>>22114802
>just two months
>520 in sales ranking
kek

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New Bread

>>22114932
Meiya looks ugly as sin there, I wouldn't keep playing even if the game was good. How did nobody in charge figure that out?

So question for you Anons what got you into Muv Luv and why are you still a fan?

>>22116753
I was one of the many anons watching Madoka in 2011, and after the episode 3 twist I remember a repeated comment that Mami got Marimo'd. Next thing I new there was a Muv Luv Anime on the horizon and a considerable degree of hype for it. So I downloaded the fansub version, sat down and read it. And here I am today. Where the fuck did all the time go?

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>>22115521
I wonder what happened to this Meiya design.

>>22116929
Isn't that from Mikhail?

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>>22116954
You mean this one?

the really fucked up thing about dimensions dying is that it has all the visual novels in it for free, its the ultimate "this IP is worthless" message

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History repeats itself with nextninja...

>>22117390
actually, it only has chunks of them. you can't even read past the coup in alt. also the jp crowd already read the vns, this is not new content. if anyone knows what tf dimensions story is about, how does it compare? is it okayish or like TE?

>>22118015
Well, I'm enjoying the story so far. I am MTLing most of it since i don't know that much moon but it's still interesting as a story arc. MLT kind of sucks the subtleties and character interactions out. The beach event story was fun too.

>>22118073
>but it's still interesting as a story arc.
Ok, but what is it about?

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>>22116753
Got in because of my waifus. Stayed because of my waifus and the story was pretty good too.

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>>22116753
More or less the same as this guy >>22118182. Plus I like the look of 1st/2nd gen TSFs.
.

>>22116753
Some guy in /tmg/ posted the drawing of Meiya sitting on Takeru's lap from the LN.

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I just finished the trilogy and have a few autistic questions.

Do you guys remember the scene in Muv-Luv when Takeru takes Sumika to the amusement park and there are a bunch of shady dudes watching them behind a potted plant or some shit? Who were they?

In Takeru's early flashbacks the girl that gets taken away was actually Kasumi, no? She always said bye-bye to Takeru but he never corrected her or connected the dots.

Was Mikoto's dad kill?

Yuuko really wasn't a baddie all along?

Why did they do that spooky scene where what is assumed to be a mind controlled Sakaki call Takeru but give no pay off to that?

Was Alternate's ending a troll and am I missing something?

>>22118268
>Who were they?
The other girls, I think. See the scene where Meiya bursts onto the stage to vanquish the evildoers.
>Kasumi, Mikoto
No, and Kasumi doesn't exist in Extra. Read the other routes in Extra.
>Yuuko really wasn't a baddie all along?
Why do you think she is? Yuuko was just doing what she felt that she had to, just like everyone else in that part of society.
>Sakaki
Seriously, man, did you erase Meiya from your mind? I'm pretty sure she even admits they had Yuuko prepare a voice changer.
>Ending
What about it is troll?

Is Muv-Luv Dimension worth a try?
Last time I tried it, it was bugged as hell and was taken down.

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I'm gonna be real with you bros. Sumika returning Takeru's gift and that entire stretch where she told him she didn't want to be with him was APEX shit testing and honestly incredibly well written. Only someone who truly understands female psychology could have wrote that.

>>22118804
no its still shit

>>22118268
>>22118304
Wait a second, whose route in Extra did you even read? It certainly wasn't Sumika's or Meiya's.

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>>22118268
lol

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>>22119481
I only did Sumika and Meya in extra. I was talking about pic related. Anon said these people are apparently the girls in disguise?

>>22119535
Don't laugh at me pls.

>>22119542
How did you miss that Meiya is the girl that gets taken away? What the fuck?

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>>22119586
I know that was "what was said" But I couldn't get over the fact that that Kasumi always said bye-bye to Takeru and there was a scene in Alternate after Takeru fled back to his old timeline because he was traumatized by Marimo's death where Meiya woke Takeru up on the roof of the school and acted strangely like Kasumi for a moment. Forgive me, I'm one of those schizos who hyper analyzes random small things. One of my early theories about the series was that the original time line was a fake and that Yuuko and Kasumi worked together to groom and pull Takeru into their timeline to help them save the world. So I thought that there was a possibility that Kasumi WAS Meiya in the original timeline. Obviously that was refuted in the last scene in Alternate when Kasumi says Sumika was the one who caused the timelines to get fucked up. Oh yeah on a completely unrelated note what the fuck was up with Meiya talking about how "she wasn't human" in extra? Was that some kind of joke?

>>22119620
Kasumi's "bye-bye" is a quirk she picked up from Sumika.
Meiya was raised with the idea that she is a tool for the Mitsurugi zaibatsu; the idea that she had to cast her individualism aside.

>>22118268
>Do you guys remember the scene in Muv-Luv when Takeru takes Sumika to the amusement park and there are a bunch of shady dudes watching them behind a potted plant or some shit? Who were they?
The three stooges and Meiya or Tsukuyomi. They appear in several of the dates.
>In Takeru's early flashbacks the girl that gets taken away was actually Kasumi, no?
No, it's Meiya.
>Was Mikoto's dad kill?
Maybe.
>Yuuko really wasn't a baddie all along?
It's up to you to decide. She does terrible things and knows it, but what cost is too great when the survival of humanity is on the line?
>Why did they do that spooky scene where what is assumed to be a mind controlled Sakaki call Takeru but give no pay off to that?
I don't remember that at all...
>Was Alternate's ending a troll and am I missing something?
Define "troll."

>>22116753
>what got you into Muv Luv
/vn/'s beginner rec
>and why are you still here?
is there anything else out there like it? the closest I've seen is blue gender annnnnd that is it (and even then the series is much more grounded than ml).
there's barely any (good) isekai vn's available in the first place and even less that also comes with the other themes of ml.
So, no competition whatsoever in vn's and even in anime/manga is there anything that could compete directly atm?
>>22119620
meds

Why did avex not bring back the ero for muvluv when the entire reason the Kickstarter was such a huge success was because ero was promised behind age's back?

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>>22120822
>when the entire reason the Kickstarter was such a huge success was because ero was promised behind age's back?
>implying it wasn't destroyer-chan that single-handedly made the kickstarter succeed.

>>22120822
because ero means you can never get type-moon money

they don't want a decently succesful eroge franchise, they want Fate. If they can't get that they would rather have nothing

>>22121189
But Fate never had to stoop to a kickstarter for a translation of the original story.

Fate even got its eroge version emphasized over the all ages adaptation with Fate Zero and the HF movie.

>>22121189
>because ero means you can never get type-moon money
why is there so much FGO porn though

>>22121301
because artists are hacks who just want to make a quick buck so they jump onto anything popular. Blue archive has more porn now

>>22121254
Muv-Luv already had a translation and I'm pretty sure the Sakura h-scenes exist in some capacity in Realta Nua, more so than in UBW.

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Are the patches for TDA00 and 01 still available anywhere? I thought they got deleted when the archive got deleted.

>>22116753
>what got you into Muv Luv
I thought the mecha designs were cool. I was originally turned off by the galge aspect of the series but I ended up really enjoying Extra once I stopped being a faggot.
>why are you still a fan?
There's a lot to love. Great worldbuilding, interesting plot elements, the geopolitical intrigue, a few good characters, and the mecha designs are also still cool. The Shiranui is probably my favourite mecha design ever, or at least in my top three. The Raptor is probably in my top five as well.

>>22116753
>So question for you Anons what got you into Muv Luv
Cool robots and gore
>and why are you still a fan?
Authors' autism over geopolitics, politics, strategy, tactics, R&D, designs, properly done characters, romansu, cool robots and gore

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I wonder if Reddit appreciates my sense of humor.

>>22122238
Stay there.

>>22116753
Got because someone posted Sylwia during SM anime and she was beautiful enough to get me interested in Schwarzesmarken and later Muv Luv as a whole.

>>22121838
They don't. Sakura's rape was retconned back in.

>>22123532
HF is dogshit anyways so that's no surprise

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>>22122257
Damn.

You rekt me.

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>>22124836
Is that the game we're playing?
Alright, fine by me.

Kouki got stomped by the filtercopter in Armored Core 6 lmao

>>22125054
Really? Fucking lmao

>German football star Schweinsteiger's last name could literally translate to pig-climber, but more likely it means pig-overseer, like on a farm.
Uh, Vivi?

apparently kaseki no uta is being actively translated. did anyone know?

>>22123603
are you a fellow fatechad?

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>>22126511
Yes.
>>22125054
He died to it like 3 times which is pretty normal.

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Fate!?

>>22118268
get the fuck out of here and come back in 5 years you stupid retard

>>22118268
Congrats on finishing

>>22118891
Based sumikbro

>>22125870
>anon just found out that half of the cast of SM is named after Bundesliga players
Heh.

>>22126233
is this actually a thing??

>>22127468
I know at least one fan group has talked about it. If they are going ahead, it's in their best interests to keep it on the down-low and where nobody will ever find out. Release their fanTL and let the Streisand effect ensure that Avex can eat shit if they try to drop a C&D as they did to that poor bastard who tried to TL Schwarzesmarken.

>>22125054
Fucking retard had a golden opportunity for at least five years to partner up with fromsoft and he blew it. Why did he ignore AC?

>>22127806
because he got filtered by the control scheme on ps1 and never tried another game in the series

>>22127806
>Armored Core 4 and Alternative released the same year
would have been the absolute perfect starting point
instead we get Mikhail

>>22127960
>Kasumi Sumika
Did Miyazaki have the same weird impression of Kasumi's line at the end of Unlimited as others here?
I think it had potential as a twist.

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>>22126632
How would Gudako fare on the MabuRabu universe?

>>22116753
I got into Muv Luv with the trilogy. Heard it was really good.
I'm a fan because of the trilogy. It's really good.

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>>22127960
>>22127806
You'll go mad if you think too much of Muv's many missed opportunities, anon.

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>>22116753
Someone on /v/ made a thread about BETA unit composition and how it was bullshit Jap autism. Then they started posting parallels to Starship Troopers and referencing random bits of Alternative. I clicked whatever wikia links were posted and since I like aviation I enjoyed the fact IRL jets got turned into mecha (I wasn't that into the genre by then) and the link with the full timeline got me hooked on this shit.

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>>22128168
That sounds like a cool thread. Post a link if you got it.

>>22126758
>>22126794
the duality of mlg

>>22118891
You referring to the 00 unit rejecting Takeru before the twizzler scene?

>>22116753
Saw it on a visual novel thread on /v/ I think. Was around july last year. Had three weeks of vacation and just binged the shit out of it. It has been years since I've been this enthralled with a franchise and I try to shill it to everyone that is even remotely open to it. I've shared quite a bit of my playthrough with mlg and it was an awesome experience.
I'm quite fresh in the franchise and not as jaded as many other which is why I'm still looking forward to new things and don't want the franchise to die.

>>22116753
I first heard about mub rub before it was translated when it would get brought up in threads about cool mecha series. the total eclipse illustrations would get posted in anime girl threads too. I ended up reading the first game some time after it got translated because someone lied to me and said the whole thing was translated. I was real confused when I got to the end without ever seeing the aliens. fortunately for me the alternative translation leak was only a few months later. funnily I had been spoiled about chomp but by the time I actually got to the scene I had forgotten all the specifics so I was completely surprised.

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>>22128285
Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about. I would have 100% failed that shit test and to be fair Takeru nearly did too if not for his pal Meiya.

>>22128387
Understandably so. Her absolutely devastating cruelty in alienating and isolating him would've for sure thrown most people completely off. Meiya came through just in time.

>>22127999
Serene Haze's real name is likely just a reference to the Sumika that assists the Raven in Project Phantasma, and is probably unrelated to our #1 dork childhood friend

Doesn't stop me from imagining her as an older Sumika, but still

>>22128164
>DO WHAT I WANT DO WHAT I NEED

>>22128289
You're a little late to not want that. The fate of the franchise rested on the gacha's performance and it's now in freefall.

>>22128928
the true redpill is realizing that the gacha doesn't even matter, even if it beat FGO avex wouldn't greenlight VN development. It's been like 7 years since they bought âge, they're just looking for excuses

final age stream: "I can't breathe"

>>22128957
It's kinda sad to think Mikhail and the Muv Luv Gacha are the only two games they have produced in those years.

>>22128198
Man that was years ago, no way I can find it.

>>22129075
Mikhail was supposed to be a gacha too...

I just don't get it. Why would you not just make VNs? That's what this is a series of, that's what it's good at.

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is it true?

>>22129818
the fanbase is full of cocksuckers for sure, both overseas and Japan. It's almost like a cult, way more than what is normal for franchises. There's still people who won't admit S3 of the anime got canned for example

>>22129818
Nah.

>>22129823
That says something about Muv Luv's writing that it has created a fanbase so devout that they've been whaling on a shitty Gacha in an attempt to keep the franchise alive even when it might be better off dead.

>>22129823
The anime apologia needs to stop.

>>22129888
You'll find a lot of people like that for a bunch of franchises. It's not that unusual.

>>22129793
God as a Kei/Sumikafag I do not like Kei’s face Dimensions

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>>22129818
How the fuck did he take that away from the political side of MLA? I got America = The Great Satan which is factually correct. They literally helped stage that coup to try to stop Alternate 4 from happening as well as expand their influence over Japan. Also throughout all the Yuuko info dumping she was constantly talking about how America was more focused on making sure that they maintained their global hegemony in the post-BETA world than they were on fighting the BETA themselves.

>>22130325
Read the manga. It's peak globohomo.

>>22129888
>whaling
With that ranking?

>>22129804
Either they don't think they can make a profit or, and this is more likely considering their behavior, it wouldn't be profitable enough for them.
These numbers are just to make a point but why make a good VN and get 100 bucks in profit when you could try your luck with gambling addict's and possibly make 1000?
Still, I'd argue it would be wise to invest into one or two VN's first to revive the IP and bring attention to it.
Then again talent is necessary for this and we are clearly surrounded by idiots.

>>22130325
If you manage to ignore Yuuko talking about how the US is a democracy that doesn't consist entirely of Alt V supporters and her remark that US combat doctrine is pragmatic as a whole even though the Japanese fucking hate them for it or how absolutely batshit insane Alt IV is then sure. Many would also be quick to point to TE but this feels very post hoc so I'll avoid it.

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>>22127206
Would be honest, SM characters in soccer uniform would be cute.

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>>22130949
Indeed

>>22130932
Bro really hit me with the #notallAmericans and said the thing that saved humanity was batshit insane. Let me guess you also think color revolutions are a valid form of diplomacy? Get the frack outta here America shill.

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>looks like my superiority caused some controversy

>>22131042
You're telling me the thing that requires a literal timenigger to solve and fails every time said timenigger doesn't love one girl isn't fucking retarded? Fuck off. Even if it works in all timelines it's unjustifiable.
>color revolutions
The point is that Yuuko doesn't hate America anywhere near as much as you seem to belive she does and has a fair amount of respect for their policies you retarded vatnik.

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How much of the VN does the Total Eclipse anime not cover?

>>22131075
>vatnik
>deleted post
Meds, now.

>>22131138
The last fifth or so. Which is arguably the part where the VN's story starts to come apart. It's fair to say the further the VN gets from the Anime, the worse its storytelling becomes as it becomes strangely unfinished and half baked, like Kouki had to throw the ending together on the fly.

>>22131202
Is the TE VN worth it I'm up to Kamchatka right after Yuuya fired the XML-99

>>22131261
As long as you're having fun.

>>22131202
>like Kouki had to throw the ending together on the fly.
the worst part is that this isn't even the case and he made it shitty intentionally to mirror fucking gundam

>>22131140
Only a literal Soviet third-worlder or self-hating American would make this post.

>>22131261
Not great not terrible. It starts falling apart towards the end and its only downhill from there. If its worth or not will depend on how many points you tend to give to the conclusion of a story.

>>22131572
are you serious
when did he say this

>>22131712
https://youtu.be/WPumKpkaD-g?si=zlj-Iclv11QapvLO&t=2811

>>22131572
Sounds like post-fact cope from his side.
>"nu-uh, I didn't fuck it up... it was all intentional you see!"

>>22131928
what will his cope be when dimensions hits eos and all muvluv projects are officially cancelled

>>22132475
the retard wouldn't even care, he already said he would just do doujins because he thinks Avex won't send him a cease and desist for whatever reason

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>>22132484
Luxin stopped doing doujins because he was concerned he might get pinged because of it. A shame, his works were fucking excellent.

>>22131561
Honestly I am enjoying the characters mainly VG and Vincent great guys best bros

Armored core style muv luv game when

>>22132960
bro your mikhail?

>>22132557
Ridiculous. When does that ever happen?

>>22133304
companies nuke doujin porn parody games all the time

Ilfriede is smart

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>>22133539
>press X to doubt

>Katia has a high ponytail
>SM bombs
>Beatrix has a high ponytail
>BiS bombs
>Meiya has a high ponytail
>Dimensions bombs
Coincidence?

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>>22133725
Correlation is not causation.

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>>22133761
But the one girl that single-handedly carried this cursed franchise on her back and enabled them to release so many consecutive flops was a stacy with a low ponytail.

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>>22133765
Oh, that's what you're up too. Not interested.

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>>22133766
>Not interested
Yeah, I'm not interested in the gacha either.

>>22133768
Nobody is.

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>>22133769
I wonder why?

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>>22133725
>Coincidence?
Yes.

>>22133725
>Gretel has a himecut
>is a shit
>Yuzuka has a himecut
>is a shit
Coincidence?

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>>22133782
You forgot Yamashiro.

>>22133770
>>22133769
>>22133768
>>22133766
>>22133765
>>22133761
>>22133725
Never thought I'd see a reifag vs asukafag fight outside an evangelion thread...

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>>22133836
What the fuck did you call me?

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>>22133856
You cunts have been going at this for twenty years.

Twenty years.

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>>22133864
I specifically said I wasn't interested in waifu warfare. Don't group me with that.

>>22133864
maybe if sumikafags didn't constantly feel the need to cope about twizzlers we wouldn't be in this situation

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>>22133864 (me)
was just joking around
honestly i'm more surprosed with the fact that it's been 20 years since Extra launched

that and i'm sad nobody caught on my post...

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Was there ever a Yuifag vs Cryskafag waifuwar at the time of Total Eclipse?

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>>22133881
I know which side I'd be on.

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>>22133881
Yes, but...

>>22133874
Sumika is better because she’s not in dimensions

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>>22133864
Here's to 20 more

>>22133725
You forgot to put mikhail bombs next to Dimensions.

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>>22133864
Let them wallow in their shit taste, we all know who is the superior waifu.

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>>22129823
This isn't exactly what happened, the anime was always planned for 2 cours (pic related is from Regenerative vol. 1) and would only maybe have gotten a third if it was more successful than expected. Some of the cast were telling people to buy the Blu-rays for example. But yeah, it was never gonna happen

>>22134175
I kinda lumped it in with Dimensions to be honest with you
meiya can't stop losing

I feel like I should be a Meiyafag but the game is really really good at psyoping you into being a Sumikafag. They should study the Muv-luv trilogy for how to make propaganda.

>>22134544
>Regenerative
more like degenerative am I right bros?

>>22134996
One of the reasons SM bellyflopped is that they couldn't decide who was the Sumika. Sometimes it was Katia, other times it was Lise. They eventually settled on the latter but it was way too late for the series by then. Ironically, Iris bombed with people who liked Theo.

>>22134996
I don't know that feel at all, anon. How? She's not even there for most of it.

>>22135018
Kouki told me the next issue will just take longer bro he would never lie to except all the times that are on record where he lied

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>>22135176
>Introduce fun, bubbly childhood friend who loves you unconditionally and who gets jealous at silly little things. Also has an extremely striking character design.
>take her away for a long time and tease her over and over conditioning you to miss her more
>chomp happens, Takeru running away arc happens. Super sentimental Sumika section. Her fighting to remember Takeru with her diary entries, etc etc. She gets in the brutal accident.
>You miss her more
>she comes back in extremely damaged state
>bond with her and gradually help her regain her sanity
>rejection scene
>twizzler scene
>reconciliation + sex scene
It's over you've been conditioned to love Sumika at this point. I think the main thing to learn from a propaganda perspective here is: give someone something very nice, take it away, and then give it back is extremely powerful.

>>22135223
>It's over you've been conditioned to love Sumika at this point.
Sounds like a (You) problem, anon.
She was good in Extra and the PTSD arc, that's it. S00mika sucked. All the stuff about helping he regain her sanity was repetitive as shit, and the rejection/twizzlers/sex scene sequence was ridiculous. And then she just kind of exists for the rest of the VN before she dies off-screen.

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>>22135237
>S00mika sucked.
I agree, there should have been more Extraverse Sumika in there, the way there's a lot of Extraverse Takeru in Shirogane-kun. As-is there's only the ominous implication that she died offscreen to mirror how S00mika destroyed Alternative Sumika's brain.
Wouldn't object to more scenes of her in her suit, she had the sexiest one of them all.

>>22135255
>I agree
I'm not sure you do. By that I mean she sucks in Alternative outside of Extraverse Sumika. Considering Alternative is ostensibly the Sumika route, that's a pretty big problem.
>Wouldn't object to more scenes of her in her suit, she had the sexiest one of them all.
That's another thing. If Alternative was really Sumika propaganda or whatever, why does she stop being a character when she's hooked up to the Susanoo? Why not keep her conscious during that and make her a member of the squad?

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>>22135276
>By that I mean she sucks in Alternative outside of Extraverse Sumika
Yes. I do not like how Alternative treats Sumika, and that gets some people very angry for whatever reason. Extraverse Sumika gets a dramatic twist that she didn't have in her original route, a sweet reconciliation with Takeru and tragedy as she loses everything in her life, and then that's about it. If you're already predisposed to liking Sumika then you'll latch onto this part, but for a story that originally started as the Sumika route for Unlimited, Kouki dropped the ball.
>why does she stop being a character when she's hooked up to the Susanoo?
Sumika arguably stops being a character long before that. When you first meet S00mika, she's a vegetable. There's a few scenes to try to humanize her but she never interacts with the others afterwards. This isn't even a case of things being implied, we have moments like the Meiya getting cuckqueaned scene to SHOW that Sumika is a loner. In the big finale against the Superior, she's effectively a vegetable again, and then she's dead.
>Why not keep her conscious during that and make her a member of the squad?
Because she turned into a plot device instead of a heroine. In the middle of ranting about nationalism and Americans, Kouki just couldn't find the time to write about love in a story about saving in the name of true love.

>>22135237
Sound like you have shit taste against the 00 unit.
>repetitive
Those scenes are not even that many, and there is a good enough progression for the traumatized girl that make them worth it.
>scene sequence
I played the steam version and there is nothing ridiculous about them, the sex scene right after is fine giving that they are in the a world where they can die in battle anytime.
>die off-sceen
You just don't know that she is giving her last energy to make sure they eliminated the Superordinate and Takeru and Kasumi can get out alive but you get to know that after, she then was able to say some word of thank to Takeru in his mind and get a peaceful death knowing she saved and free Takeru from that world and helped the Betaverse.

>>22135302
I never said your dislike of Alternative's treatment of Sumika was a problem, moron.

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>>22135340
I said some, not all. I wasn't including you in the some, anon. Chin up! (:
>>22135318
>Those scenes are not even that many,
That's the problem, S00mika barely gets screentime in the first place, and what scenes she does get are repetitive with her being a seething vegetable. She eventually stops seething and then she's nothing.
>there is a good enough progression
To what?
>there is nothing ridiculous about them
Anon, about the only major screentime S00mika gets is a cuckshit scene where she gets tentacle raped. That's ridiculous. It's especially egregious when the game doesn't equate Extraverse Sumika with S00mika, so it's this new character who kinda resembles the original one but has none of her personality.
>You just don't know that
Anon, narrative justifications after the fact don't change that as far as the story is written, Sumika dies off screen. That's a pathetic fate for a main heroine who didn't end up doing much.

>>22135302
>Yes. I do not like how Alternative treats Sumika
>If you're already predisposed to liking Sumika then you'll latch onto this part, but for a story that originally started as the Sumika route for Unlimited, Kouki dropped the ball.
>Because she turned into a plot device instead of a heroine. In the middle of ranting about nationalism and Americans, Kouki just couldn't find the time to write about love in a story about saving in the name of true love.
Ah. Then nevermind.
>Sumika arguably stops being a character long before that. When you first meet S00mika, she's a vegetable. There's a few scenes to try to humanize her but she never interacts with the others afterwards. This isn't even a case of things being implied, we have moments like the Meiya getting cuckqueaned scene to SHOW that Sumika is a loner. In the big finale against the Superior, she's effectively a vegetable again, and then she's dead.
There's a difference between being underutilized and not being a character. She might as well not exist for the finale, and there's no reason she couldn't have been one then.
I kinda wonder if it's on purpose. Are we really supposed to like Sumika as much as Takeru does? It's always sorta felt like you're meant to keep on liking Meiya or, to a lesser extent, your favorite other girl despite the Sumika focus. Compare Meiya's death to Sumika's, it's night and day.

>>22135340
What the hell do you think you're doing?

>>22135361
To add to it, S00mika being as divorced from the rest of the cast means we're robbed of what should be one of the best moments: the gang back together. Chizuru, Miki, Kei and Mikoto were her friends as well, and there should have been more then just that one scene where S00mika's introduced to them that goes nowhere. That should have been more of a cathartic moment where Takeru has all of his friends together that instead is just missed potential. Still better than Total Eclipse dumping 80% of its cast at the end though.

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>>22135361
>Ah. Then nevermind.
It's fine, there are a few people around who, having just finished Alternative, are hyped because they played it for the overall story instead of Sumika herself so they have a rosier impression. Guess who was in the latter camp.
>There's a difference between being underutilized and not being a character. She might as well not exist for the finale, and there's no reason she couldn't have been one then.
There is, actually...
>I kinda wonder if it's on purpose. Are we really supposed to like Sumika as much as Takeru does? It's always sorta felt like you're meant to keep on liking Meiya or, to a lesser extent, your favorite other girl despite the Sumika focus. Compare Meiya's death to Sumika's, it's night and day.
Yes. There's a clear bias against people who actually prefer Sumika. My guess is it's partly because Sumika already had the fandisc(not AF, the one before it), so it would be "excessive" to favor her in the continuation of the main story. Another might simply be because kouki liked Meiya more. The coup arc, the final arc where she finally gets to use the mecha she's been hyped up to use since Unlimited, there's a lot of focus on Meiya in Alternative to the detriment of Sumika, who ends up a glorified battery for the Susanoo instead of getting to have her own cool robot.

>What the hell do you think you're doing?
There's a few anons around here who aren't interested in discussing so much as they're interested in flaming.
>>22135414
>the gang back together
Here's the problem: S00mika is as disconnected from them as Takeru was at the beginning of Unlimited. She's ironically the hot new transfer student that Meiya was in Extra, only without any of the charisma.

>>22135354
You are just spewing so much bullshit it sound like bait, you are a troll, I'm pretty sure your are not even a sumikafag.
If such an important and essential part of the story, the main heroine, wasn't good at all like you and the other anon are delusionally saying, Alternative would not still be one of the most well rated and popular visual novel. Of course it may not be perfect at handling the characters and some others aspects but it's great at the many primary things it does, one of those being the main heroine.
>to what?
From her traumatized psyche, she progress to be able to speak to Takeru in a natural way and have a normal talk. Is your brain even working? I'm not gonna waste more of my time to respond to troll like you.

>>22134996
for me it was the opposite. I started out going for sumika because I was mad about all the other childhood friends that lost in anime adaptations but by the time I got to the cave scene I realized I had made a mistake. it was too late for me to change routes at that point but I immediately started a replay and only picked meiya from that point on.

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>>22135544
Sorry anon, I've heard worse vitriol than that!
>If such an important and essential part of the story, the main heroine, wasn't good at all like you and the other anon are delusionally saying
Nobody said that Sumika isn't a good heroine. She was horribly utilized post-PTSD arc and turned into nothing but a plot device who barely gets screentime, but that's not the same thing.
>Alternative would not still be one of the most well rated and popular visual novel
Look at what most people say about Alternative. It's plotfags who rate it highly and constantly post screenshots of characters like the sailors saluting. If they happen to mention any girl, it's Meiya, not Sumika. The latter is only begrudgingly acknowledged.
>it's great at the many primary things it does
First of all, how many things can be primary before they stop being primary?
>she progress to be able to speak to Takeru in a natural way and have a normal talk
And what happens? She blabs about getting tentacle raped for cuckshit that did not need to be there, gets fucked by Takeru, and that's about it as far as her screentime goes before she dies quietly. Meiya gets to be blown to smithereens in a grand sendoff to her arc in Unlimited and Alternative and gets away with only getting groped by tentacles, which is still bad but nowhere near as awful comparatively.
>Is your brain even working?
Why are you so vitriolic? You are an example of the kind of person I called out before, getting angry for no good reason.

>>22118163
Nobody is talking about the story in detail anywhere so it's very likely mediocre.

>>22118163
It's about doing what you want and doing what you need.

>>22135589
You're wasting your time with this guy

>>22135598
Eh, I thought I'd say something to him before he flees for good.

Why is Meiya in Alternative a nationalistic mary sue? Her only suppose and actual flaw is her extreme selfless but is not portrait as much as a flaw at it should be giving that she doesn't change in the end. In her final scene she get to sacrifices herself like she was always ready to, for humanity. Feels kinda dull, she is more a plot device than a well-written character.

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>he ran away and went "no u"
can't say I'm surprised

>>22135658
go back to your shitty fanfic faggot

>>22135608
He's not leaving, though...

>>22135992
Not yet, obviously. There are always idiots like him that pop up on occasion. But do they stick around for the long haul? Never.

saru please kill yourself my man

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>>22133539
I'm gonna fuck this German Noble Schweine so hard she loses braincels

>>22136506
I see that you're the type of player that loses to the tutorial boss, buddy.

>>22136559
nah I'm just retarded

Is it true that Lunatheresia is kind of a psycho who gets off on killing BETA or is that just memery?
Because the former = instant wife material.

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>>22135699
Fatter.

>>22136758
Excellent

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I was just thinking about something that we never see talked about
With the fact that fighter jets don't exist anymore, and that TSFs are all under the US Army, that means that the US Air Force is mainly bombers
Wouldn't that mean that Air Combat Combat never becomes a thing, and Strategic Air Command never goes away? Then they just switch from nukes to G-bombs
To me that is super cool, as I love the SAC and cold war aesthetic
I do wonder though if SAC would all be for Alternative 5, as they would get to bomb the fuck out of everything, or if certain generals are split on it, like how different airplane manufacturers are

Wouldn't Sumika be immune to the Christmas retcon, being that she was already in the Yokohama hive while the water supply was getting spiked?

>>22137071
I don't understand why he didn't just smudge history a bit and say Christmas didn't get popular

>>22136905
Would they be the ones bombing everything? Do we know how g bombs are delivered?

>>22137071
>They must have spiked the water for a long ass fucking time to get everyone
>The trilogy literally has a grandma refusing to leave her mountain in it. Did they spike natural water sources too? Does she know what Christmas is?
>What about any gaijins that were in Japan when the water got spiked, do they now have brain damage and don't understand Christmas and convenience stores as well? What if they went back to America afterwards? Is the USA not mad Japan drugged military personnel?
>Does it only work on Japanese people? Takeru still knows what Christmas is so the water no longer has to be spiked. Was Yokohama base never affected and all the girls got drugged before getting there? Yuuko clearly has a general idea what Christmas is. Where did she even get the stupid outfit?
>If you owned a convenience store, what do you do with it after you get drugged? Does your CV now have a 10 year gap in it? Do government agents show up over night and steal all your wares so people no longer wish to purchase the goods you are offering? How do they time it?
>Does the rest of the world never bully Japanese people for having government induced brain damage? Only Japan was spiked. Are the insults blocked out too?
>What about all the Japanese people outside of Japan? TE doesn't take place in Japan. Nobody ever sends a letter home only to find their loved one now has brain damage? Yui doesn't find it weird that "Christmas never caught on" in Japan? Nobody tells her the truth? It happened like 5 years ago.
>What about all the recordings about Christmas and convenience stores, even things as simple as books? Do government agents get rid of those too? How do they get access to private collections? Can your brain no longer consume them?

>>22137208
In trying to 'fix' a plot hole that was bigger in his head than reality (seriously, why is convenience stores a big issue? How did Japanese people buy their groceries before the BETA invasion if they weren't supposed to exist? There were convenience stores in Japan before WWII for fuck's sake) Kouki made the most ridiculous plot hole that Muv Luv has ever had. Does he watch Alex Jones unironically?

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>>22137369

>>22131058
Fucking sexy beast machine

>>22137071
>>22137208
Was it really about christmas? With Japan not losing as hard in WWII I would assume that it not getting popular would be easily explained because no occupation and resulting far less US influence. I wonder if he really did just asspull for no reason other than it being something he was recently asked.

>>22137418
It wasn't "Christmas", it was the fact that alternative clearly shows that Japan is a dystopian military society of nationalistic poorfags who don't even know what fucking Christmas is, but then Years later he writes Teito Moyu which is set in 1997 or some shit and Japan is doing so well Yui and her friends can literally walk into a convenience store to buy entire bags of limited edition Jojo reference flavor ice-cream. So a random guy asks him how its possible that in just a few years Japan underwent a cultural change that hardcore (said guy doesn't even brings owarinaki where they play baseball, have underage maid restaurants, and big music concerts)

And instead of going "It just happened, shut up" Kouki goes on a talk about how Chizuru's dad fucking drugged the national water supply after the BETA invaded the mainland to suppress any memories that would result in the civilian population bitching about things being shit

>>22137464
And it's still addressing a plothole that doesn't exist. Of course by the time of Alternative Japan is a dystopian military society of nationalistic poorfags. They got absolutely skullfucked by the BETA Invasion. Half of Japan was reduced to rubble, at least thirty million died. No country survives that kind of event without being driven to the bare essentials. It's a pointless change that adds nothing and takes a ton away.

>>22137377
>>22137369
Mash deserves Twizzlers.

God I hate niggers

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>>22137535
Marry me, Simone!

>>22137535
Why does Kouki worship them?
>UN guard
>Part of the anti-American alliance in Resonative

>>22137585
anon... the point of the black guard was to show how ruined japan was

>>22116753
I browsed the old katawa shoujo forums 10 years ago and someone recommended ML

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>>22137680
So you'd think, but then we got pic related...

The second Avex recast everyone, ML's doom was set in stone.
Integrate's MC was supposed to be voiced by Akira Ishida.

>>22137818
>implying we were getting integrate in the first place

>>22137838
Of course not, but the recast was the moment you knew for sure it was over before they officially declare it.
Everyone knows it.

>>22116753
i thought someone was joking on v when they said this series was about ayys and giant robots so i tried it
i am still a fan because i like giant robots fighting ayys

>>22116753
I actually got in thanks to the general here. That and because a friend of mine was a massive fucking bro and bought both ML and Alternative for me
And on the off chance you're here and read this post, man, thanks again bro. This is probably one of my favorite VNs so far

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>>22116753
I actually just finished alternative an hour ago. I've been wanting to get into VNs as a genre for a long time, going through recommendation charts from /vn/ or going through vndb, things like that. I started Extra literally March this year and it took me this long to finish the trilogy, but I'm glad I did. The best VN I've played so far, but I haven't played a lot. I especially liked the ending of Unlimited, humanities' last hope is to flee to the stars, looking up at humanities' lost homeworld, is pretty cool. Alternative is cool as well, made me rethink the notion that humanity would actually unify to fight some common enemy, and I really liked how Takeru's brief insanity and development into a soldier afterward was presented.
I'll go back to lurking now.
alternative V really isn't that bad, considering IV didn't work without parallel world autism

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>>22134342
Haha

....
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah
Good one

>>22139304
fuck you Anon this image isn't even funny yet I've coughed up 2 lungs well played sir

Beatrix and Irisdina deserve bullying, but the loving kind.

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Absolutely angelic.

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>>22140395
I prefer this angel.

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just finished my first route in KimiNozo
I love her so much
ponytail > short hair

>>22140629
You can do Mitsuki's route first?

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>>22140668
You can do any route you want first, except for the epilogues, as for me, I leave her for last, I wanted to enjoy she getting cucked on all the other routes

>>22140743
Mitsuki did nothing wrong.

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>>22140395
And devilish

Where is the magazine?

>>22140629
There is a timeline where KimiNozo got the fanTL and later a nice high quality official release, and Muv Luv is that one that only the Japanese readers can enjoy. There are times I wish I lived in that timeline. I would love to read KimiNozo.

>>22141031
Where Integrate and Resonative are.

>>22141485
In another timeline with KimiNozo's and Owarinaki's translations.

>>22141542
The magazine doesn't even exist in that timeline.

>>22141180
In that timeline AyuMayu Alternative is the official sequel for Kiminozo.

>>22129823
I still find it funny that the ML Fandom is relatively tame compared to some other Fandoms that I’m in, which I’m just chalking it up to that -ML filters itself and also due to its reputation as “the mecha gorefest VN” which I’m fine with since normies ruin everything

hey guys, working on my muv luv unlimited theory, open to suggestions

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hey guys working on my muv luv theory, open to suggestions

>>22142701
I have an alternate Shakespeare theory for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i71eyobPD20

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what went wrong

>>22143030
Fanbase woke up.

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Look how they massacred my girl…

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>>22144365
Losing the hair intakes sucks, losing the fluffiness and volume sucks, but what might suck most of all is the loss of vibrancy for her hair color. How were they expecting anyone to like this?

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Kagami Sumika was a woman who could have been like a mother to me.

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>>22136905
On this line of thought, It's a shame that Muv Luv's first TSF is the F-4, we could have had so much Aircraft turning into Mecha kino if only the timeline had been set back just a bit more

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>>22145050
You got a problem with my Z00k bro?

>>22145050
Based take, love the B58

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>>22145071
It's all about the 50s...

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>>22145178
https://youtu.be/EZ_w5K82lu4

It really is

>>22144576
Vibrancy is SO late-2000s. Gotta get with the times, grandpa.

>>22144365
the tiny bow is absolutely criminal

>>22144365
They gave her a nice ass though. She's up there with Yui and Kirke now.

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>>22144365
They were both nerfed very much but Meiya also got many bad animated scenes...

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>>22147351
>though
Sumika was always the ass girl. After Alternative she gave herself huge tits so she could give Takeru paizuri on top.

>>22147447
I could have lived with the art style change and even bad animation if it had 50-100% more episodes so they could flesh things out. At least the second season was better.

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How can one become so cringe? I gave this retard another chance since there's no active fics and I want more muvluv so bad but it's so fucking bad. Hating on TDA, dunking on Meiya, ruining Takeru. They're fucking soldiers, one is a time looping veteran, they're not gonna bitch about a few bodies or act like actual retards. This has to be the most high effort troll I've ever seen, the schizo literally hates everything that makes ML great. Why can't we have a Luxin?

>>22148199
...he's been trying to write his magnum opus three or four times now. That takes a level of autism that even this general can't quite approach. Note that the previous one hit nearly a million words where almost nothing happened. Story didn't even reach Sadogashima. Maybe try the AO3 stories, surely there's something better there.

>>22148199
It takes a certain nuance to write for Muv-Luv, sadly not many anons will have it. Making a direct sequel for Takeru is quite pointless, his journey is over. There's so much more to explore that it's a crying shame few fics focus on the universe. Reversal's author was at his best imo when he ditched the rehashed Alternative plot and began to play with the background lore of the IRG. I didn't knew he had restarted again, and on the chapter your image is in the guy pretty much admits he's not alright in the head. Just let the guy play in the sandbox, writing a compelling ML story is hard. We should be thankful to have had Luxin, I'd pay for a quality TL of his fanworks.

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>>22148297
All his fanworks are scanned and I have copies of the lot. All you'd need is a translator.

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Luxin also has a clear type. He likes his blonde gaijin girls. Both the French Josette/Ellen and and the Italian Alice Loredan here

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>>22144365
No one avoided the bleaching.

>>22148199
They could just do a Fanfic version of TSFIA I don't get, it just write: Big Robot Kill Alien and rinse and repeat not undo the ending of Alt

>>22137759
It's called TDA not TND. If they were all dead it wouldn't even be a dystopia.
>>22149101
I would "bleach" incho with my semen

>>22149264
>not undo the ending of Alt
tell that to cookie

sup /mlg/, here for my every-few-monthly check on this poor franchise's health while it's on life support.
It sounds like the relaunched gacha isn't doing so hot.
Do we know if there are any prospects for Integrate/Resonative? KimoNozo, TDG or Schwarzesmarken TLs? Is there any hope at all or should I just drink wine and replay the trilogy again?

>>22150151 (me)
>TDG
I meant TE, I'm a huge faggot please fuck my face

>>22150151
TE already had a TL, everything else is dead silent.

>>22148199
kek what the fuck am i reading

>>22150214
Someone's Muv Luv Fix Fic.

>>22150217
why fix what ain't broken lmao

>>22150151
Before the gacha launched a japanese fan leaked part of an Avex online meeting by literally buying stocks of the company and asking them what their plan for muv luv is.
The answer he got was is "if there are more PC games will depend on the success of Dimension(the gacha)"
And because Kouki is a fucking retard he didn't let this just be a random rumor some guy tweeted, he actually confirmed it was legit and made a tweet himself.

So in short, even months ago Avex didn't feel like investing any more money into the IP and they're just sitting around right now watching Dimension sales. I don't think there will be any translations either because their new dogshit engine means a translation means doing a full port.

If you trust the yen values from https://game-i.daa.jp/ (you really shouldn't they are highly inaccurate and just generated from the sales rankings) Dimensions went from making about 1.5 million usd(98 average rank) in its first month, to 1.1(189 average rank) the next, and this month with only 4 days left it is sitting at at 325k (362 average rank). The sales have absolutely collapsed. You can only hope Avex was satisfied enough with the first 2 months, because if the sales keep going down this hard things are looking real bad

>>22150498
So muv Luv gacha made 1.5 million in the first month, and somehow Avex still doesn't hire the old VAs. Also, most of the new VA are basically nobody.

>>22148247
>nearly a million words
>almost nothing happened

how the fuck is this possible?

>>22150545
at this point Avex is probably more concerned with cashing back as much of what they invested. that's the problem with the buyout or companies going public, shareholders care only about numbers and it's clear they bought the IP to milk it for Fate-like returns. That doesn't happen? No more muvluv

>>22150545
1.5 sounds like a lot until you consider that Dimensions was in development for like 4 fucking years, which also included an entire failed launch which they spend months advertising, including on television. Who knows how much money they really gained at the end of the day

>>22150545
the va change is not about money, it's about shilling new vas. it's the same thing with the tsukihime demake.

>>22150758
it's not though, tsukihime remake has aniplex all over it shilling people including the op and ed singers. The dimension change is literally about money, they had several old VAs for immortals and then threw all those recordings out the window.

>>22150498
This franchise has fans so dedicated they will buy your fucking stock to get the chance to ask about it’s future and these motherfuckers still think the IP’s useless because nobody wants their shitty gacha games. Jesus fucking CHRIST, you stupid can you be?

>>22150498
How much stock would we have to buy Anons?

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>>22151434
>>22129793
first there's no inia
then they butcher my other girl

I'm tired bros

>>22151467
Chin up Anon atleast you remembered better than nobody remembering :)

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>>22151467
>gives anon and the kitty a hug

>even the nfts flopped
muvbros...
how long do we give dimensions before eos...

>>22152322
Hopefully 10 seconds. Just fucking put this shit in the grave already

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>>22152451
Its almost over, finally

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>>22152483
WHY

>>22152322
I like how Avex has always wanted muv Luv to mainly focus on making money from trending scams like NFT and gacha mobile games, and now all of that backfires on their faces.

>>22152238
oh shit
Ayamine's birthday is the same day as mine
huh that's neat

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What are /mlg/'s thoughts on the manga? Just finished it and I kinda think it's an improvement on the VN in a few ways. It weaves together more of the details of the KimiNozo girls in a way that doesn't feel forced and makes them feel less like an afterthought/distraction than they do in the VN. I also think a lot of the big dramatic moments (Chomp[/spoiler] and its follow-up plotline, the conclusion of Operation 21st, Sumika's twizzler reminiscence) are enhanced by the way they're paced and illustrated.
Art's breddy gud too, especially when you consider how bad the anime was.

>>22152773
>spoilers
>me

>>22152773
I appreciate that it was the last official thing to have nipples in it. I wish it had a less shitty translation.

>>22152606
Why would you buy a series of VNs if you don't intend to make VNs?

>>22152779
Is it that bad? I can't into moonrunes so I can't tell, but the version I'm reading seems pretty solid.

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>>22144365
not that I watched the anime but I skipped around parts of ptsd and sadogashima and her ahoge never emotes and I think that should be grounds for public execution for everyone involved

>>22136905
if mirroring what happened in the real world SAC/USAF would be all for it since LeMay basically made SAC into what it was for most of the Cold War and he was constantly begging to nuke everyone

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>>22152786
I'm not sure if it got a better translator later on but at first it was everyone's least favorite h manga translator doing it

>>22116753
I got into it because someone posted Asu e no Houkou during /a/'s 25 days of autism and everyone was praising it in the chat so I decided to read it. I'm still a fan because it is easily one the three best fictional stories I've ever read. To this day I'm not sure why I like it so much, I've just accepted that I do.

>>22152781
Because FGO happened and ruined the VN industry by extension.

>>22153024
How?

>>22130932
I'm not really passionate on this matter, many people are factually incorrect when it comes to how foreign countries that hate the American system view the people of America. Even military leaders in countries as adversarial as Iran speak of Americans as an occupied people living under a tyrannical and poisonous government and financial system. Many are unironically falling for American propaganda when they think the countries who criticize America all have some sort of ISIS worldview regarding the citizens.

>>22153030
FGO generating so much money even though the origin of the franchise was an adult VN gave two kinds of people the idea that the success can be replicated:
>1. VN devs who are sick of being poor and want big cash
>2. Big investor companies who have no fucking idea about either industry and are just trying to follow an alchemy recipe that says Eroge + gacha = endless money
Some the first group runs their whole circle/company into the ground using what little money they have to make a gacha that quickly burns to the ground, sometimes both groups meet up and shit is sold. Going by KEY there's actually a secret third group, where you succeed and then sell out to tencent anyway.

very few VN devs are content with just making VNs anymore. Anyone in it for the money will try making a gacha. Frontwing made like 3 fucking grisaia gachas or some shit

>>22153068
I don't understand how that kills VNs. VNs don't turn the profit they used too, I get that, but they do still make some, right? Meanwhile FGO was lightning in a bottle, that's blatantly obvious to anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge of this, and that's been proven again and again and again.

anyone have the files for Schwarzesmarken? I may just machine translate it

>>22153053
?

>>22153248
not even worth reading to begin with desu senpai

>>22153009
The Unlimited Manga was fantranslated, the Alternative Manga was done by the same people who did the VN I believe.

>>22153009
>I'm not sure if it got a better translator later on but at first it was everyone's least favorite h manga translator doing it
iirc they announced an official translation not long after he finished the last chapter

>>22152773
I liked how it added side stories and other details. It also tries to cram in as much information as possible from the VN but as a result I think that it ends up being a little too wordy for a manga.

>>22151467
it's time to move on bro muvluv had its chances

Has there ever been any mention of Muv-Luv by the Gantz mangaka? I read it recently and found that the last parts of it felt very similar to Muv-Luv, particularly the silicon life/god aliens

>>22156515
That's just one of the many concepts Kouki stole from mainstream scifi authors, shit is so common it has a whole tvtropes page

>>22156230
would like to but where do we go? I don't know anything like it that could replace
kinda amazing that these retards managed to fuck it up this bad despite the lack of direct competition

>>22156622
if you like the dystopian world and mechas, there's armored core. Actually, most FromSoft stuff has that same dread against imposible odds the BETA originally have for the story. AC has nice lore of humans and tech struggling to simply survive that, to me, is what Integrate could have been about in a post-beta world.

>>22150997
Remember that avex did not have anyone overseeing immortals. They handed a fat stack of cash over to a random shitposter. They're clearly not the most competent when it comes to making money off of this series. For fuck's sake, lantis had their fingers all over the adaptation with two of their big names doing the ending and two of the openings, and avex is supposed to be a huge multimedia corporation themselves! You're telling me that they have NOBODY they could contribute besides a rando up-and-comer?

>>22150498
Remember that those "earnings" include nextninja whaling their own product to inflate the rankings to try and catch interest. What you're starting to see now is what it's truly worth, i.e. nothing

>>22157535
I am actually very confused about Immortals because there's stream recordings of various people involved saying there were regular progress update meetings with the avex gaming department or whatever the fuck, at the very least they must have had them when the game got delayed multiple times. Guess they must have been fine with PowerPoints and empty statements or something.

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Is that loli Yuuko's daughter OC from one of the failed gachas the closest we get to see to a non-ancient hag Yuuko?

Why aren't there any story set in the Moon War yet?

>>22153107
Fgo had the dubious distinction that few eroge to gacha games have had since: the original company, type-moon, was almost totally insulated from the consequences of it flopping because they still own Fate. Sony was left holding the bag to make it work.

>>22150545
That's not even enough to cover the cost of making the anime.

So Operation Ouka never? This is like a rehash of Total Eclipse. Nobody seems to want to adapt it for whatever reason.

>>22159660
Watch Schwarzesmarken. There you have a complete adaptation of a Muvluv related work, from the beginning all the way to the ending.

>>22159660
>Nobody seems to want to adapt it for whatever reason.
Have you seen the sales numbers? They literally had Takeru's new VA beg people to buy the BDs on an official livestream that aired before the final episode

>>22148199
>Why can't we have a Luxin
The last, best time to have that was back during the TE anime days, when there was not only Muvluv but a bunch of mecha anime coming out the following year. Nobody took up the mantle seriously, or if they did, they only pulled an Isayama and took inspiration from Muvluv for their own stories. Why?

Well, why not?

Age wasn't interested, and frankly neither was the west. The military element is very alienating regardless of whether that's your thing. See: the endless posts over the years criticizing not only how the beta were handled, but the geopolitics and geography. What was so bad was how well it could have worked with only a little more research. Have the beta land near St Lawrence River so America nukes the shit out of Quebec right around the height of Quebecois nationalism. Just like that, you have a huge chunk of Canada becoming uninhabitable and America being a pariah. Not nuking a land in the middle of nowhere.

Today I will remind them that the Youjo Senki author literally had an entire fucking "fanfiction" about fighting BETA

>>22159734
Wait, that's a thing?