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After mechs took a backseat in 2, it's nice that they are once again heavily featured in Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
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>>21038653
Nice, just put some spoiler tags if there’s anything important, not everybody here has played it yet
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>>21038653
Don't care, still can't pilot them. The franchise is dead to me unless we see more XBCX. A port or sequel gets announced and I will buy every single Xeno game I've skipped to show my support.
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>>21038682
apparently they want to do X2 if this one does well
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>>21038695
I'd like to see a source if that's true. Last I heard they were whining about how hard it would be to port after years of "we want to, we swear!"
Want want want is all well and good but if they're making too much money off the P5 crowd with these animu RPGs I can't imagine them bothering with a passion project.
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>>21038695
That is what every company says in relation to the niche black sheep favorite. I would never put too much credit it such a comment.
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>>21038749
Good, fuck whiny fags like >>21038682
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>>21039071
Seethe.
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>>21039071
Didn't come off as whining to me. You sure seem butthurt and whiny though.
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>>21038653
>they are once again heavily featured in Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
They’re not
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Does "heavily featured" mean they're standard gameplay mechanic like in X?
No?
Fuck off to /v/ then.
Every single JRPG has mechs in cut-scenes and as enemies/bosses. It's not mecha.
Xenoblade 3 is not mecha.
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Would you play a Xeno game if you dont pilot the mechs but TRANSFORM into them?
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>>21039650
Like in Dagwon? Sure.
But you don't transform into mechs in XB3, you transform into boring bland generic purple monsters, that could just be standard enemies from literally any other sci-fi jrpg. Fucking Dark Falz dudes from PSO2 look like this.
Fucking Legend of Dragoon and Breath of Fire 4 did henshin MUCH better back in the 90s.
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IF YOU'RE NOT GUNDAM, MAZINGER Z OR GETTER ROBO GET OFF MY BOARD!
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>>21039684
This is my favorite Gundam.
What's yours?
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>>21039687
I really wish the skells went more towards an armored core vibe, than the weird lanky transformer things they turned out to be
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>>21039684
WHOOOOAAAAAAH FINAL FANTASY 1 HAS A ROBOT IN IT THAT MEANS IT'S /M/ NOW WE NEED MORE FINAL FANTASY THREADS!!!!
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>>21039690
Fuck you asshole, see
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>>21039689
Eh, you mean Front Mission? Because 90% of Armored Core is lanky designs until ACV.
Plus Takayuki Yanase knocked the designs out of the park as far as something for everyone while keeping a common core. And the weighty movement and inertia when controlling Skells/dolls really sold the "mecha" feel. Weapon designs were on point too as far as the earth technology branches went.

Sub 5 meter mecha designs are just the best. Front Mission, Armored Core, Xenosaga, Xenoblade, Xenoblade X, all have just pandered to my love of compact robots.
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>>21039689
Some of them are sufficiently chonky
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>>21039721
Pretty sure those are the same person. And he's right btw.
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>>21038682
X is literally a developmental dead end of a game with nothing to warrant playing it beyond wow cool robot in a Monolith-crafted seamless open world. The whole thing would need a massive 2.0 overhaul to work, that or Monolith becomes cursed to forever be a service games dev to eternally slave away at the f2p MMO that X clearly wants to be.
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>>21039721
Are you retarded or just some third-worlder ESL that has never had sarcasm explained to him?
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>>21039933
>nothing to warrant playing it beyond wow cool robot in a Monolith-crafted seamless open world
And that's all I need.
There's literally nothing else filling the niche it filled. The mecha genre is 99% generic action/shooter games with robot skins slapped over the player instead of human ones, and the other 1% is GBO2 which is a shit game.
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interestingly enough the fusion between characters being on a beeping timer remind me more of ultraman.
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I get some people are bummed you don't pilot giant robots in 3, but the mecha boner is a raging stiff one this time around, and so far I don't think I've seen a recycled design for a Ferronis so the commitment to Every Colony A Unique Giant Robot is real and it's pretty damn cool.

I'm more excited that there's still Gromrice in Uraya, it's the dumbest thing but the rice paddies in 2 were one of those locales that stuck with me when playing that game. Sure the Mechonis Sword is just jutting out off in the distance, but Gromrice! It's Gromrice!!!
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they should get kazumi fujita on board for X2, i haven't seen him do anything recent
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>>21040469
There won't be an X2 lmfao
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>>21040228
>and the other 1% is GBO2 which is a shit game.
git gud
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>>21038653
If media has mecha in a prominent role it is /m/
saying Xenoblade is not /m/ despite one of the major antagonists being literal mecha is stupid autists splitting hair for no reason
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>>21040735
antagonist role can never be more prominent than protagonist role gameplay-wise, and gameplay is what matters in vidya
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>>21039684
funny thing is that I've painted muh Skells into their colors
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>>21040537
devs have said they wanna do XBCX2 after doing XC3
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>>21040811
you are proving anons point exactly by making an irrelevant argument
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>>21040723
>getting this defensive
I'm A+ on Ground and A- in Space. The game is shit. Everyone knows it no matter how much they play. Deal with it.
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>>21040735
Wolfenstein is mecha then.
Let's have wolfenstein general.
Fucking /v/ermin.
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>>21041129
If we have to keep pretending tokushit and mahoshitshows are /m/ then we might as well welcome things that are more /m/ than that.
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>>21041139
>mahoshitshows
this is the worst fucking offender
I dunno why mods are putting up with those, maybe because they're braindead waifufags themselves.
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>>21041004
We've been over this.
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>>21038749
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>>21041106
"his" argument is irrelevant, samefag
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>>21041144
Symphogear belongs to /a/ or /u/
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>Xenoblade thread
>Despite having threads in the past a couple of retards start doing another “is it /m/ debate
You make me sick
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>>21038695
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The continued fan support of X gives me hope.
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>>21051156
amdumias was really neat as a tribute to The O
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>>21046302
Wow almost as if you would just ignore shitposters everything would be perfectly fine.
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>>21046323
yo wait, is that Rean?
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>>21051156
Did Xenoblade 3 really cause people to go back and think more fondly of X?
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>>21046323
Is it a threesome if two of them are the same person?
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>>21051488
Strictly speaking they aren't the same person, they're very upfront about having disassociated into two distinct and independently acting entities with their own whims and desires.

I'll joke plenty about how Pyra is just big tiddy Id, but the dynamic with her and Mythra is probably a lot more healthy and cooperative than what Fei's fractured psyche was pulling off... well, except for the whole "is trying to kill herself" bit. How did Rex never pick up on that until the last second?
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>>21051420
Me personally? Yes.
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>>21051420
Nah that's just xfans being their usual selves.
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Now that the dust has settled who produced the best off spring?
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not mecha
fuck off to >>>/v/
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>>21052121
Nia produced Mio, so she's the best by default. Mio will also draw in Noah's genes and produce mother fucking Fei generations down the line, now in a world not fucked up by Z.
Pyra's son is likely Cammuravi who just needs to learn what sex is together with Ethel. He is among my favourite characters of 3.
Mythra's son is maybe Isurd, but it's never confirmed, in which case a laid back chill tactician is a funny contrast to his emotional tsundere mother.
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>>21052121
Probably the biggest chad next to Keyaru and Michio
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>>21053969
>mfw actual fuckfighting in a Nintendo game

It's great that 3 actively relishes in how being raised as clone trooper soldier kids with 10 year lifespans means the Keves and Agnus folk are absolute idiots when it comes to things normal people irl take for granted, because it's of no use to their designed purpose as soldiers in a forever war.
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>>21057854
What absolutely took me by surprise is how "human" the main party is
Noah and Mio are drawn towards each other from the start. They don't understand the concept of love and romance yet, but they literally can't stop chatting about everything, they get an absolutely wholesome reaction after observing an animal family and a bit later Mio starts consciously poking at him and forcing Noah to improvise because for all his maturity he never encountered flirt before.
Then you have that hilarious scene in the City where they see a kissing couple and look at each other in shock and awe.
The characterization and natural flow of the dialogues kinda reminded me about Amemiya's Gridmans which is ironic given how closely XB3 threads the toku territory. I had no idea Takahashi was capable of this and i assume he got some help from his wife again.
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>>21039689
How about you let ACs be ACs and other things be other things?
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>>21046302
Is it /m/ nonsense has been part of /m/ for over a decade at this point, you either learn to live with it or get a aneurysm.
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>>21039933
God imagine if Monolith made a Switch Genshin impact clone that had mecha, would be so based
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>>21046323
Why does Rex make coomers so mad? Jealousy?
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>>21052121
I thought this was fake/debunked.
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>>21058353
Shotas and prettyboys make coomers seethe because they shatter the hentai illusion and self-insert fantasy of ugly bastards getting the girl.
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>>21058354
No, it's real
And Mio, the female lead, is 99% Rex and Nia's daughter since Nia is cut off from confirming it literally one sentence away. Which means Rex will have grandkids a few years after the ending.
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>>21058447
>No, it's real
How the fuck did a second party Nintendo dev get away with making a poly family canon?
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>>21058482
XB3 itself is a giant "have sex and make kids" propaganda.
It may sound terrifying, but it's Franxx done right
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>>21058491
You say that, but I could just as easily argue it's about the worker uprising and seizing the means of production.
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>>21058482
This -is- the video game company with such IPs in their portfolio as
>war crime tactics (actually they have two brands that can be considered tactical war crime simulators!)
>property vandalism adventure
>advanced boardgame thuggery
>stylish police brutality character action rpg-lite
>cockfighting and animal husbandry for kids
>Kirby
>the great ape race wars
>10 or so games where you kinda end up genociding entire species of alien +/- blowing up a planet just for breathing on it too long
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>>21058692
>war crime simulators
which ones were that?
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>>21058709
Fire Emblem and Advance Wars.
FE is also sometimes a eugenics party too.
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>>21038653
>it's nice that they are once again heavily featured in Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
Why do you lie like this?
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>>21058491
>>21058508
wtf maybe I need to play these
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>>21058739
In my headcanon, the awakening army is a non-stop orgy where everyone fucks everyone else. Nobody knows who's the father of any of the kids because every man has had their way with every woman. None of the kids know & alternate timelines would make it difficult to determine whose the parents in this timeline either way. Inevitably, each child character has banged both their parents anyway.
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>>21052121
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Is polygamy good for raising the birth rate?
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>>21059142
They are not featured for the main team (but they have toku esque forms, Noah is literally Weltall with Eureka Seven surfing board while Lanz is Yaldabaoth doing Dempsey Roll) but a shit ton of enemies are mechs and the colonies are giant mobile fortresses
Lost numbers also make a huge focus on their own mecha battleships in every cutscene featuring them too, and Vandham's standoff against D was better animated than most modern mecha fights.
And there's also Machine Assassin.
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>>21059812
>also Machine Assassin.
Which is basically an AT with your very own Kayanon-voiced Rei clone inside.
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>>21059732
For war-torn Alrest that needs to be rebuilt after 2? Absolutely
Although it looks like Noah and Mio will do their part all by themselves because i have some weird vibes about what will happen once they meet as 10 years olds with memories of their love intact.
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>>21059846
Noah and Mio will absolutely be able to populate a small town on their own. At least this time they won't have the 10-year lifespan thing to worry about which is what made the kid they had on Aionios a little, uh, irresponsible.
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>>21059890
XB1
>childhood friends
>vanilla
XB2
>boy meets girls
>vanilla
>impregnation
XB3
>boy meets girl
>vanilla
>love stronger than death
>boy meets girl
>vanilla
>impregnation
>boy meets girl
>enemies to lovers
>boy meets girl
>childhood friends
>with impeding vanilla and impregnation
Takahashi is such a massive romancefag
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>>21060038
missing oneshota for 2 and (self)-NTR for 3
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>>21060038
Romance is only second to mecha for me so seeing Noah and Mio's relationship basically ending up as some kind of universal constant that the laws of the world bend over backwards to accommodate was nice.
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>>21060080
The eternal recurrence must remain wholesome at all cycles!
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>>21060287
I want them to become recurring characters in every Takahashi game from now on. Always with some diabetes sweet vanilla romance side quest.
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>>21060305
Considering every Xenogame has in some fashion the theme of eternal recurrence, I'm pretty sure Noah and Mio are just the most current iteration of just that very pattern, one going as far back as to Fei and Elly in Gears.
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>>21060038
Nah the black dude in glasses is 100% getting cucked and friendzoned.
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>>21038653
Is there any chance we could ever see a proper Xenogears remake or at least a port at this point?
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>>21060889
No. And this game re-uses a good chunk of Gears concepts.
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>>21060893
Takahashi only knows one story after all.
The man loves his eternal recurrence motifs.
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>>21059732
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>>21038656
The guy from 2 impregnates every girl from 2
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>>21061332
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The game really reminds me of Tales of Arise and Final Fantasy X. No frills romance and it's really the Hollywood entry in the series. At least Arise had a short prologue.

I just got to Chapter 6. The pacing is kind of wonky compared to 1 and 2. There's no big moment that really had me hooked until Chapter 5. I think the writing overall is a bit on the weaker side this time around. And Mio and Noah's romance isn't quite as endearing as Rex and the girls' was or Shulk and Fiora's. I've still got two chapters left, so I guess things could change. It's still a solid game and I'm overall pretty positive on it, but it's a bit weaker plot-wise compared to the other two main games in my opinion.

I can already tell the DLC is going to be ANOTHER prequel thing. Which'd be fine if they did a 50/50 split where it's half prequel/half epilogue. But, man. As cool as it'd be to see Swole Rex and Cyborg Shulk, I'd rather see where things are going rather than where they've been.
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>>21061496
>And Mio and Noah's romance isn't quite as endearing as Rex and the girls' was or Shulk and Fiora's.
I disagree. All their interactions were incredibly sweet and the reveal of just how deep their bond goes made for a heartwrenching sequence of events. I'm going to remember the "my Noah" scene for a very long time.
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>>21061496
Mio and Noah's romance is among the most nuanced relationships i've seen in the genre. Even their early casual interactions continuously bond them together and you can see Noah's silent care for her all the way since the WOTAH scene where he asked to take a break because he "felt tired" despite looking like a champ.
Then she realises that she wants to be closer and starts actively poking at him which throws him off (literally, when it happened for the first time) but he learns to deal with it.
Then they hit the City and the scene where they realise the nature of their bond is among the cutest in the game.
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>>21038653
Did we have a harem end here too?
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>>21064663
Absolutely not, Noah is completely and utterly loyal to Mio the entire way through. It drives home the XB2 harem end even further though since Rex is confirmed to have put his dick into Nia and it's implied that Mio might be her daughter.
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>>21058356
Good thing I self-insert as the former two
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Let's settle this once and for all:

Long or short, /m/?
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>>21065370
I prefer short personally but picked long anyway. Kind of like how I preferred Pyra (at least in the context of her relationship with Rex) in 2 but picked Mythra because it was more fitting. They're both very good though.
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>>21061496
THAT moment in Chapter 5 is what everyone brings up for good reason but honestly I really like Taion's resolution in chapter 3 and the moment in the OP as well. Also going to the City for the first time was a pretty beautiful moment for the kids in the party.
I think chapters 6 and the start of 7 are weaker in comparison but they stick the landing well. There's a lot of great stuff in the side content too, I don't remember the last time I was as invested in voiceless sidequest NPCs in an RPG.
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>>21038653
Be frank to me /m/, if i (really) liked Gears but (really) disliked Blade 2, would you recommend me this one?
I know very little of the game, only Harem king rex and that the game seems to be (another) retelling Xenogears but with Toku instead of robots.
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>>21065546
there's no crucifixion actually so it's bad
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Speaking of /m/ designs, the City has amazing tech.
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>>21065546
Probably not, if your dislike of 2 goes any further than the gacha stuff. It's incredibly unsubtle that 3 is Takahashi making a game around the idea of "WHAT IF XENOBLADE 1... BUT ALSO XENOBLADE 2... AT THE SAME TIME!?"
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>>21066325
yeah, honestly i wanted to think they brought on kow or some other oldfag as a guest designer but it's probably some regular who worked on the series before
do we know who worked on the mecha designs other than CHOCO?
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>BOTH castles are giant robots in disguise and the Cloud Keep is a fucking Pilder
I fucking love Takahashi
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>>21066953
Sometimes I feel like it's fair game to call Takahashi a hack.
At the same time, I love it when he does his thing.
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>>21066953
That makes it the second time Alrest-related tech has gone full Mazinger, after Rosa's activation sequence in 2, he clearly respects the classics
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>>21060038
>childhood friends
God if they don't actually follow up on the post credits the idea that Noah might have ended up in Alrest because Mio loves him THAT much is some of the biggest fanfic/fanart fuel ever.
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>>21069151
Considering that Queens likely didn't lose their memories because they are effectively Origin admins, Noah and Mio's reunion can be entirely on them working for a little gift for those who wanted to reunite the most.
Either way, i don't see any other way to interpret the last scene. He disappears and the sound that beckons him is a part of their tune Mio started using after they switched flutes, with his own joining her as he smiles and vanishes. Then you're given the last entry in Mio's journal which confirms that she is going to carry the memories of their love no matter what, even if Noah's shape is hazy in her mind.
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>>21069158
Oh I 100% agree, I just mean there's so many things you can do with the idea.
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>>21069177
Maybe it was Takahashi's intent all along. He wanted an ending that will provoke a lot of fan activity and will stay as a hot topic at least until the DLC despite having a very clear and particular direction to it.
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>>21058482
>How the fuck did a second party Nintendo dev get away with making a poly family canon?

Have you ever read Kirby lore? That shit would make Lovecraft proud.
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Am i right in assuming that only literal 10 years old kids by the time of Queen's birthday are the ones who keep reincarnating through the system because Z is a massive faggot?
Because this makes the entire setting way more fucked up since it's a generation that should've been born in a world after the conflicts of 1/2.
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>>21070458
It's not really confirmed either way, but it's definitely possible.
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>>21070458
>>21070472
Following up on this after thinking about it a bit more today, it'd be pretty thematically fitting if that were the case since there's a secondary but still pretty overt theme of the Moebius as a representation of an older elite class holding younger generations down because they're scared of change and losing their seat of power. Hence why so many Moebius are boomers and geezers including the very first one that's unmasked.
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>>21069191
It has that much sex with aliens?
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>>21070842
There's plenty of ways to read into it.
My favorite silly interpretation is that 3 is about Aionian Communism.
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>>21070892
Oh yeah, tankies could easily have a fun time with 3's narrative, no doubt.
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>>21070892
But the Queens are portrayed as positive figures.
Although Noah ends up fucking a daughter of one of them, so...
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>>21070936
>Although Noah ends up fucking a daughter of one of them
You know, that bloodline is going to be a crazy one in the restarted worlds. It's only missing Shulk's bloodline at this point.
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Considering the tech of 3 I feel like the DLC might actually bridge back to X. There's way too many similarities and actual answers to OOPS THAT MIRA for me to think they're not going back.
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>>21071379
If Cammuravi is indeed Pyra's son, he will likely begin an awesome battle autist bloodline with Ethel, too.
And if you think about it, sometime later Noah and Mio's bloodline will mix with Vandhams.
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>>21071550
Well that's one way to unfuck the lackluster story status of X I guess.
OR THEY COULD'VE MAYBE HAD A PLAN FOR X BEYOND BEING A GLORIFIED TECH DEMO YKNOW
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>Cammuravi
>Pyra's son
See I'm gonna go with the competing theory that Brighid is actually the allmother of nearly anyone with flamehead in this game... with the exception of Sena. Sena has Pyra's intense self loathing hidden behind a warm smile and outgoing personality.
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>>21071879
>And if you think about it, sometime later Noah and Mio's bloodline will mix with Vandhams.
It is a little sad though that Mio's Blade/Gormotti genes just die out right away if their one kid on Aionios was any indication. Mind you that could also just be Aionios being Aionios or the kid itself not really mattering so they didn't put much thought into his design.
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>>21072196
I actually take The City as a preview of the future: unnatural genes that were born as a result of the Klaus experiment eventually get weeded out leaving only humans and Architect's chosen people.
It would be a sad to lose on catgirls though, although Mio would still be absolutely gorgeous even as a full human.
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>>21072217
Yeah, perhaps in the "real" worlds things won't die out so fast but it's probably an inevitability.
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>>21072196
Agnian Blades seem to be heavily homogenized with more humanized anatomy to begin with (though they're still physically superior to Kevesi/XBC1 races), which isn't clear if that's because of how things are before people got pulled into purgatory or if it's specifically an Aionios thing since we never see the state of real world Alrest in the main game, yeah.
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>>21072196
It's just one kid, did you forget everything about Mendelian inheritance or something? You need more interfactional crossfucking, and a couple generations of it at that, before writing off cat ears as an endangered phenotype.
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>>21072247
If the theory about only 10 years old being pulled into a Spirit Circle is correct, then you don't even see actual Blades in the game beyond Nia, but human/blade hybrids born after Klaus pulled the plug on his experiment. You see a lot of people with ether lines and horns on Agnian sides and i assume it's half-breeds with unique powers (like Sena's strength, Cammuravi's control over fire and Mio's catlike agility).
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>>21072260
I thought everyone was a Flesh Eater in 3
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>>21072278
I don't think i've seen anyone but Mio having a Flesh Eater crystal and in her case the Blade genetics are already heavily diluted since her only distinct gimmick is her speed.
Technically everyone has an external Core Crystal thanks to Origin though.
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>>21072281
>I don't think i've seen anyone but Mio having a Flesh Eater crystal

Wait I thought any human with a core crystal embedded into them was by definition a Flesh Eater, like in the case of Zeke or Rex.
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>>21072302
Zeke and Rex are a Blade Eater. They are essentially on life support from their Blades. I don't think this is how you can describe Agnians with ether lines.
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Given how good Takahashi is at romance, i really want him to make a full fledged mecha title with some Eureka vibes to it.
XB3 already has an amazing atmosphere of a journey to it, in fact like 70% of the game is just a journey while the cast learns to live and move together while opening up to each other. Add a gundam esque flying vehicle hub to this formula, as well as real mechs, and you have an amazing title on your hands.
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>>21072048
I believe that there's more to X. Is that what you're saying? Either way they could go into the Ghosts or something with another Ark I guess.
>>21072260
Yeah I thought that since Klaus probably shut off the titan lifecycle from blades. He did get rid of the cloud ocean too no?
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>>21072327
Sounds kind of like X but with 3's incredible cast. Which is to say literally my perfect game because I love both X and 3 dearly.
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>>21072327
>XB3 already has an amazing atmosphere of a journey to it, in fact like 70% of the game is just a journey while the cast learns to live and move together while opening up to each other

To be fair, that's the Xenoblade template for the most part. A world spanning adventure, a bunch of goobers backpacking through it and getting to know each other and themselves, a technomagical bullshit sword that gives the protag root access to the world-that-is-also-a-computer and do all kinds of escalated privilege bullshit... about the only thing you don't have is consistent access to giant robots in a shameless throwback to Gears.

As a compsci, I still think it's the funniest shit ever that the special sword in every game is just admin privileges and root access.
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Is it okay to sexually reproduce with your sword?
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>>21065546
No

3 has the same kiddy cartoony feel as 2. Just go play xenosaga again.
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>>21072447
If they're also a cat, sure.
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>>21070458
Chris is klaus reincarnated
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>>21072461
>3
>kiddy cartoony
What kid cartoons have you been watching that deal with this degree of ephemeral memento mori bullshit?
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>>21038656
LOCAL MAN KILLS DESPAIR ELEMENTAL GOD WITH KINDNESS AND ACCEPTANCE.
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>>21065546
I haven't played any of the pre-Blade Xeno games, but I loved 1's story and hated 2's until chapter 6 or 7, and Torna was much better than the base game. (I don't feel like it's even worth talking about X because the plot is so clearly unfinished. It does have godlike art tho)

3 has pretty cliche start where it's clearly speedrunning through introductions of the factions to get the entire main cast together, but after it gets all that junk out of the way it really gets into a good groove. There's no stupid fucking tsundere slapping and MOE~~~ maid loli robots like in 2. 3 has probably the most likeable main cast out of them all.
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>>21072790
Are you seriously asking that on fucking /m/? Are you some retard tourist from /v/?

Xenoblade 3 is kiddy as fuck.
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>>21072790
not that guy but xenoblade 3 is basically a vandread knockoff, difference being vandread has people who actually die
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>>21073308
3's main cast is phenomenal. Only Sena feels like she didn't get quite enough development, and she's still solid. Eunie's the boss and the relationship that develops between her and Taion is endlessly entertaining.

I'm really happy with how all three ouroboros pairs work out. Noah and Mio are a classic romance. Eunie and Taion have a real fondness for each other that just about gets to them both realising how they feel before the end. Lanz and Sena get a bromance..
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>>21074764
It's a shame Sena's story is so heavily gated behind side content (especially Segiri's hero quest which really demonstrates her empathy as a person and growing to finally play a proper role model after always being a follower and failing to do so in areas like colony Gamma's students... which is also another piece of side content).

Counting the side stuff I think the only thing her character arc is missing is a big solo finale in the main story proper which it feels like pretty much everyone else in the main story gets, but her and Lanz being the first duo to break out of Z's interlink fetters and punch him out still felt pretty satisfying to me at least.

Either way the main cast is easily the highlight of this game and one of if not my single favorite RPG party as a whole, they really carry the heart of the game.
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>>21058482
>>21058356
>>21052121
>>21061332
>only 1 has brown hair
They got with somebody else lmao
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>>21074764
Knowing Taion no fucking way he didn't stick some contingency plan in that notebook.
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>>21075781
Since Noah and Mio seemingly got theirs already it would be nice if one of the other members of the group was the key to bringing everyone together again.
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>>21077444
The ending heavily reminded me about Evangelion 4.0's reboot (which is probably not a coincidence) and there Shinji did carry the DSS Choker through, so i wouldn't ditch the possibility some leftover items survived here as well.
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>>21077444
That, or Origin does its job right.
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>>21061332
Based Rex, I knew my boy would do me proud.
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>>21073308
Yknow, after returning to 2 for NG+ after a few years of letting it collect dust... I actually think the shonen anime bullshit is a nice palate cleanser after getting emotionally dickpunched repeatedly in 3.
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>>21059429
Abe, I thought you were gone.
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>>21038653
the best mech game is Xenosaga episode 1
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>>21084363
Are the Xenosaga games still worth playing? I know that the high level story stuff is meant to be interesting, but how everything else hold up?
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>>21085228
The first two games are very much jank, the third one is standard JRPG stuff.
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>>21052121
>>21075139
Best girl, Mythra, produced the best offspring, but with Shulk, not Rex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk9GUHY1cA8
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>The City is a mecha
>both castles are a mecha
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>they never combined into a single Ouroboros
>the Ouroboros themselves never got a third form despite Nia saying they're incomplete
One job Takahashi you motherfucker
Great game otherwise, the "robots" have never felt this fun to play in any of the other games bar maybe Xenosaga 3
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>>21092110
It did kind of feel like the early chapter 6 stuff was building up to Noah/Mio getting a super Ouroboros form but it was just for Noah's special thing instead.
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>>21091206
The free space on the Tetsuya Takahashi Xenogame bingo card is ALWAYS "giant robot."
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>>21092110
I just assumed that the proper ouroboros will only be possible in a post-credits world.
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>>21092288
Sure, the Sword of Origin is really cool and deals a gorillion damage but I wanted something more
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>>21038653
they aren't

why are you lying
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>>21083589
He lives in our hearts
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I want to punt Pulipuli into a different dimension oh my fucking god
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I think Noah's mecha arm is a bigger mystery than L7.
>becomes a source of buffs, debuffs and protection when he unzips
>literally stronger at it than Signifier
>they charge like Agnian class
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>>21098165
He probably only shifts his Blade to become a gauntlet so he can feed his compulsive iaido habit without unintentionally lopping his hand off.

Lucky Seven is some insane endgame bullshit though, why does it have multiple multi hit aoe attacks that can just randomly proc instant death on non-bosses? It's wild.
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>>21092110
>the massive mech that Origin transforms into flies into space and attempts to nuke everyone from Orbit
>in a cutscene the party finally resolves the setup about them being incomplete and combine into one massive Ouroboros
>final final final final boss battle is the complete Ouroboros being assisted by the Keves Castle, Agnus Castle and Gilgamesh versus Origin itself
>change between 6 movesets like you'd change between party members in normal fights or just have up and down in the d-pad cycle between them since you can't cancel the Ouroboros form for this fight anyway
>chain attack button is instead a finisher not unlike the Siren strikes in the Torna final boss
>sequence itself would later be replayable in the Challenge Arena
I don't give a fuck if this is yet another phase in what's already a massive final boss sequence and they'd need hours and hours of playtesting that they did not have given the game is straight up missing collectibles and some cooking recipes don't actually do anything, no one can convince me this wouldn't have been the coolest shit
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>>21098503
>spoiler text
You sure you didn't get fucked by a memleak? I've heard murmurs of a potential memory leak in the launch build, the usual suspect of long play sessions broken up only by sleeping the console rather than quitting the game process leading to things getting weird and unstable as you keep pressing on.

Look, the Xenojank had to manifest somewhere, yknow?
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>>21098562
I don't know what kind of memleak would make it so the gains from Manana's best recipe would be 0 or make it so Gogol Vuaga is straight up impossible to find
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>you can use L7 during chain attacks
this is ridiculous
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>>21098450
Holding off on using Lucky Seven very much only to steamroll through the last main story dungeon with it including AOE oneshoting multiple minibosses at once was so damn satisfying. Also thematically/narratively fitting.
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I literally cannot believe the game goes as far as pulling
>I am the alpha and the omega.
>The beginning and the end.
>The cucked and the cucker.
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So you can transform into big generic purple monster in combat.
But can you transform into it outside of combat, to traverse terrain like with mechs in X?
Or is it just a glorified summon from Final Fantasy?
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>>21101518
only in combat
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>>21101395
People love memeing about cucking, but really, it's far simpler and sadder. M still loves N even after everything he did, and that's why she used the only opportunity she had to give him a shock therapy about how far he has gone. And the only way to do it was by becoming a victim of his cruelty.

A far more hilarious thing is the fact Nia ships Noah and Mio even after seeing the depth of his cruelty. Although Noah IS Jin 2.0...
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>>21101684
It's just that as legit tragic as it is, it's also kinda funny the way N melts down over it and takes it as the most personal insult way beyond the actuality of what happened, because he's just that far gone in his own self-inflicted hell of regret and loathing that he can't not see it as him getting NTRd.

Also I've seen the occasional bit of fan art that really hams up how much it's N being the only one who feels any cuckoldry happened between him and Noah, everyone else pretty much lost as to what the fuck he's even on about.
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>>21101684
Mio managed to stay in love with Noah for over a THOUSAND years despite him spiraling down into madness as N. Girl is built different.
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>>21102246
There's some really sad family abuse subtext hidden behind all the sci-fi setpieces. N goes off the rails and turns into a family tyrant while the girl silently continues to love him despite all the awful shit he's doing despite his actions pushing her to suicide. Then N actually HURTS her when M switches with Mio, literally beats the shit out of her and sets up her execution. Yet she still loves him and just wishes him to finally wake up.
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>>21103275
3 has a lot going on about the inner shitbaggery that plagues the human condition.
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>>21103275
Their struggles really make the payoff of Noah and Mio finally getting a (hopefully) quiet life together after the post-credits a lot sweeter.
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>>21101518
We do at least get a boat in chapter 5, but yeah, Ouroboros forms are combat-only. Though there are a lot of robots everywhere else. (final boss cutscene spoiler)Even the Castles turn into robots, with the Agnus Castle being operated from the Cloudkeep docking into it Pilder-style!
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>>21038653
Yeah but are there any romance yet?
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>>21085228
Xenosaga 1 is jank in a way where its clearly trying to be taken seriously like Final Fantasy X was at the time and stumbling out the gate on gameplay but knocking it out the park with its cutscenes at least.

The english VAs were some great 90's anime vets and I'll give the game credit for that, its too bad they hardly kept any of them in 2 which leads to a very jarring transition.

Speaking of which, going from a more traditional animated art style to the quasi-realism was a terrible move on Monolith's part. It just makes the transition between sequels ever more awkward.
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>>21104539
The game has probably the best romance since Xenogears. I'd also compare it with Automata in many ways.
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>>21104539
yes, it's top tier
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God damn just give me a game where i can control these things and all the other city weaponry
You can't just introduce cool as fuck mecha battleships only to stop at a sea vessel.
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>>21113435
Agreed. I like the boat, but I want a mecha, and I want to fly.
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>>21051156
Shame Nintendo seems to forget about it
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>>21094242
He's not really lying, but it doesn't take much to have more mecha than 2. They had Myra's mech, the transforming Torna battleship, and that's pretty much?

Granted this game still doesn't off much in terms of Playable mecha, unless you count the Ouroboros transformations. But you still get quite a few in terms of enemies, and stuff in cut scenes.
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>>21104625
2 just looks really weird, shit's uncanny at times.
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>>21115605
All the mecha were locked up in the space station at the end of the world.

Ok more like a quarter of them. The rest went full gijinka and you now know them as the rare Blade roster. That's the fan theory I'm subscribing to, they're totally just personifications of what would be giant robots in another continuity.
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>>21115605
>unless you count the Ouroboros transformations
they require two people to pilot, are far bigger than the party members and can be rebuilt if damaged so I consider them as such
Granted, they're more Ultraman than hard mecha but still
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>>21115808
>Granted, they're more Ultraman than hard mecha but still
If counts for White Knight Chronicles, and Kuro Trails, I guess it counts here.

>>21038653
Shania's Monster Form is hot. Not going to lie.
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>Valdi is an innocent kid who treats his mechs as friends
>they apparently went berserk once and raped Alexandria's colony which is one of the strongest silver ranks in the game
>she is seething and fuming for years, thinks that he's some kind of a tactical mastermind and is scared shitless of working with him at first because she thinks she's walking into a trap
>by beating her he saved her colony from becoming gold rank and getting obliterated
>Agnian side has a shit ton of problems with their autonomous mechs too as they are prone to going berserk and not recognizing commands
>meanwhile City tech seems to be impeccable
heh
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>>21116794
City tech seems a little shabby though.
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>>21116794
Guernica's ship got taken down by Agnus tech and the only thing stopping the City from being easily demolished is the consuls not knowing where it is, which we see demonstrated not only in N's flashback but with what happens to Swordmarch and with Consul Shania.
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Someone more knowledgeable's got to explain this part of the ending to me; I thought the entire point of Origin's construction was that the worlds merging was going to obliterate anything and everything? Origin was supposed to be the "Noah's Ark" of sorts that rebooted everything and everyone once the cataclysm wrapped up? So why are the worlds separating again at the end of the game? I sort of assumed Noah and co.'s march towards a future and "restarting the clock" was going to involve basically revolving the obstacle in Moebius and effectively and deliberately, triggering the merging cataclysm and letting Origin do its job for the new world? What allowed the two worlds to peacefully separate and exist independently again?
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>>21124983
So essentially, the events of the game occur over the course of an infinitely stretched imperceptibly brief period of time; had the Endless Now not been enacted, Origin's two halves would've coupled together and immediately begin the work of mediating the reconstruction of the two universes as they proceed to annihilate one another.
The world of Aionios should never had existed, and yes this means the game has you destroying this world to finish the work of saving its parent realities, but by the end of things you should've cottoned on to how part of living life is being able to accept that it ends, and the finale of the game is applying that conclusion at the grandest scale possible
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>>21125066
I see. Most of that I did get but the implication was that Aionios was also a real with real events and time. But at the same time signs point it to that not being the case either? Was the Endless Now a sort of alternate, simulated dimension/reality triggered by the collective wishes of the "real world's" people inside of Origin or something? Because that's what I assumed formed the Moebius collective conscious in the first place (and by extension, Aionios).
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>>21125093
Gonna have to wait for Takahashi and pals to clear that one up, Xenogames can get wild with their reality fuckery.
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>>21125093
I took Aionios as a physical reality which exists within a heavily displaced, slowed down time - events that should only take a second globally are stretched for eternity. As you notice, annihilation events still exist. The world is still slowly crumbling. The team even says that they are not sure if anything will be left within several centuries of the time "inside". All this time is just a second of a real collision which exists with an assistance of Origin.
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This is a real nitpick here, but I was watching a Nipponese playthrough of the game, and the credits have all the romanized versions of the characters' original names. Would it really have been so hard to have a toggle for subtitles in the English version that replaces the localised ones with the originals, particularly for when you're playing with Japanese VO? Being forced to read the localised names, but hear the Japanese ones has always been a huge gripe I've had with localisations of Japanese games.
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>>21127344
it is an option they should have available, yeah
no reason why modern games that get localized names don't do it
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Crys is obviously a stand-in for Jesus Christ and Noah is obviously Prophet Noah.
Any other allusions within the main cast?
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>>21127344
As cute as it would be to have text that reflects the audio track selected, it's honestly additional work for not much gain. I mean, you'll earn a few thumbs up from those that appreciate the nuance between subtitle and dubtitle, but you know anything that sounds simple to implement in a game is almost certainly a clusterfuck in practice, to say nothing about the additional rounds of QA you'll have to book just to make sure changing audio doesn't cause text to shit itself for some unforeseen reason.
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>>21128947
It's something Yakuza LAD managed to do so I'm sure it's worth it enough for big games like Xenoblade.
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>>21128947
this wouldn't be an issue at all if they stopped changing names. but english localisation just can't help themselves. It's even funnier when Agnus is pretty blatantly supposed to be Japanese-inspired visually (which character names reflect in the original Japanese) as opposed to Keves. But in the localised version you've got all these European names running around. Ironically it's a problem they made for themselves and carried over from XB2's localisation
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>>21129316
I kinda understand it from a VA standpoint because the anglo VA is prone to butchering the average japanese name (see Persona 5)
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>>21129411
I'd rather they just do that, honestly
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>>21038653
Shiny swords
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>>21038653
Wait a minute xenoblade is about mechs? Holy shit ive had the first game since it came out and i never played it (because i wasnt into rpgs as much back then)
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>>21073308
I didnt even know they were part of the same series
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>the other four got swimsuits
>Lanz got bathing jocks
>Sena got a Symphogear
Can't believe the expansion pass went with the 15 TP lead. At least there's also Thirsty Mecha Ringo.
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>>21129411
The fact that every single person in the dub cast for every Persona 5 game says nearly every surname in the game wrong leads me to believe it's a voice director issue. It's not like the VA's have any real say over the script, every bizarre or outright stupid localization issue always seem to come down to dumbass localization teams or an autistic voice director.
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>Sena's ether lines go down to her legs
>has a prominent super strength
>Mio only has core crystal, Nia's other features are gone
>only inhertied Nia's agility
>Taion has a small core crystal but no other features
>it all seemingly went into TP
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>>21134323
I guess Mio inherited more of the Gormotti part of her mom's genes than the Blade Eater ones. Maybe some of her and Noah's kids will end up with more Blade Eater features but maybe they'll all end up like the one they had on Aionios and just be Homs (or Gormotti since the Doyle founder is implied to be the Vandham founder's sibling and she's Gormotti).
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Ino should have had a robot head instead of a human one.
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>>21128947

Eh, as much as I'd love to use the Japanese audio, the fact that it doesn't match the on-screen text at all is a big reason I can't use it. Especially with how colorful the XB3 localization was. It's not a dig at the actors, since a lot of them did great.
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>>21137988
Ino is an artificial blade so she literally looks like a more high tech Poppi
Speaking about her, is her name a reference to some flower i don't get?
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Off topic but kinda still on topic I just want to say I really like the Formula design. The model is really neat.
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>>21137988
Ino looks straight out of Blame! which I like a lot. The world needs more uncanny robot girl designs rather than just normal anime girls with vaguely mechanical cat ears.
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>>21138723
it really is, but I wish the Mastema got a model kit
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>>21128947
I'm not even fluent in Japanese but the English dub takes quite a few liberties with the JP script that changes the feel of a few different events in the game. Like one powerful scene in chapter five When Mio is being executed, in JP she says "Thank You, Noah" which feels far more heartfelt than the English "It's been fun" Then there is the insane amount of British slang which not only doesn't add anything, but actually goes over a lot of people's head unless you happen to actually be British. But I can handle slang because I'm sure there was slang in the JP script which didn't really translate into English, no, what bothers me most is playing the game again in JP and hearing words that aren't even part of the translation. I'm only on chapter 2 of my second playthrough but even with my limited knowledge of Japanese I can tell that the translators didn't really care about being accurate and just wanted to get "the feel" across.
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>>21138905
Where's her Holy Internet Baby?
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>>21134323
Mio's stronger than she looks as well. Remember that she was able to send Interlinked O+P flying with a suckerpunch
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>>21141631
That was honestly treated more like an emotional/funny moment. She never displays anything like that either prior or afterwards.
Either that or they are just more or less evenly matched with Noah who creates vacuum explosions just swinging his sword as a toddler with no power frames in one of the flashbacks.
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>>21113485
xcx
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>>21052121
>That little fuck from Xeno 3 is this much of a chad.
What the fuck.
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>>21052121
Honestly, I still don't really understand this move, other than just pure fanservice. The whole initial concept for XB2 was a juvenile "boy-meets-girl" story. Even the original game basically pushed Homura/Pyra specifically as the one and only main heroine and partner for Rex (despite Hikari/Mythra being an "option"). Pushing a harem end just sort of retroactively sours that story concept
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>>21052121
I feel like this was Takahashi giving the finger to all the prudes that complained about XC 2 being a harem anime of a game, and I love it.
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>>21143217
What part of I LOVE YOU ALL didn't you get?
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>>21143217
It was already soured by the time they put in the NG+ title screen with Nia joining Pyra/Mythra. The only weird thing about the picture to me is just the idea that all 3 had kids at around the same time, that part smells of them deciding that they wanted Mio to be Nia's kid from a very early stage but didn't want to leave the other 2 out.
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>>21143217
What is there not to understand?
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>>21143323
Honestly, I will take functional poly family over endless love triangle bullshit any day.
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>>21143790
They definitely did it because it would of been weird for Nia to only have a kid from Rex while Pyra/Mythra didn't get anything with their close ties to Rex. Especially, knowing that Pyra/Mythra aren't normal blades to begin with anyway so if Nia could had a kid then they should be able too as well. I think they just wanted to avoid that whole discussion of that picture would look if they didn't do that.
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Hey guys.
Hey
Hey guys
Wotah
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>>21148131
so that's what he meant by I NEED YOU, MIO
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>>21041139
>>21041144
Preach it
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Everybody gangsta til Origin turns into the motherfucking Dark Gundam.
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>>21152637
That was so fucking choice
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>>21152637
If you think about it, this was the most G Gundam thing Takahashi did since Gears themselves.
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>>21152637
The only part that sucked is that we didn't directly fight with Devil Origin
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>>21153512
that and mocap controlled ferronises like >>21038653

>>21153691
Agreed. Giant head zed was boring.
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>>21154204
If I were in charge I'd do this >>21098503
But even then, it was still by far the best final boss sequence in any Xeno game



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