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For the federation!
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>>21723732
these are best designs
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Shame on OP for not having a Naoyuki Katō or Kazutaka Miyatake pic as the image. Even an H.ANNO would have sufficed.
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Dumping Miyatake's concepts
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I'm disappointed by the book. There's like no plot.
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>>21723810
The folding rifle got yoinked by Heavy Gear for their pack guns, and also ended up as a real work prototype chassis from Magpul Industries. Miyatake obviously visually based it on the HK kraut magic G11
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>>21723832
last one.
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Some
Daicon III H.ANNO
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>>21723814
What a meaningless statement. Plot is narrative, and it's not like the book is just a series of non contextual descriptions of explosions and random letter sequences. There is nothing non-conventional about the book's story arc.
Starship Troopers is just a Robert Heinlein adventure novel, which means you have a fun story with a few central themes incorporated. In this case, some thoughts about military service and adult responsibility. And yeah, fascism. Nice contrast to the themes in Stranger in a Strange land or Friday.
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>>21723869
Shut up fag.
>muh facism
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I remember reading an interview with Micheal Ironside where he said he didn't want to be in the live action movie because everyone already thought he was a nazi despite being a sensitive libfag.
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Why is the Roughneck Chronicles the definite version of the Skinnies? Why did no other adaption make an attempt at them?
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>>21723869
It's not an adventure novel though? A massive amount of the novel is just Rico in school at Polisci class and spilling spaghetti over women. There are maybe 20 pages of fighting Bugs/Skinnies.
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>>21723912
This novel sucks.
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>>21723948
that's what makes it good

you want 300 pages of fighting read a warhammer book.
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>>21723943
because they're not as compelling as the pseudoarachnids or the MI and frankly they're not even important to the story
they pretty much exist as a generic enemy for the opening chapter, as characterization for humanity and world-building
roughnecks drags them up b/c they needed more content, same can be said for the minis game
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>>21723732
more like than...
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>>21723790
Agreed
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>>21725251
>because they're not as compelling
>b/c they needed more content, same can be said for the minis game
I guess, but don't you want more world building for the SST lore? Look at Darkhorse and Markosia did their own adaptions of Neo-Dogs from the novel, but built upon it with including the miniature game's lore.
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How do you feel about the armor in the new game? Its trying to be a hybrid of the first film and power armor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arYBWJit74k
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>>21729862
Pretty cool looking. Some weapons and bugs in other trailers seem to be from the CG flicks, maybe they'll add full power suits in the future like the new strategy game did.
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>>21729862
I enjoyed Aliens Fireteam Elite and Deep Rock Galactic. Hopefully this can fill my current PvE void, cause Darktide 40K got dull quick.
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>>21723823
>tfw being in $328,000,000 power armor doesn't mean you can't still make love to the ground and use your rifle
made me chuckle
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>>21730451
>Aliens Fireteam Elite
does this involve powered armor like Shitkicker?
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>>21730744
It doesn't but the Alien RPG supplement Colonial Marines Operations Manual does.
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It recently came to my attention that Heinlein was good friends with Doc E E Smith. Is there any chance the batshit power armor from Lensman had an influence on ST to any extent?
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>>21736755
It was posted on here that yes, he was also there in Smith's deathbed and that Heinlein was told how Lesman was supposed to end. From what I remember it involved incestual eugenics.
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>>21736763
>Doc E E Smith
>Lensman
Just started watching the anime adaption of Lensman recently. Also was interested by japanese adaptions of american properties.
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>>21736805
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>>21736803
I hate to break your heart, but E.E Smith's family put a kaibash on that. Something with copyright. Also Japanese adaptations of american properties were pretty rare even in the 80s. There was Captain Future, from what I know.
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>>21736818
>but E.E Smith's family put a kaibash on that.
Pic Related: https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/fTI1yeZd-tkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA142
Yeah his daughter is the reason the anime has never been officially re-released. Only reason I started the series was because Heinlein's praise of E.E. Smith. Saw that it was animated by Madhouse and directed by Hiroshi Fukutomi, which I liked his adaptions of Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury.
>Also Japanese adaptations of american properties were pretty rare even in the 80s.
Seeing that I liked the jap adaption of SST, I was why not give Lensman a chance.
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>>21736865
The wild west days of pulp sci fi were wild, legally. Also, the 80s was a golden time for anime. It really was the peak time of this cultural synthesis that brought out some kind of pure, artistic magic.
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>>21737436
>The wild west days of pulp sci fi were wild, legally.
Harmony Gold released a compilation movie of random episodes of the Lensman anime in the west. Truly fucking legal craziness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-td8Jp0hJVA
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>>21737522
God bless Harmony Gold. Those bastards sure were the masters. Honestly, I'm partial to those Gaga communication trailers for MD Geist and other anime.
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>>21737582
Forgot vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDoiadGeYXQ
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>>21736763
Heinlein never revealed what the final conclusion to Lensman was going to be, only that it followed the series 'inescapable logic'
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>>21729831
No. Trying to build on other's work is the mark of a hack
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>>21738068
I just meant that you can see glimpses of it in Heinlein's later works. I mean that's what I read on the wiki, and knowing Heinlein's strange sexual ideas I wouldn't be surprised.
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>>21738138
cool opinion faggot
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>>21728124
You do know that Aramaki and Koji Akimoto at ARTMIC drew heavily from Studio Nue's Starship Troopers work right?
That said, Koji Akimoto (Guraman) was/is a mechanical design genius and the true inheritor of Studio Nue's kenophobic design ethos. HIs most recent Madox art book is completely insane.
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>>21723869
What even is fascist about it other than the "can't vote if you didn't serve"? Is that even fascist considering the countries that have/used to have mandatory military service are mostly commieshit?
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>>21738796
Did you read the book?
Because:
"extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of both the nation and the single, powerful leader over the individual citizen"
certainly applies. With the Terran Federation filling the role of the single powerful leader.
Was Heinlein a fascist?
No.
Is it a book about fascism?
No, but the government as portrayed is a functional iron fist in a velvet glove. Remember, 1959 is peak cold war, and his fictional government is written as an exploration of what that future would be.
Starship Troopers also notably marks the end of his YA books and his move to more mature novels and themes. Definitely why it his most famous book versus his more 60's influenced sex and mild violence combined with author expies books.
And yes, I own nearly every Robert A. Heinlein published novel.
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Naoyuki Kato's novel art is so good. This has to be from the very first part of the book and the terror raid.
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>>21741706
finally a hires of this...
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>>21741242
Give me a rundown please anon on why he was trying to say in Friday?
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>>21741242
The Federation has fascist elements to it. Especially the implied early stages of it. Fascism often emerges from individual or social frustration, especially from a middle class (the disillusioned veterans who seized power and kept it to themselves), an emphasis on "life is struggle" mentality, the cult of the hero and the implied heroic death that is inculcated into youth.

It isn't fascist, but it has elements of it (a phenomenon known by historians and sociologists as ur-fascism). More than anything it's closer to a military junta. Regardless it's as utopian as something a Bolshevik could imagine.
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>>21723912
>everyone already thought he was a nazi
From...what movie previously? Total Recall? Scanners? Highlander 2?
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>>21744110
Projection
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Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBn_OCNtwHw
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>>21743113
I think the novels got reissued recently. Either way, I was pleased to have it show up in a 宇宙の戦士 tag search on twitter.
>>21743128
"What if James Bond was a smoking hot replicant with no compunctions and polygamous marriage and also big government rants"
80's Heinlein is fun but certainly past his prime.
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>>21744615
dakimakura...
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big ..
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>>21738280
The cycle continues
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>>21741242
>It's facist because shit-for-brains herbivores who never touched a rifle in their lives cannot reach positions of power, declare war and throw millions into danger

European moment
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>>21747446
Rude. I'm a proudly gun owning American who served his term.
Who can also discuss novels and powered armor without throwing shade at strangers. You do you.
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>>21738280
What artbook is that?
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>>21729862
It's very much a game of the film rather than the history of the property as a whole but Extermination is a surprising amount of fun, particularly considering how early it is in early access.
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>>21750012
Production art settei for Madox-01. Guraman/Grumann (Koji Akimoto) sells it at Comiket.
You could maybe dig through his twitter/pixiv to see if he sells it anywhere else.

In other news, a fresh SD Marauder from master Naoyuki Kato
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>>21750012
And seriously, Guraman is a completely insane detail master.
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>>21750351
>Production art settei for Madox-01
What does the cover look like?
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>>21750351
Not Starship Troopers related, but there's a couple of Guraman/GRUMMANA&AMP (Koji Akimoto) translations here, including some author notes:
https://timeldred.com/excellentat/

https://timeldred.com/bluesongs
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>>21750809
We're missing the A. D. Police (Bubblegum Crisis) Powered Suits.
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Why aren't there kits of the Starship Troopers anime Powered Suits? Is it some rights ownership thing?
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>>21747039
Looks like the General Products 1/8 Powered Suit from the 80's. Is it being re-released?

http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/1981/powered_suit_starship_troopers_studio_nuedaicon_iii
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>>21750911
Ah, yes, re-release:

https://1999.co.jp/eng/m/10987817
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>>21753592
Someone sent me a raw of all the episodes of this on VHS in the 90's and I never finished watching it because the animation is garbage and it was boring and dull. I love the original book, MADOX-01, Bubblegum Crisis, Warhammer 40K, and many other powered suit settings, but I couldn't finish the Starship Troopers anime- and I should be the primary audience for it.
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I've never seen Dorvack but the Powered Armor kits and art seem to have heavy inspiration from Studio Nue and Starship Troopers.
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>>21750843
There are? And they get rereleases and expansions. Wave makes nice kits.

https://www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&keyword=starship+troopers&x=0&y=0
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Naoyuki Kato did a good write up on why the feet have slippers (to act as the big toe)

http://naokatoh.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2011/10/5-ec41.html
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>>21750799
YOU, you are my new best friend.
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>>21754389
The egg is big now?
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>>21753670
>I've never seen Dorvack
it's fucking good

Apparently Kow Yokoyama says the Dorvack suits were ripping him off.
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>>21754381
That's not the anime version.
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>>21754412
The Dorvack suits are way cooler than SF3D/Maschinen Krieger (my favorite Dorvack Powered Armor is Berlon). Kow Yokoyama can kindly fuck off.
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>>21754772
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>>21754412
How do I watch it?
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>>21754395
Thank you for the (You).
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>>21754412
>it's fucking good
Note: this is not actually true
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>>21754798
Does it have good Powered Armor action?
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>>21754787
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>>21754381
To add to >>21754742, that's not the anime version, you fucking retard.
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>>21754805
At the start of the series the Powered Armors are treated more like the Destroids of the show but they begin to hold their own more as the show goes on. Of the two sponsors it seemed like Gunze Sangyo wanted the Powered Armors to have more screen time.
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>>21754842
Holy Jesus, that's some divine Powered Armor art. Does the show do it justice?
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>>21754846
There's a stock footage suit up scene they pull out a bunch of times and it's a pretty good looking show overall.
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>>21750343
What's his twitter?
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>>21754400
It's an extra large egg.
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The first third or Dorvack focuses on the team being more typical 80s action anime stars but once the mass-production type Variable Machines debut they get more integrated into the military. They even get to use Powered Armor themselves a bit.

https://youtu.be/mD3JEf1L6tc
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>>21754889
AI RABU YUUU
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>>21754902
It's such a banger of a soundtrack they even got Toru Furuya to belt out "Love's Notice" for it.

https://youtu.be/ojtVmw49K1c
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>>21754881
Naoyuki Kato is @NaoyukiKatoh
Guraman is @akimoto_kouzi
& https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/3376472
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>>21754996
>Production art settei for Madox-01
What does the cover look like?

I ordered pic related yesterday but I accidentally overpaid due to not searching every version of the author's name before comitting to the proxy purchase.
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>>21754996
God, I hate twitter.
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>>21754996
Muchas gracias.
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>>21749899
I will throw down with anybody and everybody because it is fun and good for you. Violence, physical and mental, is coded within humans. It is a part of us -- to suppress it causes mental distress akin to severing a healthy limb. There is a reason that modern life is falling apart. Fite me.

Every government eventually becomes a de-facto leader who performs quick and in-the-moment actions and a backing cabinent of specialists and proffessionals who decide on long-term plans. Everything else, what rules they establish to replace the members, what they value and how they deal with the living culture of their society, it all becomes set-dressing to the only leadership engine that works. Words like facist or democracy are distractions and falsehoods. Europe loves their long-winded philosiphers and political theorists, but it is prone to becoming too dense and devolves into appeal of authority fallacy for the sake of historical preservation. Calling Heinlien a facist is a VERY European moment.
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>>21755104
And to add, when I refere to violence, I do not mean violent crime. Martial arts, sports, and other forms of competitive excersize are what I refer to. It keeps the body strong and the brain witty. I highly recomend Kendo and Iaido.
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>>21755104
normal people don't have the urge to commit violence, that's for animals.

and the world is shit because people in charge, people who seek power, seek it for gratification.
like monkey gorging on bananas till its stomach bursts, so do leaders get high on power and money till the thing they govern falls apart.

good people don't bece leaders, because the requirement for that is reducing yourself to a level of politician and businessman or militant dictator. and its why were doomed as a species.
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>>21755104
>Violence, physical and mental, is coded within humans
Good to know you're worst than a nigger. Now eat shit and kys.
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....wait am i a facist? i read the book recently and I almost agreed with most of the ideas in it....i think it's impossible to apply in today's society because people are weak and ignorant but I can completely believe if the tides turned then starship troopers would've been an okay universe to live in. it's not like you HAVE to be a citizen. Rico's dad was a civilian and was living the good life.
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>>21758621
The big downfall of interacting with the hypothetical government in Starship Troopers is the same as interacting with a neighborhood homeowners association.
There is no appeal for those with no vote. If the rules say your house must be a certain color, that is the color it must be. If the military government annexes your business for the sake of the war machine, you say thank you. Your personal freedoms exist at the whims of others.
Secondly, there is no vote while still in the military. Meaning that none of the characters in the book have a say in the direction of the war(s). Beyond, "I quit" of course.
If you don't see how quickly dystopian that could get, then I don't know what to tell you. Heinlein's noble individuals are great in novels, but don't really exist in real life. (Have never existed.) Graft always wins.
All this of course is why the novel is so great. A short novel ,written over a few weeks in 1959 still continues to provoke thoughtful self examination.
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>>21744433
That's not the Ballad of Roger Young...
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>>21758720
The counter-argument to this is of course, 'well then just serve your tour and get out' but the problem is that you've now essentially created a society that serves the military, when it's generally agreed that armed forces should exist to serve the good of the society. And the keys of that society now inextricably lie with the source of all martial power in a way that they simply don't even in the most military-obsessed democracies of the Earth today. Gaining access to even a vote requires participating in and furthering the interests of these bodies that are accountable to nobody other than those that have already gone through them.
The more you pick at the mechanics the more questionable it becomes.
>>21758621
Nah. Not inherently, anyway. All sorts of things can seem like good ideas in the right context, or presented persuasively and devoid of a proper counter-example/argument.
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>>21758720
>>21758828
i guess but in THIS society, humanity would live in accordance to man's own best interest. insanely impossible to apply but let's say the military in this supposed world (which it kinda is in the book) was all knowing and would drive humanity to be the best, is that not a good thing? yes again, impossible to apply to real life because fucking asshole humans hope they all die but in this novel everyone who's "important" has served and looks out for each other.
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>>21758621
The ideas aren't bad in their own right, but they suppose and require people to behave in a way that they basically do not. At least not in meaningfully large numbers. The book even kind of brings this up when someone asks why their system works and they go "it just does, I guess".
To piggyback off >>21758720's HOA analogy, they're great ideas if they work how they're supposed to, but you're just going to find the system filled with self-serving assholes.
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I was rewatching the movie a couple of times for the past week and I do not understand the complaint that the movie has "bad acting". Intentionally campy? Sure but people act like the main cast did a terrible job but I never saw a scene where it was "oh wow, yeah they botched that shot". Are people just stupid?
>MEDIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The movie felt like half of a Starship Troopers inspired spec script that now weighs down everything with that name forever.
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>>21758720
Literally no different than any democratic system that requires citizenship. Your argument is moot. Almost all ancient democratic system required land ownership and service in military to be considered as citizens
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>>21759887
the movie was better than the book.
okay more entertaining than the book. i love it. i need to really watch the cg show and movie
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>>21758828
The Federation's service isn't just military though. We read about characters in the military but the only commonality between all service is that it's in some way dangerous and the term is not shorter than two years.
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>>21759712
Sure but if you're talking impossible hypotheticals then any system of governance could work perfectly. A dictatorship is great if the dictator's a really nice, all-knowing guy. A modern liberal democracy is perfect if political parties and the general public all agree on what's best and everyone votes to move towards it in the way that's best. Getting one of those sport outcome predicting animals to pick your policies could be ideal if they get really lucky.
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>>21759887
iirc it started as completely unrelated script about killing bug aliens and the studio noticed they had the ST rights already so they grafted it on, sorta like I, Robot
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>>21760631
To be fair it's a little more than that. The original script already had some of the satire elements and when they realised the similarity it was adapted around Starship Troopers. They didn't just replace some names and call it a day.
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>>21760683
It's also not an actual refutation of the book though. It's a parody, but it's got no more substance than "don't these uniforms look a bit sus? look, evil propaganda video with upbeat voice over!", like a kid repeating what you said in a silly voice. It deserves its unironic pro-military fanbase for not having the guts to actually tackle the material directly.
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I think the best example of how the movie hampers the franchise is how Roughnecks put in token "Would you Like to Know More?" segments despite being a more down to earth and somber story. Obvious that show exists because of the Verhoeven movie but seemed to dislike being beholden to it.
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Would you read a Yasuo Starship Troopers manga?
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>>21762176
Yasuo is his first name, that's like asking if you would read a comic book by Jim
Yasuo > OHTAGAKI <
But yeah, as long as the grimdark was tempered by overcompetence.
Heinlein certainly never shied away from violence and the repercussions of.
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>>21760631
To quote tv tropes (and only because it's the first site I saw, but I can confirm it's true on plenty of other sources)
>This film was originally an Aliens ripoff called Bug Hunt on Outpost Nine, but enough similarities between it and Heinlein's novel were noticed that the studio bought the novel's film rights to avoid a plagiarism suit and the script altered accordingly (Aliens was itself heavily based on the novel). Verhoeven claims to have only read the first two chapters of the book before giving up out of boredom.

You know this thread makes me realize I haven't sat down and watch the sunrise ova in a while
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>>21765645
what a shitter.



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