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Total Eclipse is out on Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/787510/MuvLuv_Alternative_Total_Eclipse_Remastered/

>Muv-Luv Extra/Unlimited
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/802880/MuvLuv/
Torrent: https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2996782 (Disk 5)
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw/folder/GM5WTLBI
>Muv-Luv Alternative
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/802890/MuvLuv_Alternative/
Torrent: https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2996782 (Disk 6)
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw/folder/HdhkVZjA
>Muv-Luv photonflowers*
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/889700/MuvLuv_photonflowers/
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw/file/nBoDiKCL
>Muv-Luv photonmelodies
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/889710/MuvLuv_photonmelodies/
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw/file/fMoHVSiB
>Muv-Luv Unlimited: THE DAY AFTER
Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/18646/MuvLuv_Unlimited__The_Day_After_ULTIMATE_COLLECTION/
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw/folder/SF4mDT6b

>Muv-Luv Alternative Manga
Steam 1-4: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1501130/MuvLuv_Alternative_Manga_Super_Bundle_1/
Steam 5-8: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1616080/MuvLuv_Alternative_Manga_Super_Bundle_2/
Steam 9-12: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1811020/MuvLuv_Alternative_Manga_Super_Bundle_3/
All: https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/20911206/#20938263

>Other Downloads
Archive: https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw
20th Anniversary Box (Ryuugames): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rLi8H6aA-7NpeZxHVACGOGS59P2upNsw
20th Anniversary Box (Torrent): https://sukebei.nyaa.si/?f=0&c=0_0&q=age%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%82%B9+%EF%BD%9E20thBOX+Edition

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>rushing so hard you put general name in namefield
still less raw than immortals
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>>21046471
brother it is a saturday, I'm drunk as fuck
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>the absolute state of moovyloonies
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Honestly what are your opinions on all the kiminozo kickstarter shitposting Kouki has been doing, I find it kind of pathetic that he has to start talking about this shit without getting legal permission to actually do it first because he is fully aware that without internet backing Avex would just ignore him. He has also said shit like "a 18+ version would probably be possible because it would be âge, not Anchor." which seems kind of delusional to me. He also says retarded shit like wanting to include all the radio episodes in an anniversary box but he doesn't actually know if they still have them as files. He also constantly brings up that "Kiminozo is really popular overseas" because the germans had a dub of the anime 15 years ago or whatever
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>>21046677
No matter how "pathetic" you think it looks, the guy just wants his stuff released and I can never dunk on him for that.
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>>21046677
it'd probably be the smartest thing to do financially and use that momentum to get an anime studio to make a remake of the KimiNozo anime. I've been saying that they should've had that as their focus first to get easy money as mecha stuff isn't that big anymore to general audiences while romance/drama anime is. At least Kouki is trying something despite how deranged it may seem.
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>>21046756
based germoid hater
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one, but there are others fighting the good fight I see.

>>21046677
KimiNozo is fairly popular overseas, to the point where it has an English dub and is more popular than the majority of Gundam shows on shitty sites like MAL. I don't think it's nearly as deranged as it sounds.

>>21047030
You know, honestly, I never thought of it that way but that makes so much more sense. RomComs/Dramas make way more bank than robot shit nowadays, so starting with KimiNozo and even a Muv-Luv Extra adapt would have been way smarter. I guess the problem is finding a studio interested in doing both.
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If Kouki promises an international 18+ release, I fail to see why would the kickstarter fail. Coombrains are willing to pay for anything.
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>>21047313
As if anyone would trust them after the +18 shitshow that was the original trilogy.
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>>21047313
I will never back them again after the muv luv kickstarter. That was a complete clusterfuck. Not that I care but the mobile phone ports still aren't out after 7 years.
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>>21046448
she looks WAY better in the Muv Luv Total Eclipse anime
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>>21047369
that was the best version and the patches still work
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>>21047499
They did have to redraw all the sprites thanks to Miyata 'Trace On' Sou.
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Must purchase more A3 volks figures must get them all
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>>21047499
Soviet motherlands.
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>>21047546
>the patches still work
not if you own the actual kickstarter discs.
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A stuck-up bitch, an ugly nerd and a slut's daughter walk into a bar and the bartender asks "same as usual, class rep?"
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>>21049369
Alright, you got a chuckle out of me.
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>>21049369
fuck youuu
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>>21049369
Delet this
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post more Yui
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>>21049369
lmao
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>>21046448
>>21048859
Post more Cryska, please.
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>>21047369
All the H-scenes got back in which is all coomers really cared about, only the spergest of autists care about the suit nipples and the aspect raito.
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Don't post Yuuhi, please.
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>>21046677
Firstly, I think it sucks Avex won't take to heart what Kouki has to say for this series they are pumping so much money into just because they are more focused on gacha and NFTs. Second, if KimiNozo needs a Kickstarter, I would only be fine with it if there is actual potential of funding an 18+ patch. I don't know exactly what else Kouki wants to do with it aside from merch funding and misc. content, but I just want KimiNozo with the "latest edition" content included and hopefully 18+ content somehow able to be included. If he wants to make a new version that could better work with both all ages and 18+, I am somewhat skeptical, but also open to the idea at least. Third, KimiNozo at least here in America was fairly popular for several years after the Funimation release and persisted for a few years, but I doubt anyone remembers the anime and honestly I am shocked Funimation still has the license to stream and reprint the home release after all these years. Maybe it is more popular than I think, but that seems to be popularity from years ago and I wouldn't be surprised if many people forgot it. Also, them not keeping the "Rumbling Hearts" title is going to prevent them from even getting the fans of the anime who aren't familiar with the Japanese title, since many know it as Rumbling Hearts. Overall, I respect Kouki and wish he had more help with his projects especially since the visual novels are the main reason I care about this franchise and little else. I have little to no interest in the anime, NFTs, mikhail, immortals, etc, but am willing to support a Kickstarter if it helps KimiNozo.
>>21047030
I agree completely with this and has been my feelings for a while. Using the Kickstarter to jump start interest in KimiNozo and try to use that to help gain interest for other things especially an anime remake is probably the best course and surely way less expensive than the current Muv Luv anime. Most of the big popular seasonal anime are romance+drama.
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>>21047369
>>21047490
Most of the core issues with the OG Kickstarter were they did not predict how much people wanted the 18+ content and publishing hands kept changing around all the time messing with logistics with delivery of things. If they set out to do 18+ from the jump I don't think that will be an issue. The only issue I can see is if they try to work with another company for delivery of 18+ patches if they can't publish them under age or anchor.
>>21049719
Yeah, the suit nipples and aspect ratio are legit non-issues.
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>>21050300
Most (if not all) issues of KimiNozo kickstarter will appear if 18+ release is denied. I don't know how much Kouki knows about the coomer money power, but the lack of H is the thing that will kill the kickstarter, because this is the biggest concern for like half of everyone who's willing to pay.
I would only be fine with the remake being non-H IF they deliver the unedited Latest Edition first. This way they will please the coomrains and will also have the chance to propell the remake into the normiesphere.
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>>21049634
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>>21050354
Yeah, they need to decide and truly look at avenues for an 18+ release. That has ben the biggest concern many people have had regarding KimiNozo the moment it was officially announced. If Avex is unwilling to be open to the idea, I truly think KimiNozo will tank.

>I would only be fine with the remake being non-H IF they deliver the unedited Latest Edition first

Pretty sure this is atleast partially their intention of having Latest Edition then doing the remake later, but the "unedited" part is still up in the air primarily in regards to the H content. I got the impression Kouki may or may not want to make a brand new version of KimiNozo to potentially replace the Latest Edition version, but not the same as the planned remake.
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>>21050354
The big issue there is that they could not sell KimiNozo on Steam if it has any 18+ content. And where else would they sell it? The Epic games Store? JAST? Is there a Japan-specific digital games store that hosts 18+ content? There's little incentive to do an AA version of KimiNozo in Japan because they have access to the R18+ version of KimiNozo that already has all the content that would have to be cut if it was ever to be sold on Steam.
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>>21050682
>>21050684
The problem is not that they don't know how to sell H conent to Japan, that's not an issue. The problem is that they need it to be the same version, the same game which can run in both languages and be sold worldwide. That's where the real issue is, they aren't doing EN only. Otherwise it would be a non-issue, look how fast AliceSoft found a new marketplace after they got rejected by Steam.
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>>21050684
I wonder about that honestly, I don't understand why Steam is so retarded and autistic about 18+ content. They banned Taimanin but they'll keep every crappy Western or Chinese 18+ game that comes onto the store. Do they just hate Japanese hentai or something?
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I hope my cancer doesn't kill me and I live to see schwarzesmarken translated
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>>21050794
It'll be done in about a year. How do I know?
Trust me :)
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>>21050794
Don't die from keyaids anon this is a age's thread
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>>21050684
>>21050701
I just don't think it will be an issue if they offer an AA version of the game that can be played completely without any hints of the R18 content in the files or left in the AA version and offer the rest as a patch. If they make a new AA version then I think that will be a potential incentive. But I think the incentive in general is to make the games more accessible even for Japanese fans and newcomers. Also, even if it was EN-only, I just don't think Avex would bother at that point if it was banned from Steam since the other alternatives would be basically porn sites like JAST, MangaGamer or Denpasoft when they seem already wary of offering 18+ content or even patches. I could only see them willing to have patches available elsewhere or on porn sites like JAST and Denpasoft and not an 18+ version of the game itself. AliceSoft is a completely different situation even though they found great success on Steam, their games are much more sex focused and I am sure they knew the risks. Plus the first game was already selling really well on MangaGamer's own site. The main issue many publishers face with Steam is they get banned because even their AA versions sometimes get marked with the adult content flag and some publishers don't want it as it will block the game in some regions and hurt visibility, so if that happens I wonder if Avex and aNCHOR will still go ahead with it even with an AA version.
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>boot up extra
>"no data found creating, new saved data"
>freezes
>restart
>menus are fucked up
What is this?
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>>21050777
iirc, the stated reason is Valve wants to avoid getting slapped with CP charges from places that get butthurt about schoolgirls being sexualized, even if it's anime. And anime is popular enough to where it shows up on the radar for people who get mad about such things.
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>>21050936
Are you using an outdated +18 patch?
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>>21050940
I'm using the 20thBOX version from the OP.
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>>21050948
Are you on windows 10?
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>>21050958
Yeah. Nevermind though, I figured it out. Shortcut was sent to the wrong place.
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does anyone have the beta anime girls (specifically the soldier class one)
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>>21050896
Honestly if I was an Avex guy I would probably just tell Kouki to go fuck himself because the shit he is pulling at the moment is kind of fucking rude if you look at it from the perspective of some executive
>Oh, the gacha game you financed for 2 years is a complete disaster and fixing it is halting all other development projects completely? You have to negotiate with other companies to find a way out of this?
>Let me publicially talk about how I want to start another kickstarter to port my old game because it has become obvious you won't be capable of doing so for a very long time, possibly ever. Let me talk about how it is the very possible the VN scripts I wrote will never actually get released because of you. Look, you just need to give me permission and I will get you free money! Also you will totally give me permission for a 18+ version too, right? I will publish it myself so you're fine with it, right! Also I want to have a concert kuribayashi minami and maybe even jam project and all the other singers that were involved with the IP before you bought it. That's cool, right?
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>>21051305
the more he says the funnier it gets because the franchise is so completely untethered and out of control that they can't even be fucked to stop him or even be aware of it
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>kimi nozo: had nipples and sex and was very successful
>muv luv: had nipples and sex and was very successful
>strike frontier: had nipples and sex and was the longest lasting gachashit
>total eclipse anime: had nipples and was the most successful anime
>total eclipse game: didn't have nipples and basically killed the company
>sm anime and game: didn't have nipples and flopped
>tda: had nipples in the first episode and has been the most popular spinoff so far
why do developers keep thinking that making everything all ages will make it more successful when the opposite is almost always the case?
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>>21051305
I just want Kouki's plan to pull through.
Imagine being AVEX, wasting millions on some dumbass side projects that nobody wants, only for the former main guy who you just hire as a writer to release his old game again only for it to be a huge success unlike anything you released. Imagine the embarrassment.
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Just give me a Lise to headpat, I'm not asking for much.
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>>21051621
because Type-moon went all ages and made 9000 trillion dollars except FGO has nipples and a story where one of your characters gets body jacked and has sex with 300 random guys
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>>21052093
All jokes aside, Type-moon really dug a gold mine since Nasu had planner and manager in the form of Takeuchi. Plus the fact that TM really let other authors make countless spinoff of their titles, as much as i hate it, is really genius and it made the company survive yearly while spending time on the main series'. In a different universe, MuvLuv could have the same thing and we would get yearly muvluv content by emplying that same strategy. They could actually really do that given how expansive ML is lorewise.
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>>21052105
>Plus the fact that TM really let other authors make countless spinoff of their titles
They tried that with Schwarzesmarken except it didn't work anyway to the point that final volume of that SOL novel wasn't even released. Some people still believe for some reason that it will come out eventually, though.
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>>21050794
Don't be like that heart attack anon. You gotta pull through.
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Cryska looks like THIS?
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>>21052200
Wasn't that from the /a/ threads? What happened to him?
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>>21052105
Type-Moon got a very beneficial contract with Sony where Nasu is still in 100% control. Meanwhile Muv-Luv is sold out to Avex and Kouki can't do shit about it. It's no longer his franchise.
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>>21052093
Type-Moon ONLY was as successful as it was because of the unironically genius decision of releasing a gacha game before it was a trend. They were early at the party, quickly filled and empty market, and everyone else is left to pick up the leftovers, with a really small chance of success.
I guarantee you that if it was Muv-Luv which got a gacha game at the time instead of Fate and got Kouki writing the majority of the story, Muv-Luv would be just as popular and successful as Fate is now. Before FGO Fate was just your average VN based franchise with equally shit anime adaptation and low-budget spin-offs. But after FGO? Ho-ho.
It's success story is pure luck plus some smart business decisions.
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Any possible way to play these games on max? I have Wine
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>>21052523
f/go was a joke at launch and everyone made fun of how shit it looked compared to other gachashits like granblue fantasy. it only took off becase there were already a ton of fatefags from the zero and ubw animes. type moon's current success is pretty much entirely because they got a good deal with sony to fund several very high budget anime projects.
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I gotchu bro
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Even better than that.
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>>21052523
you clearly don't know what you're talking about. The reason TM was more popular than ML was due to having a relationship with Ufotable when they made the KnK movies which were very successful. That relationship helped them make extremely popular anime in Fate/Zero and F/SN UBW which sold well and set TM on the map. They generally have very good luck with anime adaptations with the DEEN F/SN anime being huge and selling very well. It doesn't matter what the quality of these anime are to you as they were very popular and got a new audience to care about Fate. They launched FGO while the UBW was airing and got a huge amount of people to play the game. F/SN also dealt with huge issues early on and it kept on for months before the game was better. Nasu says that people only stuck around due to the Fate brand being strong enough to keep people interested. Fate is just a more easy story to get people into over ML due to mecha not being as popular as it once was.
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>>21052395
Never seen him after that episode. I'd assume his disappointment on the anime killed him.
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>>21052717
Lise Love!
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I don't think mecha is honestly a big reason so many people don't get into Muv Luv. Everytime people talk about Muv Luv, TE or SM, people always talk up about the mecha aspect while downplaying Extra or KimiNozo being more character focused. While at the same time not really talking about the character moments, themes, drama and politics present in Unlimited, Alternative, TE and SM. Something like 86 which is very much focused on politics, drama, and mecha, has blown up because people put focus on the characters and story. People focusing on the mecha aspect so much about this franchise is why so many people get turned off. Not that it has mecha, but because so many people put more focus on that above everything else when trying to explain or introduce the series to newcomers or outsiders.
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>>21053281
it's more that the 86 brand is more appealing to anime watchers as they don't have to worry about the baggage that MLA has since it's a visual novel adaptation that wouldn't be able to properly adapt everything. It's also the general production quality of the show. It may just be that 86's newer story is more appealing to regular anime watchers while MLA's anime is more for it's loyal audience without getting many new viewers.
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>>21053285
>MLA's anime is more for it's loyal audience
if you mean this in the sense that its an attack on them then yes
>>21053281
to be entirely honest, i think it's just because most people are low attention span mouth-breathers that lose sleep over the concept of a piece of media that's 100 hours long and want something more digestible (ie. a (good) anime series)
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>>21053302
I mean there was excitement for the MLA anime from the loyal Japanese audience. People even bought it so there must be a fanbase there that will buy anything Muv-Luv.
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>>21053285
normies realy don't care about what is the anime adaptation of, it may as well adapt a fucking stage performance because as long as the anime is good stand alone it's all that matters.
for some reason avex execs really want to push the mecha aspect with having all the promotion being focused on "whoa cool robots" instead of "whoa deep characters", and basically downplaying the story to the point of only adapting the "cool" part of it.
if Muv_-uv was adapted with a fairly big budget and good direction, starting with Extra, normies would easily get into it. we have a succesful romcom anime each season. imagine an extra anime which ends on a good unlimited hook? people would eat that shit up, and won't be put off when the mecha part starts since they already care about the characters at that point. and some small part of the audience which really liked the anime would move on to reading the VN like it happened with Fate and S;G for example
why won't avex realise it is a mystery, I just hope that Kouki kiminozo thing gets greenlit becomes a huge hit at least
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>>21053281
people didn't get into mub rub because the game requires a lot of patience to get through and the animes all sucked. compared to fate that had multiple popular animes as gateways for new fans and even if people make fun of nasu's writing the first action scene with saber comes hours before any kind of mech action in mub rub.
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>>21053285
I will not deny MLA's anime does a poor job bringing people in. Aside from production quality, despite what they tried to do, I still feel skipping Extra was a huge mistake and I feel they should've used the anime to tell a completely original story. Most people who got into 86's anime have no previous knowledge of the source material based on general discussions I have seen. I just think the community at general does a bad job trying to get others interested such as putting down Extra when that would actually appeal to many people along with other Extraverse titles.
>>21053302
>>21053318
The official English release of the Muv Luv trilogy showed people who don't know much about Muv Luv were willing to give it a shot even those who rarely read VNs if ever. The anime is trash so they can't rely on it to expose more people like what happened with Umineko and Steins;Gate official VN releases. Which is why I think they need to get KimiNozo translated and remake the anime as it may be more accessible, more character and drama focused and would work better as an anime if they can't do the whole ML trilogy. Also, a huge thing that helped Muv Luv's official English releases was the Vita ports. They need to focus on getting all the translated VNs onto Switch and PS4 as I don't think they will get the huge boost they expect just from mobile ports.
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>>21053317
you are deluded if you think that the cretins watching anime like kaguya and uzaki are the same audience as mub rub. they focus on the robots because that's what everyone wants from the series. even when the game was first translated I went through the entire thing confused about where the robots were because all I knew about the series then was that it was mecha with a JAM project song and a shocking guro scene.
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>>21053333
>They need to focus on getting all the translated VNs onto Switch and PS4 as I don't think they will get the huge boost they expect just from mobile ports.
they are kinda doing that with the new engine being multiplatform focused. mobile trilogy port that surfaced was on it
no matter how people here hate the engine as long as the normies it it up it's all that matters, and they will since there's no way it won't work on console. really by the time when the real normalfag push happens the console ports should already be a thing so people flock to them
>>21053337
>you are deluded if you think that the cretins watching anime like kaguya and uzaki are the same audience as mub rub
no matter how much you want to think that muv-luv is known for robots, the reality is that muv-luv is not known at all. the same people which liked seasonal low effort rom coms will like extra anime because it's the same type of fun, entertaining enough for the normies if you bring in the modern art and maybe move the setting to our time by making it 2021 instead of 2001. why WON'T they eat it up? because someone somewhere watched TE anime 10 years ago? get real
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>>21053343
The new engine has issues even on mobile from what I played of Extra. They need to rework it and honestly they should've put in more effort to have alternative UI design for PC, and mobile.
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>>21053343
I agree, a soulful extra adaptation would be the easiest way to draw in a crowd. I'm sure most would know the twist if they're watching but I think extra is good enough to stand on it's own. Could have been done in 12 episodes if they were that desperate to move on to betaverse.
>>21053333
a kiminozo remake succeeding would restore my hopes of ever getting an extra anime. honestly, if anything, i'd rather get an extra anime than alternative because i don't think there's any way that an alternative adaptation could live up to the vn for me.
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>>21053364
the mobile port isn't even out to public, right? let's see how it looks when it actually releases
>>21053365
exactly, however I would argue that most won't know the twist unless some dipshit anituber spoils them on it. you'll be surprised how unknown muv-luv really is, the only people at this point who know the twist are either mecha fans who just want to see robots (a minority) or VN enthusiasts who care about the medium to the point of having a VNDB account (also a minority). the major public in this day and age doesn't know or care, and MLA anime wasn't a hit to the point that most ignored it without giving it a second glance. hell, the anitubers ignored it too, and don't get me wrong, I hate YT faggots but they are a good indication of where the normie attention is each season
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>>21053312
>People even bought it
it sold 1.8k copies
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>the mobile port isn't even out to public, right?
there was a closed beta release for kickstarter backers, it was so terrible they haven't talked about it since. The original public release date they had planned for it was 8 months ago.
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>>21053380
Proof the engine is garbage and they need to do a massive overhaul
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>>21053343
pretty much every english speaking mub rub fan's introduction to the series went exactly like this:

>hey check out this muv luv series it has awesome robots
>ok cool how do I start
>play this game
>wtf is this lacrosse shit I thought you said there would be robots <-people get filtered here
>woah cool finally robots I love meiya
>hey check out this muv luv series it has awesome robots
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>>21053393
my introduction was
>hey read this cool date sim it gets better in the second part trust me bro
>oh alright I like date sims
>yo wtf robots? cool
>hey read this cool date sim it gets better in the second part trust me bro

why won't the anime work like this? people like silly harem rom coms, this is a fact you simply cannot argue against, in the VN format it's a heavy time investment, but in the anime format 12 ep trashy ecchi show is a post work couch relaxation routine for many
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I don't want Muv-Luv to be normie popular I just want it to be successful enough to churn out more content
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>>21053393
I went into it knowing that at some point there was aliens but I enjoyed Extra a lot and people shilling the series love to downplay it.
>>21053414
It absolutely would work. Most people can't be fucked to check out the source material of seasonal shows so the surprise would be preserved for the most part or at the very least people would be aware of aliens at some point.
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>>21053414
the first problem is that mub rub is not a very good romcom. the second problem is that even if you do rope in the normalfag romcom audience how many of them are going to stick around when the series suddenly turns into serious business mecha drama?

type moon/aniplex choosing to animate fate/zero first even though the novel was written with the intention of readers already having played the game was smart. it had maximum normalfag appeal with adult characters and an author that already had meme status. most people who hadn't already played the game only knew fate as "that series where mythological characters fight each other and king arthur is a girl" and fate/zero gave them exactly that. the closest mub rub has for a gateway like that was total eclipse, but they fucked it up by giving it a tiny budget and having the game production implode while it was airing.
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>>21053535
>the first problem is that mub rub is not a very good romcom
that's, like, your opinion, man
>the second problem is that even if you do rope in the normalfag romcom audience how many of them are going to stick around when the series suddenly turns into serious business mecha drama?
kiminozo and kimiita fans stuck around back in 2003, why won't normies who sat through a 12 ep anime not do so? your logic makes no sense
the rest of your comment is again jerks around this "robots will totally sell now gaize" which is plain untrue, it's a niche genre now. if Shin Mazinger Z flopped, the rest well be a moderate success AT BEST, so trying to appeal to /m/en is pointless in this day and age unless your core audience is already there and will definitely be watching, like with Gundam
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>>21053545
kiminozo only came out 2 years before muv luv and the anime aired the same year. it also wasn't just a rom com and had tons of soap opera drama. there is also a good reason that extra and unlimited came on the same disc. even if people bought muv luv because they wanted more high school drama, it would be unlikely for them to just ignore unlimited since it was part of a game they already paid for. age had a clearly constructed pathway for fans of their existing work to funnel into their new franchise.

the situation now is completely different. modern anime fans have either never heard of kimi nozo or know it as "that series that muv luv was based on." keeping an audience across two seasons of anime is entirely different from getting them to play the second half of a game. also if you are so convinced that normalfags would like extra why aren't they buying the game for it? in reality there are plenty of actual rom com games for them to buy instead and anyone playing muv luv is doing it for the robots.
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>>21053607
>the situation now is completely different. modern anime fans have either never heard of kimi nozo or know it as "that series that muv luv was based on."
good thing that Kouki is trying to bring kiminozo back with an anime remake eh?
>also if you are so convinced that normalfags would like extra why aren't they buying the game for it?
read my previous reply
>in the VN format it's a heavy time investment, but in the anime format 12 ep trashy ecchi show is a post work couch relaxation routine for many
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>>21053633
even if you only consider people willing to play vns there are still tons of rom com games that people are choosing to play instead of muv luv. expecting people to not think of muv luv as a mecha series is like expecting people to not know you play as raiden in mgs2. it was a trick that only worked at the time it first came out.
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>>21053656
muv-luv never reached popculture like MGS this comparison makes no sense
face it, most people don't know about it. nobody knows the twist because they never heard of the series in the first place. this is just the reality
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>>21053662
man all you have to do is look up muv luv on mal or ann and it will show you a bunch of series with giant robots. do you really think that jewtube celebs wouldn't mention the series background if they were shilling a hypothetical extra anime? to not get spoiled you would have to just blindly click on the show on a streaming site without reading any reviews or talking to other fans or even reading the comments.
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>>21053686
>to not get spoiled you would have to just blindly click on the show on a streaming site without reading any reviews or talking to other fans or even reading the comments.
and that's exactly what 80% of normalfags do
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I seriously think some of you live in a bubble where you think everyone views or should view Muv Luv purely as a mecha series and already knows what to expect out of Muv Luv.
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>>21053751
I think it's just one guy, other anons understand the reality of the situation
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>>21053751
literally every entry in the series except for half of one game has been mecha. trying to argue that muv luv is not a mecha series is some kind of derangement.
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>>21053778
Holy shit take your meds, the argument wasn't if it's mecha series or not, it was if normalfags are aware of it or not. The fact is they are not and you're delusional if you think that they are, because this series is known either by people who are already mecha fans and we're looking for mecha specifically, or by VN fans who saw the ratings, but definitely not by people who watch seasonal anime.
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>>21053786
people might not know what muv luv is but the second they try to find out they're going to see that it's a mecha series. you might as well say that people won't know that infinite stratos is a battle harem or that initial d is about cars.
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>>21053792
I'm convinced that you're either trolling or incapable of reading so I won't reply anymore
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>>21053751
I'm not going to go that far but I think that it's pretty well-known by now that Muv-Luv has mecha in it, even before the anime came out and I used to google the series to see if I should get into it you'd see robots and stuff. That being said, I agree with other anons that you could easily get a casual rom-com fag audience to care about Muv-Luv Extra and the twist would work well since most people don't know what Muv-Luv is and most people aren't going to google it to find out like I did.

In general after reading this thread I'm more and more annoyed about the lack of an Extra adapt. I mean, it's basically free money. You could easily get a whole bunch of normalfags on board for the whole series, even if they don't like "robot stuff", because they'd be invested by the rom-com shit. Most of the people who say they don't like robot stuff will still watch like Code Geass and Eva and other shit like that, which to be fair is partially because they are just following along with popular trends, but also because they don't really have that huge of a bias against it, they probably just don't want to watch 300 episodes of Gundam.
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>>21053831
>I think that it's pretty well-known by now that Muv-Luv has mecha in it

This would imply most people know what Muv Luv even is and that most know how much mecha is in it when neither is the case at all.
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>>21053302
The anime has shit like completely lore accurate TSF formations and maneuvers, there's clearly some effort from some of the staff to throw the hardcore fans a bone.
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>>21053372
that's not good, but some anime in seasons sell even less than that that should sell more.
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>>21053792
I literally have friends who watched Schwarzesmarken and still don't know what muv luv is
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>>21053364
>They need to rework it
there is absolutely nothing good about this fucking engine
The big benefit of it was supposed to be making translation work easier but TE was literally delayed for months because shit was bugged. They fed Kouki some shit about how this engine is future-proof but people are already having tons of issues on current operating systems. All the game assets are compressed to shit because ???
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>>21054213
The benefit of it is that it can run on mobile devices. That's why they're using it. It's all compressed to hell so it can fit on a Japanese Smartphone.
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>>21054258
but they literally can't get any of the smartphone ports fucking released!
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What do you all think the chomp will look like in the anime
I bet its gonna suck and ruin everything that made the moment work
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>>21054295
No one said they were competent, Anon.
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>>21054333
I'm just watching it for the TSF fights I don't care
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the only way the anime could redeem itself is if it gives us an agni-tier memeface during chomp (or at least do hayase and isumi justice)
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>>21054333
My dad works for the animation team I have a leaked clip of the scene right here
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>>21053317
They should have branded it as an isekai and adapt to make it similar to re:zero (a japanese normie dropped in a dangerous world).

But selling NFTs was more important.
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>>21054960
the most marketing the anime got was Kouki feeding the trolls by going on a rant where he justified the streaming rights being fuji online exclusive because they paid a lot of money for the production of the anime, only for the actual right holders to add more streaming services in response to the backlash.
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>>21054960
If they were going to jump to alternative they should have have done some kind of bastardization of unlimited and alternative so that normgroids aren't confused over references to a timeline and invents they didn't even see.
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>>21046448
>using the name field instead of the subject field
Absolute blithering idiot of an OP.
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Why do you guys think they didn't include an Akane route in the original Muv-Luv trilogy?
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>>21055552
Because she still has feelings for Takayuki
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>>21055553
Takayuki is literally dead you brainlet.
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>>21055556
"Trilogy" includes Extra, dipshit.
Takeru doesn't meet her in Unlimited and Alterntative is locked on Sumika.
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>>21055561
So? You act like there is some kind of barrier preventing the writers from including her in Unlimited. There is absolutely no reason why she couldn't have been a part of the group, but knowing what idiots like yourself are like, you'll no doubt have an excuse prepared.
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>>21055568
Why the fuck are you so hostile? Go drink and have a nap, will ya?
Muv-Luv is a new game with new heroines. Recycling the same characters in the heroine roles from game to game would be lazy. If you want to see Akane -- play KimiNozo.
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new fanfic. Who dis?
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>>21055587
It's a shame that's a one-shot, as a version of TE with Yamashiro as the head of the XF-J Program is a brilliant idea for a fanfic story.
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>>21055623
I don't know what she would actually do differently other than make more cranky faces than Yui.
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>>21055637
She's got quite a different approach to Yui. Her pride coming from simply being the best at what she does, motivated by her revenge over those who wronged her because of her family name, is very similar to Yuuya's own motivations in being the best test pilot he can be. I can see Yuuya seeing a lot more of himself in Yamashiro and the two having a different dynamic than Yuuya and Yui did.
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Do people here who have bothered to read or MTL Total Eclipse and Teito Moyu really think Teito Moyu is the best part? I've seen the sentiment thrown around a lot so I'm just wondering why.
I liked Total Eclipse quite a lot overall, though I think it had a few problems especially closer to the end. Teito Moyu, I obviously haven't read but I started the anime and saw that version. Obviously I won't judge the VN version on what I saw in the anime, so that's why I'm asking, but Teito Moyu has been the shittiest part of the anime so far and it lead me to wanting to drop the series. In fact, I only picked the anime back up after reading the VN.
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>>21055773
Teito Moyu is easily one of the best spinoff stories, up there with Confessions in terms of storytelling. It adds a lot of detail to Yui's backstory and the situation around the IRG and its members, what happened to Japan when the BETA invaded, and seems to have set up a whole bunch of stuff that other stories and authors would use. (Luxin must have been inspired by it for the later TDA entries, while Haruko Maniax is tied to Teito Moyu through Instructor Sanada's children.)
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>>21055801
I'm not sure that inspires much confidence in me, personally, because I didn't like Confessions much either. I felt like it dragged and the new characters weren't interesting at all, only thing I liked was Marimo going full R. Lee Ermey as their drill sarge.
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>>21055773
Main story Total Eclipse: Poorly plotted Gundam Sentinel homage that was written wildly unevenly because it was only supposed to be a couple of books to advertise some Revoltechs, but the books got insanely popular or something, so they tried to add an expansive "epic" plot for it. Where a bunch of bro-y generic action dudes nobody gives a shit about who are never really *vulnerable* in any way fight holographic bugs and Russians in the middle of nowhere. Culminating in a final “ultimate testbed” TSF unit that doesn't even fit in any later TSF genealogies because it's actually some other unit with a new Japanese-style head tossed on, and they end up reverting the previous phase testbed for the mass production design anyway, because nothing in the plot matters. The writers had to invent a new wacked out Super Saiyan Flying Multi-Laser BETA class in the last 20 minutes that goes against the whole idea of “BETA don’t shoot at each other” and has never been mentioned any other material (despite us being led to believe this thing was firing at Takeru’s Susanoo during the final mission of the original game) to create the illusion anything in this mess is important.

Teito Moyu: A loss of innocence story with characters who are truly in a helpless situation despite them just wanting to save their home, leading into a military disaster that completely shapes the tone and worldbuilding of all future ML games. And it’s also actually focused as a story because it was always scripted out as a stand alone-ish thing.

Now, if you want talk about TM vs. TE just in the context of the anime, it's even worse. TM is basically the two-part pilot to a completely different (much more interesting) show, and the rest of the TE is just... that. But that's a whole other thing to argue about.
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>>21055871
How the hell is TE a Gundam Sentinel homage? It's more like a Top Gun homage than anything, literally what does it have in common with Sentinel aside from "they pilot experimental mecha"?
I firmly disagree with your assessment of TE, I think the cast actually had way more interesting characters than the original and I was more invested in their wellbeing. Not that I think Alternative or whatever is bad, and I like all of the Extra heroines to varying degrees, but at the end of the day they were designed as a parody of harem tropes and they all end up taking a backseat to Meiya and Sumika anyway. In comparison, the TE cast feels much less generic and their stories are more diverse and interesting. Outside of the cast, I think it did a great job of worldbuilding and showing the political situation that the world is in. I was fascinated by all of that stuff and thoroughly enjoyed it. The Laser Fort-class was a bit much though, I'll agree there, but that final battle was really cool outside of that.

>A loss of innocence story with characters who are truly in a helpless situation despite them just wanting to save their home, leading into a military disaster that completely shapes the tone and worldbuilding of all future ML games. And it’s also actually focused as a story because it was always scripted out as a stand alone-ish thing.
Isn't this literally just what the main trilogy is? What's unique about TM? You get even less time to know the girls before they get ripped apart by BETA?
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>>21055896
You do realize the main timeline MLA grils would have gotten ripped apart just as quickly as the TM grils if it weren't for super kewl fanfic-hopping omnipresent harem badass Takeru being there, right?

Like, that's the entire point of Takeru.
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>>21055959
Uh, yeah? Where did I deny that? I was saying that the main trilogy is documenting Takeru's loss of innocence, and the main characters are also in a truly hopeless situation who are desperately wanting to fight to save their home, leading to military disasters like the 12/5 coup. Maybe Teito Moyu was pretty influential to other Muv-Luv side stories, I wouldn't know because I haven't read it, but I would argue that the themes you (or that other anon) mentioned are basically the foundation of the trilogy. Maybe that's why people enjoy Teito Moyu, because it's consistent with the original games, but I personally think that doing something different is more interesting and compelling in every case.
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>>21055991
Happy birthday to my lovely wife Marimo!
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>>21050794
You have to pull through anon
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>>21055991
She gives nice head.
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>>21055991
I love this seaweed
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>>21056006
This anon knows
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>>21055773
the anime version of TM is not the same as the game version and I fucking hate the fact that people are consuming it in mass as a replacement because the devs and translation team are incompetent.
the VN version added
>extended scenes
>inner monologue
>flashbacks
>new scenes/mini-arcs involving the main girls
>entirely rewritten dialogue
>many, many scenes for the supporting characters such as the teachers
>infodumps out the ass for literally everything such as the suits, state of infrastructure, drugs
>scenes for our navy boys
7 minutes into the anime is something like 2 hours into the VN because they added an entire training arc before they are allowed to pilot TSFs
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>>21055991
お誕生日おめでとう、まりもちゃん
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>>21053281
I just stopped coping years ago and accepted the fact that mechas are near dead in this current year. In my opinion, the anime (as well as the future ML titles) should embrace the military side of the story and enhance it further to appeal more on the wider audience. 86 didnt became popular because of the spiderbots, it became popular because the characters are soldier that can die at any episodes.
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>>21056168
Exactly man. I dont really know why TE was a flop when it was really decent and bit good. Do people not like the artstyle or the story? Im really curious.
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>hot springs scene in TE was anime original
I am seething
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>>21055483
(samefag here)

Going directly in alternative is was a dumb idea from the beggining, starting with Unlimited would have been a better choice : More secure, more easy to catch newcomers and if it success then they could continue with alternative.

I mean something like 1 or 2 episodes in the extra verse to show the characters in OTL (they don't need to show a lot) and then takeru wakes up in the BETAverse, discover the damaged TSF, walk around his city etc..

ML and Re:Zero have many things in common : Both are about a normal japanese boy dropped in a parralel world dealing with conspiracies and political intrigues where they can die very quickly if they make the wrong choice, wars, waifus, timeloop and cliffhangers.
With the end of unlimited the normies would have wanted more, like R:Z at the end of the first season.

And THEN, you can sell NFTs and gachagames.

Maybe it would work, maybe not, we will never know.
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>>21056320
TE wasn't a flop, the anime sold over 5k units when it launched and they produced merchandise out the ass for it including a pachinko machine that is still around and can be played. The fanbase give the VN shit because it was literally sold unfinished if you bought the console version on release, as in it literally had half-assed artwork they had to fix for the pc release. If you bought that shit on launch you had to wait an entire year for a patch that improves the game. Normies just wanted an S2 of the anime, not to buy a VN. Also very few fans actually wanted top gun: muv luv, they wanted alternative 2. Kouki has never been in denial about the fact that TE started as tiny bits of text accompanying fucking toys and that he just reworked it into an actual story. Like every aspect of TE was originally designed to sell toys, the only reason Yui's takemikazuchi is yellow is because that was a color they hadn't used yet. They decided on the color first and then came up with the lore about why it is yellow.
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>>21056781
>If you bought that shit on launch you had to wait an entire year for a patch that improves the game
Like the western release of Alternative? the 8 month delayed partial restoration patch.
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Just a reminder of how good things can be, and that beyond a certain point, we take them for granted. Still can't believe this happened, but am very glad it did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErXyMMZy5tk
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>>21050794
You need to limit your internet use so you won't catch another cancer from cancer-tier posters
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>>21053418
She has nipleless breasts for ass
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>>21046448
>Hardware
All I see is software with occasional wetware
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Is the compression really as bad as people say for TE remaster?
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depends on how damaged your ears are and how high quality your monitor is, but when it comes to the video files, yes.



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