cut your workforce in 1/2 or more and replace them fully with AI. You cut it because the remaining 1/2 know how to use AI well as a tool and are more productive using it.
>>22257347>if there's only 60M in PLANT, there probably aren't more than 100M in the Earth sphere relative to a total population of 15.5B.300 million according to Mechanics & World.
Fukuda is only saying that wars will disappear in a sense, but he is not saying that there will be no conflicts or that there will be no dissatisfaction.
>>22257386FOR FUCK'S SAKE, the technology has only been around for like fifty years, has only been legal for like twenty years, and they have breeding problems. This suggests that like one in twenty or thirty people made their kids Coordies WHILE IT WAS ILLEGAL. Fuck me, whatever. 15B Naturals, 0.5B space monster fucking shits. Unless you're in the top 3% of population, you're probably better off under the Destiny Plan.
In a way the Destiny Plan kind of sounds like the therorectical everybody becomes Newtypes and gets perfect understanding that UC has theorized. It might sound great on paper, and technically would work if it happened but it's just impossible. It's like any form of total world peace, nice in theory but can't happen.
>>22257397There's only 3 generations of Coordinators so far, so make that what you will. The 3rd gens are the ones with fertility problems.
>>22257396>Fukuda is only saying that wars will disappear in a sense, but he is not saying that there will be no conflicts or that there will be no dissatisfaction.I think Fukuda's conclusion is a bit more profound and totalizing than merely "eliminating wars".>It is the negation of all struggle. The Destiny Plan is the final and definitive plan. It doesn't make you dream, it doesn't make you feel the frustration of failed attempts, you don't need wishes. It is the ultimate affirmation, and in such a world, even if there were no more wars, there would not even be a chance for anything to be born. There would not be another tragedy, but joy and love would also disappear. So why live? Kira embraces the possibility of fighting for a world open to hope instead of supporting such a closed system.
>>22257375Given he's a political hobo with two women pulling on his arms it's understandableAlex Dino resurfaced as a coping mechanism
yesterday this was a Durandal thread what is it now?
Even with the introduction of the Destiny Plan, people with superior genes will still rise to the top, so what's different now?The limits of your talent are determined by your genes, and it is determined that you are not suitable for the job you desire.People live their lives without hope.Even after the coordinator goes extinct, there will be no end to the conflict as long as there are differences in talent among nature.But competition itself is not all bad.
>>22257409Supplemental material discussion, something every single SEED thread tends towards
>>22257418Speaking of, does anyone have the new issue of Shukan Bunshun Enta+?
>>22257409/m/ is a Durandal board. Always has been, always will be. The combination of getting cucked, pseudo-rationalism, and imaginary friends resonates.
>>22257433This is like the sixth time you've been begging for that shit. Take the hint: NO, NOBODY FUCKING HAS IT.Go ask on Weibo.
>>22257673Agnes my belovedalso once again Athrun and Kira look miserable while Luna is cheerful and Shinn has a light smile
>>22257717What made Athrun's smile and optimism go away?
>>22257723What does Athrun even have left in his life at this point? He can't really feel comfortable at either ORB or the Plants. The only things remaining for him are his doomed relationship with ORB's tard princess and the manic fangirl who completely upended her own life for him almost on a whim (no, not the one that died, the other one)
>>22250199If Boogie, a broke, obese 48 year old man can get a hot extremely young girlfriend, then there is always hope.
>>22257772I'm excited for the blue tori
>>22257673I see the character art follows the exact same principle as the mecha art i.e, anything that isn't the standing lineart looks infinitely better.
>>22257783>Working undercover>Real name embroidered on tie
>>22254759>Alongside this, when Durandal asks Kira what will he do when the world is inevitably thrown to chaos again, Kira says he will "fight". That's his prerogative, sure, but he is also taking the decision on behalf of the hundreds that will die for his choice to not stop the cycle of destruction once and for all.Utopia is a lie. It cannot be erected by fallen, sinful humans. Only the second coming of a perfect, almighty being can do that. Kira is right to continue fighting against tyranny. It absolutely is arrogant for Durandal, a sinful human, to think he can singlehandedly make the world better if he was controlling everyone's lives. Coordinator genes make you more powerful but not wiser or sinless.>>22254784Life is accepting that this is a fallen world and you can't save anyone. In war you might be fighting against other "innocent" people who would no grudge against you, but you just gotta get on with it and do what you have to do. Obsessing over trying to save everyone possible leads you down to the path of trying to create an impossible utopia and becoming a tyrant. Rey and Talia made their choice and the death star was blowing up. They didn't have time to stand around trying to reason with them or try to haul their heavy bodies back to the Gundam. It was time to go.1/2
2/2>>22255285The natural population will probably be overshadowed by the coordinator population within a few generations, but yes, for a lot of people there will be too much anonymosity from the naturals so balkanization for the time being would probably be for the best. Which is what we see in the show with most coordinators living in their space colonies, and then you have a few places on Earth like ORB where the naturals there do not have a resentment of the coordinators and can live alongside them fine. I expect that one by one, EA countries would begin adopting the gene manipulation techniques and the coordinators would gradually become accepted, until 100 years later most of the human race would have gene splicing in there somewhere.
>>22257788i wonder who it's for
I only now realized that (what is probably) Lacus' ring is back in her possession in the PVs.And apparently it wasn't seen all through Destiny.
>>22250199Kiras relationship with lacus is based on the well-established rule that the male and female leads of the story are obligated to fuck. It's shallow and meaningless, just like how their faction in destiny is constantly preaching about nonviolent conflict resolution while simultaneously blowing up more shit than zaft and feddies combined. And they never even have a plan for ending the war so all they do is prolong it by preventing it from reaching a conclusion with their ill-conceived interventions
>>22257819>Kira is right to continue fighting against tyranny.The facts on the ground on the CE are that Earth is in ruins after the drop of Junius Seven and the war, governments are in turmoil and conflict between Naturals and Coordinators is seemingly endless.It is capricious of Kira and Lacus to sabotage a real chance at ending war (a fact Kira himself acknowledges!). They do not have the right to condemn thousands to almost certain suffering and death in exchange for a fleeting chance of "peace" and "harmony" in some indeterminate future. They don't offer solutions, only conflict and confusion.>It cannot be erected by fallen, sinful humans.>Durandal, a sinful human,>this is a fallen world>Coordinator genes make you more powerful but not wiser or sinlessKeep your biblical dogmas away from these discussions, please.
>>22257821>and then you have a few places on Earth like ORB where the naturals there do not have a resentment of the coordinators and can live alongside them fineThere are practically no Coordinators living in Orb anymore. They fled to PLANT in the first war. Why else do you think Yuna warns Cagalli to be wary of be seen with Kira or Athrun? That whole "tolerance" thing is lip service at that stage. Empty words. Even Erica Simmons keeps her true identity hidden, despite being from Orb and having a top job in Morgenröte.>balkanizationThe word you're looking for is "segregation". You can't balkanize what's already separated.>I expect that one by one, EA countries would begin adopting the gene manipulation techniques and the coordinators would gradually become accepted, until 100 years later most of the human race would have gene splicing in there somewhere.Did you even watch the show? The Earth Alliance tried to nuke the Coordinators thrice. With the level of violent bigotry you see on the series, wide-scale acceptance of gene manipulation is pretty much impossible at that stage. The bitterness cuts very, very deep. Naturals consider Coordinators to be "the monsters of space", especially after Break The World. That's the kind of generational hatred that is simply impossible to overcome, kind of like the animosity you see nowadays between Armenians and Turks.
>>22257851>Keep your biblical dogmas away from these discussions, please.This is how the human condition actually functions, and it perfectly relevant to the discussion.
Destinyplan will not bring lasting peace to humanity.Durandal intends to kill them until no one opposes his plan.I mean, he's also causing a lot of massacres and conflicts.And Destinyplan is not even supported outside of ORB and some countries.they're just confused.Also, Kira initially just wanted to stop the ORB war.That changed when he learned of Durandal's plan and decided to stop it.Without Kira and the others, both EA and the ORBs would have been destroyed by ZAFT, and only Durandal would have won.Just as this man missed burning down Berlin for his plans, he will hurt the Earth for his success.
>>22257877>>22255049>>22255185>>22255195>the ORBsYour English grammar still needs some work, but here's some advice: proper names like "Orb" and "Logos" do not use articles ("the" and "a/an"). You would not say "the Japan", for instance.
>>22257879It's like the world of PSYCHO-PASS, isn't it?In the end, crime and conflict did not disappear in that world either.force was also necessaryFrankly speaking, it seems to me that Durandal underestimates humans and overestimates genetics.To be honest, it's funAt least we can have a decent conversation about Destiny content.Whether you hate it or love itI don't like people who judge it as garbage without knowing the content.
>>22257855Despite being on the main poster >>22257403 here I wonder why Meyrin has been completely absent on the promotional materials after that so far.I don't think she has appeared in any of the trailers either.
>>22257851There is no ultimate solution by sinful humans. We can only await the Lord's return. In the mean time, we uphold his laws and do not commit evil.
>>22257894Before asking you to quit it with your Bible thumping, I'd rather ask politely, what denomination are you?
>>22257887>At least we can have a decent conversation about Destiny content.>Whether you hate it or love it, I don't like people who judge it as garbage without knowing the content.I would honestly prefer to talk about SEED. Destiny is too much of a mess.Personally, I believe the whole thing about the "Destiny Plan" is complete bullshit that was never on anyone's agenda and Fukuda made up at the eleventh hour to force Durandal into the villain's seat and have Kira, Athrun and Lacus as the heroes yet again (who the fuck cares about that little brat Shinn anyway).If you don't count the notebook DaCosta finds on Mendel as a teaser on PHASE-39, the whole thing only appears in the last four episodes.
>>22257895I attend a non-denominational Church (Parkside). Hard to fit us into any one box.
>>22257410 (replied to in >>22257887)>and it is determined that you are not suitable for the job you desire.That's the point of the Destiny Plan. It is a world guided by computers. There's no need for "ambition" or "competition":>常に存在する最大の敵、それはいつになっても克服できない我等自身の無知と欲望だということを。Thus, "hope" becomes unneeded.
>>22257901>the notebook DaCosta finds on Mendel as a teaser on PHASE-39Small tangent for a second. Waltfeld claims that the Eternal isn't capable of fighting even a single Nazca-class, yet we see it emerge from the asteroid equipped with its two METEORs. And those things are fucking monsters, with giant beam cannons and multiple missile launchers.
At least Durandal was depicted as an enemy from the beginning.They're laughing at the fact that the MS was stolen in EP1.He creates a substitute for Lacus and allows her assassination.Overlooking the Berlin attack.I expected Jibril to flee to ORB and attack PLANT, but I didn't stop him.
>>22257877>And Destinyplan is not even supported outside of ORB and some countries. they're just confused.Their priorities are an end to war. And remember that ZAFT and Durandal had accumulated a lot of goodwill across the people of the world ("match-pump" scheme notwithstanding)>both EA and the ORBs would have been destroyed by ZAFTThe EA has already, by all practical effects and purposes, ceased to exist as an organization:>Break The World threw the world into turmoil>There was an ongoing conflict between the Atlantic Federation and Eurasia, on which the Minerva intervened>the EA's hardware is trash: the Windam's alleged high-performance is pure marketing copy.>the Destroy's rampage devastated Europe and triggered popular uprisings against Logos>the Republic of East Asia's forces defected to ZAFT's side for the battle in Heaven's Base>all of the EA's major military bases on Earth and space were destroyed either in the first war (JOSH-A, Ptolemaus) or the second (Heaven's Base, Arzachel, Daedalus), with the Atlantic Federation's civilian leadership dead and their military obliterated, including the few who had decided to join Orb's forces against Durandal.>the final peace treaty is between Orb and PLANT, without the EA
Doesn't that mean the world has no choice but to follow Durandal and not stand up to his dictatorship?The people of Earth were confused>Even Durandal's accumulation of goodwill could not deny the confusion.And they will have to follow Durandal because their economy was destroyed by Durandal's plansIf you resist, you will be attacked from space.
>>22257925The obvious conclusion is that Durandal either was directly behind, or had foreknowledge of, everything that happened (with the exception of Kira, Lacus and their gaggle):>the Gundam theft on Armory One>the terrorists that dropped Junius Seven>the hit on Lacus (replace her with Meer)>the Destroy's rampage>the second hit on LacusThere is this scene, where Durandal calmly looks sideways at the Council member after Requiem fired, only to get (conveniently) furious a split-second later. It seems to indicate that even that was a part of his master plan.
>>22257930>Doesn't that mean the world has no choice but to follow Durandal and not stand up to his dictatorship?Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Earth was defeated and exhausted by the war. If we remove the Kira/Lacus/Orb clique from the equation, people would rather accept the de facto tyranny of the Destiny Plan and have a chance at living over further acts of resistance.Imagine it's 1990. Would it have been more humane for Kuwaitis to fight to the last man, instead of trying to make a living under Saddam's rule?
However, reality and fiction are different.There is no guarantee that peace will ever be achieved under Durandal's politics, nor is there any guarantee that the conflict with the rebel army will end.Or will people continue to enjoy living as slaves to their genes forever?
>>22257930>>22257925>>22257887>>22257410>>22257238>>22255925>>22255285>>22257968Since you seem to be Japanese, why don't you do us all a favor and help us hunt for old issues of Great Mechanics?http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#531http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#495http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#568http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#629http://archive.2ch-ranking.net/shar/1354463321.html#964Learning about the CE's background and technical lore is a much better use of everyone's time than further arguing about Durandal's (ie. Fukuda's) cockamamie ideas.
>>22257991Don't make me say the same thing over and over again.
>>22257991CE background and technical lore is all crap because it has to work with Fukuda’s ideas
>>22257914Likely more attributed to the fact they have zilch for Mobile Suits?At that point, I think they only have Waltfeld's Gaia on the ship.Strike Freeedom and Infinite Justice are out of the question as those are specced solely for Kira and Athrun, plus no one on the ship could do Kira's on-the-spot OS rewrites as fast as the man himself.
Kira is the villain.
>>22258193Would be accurate from the perspective of pretty much anyone that isn't the Kingdom of Scandinavia and ORB.
Can we expect a new trailer from this in three days?
>>22257962I don't think that's a proper comparison.
>>22257914They're stuck to Eternal as basically fancy turrets with a limited angle of fire because they can only swivel in a round motion. In order for them to really make use of being high speed mobile fortresses they need to be attached to one of the Gundam's.
>>22257869>With the level of violent bigotry you see on the series, wide-scale acceptance of gene manipulation is pretty much impossible at that stage. The bitterness cuts very, very deep. Naturals consider Coordinators to be "the monsters of space", especially after Break The World. That's the kind of generational hatred that is simply impossible to overcome,That's not entirely true, as Durandal's Zaft combined with Djbril going more and more off the rails causes many Earth nations to be fine with Coordinators. There's scenes of Zaft troops moving about areas with the locals mentioning how much more polite and easy to deal with the Zaft people are compared to "Those Alliance soldiers" and Djbril starts his whole torching of Europe campaign in the first place because they were making nice with Zaft and he was going to force the nations of the Earth to consider Coordinators enemies whether they liked it or not or they'd all die.
>>22258668>There's scenes of Zaft troops moving about areas with the locals mentioning how much more polite and easy to deal with the Zaft people are compared to "Those Alliance soldiers"And yet it is pointed out that they aren't exactly comfortable with Coordinators:>コーディネイターなんてやっぱりちょっとおっかない気もするけどさあ、あの乱暴者の連合軍に比べたら全然マシだよ。ちゃーんと紳士じゃないか。
>>22258668>as Durandal's Zaft combined with Djibril going more and more off the rails causes many Earth nations to be fine with Coordinators.>Djbril starts his whole torching of Europe campaign in the first place because they were making nice with Zaft and he was going to force the nations of the Earth to consider Coordinators enemies whether they liked it or not or they'd all die.This is what I mean by "ZAFT's campaign of goodwill". They were clearly being portrayed as the good guys in this conflict, and while Durandal had his own agenda, Logos was brutal enough on its own without ZAFT in the middle.
>>22258977>They were clearly being portrayed as the good guys in this conflict, and while Durandal had his own agenda, Logos was brutal enough on its own without ZAFT in the middle.This is why I say the Destiny Plan is a load of bullshit that was only made up to make Durandal and Shinn the villains against Kira/Athrun/Lacus. Shinn does something obviously heroic, but Athrun scolds him for that.And you want to know the worst fucking part of this? That Fukuda is a moron and wants to manipulate people that it wasn't really the case. From the Roman Album interview:>>Does Athrun usually reprimand Shinn to make him see reason?>FUKUDA: Not exactly. It's a production error if it gives that impression. The Shinn that Athrun sees is a helpless creature in any case.
>>22259015Durandal was always portrayed as shady from the start. If anything him having a misguided world changing plan instead of just being another evil wannabe conqueror was the plot being generous to him.
Why does Kira need to downgrade from the Strike Freedom if it is spotless by the end of SD? They didn't care about the treaty then but now they are following it. Why not stop pretending & face the Skittle squad full force from the get go.
>>22260939Fukuda is undergoing real life character development, unlike Kira
>>22260939they didn't care because they were saving the world as an independent party. there was hardly a need to follow those kinds of rulesnow presumably he is part of a real military
>>22260939Because now it's peacetime and they're trying to convince the world they were the better option than Durandal and they care about their image more.
>>22261005>>22261062>>22261062I think that's where they are going. During the previous war, Lacus and her group were basically independent vigilantes. This time around, however, COMPASS (if they're going with that name) appears to be some sort of established peacekeeping force, so they can't violate treaties any longer.As for the leaked upgrades, I see either of two scenarios happening:>Somehow, Lacus loses the support of the people and her organization is purged, meaning she's back to working underground and unlock the old SF and IJ to save the day once again, plus some extra bits>SF and IJ are upgraded with some fancy and clean non-nuclear fission powerplant (fusion? positron?), meaning they don't need a Neutron Jammer Canceller, so they aren't bound by the treaty
>>22261355They'll probably just break them out as a desperation tactic mid way, when either the enemy deploys a nuclear Gundam first so they're justified in countering it or stuff just gets so bad that Zaft's council gives them permission to use them again so long as they stop the crisis.
>>22261385>the enemy deploys a nuclear Gundam firstIt's asking a lot here, but I would seriously give points to this thing if Fukuda breaks his dumb CE tradition/fetish of "giving every faction gundams because gundams are the super most powerful ever".
What will be the enemies final suit upgrade?A whole new MS, full armor add on or something else?
Basically it confirms that women lack loyalty or accountability when Kira fucks over 2 of his so-called friends when he willingly hooks up with Flay and Lacus. No surprise since many Japanese women are into cheating.
>>22261355>COMPASS (if they're going with that name)The Metal Build figures have COMPASS markings on them which would pretty much say that yeah that's the name of their group now
here's common opinion from Japs for you faggots: they see them as high-stress couple, if you even call them couple.Kira wants to protect Lacus because of his trauma losing Frey, and Lacus feels guilty because knowing all the things he went through she still sends Kira out to be a warrior. She probably feel relived that tiny bit by managing to send Athrun alongside him.Lacus is completely a Shojomanga stereotype, she just wants to be a waifu. take a look what she was doing before Kira had to fight again to protect her: cooking, raising orphans, cooking with Kira's mom, farming, while keeping Kira at her side.I think Kira's thought would be interesting. So far his resolution to protect Lacus is complete storywise, but is his feeling for her love or not.
>>22261425Another question. What is Mwu going to pilot? We know he's a pilot of Compass we've seen his pilot suit and him hanging out in the Hangar in the trailer.
>>22262770I'm going to guess the Impulse
>>22262770What's Akatsuki doing? Even if he returned it to ORB it'd be a bummer if it just sat collecting dust in the hangar again
>>22262820Akatsuki belongs to the Atha family as a national treasure of Orb so they probably can't use it in their global peacekeeping task force.
>>22262860unless orb donates\lends it to them as some kind of show of unity for the sake of world peace
>>22262820>>22262865They probably didn't want to keep using it for the same reason they likely shelved their OP nuclear Gundam's in favor of local built weaker variants. To make a show to the world that they're not just a Lacus/Orb goon squad forcing the rest of the world to bow to their whims but actually give a damn about everyone something that as people love the point out they definitely didn't look like in Destiny. They want to look like they won't risk Plant getting blown up to keep Orb under their friends control so using the princess's personal MS would make them look biased
>>22262566>because of his trauma losing FreyIs Fllay even a factor in Kira's life during Destiny?>and Lacus feels guilty because knowing all the things he went through she still sends Kira out to be a warriorThat's a fancy interpretation of events. What I mean by that is that the series should have made that more explicit. Even Rie Tanaka has said, repeatedly, that the character is difficult to understand.>Lacus is completely a Shojomanga stereotype, she just wants to be a waifu. take a look what she was doing before Kira had to fight again to protect her: cooking, raising orphans, cooking with Kira's mom, farming, while keeping Kira at her side.If that is the case, then why is her figure portrayed as omnipotent influence that even Durandal has to use to push his agenda? Why did she go back to PLANT to take charge instead of tasking a successor (for instance, Waltfeld) in the leadership role? There's a clear dissonance here.Regardless, this correlates with the head writer, Chiaki Morosawa. On an interview in Animage, she had expressed that she always wanted to be a homemaker for her kids. It was Fukuda who dragged her to act as a writer for his anime projects.
>>22262870>To make a show to the world that they're not just a Lacus/Orb goon squad forcing the rest of the world to bow to their whims but actually give a damn about everyone something that as people love the point out they definitely didn't look like in Destiny. They want to look like they won't risk Plant getting blown up to keep Orb under their friends control so using the princess's personal MS would make them look biasedIt's not much of an improvement from before. They went from two ZAFT-derived units (SF and IJ) and one Orb's (Akatsuki), to a fully ZAFT-equipped force. Which is pretty much the same as what it was during the battle against Durandal, except for the uniforms and markings.
All complexity of Kira's character post Aegis self-destruct or, at absolute best, post Freedom vs Providence is pure conjecture
>>22261472The whole thing with Sai is an asshole move from whatever angle, but Athrun didn't care very much for Lacus, other than as a family friend. They were never in love.There's no romance between them, and all of his interactions with her are awkward (picture is the limit of their intimacy). Their engagement was an arranged affair between the families.
>>22263039All the new mobile suits their group uses are 3rd faction built now, hence why they don't have Zaft or Orb model numbers
>>22263110SF, IJ and the DOMs were built by Terminal's "Factory", but they are still direct derivatives/descendants of ZAFT development.>hence why they don't have Zaft or Orb model numbersAlso, assuming Impulse Spec II keeps the old ZGMF code, we don't know the models numbers for GELGOOG or GYAN yet.
>>22263140Yeah but we already know from some of the streams that they aren't just more direct Zaft designs. Rising Freedom's wing cannons for example are Agni cannon, Alliance tech.
>>22263167So Athrun and Meyrin are working for Terminal, which I guess is finally getting an actual explanation of what and who exactly it is. I guess that means Shinn really is piloting Justice now, since Athrun is supposedly not part of the group officially.
>>22263165>Rising Freedom's wing cannons for example are Agni cannon, Alliance tech.Orb tech. The GAT-X series were designed and built by Morgenröte.
>>22263172>means Shinn really is piloting JusticeCould be Mwu La Flaga piloting it. Remember Kira and Mwu were partners in Season 1 of Seed and supported eachother in combat.
>>22263172explains Meyrin's new style lolthey looks totally like the MILF next door, totally inconspicuous.
>>22263190Actually the Alliance designed them and their tech, but Orb and Morgrenrote collaborated and provided the material and location to help them build it in exchange for learning the tech and duplicating for themselves. That's why the Astray series didn't have Phase Shift as it wasn't something they were able to figure out/steal in time. But the original technologies were EA invented, unless that's been retconned
>>22263227>but Orb and Morgrenrote collaborated and provided the material and location to help them build it in exchange for learning the tech and duplicating for themselvesThat doesn't make sense. Why would the Atlantic Federation go through all the trouble of working with Orb's Morgenröte if it isn't to take advantage of their industrial expertise (with the exception of some black-boxed technologies like Phase Shift and Mirage Colloid)? What are they gaining in that deal?
>>22263320I always thought it was because Orb had Heliopolis as "neutral" space territory to host the GATX prototypes there for space use trials, since PLANT might think twice about stepping on the toes of non-EA nations. The Gundam project was an Atlantic Federation-led project and I think the AF didn't want to use the Eurasian faction's Artemis asteroid as the testing base if they could avoid it since they saw the Eurasians more like rivals in the same organization? Apparently the Atlantic Federation would literally prefer to deal with Orb, an outsider that was a small yet advanced nation that maybe they thought would be submissive and easy to bully, instead of working together with the Eurasians.
It is now Cosmic Era (C.E.) 75, but warfare still continues to rage on even at this time.Independence movement, and invasion by the Blue Cosmos...To deal with these predicaments, a World Peace Supervision Organization known as COMPASS with Lacus as the founding leader has been established.Kira and the others, as its new members, intervenes into various battles.However at that time, an emergent nation known as 'FOUNDATION' appears, and they propose a joint operation to attack the Blue Cosmos Headquarters.
>>22263320Mostly the neutral ground that they thought would hide the development from ZAFT and they hoped to make use of Orb's hidden coordinator programmers, such as Kira, to solve their OS problem. The project Kira and his professor were working on in the first episode was unknown to Kira actually part of the OS development.Unfortunately for EA this failed badly, since Zaft found out anyway and Kira's school were unable to fix the OS problem before the place was destroyed. Presumably Kira had trouble because the work was being given to him in bunches and he didn't actually know what it was for, since once he's actually told "Write an OS to make piloting easier for Naturals" he's able to do it rather easily.
>>22263667>However at that time, an emergent nation known as 'FOUNDATION' appears, and they propose a joint operation to attack the Blue Cosmos Headquarters.So they're Eurasian (probably Spanish, maybe eastern Turkish, white but with Arab-ish architecture) and claim that they want to go after Blue Cosmos and the Atlantic Federation for fucking with them. Probably Durandal supporters, or bringing Shinn "Screams At Heads Of State Like A Lunatic" Asuka to meet them wouldn't make sense. And then... what? They backstab Compass in revenge for Kira and friends taking out Durandal?
>>22263797>Presumably Kira had trouble because the work was being given to him in bunches and he didn't actually know what it was for, since once he's actually told "Write an OS to make piloting easier for Naturals" he's able to do it rather easily.The fact that he already got loads of hands-on experience with the machine helped as well.
>>22263802The whole Blue Cosmos setup is probably a trap
>>22263853I don't think so. Who else is sick enough to put the Destroy in operation again?My guess is that they'll be the first-act villains: easily swept aside, only for Foundation to make their move against COMPASS.
>>22263857"Foundation sics Compass on Blue Cosmos, then pounces on Compass and kills Agnes" seems plausible.
>>22263870It’s gonna be Murrue who dies
>>22264078Impossible, she needs to have another underdeveloped rivalry with a third rival ship captain
>>22264078Murrue is still alive when Kira has his breakdown in the trailer. She's one of the ones calling out for him to stop
>>22264091That could be from earlierWe know the Archangel is destroyed
>>22263320>(with the exception of some black-boxed technologies like Phase Shift and Mirage Colloid)Those aren't black box technologies ya weirdo. Everyone knows about them now. It's public information. Just like how everyone knows about the Njammer chancellor since Rau shared Freedom and Justice specs publicly with the EA
>>22250199I wish I could say it was like that newtype thing where they just sort of understand each other, kind of like Lalah and Amuro or Char. But because to this day nobody can tell me what the SEED factor is outside of basic asspull fuel like a sharingan, there’s no way for me to verify.
>>22264955>Everyone knows about them now>nowPhase Shift and Mirage Colloid were black-boxed during the original development of the first GAT-X series. That's why the Astray series don't have them.
>>22265095Notably Zaft and Orb only get the technology by stealing (or borrowing in Orb's case) some/one of the Gundam's and getting to reverse engineer it. That tech was EA exclusive till then, because it was their biggest edge against Zaft.
>>22257846The plan, if we follow Rau's monologue, is making people watch Kira being a gary stu, when people realize how perfect he is they will want to be like him. So yeah, just let Kira blow up shit, people will eventually GET IT.
>>22260939More model kits, come on man. If they had enough time, they would give Kira another Strike first.
>>22265157Anon, there are two Freedoms and Justices in this movie.
>>22264967>because to this day nobody can tell me what the SEED factor is outside of basic asspull fuel like a sharinganhttps://web.archive.org/web/20050422005757/http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/ce/background/glossary_misc.html#seed"Those who possess the SEED factor have the ability to advance to the next stage of human evolution".So yeah, that means Kira and the rest of the main characters are literally one step above the evolutionary chain.
Shinn is so cool...
>>22265277>Shinn is so cool...
>>22263060Arranged marriages are always like that. Despite Athrun's awkwardness with her, they genuinely had fondness for each other and Kira should've taken a step back after the Fllay-Sai shitfest and not fuck over another best friend of his. Honestly, it's worse to be a friend of Kira than his enemy. Tolle = gets killed. Sai = gets cucked. Athrun = cucked too. This is why I like Canard way more than Fukuda's Gary Stu.
>>22265439>Tolle = gets killed.TOLLE WAS 16, HE LOVED TO ___
>>22265176This shit brings me way back to when I was in high school. Why did they shut down the official Gundam forums?
>>22265451Didnt they close after Destiny aired? I remember reading here someone insinuated that the main reason was likely the massive backlash the ending got from the western fanbase and Bandai just decided ‘well guess america doesn’t like Gundam’ and called it quits
>>22265455Probably. That was so long ago that I barely remember.
>>22265439>Athrun = cucked tooAthrun was not "cucked", you stubborn motherfucker. Lacus doesn't describe him as her "boyfriend". It's entirely different from the situation between Sai and Fllay; the latter actually had feelings for her.>Arranged marriages are always like thatForced upon the poor kids?>Despite Athrun's awkwardness with her, they genuinely had fondness for each other "Fondness" doesn't mean they had romantic feelings for each other.
>>22265480Regardless, it's another slap in the face to a friend. Especially after he just did it to another one. FYI, you're probably Western raised. My parents were from an arranged marriage. I agree that it's an archaic practice but it was part of their culture. They told me that being married and becoming a couple took time and effort, but it eventually blossomed into love. Especially after having kids and raising the family together.It wasn't until the last 100 or so years that marriage for love was something that got popularized. Pre-20th century, marriages were primarily done for political alliances if you were from noble families or politicians (like Athrun and Lacus) or economic reasons (most women had to be married off so that someone could take care of them). Also it's obvious you have no sense of decency because anyone would've regretted what they did to Sai and not repeat the same mistake with Lacus-Athrun.
>>22265541>Regardless, it's another slap in the face to a friend.>because anyone would've regretted what they did to Sai and not repeat the same mistake with Lacus-Athrun.It would've been regretful or insulting if any of the parts cared. Because they clearly don't, there's no fault here. Morality and decency don't work on a vacuum.In all of the time I've been in this threads, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complaining about "cuckoldry" in the Kira/Lacus/Athrun case.>FYI, you're probably Western raised.Stop pretending, gringo. Your obsession with "cuck this" and "cuck that" gives the game away.
>>22265161And if Shinn wasn't around, he would have his Strike back too.
>>22250991Full Frontal at his most weirdo is like one of the most sane Seed characters though.>>22255249I mean PLANT/ZAFT was just speedrunning a Clanner LARP. They just never got to the SibCo degeneracy phase and establishment of the caste system but everything they seemed to be doing aimed to that way. >>22257185Supercomputers programed by humans who set the "Ideal" conditions and variables. To believe that wouldn't be without biases is foolish at best. And it'd probably have it's fair share of bugs to pick out and well when you're having God Program determine the fates of everyone well. Just hope it doesn't decide everyone named Larry to be sent to work in sewers no matter their other genetic qualifications.
>>22265607>speedrunning a Clanner LARP>SibCo degeneracyA what? Nothing of what you said made a lick of fucking sense.
>>22265607>Full Frontal at his most weirdo is like one of the most sane Seed characters though."Establishing an economic blockade of Earth" is too sensible for the Cosmic Era. PLANT could perfectly afford it.
>>22265632Yea but they'd want to like add some EVIL twist to it or something because everyone in the Cosmic Era is going for max genocide route.And really CE doesn't even got megacorps like Anaheim or the extremely powerful agency like the Jupiter Energy Fleet able to fuck up things.
>>22265451>Why did they shut down the official Gundam forums?Because back then Social media wasn't a thing yet. Companies had to pay money to maintain forums and servers. Bandai Namco is a notoriously cheap company when it comes to spending. They will not spend 1 cent more than they absolutely have to. Once Gundam Seed Destiny was done airing, then they felt there was no reason to continue paying for the forums. This is the same story across anime, video games, etc. So many games I used to play had forums and they all disappeared when the company decided to stop supporting the game.
>>22258950Was a Reference
>>22265632So sensible that someone called him out for but being crazy enough to be the real Char.
https://twitter.com/fukuda320/status/1726335497021387138"Shinn and Kira's relationship is just beginning. By the way, Shinn's last battle was really cool. (Subjective)"
>>22266334The large contingent of Nicol fans must love this
I mean, Athrun was also in love with Cagalli, so it's not NTR. His engagement with Lacus had been broken off.
>>22265613He means the Clans from Battletech, who manipulated their DNA and value genes above all else. Despite being ostensibly better than natural humans and having superior tech, their backwards thinking and ideology and practices led to their defeat time and time again.
>>22266503Battletech lore is the one kooky stuff I'm not touching.
>>22265439I interpret it this way that Lacus gave Athrun a soft no the very first time they met.It is in those bonus drama CD. Lacus said to Athrun, 'Your hair color is blue, my hair color is pink, so our child shall have purple hair color?'.But I also see Lacus as a person who have some sort of camaraderie with Athrun, not as romance, but something that is pretty advanced level in terms of people relationship. Or maybe its just because the directors want it this way for the show? I never tried to find out how to reconstruct their relationship to see what they represent in terms of art of theater.
>>22265480Ah by the way the voice actors seem to mostly be supporting Lacus x Athrun.I faintly remember one even said in radio broadcast show that 'I am gonna kill these 2 fuckers'.
>>22266771The reason I said that's a soft no is that, after Athrun's imaginable confounded response, Lacus said something roughly as 'Let's take it slowly and think about it, ね?'
Please tell me there's still hand-drawn mecha animation in thisAll of the mecha stuff in the PVs have been CG so far...
I was looking for stuff about Argentina's recent presidential election and found this instead:https://www.junius-seven.com/I dunno about you, but it's kind of like calling a militaria store "Enola Gay" or "Boxscar".
>>22261472>incel thinks SEED is like reality
>>22250199>self-loathing loser who constantly denigrates himself for winning the genetic lottery pisses off millions of people>he continues ranting as he nails a space pop idol, overthrows governments and constantly stomps over every pilot everWhat a fucking infuriating counterintuitive character. Its like he's practically designed to be cheered against and loathed.
>>22268321 Holy shit the wings of words poster is back?! how many years has it been? 2010?
>>22268321Fuck this guy is alive still? I thought he stopped posting wings of words a long time ago
>>22268321Fuck off wings of words poster why did you come back now? he Seed community hates your spam!
>>22268321LAMO LETS FUCKING GO HIS BACK!!!
>infamous poster returns all these years to start a whole new generation of spam the new kids aren't ready for him
Why does nearly no one likes Wings of Words?
>>22268335If Lacus returns, I don't know what I'd do.
Great....... the stupid wings of words asshole is back after a fucking decade
I'm sorry I'm still new to seed who is the " wings of words poster"?
>>22268350Same anon who would spam wings of words opening all the time didn't matter which version he did it from like 2006-2011 and just magically stopped I guess with the new movie coming he probably thought " its time to come back"
>>22268341When the first notes hit, you immediately think that it shouldn't be a SEED OP song.
I forgot how much they slowed down the frames in Wings of Words when it gets to the shot of Athrun being a manwhore
>>22268341I like it :)
>>22263009>Is Fllay even a factor in Kira's life during Destiny?No, she’s never mentioned in Destiny. You could gleam that Kira’s stoic personality in that show is trauma over losing her but it’s probably just a general numbness after the bloodbath of the last war. Funnily enough Fukuda seems to have a soft spot for her so it’s odd she’s never so much as alluded to in Destiny bar stock footage > What I mean by that is that the series should have made that more explicit. Even Rie Tanaka has said, repeatedly, that the character is difficult to understandThere’s an ooolllddd interview Fukuda gave at some uni after SEED ended where he says that Lacus was the only character who didn’t change throughout the whole story and that he and Morosawa are the only ones that truly understand her. I wish I was making that up (he also says Mwu and Rau are the last Newtypes in the same interview, I’ll try and dig it up) > If that is the case, then why is her figure portrayed as omnipotent influence that even Durandal has to use to push his agenda? Why did she go back to PLANT to take charge instead of tasking a successor (for instance, Waltfeld) in the leadership role? There's a clear dissonance here.It’s probably just Destiny’s weird writing but I do think she might have subconsciously imprinted herself onto Lacus. It might not have been intentional but the parallels you can draw from the comparisons (both of them are dragged back into the fray when they want to just spend time with their families and live quietly) but that’s pushing it a bit. Regardless it does make the accusations that Kira and Lacus are nothing more than self inserts more credible in hindsight
>>22268392>he and Morosawa are the only ones that truly understand herIsn't that THE hallmark of a bad writer, when they completely fail to convey a character?
>>22268394Found it. Interview with Fukuda at Kyoto University 2003>Q: About Lacus? >A: People say they don't really understand Lacus and even the staff don't. Only I and Morozawa know her. Her personality never changed from the start. Some other tidbits of weird info: >Q: Are Mwu and Raww Newtypes? >A: Both are the last remaining Newtypes. They were the last Newtypes in the world so I wanted to write a story where non-Newtype people try to solve the problem. >Q: About Fllay? >A: I thought of 2 ways to keep Kira attached to Fllay. One was to give Fllay a big scar on her face and other was sex. I wonder if I should have given her the scar *laughs* >Q: Any influence/ideas from other Gundam? >A: Before I started, I watched CCA and F91. I watched the first ep of X and returned the video. *laughs* >Q: Who does Kira like? >A: He doesn't really like either of them (Fllay and Lacus). http://aeug.blogspot.com/2003/11/?m=1Scroll down to ‘more fukudaism’ to see the interview
>>22268399>They were the last Newtypes in the world so I wanted to write a story where non-Newtype people try to solve the problem.>Actually no Kira is a newtype lolEvery time this man speaks he reveals a new way he screwed his writing up
>>22268399>He doesn't really like either of them (Fllay and Lacus).Shinnbros, it's a small victory but we'll take what we can get
>>22268399>Q: Who does Kira like? >A: He doesn't really like either of them (Fllay and Lacus). 20 years of merchandising, shilling and doujins built on a lie
>>22268403It’s been a long road, brother, but there was finally a light at the end of the tunnel
>>22268403>Fucked Luna so hard that she gave birth IRL>Small victory
>>22268403>>22268405>>22268406Suzumura truly had the flawless victory
>>22268339Yo is that the wings of words anon post? His back after all theses years?
>>22268404Imagine it, while Kira's doing the nude ribbon pose thing with Lacus in his head there is not a single hint of romance, sensuality or even primal lust. I guess he always was more attracted to Athrun.
is this some kind of /m/ lore I'm missing? who is the wings of words poster? I'll admit I was never part of /m/ back in the day
>>22268410Kira unironically had better chemistry with Cagalli, but got cucked by his genetics.
>>22268410>>22268404>I guess he always was more attracted to Athrun.The Fujos won
I for one welcome back the WoW poster, the more people realise it’s the best CE song the better
>>22268409Residual shitposting? Is this the power of the SEEDe?
>>22268426It has to be why else would this guy come back after all these years?
>Wings of Words poster is backWelp time to leave /m/
Do you think he's ever listened to the second half of "wings of words" or does he just watch the op on loop
I feel like Fukuda is trying to be like Tomino in interviews by dropping weird tidbits or odd factoids but some of the stuff he says makes him sound either genuinely retarded or like he didn’t even watch his own show. That ‘Cagalli was the MC of Destiny’ bit he dropped a few weeks ago seemed evident enough that he has started to lose his mind but given how >>22268399# is a 2003 interview it seems he was always off kilter
Why is Shinn Not using a new Destiny Gundam yeah I know he plots the immortal Justice but once Athrun comes back his he just gonna use a downgraded Impulse? or Gyan? like what the fuck give him a eternal Destiny or something why does Fukuda hate him so much
>>22268519Don't fret, Shinn will shine properly in a Seed Freedom sequel
>>22268523Oh yeah? how
>>22265095>Phase Shift and Mirage Colloid were black-boxed during the original development of the first GAT-X series. That's why the Astray series don't have them.But not anymore. The technology leaked. Orb had access to Strike Gundam and Buster Gundam. They built Strike copies like Strike Rouge remember? The entire EA has seen phase shift technology. Freedom and Justice specs were leaked. Everyone knows them now.
>>22268661>Fukuda not going HAM and not listing Athrun as Alex, and giving Meyrin a weird made-up name for GSF, as they're both members of the SUPER SECRET SPY ORGANIZATION, TERMINALThat's just a missed oppurtunity.
>>22268661>comments are all shitposting about Alex being a different character Glad to see it’s a universal joke
>>22268342I want Jesus back.
>>22268598I think you have issues understanding things, so I will have to clarify the obvious.In this post, >>22263320, I am talking about the original development of the GAT-X units, previous to their theft by ZAFT:>Why would the Atlantic Federation go through all the trouble of working with Orb's Morgenröte if it isn't to take advantage of their industrial expertise (with the exception of some black-boxed technologies like Phase Shift and Mirage Colloid)?Despite Morgenröte building the GAT-X series in their Heliopolis plant, Orb didn't have access to Phase Shift. That's why it wasn't installed in either of the Astray series; this is established in the Astray manga and the model kit manuals. Ditto Mirage Colloid: only obtained by Morgenröte when they installed Blitz's severed arm on the Gold Frame.Mwu's Strike was repaired from the original unit, and Rouge were assembled out of spare parts onboard the Kusanagi.After the theft in Heliopolis, Phase Shift was reverse engineered by ZAFT and put on their new Gundams. It's to be assumed that Orb reverse engineered it too at some point after the Strike's destruction, or just didn't bother, since it wasn't installed on the Murasame series, and Akatsuki has better protection anyway.
>>22266778I have never seen this, where can I find it?
>>22268519Destiny was a symbol of the Durandal regime which they took down and are trying to really look like they were the good guys for doing so. They wouldn't want another Destiny as part of their peacekeeping force. But if they really have SF and IJ stored away for emergencies they probably have Destiny too.
>>22268392>No, she’s never mentioned in Destiny. You could gleam that Kira’s stoic personality in that show is trauma over losing her but it’s probably just a general numbness after the bloodbath of the last war.She's part of it, when he flashbacks to all the friends he lost she's one of them but yeah it seems to be about the general idea of losses rather than Flay specifically.
>>22269288>Destiny was a symbol of the Durandal regimeSo is the Impulse, although that doesn't seem to be a COMPASS unit.
>>22269462Impulse is presumably the same Impulse from GSD just with some color and spec changes. It was still a "Legal" MS so they reused it. Note that they didn't build Shinn an upgraded Impulse either.
>>22269157>It's to be assumed that Orb reverse engineered it too at some point after the Strike's destruction, or just didn't bother, since it wasn't installed on the Murasame series, and Akatsuki has better protection anyway.There's nothing to assume. Orb had full access to Strike Gundam and its technology. It also had Buster Gundam captured. Orb built Strike Rouge. And the reason Phase shift wasn't put on mass produced suits is debatable. It could be because of cost reasons. Or it could be because the world was shifting towards Beam weapons by the end of Season 1. So phase shift became much less important on mass production models. Akatsuki doesn't have phase shift because the the reflection mirror system can't be used at the same time as phase shift. It's either one or the other.
>>22255867Naturals would literally get "Designated breeding stud" because the bottleneck in breeding is females and after a few generations of interbreeding you'd have everyone on a level playing field with the added benefit of more space autists communicating psychically.
>>22269717Maybe the real Seed Destiny was the cute Coordinator with child bearing hips we impregnated along the way.
ah I hope Hirai participates in animation productionthe stuff he did for Destiny and HD Remaster was grand.
>>22269231search for 'seed drama cd'.look for the episode of Athrun met Lacus for first time.
>>22269717Which was George Glenn's intention with Coordinators from the start actually
>>22263870>>22263857>>22263853>>22263802It sounds like these guys are basically trying the opposite of what Durandal did, and trying to play nice with Team Kira and offer an alliance in order to backstab them later when they're at a disadvantage instead of trying a sneak attack on them first, failing and then having them declare a holy crusade against them.
>>22250428>Do you ever see Kira acting intimate towards Lacus? Put his hand on her whenever they close to each other maybe not intimate enough right? Kira even doing that In front of Meyrin, I think they pretty intimate in Destiny, they hugs so many times too, they just don't show you how they kiss and such but their body languages show their love for each other. Also Kira is passive usually it is the girls who throw themself at him like Cagalli suddenly hug him and everything about Flay, only with Lacus I see him taking more initiative. since in the movie seems the blonde wants to Ntr Lacus I want to see how Kira will react to prevent that and he needs to take initiative even more in their relationship>>22268410Nah he talks to Lacus about everything and they know about each other so well and share each other feeling, meanwhile with Athrun he only share his thought never his feeling
>>22269288>But if they really have SF and IJ stored away for emergencies they probably have Destiny too.This is Gundam.........Sunrise isn't going to make the characters use Old shit unless its redesign like in wing Shinn is in need of a "New" Destiny Gundam notice I put in "New"
>>22270055I doubt "relegating Naturals to breeding stock" was what Glenn was thinking. He thought of it as a voluntary but gradual process. Durandal thought that the governments of Earth dominated by Naturals would submit to the Destiny Plan and that it wouldn't be so voluntary down the line (a Natural from the Eurasian Federation who came of age would be genetically tested and if it's determined he or she will be relegated to being a house spouse to a Coordinator, there will be a complaint about it).
Athrun would unironically do best with getting away from everyone & just travelling with Meyrin.
>>22250199Genetically perfect people are naturally drawn to each other. The captain of the football team and the head cheerleader will hook up, because they can instinctively sense high-value people and know that they should be together.Gene-trash (Flay) and males who don't quite meet the cut (Athrun) end up being abandoned, because it would be a waste for the perfect people to be stuck with a silver star.
>>22270722>this is what 'high-value' people believeIt's fun watching their lives fall apart from a distance.
>>22270360>Nah he talks to Lacus about everything and they know about each other so well and share each other feelingWhere? When?>Kira even doing that >I think they pretty intimateOkay, which one of these are you. Nip? Vatnik? Roach? Diaperhead?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_copula#In_other_languages
>>22258646That limitation seems to apply to a lot of the weaponry on battleships in this setting.
>>22270722>the cut (Athrun) end up being abandonedDon't be like that Athrun is popular with girls in the anime and real life but it is funny that the high-value girls Lacus and Cagalli really don't have him as first choice. Lacus goes with Kira, Cagalli only into Athrun after it revealed that Kira is her sibling.
>>22271078>Where? When?Are you watching the series at all? It started with his horrible cry
>>22270365This is CE though where Kira spent half of Destiny still using his old Gundam from the previous show. We've already seen the leaks of SF and IJ with new modifications which is probably good enough to count as new. Destiny might have a new backpack or something but the main body would probably be the same. Although honestly given how Bandai seems aware Destiny got a bad showing in GSD itself, to the point where it showed up in the Build series twice completely unmodded just to give it a cool showing for once Destiny might be the one they allow to just return unchanged so Shinn can finally have a cool good guy moment with it.
>>22271164>Although honestly given how Bandai seems aware Destiny got a bad showing in GSD itself, to the point where it showed up in the Build series twice completely unmodded just to give it a cool showing for onceDestiny (the MS) has had a bit of a return in popularity in recent years thanks to the nostalgia audience and Suzumura newfound popularity as VA in various projects.Although he has given some lip service to Shinn as the "protagonist" throughout the years, I don't think Fukuda is happy with this turn of affairs. Final Plus and the movies kept FLAWLESS VICTORY more or less as it was.
>>22271164>cool good guy moment>(subjective)
>People not thinking that the Destiny Impulse Spec II isn't a possibility.
>>22271620Because it's not. It's either a brand new Destiny or Destiny Spec 2 with slightly different colors so they can rerelease the model kit.
>>22271164You're right, but I think Destiny Gundam had good showings at Heavens Base and the other EA base, even if it was just fuckmurdering hapless EA mooks and the occasional Destroy Gundam.
i checked desuarchive and can't find anything about a "wing of words" poster dating back before this recent week, were they a real thing or is this a massive psyop?