Previous thread: >>21277686Let's discuss the best TV series of UC Gundam. >Should I skip ZZ?No! ZZ is essential viewing. The First Neo Zeon War is as important as any other conflict in UC history. You miss out on essential character development(Haman & Kamille/Fa, Minerva Zabi), fantastic mecha designs, best OP/ED songs in UC, lots of great new characters (Elpeo Ple, Ple Two, Chara Soon, Roux Louka) including Judau who is one of the best protagonists in Gundam.>But /m/ told me Moon Moon ruins the showAbsolutely not. Moon Moon is important canon wise now with Moon Gundam being a thing. >I'm still not convincedHaman, Kamille, Fa, Bright Noa and other favourites are still there. ZZ is still referenced in newer UC titles showing it's importance and longevity.
This feels like North Korea propaganda. I love The Party and ZZ.
Silent Voice is such a great OP, I love it!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNjf0OeMCkA
zz isn't an anime, why is it being posted here?
>>21299330Hilarious and original joke. Upvoted.
I am the only one that dislikes ZZ's OPs and EDs?I am fine with the show itself.
We could've done with a less baity OP but happy to see ZZ get some love nonetheless.>>21299288Facts.>>21299330Toku clause applies.>>21299363What's wrong with them? I think ZZ's music department is pretty good.
>>21299363>he doesn't break out in hardcore dancing every time Anime Ja Nai playsYou're never gonna make it bro
>>21299400I don't know I just don't enjoy them. I find Anime Ja Nai really annoying and Silent Voice lacking a bit of energy.I am not complaining about the OST itself though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YI2EYSfnYs
>>21299436>Silent Voice lacking a bit of energyWell it's at a point where the show gets a bit more dramatic and dense with the emotions, I think it fits and just sounds very nice overall.
>>21299445Maybe I fangirl over this one too much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCBNU1nt8k
>>21299446Comparing it to the best OP in the franchise is no fair.
>>21299193I just started ZZ after finishing Zeta (which I watched after 79) and I really disliked the first episode. Also while I thought Zeta was stronger overall than gundam 79 I think its ending arc was quite a bit worse. I'm going to continue but Zeta gripped me right away after finishing og gundam and this was kind of disappointing.
>>21299193> ZZ is essential viewing> It's important canonOh fuck off; if you're going to have a reason to watch something, anything, not just ZZ Gundam, let it be because it interests you and you enjoy it. None of it is essential. Especially not in Gundam, where every new entry takes pains to on-ramp the viewer by explaining everything the viewer might need to know even if they haven't seen past entries. Fuck, ZZ itself opens with a literal recap of 0079 and Zeta, but even putting that aside, Char's Counterattack and Unicorn explain everything you'd need to know from prior entries even if haven't seen them. Just watch what you want and enjoy; fuck this "it's canon/essential" horseshit.
My personal favorite part was when the colony got dropped while they were fighting. That stretch of episodes was when I realized I was enjoying it more than Zeta.
>>21299519Char's Counterattack doesn't explain anything.
>>21299446I'm partial to the dvd openings because that's how I watched themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXxUp3ol_sw
>>21299519hurt me more sempai
>>21299528Yes, it does. Char explains his motives to Amuro while they're fighting over Fifth Luna at the start of the film, as well as summing up the Zeon/Federation history during his speech at Sweetwater and all the Newtype stuff is explained by Hathaway and Quess inside Londenion.
>>21299446basic bitch taste but whatever
>>21299519The fact you don't understand it's just a joke opposing the "ZZ isn't essential so you should just skip it" retards is troubling.
>>21299652The fact you think "it's a joke, bro; don't think about it too much" means lots of people reading won't take it seriously because it's been removed from that context and is just it's own thing says you don't understand how things are perceived online.
>>21299657>clearly bait OP>goes ahead full force and engages on a fight against it trying to prove it wrong
>>21299193>Haman is still there I liked most of ZZ but Haman going undercover in a team rocket tier disguise to get closer to a 14 year old boy was when I realised they may as well have just made a different character entirely.
>>21299743Haman isn't royalty nor that important, why is her pursuing her desires a bad thing?
>>21299749She's one of the main villains throughout the entire duration of the show, seems pretty important to me.>why is her pursuing her desires a bad thingShe has no reason to act like a goofy saturday morning cartoon villain, especially so late into the show's runtime. If they wanted to focus on her Judau obsession then they had a bunch of other newtype relationships from previous shows to take cues from, hell they did Puru and Judau better and that was in the same show.
>>21299762>goofy saturday morning cartoon villain?????
>>21299762Haman and Judau is one of the most random and awful pairings of all time.
>>21299782They are no more of a pairing than Amuro and Sayla or even Char and Haman.
>>21299564She thinks so
>>21299743They referenced this in OL Haman and I actually laughed.
>>21299743Why are so many people in Gundam groomers?
>>21299564>>21299848Haman x Judau would have created a Neo-Zeon newtype dynasty capable of saving the Universal Century, and some seriously spicy (borderline) /ss/ content to boot.>>21299855She looks better with her full minky momo hair though
ZZ is actually my favorite early UC entry but I hated Moon Moon and everything to do with it in the show. Moon Gundam is good though and I think it's redeeming the one flaw ZZ had.
>>21299524Puru & Axis to Puru II's Descent is peak ZZ, gets kind of muddy after that though
>>21299977Tomino recognizing the grooming cycle
>episode 3Bright's a fucking retardThis guy with the rose is a sailor moon villainWas the budget for this show 200 yen and a ham sandwich? They just spent like a minute and a half showing footage from MSG and the previous episode.
>>21300391Marshmellow is great.
>tying rope to a tree and using it to trip a mobile suitwho wrote this
>>21300391>Bright's a fucking retardI would recommend dropping before you go any further then anon. His character diminishes a large chunk in ZZ. Also Beecha and Mondo should've been removed from the ship. It's amazing how hand off the OG crew is with the new cast despite how poorly they treat them generally
>>21300578Maybe they were hoping they'd all die. Or really were just soft on the kids after seeing what happened to Kamile. >>21300480Yeah that part was oof.>>21300033I liked Moon Moon because of the scene of Judau forgiving Chara for fucking up the prisoner exchange of his sister, because he realizes she's clearly mentally ill and can't bring himself to keep hating her.Now the followup in space hong kong with the pedoking and the really REALLY cheap animation sliding aquatic MS and a character dying by jumping ON TOP of someone with no actual injury. That was bullshit.
>>21299288>>21299436>>21299363Chieko Honda (Puru's voice actress, RIP) sang a version of it you may like more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_0qF2aCzZ0
I just got to “afternoon in Dublin”Why is Bright reporting to Federation heads? Isn’t AEUG still at war with the feddies, even with the Titans gone?[/Spoiler]
>>21300700The Federation apparently made a truce with the AEUG and Karaba and was trying to reabsorb them since the Titans went rogue.
Jidai ga Naiteiru is very underrated, I omoshimasu
Glemybros, what went wrong? We almost had it all.
>>21300717Why does ZZ have such top tier waifu characters and CCA have... Quess?
>>21300618>oofGo back zoomer.
>>21300729Quess is a little shit by design, where as Roux and Elle are intended to be waifu-able
>>21300708Is that ever directly mentioned in the show?
>>21299532might be one of the most skippable opening I ever heard.
>>21299519you are one of those fags that needs '/s'
>>21300729>CCA have... Quess?anon, its a film vs 47 ep serieseven then we got Chan and Nanai 'the god tier tomino approved pussy' Miguel I also think quess would look better without her twintails.
>>21299532I prefer the REAL North American openinghttps://youtu.be/z8HdtWV9gQM
>>21300727I wonder how Glemy vs Char would've went
I don't feel like making my own thread about this, so I'll ask here. CDA and Define are their own AU, aren't they? CDA is so poorly written I was surprised people treat it as canon.
It's not fair bros... He had a loli empire all to himself...
>>21301108He was a gentleman and a scholar, didn't care about the lolis other than their potential for war.
>>21301125>didn't care about the lolisThat was glemy's downfall, instead he simped and died to some purple haired bitch
>>21301032I imagine like that scene with the Zakrello in 0079; as in, Char is later told he defeated some named guy, and goes "I what now? Okay" and moving on, without anyone knowing or caring.>>21301094The only people who treat it as canon are people who like it and want it to inform Haman specifically, in my experience.
>>21301094Is Define finished? Will ZZ Define be a thing?
>>21301238kamille is literally me
>>21301238I WILL NOW READ YOUR MANGA!
>>21301339love this chonky boi
>>21300914I thought it was said shortly after Dakkar in Zeta itself.
I watched the first four episodes of ZZ after finishing Z. Is the whole show like this? I was told there was a tone shift, but this is more than i expected (i feel like this phrase is heard a lot).Are the characters at least more likeable than the Z cast? Because i can’t imagine them getting any worse than the women and children (except for emma, she was cool) from Zeta.Also the rose guy (while goofy) seems like a nice guy, so while i expect that guy to defect at some point, i hope that the Neo Zeon people are just normal dudes that are with Zeon, and not murder schizos like the Titans were.
>>21304576it gets more serious afterwards, zz girls are some of the best in the franchise and most of the cast is likeable.
>>21304607Well that’s a good sign. My main gripes about Z were that they tried too hard to dehumanize the Titans, and there were too many episodes about one of the girls or Katz being a bitch for twenty minutes.
best supporting character coming through
I needed more Full Armor ZZ, one episode was too little!
The first few episodes felt too silly until they got to earth.
>>21300987I'm still pissed that Zeta Beyond The Time wasn't used in more SRW games because of the licensing stuff.
I just finished ep 7. Do the writers hate Fa or something? I know they have to set up Judau as the new pilot but Fa seems way too incompetent compared to how she was in Zeta. She wasn't the best pilot but she should be flying circles around these neo-Zeon greenhorns. Maybe the Zeta's controls are just weird.I do appreciate that they actually give some lines and personality to the Zeon pilots. My favorite part of 0079 was how almost every minor character and enemy pilot felt like a real person and Zeta didn't really have that as much.
>>21307723Fa doesn't want to do war no more.
>>21307723A lot of returning characters come back...different in my opinion.
>>21307723>these neo-Zeon greenhornsthey were the very same guys who made short work of the Titans in their first sortie in the former show, piloting some lousy Gaza-Cs nonetheless. Fa always been a sorry excuse for a pilot, to the point Bright was making excuses to not deploy her. Stop glorify her, this meme long outlived its welcome, really
>>21307803The ones in Zeta are more than likely actual OYW vets since they just arrived in the Earthsphere after spending years in faraway orbit around the sun. However, ZZ establishes that after the final battle of Zeta they started recruiting pilots from the colonies to replenish their losses as they started invading the Sides, so there are definitely greenhorns in ZZ mixed in with the older Axis soldiers like Rakan.
>the show gets serious after episode 20 trust me bro
>>21300727You never came close to having anything, deluded fool.
>>21308522When people say ZZ "gets better" they should really specify it's just the earth arc because ZZ is shit any time they're in space.
>>21308522Yes, it does. The thing people always seem to leave out is that the silly starts creeping back in after ep 37, once it starts heading towards a conclusion and realises it needs to start bringing back all of those silly characters from the first chunk to give them proper closure.
>>21308624Bitch just say you are an earthnoid.
>>21308522>they vandalized Roux's wardrobe to pull their trap shtick.Imagine her statuesque body barely contained in a qipao
>>21308708>Imagine her statuesque body barely contained in a qipaofuck me, there is likely no fanart of it.its not fucking fair
Why didn't this guy appear in the show?
>>21308944The actor was busy working in Machine Robo, but that didn't take off so he came back to Gundam later.
>>21300033I'm the opposite, I was fine with Moon Moon in ZZ and hate literally everything about Moon Gundam. MSV-R is so much better at filling the gap between ZZ and CCA even with its fair share of nonsense
>>21300700AEUG and Titans were both technically part of the Federation, while being separate from the EFF itself. Shit is weird
>>21299193daily reminder, this is the best ost the franshise has to offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YI2EYSfnYs
>>21300727pedophiles should pretty much die
I love her and I don't care that loving her makes me a faggot.
>>21310041You are confusing Glemmy with Char, common mistake.
>>21310041Glemmy was just using the lolis to fight in his war, not sexual pleasure. He had eyes only for one.
>>21308645>Proper closureEWhhhh I'm not sure "Jumps on top of her boyfriend and somehow dies" is really great on that front.
>>21310336>I'm not sure "Jumps on top of her boyfriend and somehow dies" is really great on that frontAs opposed to?
>>21310356An actual cause of death?
>>21310123To begin, draw an Z for Zeonor Glemy. Er, whatever. Next, we'll draw a more different Z
the whole transformation process for the ZZ seems horribly inefficient. Core Fighter stuff always kinda has. zaku zeta owns
ZZ is both essential viewing and sucks ass like you wouldn't believe for long stretches.
I don't get why people don't like ZZ. It wasn't amazing but it's nowhere near bad, I'd watch it over most of the post 00s Gundams.
>>21310798The main cast of characters is awful, I really hate Judau and his Mary Sue ass, and Zeta is 100% for real my favorite anime ever made so this "sequel" feels like a hot knife in my back. I don't watch AU series except G.
>>21310798Gundam having worse shows being put out over the years does not automatically redeem ZZ. It is still the worst Gundam show of the 80s, and even in just the decade after it, the only show worse than it was WING.
>>21311180>uh well it's the weakest one of the strongest era of gundam shows!Lol, ZZ is a good show period.
>>21311180>worst Gundam in the 80sI'll admit it's not as good as Zeta, CCA and 0080, but I'll be damned if it's worse than SD Gundam.
>>21310798Because it's fucking laaaaaaaaame after the desert arc ends
>>21301238My absolutely favorite scene in Zeta is when Bright is eating a burger and Emma just comes up to him out of nowhere and says "I can't be a mother figure to Kamille, he's too attracted to me!" and Bright just bites his burger again, doesn't bat and eye and says "uh-huh."
>>21311292Bright is slowly losing it throughout Zeta and by ZZ he's had enough and wants to go home, that scene where he meets Mirai's ex and tells him "I haven't seen my wife or kids in 6 months" in the most deadpan way possible leading to everyone in the room awkwardly shuffling cracked me up.
>>21308944Tomino originally envisioned a ZZ where Char would work under Haman in Neo Zeon before assassinating her and then taking control of the faction to wage war on the Federation. However, Char's Counterattack got greenlit part way through and his original plan for ZZ and Char's part in it was incompatible with Char's Counterattack, because that plan called for ZZ to end with Judau inspiring everyone to move off Earth before leaving for Mars himself to help settle it. Char's fate isn't mentioned in the notes, but even if he lived, the heads of the Federation would be dead and all his motivation for action in Char's Counterattack would be gone, since Earth is either abandoned or in the active process of it happening because of the end of ZZ. So Tomino just pulled Char from it altogether, while reworking the actual plot alongside the main writers to ensure it didn't actually preclude Char's Counterattack.Honestly, I don't think it was worth the trade off. I never liked that Char basically just disappeared after Haman defeated him, because it felt like a thing he'd want revenge for and I prefer an ending like that where the setting moves on a bit and further stories are about new issues rather than F91 and Victory circling back to being about Earthnoid/Spacenoid problems once again.
>>21311310>losing it throughout Zeta and by ZZ he's had enough and wants to go home,Nah, he was preoccupied by his little piece on the side
>>21311329I do not think Bright really had any feelings towards her, most of the interactions were very one sided like in your gif (nigga nearly got raped).
>>21310291Where the fuck is this AI stuff coming from?>asking for... err... a friend. Yeah let's say that
>>21311325...this sounds better than Char's Character Assassination really desu
>>21311397For Char's character it maybe could have been better. Judau being treated as a spacenoid messiah figure is fucking awful though, had there not been any push back on that it would have been SEED Destiny tier.
>>21311329bright wtf you have a scooby doo eye wife at home
>>21311420He does get to lead the first interstellar Newtype colonisation mission in V Gundam Gaiden though, so it's not as if the idea was ultimately abandoned. Though IMO it was far too good for a mere spinoff manga, easily a better idea by far than most of the AU series
>>21311325>Tomino originally envisioned a ZZ where Char would work under Haman in Neo Zeon before assassinating herI hope to God he chokes her to death during sex.
>>21311338He did stare longingly out a viewport and say her name.
>>21311338>I do not think Bright really had any feelings towards heryeah, sure
>>21311325not that I think you are lying, but post source
I genuinely love ZZIt was a tad silly at times, but the suits looked better than anything in the last 10 years. >>21310749Shit like this was just entertaining, mix this with psychic loli's, colony drops, a likable MC. All that really made me enjoy it.>>21311522>not loving the icy cold women, getting them to lower their guard and show they just wanna be an UWU tooNo.