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Previous thread: >>21277686

Let's discuss the best TV series of UC Gundam.
>Should I skip ZZ?
No! ZZ is essential viewing. The First Neo Zeon War is as important as any other conflict in UC history. You miss out on essential character development(Haman & Kamille/Fa, Minerva Zabi), fantastic mecha designs, best OP/ED songs in UC, lots of great new characters (Elpeo Ple, Ple Two, Chara Soon, Roux Louka) including Judau who is one of the best protagonists in Gundam.
>But /m/ told me Moon Moon ruins the show
Absolutely not. Moon Moon is important canon wise now with Moon Gundam being a thing.
>I'm still not convinced
Haman, Kamille, Fa, Bright Noa and other favourites are still there. ZZ is still referenced in newer UC titles showing it's importance and longevity.
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This feels like North Korea propaganda. I love The Party and ZZ.
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Silent Voice is such a great OP, I love it!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dNjf0OeMCkA
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zz isn't an anime, why is it being posted here?
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>>21299330
Hilarious and original joke. Upvoted.
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I am the only one that dislikes ZZ's OPs and EDs?
I am fine with the show itself.
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We could've done with a less baity OP but happy to see ZZ get some love nonetheless.

>>21299288
Facts.
>>21299330
Toku clause applies.
>>21299363
What's wrong with them? I think ZZ's music department is pretty good.
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>>21299363
>he doesn't break out in hardcore dancing every time Anime Ja Nai plays

You're never gonna make it bro
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>>21299400
I don't know I just don't enjoy them. I find Anime Ja Nai really annoying and Silent Voice lacking a bit of energy.
I am not complaining about the OST itself though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YI2EYSfnYs
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>>21299436
>Silent Voice lacking a bit of energy
Well it's at a point where the show gets a bit more dramatic and dense with the emotions, I think it fits and just sounds very nice overall.
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>>21299445
Maybe I fangirl over this one too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCBNU1nt8k
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>>21299446
Comparing it to the best OP in the franchise is no fair.
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>>21299193
I just started ZZ after finishing Zeta (which I watched after 79) and I really disliked the first episode. Also while I thought Zeta was stronger overall than gundam 79 I think its ending arc was quite a bit worse.
I'm going to continue but Zeta gripped me right away after finishing og gundam and this was kind of disappointing.
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>>21299193

> ZZ is essential viewing
> It's important canon

Oh fuck off; if you're going to have a reason to watch something, anything, not just ZZ Gundam, let it be because it interests you and you enjoy it. None of it is essential. Especially not in Gundam, where every new entry takes pains to on-ramp the viewer by explaining everything the viewer might need to know even if they haven't seen past entries. Fuck, ZZ itself opens with a literal recap of 0079 and Zeta, but even putting that aside, Char's Counterattack and Unicorn explain everything you'd need to know from prior entries even if haven't seen them. Just watch what you want and enjoy; fuck this "it's canon/essential" horseshit.
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My personal favorite part was when the colony got dropped while they were fighting. That stretch of episodes was when I realized I was enjoying it more than Zeta.
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>>21299519
Char's Counterattack doesn't explain anything.
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>>21299446
I'm partial to the dvd openings because that's how I watched them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXxUp3ol_sw
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>>21299532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSeKsOgjwKY
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>>21299519
hurt me more sempai
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>>21299528

Yes, it does. Char explains his motives to Amuro while they're fighting over Fifth Luna at the start of the film, as well as summing up the Zeon/Federation history during his speech at Sweetwater and all the Newtype stuff is explained by Hathaway and Quess inside Londenion.
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>>21299446
basic bitch taste but whatever
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>>21299519
The fact you don't understand it's just a joke opposing the "ZZ isn't essential so you should just skip it" retards is troubling.
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>>21299652

The fact you think "it's a joke, bro; don't think about it too much" means lots of people reading won't take it seriously because it's been removed from that context and is just it's own thing says you don't understand how things are perceived online.
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>>21299657
>clearly bait OP
>goes ahead full force and engages on a fight against it trying to prove it wrong
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>>21299193
>Haman is still there
I liked most of ZZ but Haman going undercover in a team rocket tier disguise to get closer to a 14 year old boy was when I realised they may as well have just made a different character entirely.
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>>21299743
Haman isn't royalty nor that important, why is her pursuing her desires a bad thing?
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>>21299749
She's one of the main villains throughout the entire duration of the show, seems pretty important to me.
>why is her pursuing her desires a bad thing
She has no reason to act like a goofy saturday morning cartoon villain, especially so late into the show's runtime. If they wanted to focus on her Judau obsession then they had a bunch of other newtype relationships from previous shows to take cues from, hell they did Puru and Judau better and that was in the same show.
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>>21299762
>goofy saturday morning cartoon villain
?????
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>>21299762
Haman and Judau is one of the most random and awful pairings of all time.
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>>21299782
They are no more of a pairing than Amuro and Sayla or even Char and Haman.
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>>21299564
She thinks so
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>>21299743
They referenced this in OL Haman and I actually laughed.
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>>21299743
Why are so many people in Gundam groomers?
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>>21299564
>>21299848
Haman x Judau would have created a Neo-Zeon newtype dynasty capable of saving the Universal Century, and some seriously spicy (borderline) /ss/ content to boot.

>>21299855
She looks better with her full minky momo hair though
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ZZ is actually my favorite early UC entry but I hated Moon Moon and everything to do with it in the show. Moon Gundam is good though and I think it's redeeming the one flaw ZZ had.
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>>21299524
Puru & Axis to Puru II's Descent is peak ZZ, gets kind of muddy after that though
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>>21299977
Tomino recognizing the grooming cycle
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>episode 3
Bright's a fucking retard
This guy with the rose is a sailor moon villain
Was the budget for this show 200 yen and a ham sandwich? They just spent like a minute and a half showing footage from MSG and the previous episode.
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>>21300391
Marshmellow is great.
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>tying rope to a tree and using it to trip a mobile suit
who wrote this
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>>21300391
>Bright's a fucking retard
I would recommend dropping before you go any further then anon. His character diminishes a large chunk in ZZ.

Also Beecha and Mondo should've been removed from the ship. It's amazing how hand off the OG crew is with the new cast despite how poorly they treat them generally
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>>21300578
Maybe they were hoping they'd all die. Or really were just soft on the kids after seeing what happened to Kamile.

>>21300480
Yeah that part was oof.

>>21300033
I liked Moon Moon because of the scene of Judau forgiving Chara for fucking up the prisoner exchange of his sister, because he realizes she's clearly mentally ill and can't bring himself to keep hating her.

Now the followup in space hong kong with the pedoking and the really REALLY cheap animation sliding aquatic MS and a character dying by jumping ON TOP of someone with no actual injury. That was bullshit.
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>>21299288
>>21299436
>>21299363
Chieko Honda (Puru's voice actress, RIP) sang a version of it you may like more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_0qF2aCzZ0
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I just got to “afternoon in Dublin”
Why is Bright reporting to Federation heads? Isn’t AEUG still at war with the feddies, even with the Titans gone?[/Spoiler]
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>>21300700
The Federation apparently made a truce with the AEUG and Karaba and was trying to reabsorb them since the Titans went rogue.
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Jidai ga Naiteiru is very underrated, I omoshimasu
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Glemybros, what went wrong? We almost had it all.
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>>21300717
Why does ZZ have such top tier waifu characters and CCA have... Quess?
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>>21300618
>oof
Go back zoomer.
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>>21300729
Quess is a little shit by design, where as Roux and Elle are intended to be waifu-able
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>>21300708
Is that ever directly mentioned in the show?
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>>21299532
might be one of the most skippable opening I ever heard.
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>>21299519
you are one of those fags that needs '/s'
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>>21300729
>CCA have... Quess?
anon, its a film vs 47 ep series
even then we got Chan and Nanai 'the god tier tomino approved pussy' Miguel I also think quess would look better without her twintails.
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>>21299532
I prefer the REAL North American opening
https://youtu.be/z8HdtWV9gQM
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>>21300727
I wonder how Glemy vs Char would've went
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I don't feel like making my own thread about this, so I'll ask here. CDA and Define are their own AU, aren't they? CDA is so poorly written I was surprised people treat it as canon.
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It's not fair bros... He had a loli empire all to himself...
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>>21301108
He was a gentleman and a scholar, didn't care about the lolis other than their potential for war.
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>>21301125
>didn't care about the lolis
That was glemy's downfall, instead he simped and died to some purple haired bitch
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>>21301032

I imagine like that scene with the Zakrello in 0079; as in, Char is later told he defeated some named guy, and goes "I what now? Okay" and moving on, without anyone knowing or caring.

>>21301094

The only people who treat it as canon are people who like it and want it to inform Haman specifically, in my experience.
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>>21301094
Is Define finished? Will ZZ Define be a thing?
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>>21301238
kamille is literally me
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>>21301238
I WILL NOW READ YOUR MANGA!
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>>21301339
love this chonky boi
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>>21300914
I thought it was said shortly after Dakkar in Zeta itself.
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I watched the first four episodes of ZZ after finishing Z. Is the whole show like this? I was told there was a tone shift, but this is more than i expected (i feel like this phrase is heard a lot).
Are the characters at least more likeable than the Z cast? Because i can’t imagine them getting any worse than the women and children (except for emma, she was cool) from Zeta.
Also the rose guy (while goofy) seems like a nice guy, so while i expect that guy to defect at some point, i hope that the Neo Zeon people are just normal dudes that are with Zeon, and not murder schizos like the Titans were.
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>>21304576
it gets more serious afterwards, zz girls are some of the best in the franchise and most of the cast is likeable.
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>>21304607
Well that’s a good sign. My main gripes about Z were that they tried too hard to dehumanize the Titans, and there were too many episodes about one of the girls or Katz being a bitch for twenty minutes.



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